Is Echidna The WORST Lost Ark Raid?

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[@chicknwing2742]

Cleared it 5 times now on normal, including on my main 1630 pally. The gimmicks suck. It takes way too long to get back to basement after a wipe. DPS is so tight we need everyone alive for snakes. Having to reset over and over and over because someone made 1 mistake is very frustrating and reminds me exactly of Brel g5. I can understand Korean players saying this raid was easy if they phased her from mech to mech without seeing many patterns but my static teams are nowhere near that juiced and sometimes her pattern sequences can be pure cancer.

[@FrEshelman]

I tried to prog Echidna with 10-15 parties last weekend, got to the basement but didn't clear G2. Now I can't join reclear groups. I joined some G1 only reclear groups yesterday, but we didn't clear it in 3 different parties over an hour each. I'm stuck until I can schedule a learning party for G2. With kids and a job, I can't commit to a static group. TLDR: This raid's teamwork requirement in NM is tough for non-static players.

[@hubachecka]

Been saying this for a year but the devs just dont understand the western playerbase (or they dont care) If these raids had an actual "casual" normal mode for everyone to clear, even 9 to 5 andys, this game would still have a much bigger playerbase. Make them give out less rewards but just delete all "one person wipes team" mechanics and just let people have fun raiding with randoms. Echidna again is such a toxic pug environment and it isn't even the players fault, it's just how this raid is designed. Sure, at some point this will be another "homework" raid but even to this day I occasionally hit a Akkan HM jail lobby, Echidna will be the same for months... in all hours of progging I have never seen all 8 people manage to do the tether-run away mech perfectly. There is always a butterfly coming out of nowhere to hit someone and the distance you have to travel to cut the tether is already overkill. The mirror countermech is such a fkk up with classes with aoe counters. Funniest thing I saw was that I countered the correct mirror in front of me, sorc next to me countered just a fraction later and hit the mirror next to it AND that "fail" counter explosion petrifies the next player to it, not even the player who initially fkkd up (so I got petrified). Her patterns are kinda fair but horrible for classes like destroyer and as Cautty mentioned the stacks don't make sense with the shield v meter buff for these classes. Man, the devs are so clueless...

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

one of the reasons i quit, Akkan was hell hole with parties sigh can you imagine wiping for 5 hours with multiple parties and these guys cant get good, i could no longer stand it and just quit, of course this is not everyone but in 1 party there is always 2 or 3 guys that just fck suck and wipe everyone lol, even during Akkan there are still trash players that were bad even in Vykas and Valtan i just said fck it. western players seem to have a much lower talent for gaming than Koreans and Chinese, to many shitty players that cant get good

[@s.a4034]

Looks like devs assume people who reach echidna in first week , 99% already have an static .

[@ffhighwind]

The raid was designed around KR as is Behemoth. You're supposed to be overgeared full 10 gems 40sum full transcendence. They just don't tune these things for NA.

[@RagingSorrowDR]

This is why I don't like this type of difficulty. You are being punished for a random's mistake and one person is making everybody not have fun. Imo this is terrible raid design.

[@KG-mv5uo]

Exactly right

[@rc8929]

Theamine was harder…but Echidna is far more difficult regarding first teamwork requirement and NOW dps check as I am seeing the beserk timer far too often in normal mode. It is extremely disappointing as this feels like a give-away to whales and locks T4 progression to normal/hard. Yesterday, in reclear raids the dps just couldn’t get the job done (I was on 1630 in normal), even when we got to the berserk timer.

[@gorkeme6454]

FAX

[@moru2546]

It makes sense for kr not us tbh alot of ppl don't have their full lvl 10s some ppl even 9s and we don't even have transcendence yet for nm we really lack damage and if u have ppl who do low dps its a ggwp

[@rc8929]

@@moru2546yep. Gatekeeping low dps/low support (like not full elixirs/some transcendence) will be required unless the hp is nerfed. But all of that will go away in September with all the new stuff for T4 and 1620 to 1640 zone won’t exist anymore as the moment you hit 1620 you will zoom to 1640.

