Is DOOM 3 BFG Edition WORSE Than The Original?!

[@ofskittlez]

The fact that I remember being excited about Doom 3 coming out, and it now being described as a "classic game"...

[@DinnerForkTongue]

And while it was a benchmark program on launch date, it will now run in basically any computer.

[@som3body3]

It can even run on the Switch.

[@-pROvAK]

It runs on phone at 300+ fps with mods@@DinnerForkTongue

[@Wingman-69]

@@-pROvAK Does it eun on a pregnancy test, too?

[@fausthanos08]

​@@som3body3 of course it can, it ran on fhe original xbox

[@omarreviews3814]

20% comparing the 2 games 80% talking about the flash light

[@DinnerForkTongue]

80% of Doom 3 _is_ the flashlight, my boy.

[@kiillabytez]

Only p*ssies play with a permanent flashlight attatchment, because they're too scared to play without it. Don't get mad at me, because I'm only spitting facts.

[@silent_stalker3687]

Flash light = graphics, improvised weapon that adds to the game experience, a funny test this type of deal. Environmental as it forces you to choose between visual or shooting and using mussel flashes to guide your strobe light-like way. Seriously, scared shitless and start using guns as a flash light itself to avoid having to swap weapons just to experience 1 flash a second visual it was light a strobe lit battle arena. Nightmare fuel- see one thing jump at you- it misses and now is in the dark with you unable to see it or shoot it until you fire somewhere it is NOT first.

[@infamouscrispz]

but lets be real, if the technology they have is so advanced and cool. wouldn't having a flashlight strapped to your shoulder be more realistic than having to pull out a flashlight in the middle of a fight.

[@BrickQuake]

No

[@Xpt46]

Exactly

[@senorsnout4417]

Fr, Half-Life had this figured out in 1998. Just have it built in to the suit, and make it a toggle. And while the argument can be made that it's meant to be a horror game....its a god awful horror game. So just cut the losses and make the flashlight a toggle.

[@diddlenfiddle7311]

Realism kills game ideas. If I want realism, I'll go outside.

[@Chris-fv8kc]

Yes exactly cause in the cutscenes you can see the marines having shoulder lights

[@BrianBogiaBricky]

The original DOOM 3 is the best. For the original it being dark it makes it scarier. Did people forget that is a horror game?

[@dretchlord873]

Yah it was scary for the first few minuets then it just got annoying

[@thatzaliasguy]

*Correction:* Doom 3 originally released on Windows/Linux in 2004, and Xbox/MacOS in 2005 (Online Coop was also an official exclusive feature to the OG Xbox port. There are coop mods for the PC version and source ports). BFG Edfition is also entirely missing the weapon muzzle flash onto world textures, meaning weapons fired don't light up the darkness like the original did when having to juggle your flashlight, leading to some seriously intense gameplay and visual terror when fighting enemies in the dark. Having to quickly swap your torch for the SMG, and only being able to see a demon rushing at you from the limited light of your muzzle flash as you fired away was excellently stressful! Best way to play DOOM 3 original today is via the open-source port, *dhewm3* . Alternatively for those that for some reason _want_ to play BFG Edition today, the best way to play that now is via the open-source port *RBDoom3BFG* .

[@arminunruh452]

and texture hd pack!!

[@devostripes5964]

It's not like juggle between flashlight and guns is realistic or relevant, a futuristic marine stuck in a futuristic Martian base couldn't find a way to attach his fcking flashlight into his weapon or armor it sounds like some artificial trick to make the gameplay less boring and in the end it falls flat. PS : Best way to play BFG Edition is to use Doom3BFA which is a fork of RBDoom3, it has a lot more gameplay tweaks and bug fixes and it has the option to use the classic flashlight mode, for those who inexplicably find it better

[@gameragodzilla]

@@devostripes5964 Not really, the flashlight is there to force you to engage with the game's lighting and sound. Knowing exactly what each demon sounds like, where they're from, and using the glowing bits from their attacks or eyes to determine enemy locations.

[@gameragodzilla]

My suspicion for why they removed muzzle flash was their attempt at optimization. The BFG Edition was primarily designed for Xbox 360 and PS3, and those consoles are actually weaker than good PC hardware from 2004. Quake IV's 360 port ran like absolute ass. So in order to get a solid 60FPS on those consoles, a lot of stuff had to be stripped out or stripped down. You can see the same with Far Cry Classic (the PC Far Cry 1 port) on 360/PS3, where the graphics are actually around Medium for the PC version and there are even some random gates put in that weren't there before just to further slow you down and not have to load in new assets too quickly.

[@wyterabitt2149]

@@devostripes5964 Do explain the realism of demons on Mars, this should be interesting.

[@gabevasquez2599]

I always thought switching between flashlight and weapon was dumb.

[@LucidCoder]

Doom 3 *was* on consoles. It was on the original Xbox. And that was my preferred version, having played it on PC too. The Xbox maps were smaller due to memory limits, and this had you wandering aimlessly far less.

[@trevorcoyle517]

It’s on the game pass too

[@LucidCoder]

@@trevorcoyle517 I don't think they made the OG Xbox Doom 3 available digitally. I could be wrong, but you might need the original disc.

[@trevorcoyle517]

@@LucidCoder I see “Doom 3” in the game pass list. With a download option. Never downloaded it to confirm which version it is but it’s definitely there.

[@LucidCoder]

@@trevorcoyle517It's not the original from 2005. There is the 2019 remaster and the 2012 BFG edition on X360. I assume both newer versions have the full PC maps.

