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College is currently considered a (privileged) default of the American education system. A bachelor’s degree is now looked at as not too different to a high school diploma. Just a few decades ago, having a bachelor’s degree was a guarantee of getting a job, but now, there is no such distinction. So a college degree can be helpful, but it’s no surefire way to getting the life or career a person might want.
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RYAN HOLIDAY :
Ryan Holiday is a media strategist and prominent writer on strategy and business. After dropping out of college at 19 to apprentice under Robert Greene, author of The 48 Laws of Power, he went on to advise many bestselling authors and multiplatinum musicians. He served as director of marketing at American Apparel for many years, where his campaigns have been used as case studies by Twitter, KZbin, and Google and written about in AdAge, the New York Times, and Fast Company. His first book, Trust Me I’m Lying-which the Financial Times called an “astonishing, disturbing book”-was a debut bestseller and is taught in colleges around the world. He is the author of two other books and is now published in 16 languages. He lives in Austin, Texas.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Ryan Holiday: For me going to college was just an assumption that was made and there was no challenging whether - if you're smart and you do well in school you go to college because that's how you're successful life. And I think that's true for a lot of people. And I really liked collage. The decision to drop out was not one that I took lightly and I don't think it's necessarily - I didn't drop out and then figure out what I wanted to do with my life, I had a job offer to be a research assistant to work at a talent agency in Hollywood. I had these offers and I did the math and I said hey if these were my offers the day after graduation I would have considered college a success. So that's why I personally dropped out. And a few years ago I wrote an article about dropping out of college and sort of what that experience was like and how it shaped my life. And the funny or scary thing is that it now ranks really well on Google if you search the phrase dropping out of college. And so I get a lot of emails almost every day at like 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning some kid who's not happy with college comes back to his dorm room, they Google that phrase and then they email me. And a lot of times they want me to tell them that it's okay to drop out of college. And I usually don't, one, because it was such a terrifying decision to make and it was so unpleasant. I mean my parents didn't take it well and it was so hard that I'm not glib about recommending it to other people. But also I think Mark Zuckerberg, again, didn't drop out of college to create Facebook, he created Facebook in college and then he moved to California for the summer and it was doing so well that he decided not to go back. I think Bill Gates' story is similar. Most of the really successful college dropouts used the platform that is going to a university, it's using the status of being a student. They started something and it got going quickly enough that it didn't make sense to continue going to school.
So I think college is a great default. It's not a great default if you're going to be $200,000 in debt at the end of it, but it's a great default to sort of figure out what you're doing. It's a safe place to experiment and learn things. I don't know what I would tell my own kids. It seems crazy to me that I need to do 18 plus years of savings to pay for this for them. But I do think that quitting college and dropping out of college to do something different are inherently different things. If I get an email from someone and they say I'm failing all my classes; I want to dropout just like you did, I say no you need to figure out why you were not successful in school and solve that problem before you strike out on your own where you have even less of a safety net.
I do think though, and people have made this argument about Peter Thiel's foundation, which creates fellowships that encourages kids to drop out of college, I do think questioning whether college is the right choice for you is worth doing and I do think the stigma about dropping out is worth reducing as well. When you drop out of college and your parents go you're throwing your life away; how can you do this? You can't say it work...
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[@OnePercentBetter]

I dropped out 12 days ago, exactly half-way through my degree. Best. Decision. Ever. I hated it. I got my first coaching client the week after. Life's never been greater. If you know truly in your heart that you hate being at uni and have a desire to pursue your passions... Drop out.

[@MrBeaux]

The question is though, did those 4 semesters (I'm assuming that's what you've gone through) leave you with a crippling amount of debt?

[@erikleith4670]

OnePercentBetter how did you find your coachingg client??

[@infamouscrusader3363]

I wish I can, I can't, my family is making me go and i'll be honest, I hate it and wish I left. I am not angry at them I know they are sincere, but it does not mean they are not wrong. If I do graduate, I plan to go to trade school after, I've always was interested in blue collar work. I am majoring in Englush and it was a big mistake, I realized that I did not want to be a full time writer, just be an author part time and everything I learned I just taught it myself. I'm glad your happy now, God bless.

[@infamouscrusader3363]

knowatimean You're right, I guess my only reason for still going is my family. I never considered myself an adult, not now but I know that the path i'm going, it will not end well but of course the only person to blame is myself because at the end of the day, we are all individuals and we all make our decisions, good or evil.