[@ivangho6319]

@@rc8929 so rigth now this raid is just trolling ppl for 2-3 months before t4 so they can swipe if they feel weak xd

[@mikehunt3166]

the dps check isn't that bad in normal, ive cleared with 2 no elixir supports I think it comes down to an uptime issue since people are more focused on dodging charm patterns than dpsing. when people start learning the char patterns better the dps check will be a joke, especially because of the 30% multiplier in dmg you get after basement snakes.

[@Startrance85]

i would like it to be alot easier after Thaemine i am already starting to feel burnt out on raiding. And i can't wait for the solo raids.

[@sanddunesppo5170]

change gage to vykas gage and change sleep bomb interaction and raid would be fun

[@blinky840]

facts

[@Good19987]

"hey our game has really wide spread gate keeping and we constantly hear complaints about it? what should we do about that?" - makes a boss that has constant team wipe/raid wipe mechanics and far more team play reliant

[@ceacaralex3994]

of course. just remove those bad players. then all good players remain. so raid will be super easy and no gatekeeping because everyone remained is roster 300. game problems solved. only downsize is only 100 players left in the game and no one is swiping.

[@clementguitard6653]

@@ceacaralex3994 those 100 players are swiping like crazy

[@SebastianNiight]

Played lost ark since release, no breaks, and i can say this raid is very poorly designed. Runing away from boss, camera view, many instant turn and hit patterns, very anxious. I do g3 theamine now for fun after this just to chill out

[@ivangho6319]

true

[@ivangho6319]

i had so much fun in thaemine after this xdd

[@m.m85434]

Blue GL here, I basically gave up progress at this point. I feel on G2 like anchor to my raid group, because it is simply so hard to dodge some charm mechs. Mechs like Backstep where she basically jump behind my back, give me one stack of charm and then rain flowers on us when I got no real movement skill to get out, this skill can literally charm me from 0 stacks. Single Ribbon mech where if she hit someone, her AoE charm is larger than than my backjump and faster than my movement skills. These things are extremely frustrating, Blue GL is tanky class which require very high uptime to do any damage and here I am prevented to tank big part of mechs just to not screw up my group, often I am running from Flytrap to Mirrors Chain mech, to be pushed from boss by Backstep and go directly to 8 Mirrors, there is basically no uptime windows in first phase if boss decide to do these hard to dodge patterns. Of course there is way to learn all these things, but believe me, on Blue GL it suck more than on most other classes (probably most than on any other class) and I do not want to double progress time of my group by trying to figure out how to do that.

[@Tanovah]

You aren’t even positional based: only people to complain are front attacker. You sound ridiculous lol

[@pistolero2518]

destro main here i gave up as well

[@m.m85434]

@@Tanovah first of all Blue GL is preferably front attacker even when it is not full entropy class. Second of all how does that matter? Single Ribbon is 360 degress charm AoE if someone got hit (which I cannot impact or predict) and in that moment I cannot get away by backjump. Backstep is big flower AoE all around the boss for which I again do not have answer. It is not that I fail that mech 100%, but too often. GL and front attackers have two completely separated problems, problem of GL is simply lack of space movement which can get you far enough to dodge several charm mechs. It is similar like G1 Thamine where boss do that two blue circles AoE grab, it is easy on every class but GL which simply do not have space to travel far enough is literally always grabbed.

