Is Forza Motorsport Good Now? - Nick's Notebook

[@syphe0]

You mention GT career mode at 20:00, I can't agree, the career mode in GT7 is the worst thing about that game, not a single race is an actual "race", you start at the rear of the pack and have to pass 15 odd cars which are all lapping 4+ seconds slower than you, it's mundane. Conversely, in Forza, while it's not perfect, with the difficulty at 6/8 I find myself more often than not having good races, last night for example I finished a race in 4th place starting from 12th, with the leaders best laps marginally faster than mine, it's a much more realistic race experience.

[@NickdeBruyne]

That's actually a good point. I actually wasn't clear enough that I liked the general format of the career mode more, rather than Forza's menu-events. As for racing itself, it seems like both of them have some work to do. I would love to get more career races with qualifying too. I wanna try hard to get a good spot and then work hard to try and meet a target. Sort of like F1, if I've qualified 5th I'd love the game to give me a target like... try hold position, or try beat your rival who is two cars ahead or something, not just podium or gtfo.

[@RumblerGaming]

The cafe menus and the license tests are super fun, nothing like that in forza.

[@MariaShiranui]

I sort of agree- I want the comfortable CarPG career aspect of Gran Turismo 7, without the bad race design they have going on there.

[@whatsgood-reviews]

Forza’s career races just don’t feel right at the moment too. We’ve had a bunch of races this week again where we are on full difficulty and just manage to make the bonus practice time, but then in the race set up it says we will come third or higher unless we pick a starting position of around 12th or more.

[@mark.082]

You are right but as lackluster the campaign is you still have circuit experiences, licenses and more content to clear. Even the shitty cafe menu progression is better than what we got in FM.

[@ishaqgt946]

I never played this game. My pc won't run. But i love watching this beautiful game. Wish i get to play this one day

[@Outlawproductions582]

My i5 9th gen struggles to run this game at 60fps i wish it was like horizon 5

[@ishaqgt946]

@@Outlawproductions582 Have you played Forza Motorsport 7? It should run better on your pc.

[@matt0xx76]

have you tried installing it on an ssd?

[@labombaromba]

I've been playing alot of FM2 lately and I played so much FM4 back in the day, currently on the fence about this game. From everything i've heard, the singleplayer is still really lacking in the new game. It's really sad because FM4 had hundreds of events. It also had the World Tour mode where the game would take you across these events automatically by rotating between tracks (because the player is 'travelling across the world) and showing you three different events with different rewards each time, based on what car you've picked. It was such a natural, varied and easy approach to progression without taking away freedom.

[@whatsgood-reviews]

Forza Motorsport 4 will probably always be my favourite of the bunch. Epic memories of both the career and multiplayer.

[@nikolaig1]

I need more to do. Career is funish. Im getting tired of grinding 3 hours to level 50. To get brand affinty. Cut the time in half. 1.5 hours. Its a bit absurd.

[@scottrathmanjnr]

I enjoy it, the driving is realistic enough to enjoy it on the wheel, but the amount of newbs is crazy, the matchmaking doesnt work, amd the penalty system punishes the victim 90% of the time

[@CatLover_69]

Even if the penalty system was amazing, people would only complain since the 1% of the time it acts wrong feels more impactful than the 99% of the time it's right. I don't think a penalty system in a racing sim will EVER be perfect.

[@marc_nificent90]

@@CatLover_69 except grand tursimo

[@suhulfx]

@@CatLover_69 When an AI robot can spectate the race like a human then it might be - Never know in 5-20 years gaming will defo still be massive

[@scottrathmanjnr]

@marc_nificent904 worst game I've played on a wheel was gt7 was arcade like and I could never get it to feel like a real car on the wheel no matter what I did. Also the road in any view just slides under you like you're not even on the road it's weird to drive, I still prefer ACC out of any of them, but I prefer the driving and feel of the road on forza more than both, just my opinion

[@117johnpar]