[@GalaxVerse]

I played only PC version including it's DLC I'm always PC guy never experienced consoles and I don't get the console logic

[@chaosapiant]

I've played both and, to be honest, I find both games fine. The differences are not as impactful as some would make it out to be. It's still a dark ass game either way. So I'm kind of ambivalent to which one is better.

[@Minnevan]

I think the ports problems are greatly over exaggerated

[@C0T0HA]

@@Minnevan this depends entirely on what you like or don't like about the first game. For those of us who marvel at the original's immaculate lighting and brooding atmosphere, BFG edition is a VERY noticeable downgrade.

[@gameragodzilla]

It depends on what you're used to. There are a lot of small differences that eventually add up, but they're only noticeable to people who played the original a lot. If you never played the original, or barely played it, then the differences probably aren't as noticeable nor significant. But as someone who played the original religiously, the differences are significant enough to be noticeable and bug me.

[@herzji]

@@C0T0HAits really not dude stop out and out lying. Ur just lying at this point lol stahp

[@C0T0HA]

​@@herzji which one is the lie? - that BFG adds extra lighting all over the game? - that BFG showers you with even more ammo than the original where nobody ever ran out of ammo? - that BFG mounted the flashlight on the shoulder? - that BFG removed the light from muzzle flashes affecting the environment? - that BFG's slightly improved textures still look worse than most visual mods for original Doom 3? Pick any

[@MlnscBoo]

I loved Doom 3. When it came out it had the best graphics seen so far bar none. Paired with it being dark and scary was so awesome.

[@Mr371312]

They Pegged graphical fidelity "doom 3 graphics" as highest rank, at least till crysis came out, in PC gaming magazines back then, for a reason.

[@DaRealKing303]

Having surround sound with good subwoofer was fckin bad-ass too, the shotgun was pretty beefy.

[@LudusAurea]

No it didn’t. Id tech 3 had terrible specular and bump mapping and the only thing it did well was lighting. Compared to half-life 2 the texture and geometry quality was awful. I suggest looking again. It wasn’t dark and scary either- Doom 3 was critically panned for good reason.

[@MlnscBoo]

@@LudusAurea Dude were talking about the game ON RELEASE. I love half life 2, but on the original xbox it was TRASH compared to doom 3. Fuck dude these were the days of CRT's and 75% of the us still didn't have internet. Like all my friends had all the different systems, when a ps2 game we all wanted to play came out everyone came to my house, when something came out on xbox we went to another friends house, and so on and so fourth. Seriously dude it sounds like you wanna be bumped by a map. Take that shit somewhere else

[@EduFirenze]

My PC ran it at 10fps when it came out. It was ultra demanding

[@UltimateDominion]

As someone who has played both Doom 3 Vanilla PC and Doom 3 BFG Edition quite extensively, I can confidently say I prefer the original vanilla version of Doom 3 on PC or original Xbox by far, there is alot of factors to the decision I made, I prefer the original lighting and shadows, aswell as the original handheld flashlight, I miss the original arcade cabinets alot in Doom 3 RoE, and I don't like how they nerfed the toxic sewers area in BFG Edition, I also think the footstep sounds are much better in the original, they feel better as Doomguy moves throughout the base. The increased ammo in BFG Edition honestly doesn't seem to really have any impact on the gameplay, so that doesn't really bug me, but one that that also really bothers me is they made BFG Edition easier by nerfing alot of the monster encounters, like the Trites swarming you in Alpha Labs Sector 4, or the three Imps that suddenly surprise you from a monster closest in Recycling Sector 2 when you remove the toxic gas to fight the Cherubs for the first time, I also don't like how they removed muzzle flashes for weapons in BFG Edition. I will always recommend Doom 3 vanilla PC with the Dhwem 3 source port if someone has a PC that is capable of playing it over the BFG Edition, and that hopefully going forward that if Nightdive can remaster this game, they allow plenty of options so people can pick and choose how they want to play Doom 3, that would be incredible.

[@TheViolenceArtist]

I haven't actually played the og version but I pretty much watched as my friend played through it back when we were kids, and that was quite terrifying as it was. I love the horror genre but I'm a nervous wreck when playing horror games 😂 the BFG Edition is excellent for me, even with more ammo and the different lighting system I'm still constantly on edge!

[@DinnerForkTongue]

You can play the original with Sikkmod. The small headlamp included in it is awesome at lighting _just_ what you need without ruining the scene with too much light; if you need more light in a wider angle, use the handheld flashlight.

[@cardsharpHS]

Keep your shirts on, everybody! Just add +set r_lightscale 2 +set r_overbright 1 to your launch options to enable vanilla DOOM 3 lighting in BFG Edition. It's nigh-on indiscernible to original DOOM 3 lighting. I recorded footage of both games and compared them side-by-side and in fact a couple of small details are *very slightly* brighter in the *original* DOOM 3 (in vanilla I noticed the floors are ever so slightly brighter and some downlights are slightly more intense in their centres). So now you just need to resist your urge to totally wuss out and toggle your flashlight on every verse end if you want it to play more like a horror experience... It doesn't fix the over abundant ammo problem but there are mods for BFG Edition that do exactly that. Ditto for the missing muzzle flash. Well, there are even BFG mods to get the original handheld flashlight also, but the lighting itself - the biggest gripe of the community - is dead simple to fix, as I explained. As an aside, vanilla Doom 3 might not necessarily be the answer anyway because these days something is up with the Steam version - it has no CD key listed and won't even launch for most people (me included) without using a source port (then it won't have a working Steam overlay). The GOG version does work though, and I had to use that one to compare the footage.