[@MFMegaZeroX7]

Did the comment section even see the video? He is simply saying that if you have something super successful lined up for you if you drop out right now, then sure, drop out. Else, you shouldn't. He then cites the famous successful college drop outs and show that they already had something successful before they dropped out.

[@caifancabr0n699]

this

[@Deusex63]

i believe the part about see what you are doing wrong and try to solve it is a good advice too.

[@zalfight]

I agree. Holiday does make a good point at the end, though, that society shouldn't be structured in a way that one is only justified in dropping out when they have something successful and definite available to them.

[@rowland5951]

MegaZeroX7 People hear what they want to hear.

[@TheNamelessOne-o4v]

Oops... didn't want to study. So I dropped out and now I am not welcome in my family and I am in the streets with no money.

[@Butter_bread_]

My parents still don't know that I dropped out

[@yoshtg]

are you a 12 year old kid? why would your parents even care wtf

[@Butter_bread_]

+Kymate obviously because parents want their kids to attend college.

[@yoshtg]

B Butters you must be a diligent kid

[@gateway833]

+Kymate You must have shitty parents.

[@yoshtg]

gateway833 how old are you?

[@TomBarton82]

College will always be there for you to attend but opportunities come and go very quickly.

[@greasyharold2653]

Absolutely. I dropped out of my underwater basket-weaving course and got nowhere.

[@greasyharold2653]

Kymate Would someone who's mentally challenged hold the world record for eating toenails?

[@yoshtg]

Greasy Harold probably not. i think getting that world record is much easier for someone who is not handicapped / mentally challenged.

[@pramitbanerjee]

the underwater basket weaving course made me who i am today.

[@binzsta86]

Should've major in Beyonce instead.

[@BradThomas]

Besides professions such as a doctor, lawyer, etc, teach your kids how to discipline themselves to learn outside of a classroom, and they won't need college. If you think you can only learn from a teacher in a classroom, you're already behind the ball. You can pretty much learn anything nowadays simply through the internet for free or at a very low cost. And, to master something means you have to DO IT, again and again and again... I am a business owner and I will hire someone with no degree, who I feel is a hard worker, has great communication skills and a desire to better themselves over someone who simply has a degree they paid for. The degree says nothing about your ability to do anything. For me, I did not go to college. I was fortunately raised around many people who had no degrees but were very successful. We are what we think. If you think you can be successful without a degree, I assure you, you can be. Just roll up your sleeves and get to work. When I speak to young entrepreneurs, I always tell them to master their communication skills. If you know how to, and aren't afraid to talk to people, you can pretty much get to anywhere you want to go in life. I'll end with this. Becoming successful isn't easy. You're going to fail, you're going to have setbacks. But if you keep learning, and keep pushing forward, then you will have an opportunity to succeed, no matter what piece of paper you do or don't have.

[@Gayu_8]

I'm thinking of dropping out of college, cause I want to learn new things. I'm in my 2nd year of fashion designing right now (college time 10:00am to 5:00pm). This is my dream to be a fashion designer but because of this am not able to consentrate on other things . I need some guidance.

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

"Teach your kids how to discipline themselves to learn outside of a classroom, and they won't need college" The only reason why kids need discipline to learn in the first place is because at a young age school as conditioned us to see learning a a boring chore, killing curiosity and creativity. We're taught to ask for permission. That's my opinion anyway.

[@BradThomas]

@@AmazingStoryDewd well said

[@WACHANYSHT]

Throwing away your life? O.o there is more to life than learning what they want you to know and dying a worthless debt slave.

[@mirrorman4558]

You can always blow up your house and start a "Fight Club"

[@RayLRhodes]

Better than dying without a good job, you idiot.

[@WACHANYSHT]

+MelvinThe42 Sounds like something a worthless debt slave would say.

[@pikkuadi]

You know there is a fault in the system if you have to get in debt to get into a university to study and learn. Thankfully in my country universities are free and the government pays you 500e a month for being in there. But it's nothing to brag about, everyone should have the opportunity to study no matter where you live and who you are.

[@RayLRhodes]

Kaneda So? What's the alternative?

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

People often look to the super successful as the example to drop out or not. That's a very high bar (some would argue unachievable) for the average person. There are plenty of everyday people who live comfortable lifestyles without ever having finished college.

