Is Geometry Dash Getting TOO Hard?

[@OneAlphaHelix]

I've seen your comments about the pacing; I'll work on it in the future! I wanted to speed up my videos a bit since I felt like they were too slow but I may have gone toooooo fast. Your feedback is much appreciated!

[@thebeanlord8272]

Nah I like it when it’s slower, maybe I just like longer videos lmao

[@hue69]

there was also a lot of text imo but thats just a personal thing

[@jonathanfrankjrgensen3696]

Imo This is a bit too fast rn

[@Solusss]

I feel like the pacing itself was pretty decent, but you were talking super fast throughout, it was kinda hard to keep up with it. Slow down a slight bit, and the pacing will be positively affected as a result. Other than that, great video :)

[@abugidaiguess]

yeah, there's definitely better ways to have fast-paced videos than to speak at a million miles a microsecond

[@TypicalDaveMC]

Honestly, you speak a bit too fast, but you are SEVERLY underrated! If you work on the pacing of the video. You can and most likely will become a staple in the GD community! I wish you the best of luck!

[@Drip..]

Fr, I had to check the speed of the video to make sure 😭

[@TypicalDaveMC]

@@Drip.. lmfao

[@The_Been]

It’s for the gen z attention span

[@TypicalDaveMC]

@@The_Been Lmao too true. (Even tho I am *Technically* gen z)

[@MeltyNote]

I identify myself as millennial

[@laskouide_newragingbulls]

A top player telling this question,this video already fire

[@patriotseangd]

Difficulty can make a level less enjoyable but it’s not the sole reason a level is less fun, it’s just harder to make a level harder with the same amount of enjoyment. People complain about avernus’ gameplay mostly because of the fixed hitboxes and not because of the actual gameplay or idea of buffing it. A level that’s made to be more difficult just needs more learny gameplay such as kyouki or gameplay that is simple but doesn’t feel forced such as minusdry. A great way to achieve gameplay like this is to make the difficulty as you create the gameplay.

[@slippymcnut]

Diamond, who is going for first victor, said it isn't even close to as bad to play as people are saying

[@Lewaph5555]

Wow, you are already both one of my favorite streamers and content creators. Keep it up Alpha!

[@AeonAir]

I think the thing most people miss the mark on, and I will admit I did believe as well for a long time, is that people want the list to be approachable and accessible. I for one don't agree with the notion of the list levels being worse now than before, and I believe a lot of people who think so simply aren't good enough to complete the levels in a timely manner. I think the wide range of levels currently makes for a much more interesting list, with lots of levels to choose from. Going back just a couple years, there were too many levels that were too similar, now not so much imo. Yeah there are levels that resemble eachother a lot, Nine Circles levels especially, but looking at the broader list, there are so many cool levels now. People just group inaccessible and bad together because they can't play them. Sure there's a bunch of bad levels on the list, but that has always been the case.

[@Nospaceflickered]

AEONNN

[@LordVadercraft]

The main issue is just people assuming that difficulty automatically lowers enjoyability when they have no relation

[@xStarz05]

Imo they don't have a direct relation but can definitely affect each other indirectly. It's much more difficult to create enjoyable gameplay thats still extremely hard. So there are less "fun" hard levels that exist than "fun" easier levels

[@CacoPholey]

In my experience in a game like GD with community made levels, enjoyability for the first couple levels of a new difficulty generally sucks, but after people grow more familiar with that range they learn what does and doesn't work and people end up making more enjoyable levels (this doesn't necessarily always 100% apply but I've seen it in other games pretty consistently)

[@Zumbigary24]

@@xStarz05 hiii xstarz

[@Periwinkleaccount]

Well, it is hard to make a level harder without affecting the enjoyability.

[@super6070]

Lord vadercraft the verifier of some of the most hated list demons

[@zYuko13]

I make lots of hard levels, but I always want to approach it with the mentality hat gameplay shouldn't be an afterthought. I've done that with Vehemence and plan to do that for most more levels I make

[@Zoink]

nope!