[@BMW-sd6nn]

Call me crazy but Doom 3 is my favorite. I started with 2016 aswell but man I just adore it. Visually, weapons, levels.

[@StrayEyeStudiosInc]

DOOM 2016 completely abandoned the feelings of disparity and hopelessness that every previous entries seemed to invoke so well. DOOM 3 is a Masterpiece. 2016 feels like a brainless shoot 'em up in comparison.

[@spideyfan1024]

@@StrayEyeStudiosInc both of yall are crazy wth

[@StrayEyeStudiosInc]

@spideyfan1024 we are probably just "old".

[@spideyfan1024]

@@StrayEyeStudiosInc never once said that, i have genuinely no idea how you pulled that out of your ass but aight

[@transformlifemusic]

i thought doom 2016 was so much better than eternal

[@aaronamour6101]

I still have yet to play the original Doom3 but am very much looking forward to it, especially beacuse the mechanic of seeing the enemy or fighting them is a very interesting idea to me. Enemies in the game intentionally have features that make them visible even in the darkest of areas, such as the imp's fireball or the Revenant's big, bright blue eyes. Gonna try it soon and am looking forward to it.

[@RhinoStompin]

Isolate yourself. Turn off all the lights. Put headphones on. Put diapers on.

[@aaronamour6101]

@@RhinoStompin Interesting advice. BFG edition didn't remotely scare me once but perhaps the original will.

[@RhinoStompin]

@@aaronamour6101 it's all about that fucking flashlight = no weapon!

[@Dr.PaiPai]

Can confirm. OG Doom 3 flashlight mechanic >>>>> Doom 3 BFG flashlight. The shoulder mounted flashlight ruined the horror aspect of doom 3. Like that one part where you have to guide that scientist through the part of the facility where there are no lights. You can just ditch the scientist because you can run around and shoot while using the flashlight when you can't do that in OG Doom 3.

[@AlexeiVoronin]

Eh, there are very few areas in the game where you really, really need the flashlight in order to see the enemy. So don't worry too much about it - you won't normally have to choose between seeing and shooting. In fact, I am pretty sure you can beat the whole game without using the flashlight even once. Also, don't forget that the flashlight can be used as a clubbing weapon (a feature completely missing in the BFG Edition). It does more damage than the fists ;)

[@jasonturek6671]

This argument is completely meaningless now. When you buy the game the game you get original and BFG. So just see which one works for you.

[@crystalwater505]

This.

[@michaelstutts4464]

Unless you’re playing on the Xbox 360.

[@eightcoins4401]

Unless you live in Germany. Steam only has the original Doom 3

[@DropkickNation]

​@@eightcoins4401No? 😂 It has both

[@ouroboroscartel8079]

On steam somehow it downloaded all of em but the OG just installed said ready to play n then got stuck with the same grey ass ‘installing’ screen so idk if it’s my pc or what but maybe doom 3 bfg just runs on it easier cos that installed n works properly, I do miss the OG vrsn but as long as it ain’t too different I don’t mind the bfg one (not that there’s much of a choice in my case, well I guess I can always pirate it 😂😂)

[@kodemasterx]

As someone who enjoyed both games I can tell you this, when Doom 3 came out some ppl were bitching about the game being too slow, having to switch your weapon for a flashlight kills the immersion etc etc, when D3 BFG came out, more bitching, is not as good as the OG, the flashlight is on your shoulders blah blah blah, again I enjoyed both versions but ppl will never be pleased.

[@senorsnout4417]

Because the game is trash and indecisive at its core. You enjoying it doesn't take away from the core issue that Doom 3 is an awful Doom game, and that fundamentally, the game is torn between wanting to be Doom, and wanting to be a horror game. But those two things are diametrically opposed, so it ultimately fails at both, and any push or pull in either direction just makes its commitment to the other side of the spectrum all the more glaring.

[@kodemasterx]

@@senorsnout4417 you sound like the ppl I described in my comment, the game is so bad that there’s still ppl modding it. I would rather play DOOM 3 instead of the trash that is being put out nowadays that’s for sure…

[@TheDutchGhost]

I really wish that Doom 3 had received some more expansion packs like Resurrection of Evil. This is why I am happy that fans have made Doom 3 Phobos even though some of its story seems rather disconnected with that of Doom 3's campaign. Like with Half Life 2's episodes I feel there was more to tell in the setting and maybe the game mechanics could be somewhat expanded. I am rather sad that we have not had any more story driven FPS like Half Life 2 or Doom 3 in ages as I loved these types of FPS games. There should also be the more action focused FPS games of course and the military style shooters, and now open world FPS types for its fans. But I just enjoy sci-fi shooters/action-adventure games a lot like the original Half Life, Star Trek Voyager Elite Force and its sequel, and Jedi Knight Outcast and Jedi Knight Academy that I am very sad that barely any of these games are made any more. I know I should give the System Shock remake some more attention but I really would like to see some games with new campaigns and not play a reboot of an old one, how welcome it is.

[@-pROvAK]

Wolfenstein The new Order and the Old blood were absolutely classic games

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Sad enough to have taken up a seat in the council of Ashes, a nice story-driven shooter ;-)

[@ProjectV6]

I'll never understand why iD just didn't give the players the option before you start the game to let them choose if they want to use the flashlight the way it was in the original.

[@Sniff738]

BFG edition is worse because it barely fixes D3's issues and adds new problems. QuitePotato made a really good video showcasing all the changes and why it's worse.

