Is Forza Motorsport Still A Scam? 300 Days Later...

[@textknown7171]

“Disrespectful” is a compliment for this game

[@AlanFormula12022]

True. FM2023 expectation: BUILT From the GROUND UP. FM2023 reality: BUILT FROM GROUND DOWN.

[@csabamartintovissi5971]

​@@AlanFormula12022built from dirt

[@FranquitoMV2004]

​@@csabamartintovissi5971not built at all

[@darkninja9499]

😂

[@HG504X]

100% is. This game is not what they promised us, it failed to be any kind of serious competitor to GT7 and ended up being a reskinned Forza 7 with half the content.

[@FedericoFroebel-dw4je]

As if GT7 was any good to begin with. GT7 is absolute trash: -- horrendous track environments with 2d cardboard trees from 20 years ago -- no physical or visual damage -- fake collisions that look like table tennis -- no dynamic weather on every track -- all cars sound the same: the exterior sounds like the interior as if you had the windows fully closed -- Every update sucks: ambulances, fictional (vision) cars, and fictional tracks, while FM gets proper racing cars and real-world tracks -- No ray tracing on gameplay -- In the last update they broke the game with an horrendous bug that makes it more unplayable than it was before. Forza Motorsport, despite issues, laps GT7 30 times

[@SpitfireTheWolf]

@@FedericoFroebel-dw4jechild detected. Sorry you got scammed out of 100 bucks for a half-assed game

[@lesig1297]

​@@SpitfireTheWolf lmao

[@lucasvdb073]

​@@SpitfireTheWolf real, he doesnt even know what hes talking about😂 yes they broke the game in the last update. But for that to happen you need to tune your car so precisely to even let it happen. The game is far from "unplayable"

[@heithyboi]

You definitely haven't played Forza motorsport 7 if you think this is just reskinned fm7. For starters the whole progression system, physics system, game engine, career, MP and gameplay are all very different. And as for GT7 it's not even a competitor to GT6 it's literally just GT sport with some added features

[@existentialselkath1264]

STILL marketing the game using visual settings that aren't available even today. Theres next to no actual fixes in each update, just dripfed content and a TON of fomo.

[@simeonyves5940]

This Game is a Poster Child for why I feel FOMO should be illegal!

[@Sh4dowgale]

There are some fixes, but a lot of the things they fixed shouldn't have been there on release.

[@TheTyisawesome]

​@@Sh4dowgalelol exactly they are literally still finishing the game...

[@MeganeMondeoMX5]

The funny thing is, all of the FOMO content has been poor, and usually cars from prior games. Never feel like I'm missing out 😅

[@heithyboi]

They generally fix a lot with each update but the rest you're right about. The game is in a pretty big free state now and all it needs is content but instead they're putting even less content into the game because that makes sense

[@dh4os]

if you play a lot, especially online, you will notice a lot more annoying bugs, crashes, loading etc etc

[@allisterforest1842]

2 months later there are now different bugs (not less)

[@goatlps]

Especially online? Well, there's only 'Career', and Rivals, and they're totally pointless, so T10's couple of P2W online races is all there is, and if they don't feature your favourite car you have nothing at all to play. LOL.

[@allisterforest1842]

@@goatlps the only class thats remotely P2W is X class, but it's not like most the people who race it haven't already bought access to the AMR Pro Valkrye

[@SunnyWave174]

Yes, yes it is. Gran Turismo is way better.

[@Its_Me_Romano]

It always was

[@rabbidcrazy787]

It's no better.

[@rabbidcrazy787]

Plus, it's still not on PC despite other PS exclusives like Spiderman or God of War being on it.

[@rabbidcrazy787]

@@Its_Me_Romano More like never was.

[@Ignacio.Romero]

Of course GT is better. Forza lives on GT's shadow

[@MeganeMondeoMX5]

When you have a sim rig set up, and proper racing games like Assetto, ACC, BeamNG, rFactor 2, Richard Burns Rally etc, I struggle to find myself wanting to play Forza Motorsport like I did in the good old days.

[@aidanfriedfeld8889]

My thing with assetto, rfactor, PC2, and iRacing is that they aren’t games really. They’re just simulators for racing and that’s it. Theres no progression, no upgrading and customizing cars or whatever. Which is great for people that want that. If you’re just looking for raw racing experience for sure ACC and rfactor are gonna be your go to. But like gran turismo isn’t quite as realistic perhaps but it is still a game. This isn’t to say that there’s anything wrong with ACC or PC2 or iRacing. They’re just different from what GT and Motorsport are going for. BeamNG and automation make for a fantastic combo tho I must say.