[@mooiiinnmeiiisteeer3750]

​@@m.m85434 first of all: i cleared with 2 headattackers asura breaker (1630 main (mvp)) and red gl (1620 alt (2nd-3rd dps)) and it was fairly easy and didnt rly get charmed at all after memorizing all the patterns. yes blue is slower and got more spacebar cd than red but that shouldnt rly be an issue there isnt that much to spacebar anyways so it should be up for every single charm pattern. Single Ribbon is easy af to dotch if u arent the one stunned u got like 5 business days to go out. If u are always the guy getting stunned then either u should focus less on head attacking and loose like 5% dmg (aggro controll isnt that important in echidna) or focus more on wtf the boss is doing... Backstab is harder but u should NEVER get more then one stack there. Either u spacebar away from her or to her side in both scenarios u should at most get hit with the initial hit. Or just go zoomies with shield charge? Both Patterns arent damage patterns. Every single class has to respect them and drop dps. Yes u need a good uptime to do damage but who doesnt? I hope i didnt waste my time on someone whining after 5h of prog - a new raid needs time to get used to.

[@Tanovah]

List long of excuses that I refuse to read. You’ll never improve. Sorry to hear.

[@arciszero]

Its pretty dogshit design when there's a raid and you think to yourself "this would be so much easier without front attack classes >Gatekeep time.

[@Vezuls]

Prog was hard, but I never felt like Echidna herself was hard. You hit the nail on the head, in that it's like G5 brel. 1 bozo causes a reset. It was especially frustrating progging when everyone was new becasue it was obvious who learned fast and who learned slow. But seeing week 2, esp normal reclears, the raid truly is a joke. I think hard mode is on the level of our nerfed G3 Thaemine hard, but normal mode is easier than Thaemine normal

[@AceCapis]

hindsight is a curse on our version I must say. Absolutely every raid release we had was like this. People keep seeing those raids on KR version so much that when it releases and can finally play it, they act like they know the raid already. Its just tiring, every raid was like this firts week. my echidna first week was horrible because majority of the group i was were a bunch of parsemonkeys messing up constantly while cluterring coms about how they should not be dead,etc..... and this week no coms I cleared so fast😅😅😅😅 our worst enemy in LA is other players always been echidna is a fine raid cant wait to push more alts over there

[@PopeCummies]

Yea, this video in reality is just dog shit hindsight bias thrown in with some really bad Dunning Kruger effect. Every raid in Lost Ark has been this way pretty much for ages where people pretend like they know how to do a raid cause they watched a KR video a couple times and read the max roll and then get hit in the face when they realize practical application is a thing. I don't think these people who cry about these already pre-nerfed raids have ever raided on any semblance of relevancy or they'd understand that "hard modes should be hard". Bitching that you can't do a full pug mythic mode on launch week in WoW would have you ridiculed on the spot, as well as Savages in FF14 on launch. The reality of it is is that he just has to make these videos with terrible polarizing takes in order to keep engagement up because this is his financial income and logic doesn't dictate money unfortunately.

[@NolifeWarbalt]

i personally think g2 mommy is harder than g3 thaemine on hard

[@Monkeyrage22]

Progging as a loyal companion was so hard the moment you get charmed your hawk hits everyone 💀

[@sined9379]

Sounds like cauhty hasn't done the raid on a front attacker yet

[@killy2626]

quitting before this raid came out was the BEST decision i took this summer. And i was 1640 on my main.

[@ffhighwind]

They should increase the radius of sleep bombs and they should work even if the charmed person is dashing. It really shouldn't require 3 people throwing a sleep bomb to stop at a fast randomly moving target. I don't feel like this raid is THAT bad, but it's hard enough that most pugs can't clear normal which is not good when most of the gold and materials come from G2.

[@MtlFT]

The instant transition from mirror counters into big booba would make sense based on voice lines as well. She says "try to find me (?)" and so...we find her which should transition the fight into the next phase instead of going back to the original area

[@pily8438]

Personal experience, at the start it looks pretty hard! And tbh its hardest part is for sure from start till 135 bars. But after it became so easy so fast, it needs some coordination but ppl get used to that pretty fast. It was our fastest progged / killed raid ever for hard mode it took us only 8,5h (tbh i think maybe valtan took less - dont count abyss like kyangel or argos) And this week on reclears, we got it confirmed. Reclears are fast and most of the time clean even though its only second week (So far cleared 2x hard mode and 9 normal modes) this week missing just one more normal to clear, of course i must mention its in static group and for sure can see in pug it can be worse pain then thaemine

[@alexandreboutard6653]

The raid is excellent imo. The main problem is pretty obviously the DPS check in PUGs. I'm lucky enough to have a static and run it down every week, but on the two chars I have to go through pick-up groups, that's a really gambly-gambly raid. In NM atleast, I guess HM will be way easier since we'll be able to pump her in the near future! But NM might be a purge until T4!