[@A_Pair_Of_Glasses]

I can't find the video you're talking about or the channel

[@Sniff738]

@@A_Pair_Of_Glasses The channel is called noisypumpkin4752.

[@xyzz8722]

The engine in BFG is actually far superior. Its almost Rage engine with D3 game code. Its mostly some gameplay decisions that ruin it

[@A_Pair_Of_Glasses]

@@Sniff738 thanks

[@dextervortexsungte5348]

bfg edition seems to works only windows 7

[@NerevarineKing]

It's weird because I don't remember having any issues with ammo in the original Doom 3

[@miguelm.a7462]

I had a lot of problems with ammo on the original doom, so avery bullet counts that give me more fear feeling when fitghitng enemies

[@What-sf5ey]

Yeah, I don't think this guy actually played the game?

[@alexkost70]

Sometimes I didn't have enough ammo and was forced to think through every step. it really adds to the atmosphere and fear

[@fourohsevenfishing]

you probably didnt play on veteran or ever try nightmare

[@YogiTheBearMan]

Is it because the chainsaw is unlimited?

[@Snufflegrunt]

Doom 3 at launch: people moan that they "can't see anything" Doom 3 BFG: people moan that they can see too much Pick one.

[@weplo1597]

I'd prefer game to have good colors and less brightness than washed out look. So Doom 3 2004 is better version for me and it's even better if you install Doom3HD Mod

[@Snufflegrunt]

@@weplo1597 There's about a thousand mods that go by that same generic name, but in my experience, most Doom 3 graphics mods just make everything ridiculously shiny. I quite enjoy the original aesthetic, which has quite a lot of contrast already, especially for the time.

[@weplo1597]

@@Snufflegrunt This mod isn't reshade or making everything shiny though. It remasters most of texture, keep same atmosphere, restores some of e3 content for weapons to make guns beefy, restores e3 helmet for character, It makes it better version than BFG since it has better textures, better models, better lighting and also keeps same dark brightness.

[@Snufflegrunt]

@@weplo1597 Can't find it on Google because of the generic name.

[@weplo1597]

@@Snufflegrunt It's name is "D3HDP" Doom 3 essential hd pack mod

[@mattuk1693]

In real life putting your gun away to hold a flash light would be suicide in any combat situation.

[@BrickQuake]

Having a combat vest that reads your mind to turn a flashlight on and off is kind of immersion breaking.

[@shadewolf0075]

@@BrickQuake I mean having a flashlight built into your armor makes sense and would be more practical

[@justalurker3489]

​@BrickQuake You know that IRL it's common to have lights on guns that use a pressure switch to turn it on and off? The idea that they couldn't improve on that when they have the tech to be on fucking Mars is silly.

[@joecool9739]

Doom 3 did that to create a hightened horror atmosphere

[@404waffles]

well in real life you dont fight demons that throw fireballs at you

[@4iss.22]

I like both versions but the original is still better The mounted flashlight doesn't ruin it for me and I always keep the brightness at the lowest setting possible when playing on console But once I go play it on my laptop I play the original all the way

[@SnareX]

Original Doom 3 in the dark with headphones on was crazy. I had to play it on Xbox cause my PC was too weak at the time

[@VicG0910]

I really liked the original Doom 3 back in the day. It was intended to be a survival horror shooter, taking a different direction compared to Doom 1 and 2. It was fresh and new. I appreciate that. But I talked to a lot of people back then and even up to today, who didn´t like the changes at all, because they expected a more "classic Doom" like experience. The BFG Edition changes the game in a way, to deliver exactly that. A more classic experience focused on action. In a way, they (ID / Bethesda) listended to what some / many old school Doom fans criticized about vanilla Doom 3. I can appreciate both games for what they are, though they are vastly different from each other.

[@azimech4989]

Me and one of my best friends have great memories about this game when it launched. Many of these include that escort mission with some random scientist that needs protection in a pitch black environment. Having to choose between the flashlight and the weapon was indeed part of the charm.

[@KesGaming]

Well, the BFG edition has achievements... BUT Doom 3 OG has 80+ mods. Decisions decisions...

[@dweller132]

Even though I still need to play Doom 3, I would say the original is better and that the BFG Edition would have been better with a few minor adjustments and scaling back on the major ones. Keep the darkness of the original and make the gun-mounted flashlight a thing you can find and upgrade to, if you choose to do so. Thankfully, you get both versions of the game when buying on Steam now, so PC players at least have the benefit of using either one with less cost.

[@alfredbuchon5456]

I play both, but you can mod the bfg edition to play it the way of the original. With that so, you can take advantage of the optimizations of the bfg edition and have some fun!!

[@killertruth186]

As of earlier this year on Steam, the FPS limit had changed from 60 and 120 to 240.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

Damn wish more devs improved their older games like this

[@captainthunderbolt7541]

I've always felt that Doom 3 abused spawning enemies behind you and immersion breaking monster closets. Also, the weapons felt like pea shooters.

[@-pROvAK]

Nah the weapons are strong and there is few enemies that spawn behind you

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Most enemies pop up in front of you or to the side. It's VERY rare for them to spawn behind you. And the guns were perfectly fine numbers-wise. It's the _firing sounds_ that made them feel weak and unsatisfying.

[@Magilla.Guerrilla]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

@@Magilla.Guerrilla And bad memory.

