Is Genshin Fizzling Out!?

[@Solbashio]

Natlan is truly the nation of gimmicks

[@Lan-thehunt]

"sumeru is so disappointing there are so little trees it doesn't feel like a rainforest" "fontaine is so disappointing it looks like Mondstadt where's the steampunk aesthetic" Every time a new region comes out people will complain.

[@Undefined447]

people never stop complaining as always,Its prob how the game will end,Its own people

[@zurgias]

I know what you mean, I wish game devs would put a little more of their heart and soul into their creations

[@SpaceMagicStorm]

It's literally just the Genshin team, HSR, HI3, ZZZ, all better products, it really means it's not a dev problem it's a design direction problem, where they don't even bother fixing stuff until the other teams implement the fixes a vast majority of the times. Natlan just feels like gimics trying to get you to pull more characters to explore more conveniently.

[@The_Hero_Masayuki]

i can understand why the map is like that its because natlan holds its culture and traditions very high these griffite really shows the future what the people of the past were like and idk about you but if im stuck in a constant war im enjoying myself as much as i can before i die

[@Servo20007]

another thing is that character designs. Before, you know where the character is from just by looking at the clothes. Show a picture of Ayato, Ayaka and Raiden to someone that doesn't play genshin and they will know the nation that the characters are based of from. Now look at Mavuka, Cheska, and Xilonen and tell me, do they look like characters that are based of from African culture.

[@Si-Ryn10]

Totally agreed with your statement. The characther design is ok for me but its lack of the identity of the nation as you mentioned. And most importantly, for some reason I really can't accept Mavuika motorcycle...like why choosing motorcycle? Is there none other things to design with her that can show her divinity as an archorn like others? Her sun circle on her skill is great but the motorcycle ruin it. So disappointed from me

[@velyund1546]

It would be more accurate to understand Natlan as Genshin's version of central America with African influence. You have themes very similar to Aztec and Mayan cultures for example.

[@JZJora]

To be fair, African culture these days revolves around stealing from the white Americans that gave them everything, so it makes sense that Natlanteans' culture is derived from the dragons that preceded them

[@FemboiMuffin]

I mean 0.o you do have a point but Natlan is not a real nation OwO if you showed me their outfits I wouldn’t be able to guess the real nations that served as inspiration, but I would definitely be able to tell they all belong to the same one in game Just because it takes inspiration doesn’t mean it should be the same, Natlan has its own identity too💖

[@antilar4579]

My favorite quote from last year, repeated in the recent version livestream again: "We are passionate about creating high quality content." Aged like milk

[@teftikon]

1. I personally like Xilonen's voice acting most out of Natlan characters, those sss-s give a unique vibe to me. 2. I only joined in mid Fontaine so I don't know how things have been before, but I think we already got 4 free 3 star weapon, A fishing rod weapon is not very important, and most probably a lot of people complained about them, so the devs removed it. 3. You scroll continuously the 5.3 content and say there won't be new artifact sets. In the perspective of new content, I think 5.3 will be pact already. My opinion is that these new characters doesn"t really need new artifact sets, or that there will be 5 more to introduce them. 4. Domains have been replaced by local legends, the world hasn't become emptier, it is just presented differently. 5. The community made an expectation of how Natlan will be, and when it's different it feels like they have been cheated, and the content is bad, but the devs never made indication for a heavy volcanic Natlan. I think it's pretty beautiful (not my faveourite region either, but I can see the beauty in it). Overall, these arguments are weak to say Genshin is fizzling out. In all of these aspects of the game, it become more polished instead.

[@Crimsooo]

PREACH

[@ericb7223]

i feel like natlan is a very mixed bag that would've landed better if it were earlier in genshin's lifespan, perhaps right after monstadt. tonally it just doesn't fit the high stakes.

[@soujiokita6062]

I agree about the map ...during sumeru and fontaine release..i would 100% within few weeks after release...i absolutely love fontaine..most beautiful.. comforting looking...wirh waters and greens... In fact rhe desert in sumeru feels amazing to explore...wirh so many dark stories to learn(if youre a reader type) but i just dont feel like exploring natlan at all .. i really wish i could go to the sumeru and Fontaine era.. they really do feel nostalgic

[@tehCostHD]

But just why? Natlan is the most fun area to explore by far and it’s not even close. And ochknatlan is one of the coolest areas they’ve ever made.