[@MeganeMondeoMX5]

I know what you mean, it's the car collecting, and garage building aspect that seems to elude those games I mentioned. They're time trial simulators 😅 I just wish there was an "indie" dev that could make a realistic car progression, car collecting, RPG style game. ​@@aidanfriedfeld8889

[@chrisnorrell7489]

@@aidanfriedfeld8889 The progression in those games is you getting better at racing and driving. Not just getting access to the rest of the game

[@aidanfriedfeld8889]

@@chrisnorrell7489 of course. But that’s more similar to the progression get by getting better at anything. What I mean is that I find, other than that they are both realistic racing sims, comparing something like ACC or PC2 to something like GT just doesn’t quite make a ton of sense because aside from get better at racing (or if you’re playing ACC on pc a ton of mods) there just isn’t that much to do in dedicated sims vs something like GT. Again this isn’t a negative towards ACC or other dedicated sims. They’re just different. For me personally I think ACC and PC2 are great I just never had the urge to really dive into them because my goblin gamer brain would rather pour time into GT where I can spend money on car upgrades and get that sweet neuron activate moment when I get a shiny new car.

[@heithyboi]

In the good ol days I wouldn't touch Forza if I wanted to play on a wheel meanwhile this game is actually really fun on a wheel. There's just almost nothing to do in the game whereas the games you mentioned have stupid amounts of content to play around with

[@Unprotected1232]

GT7 was technically sound but had unsatisfactory progression. Simply put the game made you buy a bunch of cars you don't use to complete arbitrary checklists in order to progress the game. GT7 was actually vulnerable yet Team Green dropped the ball with Forza Motorsport. The nonsensical progression systems, the technical issues, poor performance, and paired back visuals. Xbox has had a bunch of botched releases; Halo Infinite, Redfall and Forza Motorsport. I wish Gran Turismo vs Forza Motorsport was a clash of titans. Instead it's a clash of something underwhelming and something that's definitely not built from the ground up.

[@gr4mas144]

Starting half lap behind first car..... That's the worst part

[@Dhovakim]

Battle of mid. If only gt7 was on pc at least

[@darkninja9499]

​@@Dhovakimno

[@Pinsonneaultmotorsports]

@@darkninja9499the creator of GT is considering a pc release

[@mikeallan7740]

@@Dhovakim People that call everything mid are just spoiled brats.

[@GR1MRACER]

As a diehard forza fuckboi, go to the Forums and see that _ALL_ of the forza players are Extremely pissed off at Turn10 and their lack of everything. Hell after the stock market crash I thought they all got fired because there was no update this week.

[@Minerva886]

Fm8 singlehandedly made me a gt7 player 😂

[@apophisstr6719]

Forza as a series had died since the moment they released FM5, the entire community was shredded to pieces because of how poor the community features had became from that point.

[@tsu177]

​@@apophisstr6719 yep, it feels like the forza motorsport soul died with the xbox 360

[@goatlps]

@@tsu177 true. And at the time of FM4 the tiny flaws would annoy me, so I expected improvements on the next gens. But the games got reduced, till we now have FM8 being like a demo disc for FM4 on the 360! LOL, but terrible. What little's left is even broken.

[@dmacneil88]

Since motorsport 3 and 4. They have gone down hill badly. Ive been playing since forza 1 ​@goatlps

[@starletsuperturbo1293]

Forza got reduced to shovelware quality with a AAA budget it's such a pointless game

[@lucasrem]

You need Arcade racing, NFS !

[@rishojohnkennedy9729]

@@lucasrem lol NFS has gone to shit too tbh

[@danifit24]

@@rishojohnkennedy9729nah unbound is fun

[@goatlps]

Shovelware? You mean demo disc?

[@Sheen334]

I enjoyed the older games. Was disappointed with this one though.

[@EndlessFunctionality]

If "You will own nothing, and be happy" was a game.

[@tylerthere5832]

Can't wait to play this game in my 1x1 cubicle rental home 😊

[@rhdbenchmarks]

I hope they shut Turn10 and give the game to another, more passionate, team. 3 fucking months and they still haven't fixed connection issues they introduced themselves. They simply don't care.

[@joshbacon8241]

They just care about money from all the people that got suckered into buying this game…

[@tudytudy3316]

Lmao, turn10 made a shit ton of money. Thats the point

[@goatlps]

@@tudytudy3316 did they? Not for long. MGS pocket most of it, I'd think. And most players just tried it on GP, then left. Why would anyone buy FM8?

[@lesig1297]

The Crew Motorfest was robbed and you can't change my mind.......

[@orangegalaxy2820]

Agreed

[@FedericoFroebel-dw4je]

The Crew Motorfest is a boring FH5 copy but with far worse handling, FH2 graphics (at best) and lacks consistent updates. It got scored 76. Get over it.

[@mohammedhasib451]

​@@FedericoFroebel-dw4je What makes Forza horizon 5 fun exactly?

[@FedericoFroebel-dw4je]

@@mohammedhasib451 ask the +40 million people who play it.

