Is EXPENSIVE Oregon Pinot Noir GOOD? Blind Tasting w/a BURGUNDY

[@drmatthewhorkey]

🍇 Looking for more Pinot Noir? 📽 Single-Vineyard Pinot Noir BLIND TASTING: kzbin.info/www/bejne/roOanpqhpbZ4oK8 📽 Cheap vs Expensive Pinot Noir BLIND TASTING: kzbin.info/www/bejne/omLGf5ycn6mtg80

[@NoSediment]

Matthew, great video. I watched with interest. We keep hearing that Burgundy is this expensive region (and it’s NOT cheap), but it was one of the cheapest in your flight and it delivered! I love Oregon wines and was hoping to see White Rose in the flight. Cheers 🥂🍾

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Yea, I wasn't expecting it to show so well. I know you were just in the region. In a previous video, I did have a Left Coast, Blanc de Noirs still wine from Pinot Noir and it was lovely.

[@rnjbond]

Hey, two of my favorite wine KZbinrs!

[@DX-HBK-]

I live in Oregon, and I have tried a lot of pinot noirs. So far, I would rank Andrew Rich and Bethel Heights as my favorite. The Eola Hills and Bednarik from Andrew Rich are exceptional. The Casteel from Bethel Heights is very special. Walter Scott also makes amazing Pinot Noirs as well

[@drmatthewhorkey]

So many amazing wines in the state!

[@AttorneySomm]

I'm a big fan of Oregon wines, both Pinot Noir and Chardonnay. I visit once a year and was just there last month! I'm familiar with a number of the wines/producers from this video so enjoyed your comments!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Do you have a favorite producer? I'm always open to learning.

[@AttorneySomm]

@@drmatthewhorkey There are a number of producer that I enjoy, but you might try Violin. Very low production and reasonable prices. On the higher end, Thomas and Kelley Fox,

[@nicklhuang]

Bought the rovsya glasses you used in this video and they're really great; thanks for the rec

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thank you for trusting me!

[@BigBobDookie]

The Eyrie Vineyards IMHO, is one of the best Oregon producers. Hundred Suns, Big Table Farm, and Trisaetum are also very good.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ohhhh all of those are very very good!!!

[@toddupchurch1028]

Missing Brooks here.

[@dustinplatt1481]

And Eyrie is one of the Founding Vineyards!!!

[@laurencestewart3828]

Thanks for tasting Willamette (rhymes with d*mn it) valley. There are also some good Rieslings coming out of the area as well. My go to in the area is Argyle winery. They have a nice tasting room too.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thank you! I do want to get more into Oregon Rieslings, I heard there's a lot going on there with the variety.

[@MichaelDenzel-qj8dz]

Great stuff Matt. Another video hitting close to home for me! Keep 'em coming.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

More to come sir!!!

[@antonioj.castaneda7377]

Ok, I need to try more Pinot Noirs now, you convinced me! Great information, in depth observations and tasting notes. 👍 🍷

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks for watching! Pinot Noir is such a finnicky grape and while it's lovely, tasting it often requires a lot of ruminating.

[@WineTerroir]

Great episode Matthew. Blind is always fun.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks. I look forward to doing one with you in the future!

[@fingersfinesilver]

What a wonderful video. I really got into the enthusiasm.. Still watching.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Wowww thanks! I hope that does come across

[@fingersfinesilver]

@@drmatthewhorkey it really did. Whilst I'm drinking Chilean Cabernet Sauvignon. Wish i had a. Pinot noir

[@decantswithd]

Great show! As you said Pinots are complex and can show very different. Over time I came to like the more expressive CA Pinots more then Oregon, particularly Roar. When it comes to Burgundy, all bets are off. Some high priced are super, while I am having a hard time finding great stuff that is affordable.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

You hit the nail on the head with Burgundy. What region of California do you like the most?

[@MattLPayne]

I live in the Willamette Valley and have tasted at over 250 Oregon wineries. Your choices were good but there is sooooo much more and many much better and yes some more $$$. 😀

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I have to make it out there again soon!