[@ToRecallE]

a little advice that learn as a bar, if a player is charm in the ground, they can be CC and break the charm before they stand up. as Main bard, everytime i see people charm in the ground, i just Prelude storm them and they break CC, dont know how Paladin or Artist can do this because they dont have CC. Paladin can used a Tripod in one of the buff spell to CC but Artist have 0 CC :( funny side note: I got HIT by my pumper SE Reaper Scythe and didnt die, everybody in the raid was "WTF how you didnt die?" even me was, how im alive, while DD from my Sorceress hit me for like 400k.

[@TheKataclism]

I find this raid to be fun but jesus christ MCed soul eaters are things born from my worst nightmares

[@christofferhjorth2243]

i 100% agree with everything you say here, im kindof at the point, where either, i get a static, or i take a raid break from the game, and just do dailies and shit like that. as someone that got the patterns pretty nailed down, i still have an extremly hard time clearing because of the charm problems you mention in here. and as a sidenote, fuck the butterflies, they hide WAY to well, and i hate that you can barely see them until they're unavoideble.

[@czekskii]

body checks is why I am only ever gonna raid solo again. Sucks because the raids are fun af in LA.

[@BlazinBro786]

3:27 this reminds me of when thaemine was first released, GL and Destroyer got fooked because they would give thaemine gauge and nobody in KR wanted to let them in. destroyers players like i think benji wanted to quit that class untill they brought in buff to reduce it. These devs are clueless of their game, its unreal. thank god theyre not fighting game devs

[@andysledge]

The biggest bait and switch in gaming history. Valtan was peak then everything went to shit to be enjoyed for basement dwellers or overgeared whales only

[@dercuwuin]

bonk main, the earth eater popping the counter is traumatizing, like the good ol valtan days. mech starts after first charge bar

[@TheRealTrucido]

Raids should be fun, not impossible.

[@clementguitard6653]

i mean did you forget about ghost phase hm on ilvl with legendary gear ?, vykas hm g1 ? kakul g3, brel 5-6 hm without full ancient? what about thaemine g4 ? i think we got used of farming nerfed content (new brel, akkan, kayangel are very casual friendly) with overgeared char. we're here for challenges. i'm glad echidna g2 hm brings it a bit. i hope t4 will be challenging

[@SomaliSmuli]

Spent 25 hours in G2 on release week, at which point I felt more confident in the gate than Thaemine G3 at 10 kills. The prog feels like hitting a brick wall exactly because it's the normal patterns and charms that kill most runs. Then when people finally punch trough said wall and understand patterns, rest of the raid is just empty autopilot executing. It doesn't feel rewarding.

[@nlatole8067]

Hi new player here, I've only experience this raid by watching and it looks really cool

[@AndrewStormmancer1]

I pugged 2/4 of my characters during prog and it ended up being cancer cause people still didnt know the patterns in basement prog lobbies for some reason but once i cleared the first time and started going into reclear lobbies, the fight was much more fun and easy.

[@martinbudinsky8912]

Who would have thoutght that team people that already know what they are doing would have easier time compared to people that are learning? Mindblown...

[@AndrewStormmancer1]

​​​@@martinbudinsky8912 little bit of a cooked reply if you would understand what I'm even replying to. In the video cauttyh is saying that the raid is fun in discord but he finds it hard for echidna to be fun or easy while doing it with pugs even after clearing the first time due to the group mechanics in the raid. Maybe watch the video before going into comments and learn how to not be a tumor in the community. Thanks

[@martinbudinsky8912]

@@AndrewStormmancer1 Maybe learn how to write with context before trying to lecture someone while making absolute clown out of yourself. Thanks.