[@johndcockefeller4246]

He raises a good point about dropping out if you already have your end goal available to you or if you have something developed during college that can propel you to where you want to go. What he doesn't touch on is that we unfortunately live in a meritocracy. Today in 2016 a college degree is the same as a high school degree 20 or 30 years ago. For the majority of people who don't meet his criteria above, dropping out of college is going to severely hinder their ability to survive in the modern world.

[@erickval1194]

I just dropped out of college today. It is a hard decision for me to make, everyone around me try to stop me from taking that decision. But i’ve always had this desire to take different path to success. I really hate the way most people think that we should all go to college, work for good companies before we run a business. There’s some truth to that, but i don’t want to work for someone else, i’ve always wanted to start my own business eventhough i’m not sure what or how to start one atm, but i believe one day I will be successful in life.

[@hannahn5969]

I'm working on a degree myself, but the view that a degree is necessary and that not getting one is 'throwing away your life' is very elitist. Only 40.4% of Americans have degrees, and only 6.7% of the world. Pretending those other 59.6% and 93.3% don't 'have lives' is quite absurd.

[@shindoxxx]

Really? only 6.7%? Because it seems to be pretty much everyone around me has a degree, no matter how smart or dumb they are. And here I am thinking about dropping out of CS which costs me no money, because I hated the university, the instruction quality, how it feels like a waste of time just attending the useless lectures then I have to unlearn their BS and teach myself everything from the book and the Internet. Also it feels like everyone is only trying to get good grades from the exams either by cheating, finding previously asked questions etc, no one actually wants to learn anything. Honestly, unless it is a top tier university, you'd be better off teaching yourself using the Internet and the books. Not having a degree is pretty scary though, there must be a reason everybody is crazy about the degree...

[@WildwoodClaire1]

Of course not. Most of us are potentially no more than competent technicians and college or other training opportunities teach us to do just that. They provide an opportunity to earn a decent living for those of us who are NOT brilliant innovators, deep thinkers, or dazzling entrepreneurs.

[@boynextdoor1]

I didn't chose dank memes dank memes chose me

[@MAGNETO-i1i]

Morfus is life, Morfus is love. Gimme the red pill

[@bunidastudio8971]

B0b out of every comments, this is my favourite one

[@genericeric0102]

the next big Financial collapse is going to because College tuitions, cost too much and very expensive to pay back, extreme debt when you're ready to start your life

[@youtubeepicuser4209]

+Goldman Sachs Transcripts for Hillary 2016! Right...

[@ziadanwar5296]

i really like how he is objective about it and unbiased. cuz alot of people these days take dropping out of uni as some kind of liberation but in fact if you don't know what are you doing then you definitely going in the wrong direction. dropping out was never an easy option

[@drmanhat4483]

I actually learned this lesson from that movie we are friends..."school is only useless only if you have something better to do" something like that.

[@GhostSamaritan]

"You're not Bill Gates." That's true but if he became the richest in the world, so can I. He's just a human, so am I. That phrase sends the wrong message. It just might lower my self-esteem (if I were that kind of sensitive person). Instead, tell your kids that anything is possible if they put their minds to it and work hard and disciplined.

[@soonahero]

But you're not Bill Gates. He dropped out of Harvard, because it was too easy.

[@PerlasNegrasXII]

Nigga, he didn't just drop out like that, he already had a business, he wasn't just a human, he was a human with a successful business in the side. You can't just pretend you are going to be as successful as other people with doing hard work alone, were you where born into, your family's status and luck decides whether you are going to be successful or not. Case in point, you are going to drop out of a random college, bill gates drop out of Harvard. That it's a big, big, difference.

[@TELEDRMUNDO]

You don't just reach Bill Gates status through sheer talent and willpower. That's a crap shoot that compounded into continuous, snowballing favorable crap shoots.

[@EPmessi9800]

He's different than you though mentally. And you won't have the same advantages he had.

[@GhostSamaritan]

All you who feel that you're limited by stuff, coming up with different arguments for why you can't do something will never do it. Some people will "just do it", most people will give up and tell themselves "this is impossible". It's the minority of people with an infinite drive who have shaped our current world.

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

It depends on the individual, I don't see why not, most people I look to for inspiration were drop outs, also, you have online course for college and university so no one has to really deal with drama or go throw motions.