[@damayor62]

Outstanding as always Matthew. I'm hoping I can find a few of these locally at similar price points. Thank you and keep up the great work.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks for that! I hope you find good stuff, enjoy the Pinot

[@PursuingImpact]

Greetings Matthew! Love your videos and what you’re doing. I like how you are switching up between shorts and long videos. Your videography is outstanding too. Keep up the great work!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Wowww thanks so much on the videography tip because it's something that I'm never happy with but run into problems being a one man band. I appreciate it

[@64Peder]

Did you corvin those wines? How do you think it works? Do the wines stay ”fresh”? And for how long? (If you ever tested). Thx for answer! 😜

[@drmatthewhorkey]

You can check out my Coravin videos on my How to Save and Preserve Win Playlist on the channel homepage for this...

[@gustavomgomes]

I really love Pinot too! Really hard tasting , since Oregon produces very old world style pinot ! My favorite pinot in a “reasonable” price is Kosta Browne from Cali! But I usually don’t like the more powerful Pinots of the new world ! Cheers and great work again !

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks a lot. I'm also a big fan of Kosta Browne. My favorite all-time inexpensive Cali Pinots are Au Bon Climat and the Pinot Project.

[@awc723]

if you want to treat yourself and not break the bank to a top notch Cali Pinot...look into Papapietro Perry Pinot....I promise you you'll love it....

[@12Trappor]

Great video and a surprising outcome! I think it would be great if you could show the filled glasses a little more during the tasting, and perhaps put the brown paper bags to the side.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks a lot for watching and the suggestion. Surprising outcome indeed!

[@jeffreymiller9808]

Zena Crown Vineyard is close in Proximity to the Cristom Louise Vineyard. I guarantee everyone would have a completely different take on these wines at 7-8 years from vintage. Cristom and Beaux Freres are by far my 2 favorite Oregon Pinot producers…..but they need time to develop. Great Video, really enjoyed it ✅

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks! Yes I believe a lot of these will be in different places with time in the bottle. To me, Pinot Noir is the toughest grape to blind taste. Thanks a ton!

[@tgbedini]

I'm a pinot lover, have tried many. My budget is modest, but I splurged a few times on Chassagne Montrachet rouge, and I absolutely loved it. It actually seemed a bit like nice Carneros pinot, but more complex and elegant. I wonder if I'm alone in my opinion.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ohhhhh way to go!!! I think that Oregon does wonders in entry level Pinot - $17-25

[@andreasbassett7386]

Awesome video! Love the in-depth tasting notes you provide and then the details of each winery/wine maker in the reveal. I'm learning a lot! We also love Oregon pinot noirs. Came across a low to mid tier one called "Love, Oregon" by R. Stuart & Co., which we thought was pretty delicious. Would love to hear your take on Portland, OR wines (in or around)! We've heard good things about makers like Teutonic Wine Company, and we know Pheasant Run Winery in Aurora (just south of Portland) makes killer wines too.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks a lot. I know Teutonic but honestly, I don't know the wines in Oregon professionally as well as other regions of the world. I gotta make my way out there.

[@pt79dk]

Was the Pommard a deliberate choice? I mean it is usually fruite forward and thus makes good sense in a US pinot compare. Have you had the chance to taste Kosta Browne? One of the best US pinots that I’ve come across so far. 🍷 Cheers

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Kosta Browne, the icon!! Hahahah yes I picked Pommard bc some producers in Oregon feel like it’s a decent comparison in style

[@blueswan2175]

how do you know which one will age well or not? thanks ahead of time

[@drmatthewhorkey]

All these wines are made in a way that they should develop nicely over ten years. Which one will age the best?? That’s really hard to predict

[@larsio72]

Fun! Your descriptions and reactions pointed to number two right away :-). And your comment on points, being potentially wrong but putting one’s butt on the line rings very true.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ahhh thanks! Yes that is my personal ‘points’ philosophy

[@compellingimaging9170]

Raptor Ridge, ridgecrest vineyard (owned by former owner of chehalem before it was bought out by Bill Stoller), Longplay, and Et File are all great smaller options to check out sometime!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ohhh thanks a lot!