[@AndrewStormmancer1]

​​@@martinbudinsky8912 ??? The context is watching the video? Sorry there isn't subway surfers on the top of the video for you to focus and learn how to watch a 12 minute video you literal manchild.

[@AndrewStormmancer1]

​​@@martinbudinsky8912??? The context is watch the video that I commented on? Sorry there isn't subway surfers on the top of the video so you can focus and learn how to watch a 12 minute video you literal manchild.

[@matheusleite8813]

Echidna the static breaker

[@mr.fingerz9629]

Haven’t cleared started working recently so my time in game has fallen because of it. My experience has purely been pugs and tbh it’s been a nightmare. Seems like every lobby falls apart at mirrors/counter mirrors. This week every lobby has been reclear only lobby’s while I’ve been on. So I haven’t been able to hop into again. With that said from what I’ve seen the raid definitely seems like it would be very enjoyable with a static (mine sorta fell apart) so it’s the pug life from here. I really like the visuals 😂

[@DeViL11019]

I didn't clear, didn't bother progging further. Of course a lot of things came together, and I didn't want to leave the person I was progging with, because he had irl stuff going on. Either way, people make this raid way more difficult than it should be. Got to counter mech total of 2 times, of which we succeeded once, where the party was relatively competent, but very impatient, and disbanded not soon after. Other tries mostly we had some more pre-mades with front attackers, who were constantly charmed, and we didnt even get past 230x or something. People can't make a straight line, group then move out from venus flytrap... it's a struggle, can't be bothered progging further. People were already gatekeeping 10x reclear 1st week, what do you expect when T4 comes out to get the ilvl boost to make things easier? People are not going to accept anyone, and have no patience whatsoever.

[@WRSTxPumbaa]

Echidna does not test your skill. It tests your teammates.

[@leyingzhou]

Took 35+ hrs with 10+ different lobbies/groups week 1, was totally expecting the reclear to take 10+ hrs as well, but ended up one shotting it week 2... Yeah I get it now why Koreans called it easy, you need decent teammates

[@mandatorycorpaccount]

Cleared normal mode on first day (don't have hard mode charachter yet) - raid is easy. Though I see why people are frustrated, whenever where's something that forces you actually dodge and respect patterns people always cry rivers, wipe a ton, but still refuse to respect patterns. Mirror and counter mechs look puggable enough - people just need time to adjust, once they do it a couple times it's gonna be easy w/o voice calls. It's the same thing as 8 card mech in hell clown, it looks hard at first w/o voice, but once you do it a couple times you can speedrun it with barely any communication even in chat. the only thing I don't quite like is running rope mech - it's boring and I generally don't like something that obscures your vision too much.

[@Hrvatski96]

Can you make a pinnacle glaiv guide

[@kheath580]

as someone whos cleared it multiple times, and doesnt have any real problems with any of the mechanics or attacks, yes its too hard. normal mode shouldnt be a jail fest. they need to get rid of the second up top phase after mirrors, its a waste of time. they need to get rid of the little butterflies in the tether mech. the fight is too fucking long, and the average player in this game is just not good enough to spend an entire 15 minutes not making a mistake because one mistake is a wipe. and the charm is fucking jank and broken and sleeps barely ever work, on top of there not being any kind of grace period so they just die literally instantly after getting charmed from someone elses attack that already went out, or they kill someone instantly when they get charmed because they dropped a guillotine and got charmed before it landed. its just stupid. they cannot design these raids based on statics. most people dont have a static and dont have the schedule for one.