[@mohammedhasib451]

@@FedericoFroebel-dw4je oh you mean the most random generic audience of a racing game ever? Alright lol

[@airsoft9077]

I got it and stopped after like 3 weeks. Its just lame. Rally didnt happen, awesone grapgics didnt happen, more customization didnt happen, better driving physics in my opinion didnt happen. Its like a 2 year game that took 6. The progrssion is so lame. I mean its insane to me that they could spend that much time to make a game worse than forza 4. They really killed the franchise

[@Sh4dowgale]

Same.

[@takuminightcore1886]

This is what happens when you hire your contract people to build a game that they only have 18 months on their contract don’t blame turn 10 blame Microsoft

[@joshbacon8241]

Why does Microsoft do this to avoid having to pay out employee benefits to them?

[@tehangrybird345]

@@joshbacon8241that’s the exact reason

[@santinodelgado281]

"Don't blame the unskilled developers, blame the higher ups who run the company!" The developers are the same if more to blame for this hot mess. Stop blindly defending devs when they make bad decisions or game design choices. Pretty sure 50% of things in this game are the developers' doing (example the reused assets). Use your brain.

[@BladeBrigade7]

​@@santinodelgado281 dawg as bad as devs could possibly be, if they're getting rotated out every 18 months iont think theyll be able to do jackshit regardless of skill

[@santinodelgado281]

@@BladeBrigade7 ah damn I forgot about the rotations mb

[@falcongamer58]

It still is. I played it for the first time on game pass recently and I got so bored I didn't finish the modern tour of the career mode

[@atilla9063]

Welcome to the Forza games

[@XboxStation-xh8cw]

Dude you have been hating FM long before it even launched. Did a Turn 10 dev steal your girl?

[@MannequinSmiles]

motorsport's focus is purely on its online multiplayer and i personally have no problem with that.

[@thejdmunknown4228]

I forced myself to have the clk gtr I didnt bothered to get the reventon Single player is still boring The update 10 sucks af,the evo 3 is cool dont get me wrong but outside of that it was disappoiting Hell,i didnt played much this game recently

[@XboxStation-xh8cw]

@@thejdmunknown4228 if you say is boring, you simply don't like to do races with cars. You have no love for actually using the cars. Forza career structure gives you the chance to use almost every type of car, while GT7 makes you collect them to keep there without using.

[@muhann4d]

I currently own an Xbox One X. I held back at purchasing the new Series X because I was like “I’ll just wait for the upcoming Forza to come out and bundle them and maybe buy special Forza edition Xbox..” sufficed it to say that I bought a PS5 and now playing GT7, and play Forza horizon on my current Xbox.

[@danquaza9275]

I gotta say post update 9, the new HDR and lighting changes they made are fantastic, the game does actually look much much better now

[@DefinitiveAccess]

I thought something looked different when I picked it up the other day... more contrast. Haven't played in months.

[@mark.082]

Honestly i'd rather if they try to make a meaningful changes to the game instead of adding more eye candy.

[@mikexhi287]

Nearly all cars feel way to heavy and understeer like crazy. When I switch to AC it feels like a blessing and that’s like 10 years old

[@fajaradi1223]

How does it feels compared to Horizon? If I remember correctly, Horizon doesn't do trail braking right.

[@mikexhi287]

@@fajaradi1223 horizon is a arcade game with very little realistic physics. With a wheel it’s just „funny“ not even tries to be realistic. But I had a blast with a controller

[@mrtizer6672]

The handling is the worst I've ever experienced its understeer city and pisses me off

[@aeppikx]

@@mrtizer6672 tune your car correct set wheelbase to 1080 i have no understeer problems at all

[@coolieee]

@@aeppikxyou dont have understeer that you notice or you just dont play actual sims bc holy shit the cars feel like shit no matter how good you tune them & thats not saying they dont feel decent but compare it to a non tuned car from any other racing game including gt7 and youll see why people shit on it... i truly feel for the people who only own an xbox bc theyll probably never experience an actual good racing game

[@karelmucha4277]

playing with wheel in 3rd person hurts my eyes

[@aki_Kimura-7]

One thing miss abt blackpanthaa's thumbnails is when he adds a purple lighting on his face or around his face I wouldn't say it's dame but there is just something missing

[@BlackPanthaa]

Noted, thanks for the feedback! 🙏

[@Polten]

Glowing eyes and some lightning would be nice as well.

[@primenacer3595]

I really wanted this game to be good but it sucks so badly! Online racing is shite, can't even make the slightest contact with another car without losing all control of the car. The wheel literally goes almost totally dead for half a second, especially if someone touches your rear quarter panel. So frustrating I had to stop playing it. I'd rather play asseto corsa even tho the graphics suck and the tracks and cars are limited, at least the game works and has great physics

[@SamHunterz]

Forza motorsport 7 with updates is actually better than this.

[@JohnSmith-b6n]

With more gameplay modes even. What's that crap?