[@deetz23]

LOL

[@leos4286]

Not for you living macro ☠️

[@beans3158]

we're talking about regular people

[@bronxdadog]

Zoink is using zbot

[@beans3158]

@@bronxdadog nuh uh

[@leos4286]

Im so hyped for this helix,you are truly one of the Best content creators in gd, keep it up bro😎💗

[@TheLastGame666]

Levels are getting harder, and the players are getting better, It'll keep going this way till we reach the skill limit, and even then people will just prolongue levels to make them even harder. Can't wait to see how hard is Eternal by Riot once it releases.

[@geekinhard343]

There's always been a competition for the hardest level in the game. its not gonna stop and many levels that are absolutely terrible to play are gonna keep coming out. A few years ago the whole current top 10 would be considered impossible. You can still play fun levels, but if its in the top 5 nowadays, it probably wont be a super fun level lol.

[@infrences]

Fun levels would be based on click pattern, song choice and deco theme more than anything. It took me months to beat Thanatophobia, but 3 days to beat Acu. That was because Acu was fun. If a level with insane difficult has a fun click pattern and actual good theming and a good song, it can still be kind of fun, but that is not a thing that happens often.

[@ElevensGD]

I mean we’ve been asking this question for the past 6 years or something but now it actually feels more realistic considering the hardest levels usually have less quality and thought put into their gameplay.

[@thesinzer5458]

there are a few upcomming top ones im hyped for (the amethyst,vehemence, grief, and a few others) but all of them has something memorable like outstanding deco, a theme i like or just a lvl i find interesting. i liked avernus at first but the gameplay i heard is unberable...

[@v4ct]

maybe this is a hot take but i think relying on difficulty isnt always bad in a level. for example, in kyouki it adds a ton of intensity to the gameplay. despite kyouki being an amazing level regardless of its difficulty, the difficulty definitely makes it much more memorable and in examples like that i think it uses it well.

[@OneAlphaHelix]

It can be very good if done right! It’s very hard to do though, Kyouki is an outlier in that regard.

[@haros2868]

When you drink coffee instead of water

[@niroi_]

Heyup! Thx for using my vid!! Small correction tho, the vid itself counts not only upcoming top 1s but Also everything currently harder than neutra or other top 30s, (btw i'm talking about 5:34)

[@OneAlphaHelix]

Well aware of that, just wanted to bring up the fact that there's a loooot of upcoming stuff x)

[@hormigatomic1]

Watched the whole video at 0.75 speed and it felt like a normal video Very interesting!

[@SyncronedStuff]

For a second I thought I had my youtube video player at 125% speed

[@Sevant]

The top 5 levels in September 2021 are as "bad" as the current ones they are just easier. People are overthinking in my opinion

[@pohgii]

I feel like limbo might be a good top 10 but I always exclude it from my list of best ones because it's so horrendously optimized

[@wndy_lndscpe]

Small correction: minusdry actually is a nerf of an impossible level, that being silent dry

[@Plutonical_]

Bruh why are all you vids lately so fye

[@hzdi11111]

3:54 MARIO AND LUIGI DREAM TEAM BOSS MUSIC RAGHHHH

[@moz6388]

Without a doubt. Yes. I like using Osu as a comparison because games like Osu are hard. But it only takes mastering three sets of skills to be able to beat the hardest levels there are. A new player can dedicate a month to getting good and then he'll start playing some of the hardest levels. You can't do that in GD nowadays. The ceiling is way too high and there are over 10 sets of skills you need to master but unlike Osu, every skill takes a lot of time to master. In osu it can be kinda easy for a lot of experienced gamers because the skills are generally just Aim/precision, Reaction time, and speed. Which are skills that exist in almost every shooter game and everybody has played a lot of shooters before. In GD you do have Reaction time but added to that is all the game modes + skills that you don't see in any other game.