[@NickDeWachter]

Nice lineup. And very interesting to see the different characters popping up. It just shows how much you can learn from blind tasting different wines next to each other. Oregon Pinot noir is somewhere on my backlog. A long backlog . Too much to discover, don't know where to start actually 😄

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I’m actually impressed about how much you cover on your own!

[@NickDeWachter]

@@drmatthewhorkey I just watch a lot of KZbin 😂

[@drmatthewhorkey]

and taste a lot!!

[@WineWorldTV]

Solid Oregon lineup. I visited Cristom and Stoller. Only as tasting appointments. I didn't get to do interviews there. The mountain view at Cristom was killer. Hamilton Russel's SA wines are really nice. I haven't had the Oregon project yet. Not familiar with the Pommard producer, but I'm sure it's great. My preference, in order - Taz, Sancerre, Oregon, Burgundy, NZ/Rest of OZ, then the rest. Cali is normally not in my top picks except for cool climate. Stereotypical Cali is too fruity for me. Even though Burgundy isn't the top for me, I definitely won't turn it down and I'll buy it too. It's just not the first one I reach for for the money. 1er/Grand Cru or really great Village is a different story.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Wow Tasmania ends up being number one for you? I’ve tasted some nice Tasmanian Pinot Noirs but overall I thought they were a little overrated

[@jeffreymiller9808]

Hamilton Russell must be leasing a block of Zena Crown vineyard, because Jackson Family owns that vineyard site now…

[@joe-zp7ge]

ive tried ovder 75 different pinots and the three best are kosta browne, domaine serene everstad reserve, and beaux freres! their are many fabulous pinots but these are consistent

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ohhh three big names!!! Great wines

[@kentrobinson4605]

Really enjoyed your selection and comparison of mid-range Oregon pinots; these are really strong wines, but at reasonable prices which many can afford. Willamette Valley Vineyards whole cluster Pinot Noir will add some tannin and funk notes. More expensive and aged Oregon Pinots will have the leather and funk notes. Many more producers, and a range of soil and clonal variation, all point to the need for another flight blind tasting. Several Southern Oregon Rogue Valley producers do tempranillos in the Reserva style which exhibit the leather aromas. So for reference (and other Oregonians offer up some better phonetics): Wil-laamm -ette, Eeeola-Amity, and Chehalem (sch-eh -- hay-- lem).

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I’ve heard about the Temrpanillos down south there and want to try more of them. I gotta get down there again!

[@Blair338RUM]

Great tasting. Wish we could get more Oregon wines here in Australia. Speaking of which if you ever see Farr Sangreal or their single vineyard Cote Robert and Patricia pinots; buy them immediately. The Cote 2015 was preferred by a bunch of Parisians over a Burgundian producer’s 2016s which included a Grand Cru….the French winemaker was in shock.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I love the wines by Farr! You’ll see some Aussie Pinots on the channel soon.

[@Blair338RUM]

@@drmatthewhorkey Look forward to that, mate:)

[@dustinplatt1481]

Just found your channel today!!! So excited to hear your comparisons, but also am curious about vintages and AVAs!!! I love vertical tastings as well as lateral comparisons, because I believe most producers in the Willamette are releasing thier wines too early, and ageablity is important. How would a 7 year old Ribbon Ridge PN hold up against a 4 year old Buegundy? So many fun questions and exciting adventures to be had with that!!!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks a lot and I’m glad you found the channel. There’s a lot more to come!