[@oalkie]

Ive soft quitted not cause of ekidna I just feel burnt. I log in to do thaemines then I feel like logging out. Just no motivation with alot of uncertainties of t4 coming tbh

[@bsr3075]

Until now, all raids on the NA server were significantly nerfed versions of the Korean raid difficulty. Echidna's difficulty is so low that the game director calls it 'easy'. I recommend running away before you face more bitterness in the future. Unless you are a hardcore user, it is very difficult to clear the early version of Lost Ark Raid. It was that kind of game originally, and it took a few months for it to be slowly nerfed. (And the raid played by NA users is a very easy version that does not exist in Korea.)

[@VinsLeMans]

I agree very much about G2 after mirror mech it seems weird and long to go back to the same phase And yea stacks should be like x5 for a charm and sleeps made more effective especially in NM

[@OOIEatte]

The raid punishes parsemonkeys. They heard that Echidna was supposed to be piss easy and thought that she'd be a trixion boss like the supposedly much harder Thaemine G3. They went in overconfident, and got clapped for hours by dommy mommy. Then they overreacted (that's why there was so much crying on Reddit week one). We are now at week two, and I think people are slowly realizing that the raid is pretty simple once you learn the patterns and above all, learn to respect them.

[@rammanjames]

Thae "mine" not thae "meen" :P

[@ajiwjaiwjaiwaji]

its Kamen .

[@foalie23]

Didnt help that atk didnt put the 0 bar mech normal patterns in his guide video

[@RedWill42]

It's just not a fun raid to pug since the personal responsibility has moved from just mechanics to basic patterns as well. A chain charm reaction because one person doesn't know the patterns is no fun, trying to organize people placing seeds and making a line is not fun. Then the mechanics themselves are kinda terrible. On coms with a static it's not a big deal, overgeared and juiced it's not a big deal. The average player in a pug environment it's a miserable experience. It also doesn't help that with the announcement of T4, T3 is extremely devalued and the motivation to give a shit is totally gone. A lot of players are taking a break until T4 then they'll come back and do whatever content they never got around to doing, assuming they come back at all. It's a rewarding feeling when you shake the Lost Ark sunk cost lol. I'm a 10k hour launch day player who cleared all prior content (except some hell mode) and after clearing Echidna I haven't logged back in, first break I've taken since the game launched in the west, because I simply don't want to deal with this raid any further and I've lost my motivation to do daily/weekly content in T3.

[@martinbudinsky8912]

I feel like this is partly because of how much they are rushing to catch up to KR. Lets be honest people had much less time to acquire lvl 10 gems in west. And we didnt even have Thaemine for that long so many dont have transcendence either.

[@chuan813]

G2 feels a lot ezier than g3 thaemine to me, at least if it's a hm vs hm comparison, a case can be made that the normal modes are about the same in difficulty.

[@razvikappa4515]

i dont see the problem with her, got 8x clears already without a static and raid is verry enjoyable!

[@Tanovah]

Prog was hard. Reclears are a joke. It simply punishes greed. All of my runs were quick in and out this week

[@RoyMustang4719]

yeah i was thinking they would be worse but all mine this week have gone pretty well so far

[@hubachecka]

What's "greedy" about randomly getting hit by a butterfly when tether mech happens? What's greedy about an artillerist setting up his turret inbetween patterns to be instantly hit by her dive charm wave? What class do you play?

[@Tanovah]

@@hubacheckaI play reaper, but prog/reclear with an artillerist who doesn’t get charmed OR complain. Keep practicing.

[@hubachecka]

@@Tanovah Should have known that comments are full of pro 0,01% gamer. classic

[@Tanovah]

@@hubachecka now you need to be pro 0.01% of gamer to clear echidna on your class? Delusional. No offense but either reroll or stop bitching.

[@EnergicLP]

reclear lobby 2nd week, g1 was oneshot, g2 we had to reset 2 times. It was just the first week that was pain cmon...