[@Yusuketh443]

muscle memory is enough to make you good at every game

[@petrikhorr]

@@Yusuketh443 absolutely not

[@EnglishM4]

Y’all remember when there was one UPCOMING top 1 then it would fight with pre-existing top 1s(Erebus, sonic wave, yatagarasu) and it was set in stone what was top 1 or not

[@notveryultraguy]

I definitely would remember aod more mostly because I'm one of like 15 people who kinda care about the unrated demon list, and old aod is already the hardest level

[@AleMusa]

"Do your remember bloobust?" 💀

[@MasterOfDonkeysGD]

very well scripted and put together video, my only critique is how you sacrificed a bit of annunciation for speed when talking. it still wasn’t too hard to follow, though!

[@KittilyKat]

If someone doesn’t like playing list levels, then they shouldn’t play them.

[@banana6960]

0:46 "finding a hay in a nail stack" (bro speaking in 4x speed)

[@leos4286]

4:25 if we talk about Best,he is and its an objective fact,but hes also the greatest in most peoples eyes,its obvious that hes the best ever,but the influence he has in the Community to the point where almost every top player uses his icons and hes called a living macro by people,hes both the best and the greatest ever

[@Qua11e_]

I realy think that 2.2 wasd mode ( idk how its named, just that thing were u can go backwards in levels) will DESTROY the demonlist.

[@xStarz05]

Platformer mode, and I don't think it will be allowed on the regular demonlist. Maybe they'll create a new list for it

[@jambott5520]

Honestly I think difficulty and fun are mostly seperate. What makes a level fun is not exactly an easy thing to define, but for me I just kind of like wacky gameplay. I like the jank shit, ozpectro level style things. And this goes all the way up to extreme demons. I am also pretty sure if I got a whole lot better I would enjoy acheron, as while it isn't exactly my style it is within the range of stuff I find fun. There are also some styles of level or gameplay that I enjoy that absolutely do not translate to extreme demons, but the fucky hard to figure out ozpectro style is something that super appeals to me as an extreme demon, even at the top of the current difficulty level. Its like a puzzle that you can only figure out by performing multiple frame perfect inputs, frustrating and insanely difficult but insanely satisfying once you finally do it.

[@RobinBlanke]

IT'S TOO HARD WITHOUT HACKS!

[@anonymouspig992]

I hate how normalized mega hack is like practice music, show hitboxes, switchable start pos, no death animation, speed hacks etc all make practicing so much easier to the point where it’s way harder to beat top levels without using them. Essentially it’s using hacks to make the game easier. but there’s no way to enforce not using it so it has to stay sadly

[@petrikhorr]

let's see here.. practice music: barely affects practice when you usually use start positions for anything higher than a hard demon. show hitboxes: this is barely used for actual gameplay. show hitboxes on death: doesn't make enough of a difference to really matter, and if it's gonna be banned, then only ban it for invisible-style memory levels. no death animation: again, makes the tiniest difference. speed hacks: ...come on basically, maybe you'll practice like, slightly easier. but it's not enough of a difference to matter. it's not like you need v7 for the important stuff like fps bypass. (which should absolutely be allowed, if it wasn't most of the top 10 probably wouldn't be verified) any of the other hacks are either like, obviously this isn't cheating, or literally just noclip. you wouldn't be saying this if it wasn't called mega hack.

[@Thezeropro]

I really like your content very entertaining👍

[@kyotosan_]

In my opinion the demonlist is just a list with the hardest levels and you are not forced to beats them.

[@KhaosTheGoat]

A wise (not so much tho) man once said "once the list was made for the levels but now the levels are made for the list" . So true

[@Monkeissmartness]

"whats not to love about limbo?" personally i think it's a glorified recent tab level

[@cyprusxstepofficial]

Put the video in 0.75x Speed Now GIMME LIKE!

[@martyej3689]

Great video as always

[@luhfaidzed3618]

I do think that difficulty has defenetly risen up for all levels and standards, if Change of Scene had come out two or three years ago I think it might have been a medium demon, and just going to harder difficulty levels some feel like they should be insane.

[@Clubette]

First top 1 in 2.2: *slaughterhouse but it is spinning*

[@ultragd69]

this video sounds like an ace attorney case I love it

[@derami0]

0:45 finding a hay in a needle stack

[@Zalaoros]

I so ready for this.