Its telling when even my predictions of the youtube tag farmers didnt come back around this time saying "Forza is ACTUALLY GREAT NOW" never came around. Genuinely so few people actually play the game. By rebooting themselves "From the ground up" they've further lost any definable identity to the entire car community and are now just know for their game being "problematic". And not in the political way. But in the 'its got so many little problems no one is even bothering to play it' way. I counted it dead in December. And even though they have made 2 distinctive updates that has shown even a cynic like me that theres still a glint of inspired passion there. I still dont think there is a path forward for the series. Not without significant time, and in their case, money. The studios story is the same as every other in the industry. Too much bloat, No passion. Old guard are leaving or being pushed out by certain specific interests. and middle management middle managing. Its a spaghetti mess that leaves everyone holding the bag but the investors and execs.

[@MJMoonwalker332]

Things I'd like to see Feature tours permanent Open tour car rewards in the shop once it ends All open Class available in multilayer More monthly Cars Better graphics on xbox and remodeled Cars

[@wwjnz9263]

I normally play at medium settings without Ray Tracing due to performance issues (weak CPU older GPU). Last week I turned RT on and to my surprise I lost nothing in FPS. A couple of hours ago, I turned RT back off and set the game to ultra, and I finally started seeing hits to the FPS. So I settled on high performance settings but ultra car and high track, and the game looks good? This cant be. I see no DLSS artifacts, the FPS barely drops below my soft-capped 75FPS. Thats on Daytona, Suzuka, Hockenheim and Hakone. It looks like they made good on fixing performance on weaker CPUs.

[@whatsgood-reviews]

That’s actually pretty amazing, or should it have been like that in the first place? Either way it’s good, but there’s such a worrying trend of “we’ll fix it later” in game development and publishing right now.

[@Dave062YT]

Have you played it recently btw ,if so what do you think?

[@whatsgood-reviews]

I did do an update video about 3 months back with the endurance update (link below), but been busy with other things for the last month or so but the proximity sensor is a really good new feature and it’s not hurting to have all the new tracks added to the roster. It still needs work though, especially where career mode is concerned. Forza Motorsport's Endurance Update Is Making Me Optimistic kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXTCknSXoZqUis0

[@thestoicwhinger]

I've actually started to enjoy the gradual upgrade system in career, it's fun to play around with tuning and find which upgrades gain the best performance. The AI is suitably aggressive at higher difficulty and I don't always finish first, it's actually tight racing

[@prophetate]

cool video :) I am happy to hear someone also want to have a race serie with stock tuning on the cars, where you actually can choose car A and B Like ford vs ferrari, bmw vs mercedes, porsche 911 vs nissan gtr etc. Thanks again for your video and great thoughts and comments :)

[@ForTheChillofIt]

Forza 4 had the best campaign set up i think.

[@ThePhilberto]

Microsoft should have closed down Turn 10 and given Forza Motorsport to another development team. Every Motorsport since 4 has been a disappointment. Built from the ground up apart from the cars, AI, livery editor etc. etc.

[@jrfirefiher]

Hell nah not right now because they are still making fable

[@ThePhilberto]

​@@jrfirefiherI wouldn't trust them to make me a cup of tea

[@k.r.99]

@@jrfirefiher bro what?! 💀 Fable is made by Playground Games

[@k.r.99]

Without Turn 10, there's no Forza Engine and no Forza Horizon. The provide Playground Games with most, if not all car models and many licenses.

[@jrfirefiher]

@@k.r.99yes got confused 😔✋

[@brandonmccarthy9224]

The biggest problem is the game doesn't friggin run man, it hasn't had stable performance on PC since day one

[@willfudge8131]

Latest update says they did a lot of optimization fixes. Game also went from "will run ok" to "will run great" on the pc app for my computer. Have you played it recently? Thinking about trying it again...

[@dennischen8887]

@@willfudge8131 really? that's promising to hear. My sim racing set up has been collecting dust since 3 months ago because the game was running so poorly.

