Is Giannis to blame for Milwaukee Bucks LACKLUSTER start to NBA season? | Draymond Green Show

[@FloydWhoElseTV]

No Thannasis, no wins. You can see the energy missing from the bench. He was really there morale leader and energy compass.... People dont understand how important that is

[@viratshivam]

Lonzo Ball would be a great addition for this team

[@poloregal]

FACT

[@SnakeyD8468]

He's washed

[@uno1728]

If he could stay healthy

[@keepitahundo3655]

This what I always said 💯💯💯💯💯

[@akwesirobinson1710]

Facts he the perfect solution lonzo ball and Marcus smart

[@lyrics9830]

It’s the doc rivers effect. 💁‍♂️

[@greyyb8860]

Giannis is still avg close to 30 in the paint, last year it was a hard 30 and he’s still scoring in the same area lol he was already 60% last year and this year, his game looks better their problem is turnovers and lack of bench scoring

[@kjjr3270]

You people be blaming him for everything 🤦‍♂️

[@lorenlewis4103]

​@@kjjr3270 Doc is ass. He has the most talented teams and is overrated . He's outdated. You'll never hear a superstar say he was the best coach I ever had

[@SRT_DRE]

@@kjjr3270so you think it’s only a coincidence every team he coaches implodes?

[@BlackKen_M]

😂

[@Nate97-]

Bucks need to get GTJ more involved and make him be the third man up while khris is out.

[@roccboss9490]

Facts but he shying away a lot more than I’ve seen him playing with 2 more aggressive superstars I get it but let it fly you’re absolutely right Nate

[@angelak34]

are u crazy??

[@sohamjain7803]

bro he aint good, he aint khris middleton man

[@jaredmiller5739]

BD said it best! Neither one of them is there to set anybody up! Had dame got what he wanted and went to Miami life would be great

[@greyyb8860]

Well yeah and bam pretty much plays like a traditional 4, giannis on the other hand, not so much which hurts their chemistry

[@emerystheimmortal417]

​@@greyyb8860 I was always taught it's more on the point to decide these things

[@ninerempire3398]

Dame is overrated

[@krisrealone6961]

Giannis and dame are fine, they are not the problem. The problem is the supporting cast.they suck big time. Their bench is averaging like 10 points. Its pathetic

[@ssfinman]

They are not doing a good job at integrating their teammates rn

[@greyyb8860]

@@ssfinmanthey’re passing to them, they’re not playing hard enough

[@krisrealone6961]

@@ssfinman they both average 7 assists per game and they all shoot 20%. Fck brook lopez is shooting 23% from 3 and 34% from 2...he is 7'1 and hes shooting 34%. They are disgustingly bad

[@ssfinman]

Sure, but if you watch the actual games, the ball is not moving around nearly enough. Its a lot of hero ball. Just bad offense.

[@kesleyparker5368]

These two legends just literally told you the problem.

[@WiseKings131]

Why we aren’t acting like Dame isn’t 34 years old, Middleton is 33, and Lopez 36. They don’t draft and one injury away from being out first round playoffs. I like what the Warriors did with there Roster when there players got old, surround Curry with a bunch of above average players and draft/develop players. I say trade Giannis and build the bucks the right way. We got to stop acting like the Bucks can maintain recruiting Superstars. Not sustainable especially when you have a GM/ownership that traded Holiday and hired Doc Rivers

[@skinnytimmy1]

Trade Giannis is crazy 😂

[@jbstreetdisciple255]

All facts but don’t trade Giannis he knows how to win he is champ Doc rivers system an style is dead 💀 the dude gotta retire he is a team killer

[@Charlieace1]

Davis is dropping Knowledge😎

[@marvincotton1919]

Baron was a Genius level addition. 2nd Best NBA Podcast. Only behind KG& All The Smoke 🏀💯

[@cedricnewmans7274]

You tripping 520 best basketball podcast women lie men lie numbers don’t

[@PlayersBall4Eva]

@@cedricnewmans7274 Gill the biggest then

[@mambamentality5080]

@@cedricnewmans7274 off numbers by your words you then must be talking about Gils Arena

[@cedricnewmans7274]

@@mambamentality5080 you right Gil been doing it longer but I think 520 be beats GA some episodes

[@BlackKen_M]

@@cedricnewmans7274you just said numbers don’t lie. However, men lie and women lie.😅

[@barrettsbucksbreakdown2446]

Would love to come on sometime and talk Bucks with y’all 🙏😁

[@DariusFuller-t9o]

Need that!!

[@MidxCity]

Giannis isn’t playing like Giannis because Khris isn’t playing right now. Khris knows how to perfectly get the ball to Giannis they play off each other perfectly. Khris is the perfect glue guy for both of them.

[@crashglass]

Giannis is literally still dominating every night. The teams system just isn’t playing as one rn

[@Gruvdude]

I agree cause there’s been plenty of times this season where whoever the ball handler was could’ve thrown a lob khris would’ve made to Giannis.