[@weplo1597]

@@DinnerForkTongue There is a mod called Doom3HD which you can also restore E3 weapon sounds, etc while remastering game. It's a good mod

[@ItsBrrrrente]

Doom 3 original with the zombies and some with their heads missing walking towards you in the dark was creepy with the hand held flash light, they’d have a better chance at getting close to you and it made me feel uncomfortable, hearing their slow footsteps in the dark it was perfect horror 6:41 I loved that. Now it’s shoulder mounted 😢 6:02

[@noisypumpkin4752]

There's so much cool features in the original versions of Doom 3 that are going to be missed by new players who have only played the BFG/new console releases. also having a hard time on running OG Doom 3 on your PC? get DHEWM3, a source port made to work with modern PCs that couldn't run Doom 3 well. I'll be honest, if the mounted flashlight was the only change (and maybe the new hq stereo sound effects) that the BFG Edition did and nothing else, then it would have made Doom 3 more fun, also since Carmack originally intended that but made it separate since it would cause some lags at the time. they shouldn't have removed a number of enemies including the cool new contents in Resurrection of Evil like the new arcade games and the Green Forest section in Hell.

[@Viravax-144]

The original Doom 3 is definitely my preferred version along with the excellent OG Xbox port (ID, please bring that back) But the Doom 3 VR (ps vr version) was amazing! Panic Button even put the flash light on all weapons in a way that works and still feels terrifying. BFG edition still is a nice game but definitely far from a recommendation when there are better options.

[@kornweed]

I still play the Original XBOX version to this day lol

[@the1ucidone]

Real chads only play Doom 3 on the Original Xbox.

[@davidthorson2036]

I agree with all your points. It would be nice if they gave you the option to switch to the original version. Using the flashlight to club zombies was fun and a good way to save ammo.

[@mravg79]

The GOG version contains both Original Doom 3 (with the DLC) and Doom BFG (including Doom and Doom II as part of BFG). So you get to choose and compare by yourself. Also currently Doom 3 GOG is included with October Prime Gaming (part of Amazon Prime subscription). EDIT: well this is mentioned in the video, so you can install both. The switch between might be hard as original did not had for example controller support on PC, and in general it is a completely different build.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

As is, my best alternative is the original with Sikkmod. You still have the handheld bonky flashlight, and a headlamp that lets you use any weapon but is very dim and with a narrow beam, so it doesn't invalidade the handheld one.

[@bliglum]

Yes, the OG Doom 3 flashlight limitation did heighten tension and fear factor... But it was undeniably 'videogamey', in that it was a nonsensical limitation to serve a mechanic. Like a knee-high gate in a Resident Evil game that you can't just hop over, no. You need to go find the key to the gate somewhere..

[@Juwce_86]

Thanks for this comparison, it's great with the history and such. Doom 3 was a game I originally played on the OG xbox. Using a 5.1 audio system and a massive (lol) 60cm TV it was the first game that truly gave me adrenalin surges. Especially in the later levels. Goddamn. These days if I want to relive that I play the switch port which unfortunately is the BFG edition.

[@mado-wh4jv]

Do you people are really saying "the og is better cause it is darker"? I get the atmosphere part but I still don't see it as reason enough for me to even try the original release.

[@torabora1159]

no its because the bfg edition cut out alot of enemy numbers and other good shit in both doom 3 and resurrection of evil other than the flashlight, making the games even more piss easier, the character models also look worse in the new versions.

[@mado-wh4jv]

@@torabora1159 I have noticed that Swam looks... Older, to say the least.

[@kvltizt]

⁠@@torabora1159They also up the amount of ammo you can carry in BFG. It isn’t horrible but I prefer OG Doom 3.

[@shaunhurley158]

I had the time of my life playing this on the original X Box. True classic, best version of Doom by far in my opinion. Sounds like the BFG version doesn't understand what makes it so great.

[@jorgebellidolavado6382]

The flashligth didnt add a terror element while moving. On the contrary.

[@Hellseeker1]

I remember playing the Tech Demo with the original Trent Reznor SFX, metal hits sounded so crisp and real and gibs and flesh impacts were so wet and juicy. They f'd up not working it out with Trent.

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Luckily these can all be added in through mods.

[@gameragodzilla]

The issue with Trent Reznor's work was simply that Doom 3 took way longer than they anticipated and a rock star gets paid rock star money, per the book documenting the development of Doom 3. They simply couldn't afford him working for 4 years. But the good thing is you can simply mod those sound effects into the vanilla game, which I and plenty of other people have done.

[@googlefish80]

This is why I just used Reshade and reshaded the fuck out of BFG edition to make it actually......well.... fucking dark....and to improve the visuals more. Still can't fix that flashlight though.

[@joncarlos716]

I played the original doom 3 on original Xbox no update patch. It’s definitely tough but it’s worth it.

[@kaylee42900]

It's funny you mention the interactable computers. I don't remember much about playing it decades ago but I never forgot about the interactable PCs in game. So cool.

[@Slayethemonster]

Doom 3 is the only actual scary game in the franchise I love being just some random marine that has to survive. It's the deadspace, before deadspace existed

[@victoriancu5661]

Ammo scarcity is so essential to doom it’s not even the same game without it. What makes the original doom unique to play even today is how it rewards you for exploring because of the resource management involved with limited ammo, health pickups, armour and power ups. You need to choose when to use your powerful shots. There are even maps where there is so little ammo (think e2 m2 and e2 m3) where you are essentially forced to use your fists with the berserk power up or make monsters in-fight to complete the levels on ultra violence. If you had shotgun or chain gun ammo on those levels they would be trivial. I haven’t played the big edition to doom 3 but I imagine having unlimited ammo would really detract from the game. It would utterly ruin secrets and probably make the game boring. Modern shooters usually don’t focus on ammunition management at all, because you are always killing other gun-men and can pick up their weapons when you run out. In doom, you get a few shots and you better make them count. And you scour the levels inside out looking for any resource you can find. It’s a completely different feel.