[@ryanlee2280]

Great video! I completely agree on the 17-25 dollar range for good Oregon Pinot. A couple of my favorites would be Iris Vineyards and Willamette Valley Vineyards. Good wines for their price points! I like earthy and leather notes in my wine also so I may have to seek out that Burgundy and give it a try. Cheers 🍷

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Wow I haven't tasting the wines from those two producers... I will check them out. That Burgundy was recommended by a shop owner that never fails me.. and man it was GOOOODDD

[@tberreth33]

Typically Oregon Pinot’s in that $17-25 range are the table wines - OK but just barely that. One of the issues here is that GOOD Pinot’s cost $$$ unfortunately. I haven’t found many good, low priced Pinots and trust me, I’ve tried a lot :). Willamette Valley is OK. Haven’t tried Iris. Have tried many, many from Dundee and Carlton and they are noticeably better - the soil up in the hills is more volcanic than in Salem (Willamette Valley). Erath USED to be decent and low priced, but not the last few years… All in my opinion of course! Drink what you like :)

[@davelawrence1856]

Thank you for a very interesting tasting. The Hamilton Russell wine from South Africa retails in the UK at about £35 or less than $40 including tax. There are some other great pinot produced in a small area close to the sea. I am not sure if you can get Bouchard Finlayson wines in the US but it is well worth trying their Pinot along with Newton Johnson Estate.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I do want to taste Newton Johnson. Hope to make it to South Africa soon

[@gunnarsonesson5883]

Again, really interesting tasting! Didn't know Hamilton Russel makes Oregon Pinot - one of my favorite producers outside of Burgundy. My fav Oregon PN is Archery Summit, followed by Dom Drouhin, but haven't really tasted that many to be honest.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ahhhhh our palates collide again! HR is one of my favorite New World Pinots too

[@wren460]

Great video !!! How about a tasting of Beaujolais ? Not the cheap stuff, go for the more serious ones.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I do want to do that eventually, a tasting of all the Crus...

[@awc723]

makes sense...Oregon and Burgundy are both on the 47th degree Latitude with similar weather pattern...most common notes are cherry cola and poop...

[@FlintIronstag23]

The 47th Parallel is way up in Seattle Washington. Oregon Pinot Noir is mostly in the 45th parallel with some in the 44th.

[@EgmondDekker1]

Can get the droughin chardonnay really cheap its recommended ?

[@nikolajkrarup8750]

Very interssting video. I like the fact that a Burgundy that wasnt insanely priced won the flight. Generally i mainly stopped buying burgundy after most of them has got statosferic prices. But i recently bought michel and march rossignol volnay les pitures 18 and Beaune les Teurons 20 at very fair prices. I have some great oregons too. I love Pinot noir when they are great.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ohhhh what great prices! I love Pinot too but am disappointed more offen than not

[@nikolajkrarup8750]

@@drmatthewhorkey Yes true. Same for me.

[@ongcheonghock]

I spent 4 months in Salem, Oregon in 1992. Sadly, wine in the Willamette Valley was still in its infancy. Not too many available in Singapore but those that i have tried tend to be a lighter style(more like Cote du Beaune? What do you think?

[@drmatthewhorkey]

My opinions of Oregon Pinot Noir keeps changing as the wine keep improving rapidly. I just shot a new Willamette Pinot video, stay tuned!

[@maryverzella9841]

Just ordered the glasses , thank you :-)

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thank you, let me know how they are for you.

[@maryverzella9841]

@@drmatthewhorkey Love the glasses! Just tried one out with a 2017 Muga Reserva...very nice on the nose and palate. Thanks again ...Cheers :-)

[@drmatthewhorkey]

@@maryverzella9841 ahhhhhh Muga Muga!! I love that wine.

[@dmkays]

I would love to see you review some of the Pinot Noirs from Emeritus Vineyards like their Hallberg Ranch, and William Westly from their Russian River Vineyard, or their Pinot Hill East described as a bottle of Fog, or their Pinot Hill West, described as a bottle of Sunshine, both from their Sonoma Coast Vineyard. Or their Ruby Ruby Rosé, or their wite wine, Hallberg Ranch Blanc. I buy a mixed case or two each year from them, but rarely have seen expert reviews of them. I think that they are excellent Pinot Noirs, but may be a little biased. I took a tour of several Sonoma County Vineyards about 6 years ago, and I thought their wines were the best among the Vineyards I visited.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Emeritus shows up in a Pinot video that was recently released…