[@BOFRDASLEEPER]

@@tehCostHD its not that fun if you can explore it in just 1-2 day to 100% it

[@tehCostHD]

@ which is the same as literally any other region in genshin history. I 100 percented every single update since 1.0 in a couple days

[@BOFRDASLEEPER]

@@tehCostHD that is understandable, but with all the hidden quest and chest its hard to 100% unless you saw yt. The problem is, the 3 new area in natlan took no effort, no thinking and the hidden quest feels so accidental that i thought its a separate quest

[@janek1031]

I really wish I could love this game like I once did, I really wish. It wasn't just some game, it was my little comfort zone. But the longer it goes, the more I feel devs don't care about the game itself. I agree with e everything that was said in the video and I'd like to add some things of my own. 1) Terrible kit design of Natlan characters Some Natlan characters have their entire kit build around the idea of having other Natlan characters specifically. So, to use one character you like, you need at least two other Natlan characters and they purposefully design it that way so they don't have a replacement. It's such a greedy, filthy move, it's so much worse than even powercreep that was bad on its own already. 2) English dub mostly missing I know it's not Hoyo's fault, but I also know HoYo has resources to settle things down once and for all (like they did with Paimon VA), they just dont care about EN players enough. The story is one of the last things in this game that keeps me here and lack of dub is making it so much worse. 3) Dumbed down story Genshin has incredible lore and amazing wordbuilding. I absolutely adore and love the world of Teyvat. That being said, the way this story is presented is like average player is 10 years old. Repeating the same things over and over again. We do thing X. Then Paimon has do say we did thing X and because we did thing X, thing Y happens and we have to do Z. Then we do Z and the whole cycle starts again. Also, the whole war nation and war arc. That was an unfunny joke. We finish up everything in 20 minutes, one random NPC dies and that's it. Oh, and the newest story content. It was so good I forgot it even existed. Did we really wait 6 weeks for that? Filler arc with nothing new. Once again, I really loved this game and I wish I could love it as much now, but with direction it's taking (for quite some time now) it feels more like a chore than an escape it once was.

[@minsuga1937]

1. The only character that really wants other natlanese is Mavuika, which yeah is a weird choice and the community is not happy with that. Other than that no character really needs other natlanese to work. Kinich didn't have a good natlanese teammate before Mavuika, Mualani works perfectly well without Mav or Xilonen, Chasca needs any PCEH off-field buffer/sub dps, ororon only needs hydro and electro, and citlali and kachina can be slotted into any team that would need a cryo or geo. 2. It takes time and can't be done at will with contractual obligations in place. 3. If repeating same stuff is what you have a problem with then sadly it's nothing new, been there since the start. Personally I think that the War arc was done beautifully with showing how you can't be everywhere all at once, people dying, seeing bodies and the feeling of hopelessness when your balloon can't go any faster or when you're flying next to empty scions of the canopy. It also wasn't just 20 minutes and done cause natlan is just constantly at war for 500 years, act IV was just the biggest attack probably ever and not only are many npc's around Natlan gone, there's corpse of one of the moon sisters visible in the sky. Act V showed how Natlan copes with the aftermath of the attack and how it impacted the people and shows trauma and companionship quite well. Also, "Then Paimon has do say we did thing X and because we did thing X, thing Y happens and we have to do Z." That's just story progression?

[@janek1031]

@minsuga1937 1. I'd be very happy if there were teams needing cryo this days. For your everyday content any character is fine, but Spiral Abyss these days is such a pain when your main element is cryo. Mavuika is literally the worst character they could pull this with and it just feels scammy. Also, the exploration mechanics are now character locked which is a part of that problem. Also Capitano not being playable was... a decision. 2. It could've been done with Paimon, the only voice I wouldn't miss, it can be done with others. 3. Yes, everyone keeps telling how terrible it is and what a great war Natlan has been suffering from. Meanwhile the whole landscape looks like you're playing Pokemon. It's a perfect example why show don't tell is so important. The point is, you don't see Natlan being at war. We had two Abyss attacks that lasted a fraction of time of the whole quest and besides this, you can't see the war. 3.1 Okay, we have seen the moon sister, but if you aren't a lore freak, you will have no idea about the sisters at all. Besides, no one even address that in a story. They've seen the whole sky torn apart and what's behind it and no one questions that. 3.2 The story progression would be if we would do thing X, then thing Y, then thing Z. But no, we need to do thing X and then hear Paimon explaining for ten minutes that we did thing X. After so many years if just drives me insane so much that I'm not sure if it got so much worse recently or it's just my patience running low.