[@Jay-ln1co]

Back in the day I spent a lot of time doing all sorts of tweaks to the game, because while I love the atmosphere, the gameplay was lacking for me. I did add lights to some basic guns (with a button toggle to switch them on and off), but they were always much smaller and dimmer than the flashlight, mainly helping with seeing what you were shooting at, rather than for general exploration. I get that some people enjoy the switching back and forth, but I know what I like and since the game is easy to mod, I just made the game more enjoyable and challenging in different ways.

[@ALZY1989]

There's a mod for original Doom 3 that corrects HUD adds resolution, fov option and a new menu also it's easy to install it makes Doom 3 the definitive edition

[@DinnerForkTongue]

Sikkmod?

[@outsider9149]

Great video, one of my favourite doom topics of discussion

[@TheBeansprout]

Glad you enjoyed it bro, I want to cover Doom 3 more often tbh because the game is a lot better than most people think

[@outsider9149]

@@TheBeansprout Yea the game is so underrated, and doesn’t deserve all the hate it gets, just replayed through bfg ed on the 360 but want to try the original on the og Xbox as I think having the flashlight as a separate item makes the horror aspects of doom 3 better

[@Minnevan]

@@outsider9149the xbox port is a really interesting way to experience the game, also i recommend you look for a version that has the RoE expansion

[@jerryk7862]

I remember when i first played the original Doom 3 back in 2007 on my mid spec pc i got scared it was the best horror game i played at that time, Doom 3 BFG Edition on the other hand is still a great game but something is missing from the new version.

[@olechristianhenne6583]

Its not bad since you get all the DLCs Including mp but no coop extra campaign

[@systemshocker2875]

7:26 "The game isnt on console" OG Xbox:-_-

[@qaz3000]

Bought it in 2004 at ebgames when I was 12 and got scared shitless, wasnt able to beat it then haha. The atmosphere and lightning was great. Listening to the PDAs learning stuff and unlocking the cabinet is an integral part of the game for me. A real survival horror. A++

[@channex8179]

Now there is a name I haven't heard in a long time EB Games or Electronics Boutique in full. They were the only store I could still purchase Amiga stuff right up until the end of days whereas all the others had largely abandoned the Amiga by '93 - '94

[@NewDesignVinylGraphics]

Bro i begged my dad to buy me this moments after we left the theater in 2005 watching g the doom movie got this from Eb games and yeah I also could never best it as a kid, I'd spend more time in the PDA looking over my shoulder in my basement than actually making progress Hahaha

[@qaz3000]

@@NewDesignVinylGraphics Hahah awesome story bro. I also spent a lot of time in the PDA's especially since english is second languange here in QC. Like you I went to see the movie but they didnt let me in since it was rated R. I was with my brother, when I went with my dad it was fine tho.

[@qaz3000]

@@channex8179 Interesting I never knew the full name. Mine got rid of Amiga stuff pretty early yours was better haha.

[@channex8179]

@@qaz3000 Are you in the States?

[@HorrorManMike]

I still own Doom 3 on Xbox and it's the only version I'll play. I like the darkness and flashlight, and the muzzle flashes lighting up a small area. I also like the fact you can enter cheats on the tablet in-game originally, which I think was eliminated from BFG edition to prevent Acheivement cheesing

[@Icestorm294]

Played this when it came out - was definitely a changing point in games for me, especially when combined with FEAR a year later. - DOOM3 is definitely the better version when compared with BFG edition, but both are great to play. DHEWM3 Mod with REDUX attached make a great overall package that really captures the core of what DOOM3 is and was, but brings it into 2023 really well 👍🏻

[@SomeOrangeCat]

The Doom 3 BFG Edition Challenge: Talk about to game *without* resorting to bitching about the flash light.

[@Elazar1143]

Quake's remaster has been botched too with its redone lighting. Sections where monsters were hidden in the dark are now very visible. No amount of tweaking the brightness can fix this. The best way to play Quake is the original with one of the many source ports available online.

[@robcoguy6909]

Dhewm3 is an awesome sourceport, i used that the "d3hdp" texture pack and the "weapons of mars destruction" mod, with a few of it's included addons, and it turned the original Doom 3 into a modern remaster in less than an hour. Highly recommended for a playthrough.

[@-pROvAK]

And it works on cell phones

[@simoncalderon2676]

Well I played DOOM 3 on an OG Xbox and remember being mad that at the time when I was a kid in 2004 reading a Game Informer magazine I saw that they were something called the duct tape mod for the PC version of doom three and you can make it the bat signal of the ThunderCats logo and thought to myself meant the PC version of doom three must be so cool but I really enjoyed playing it on the OG Xbox and then later but the doom collection on the Nintendo switch and it just happen to have the BFG edition that I have forgot that I bought back on the 360 and the flashlight never occurred to me until right now that I’m replaying through the game that when I was a kid I remember having to switch from the flashlight to my gun. But yeah DOOM 3 2004 also came out on the Xbox not just the PC.

[@animashian2948]

They slowed down the Chaingun and Plasma gun rate of fire

[@AlexKraynov343]

No. They didn’t. A fire rate is tied to frame rate for some reason. 120fps is a target frame rate for BFG edition. So, 60fps mode slows down a fire rate.