[@Ninja-iq2xt]

There's no harm in dropping out of the college unless and until you've discovered your passion and skills. Those skills will create its own path towards success for you, just do what you love to do, thats all i have to say!

[@Ninja-iq2xt]

+Kaneda good luck✌️

[@CR33SIVE]

Your passion won't guide you, you have to develop passion.

[@hanniffydinn6019]

If you have a 100% clear vision and goal/business in mind you don't need uni! 99% don't have any clear vision.

[@MrLazyj]

love your books Ryan l, keep it up

[@love_exegence]

Let's get rich brahh. We gonna make the next big app bruh. Imma be the next Steve jobs brah.

[@pramitbanerjee]

Lets vote for donald trump brahh.

[@ungkapancinta7807]

Tidak semudah itu Ferguso !

[@wrednax8594]

Dudebro!

[@rafaelandeme4060]

This is a great message. Thank you.

[@commonmanimaginativeworld7465]

Loved the way you explained it to me😊.

[@stuff4ever]

It only works if you are a genius.

[@mirrorman4558]

no

[@firstlast_x]

Not unless you have a plan. If you don't have that fall back, then nope stay your ass in school. This is coming from someone who makes 40k in sales at 24 years of age because I can't find nothing else, other than to go up in management. Which I won't. I will have to go back hopefully this winter because I realize not having a skill is costing me much. I wish I'd had done that straight out of high school.

[@johnsuzy98]

I like your honesty, maturity and responsibility. This is from a college dropout.😄

[@mrstraiban]

Sure, if college is expensive in your country then I guess dropping out could be the better choice if you have other options. I'm getting a free university education so even if I'd get a job offer, I'd still finish my studies. A college degree is still useful for a back up plan if things go south.

[@beegum1]

The problem is that a lot of things, and he broaches this when he says to figure out why you're not doing well at college, are hard. You can certainly be successful as a plumber, but... if you can't do college, you're going to find the trades to be as and likely more difficult, for instance.

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

Yet conventional thinking will tell you the opposite.

[@DonCDXX]

"For me going to college was just an assumption" For most of us in the US, myself included, it is the opposite. College wasn't even a topic in my family. Being employed and moving out as quick after hitting 18 was the only expectation and that's the way it is for more than half of Americans. With the joke we call the K-12 education, it's amazing as many people go to college that actually do. Then again, with the abysmal state of America's K-12, it makes sense Donald Trump is doing so well.

[@nirnir12342]

Best video for the subject yet!

[@DocShotsPhotography]

I dropped out and I have a successful I.T career. ultimately whether u go to college or not u need a plan. without that it doesn't matter what u do because u most likely will not obtain your success

[@DocShotsPhotography]

thank you because I thought it was my degree that got me this far lol

[@DocShotsPhotography]

lol. I was sarcastically responding to your redundant comment.

[@ayaneshsarkar7804]

I have no problem with college, I have no problem with studying till late at night. I have problem with studying with other students and adapt to their style of learning. I can self-study for hours but going to college is nightmare for me. I don't want any friends at college, I have many but it sucks going there and studying with those stooges.

[@blacklyfe5543]

Dropping out of college is the worst decision of your life you're losing thousands of dollars just to go to school for no reason 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@mirrorman4558]

If you need to ask someone if you should drop out of college, don't.

[@temperateortropical161]

It's 2016. If you're still at university, with a student loan, doing anything other than a STEM degree, you're in serious trouble, because your projected ROI is lower than your debt. Drop out now & cut your losses.

[@Mariomario-gt4oy]

no. not if you want to be successful UNLESS you have a plan for dropping out or not going.

[@pikkuadi]

Thanks Big Think. You've changed the thumbnail's text to the left side.

[@dshoec]

People also need to realize the successful college dropouts all come from very wealthy families. The dropouts from poor families end up ruining their lives as college is their only shot at the middle class.

[@DayVidsgaming]

Start life with massive debt. Job isn’t guaranteed. I know people with bachelors that have average jobs. Best thing is, go to trade school.

[@sophocles8761]

College degree is an insurance policy ... if you have the privilege to be given a place at college then you are selfish to throw it away.