[@minsuga1937]

@@janek1031 1. Been consistently clearing abyss with Ganyu and Wriothesley for a while now, both on freeze teams without shenhe so it's really not that bad if your builds are good. You still get exploration abilities from saurians and while some of them are bad (qucusaurus mainly) others are really not much different from the characters. 3. People learnt how to live with it and accept it as a sad part of life. You can see that many people are warriors, there's a lot more vision bearers compared to other regions and chiefs of tribes are really strong and are either seasoned warriors or great mediums 3.1 Doesn't change the fact that you can still see change in the world whether you do or don't know what it means. Mavuika herself said that she told the people that it was just an "astronomical anomaly" and that she will look into it herself. It's nothing new that openly discussing stuff regarding celestia and heavenly principles is dangerous so that can be why she was so quiet about it. 3.2 I mean it still is progression, a subpar progression but progression nonetheless

[@janek1031]

@@minsuga1937 I think we are straying from the original point here, so I won't elaborate further on points I've already made, instead I will address a few more things that came into my mind 4) Teapot content A wise man once said that "Teapot is the real endgame" and for those who dipped into Genshin The Sims, they know how true it is. And the content we got for teapot is... pretty scarce and lackluster. Last big thing we got was Fontaine theme, which was meh, kind of low effort IMO. Bubbles with water tunnels between them. It looked nice at first glance, but when I tried to make something out of it, it turned out it's empty as hell. It's blue dabudee dabudee. I wish we got something as beautiful as Inazuma layout, which Fontaine definitely had potential for. And furniture... With each new region we get a few furniture chest (point being, not much) and it's all the same things with slightly different design. The placement limit is still there at nonsensically low level, where after putting a fence you can't really make anything inside. 5) Few/no new players That's not HoYos fault at all and it's definitely a me thing, but since I'm listing my own Genshin-related pains, I'm putting it here. I remember what a blast had and how many fun people I've met randomly cooping with newbies. I could spend hours going from one person to the other, asking if they need any help. Now, most people are max AR and usually do not accept invites. 6) How few freemogems we are getting compared to other games And I'm not even talking gachas in general. I'm quite sure it wouldn't hurt HoYo to give us a ten pull each patch like they do in Star Rail. I mean, come on, the most we got was a standard 5* selector. After three years. In Star Rail we got free limited 5*. In Wuwa (not HoYo game but it's very similar to Genshin in their monetization model) too. And that's within first year of their respectable releases. Even Honkai Impact has free limited characters.

[@minsuga1937]

@@janek1031 I don't really think we were straying from the point but whatever 4. There's so many furniture and buildings you can do we still get little gadgets, statues, paintings and other decorations from quests, events and exploration. Not really anything to complain aabout having furniture divided into sections and types like tables, chairs, small buildings, ornaments etc. But yeah load limit is annoying. Pretty sure natlan teapot comes out in 5.3 so we'll see how it looks like. 5. You can still find new people just have to scroll down the coop list. I've been visiting low ar players from time to time and really nothing changed 6. You have to take into account that hsr has almost no exploration and every patch 2 new characters come out so the pull demand is higher than in genshin. Also take the fact how fast powercreep is in there and you come to a point where you almost have to pull new characters to be able to clear new content comfortably. Ratio while still being a great character has already become subpar in his best team and got overtaken by Feixiao. Yeah it feels bad that we never got a free character but what can you do. And Honkai impact doesn't really count since characters there get powercreeped in like 5 patches 90% of the time

[@xcaedes]

So……you ever heard of “the calm before the storm”?

[@beidoumimujer7783]

I remember the exact same complaints in sumeru, by almost the same group of people, 0.01% of the playerbase doesn't mean much at the end of the day, I do see the heart, especially in the writers, terrain builders, composers, the art direction keeps getting better, the gameplay, funner, I don't know what yall are getting at honestly, what game did yall install??