[@KyleHarrisonRedacted]

I prefer the original, with an aspect ratio fix, and my personal favourite thing to do: configure the shotgun with a tighter spread. You’d be surprised how unnecessary artificial the difficulty is Just because 80% of your buckshot misses at point blank range (as demonstrated countless times in this video). Doesn’t have to be tightened much, just a bit, and it makes using the shotgun a LOT more pleasant and reliable, and makes the challenge slightly more balanced and less RNG shitty

[@Nocholas]

This video is a great example of why you should do your homework.

[@ChusmaChusme]

3:13 I kinda want to hear more about whether or not why people liked or disliked the game besides just hearing the amount of copies the game sold. Going through some of the online reviews and thoughts around the time would've made it way more interesting. But still overall a solid video

[@malicant123]

I melted my dad's PC to play Doom 3 when it came out. He didn't mind; he introduced me to Doom in the first place :D

[@Christian-wr4ge]

Since it is going for a more horror vibe. I think it makes sense to have less lighting and no shoulder mounted light.

[@quadrodcc667]

Does OG Doom 3 ammo items are seen less than the BFG Edition? I've never run out of ammunition while I'm playing OG version.

[@KainiaKaria]

dhewm3 source port for DOOM 3 D3HDP - DooM 3 Essential HD Pack The Lost Mission Mod for DOOM 3 CED's Assets Pack for Doom 3

[@LoneWanderer4k]

can't you simply "not shoot" when the flashlight is on? and lower the brightness? look for ammo lockers regardless of how much ammo you have? the only real "downside" is the hazmat section and the minigames being removed. i don't get why doom 3 bfg gets all this hate tbh also it's kinda ironic you recommending to play doom 3 because it's more vanilla than doom 3 bfg, and then recommending the gzdoom port with vertical aiming, lmao

[@ИгорьДушкин-ш1к]

There were minigames besdie "super turbo turkey puncher 3"?

[@LoneWanderer4k]

@@ИгорьДушкин-ш1к yes, and there's a mod to restore them all, including the hazmat section and the vanilla flashlight. BFG WON

[@killertruth186]

@@LoneWanderer4kWhere there a reason for them removing things?

[@amigang]

You know what your right, when I finally got a Pc after the fall of Amiga :( this was one of the first games I got and really was scary and intense. I feel it still has some of the best lighting/shadow effects and I think it was the fact that you had to shoot in the dark and the place only bing lite up by your gun fire or the bad guys, plus the game being darker just all help. I went back to try and replay it but it didnt work so got the bfg edition, but with the flashlight it just didn’t feel the same, or as impressive, now I know why.

[@l3g1t332]

Im tryna get every doom game and so far i have 1993, 2016 and eternal, doom 3 looks good but do you think i should get it?

[@l3g1t332]

@@yxcvbnm-dq7jc aight, but which one should I get before it then?

[@l3g1t332]

@@yxcvbnm-dq7jc k

[@bryank427]

Big update for the Redux mod on PC just came out. Makes me look forward to going through the OG version that much more now.

[@god_likemike2214]

I've only played the BFG edition and I really liked it after ironically dismissing it as "probably not a good DOOM game" for the longest time. But after I had played through it and the DLC campaigns, I then started seeing videos like this comparing it to the original and now I feel super compelled to play the original because it seems like it heightens the parts of the game that makes it unique in the first place. Also less ammo in the original too? I need to get on it and experience this for myself.

[@NoThing-wc3cs]

I played the shit out of both and prefer bfg edition. The ammo abundance and mounted flashlight let’s you focus on the action which is what Doom is all about for me, not horror.

[@liampatterson6219]

Agreed

[@aguy2314]

"the game isn't on consoles" Doom 3, Doom 3 RoE and Doom 3 Collector's Edition for og xbox

[@nonenothing4412]

Is there any mods for Doom3 to make it modern? I'd pay a lot for brutal doom 3

[@rebelliouswitch1991]

That sounds so damn wicked!

[@wurm4676]

I do recall playing the OG back then and it had a lot more of a horror immersion relying on that flashlight. You had to use your ears in a well done surround sound experience btw to pinpoint where things were in the dark. In that regard I had more fun with the OG but then again I did play the bejesus out of it so BFG edition could have been more of a "here we go again" type of experience when I went through it the first time.

[@ZeroStas]

My only complaint is: flashlight is off center and it REALLY hurts my head I can't get used to it that quick but yeah. I did beat the game eventually.

[@kgames82]

I had DooM 3 back in the day and loved it, but I'm a run-and-gun sort of guy so I appreciated BFG addition a bit more. What I would have liked to see is less predictable spawning though. It gets to a point that when you hear a spawn your instinct is to run the opposite direction that you came because you know they're going for that 'gotcha' moment by placing an enemy in the previous room to hit you from behind. Would have been cool to have a few more empty moments where it feels like something should happen but doesn't. Also DooM 3 is one of those games that doesn't reward curiosity. See some ammo? It spawns an enemy. Same with health, armor, PDA's, weapons...

[@wundermax1993]

the flashlight ended up being a mechanics. You had to manage the lack of visibility by either relying on muzzle flash (plasma gun was the best) or in most cases the imps fireball glow. There was an entire section in the original game that was a pitch dark maze of wide corridors around the elevator shaft and after you arrive in the darkness the only light you see is the imp spawning in followed but darkness and suddenly a glowing hand appears somewhere conjuring a fireball. A tense, suspenseful, enjoyable fight especially because the imp fireball, the key to fighting in dark areas is made in a way that the imp will hold it back if you start to dodge and only shoot if it could lead the shot or if the timer went down. Amazing synergy with the darkness. BFG edition entirely destroyed that section adding in red lights every corner making it a dull experience. So this is just another example like the shoulder mounted flashlight and the additional ammo. The game had so much ammo you could go hoarding it without any issue on the hardest difficulty. D2 = classic fps game D3 = insanely good horror game D3BFG = good horror game

[@DinnerForkTongue]

One change I hate in BFG is how the fire rate of _all_ automatic weapons were nerfed. Absolutely sucks.