[@nadeemb3300]

Still very much a scam. It will never be what Turn 10 said it was gonna be. Those cars still look absolutely horrible.

[@th3alchem1st46]

Probably we have to wait the next fm/fh for new car models...

[@DeejayJeanP]

I wouldn't even trust Microsoft if they said we need air to survive. Let alone any awards they pay for.

[@RunEmDownTony]

Even after the 10 updates, this game is inexcusable. I just gave this game another try yesterday after it's been sitting and collecting dust for months. I was reminded why I let this game sit. I just can not get into this game. It just doesn't do it for me. It's a turn-off.

[@mrtizer6672]

I totally agree only played it like 3 times played it yesterday for 1st time in 2 months turned it off after 10min

[@jwallace2913]

A widebody kit allows you to run wider tires. If you played the game, you'd know that running widebody kits in multiplayer is pretty much the meta (if the car offers it).

[@tonythan3230]

Those headlights are actually very detailed. It's what they used to look like in the 90s on most cars back then.

[@shibe32]

Honestly, i think anything after fm4 is a more or less of a downgrade (except maybe the fh serie which has been quite decent), especially with the corrupt moderators and "racing teams" like ptg. Microsoft is killing everything they own, forza, WMR, windows 11, minecraft... And their 18 months hiring/firing strategy isn't helping either for game developping and bug fixes.

[@elrinconcuriosodesally3528]

At best is like putting band-aids

[@winonesoon9771]

Its because of game pass. There's no money for them to make anymore. You will keep seeing games that come out on gamepass will just be good enough or no soul at all..... Kinda like a gaming version of netflix

[@joshbacon8241]

Why does Microsoft have this 18 months hiring/firing strategy to avoid having to pay out employee benefits to contractors?

[@elrinconcuriosodesally3528]

@@joshbacon8241 to pay less and maybe do the same as Warner by canning later caneclling already done products and mark them as fails so the income is better

[@9west1sac6boss]

The live service infatuation has to end …if they mad it like the other games where I can customize and do what I like the game is awesome

[@evilformerlys4704]

It's not an infatuation, but a goal because Microsoft wants all their products to be in a service system to stay in our wallets.

[@succulenttrash3343]

I mean seriously when you spend all the money advertising the Cadillac DPi car on your cover just for players not to be able to play it in any campaign racer and only be able to take it online when the Prototype series shows up or the P class event shows up (which its severely underclassed for) its like when do you realize that you messed up entirely

[@FranquitoMV2004]

Though i dont play it, i saw it improving a bit, sadly the same cannot be said about its community, Forza's gaming community sucks

[@mixy4244]

you mean cheaters that playground games pretends to not know about? or forza community in general?

[@FranquitoMV2004]

@@mixy4244 i mean toxic forza players, that belive they are superior just because they play the most popular saga in the market, acting with toxicity against other games and their players

[@mixy4244]

@@FranquitoMV2004 very true, forza community is mostly toxic players. Only like 3 forza community members i know aren't toxic lmao.

[@KTR_ProrataEevee]

@@FranquitoMV2004 i feel the nfs community are more rampant/stupid (unbound music complaints are a clear example as well as hating a game at launch whist then changing their mind completely 10 YEARS LATER)

[@FranquitoMV2004]

@@KTR_ProrataEevee the thing is that in the nfs community they are toxic between themselves because of discussions and arguments from people who like a game that maybe most dislike, in the Forza community is happens to most other games, in a lot of posts from Gran Turismo, The Crew or NFS accounts you'll see people saying "This game is sh1t, Forza is better" or "This game sucks, Go play Forza" , thats what i hate about the Forza community

[@marcoguarnieri6589]

Am i the only one who hates all these games with the same soulless white text on semi-transparent menus? Test drive unlimited solar crown had the same thing. I find it very low effort from the game devs to just stick with an almost stock menu interface 😢

[@winonesoon9771]

Dude test drive looks god awful....... A great example of modern nonsense games.......

[@Qimchiy]

If Project CARS 4 wasn't cancelled it would've had the best UI design (based on the leaked unfinished UI video) because its designed by the same person who did DiRT3's UI, Philip Cox. I would say, I'd love to see UI that's both consistent and unique to a game series. Like early Halo and CoD. People miss the uncluttered simplicity of those days.

[@questioned54]

Of all the things to dislike in this game, you pick semi-transparent menus and white text. Bloody hell, priorities here.

@@questioned54 TBF this gripe is pointing to a root problem of FM : lack of identity and soul. Yes, a menu UI is part of a game's identity, and one of very first things you'll see coming into it !

[@bazzgaming27]

my main disappointment with FM8 was i was hoping we would have gotten a single player like FM7, but have more endurance races etc. but what we got in FM8 single player is a joke

[@benn87]

I was already pretty disappointed with FM 7 Singleplayer Career. What annoys me is that they promised so much about the single player before launch. Fortunately, I relied on my gut feeling and didn't pre-order. Instead, I tested it with the Gamepass.