[@danielyari2354]

Echidna is not a difficult raid....but it turns into one when u have to coinflip the monkies of a teammates u get

[@shizuro4091]

this tbh. this video is worthless 12 minutes of nothing xD

[@lietome2153]

so you are a good player huh 😂

[@danielyari2354]

​@@lietome2153there is a very large distinguishable line between a good player and a monkey

[@ReservedAOC]

100% This is not a hard raid at all, its an anti-goblin raid. Get rid of those goblins who dont wanna do mechs/learn normal patterns and its such a difference lmao. The people who dont like this raid are probably the dps goblins

[@martinbudinsky8912]

This is terrible desing for MMO really. Getting rid of "casuals" - the lifeblood of most MMOs.

[@emmusing]

Just okay perfectly 😊

[@yunggod123]

this boss is literally a braincheck, the sidereel and phasing of the fight is designed to make it simple but greedy people in this raid can make it very difficult

[@tomstone123]

I came from FFXIV and it's always kinda interesting to hear people complain about mechs where if one person fucks up then you wipe. Cause especially in the harder raids in FFXIV, that's most of the mechs.

[@Vezuls]

FF14 has combat reses though. And yes, I know that dying gives a debuff, but often times, depending on who and when they died, it doesn't complete botch a pull

[@PrometheusReturns97]

The difference is that in FFXIV you can completely ignore end game raids and still enjoy the majority of the game. You can reach max level, enjoy the story and all the other things the game has to offer, with a decent gear set. In Lost Ark, the raids are directly tied to progression. If you aren't good at the raid you have to do them anyway in order to progress. On top of the fact that not only do you have this one raid to do, you have all your alt raids to do within the week or you get so gold capped you still can't progress, so people feel time pressure as well adding to the frustration of wipes. The system in Lost Ark has created so much elitism it's toxic - if you can't pull perfectly within a few hours you suck and should just quit.

[@tomstone123]

@@Vezuls that's why i said in the harder raids. In an ultimate on release, rez is pretty much just so you can prog mechs. Cause if someone dies, you aren't meeting dps checks. but yeah, as I said it's just interesting to see the difference, where in one game people complain about it. In the other it's just a way of life.

[@tomstone123]

@@PrometheusReturns97 yup, I get it. It's just interesting to see the difference of player reactions and the game design differences that causes this.

[@Vezuls]

@@tomstone123 well it’s also bc echidna is not supposed to be ultimate level. The only ultimate level raid LA has was the first mode prior to over gearing. This is a basic raid supposed to be a break raid after thaemine. That’s why ppl are upset about it.

[@saikame5833]

Seems like it's a good thing I quit a couple months back. My sanity is back and honestly, haven't even gamed since then either. LoA killed my motivation to game. rofl. Serious note, though, why is it that every new raid since Voldis always has a "is [insert raid] the worst LoA raid" content creators doing that type of vid? JFC, at this point, if that is true then the only people left playing are people in statics. What is the CCU count now? Like 10k on a good day? Season 3, T4 ain't saving this at all ... it's just a stall tactic. Ain't no way new players are generated when THIS is the reputation of the game.

[@pascualbad]

Fun game😂

[@Hydr312]

Bro G1 beginning is so cancer... you cant see shit... its so hard to see the big dragon shadow if azena if flashbanging you or all the small dragons.

[@sallverrhino6226]

I am hearing nothing but facts!

[@fgmxd4957]

In theamine if you a bozo who eats patterns you just die and get bused if people have enough dps. In echidna if you are a bozo who eats patterns you will kill everyone and hard jail the group forever. The mechanics that prevent others from clearing a raid because one person makes a single mistake have to go and never come back because they make those raids extremely pug unfriendly and not every has 6 statics, and you have to gatekeep so hard to make sure you only get overqualified people in that you might spend more time in PF than the actual raid. Echidna is a decent raid to do with a competent static, but really not good for pugging. Even people with 10x clears week 2 cause wipes, just saying.