[@sairatv2313]

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[@thestoicwhinger]

I was having major problems too with game freezes. Ended up limiting framerates to 60 vsync (booo) but no more crashes mid race

[@nikolaig1]

My game has been max settings on a 1080 p and been runnings at 144 frames since February

[@QuickSticks8771]

Is it likely or even possible for them to fix all this with updates?

[@thepaywall7900]

I find when I notice a lot of rubberbanding on career I wait til everyone bunched up and take the lead car out 😂

[@dcampbell97]

I like the simplistic nature of Forza....it is getting a lot better with every update. I like that it is all racing and really no drifting or hitting bowling pins etc. Definitely would like to see some more content in single player like spec series stuff like that and continue to improve AI and as you mentioned the system of if you are not good in practice you shouldn't be in the race either. Also add a qualifying option in career mode like multiplayer. So yes it can be better but I really am enjoying the game as it is right now.

[@dominicreid7434]

I was a huge fan of nfs shift when I was young, and forza motorsport is an improved, modern replacement for that. Gran turismo was always a different beast from these games. I loved gran turismo 5, but it didn’t make me dislike games like nfs shift.

[@whatsgood-reviews]

Didn’t the the NFS shift guys go on to make Project CARS?

[@Ultra-Lightning]

I actually just went back to NFS Shift 2 and im having so much fun

[@FullNietzsche]

NFS Shift had a much better single player career mode. It had different objectives which were fun and challenging to achieve. In FM there is nothing to do at all, it's all pointless.

[@Aussious07]

What a frustrating game I just tried several times to start it up and just got stuck on the first loading screen...So typical of Xbox these days as the bloody DVR has also not been working for weeks now.

[@whatsgood-reviews]

So what happened, stalling at the loading screen? Also did you say your DVR hasn’t been working? My Xbox had an issue recently where after i played for a bit the captures would stop working and then I wouldn’t even be able to get into the Xbox settings or even shut down properly. I was worried it’s the storage that’s dying, or maybe just a dashboard software issue so I opted to do a factory reset now and see how it goes but I need more time to test.

[@sam9708]

It’s an amazing name with several flaws. I never felt a grind with previous Forza games. But it’s so hard to own cars, they want you to buy cars with real money, after you’ve already purchased the game. You used to be able to spoil yourself with cars and have too many to drive. You used to get awarded cars, yet now you have to grind or pay with real money. It’s a disgrace and everything that is wrong with games nowadays. But the actually driving is amazing and the best yet in any racing game ever in my opinion

[@whatsgood-reviews]

The game is also in a lot better shape now than it was when it first released.

[@maxskullic9879]

When it comes to knowing where the other cars... You have to use the Force..... and if that don't work, use your Spidey sense! (just joking, or am I) I spent over half my life driving for work and fun. I could 'Feel" where other cars were, I can't explain it but its truly strange! Its like I turned my brain into a driving computer that can predict what others on the road will do, might do and what's the chances of them doing one over the other. I even used a retired Police car as I didn't have as many people pulling stupid driving moves, gave me a bit of a 'Danger, Don't Hit Me Look" as I drove down the road at over 120mph... daily! If I wasn't born with spine issues, I'd have started racing before I was through high school! Sadly my spine has held me back from doing anything but driving as a speed courier, at least until I got rear ended 3 years ago while at a red light. (I seen the truck coming but I was blocked in and took the full force of the truck hitting me at around 60 to 65mph breaking my seat and throwing me in the back seat while still belted in the driver's seat) Now driving a real car hurts me too much to enjoy it as any bump feels like its shattering my spine. I put more miles on Forza than I do my real car. I still have super driving skills and super fast reflexes, that's why I play Forza with a wheel... It's the only way I can use my skills I based my whole life around.... (yes, I'm depressed as I'm hurting too much to even play my game right now and I'll leave it at that, Trust me, you don't want to hear anymore about my sad suffering existence)

[@versusforward]

I too loved the progression in the Gran Turismo games, but haven't owned a console since the ps2 - I play on PC these days. Looking for any recommendations of racing games with a similar system as GT?