[@heithyboi]

Fun fact if you go on the track layout tab you can see the track layout 👍🏻. Also I've got some bad news for you about GT7 if you dont like always online. It really makes you look like a giant hypocrite when you call out one game for having something or not having something and then suck off another game which is quite honestly pretty similar

[@theblindtechguy]

At least you can play any other racing game/sim out there. Forza Motorsport is currently the only racing game with blind driving assists, and they work really well. For all the negative said about this game, they really did an awesome job in terms of accessibility. Now, we need to get more devs onboard the accessibility train, because I would love to play iRacing, Acc, Asetto Corsa, etc, but right now, I just can't.

[@Denniz69]

WE NEED AN OFFLINE MODE WITH ALL EVENTS! Change my mind.

[@wassup404]

I have always been a massive fan of Forza, but with this last game I just feel like I’m getting scammed. Too little cars, you have to buy a lot to get to your personal sweet spot cars. The online is super expensive. Just falling out of love with it this way.

[@Kristofferheihei]

This game is the saddest moment in Forza history. I have every Forza game from Forza Motorsport 3 onwards, including the entire Horizon series. They've disappointed me so many times, but I've still been able to enjoy each game enough to put several 100 hours each of them. This the latest Motosport game however was the last straw. I pre-ordered like an idiot, the big boy edition, and straight up feel like they fooled me. The game doesn't work, not even visually, and it isn't fun. End of. I've unistalled this game, the latest Forza game. That has never happened to me before. Forza is my go-to chill game. This one is so bad that I've uninstalled it.. So sad

[@WretchedHobbit]

Bro same

[@bigdan8166]

300 days and I still can't get in to a online lobby

[@vianlobo985]

Please play Driveclub ps4 next. I play it till this date (I bought it when it I was 11 years and wasn’t much aware about good ps4 racing games) I still kind enjoy the game to this day to be fair

[@NikosM112]

I'm still waiting for a modern version of that game. remember nfs pro street and shift? those games were hard and had a scary sense of speed

[@loganm2766]

The main game I played for years was forza 7. This game is definitely disrespectful to its true fans. The lack of tracks and reuse of old tracks is absurd

[@coolieee]

why would you waste years playimg forza when gt was around, genuinely curious bc it seems forzas never outdone gt even with it being complete shit at times

[@OpenYourMindShorts]

Still can't use my VIP suit for more than one race before it resets to the default orange one.

[@ev.j.b.new.c.2024]

I used to play Forza a lot on my Xbox Series X on game pass. Until two months ago, when some of the updates totaly messed the game from graphical point of view. The game was very good looking with good amounts of details of enviroment. Now the clouds are an absolute trash!?? No details, and painting looking. After updates I also noticed worse graphics in general. I had to stop playing the game. Its not beautiful anymore...

[@Stefosaurus]

Turn 10 made their money big over the years and now that they are comfortable, they put in almost zero effort with this title. I'm glad I haven't touched any FM since 5

[@gavinanderson1440]

certain tracks are so bright you can’t see the racing line/braking zone, go to the next track on the same settings and it’s fine

[@kaicrawford8008]

Play the game everyday still. Highest tier of multiplayer is really fun. Never any issues tbf

[@jaidendetering8734]

The fact that I've still had whole sections of the track just disappear around me, textures missing and popping in and out shows they haven't made it better for console. It'd also be nice to have suggested gears and more events

[@TheTyisawesome]

Gran Turismo is leaps and bounds ahead of this game

[@questioned54]

Not GT7.

[@gorrilaunit99]

​@questioned54 this, everyone's favorite City and Original circuits are gone/ruined- don't even get started on progression/economy

[@One21P]

I'm more disappointed at the fact that you haven't finished the online race introduction. At least get the online driver grade and safety rating.

[@questioned54]

You can't make a video with this title about a game you haven't even played properly 😂

[@joshuaquinones9760]

1 year ago, to this day, we were given the one of the worst racing games ever. Can't believe it

[@horizon_angel]

BTW, you know you can always change the proximity radar to be on mini map, it'll shows and replace the mini map only when you're close to other cars BTW, FM and GT7 are similiar. You can't save while being offline, the game is quite empty ane barebone in single player, everything is a bit forced to multiplayer, and can't forgot how both games lied to our face on the marketing. The differences is probably just that GT have a consistent model and quality, which apparently please people enough, and Forza usually have decency to add a new era cars. Not saying it's a bad thing, but to call FM is bad because of the similiar cons GT7 has, is a bit hypocrite

[@pulkaexpert]

I got 1000 hours in Forza 7 and i have not bought Forza 8 yet. And im so confused about if i should get 8 or not. I absolutely love Forza 7. I just hate that multiplayer isnt availble for everyone... but can someone who also loves Forza 7 tell me what feels different about Forza 7 and 8 in like how it feels to play it. Has anyone reading this bought 8 and went back to 7 again?

