Is Expansion Pac-12 THREATENING Big 12, Brett Yormark? Washington State, Oregon State Eyeing Revenge

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@I_AM_TMAC Ай бұрын

Coming from a BYU fan, Kansas State is a contender. Avery Johnson and the run game is too good (throwing will get better), offensive line will get better, and the defense is solid. They just ran into (before the win) an underrated team, late late night/elevation for them, and an inexperienced offensive line/qb that played in an environment that is unlike any other they’ll ever play in again

@RavenThom Ай бұрын

contender? for What???

@I_AM_TMAC Ай бұрын

@@RavenThom Big 12 Championship

@rickschwartz585 24 күн бұрын

Avery is a stud

@Eric-un2oq Ай бұрын

The pac12 could have cannibalized the big12 and didn't. Eat or be eaten, no conference should ever wait to consume another.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

The PAC had to have first seen its flight risks.

@stevedonnie4077 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406mhm instead it allowed those flight risks to veto expansion.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@stevedonnie4077 I'm not sure what the super majority is for the PAC for expansion. I will say that the BIG12 allowed TEXAS an effective veto over preemptive backfill. The ACC preemptively backfilled over the objections of some flight risks.

@stevedonnie4077 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 the PAC had an opportunity to add Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and OkSt in like 2011 and decided not to do it because of the Longhorn network. Then in 2021 USC basically vetoed the idea of poaching Big12 schools despite already planning to leave. The 2021 one was a small meeting of like 3 presidents and the commissioner, so it didn’t even get put to a conference-wide vote. Either way that’s twice the PAC should’ve gutted the Big12 and didn’t, which sucks for me since I’m a fan of one of the two teams actually paying for it.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@stevedonnie4077 a) When the PAC passed on TEXAS+3, it was in a stronger position so that it didn't have to accept the LHN. b) The PAC failed to survive as a Tier 1 due to cultural/demo changes in the footprint. I suspect that TEXAS+3 may have delayed its decline but wouldn't have prevented. The PAC failed to survive as a Tier 2 due to arrogance and delusion. Regardless, history tells us that the "lower" members of a conference will elect to delay the inevitable rather than be proactive and better manage a decline. We saw the BIG12 be reactive during its slow decline. The PAC was too delusional to be proactive. To be fair, while the PAC could have likely taken some BIG12 remainders over any USC/UCLA objections, likely not if WASH/ORE also objected, and they likely thought a B1G invite was secure (which wasn't at that time). The PAC surely could have poached after the USC/UCLA news until the BIG12 negotiated its new deal?

@CharlesFosterMalloy Ай бұрын

“Some guys are no.2’s - are Vice Presidents…” in reference to Drake Toll. Lol - funny. :)

@yellowmartian Ай бұрын

Short answer: NO Long answer: HELL NO!

@RavenThom Ай бұрын

LMAO

@ChowderTIO Ай бұрын

Love having Utah State in the PAC, but it’s not comparable to the Big 12. Apples and oranges. The Big 12 is a power conference.

@CharlesFosterMalloy Ай бұрын

It is if Big10 / SEC raids Big12 again and takes the best programs…

@KevinHampton-w3s Ай бұрын

Oregon State won more games in the past 25 years than Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State (ASU had to vacate 10 wins because it played ineligible players in those games) and Washington State. During that time Oregon State had a Pac-12 co-champion, had four 7-win seasons, went 8-5 four times, 9-4 three times, 10-4 once, 10-3 once and 11-1 once. In two seasons it came down to the OSU and Oregon winner to get into the Rose Bowl. And Oregon State was No. 20 nationally in TV viewership in 2023 (and the OSU-WSU game had 1.48 million viewers). The bottom half of the Big 12 continues to get horrendously bad TV numbers and Yormark is talking about basketball.

@zachmillang2903 Ай бұрын

Beavs baby!

@KalupAlexander-ny8xp Ай бұрын

Ball knower right here

@MarketAndChurch Ай бұрын

You and Spencer are perfect together. Hope you have him on the show more.

@DonM-bw3iw Ай бұрын

WSU and OS football teams are always scrappy and very often good, and they would have made the Big 12 more interesting because they would have given every one of the members a good fight. However, they wouldn't have given that conference major contenders for the playoffs. I'm glad they're trying to reconstitute the Pac 12 with regional schools. And no, they're not interested in revenge.

@LockedOnBig12 Ай бұрын

that is a generational suburn, almost impressive. - your intern, please don't fire me if you see this, hi drake's mom

@jaymcclanahan353 Ай бұрын

Welcome Drake's Mom. Your son has a top notch Doce Grande show!!

@apriltoll2498 Ай бұрын

@jaymcclanahan353 thank you!! Now if I could just get him to wear sunblock!😂

@jaymcclanahan353 Ай бұрын

@@apriltoll2498 😂😂😂

@Mr.Ed_Wayner Ай бұрын

IMO B12 should only add ACC schools that come available if it’s FSU, Clemson, Miami & Louisville.