[@andrzejradek9279]

Maby Assetto Corsa with Content Manager - Carrer mod

[@mark.082]

Emulate the old GT games. Not only there is nothing quite like GT, but the racing game market on PC leaves a lot to be desired nowadays. Sim racers are fine but you don't get any sort of progression there tbh.

[@sestenwhen]

I keep going back to it but bottom line is the cars, even upgraded and tuned are just underivable. They changed the tuning. It's too complex. It took me over a year to learn to be a good tuner in Forza Horizon. Now the same settings I used in Horizon do not work in Motorsport. Every car just spins out of control too easy, just touching the brakes! If they wanted to make it immersive they failed out of the gate buy starting with stock cars. No one takes a stock car to a pro track. IT SUCKS!

[@wildnugget1675]

Massive skill issue. Don't blame a bunch of icons for your incompetence. Took you a year to get used to tuning in Horizon? Seriously?? Takes half an hour. Honestly. Sounds like you got filtered. Might be best if you find a new hobby.

[@Flying-Fox19]

Most sequels for any system is "dying" for PS5 and Xbox. Helldivers 2 and Palworld, both original games got to shine. Forza Horizon 5 desperately needs pedestrians/animals so urban areas feel alive like any open world game like GTA franchise. After 4 games still nothing. Hell NFS needs it also. AI cant randomly generate?

[@luisalves11]

Doesn’t NFS Unbound already have them?

[@FLOYD-MAYWEATHER-TBE]

The first forza game to make you think you’re playing gran tursimo

[@slavche]

Yes. (is Forza MS good now? = yes).

[@sleepyatdawn7648]

Dude complaining about proximity marker when the reviewed mirrors are showing someone approaching the car lol.

[@Squishmallows24]

If you own a ps5 and a series x and get the urge to play forza Motorsport, just don’t and play GT7 instead lol.

[@DZSherpa]

Sad PC noises

[@donkey9113]

I’ll buy a ps5 only for this soon.. I’m done waiting

[@slavche]

Bro, we all have our own opinions, and I understand that, and respect your valid opinion here. However you said, it doesn't mater if the cars are good, tracks are good, PHYSICS, are good, GFX are crazy good now too. IT all doesn't matter because.. people crash online in race games.... People crash online in race games... in GT7 too... nobody ever crashed in GT7? I remember crashing online stuff in gt6 sport having penalties BUT NOT GIVING A EFF anyway.. BOTH games need to do better with crashing. I LOVE forza' system of EVERY CORNER is being counted, so at least you have that in your mindset every corner so as to inspire people to not crash for their own times sake. however, I get your point, BUT, if the REST of the damn game is LEVELS above anything I DONT GIVE A EFF. I'll just play with. "drivatars" or some sh*&.. I'll play the CAREER builders cup cuz it's pretty long and COOL, the career is SICK, and the ONLINE races are SICK man. The game IS SICK.. yes there are cashes in online mode... like other games. Peace :D (my opinions)

[@MartiniPinball]

No, its a piece of shit. Also why doesn’t anybody talk about the menu ui

[@whatsgood-reviews]

That’s a good point. The UI could definitely use improvements. I also don’t like that you can’t tell it to set your current car as the show car and also have it be the default for when you choose, as well as when you go to designs and tunes

[@BargoTheBandit]

Nice video buddy

[@whatsgood-reviews]

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@pktrsho6055]

From the future: No, No it isn't.

[@Iron_Ghost_]

I immediately noticed that you're a local boet

[@whatsgood-reviews]

Lank bru

[@zeusGamingXbox]

They build the best racing games in the world. And you Want to give it to somebody else why????