[@bocaangus]

Nah fr

[@sagardhaberao]

Frfr

[@crem44]

after seeing what wuwa and zzz players are getting i truly envy them

[@ningguanq5106]

i have been enjoying it tbh, i got mualani and xilonen and while they are gimmicky idm it, theyre pretty fun. while i was hoping natlan would be an actual nation of war like everyone else, with stuff like dragonstone from got like how its described in the books, i like the style even if its not rly a nation of war. another thing is the lack of male 5 stars, which i think will change soon because a lot of ppl have been mentioning it to them even in china. the movement abilities on most characters is actually something i like and i think should've been on a lot of previous characters, they were already trying to do this with arlecchino, furina, neuvilette etc, but i think they did it better here, it makes exploration much more fun

[@BOFRDASLEEPER]

We could've got a better and bigger Natlan but instead we got this tiny ass "region" that look mid. The map you shown truly change my perspective about how Natlan coul've been especially the story on "raging war against the abyss" but instead the war took place in night kingdom. not to mention the Master of Nightwind and Flower feather clan teeny tiny region that took no time to explore, no single puzzle to wreck my brain, not a single long WQ, and the horrible ququsaurs that took 1/4 of phlogiston to just ascend. Ochkanatlan WQ is also mid, predictable, and short, i wish it dwell longer into the ancient dragon history.

[@bocaangus]

Yo what game you playing, genshy inpact?

[@BOFRDASLEEPER]

@bocaangus no I'm playing a game called "yo mama and yo sister"

[@bocaangus]

@BOFRDASLEEPER ah yes, yo mama jokes in 2024

[@BOFRDASLEEPER]

@@bocaangus the reason you never heard of it is because your mam tell everyone to keep it a secret

[@who2603]

The emptiness of map is ridiculous, I was using Natlan treasure compass and this thing wouldn't be able to find ANYTHING after I claimed 1-2 chests in the location. I found more chests in 100% locations using compasses in previous regions, then on the first day of 5.2 location☠☠☠ If you open the interactive map you can literally see a few patches of 5.2 location that doesn't have ANYTHING, no puzzle, no chest, nothing. They don't even bother to add stuff on the map, wtf.

[@who2603]

Imo, Xilonen voice acting seems pretty intentional with hissing, purring and other cat sounds since she is a cat. Not having new artifacts in 5.3 is pretty reasonable too, in x.0 update we usually get more universal sets for current region (emblem and shiminawa in 2.0, deepwood in 3.0, hunter and troupe in 4.0) and then new sets around x.4 for those new DPS not fitting the "universal" set released in x.0 (Itto and kokomi set, wanderer set, navia and cheuv sets). Since Mavuika and Citlali work with 5.0 artifacts, there's no reason to add something specific for them.

[@who2603]

Natlan layout is pretty reasonable too if you count the our world places it's based on. I just wish they would put more chests and puzzles in-between these empty spaces and not making me run for 1 chest. Somehow such big map feels even emptier than Sumeru desert, which is, well, A DESERT.

[@lazybvr9989]

1. VA quality issues. Yup. Everyone is of course aware of the issues with Formosa, but I feel Hoyo is not only not doing everything in their power to circumvent the issue but they're also trying to milk the situation by e.g. not even bothering to perform de-essing in hopes they will somehow be excused by the players due to Formosa situation. 2. No new "fishing weapon". Lol, that's a niche complaint, but I happen to agree. Loved having an option to extend my collection if I didn't have anything better to do. 3. Only 2 new artifact sets. On one hand, I'm still far from being finished with farming these, on the other, this touches upon a greater issue with Natlan combat additions. These are really locked-in and self-serving, not evolving the rest of the game in such a signficant way that HP mechanics from Fontaine and dendro from Sumeru did. I guess Dehya and Emilie got more useful, but that's really it. 4. No new one-time domains. This is so even more niche than the fishing-related complaints. They were, as the name suggests, one time and didn't provide any novel experience most of the time. Did we get more interesting overworld puzzles to compensate, however? That's a different story. These domains do kinda get a comeback with Masters of the Night Wind teleporter thingies. 5. Landscape. Absolutely subjective but, most importantly, there was no good reason to assume the whole of Natlan would be a barren wasteland. And let's be honest, this would get tiresome really quickly. That being said, I kinda find Natlan's vistas tiresome anyway, for some reason. All this being said, Natlan made me concerned for Genshin's future, but apart from predatory character kit designs, mostly due to the following: Bad writing. 5.0 wasn't as good of a debut as say 4.0, in my opinion, but it also wasn't terrible. After that, the story picked up a breakneck pace with epic high-stakes events happening one after another and no time to build up anticipation and therefore feel rewarded when something cool actually takes place. I just felt so disconnected from the story so far. Now we'll be getting the Archon Quest finale and yay, maybe we'll finally see Mavuika fighting Capitano. Wait, that already happened. Out of nowhere, at that. So maybe we'll see an epic war consuming the whole of Natlan? Whoops... The characters similarly haven't been given any room to breathe, so they're just there. Mavuika herself, the frickin archon, is a whole another story. No matter how much screen time she will be given, I can't see anything that could be done to make her character grow. She's been perfect from the get go. No character flaws to overcome, all her decisions are correct, can harness the Power of Friendship to shoot the giant laser whenever needed. Truly, (in)human archon. That's just not how you write a compelling character, c'mon.