@stevedonnie4077 Ай бұрын

The only reasons I could see the Big12 regretting anything is 1) that PAC war chest was available but is now getting spent. 2) those corner Mountain Time teams could get sick of 8pm start times. 3) OSU was building huge momentum in football you could’ve rode but then got dashed. Those aren’t massive reasons, but if things snowball elsewhere or if the Big12 adds WSU/OSU down the line theres a chance they end up thinking they should’ve just done grabbed them in first place.

@FLanklinBadge Ай бұрын

As a Nevadan, there's only one proper way to pronounce Nevada. Don't believe Spencer.

@SvdSinner Ай бұрын

As an Iowan, it is hard. We've got a town about 15 miles E of Jack Trice named Nevada, IA (pronounced NeVAYda) 15 miles SW of Jack Trice is Madrid, IA (pronounced MADrid)

@FLanklinBadge Ай бұрын

@@SvdSinner I grew up in Las Vegas, but my in-laws live in Ames and I live in Des Moines. It took a long time to get used to the way Nevada, Iowa is pronounced. But I bought a car in Nevada, IA and the Berry Patch is a great place to take the kids. I'm a lifelong BYU fan and an Iowa State grad student. Go Cougs and Clones!

@yellowmartian Ай бұрын

There's a town in Missouri also said as Ne-VAY-da @@SvdSinner

@ryanm9628 Ай бұрын

Fresno, Boise, Washington, and Oregon would do well in the Big 12.

@scottyking7161 Ай бұрын

So would Memphis

@Argonhubert Ай бұрын

Do you mean Wazzu and Oregon state? Oregon and Washington are already in big 10

@RavenThom Ай бұрын

Oregon will do quite well in the B1G thank you

@RavenThom Ай бұрын

Mountain Pac, or Pac West when both settle and marry?

@dallasshipley9118 Ай бұрын

I heard that the Pac 12 has invited Utah State. They are in talks with UNLV and also UConn for football only and Gonzaga.

@zenshinroshi186 Ай бұрын

The only team in the New Pac the ne new Pac offered was SDSU at 15 million per year. I suspect they might get an offer in the future.

@CharlesFosterMalloy Ай бұрын

Resume: 20:00

@kevinmatthews7180 Ай бұрын

Eventually Washington and Oregon State leave for the Big 12, making the PAC 12 the Mountain West.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Why are the former PAC members okay with the PAC name lingering as a heavily diminished brand? Surviving as a Tier 2 seems easily acceptable, but as a Tier 3 or worse?

@HMbeav8404 Ай бұрын

Gotta admit, it’s pretty gangsta

@realcandidtrader Ай бұрын

It will be funny when Boise State dominates on a national level over the next few years and the pac-12 is the "best of the rest" and then becomes a power conference again. Also, when Gonzaga joins the pac-12 for basketball it will be top 3 basketball power conference. San Diego state - 9/10 basketball school. Gonzaga 10/10 Basketball school. Tournament teams from 2024 - Utah State, Wash state, Colorado State, Boise State made the first four, Gonzaga and Wash state. Gonzaga will be a dominant team every year and San Diego state just got done a few years ago playing for the Natty. Pac-12 in Basketball will be granted power status and I think if one of their teams wins a natty in basketball it will carry over to football as well. I expect the pac-12 to eventually be power status again but it will take 5-10 years or someone to win a natty in football or basketball.

@CheapMobileGeek Ай бұрын

Memphis beat Boise State on the football field last year...where it counts. They are not the Boise State of the Chris Peterson years.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Unless the new PAC can get some 4Cs and/or CALFORD to return, it has no feasible path to rise to the Tier 2 level. "Power" status is different for football and basketball. The BIGEAST is a "power" in basketball and has no football. UCONN basketball will wither outside of the BIGEAST. The ACC is UCONN's best move, but the ACC has no interest now or in a likely future.

@Mountaindwell4 Ай бұрын

@@CheapMobileGeekBoise sucked last year tho. Probably the worst team they’ve had since 2000. Definitely a better program than Memphis overall

@AmmoEntertainment Ай бұрын

PAC 12 needs the zags and St. Mary’s

@SethWray-i4r Ай бұрын

Nevada has only one way to pronounce it. If you don't think so then you are probably doing it wrong Spencer.