[@charleschamp9826]

What kind of set up does Doom 3 require on more modern set ups? I have the game on Steam, does it require anything beyond pushing that big play button?

[@pmorken6162]

I can't say I quite agree with the ammo complaint. This is a problem I feel is synonymous with both versions of Doom 3- the original game drowns you in so much of it anyways that the increase in ammo in the BFG edition barely makes any difference. It was a completely needless change, but I find it doesn't impact gameplay at all. Truth be told, I think the ammo should've been decreased in the BFG edition. As for the flashlight, I do agree that the original game had better lighting and as such is far more atmospheric since you have to swap between it and your weapons, so I would call it better for a first playthrough. On subsequent playthroughs, however, if you know which encounters are coming, I find the darkness more annoying than anything else. At the end of the day it's all up to personal preference, but I find the BFG edition easier to come back to overall. Edit: I forgot to mention the missing enemies in BFG edition, which is pretty much the only change I actually care about. There was zero reason for them to do this. It completely neuters some of the tougher fights like the first Mancubus encounter in Hell and removes some smaller ones outright, which is a change I don't like. In the end I'd say my opinion on which I'd rather play is kind of mixed now.

[@AdamCHowell]

I revisited doom 3 a number of years ago after not playing it since launch and noticed the flashlight wasnt how I remembered it. I honestly assumed I'd just misremembered that whole mechanic. Not sure I ever loved that mechanic though. It was a very survival horrorish game which isn't normally a genre I go for and I remember disliking the sense that I was always straining my eyes. I didn't have that issue with BFG. So it's interesting to see these were actually gameplay changes. I'll have to have ago on the original again soon.

[@AlphaZeroX96]

The flashlight in the original was only there because of performance limitations at the time. id Software wanted the player to use both the flashlight and gun at the same time. It's annoying when people call obvious limitations the "intended way to play."

[@t.i.m.g90]

I bought doom 3 from epic for $4 the other day. I'm playing on the hardest mode & its just way too easy. doom 3 gave me chills, doom 3 bfg edition gives me nostalgia of doom 3 on the original xbox. still fun, just not as fun as I remembered. I also had the metal doom 3 game case.

[@The_viruskiller]

speaking off doom3 would it run ok (30-50fps) on a low end laptop?

[@lewisgrant7622]

Something else that some may not know is 007: agent under fire was also made on the Id tech 3 engine

[@VideoGameKillCounts]

Absolutely loved Doom 3, even the BFG edition - one of my better kill counts, and it’s a long one! I remember starting the original on my Voodoo 4 Time computer. Could hardly hit 30fps at 720p but hot damn it was mind blowing seeing the shadows and lights in real time.

[@sonosoloio]

I really like Doom 3 and the BFG edition is my favorite version, so much so that I have it permanently installed on my PC and from time to time I play it again.

[@patricklecrane9546]

i've modded doom 3 bfg, disabled some lighning in options, edit the amount of ammo when you pick up a clip (i have to switch my weapon all the time, whereas in bfg you are full ammo all the time!!) add trent reznor sounds, and add graphic mod with parallax (rdoombfg), my game takes about 12 go on my hdd

[@targetrender9529]

I remember when the game first came out on pc and EVERYONE complained about the flashlight, and that it was a pain having to switch between it and your weapons, making the game unnecessarily hard. Now everyone is saying the attached flashlight removes the spookiness. I think both versions are equally good. Bfg version looks better. But original version has darker shadows.

[@troyallen2185]

My brother got doom 3 with his original Xbox and i remember sneaking play time with it "way to young for it" and it scared the heck out of me, but getting to play the BFG edition on PlayStation now it's still a good game "forgiveness for the RNG shotgun not included" , hope everyone is having a good day 😊

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

I remember being completely awed by Doom 3's atmosphere and design. BFG Edition does indeed feel like a watered down version.

[@leftyfourguns]

Doom 3 was THE PC game back in mid-2000s. It was one of the first games you immediately booted up when you got a new graphics card or monitor.

[@AlphaZeroX96]

The change to the flashlight is good. The reason it wasn't like that in the original was because of performance or a limitation at the time. It was originally intended for you to look with the light and shoot at the same time. How can people call a limitation "intentional?" Anyway, the actual problem with the BFG Edition was the removal of content. Also another oddity with the BFG Edition is the censorship in Doom 1 and 2.

[@dorianallisongrey]

What made OG DooM 3 so good for me was the horror of it. Limited ammo, dark ass maps and having to pull out the flashlight to see literally anything. I played it as a kid too so i really fell in love with horror and gore and the Tweaker theme sparked my love for heavy metal and now i love Black & Death metal. Such a core part of my childhood. So when i played the bfg edition i was dissapointed they took everything that made DooM 3 well... DooM 3.

[@travit666]

1:02 I don't know why I thought BFG edition came out like a year or two after Doom 3 launched hearing that it came out in 2012 it's just crazy

[@WolfgangRP]

100% agree with your take, Beansprout. I played every single Doom game upon release, and the reason why this one was my favourite was the increased atmosphere and being genuinely scared by a game. It's kinda like why Alien 3 is the best of the franchise, and why Aliens is the worst.