[@floatingwizardgaming]

Biggest con in all of gaming and nobody in video game "jOuRnALISm" can be bothered to cover it. Good on you for coming back and holding the liars at T10 to account.

[@benn87]

To this day, I'm still glad that I smelled something was up and instead of pre-ordering the game, I tested it first with the Game Pass.

[@VictorBRz]

Smart choice

[@derekcoaker6579]

Why would anyone preorder these days? It's always a bad plan.

[@VictorBRz]

@@derekcoaker6579 fact

[@Sh4dowgale]

I'm glad this game is on gamepass. If I bought it, I'd have been livid.

[@zarelinoise3866]

Out of all the bad games I've bought, Forza Motorsport 2023 is the one I feel most scammed with. The worst part is that Forza Motorsport 7 is still better, after almost a year.

[@MartiniPinball]

So sad, GT and FM used to be compared as equals. FM8 isn't even on the same field anymore, it's a good competition for NFS. And that says a lot.

[@oskarniklas5061]

I am SO happy, that I didn't fall for the FOMO trap and actually waited a little bit before buying the game. Aa of right now, I still have no intentions in doing so, because the game feels cheap for something that should be groundbreaking. Thank you for this video, Im probably going to buy it much later on, if at all.

[@questioned54]

A lot of people still play the multiplayer and it's very fun. Not all aspects of the game are bad, mostly just the career mode.

[@coconut_dr9194]

one thing alot of people have been complaing about was the selection of rims in the horizon games is the rim selection which was very much improved on in fm8. for example we have a bunch of difrent te37 variants yet nobody apreciates the stuff they actually add

[@Gmanxxx1214]

I just tried FM8 again after not playing for a long time. It's running better. Controls are better. Still missing the target on race variety. The whole money and experience system is broken.

[@Ciaran.Digance]

Forza 7 was dreadful after release but it eventually got better. I'm hoping this game is going to continue being built up like Forza 7 was

[@NikosM112]

Stop coping. fm is a lost cause. gone and forever ruined.

[@Ibn_Battuta]

How are the textures, shadows, reflections, and lightning in FM8 today compared to a year ago? Has it improved a lot or a bit? Or barely or not at all?

[@csh9853]

they need to optimize this game. no ultra settings on 8 gb cards. for the way it looks thats ridiculous.

[@hayden1990lmjm]

I played when it 1st came out see it had basically nothing fm7 was better by a long way. Stopped playing. Game was just put out when not ready so done with game companys doing this. Then ever cancel all updates or patch for years to come for basically a dead game. M8 at the time did not wanna go back to fm7 i literally could not understand why he said he likes how the cars feel to fm7.

[@joshbacon8241]

What were some major red flags you saw in the run-up towards Forza Motorsport’s release that pointed towards how bad the game was going to be?

[@Sl1kz]

What Brothers me the most is, that the shadows are always blurry in high speed. Thats not how shadows work when driving xD

[@MannequinSmiles]

forza motorsport is 95% online ranked racing. That's the point of the game's existence. Name another game that does scheduled ranked competitive racing with daily/weekly races with a penalty system with ROAD cars. It's the most fun ive had in a racing game period. I dont have a ps5 so i cant say much for grand turismo but the online racing looks to be mostly gt and other race cars. And i havent tried iracing either but that seems to be mostly race cars as well (i could be wrong)

[@s0cks1985]

You're not completely wrong. GT7 usually has 1 weekly race with road cars, and 2 weekly with race cars - you can almost never use a custom upgraded car tho. iRacing is basically all racing cars, but imo iRacing is still the king if you want to race seriously with wheel and pedals.

[@QBDLettuce]

There's definitely some features missing from the game that I hope they add soon, but honestly I still enjoy the game. Tuning street cars the way I want and then racing them on circuit is good fun. PS. Adjusting the wheel feedback sliders in the settings can help improve the feel significantly. Default is OK, but I've gotten mine to feel very close to how it feels in Assetto Corsa. I will reply to this comment with a list of the sliders and the # I have each one at, and hope it helps anyone that may try it.

[@QBDLettuce]

FM8 FFB Slider Settings a la Lettuce: - Vibration Scale: 20 - Force Feedback Scale: 115 - Steering Self Alignment: 76 -Mechanical Trail Scale: 55 - Pneumatic Trail Scale: 150 - Road Feel Scale: 140 - Load Sensitivity: 80 - Wheel Damping Scale: 115 - Center Spring Scale: 80 - Dynamic Damper Behavior: 70 - Steering Sensitivity: 18 - Steering Linearity: 50 They are a work in progress and more fine tuning can be done, but it's good enough that I find the game enjoyable on the wheel as much as I do Assetto Corsa, on a G27.