@gentleman_dc Ай бұрын

Today's show is brought to you by... the SUN! holy shit lol

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Spencer is just too moronic on occasion. The BIG12 is 3rd (at best) in men's basketball, and that's only after its recent peak years: Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024. 2020 N/A) ACC: 9-5-3 B12: 5-3-2 (Excludes OK; includes Houston) BIGEAST: 6-4-4 SEC: 5-0-0 (Includes OK) B1G: 7-3-0 (Includes Oregon & UCLA) ACC - Appeared in 7 of 9 Final Fours (6 different teams) BE - Appeared in 5 of 9 Final Fours (2 different teams) B12 - Appeared in 4 of 9 Final Fours (4 different teams)

@mindaxiom3651 Ай бұрын

Is that a red Drake Toll?!?More like "Baked Droll"

@KevinReeve Ай бұрын

No, the Pac-12 is just old Mountain West caliber teams, which are older WAC teams etc. As the big conferences expand, the low lying ones contract.

@krishoward7285 Ай бұрын

Drake, you need to go to the hospital. Sunburn can kill.

@ShawnKilgore Ай бұрын

Big-12 oh hum now that Oklahoma and Texas are gone who would anyone want to watch? There's nothing there.

@westernciviccapital3075 Ай бұрын

Dude... zero west coast venues for a team like Utah is completely untenable. If, say, Utah and Colorado or Utah and ASU were to jump to the PAC... the PAC as described below woukd be way better than the Big Lubbock. Hear this: If done right the new PAC will incorporate the 2 most football crazy regions in the country: the South and the Mountain west. Memphis and Tulane UTSA (or Texas State) and Rice Utah State and Wyoming South Florida and Southern Miss UConn and Georgia State 16

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

The new PAC has too much G5 filler to attract the 4Cs and/or CALFORD.

@CharlesFosterMalloy Ай бұрын

You guys are missing the point, here’s the threat: IF PacX gets a $15+ million per year per program media contract & adds the best of each of the other G5, suddenly they have a very attractive conference that looks a lot like the Big12, arguably with better venues, and if in the next round of media contracts PacX returns the favor & gets the next contract first, Big12 could languish like Pac12 did, and if SEC/Big10 come calling at the same time, like what happened with Pac12, then Big12 is in big trouble. Big10 could very well go after a number of Big12 schools, including but not limited to: All 4 of the Corner4 schools; Kansas WVU Iowa St SEC could go after any number of Big12 schools, including but not limited to: All 4 corner4 schools (especially Colorado and Arizona); WVU Kansas OkSt KsSt Texas Tech UCF ? If the SEC/Big10 strike again, how will the Big12 backfill if PacX by then has a comparable or better media contract ?

@haroldflashman4687 Ай бұрын

No way PAC 12 gets a $15M Deal. And none of the schools you mentioned bring incremental value to B1G or SEC.

@UCFatz Ай бұрын

Go Knights

@russelldesertvikinganderso3386 Ай бұрын

UFO/UAP sighting Drake?

@kogspinz4 Ай бұрын

There is no power 4.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

We currently have a tiered P4.

@mindaxiom3651 Ай бұрын

4 automatic bid confrences.

@RavenThom Ай бұрын

5 auto bids 7 more, 4 sec 2 b1g 1 acc teams lock it in (committee loves clemson regardless of how bad they are

@kogspinz4 Ай бұрын

We have one super conference, two power conferences and 7 other conferences. The ACC will not be a power conference sometime this decade and the B10 is not a super conference due to their lack of national championships. Two championships in twenty years is pathetic.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@kogspinz4 Conferences are not determined by football alone. It's more holistic. Remember that the SEC is the worst P5 in men's basketball measured by the Final Four over the past 10 years. Not even an appearance in the championship game.

@stevehancock7539 Ай бұрын

Pac will be better than the big 12

@RavenThom Ай бұрын

no matter, SEC B1G are so far ahead it isn't funny

@BoomGoesTheDynamit Ай бұрын

Looks like ACc will take the top Big12 programs and the rest will fall to the MtnW/Pac12 third tier.

@squareknight Ай бұрын

Living in Fantasyland I see. The ACC is 1-3 good teams...and 15 check cashers that are mostly irrelevant. And the top 2 teams desperately want to leave.

@yellowmartian Ай бұрын

Lol dude take your crazy pills.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

The ACC internally considered and rejected every new BIG12 member. Has already backfilled for ~3. At what point would the ACC need more backfill and why would there be mutual interest between BIG12 members at that point?

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@squareknight a) The BIG12 has no big football programs. b) The BIG12 is already Tier 2. c) The BIG12's top 6 (net) teams have already left. Why no self-awareness?

@squareknight Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 News flash sherlock...The ACC is on the same level as the B12. The difference is, the ACC has only 1-3 teams capable of making noise on a national level. No one cares about the other 14. In the B12, there are at least six teams as of now that could go to the playoffs. The ACC currently has 3 ranked teams...the B12 has 5 (with another currently still undefeated team that could get ranked in the next week or two). Last year, the ACC was 0-2 vs the B12 in the regular season and 1-2 vs the B12 in bowls. ;-)