[@dmkays]

@@drmatthewhorkey Thank you. I will look for it.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Another Cali only PN video coming soon

[@dariusmark7302]

tasting in burgundy, the Pommard is special. the one we tasted was pricey, but it was very nice probably going to regret not shipping one home.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Niceee

[@nikolajkrarup8750]

I really like your chanell a lot. You shold have much more followers. I watch wineking too they have A LOT of folowers. I hope you get much more as well. Keep.op.your good work👍

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Wowww thanks a lot... Yes, Jaye and Peter are buddies and they are quite funny on camera together.

[@n.t.4077]

Great enthusiasm but the exercise was flawed due to the wide disparity of vintages shown. 2019 was a great Oregon vintage and no wonder the Cristom was the least liked as it is not drinking yet. If he had tasted a 2014 then it would have come first. I have drunk a fair few Oregon wines and have found the really good ones start coming into their stride after about seven years. It is a fascinating area and the price/quality ratio is one of the keenest for PN in the world.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Like I said in the tasting, I expect that wine to be much better with age as I do like their wines

[@schlepers]

You should compare, Oregon, Santa Barbara, and St Rita Hills.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Nicccee, I love SBC sooo much

[@schlepers]

@@drmatthewhorkey The Super Bowl of tastings!!!

[@changfachou]

Blind never gives boring results

[@drmatthewhorkey]

😎🤪

[@hottuna2006]

Not surprised that you picked the Burgundy. I keep hearing how Oregon PN is similar to Bourgogne but this a variety and style where terroir and wine-making really comes through and I have yet to meet an experienced wine drinker who would confuse the two. With that being said, I would love to try Joseph Drouhin's expression of Oregon PN.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

The Droughin Oregon PN is very good but pricey. I would like to do more tastings like this but since all the producers are small, samples are hard to come by and if purchasing the bottles, you can bust your budget in a hurry!

[@dustinplatt1481]

Oh, then Dr. Matthew, you must come and visit!!! The Willamette (pronounced Will-AM÷ette, like Corvette), is an amazing, diverse place. Shea sells his grapes to a dozen different producers, and the Chehelam soils are very sandy, so it would be fun to contrast vintage and AVA. Cristom, from the Eola-Amity AVA is also one of the older Wineries. Eola Amity, (where Brooks is also, has an Incredible diversity of soil types, and is actually a mini-mountain range with dozens of soil types and microclimes. It stretches 10-20 miles south of Dundee (Dundee is called the red hills for its iron rich soil, and is known particularly because of another founding father Dick Erath). So much great stuff here, with a diversity of expressions!!!

[@psschroe42]

Are you using a Coravine?

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Yessssirrr

[@deejay3947]

Oregon Pinot Noir’s are my absolute favorites. Almost exclusively drink that wine. If you get a chance try a bottle of Andrew Rich PN. You won’t be disappointed. Cheers!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ohhh I don’t know Andrew Rich. Thanks a lot!

[@DX-HBK-]

Andrew Rich PN is phenomenal. His Eola Hills along with Bednarik are the best of the best

[@Neurability]

Drinking a Martin Woods Badnarik Vineyard Pinot tonight. Evan is a great producer - this wine is unusually light colored and lightly perfumed. Not a lot of either fruit or acidity. A bit linear. Maybe an off bottle. 2019. Other bottles from the same year and vineyard have knocked my socks off. Not this one.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ohhhh I haven’t tasted that producer

[@drmatthewhorkey]

What are the prices?

[@comesahorseman]

A great deal depends on what clones of Pinot you are growing and vinifying. And that's for starters.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ahhhhh a clone geek! Niccceee.

[@comesahorseman]

@@drmatthewhorkey 😅 to the core!

[@gooseman480]

Hello, I'm lucky to live in Oregon. Drouhin's label "Roserock" make great Pinot, worth a try. Also Beckham Estate. Really love the Josephine glass by Zalto for these.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I haven’t tried Beckham yet, thanks for the reminder

[@dustinplatt1481]

Beckham is amazing, and if I remember correctly they are using Amphoras also!!!