[@pikfortuin]

I don't think that college/university is about getting a piece of paper to get a better job. It is the ability to reach a certain level of intelligence. Being able to analyse, reflect, plan, observe, etc. is something extremely valuable that you learn at college. Of course there will be hyper intelligent humans who do not need the guidance to reach these levels (like Bill Gates), but for the majority of the people (just like me) college is a good place to train yourself.

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

That would be great if it didn't come with a mountain of debt. Still for most people it is all about a job. Due to degree inflation there are more people in jobs that traditionally never required a degree. On the jobs training seems to have died in in many areas. Besides the skills you speak of can be learned on your own with discipline or other settings.

[@qhack]

To make the statement that you should go to college to figure out how to not fail... O.o Not sure I can agree with that line of thinking. Getting out in the real world first is a vastly superior way to gain maturity enough to then go back to college and get a real education.

[@LiveLXStudios]

Not really. What he's saying is that its really easy to dig yourself into a hole in the real world, and college offers the opportunity to experiment and develop yourself without that threat. Well, a lesser threat.

[@L.V.T234]

Nicely said, give that man a cookie

[@SwaeTech]

You know that thing about getting jobs based off of the people you know and can relate to? ... yeeaaahh.. that's what college is for. It also teaches you how to cope with a higher level of stress. College is NOT about what you learn. It's about learning how to learn, learning how to cope with stress, meeting people that will further your career in the future, career fairs, and being able to get through the first level of HR when they talk about minimum requirements for a job :|

[@tysondiki]

Those who are commenting that they dropped out and they are super happy, they are lying. They are still suspicious about the choice they have made and that's y they are watching this video

[@JFB1111]

Pretty sad the days of getting a job with a living wage without higher education are practically gone. It's like you need a college/university degree to push a broom nowadays. Pretty crazy & worthless. Plus a lot of courses offered today have absolutely no practical and/or useful value in the real world and all you end up with is debt.

[@LiveLXStudios]

Have you even attended college before? Doesn't really sound like it.

[@JFB1111]

LX Actually I did, for one year, after High school and found it a waste of my time. I rather found work and make a very decent wage & benefits without it. I make 100+ G;s a year and are content & happy, how about you? As a note, I am one of the lucky ones to find a job that pays a living wage WITHOUT higher education that I mentioned in my original comment. What is your situation like and do you have problem with mine?

[@SchowiestSleet8]

JFB1111 What do you do for a living, mate ?

[@JFB1111]

Schowiest Sleet Does it matter? What is your situation?

[@LiveLXStudios]

JFB1111 Sounds like a stereotypical made up story.

[@dnt2321]

i am going to drop this month

[@alireza2557-j3k]

I'm going to drop it out to build my own carrier

[@yamiyuki1112]

Drop out of college doesn't mean stop learning and working Failing all the subjects and try to drop out => it sounds like they just don't want to learn anymore ==!

[@MrMalastoufa]

Why in hell is uni so expensive in the States!!!?? In fact why isn't it free in the first place? They are ripping you off guys

[@T55-e8x]

There can only be so many successful dropped outs but anyone can fail...........

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

Not really it deeds what you mean by successful. Most dropouts are not millionaires but that doesn't;t mean they are living on the street. Many live comfortable lifestyles.

[@tylermcburney4476]

I dropped out of a university and state school yet I still destroy my educated buddies in jeopardy

[@breakablebutter]

what are you doing for a living?

[@tylermcburney4476]

It's a joke

[@dothedeed]

Basically the question is "If you won the lottery and suddenly got millions / billions of dollars would you stay in college"?

[@Padrae22]

Kinda except more like if you are working in the right area and receiving success already why stay learning when you can be working. Steve Jobs didn't have Apple land in his lap he had to work for it.

[@drmanhat4483]

I mean that only means you have money. a lot of people go to college to find them selves or develop a certain skill to do something that they believe in. a lot of people still go and finish college despite being rich or famous

[@dothedeed]

redDoor Rich kids go to college "to find themselves" not poor kids. PapaKay Exactly. Most people do not even go into the field they majored in. So that means they're in college for the piece of paper.

[@Padrae22]

I'm poor by most peoples standards the difference is my country (in the UK) has student loans set up that take away the huge sadness you Americans face so yes in America i would only go as an absolute must but over here you might as well.