[@Dbo3fly]

What I heard is that they addressed barely any of the feedback. I would like to know about the stability of the game, glitches being fixed, crashes being fixed, drift events, drag events, rallyX maybe, fixed car models and interiors, and a penalty system overhaul to go with their murderous AI. I won't go back until I start hearing about this. Until then...I have plenty of other games to fill the void.

[@mrapollo53]

Even motorsport 7 is far better than this thing

[@NJDJ1986]

@4:14 yeahh what is that even for? that was a weird bumper customization!

[@audi-71830]

rally customization, this car model is made for FH5

[@alexanderdoerr5570]

Love the video. Thank you! I will say I'm quite sure turn 10 said they would not make another Sim after forza 4, correct me if I'm wrong but the Sim driving has gone significantly down hill since that release. Been here since forza 1 on the og xbox btw!

[@BROWITT2010]

Couldn't agree more, it's so empty and soulless. From all the menus and UI designs and down to the career mode overall feels like such a slog! Like you say, zero motivation to buy more cars and progress

[@questioned54]

Whilst I agree that the career mode is rubbish and there's zero motivation to buy cars, UI being translucent isn't that deep at all. And NONE of that makes it a "scam". The games is refundable like anything else and most people got it for free with a subscription anyway, it's not like they forced you to buy it or anything either, scam is not the right word, disappointment is.

[@PLAYER_42069]

Forza Motorsport's biggest failing isn't the bugs and technical issues, ironically. Those can be fixed. FM's biggest flaw is something that can't be fixed: It's the epitome of MVP - Minimum Viable Product - That's common in the software industry. There is no soul, passion or heart to the game. It's bland, boring, and functions at a passable level. Nothing more, nothing less. It lacks everything from presentation to content. Speaking of content, if it had launched with at least, the same content as FM7, I don't think it would get the hate it does? But content is what keeps people playing, and the lack of it at launch caused many to quit altogether, car points & progression issues, aside.

[@bindxpoxt]

4090 and i cant make this game motion fluid, camera pans and the scenary is always juddery even to Im not getting any frametime spikes or fps drops

[@realmustangboy6437]

I still miss a good modern track sim(cade). I just hope they fix this mess but i doubt it

[@aidanfriedfeld8889]

Unfortunately the only modern track based simcade currently is GT7. I wish there were more and also tbh I’d like to see a street racing game with simcade physics. Like gimme the silly customization and crazy engine swaps and all that from need for speed and then GT physics and I’m set.

[@questioned54]

I think everyone needs to calm down about this game. It's definitely salvageable, we just need to give the devs constructive criticism and suggestions, they just need to listen to us and implement them. Honestly, it's just the career mode that can't be saved, the multiplayer was clearly prioritised at some point in this game's development and I think people that still play the multiplayer will agree with me that it's still reasonably fun but needs serious improvement in many areas. Either way, one thing this game isn't, is a scam because that's not what the definition of scam means. I think the title is a bit clickbaity and it's just getting everyone riled up which helps nothing and nobody.

[@wastelander89]

Honestly i miss the days of forza 2 and forza motorsport 4. I hope they add the progression back. Starting at low level slow cars is more fun . Starting at 50k dollar cars takes so much progression out. I love the handling and graphics 10 out of 10

[@RogueRail]

I feel like recreating the Lan Evo from Thunderbolt. But I’ll wait until it comes to Horizon.

[@copperysinger5985]

Thank you, Theo for calling out this scam of a game!!! I thought I was the only one who felt this way, you hit the nail on the head.

[@DragonFlySlayer-wf6ne]

I've really been wondering about this thing here. I have thousands of bucks in my aluminum chassis and gear. VRS, Fanatec. ASR4 chassis. VRS pedals. Now this game in on sale with 50% off. I was about ready to jump but seeing this here makes me step back and say.... or think...... it would probably wind up being something that I wouldn't play. "?" I'm still confused.

[@memo29b]

Those who labelled this racing game of the year are not people who actually play racing games, played this for a week at launch to review it, and haven't played it since Oct. 2023. Those who criticised it get called weirdos by people who don't play the game, search up a review it and see it be rated 8-9/10. But then again those who play it are not enjoying it, whilst the press who doesnt play it thinks its great. It's pretty weird in that sense.

[@Greaser_media]

Car models older than its player base is wild!

[@jJustPlayingNZ]

No proper triples, No VR.... no buy even on discount. I don't ever run single monitor sims

[@gamersplaygroundliquidm3th526]

They just got the sound engineer that was known for the quality of car sound reproduction in the first 6 games, he came back to fix all the sounds for the cars...

[@Hero-sp3xr]

It still is, They recycle lots of shit, Id still rather play ACC, GT7 and F1.