[@Didulous-D]

Hey alpha i remember this one time on stream i said i was dorry for missing tartarus and then you said "its fine, feel free too come anytime" and everyone in the call started laughing at you

[@DarkAngry]

Levels are like homework : do it smart, not hard

[@deltaaimee]

it’s not like pockewindfish will accept any solid criticism about avernus lol, it’s practically dead in their hands

[@petrikhorr]

the most crybaby host in the universe

[@tjcurlyfries]

lets be honest tho... if the demonlist didn't exist, the top players wouldn't be nearly as good as they are currently the list gives people way more motivation to play harder levels, thus improving their skills

[@martinauld670]

This is the first time I’ve had to slow down a video to watch it

[@RayZorSticks]

I think I'd remeber Nhelv rather than AoD if it wasn't on the demonslist because of it's unique decoration style

[@burningfiregames6015]

top 10 rappers eminem was too afraid to diss

[@dirhi]

bro is this sped up by like 2x

[@bloxyyt]

bro speaking in 1.25x speed

[@Nyekseida]

One thing I really hate about the game is the levels detail standards. You cannot play any newer/ recently made rated levels one a trash pc.

[@vulblhotdiessfi]

If Wpopoff, a fucking 12 year old can beat Slaughterhouse. Nah, we're fine for a few years.

[@GDLightshade]

Yeah age doesn't equal skill though

[@NameName-ho3ej]

younger people generally have quicker reaction time and learning and muscle memory and stuff

[@vulblhotdiessfi]

@@NameName-ho3ej I know. Newgen just pisses me right the hell off. So weird to me you can have 0 Knowledge or experience of the history and historical events of GD, but still rise this far up. Pre-pubescent kids beating Slaughterhouse just does not sit right with me at all. Makes me feel like Geometry Dash was never hard to begin with

[@petrikhorr]

@@vulblhotdiessfi oh no, someone that hasn't been played gd for 17 years plays the game and gets good at it. the world is ending. this means the game is no longer hard. because history knowledge = skill obviously. i will now continue to hate on them because they're young.

[@thebe_stone]

for top 10 levels, i dont think enjoyment really matters, because so few people actually play them. i think all that really matters is difficulty and decoration, not gameplay. it's not like good levels have been replaced by super hard levels. if the hardest levels are too hard, just play easier levels.

[@averagelizard2489]

Worst opinion I've ever heard on this Topic hands down! Gameplay >>> Deco. If the gameplay is bad, the level is OK at best, example: Kocmoc.

[@renzgmd]

bro's rap god 💀

[@hiscool1525]

Nice Video!

[@holdengd]

The long story short, yes.

[@JoshTRC]

honestly i'd rather see a GOOD top 30 than a bad top 1. for me it feels like zodiac was the last "legendary" top 1.

[@Raevahn]

In my opinion, the game is not getting too hard, it's just that some creators are sacrificing time making fluent gameplay for taped together parts or cheap "buffs"

[@Tex582]

Slaughterhouse could’ve been so much better I remember Doggie nerfing it to be a more fun top 10 but then SpaceUK “verified” it making it way less enjoyable and balanced

[@ERRR0RR]

Current SH is THE hard level that people bring up when talking about difficulty, and here you are saying that it being some anticlimactic hardish level would be better?

[@Tex582]

@@ERRR0RR lots of people have said that 24-100 on the current version is very enjoyable but the pre drop ruins the level so I am saying that the level would be better but since most people only care about difficulty I guess you can make the argument that the level would be worse if it wasn’t so difficult

[@PaperGuy_]

This game can't get too hard as long as easier levels are being created along with the harder ones

[@Tapwater56766]

Is this video sped up? I watched it in .75 and it seemed completely normal to me. Great video tho

[@danigarcia2294]

Bro i geniuenly thought i had the video at 2x speed

[@Tolu]

Bro speed running the script

[@NicholasKaiserYT]

I thought u were speaking czech at the beginning 😂😂

[@livingroom5899]

Thought I was watching in 2x speed for a moment XDDDD

[@NickMineboom]

no one is going to force you to play those levels...Just enojoy the levels that you like

[@nufflegd3527]

Eminem: Finally, a worthy opponent..