[@almoglevy4410]

But what you are saying here is already known and a topic that has been discussed non-stop dozens of times and I think that after a very long time the majority of the community and also people who retired realized that the game has nothing to offer beyond Long raids that are tiring and not illogical which are more intended to discourage you from the game than to make you happy and after dozens of updates it seems that the game and the people behind it do not want to change the way and this is the reason why the game is more or less dead. The game was designed in hundreds of percent too groups of people who are willing to spend hours at an extreme level on the game, so I don't see a future for this game and it's only a matter of time until it's completely depleted. i mean they ready to give up on poggers and not change the game systems how crazy is that? allways from the start i said this game make 0 sense to me No matter how why and how much I will never be able to understand what goes through or went through their minds that they designed a game like this....

[@Imbasnap]

the MC mech isnt that bad if you had more than 3 hits and not being 1 min duration atleast in normal mode. normal should feel like old vykas where u get maybe like 6 hits before being mind controlled then hard mode bring it to 3. who are we kidding though. 2025 maybe we will see a nerf or improvements.

[@gentlycz]

for the counters we legit assign 2 players from each party with low cd and the 2 others are backups and do the pings, it works amazingly well since each person only focuses on 1 task but unless ppl push this meta it will only ever work within statics

[@antagonist372]

made we quit again... no cap

[@excoupe]

Nah, Thaemine is much better. I don't wanna hear the "danger ping" and get launched into the orbit because someone got hit.

[@andreappelgryn8022]

Solo Raids When. This Raid just yet again proves why LoA is loosing players with each new Raid. I'll sit this one out. I'll do it when / if it gets a Solo version.

[@oosto]

i tried to prog with a static and pubs, decided to save my sanity and not play for the rest of the reset after the 3rd day in

[@wojciechszuba5706]

Is it hard? Not really. Was it released too fast? For the materials given during that time i would say so, a lot of chars are simply not that juiced and it makes the raid longer which increase the difficulty. What is the biggest problem for me is that its basically 3 gate raid packed into 2 gates. They should finish g2 after big mommy phase and make the basement little bit longer but as separate gate. They didnt learn anything from brel fiasco

[@Pong670]

classic bullshit 1 bozo punishes the raid -.-

[@allyyyyyyp]

We are in a situation where in order to avoid mechs you have to have RMTd on g2g to overgear content bc of the content cadence and lack of localization to gold costs in the West. We will see another wave of ppl quitting with Echidna.

[@ffhighwind]

Already seeing it. People were burning out since Thaemine, but I know people who quit without even trying Echidna. I usually skip first 1-2 weeks of prog and regret it with the gatekeeping. I got a clear 2nd week this time but most pugs can't clear the raid so I don't know how long it'll be to get x10 title and skip the gatekeep. The average player is going to hate this raid.

[@emich34]

i think so yes.. its a very bad raid with extremely frustrating design. id rather reprog g4 100x over than play this shit every week

[@faint1346]

STOP SAYING THAEMEEEEEEEEEEN

[@HeiLong24]

IMO ... G1 is trash. Conceptually, it's cool, but it's annoying as homework. I personally like G2. but yeah I can't see myself pugging this.

[@TitChapR]

Honestly the raid is pretty nice, the only big flaw is how charmed ppl act and the status imunities from spacebar/floor and the pvp balance of the classes. Classes should be on the same power lvl once MCed. I play Scrapper, if i get MCed i'm doing nothing not even close to be a thread, but if a SH for example get MCed they are just gonna one shot someone if they have a frame to use a spell

[@purpleshadow1547]

solo version in just over 2 weeks :)

[@pangkamotegames]

yeah only up to voldis u still need to swipe to thaemine and echidna if u a new player

[@rc8929]

@@pangkamotegameshopefully Theamine goes solo in a few months because next month it is out of the top three in Korea, and maybe they will bring it faster to NA.

[@pangkamotegames]

@@rc8929 u scrub they wouldnt make thaemine for free its a f2p game lmfao they need money

[@andysledge]

@@pangkamotegames only play solo content until you get bored and quit, then come again when there is more solo content. Everything else is you = bozo

[@smith6017]

Player base skill is the issue.

[@MrDrusso]

Are you trying to squeeze up positive points because of the sponsorship?