[@freddiecunningham2860]

Stop talking and go play them. Oh wait you don't have those games😅

[@Wyn3e]

@@freddiecunningham2860out of everything u can reply with u replied to someone with a valid comment

[@skilfil]

The very first Forza Motorsport got me hooked as I was so excited to have a GT competitor, amazing to see how far they've fallen. I played this on Gamepass, couldn't progress because of the huge amount of bugs, uninstalled it after a week and cancelled my Gamepass sub I'd had for quite some time. I picked it up at 50% off recently to try it out, it is at least somewhat stable now but damn it is still empty as hell. I'm happy lapping Nurburgring in Rivals in all sorts of cars but outside of that I have nothing to do, I play Horizon 4/5 more and I'm someone who prefers Motorsport stuff. They really screwed it up.

[@BmikroB]

FM2023 is such a tragedy of a game man... It breaks my heart as a series fan who played all the games (except for FM5 since I never owned an Xbox One) from FM4 & FH1 all the way through.

[@nikitanestejatel1555]

Dunno... I like FM maybe cause i'm rookie in racing games. I'm playing ACC, AMS2 etc and my ass is always burning, these games are hard to me. But FM is an ideal simcade for incoming to genre,

[@TWCRWEEDMAN]

Forza Dropped the ball here. •Dont have All open class races avaliable online. •They dont have team racing •The wheel feels like your on ICE and lack the sensation of leaning on the tires. •Lacks Drag racing and Drifting •Weekly races are mad boring •Car leveing and Prestige should have shown Driver saftey rating and skill instead! •You dont see how races effort your skill or saftey rating. •Online lacks rolling starts •Tires should blow out!

[@DOOMSHOT6967]

I wish I could get back my $160, It really wasn't worth it

[@sebastianreams7239]

Turn your cars steering lock range down in the cars tune settings for the race cars and it'll feel WAY more realistic race cars don't have 900° rotation

[@goatlps]

Even if FM8 had actually been tested (it hadn't), and everything worked as they intended, the problem will still be it has very little content. Half the number of tracks and no play modes. All you're left with is a choice of a couple of online races that T10 control to be P2W. FM4 on the 360 had literally 10x more content, modes, and features, etc, with player created events. In FM8 you never get a choice to use the car and class you want. FM8 is such a broken and tiny game it'll never be fixed. T10 would need 5yrs to add the FM4 content, like auctions, clubs, mini games, drag - they haven't got tracks with drag strips, or the Benchmark tracks for testing. There's no way to even test your gear ratios on a drag straight !

[@legitkleppingz2525]

How in the hell, who made this game! It didn’t missed a step, it fell from the stairs!

[@901gt]

Still no auction house… No proper drag racing… speaking of drag racing… that’s how I can tell the physics engine is no different than fm6 and 7. We are still tuning the exact same way. Aside from the suspension geometry and anti squat, the cars still move the same way. The drag tires are the equivalent to racing tires in fh5… but I digress

[@succulenttrash3343]

The Crew was so heavily robbed. This game feels so barren and a slap to the face of every forza motorsport fan. The Campaign looks like a joke, the multiplayer barely works and the penalty system will punish you for breathing the same air as the person next to you. All the fun events have been taken away, there are no real special cars, and most of these problems have been around since the game launched. The only reason i play it is cuz i dont own a Ps5 (and i dont like GT's handling anyway) and im desperate for a closed track racer that i dont need a wheel for. Its sad.

[@ReylordFX]

It is and no one cannot say it isn't or updates won't help it.

[@FedericoFroebel-dw4je]

Is far better than GT7

[@questioned54]

It isn't a scam. If you think it's a scam, you don't know what scam means. And updates will help it, that's the whole point of updates.

[@NikosM112]

@@questioned54 lol coper

[@tairunking187]

Forza Motorsport 7 say "it seems I'm not so bad after all eh"" Forza 8 wheel need heavy tuning to make it work the AI is broken the career is crap the cars are grind it is a scam a mobile game designed to sell time savers / xp boosters

[@simeonyves5940]

100% Still a Scam, as it is *still* in Pre-Alpha. Playground had *Better* do a *Considerably better Job* on Horizon 6 than Turn 10 (In Name Only!) has done on FM8 or Forza is *Finished* , It *cannot* Survive another PR Image Blow as, thanks to this..."Game" .. the Franchise is in the Toilet right now! another Bad Game, and the Chain is getting flushed for Sure!

[@JeffreyBos75]

I bought this game on day 1, since day 1 the game ran like crap for me on PC. Made no difference if i turned all the settings all the way down, the game was an unplayable mess with constant microstutters and severe framerate drops at the start/finish line of each track. Last week i found out that by turning off one simple setting (V-sync) all those stuttering/framerate drops vanished like snow in the sun. I personally own hundreds of games on several digital storefronts but i never had an issue with a game that went unplayable just by turning on V-sync. All of the sudden i can play this game normally with maxxed out settings, ray-tracing flatout and the game never goes under 80FPS for me personally at 1440p...