[@FSMangoJuice]

The game isn't stable yet even on series x it still crashes graphics are up and down one minute it looks great the other it looks like crap the penalty system is no good we need more gt3 cars and the career mode needs a spark they need to address the multi player theres a lot of manipulation in there so it's never a fair race cars are being modded with cheats .

[@Antares2]

I apologize if this comment is a bit harsh but... please make a written script instead of this rambling style. This is so painful to listen to that I couldn't get past 5 minutes. I still have no idea if the game is good now.

[@whatsgood-reviews]

No worries at all, thanks for feedback. I’m still experimenting and while the channel has mostly had scripted content I was looking for a way to just sort of get some thoughts out and genuinely didn’t think that this video was gonna get seen by too many people compared to others - but again I appreciate the feedback, I’m still finding the groove and what works.

[@Antares2]

@@whatsgood-reviews Yeah, I get it. It's just that I personally get very frustrated when I feel a video doesn't get to the point. No hate though.

[@rabbi619]

This game is unplayable on amd 780m this broke my driver i had to reinstall the driver as it froze during gameplay i had to do a hard reset as i couldnt do anything but i dont know if it happens on nvidia maybe it dosent as i also played using the 4050 but didnt see any problem i did play only one race due to me being scared because of the freezing issue i thought it would happen again.

[@whatsgood-reviews]

How does a game actually break drivers? I didn’t even know that could happen.

[@Nerdbuilt]

Iracing is still king

[@sbp6326]

No

[@quebecpower978]

Turn 10 should just give up. They are a meme farm content now.

[@kubyy90]

i have fun with it but still waiting till Assetto Corsa gets on sale (xbox series x) and i don’t really have experience in sim racing maybe thats why i like it

[@MRD0889]

Just wait for ACE Don't bother with AC ATM.

[@Joje76]

@@MRD0889 AC is regularly on sale for under 10$. no reason not to get it.

[@DCFTW68]

Car sounds still meh 😢

[@Guitarsoulmadness]

TLDR: NO

[@rocketleaguevideoclip3170]

Turn 10 Suck

[@GrotrianSeiler]

It’s so much fun, it’s addictive. If you don’t like it, your standards are too high. It’s a great game. The customizable options are endless.

[@austinbaccus]

"Google, define cope"

[@tzeffsmainchannel]

Your background music has this *very annoying* "breathing" sounding instrument in my right ear that keeps going on for the entire video! *I won't like your video* because of this! Sorry! 22:23 I've been listening to that "shhhhh" in my right ear throughout your entire video, bud! 😖

[@whatsgood-reviews]

Thanks for the feedback, I’ll look into it. I tend to hear higher pitched sounds than some people hear and it really annoys me when it affects me and no one else even knows about. For eg, if I play Starfield with headphones on, there’s a super high pitched whine that happens when I activate the scanner (I don’t hear it when playing on speakers) but it sends my tinnitus into a complete spin on headphones.

[@whatsgood-reviews]

Hey again, I’d like to ask you something. I was trying to look into this. Can you give me a rough idea of exactly when it starts and if you only hear it on headphones or phone speaker, tv speaker etc.

[@tzeffsmainchannel]

@@whatsgood-reviews 1 - I'm using a headset with splendid stereo sound reproduction, 2 - The "shhhh" sound plays whenever that jazz music is playing, 3 - I first hbear it at around 0:20 while you're speaking...AND that jazz music is playing! *And it played on and on till the end! AAARRGGHH!!!* 🙀🙉 (not during the game replay!)

[@whatsgood-reviews]

Ok got you, it just be coming through more probably because it has good bass, luckily that music was a once off so I won’t be using it again in future.

[@whatsgood-reviews]

Thanks for the response btw, appreciate it. Always looking to improve.

[@dionlandon479]

It's always been good....its actually great...better than GT7

[@calebneeley9678]

Tuhtututuhdayyy junior

[@gaztech1935]

Gran Turismo sucks ass its terrible

[@whatsgood-reviews]

You really sound like you don’t like. What don’t you like about it?