[@EvanDaGr8]

Wacky-ass prediction: When 2.2 drops, there will be a pre-2.2 list and a post-2.2 list.

[@MiguelSD]

interesting prediction it would be interesting to see this fr

[@Arcticgdnmore]

Bad prediction because 2.2 will never come out

[@petrikhorr]

interesting, since 2.2 will lock physics to 240

[@olikow2009]

2.2 should be coming out in august of this year

[@ytkerfuffles6429]

its not that its too hard, we just need to make levels longer so theyre not full of frame perfect bs

[@petrikhorr]

gee, i wonder where i've seen a top 5+ level that's really long...

[@ytkerfuffles6429]

@@petrikhorr about that, since mindcap said he would release return 0 as just the layout this year, im going to go for it

[@lonaxexert]

x0.75 is the way to go

[@FoxLadyQueen]

Bro has composition with Eminem

[@SnapSkull]

Bro speaks faster than the speed of sound.

[@paddy-daddy]

I thought my video playback speed was at 1.25x

[@jenath]

I love your videos

[@lux4554]

watch at 0.75 speed

[@amonke8446]

Underrated

[@Lamellae]

My take on this is that it is not necesarily a crisis for the list to be TOO hard.. improvement can (sort of) be tracked in the legacy list until one is truly ready to take on a level from the extended/main list, talking in terms of the near future, and beating a level from the list would be seen as something that was easy in the past but now is actually challenging.

[@senjentix]

One word. Yes.

[@skelatongamer4476]

If anyone thinks he speaks a bit to quick put the video in 0.75 it makes him slower and is still easy to understand

[@zairycastellotelo3080]

I see it the only extreme demon i can potentianly beat is deception dice cataclysm bloodbath sonic wave

[@powd4068]

Hey, great video, but I think you talk a bit too quickly, I enjoyed the video a lot more on 0.75 speed than normal, but other than that it's all good!

[@xd3athclawx554]

geometry dash hardest levels are like a list of the hardest farm maps in osu. Super short but packed full of difficulty for maximum pp. Similar to the short gd levels which are sort of just retry until you beat it levels, similar to farm maps.

[@kittinanpakboon8129]

But with permanent PF on.

[@xd3athclawx554]

@@kittinanpakboon8129 I guess more recently i would agree with that. couple years ago i would say just sudden death on instead.

[@AiriCloud]

Though I've only been active in the community for a few years, I remember already back when Tartarus was top 1 that people would say the list is too difficult and levels harder than Tartarus cannot be fun because of their difficulty. Fast forward a few years and we have Limbo, Kyouki, Edge of Destiny and The Hallucination proving them wrong. Note how none of them were top 1 at any point . Top 1s tend to be either old impossible levels or levels that were made to be difficult rather than good. That's why it seems like any level harder than the current top 1 cannot be fun, but it's just an illusion. In my opinion, the list is not too difficult, and cannot be.

[@Vombi1]

i have only one word to say: xqc . if you know you know

[@Dumpatron3000]

sakupen egg > sakupen circles

[@Yusuketh443]

sakupen ball >>>>>>>>>> sakupen egg

[@KanSanyara]

watching this video I thought it was sped up jeez

[@_fireflyye]

3:33 they literally did?

[@thexwwolfxw]

bro watching this at 0.75 seems normal

[@thebe_stone]

easier levels are still coming out, you can just play other levels.

[@imdobbergd]

I needed to slow this down by .75 bc u were talking too fast

[@aptspikeybird1005]

Same

[@Patrick61804]

Forgot to mention the potential great buff of 2.2 with 240 being effectively the max fps

[@SyncronedStuff]

And what's the conclusion? Don't let Zoink buff levels. *_No hate tho i like zoink but his balancing skills are horrible_*

[@marcstafanov8431]

Agreed

[@alviGD]

full hate and i hate zoink i hope we find out he hacked i despise this racist edgelord