[@dothedeed]

Padrae If I were American I would only go to a community college. There's no way I'd consider paying $60,000 per year for school. I couldn't even think about paying that back. I'd rather buy a house with 4 yrs worth of tuition. Worse if you can't find a decent job afterwards.

[@OutputzBeatz]

You don't have to be Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerburg to drop out of school guys. The benefits just need to outway the risks, which is the case for a lot of students in this day and age.

[@liannacarlucci1546]

this is fucking awesome - spot on. thank you

[@563946007]

smh yall upload a video like this right before school starts :/

[@meatwad1193]

the picture of bill gates on the thumbprint looked like mort from Bob's burgers

[@mirrorman4558]

You can always smoke DMT and be Alan Watts

[@andrewbutler4822]

Dark web

[@Paperbagman555]

Buy some - internet bank transfer works a charm.

[@sagakfairy]

I think answer to this video is rather too obvious

[@onkarparab9329]

Please guys dont dropout how we will get labours

[@kona9865]

The internet is a slime world

[@foolishsamurai]

who else knows Ryan coz of Casey ?

[@youtubeinnk]

I know why this video is so unpopular.

[@pinklipstickx19]

Lots of people in the comments really salty so let them drop out people have them there choice has nothing to do with no one business bill gates is smart don’t compare with others is about being a risk taker

[@TarkusT]

In find one aspect that is missed here, aside from the fact that Bill Gates mother was on the IBM Board of Directors so maybe his success may have tainted, is that these people 'dropped out of college'. Now that works three ways; first while I may I admire Zuckenburg I am pretty certain that I do not want him taking out my appendix, so maybe someone who actually learned the necessary information in some fields, second, the area of success is unknown so without peer review are you another Lockheed telling the world that you tested this airplane without any understanding of physics?, and three, so what just another group of people who took a new technology and found another to "UBER" people into making everyone else money except the actual worker. Reminds of this ABC special on Americans who made it big from absolute nothing but when the smoke cleared just another set of people prepared screw over workers. Hey I get it that is the American way but would not be fun for once to see someone create a new profit company with some ethics?

[@SuperBlackjacklover]

Yay for me I'm so broke I don't even get a chance to decide to drop out woooop.

[@vVanderlej]

Bill and Zuckerberg are genius. Are you?

[@madeofpolygons4739]

Reminds me of Peter Gregory

[@pokemon0wns]

Or get a useful degree? I'm working on my M.D. Stop taking basket weaving as your major. If you want to make money get a useful skill or trade. Even if college isn't your thing go to trade school. I'm so tired of people saying bill gates shit. He was a genius programmer that went to Harvard. You go to community college and go to Taco Bell big difference. If you're not intelligent enough to take college level classes go to trade school.

[@MoonLiteNite]

Best thing i ever did!

[@Kkaapoww]

We should absolutely stigmatize dropping out so that no 20 year olds at all think it's a wise or okay decision... that way the ones who do won't have as much trouble entering the market.

[@MrAbdulaziz05]

Gareth bale !

[@fourorthree2]

look at the examples that we should look up to! Zuckerberg and Gates. LMAO.

[@kona9865]

Don’t fucking drop out

[@kona9865]

Ur risking too much

[@Yathuprem]

Claps, claps, claps

[@sercan272727]

dont think a person can have drive or skill to be successful if he cant even finish a collage. which is just another level of kindergarden and 100x easier than real life

[@LiveLXStudios]

Have you even went to college yourself?

[@charlesdemarest1171]

Have you even finished a collage?

[@SchowiestSleet8]

Let me guess, you went to a sh*tty community college, didn't you ?

[@ColaNerd10]

+Schowiest Sleet We really shouldn't call community colleges shitty. My uncle, who now has a phd in psychology, started at community college (presumably for financial reasons) and that's how many people approach community colleges these days, as a cheap alternative to the first two years of college, then transferring to a state college for the final two years. Alternatively, community colleges train in jobs like hairstyling, plumbing, etc., If your looking for the "college experience", community college is recommended, but calling them shitty is insulting to those that have no choice.

[@CR33SIVE]

What? We know that.

[@yoshtg]

ITS CALLED WITHDRAW HEHE XD

[@hadierturk4693]

like

[@cnl1213]

Kanye West?

[@baconpenguin94]

First

[@hadierturk4693]

first to likr

[@Typhoon792]

Who cares about this guy's story/personal experience? He knows absolutely nothing about this point.