[@ryvirk]

Fossil and Fawn Willamette Valley Pinot is great value. Biodynamic and only $25

[@drmatthewhorkey]

GREAT value for money!

[@ruthridenhour297]

It looks like the bottles haven’t been opened when you do the reveal. What’s up with that?

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I use Coravin on all the bottles to extract a small tasting pour.

[@ruthridenhour297]

@@drmatthewhorkey Ah ha! Thank you for taking the time to answer. Love your videos!.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

I will start pointing this out more in blind tasting videos as some people that aren’t familiar to the channel get confused too hahaha

[@kcb5150]

Could you try some wines from Virginia/West Virginia?

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGmUgnaobsemjMU

[@kcb5150]

@@drmatthewhorkey Really interesting. They have the same price problem the wines here in NY have, if anything, it seems slightly worse there (though the price of a ny saperavi vs a good Georgian one disgusts me). Been curious about them ever since I watched someone driving through West Virginia and the terrain just looked glorious for vineyards if you mentally subtract the climate.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

American wines are often more expensive than Europeans. Cost of farming is more expensive

[@kcb5150]

@@drmatthewhorkey Yeah but some states are just brutal. NY can't really hone in on a decent sub $20 price point like Washington state or California can and that is down to the state govt doing them no favors. I don't even think they got any tax incentives like breweries did here till 2016... They should be bending over backwards to invite the investment if temps keep creeping up because the potential is huge given the quality leaps the wines have made already. I don't have huge hopes for long island long term due to flooding potential but certainly upstate.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

ahhhh you are dialed in!

[@michael7324]

I was in my local wine store last night and could only find two wines from Oregon. Everything else was from California. Not a fan of California Pino's.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Yes you gotta get some shop that is passionate about them

[@Juan-tk1qp]

Dang! Look at this curated list of Oregon Pinos get flexed on by the relatively inexpensive Burgundy you “just randomly threw in” to the blind tasting.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

It wasn’t my intention but it is what it is…

[@TassosT]

You really belong to the the "old world" Dr.!! Let's issue a european wine passport for you! Love both regions and I guess at some point higher quality Oregon PNs give Bourgogne some competition but it's not that easy to fight centuries of tradition and knowledge. (and such a different terroir -oops- I used the forbidden word-sorry!!) Sometimes my Cloudline was a only bottle I could afford and I'm still a big fan of Oregon wines. I would go for the Stoller in that case though. Any opinion on the Shea PNs?

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Hahahahha you might be singing a different tune with some future videos coming up hahahhah. Cloudline is still a delicious wine.

[@rickkan4870]

Cool video even though I am not a fan of Pinot noir

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ohhh really? Why not?

[@tberreth33]

Living 25 minutes from Dundee, Oregon, which is THE wine area in Oregon, I like the review :) Oregon Pinot’s are really underrepresented. Just for reference, Willamette is pronounced Will-ammm-et, and Chehalem is pronounced Sheh-hay-hem. Stoller is good but not amazing compared to others like Domaine Serene. Would love you to review some other Oregon Pinot’s at some other time! Again thanks for trying these out!

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Thanks so much, Domain Serene definitely produces some good stuff. You are in the land of good wine!

[@narrowistheway77]

Dundee Hills is by far the best AVA for Pinot Noir in Oregon and Domaine Serene Gold Eagle from a good vintage is utterly astounding!

[@alastairgreen6783]

Something can't be most unique. Something is unique or it is not.

[@senator558]

Willamette is pronounced “Will-AM-ett” not “Willa-MET”

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Got it

[@alastairgreen6783]

You mispronounced Willamette.

[@Cuyt24]

my dad is gay

[@drmatthewhorkey]

Ok…

[@edebube]

Totally overpriced siroup.

[@drmatthewhorkey]

to some it can be, us wine geeks value different things in life...