[@atriyakoller136]

I happen to disagree about Mavuika. She's perfect because she's walked the path already. Not everyone has to become perfect during the story, characters can have their growth set before or after the story. Hers was mainly before, although it is yet to be revealed fully, and in game too. As for the story... It's hit and miss for me. I wouldn't say I was completely disconnected, but I kind of was disconnected from mamy parts. That said, anticipation was there for me, even though I don't directly chase it, but I can't really say it was there all the time. I was mostly kicking my feet about the lore drops, not so much the story itself,.that said, I've been wanting the devs to expand the lore in the main story, so, having them do exactly that (although, there's more to see) was nice

[@pochu9506]

I love natlan so far. The title is clickbait. The video doesn't address concurrent players... anyway if google trends is any indication, genshin interest is lower than before but still higher than its competitors. Also the video is mostly a rant because OP wants the fan concept better than the official. Also the one-time dungeons were discontinued in Fontaine, but i guess it's the best time to point it out while having issues with Natlan.

[@Proxy606]

Short answer: no Long answer: even with the Natlan controversy’s, millions of players play it concurrently. It’s a loud and vocal minority that complain about the smallest things. Where did the millions come from? Asia. What do Asians care about most? Grades, gaming is the second G that we care about. We have very little time to complain about these issues that in all honesty do not affect us that much(skin colour is not a lag spike that crashes you out of the game, it isn’t anything of concern as long as we can even lay back for a moment). We make use of every second of our time playing because once that time is up we are back at work, be it studies or an actual job (Unless you’re CN honkai impact of course, idk how they find time to flame every male there)

[@ShanMichaelEscasio]

"Lack of quality in the EN voice acting". Yeah. That's what all you sub elitists say. But you can't even voice act bettwe than Corina (Paimon) , or maybe hold a candle against Amber Lee Connors (Furina) or Jenny Yokobori). Lmao. It's funny how a nobody talks shit about VAs who've made names for themselvea.

[@uAlienatedIllusion]

The devs are getting tired. Maybe it’s just a sign that genshin will end soon

[@xcaedes]

I highly doubt it. They are more than willing to push through if they can keep milking the cash cow

[@pinkraven7043]

I don't see how when Natlan has some of the most variety and effort in design and environments compared to most past regions. Even the presentation of lore has become more intense (Ochkanatlan.) YMMV on whether you like it or not, but they made it a point that every tribe in Natlan had to be distinct from one another and they are. And each mode of travel and Saurian each tribe has also has to be different. This isn't as simple as Sumeru's desert VS rainforest environments. The amount of work presented in each part of Natlan is NOT a sign of "not caring." Just because (mostly American) people's opinions about it are mixed doesn't mean it's a product of "the devs not caring."

[@sleepysun3082]

idt you are genshin player how you said fishing not rewarding. it gives ornamental fish which is very pretty and alive in teapot

[@SammyDeAgent]

No.

[@janek1031]

Yes.

[@Gengchen82]

@@janek1031 No

[@hypotrain]

Didn't watch the video but are the numbers addressed? Cuz that's the only thing that matters

[@justrad7637]

wtf is fizzling out?

[@janek1031]

@@justrad7637 I'm ESL so I might be wrong about that, but when you open sparkling water or any other soda it does the fizz sound. And if you left it open, if fizzles out, as in, loses it's quality. That's how I understand it xD

[@fighterinmkiwiscience3517]

​@@janek1031thanks

[@eclairfarron7366]

So stupid!