[@freddyt.mcgeechannel9874]

Excuses

[@StudioCooks]

lmaooooooo

[@92KM1]

It’s no only about Dame and Giannis, the way they play right now there aren’t maximizing the skill of the other guys of the team. It’s getting close to a 2 man show

[@BlueRibbxn]

I love the Duo you both let each other speak

[@MrKrabs-ho6gz]

Bd definitely a great addition. I fw bd heavy. He remind me of one of my older cousins😂

[@OhGeeGanksta]

For the most part, I'd like to agree with Baron and Gilbert, but the problem has been if Dame doesn't get going early, he just doesn't get going. The other thing is, when Giannis has been scoring this season, it didn't really matter. In the perfect world though, yes, I like that strategy.

[@j.hooper6749]

Agreed!

[@mambamentality5080]

that sounds like a dame problem.. aka portland trailblazers did him dirty.. he fits into miami heat system but they didnt send him where he wanted to go... jrue still on the bucks would have the bucks in contention

[@OhGeeGanksta]

@@mambamentality5080 I mean... yeah, sort of. Ultimately, both Giannis and Dame need to find a way to make it work. Even if it means do things that they're not necessarily used to. Nah, they can't score with Dame, they can't score with Jrue either. Especially with Bud out, even with Jrue you would've lost out on some of your def eff and the off would still stink. Unless, the rumors are true and Giannis is asking to be traded out. Then that's another solution too. lol

[@bucksn6ix]

Middleton most underrated part is his passing

[@LukeFX1111]

Dray's Pod is actually pretty good, its got some insights into the game you don't get else where.

[@jokahzo]

The traditional media depiction of Doc and the players view of doc is so interesting

[@emerystheimmortal417]

I know who I trust

[@albericponcedeleon2696]

Lakers vs Bucks is gonna be a JJ Redick revenge game 😂

[@uno1728]

It’s crazy. It’s like telling your friend his ex was terrible and he just keep talking about the times it was good with her

[@riichyU]

Baron said it all, I hope the bucks coaches and players listen

[@TonyG-b2s]

Giannis never is held accountable. He wanted another superstar knowing it will cost your good role players. He got his winning coach (Griffin) replaced. The media continue to give him a pass.

[@SwartzAC]

Bring pat bev back

[@ssfinman]

If Pat was still useful he wouldnt be playing in Tel Aviv

[@onetake721]

Can’t be throwing balls at fans head and pushing cp3 in the back knocking him to the ground 😂

[@AVAXII]

@@onetake721 you are kidding? idk about CP3 thing, but he definitely isn't out of the league for throwing balls at fans. NBA doesn't give a shite about fans. You look at the player wrong, you are thrown out of the arena. You say something bad about the player, you get punched in the face by his mob. Players went to the stands and beat people up. They kicked and punched whoever was in their way. Punching people in the face for no reason. NBA saw players beating fans up, and they didn't kicked them out forever. I can assure you Beverly won't be throwing any balls at fans in Europe, that is what is certain. He can push the most popular player in the back tho, and nothing will happen (outside the court). He sure won't be blackballed.

[@DodoMuse]

He doesn't want to say "Doc Rivers is not good enough to figure out how to win with this team."

[@92KM1]

It’s not only about Dame and Giannis, the way they play right now they aren’t maximizing the skill of the other guys of the team. It’s getting close to a 2 man show

[@leimanchan]

Love the pod with bDavis

[@amsterdamgraham8278]

Doc Rivers and Darvin Ham entered the group chat

[@josephmcbeath3604]

Baron Davis speaking facts.

[@QW22312]

Ots more about the supporting cast then Giannis and Dame, sure they can be better together, but their bench always gets killed.

[@emerystheimmortal417]

I think the two best players have not found a way to play well in a 2 man game. That is what the team needs to win. At the moment it's like 2 teams different teams our there because the way Giannis scores in the offense is different to Dame.

[@entertainmentoomuchUs]

I've been waiting for this

[@katsuki9246]

Loved how baron made the point about communication and trust. It really is all about it, they system isn't workin because there is no communication to make it work.

[@Mattdubb23]

Bucks should’ve picked up Scotty Pippen Jr or Tyus Jones and moved Dame to the 2. Middleton is never in the lineup and injured for huge chunks of every season. The team isn’t getting the shots they’re used to because Jrue was a pass first pg, Dame is not that. He’s looking for his shot and if it’s not falling it’s an L for the bucks. Brook is lost out there as well and needs to be replaced by a more athletic 5.

[@TonyG-b2s]

Doc system is the same. When his team's are up, they continue to launch 3s and not feed the best player. This has been a losing formula for Doc when he was coaching the clippers, 76s, and now the Bucks.

[@devonjohnson808]

Good asx basketball talk 🫡🫡

[@infinity558mippy8]

Ill admit these past 2 losses should be on Giannis the turnovers have been killers and he has ran 2 coaches out the building, always talks about getting traded making the orginization panic and make irrational decisions just to keep him happy i Love Giannis one of my favorite players but most of the blame should fall on him

[@tommyvasdekis3371]

Dame has the most turn overs and he's a point guard ffs, you can't blame a 7 footer for turn overs it's crazy.

[@infinity558mippy8]

@tommyvasdekis3371 yea but that 7 footer also brings the ball up the court very often and commits offensive fouls which are turnovers

[@marshallpinckney74]

​@@infinity558mippy8bruh I'm so sick of y'all bailing dame out with these lame ass excuses. He's a shit defender, subar playmaker, and inconsistent. His scoring output doesn't make up for him being a defensive liability. He gives up more points than he scores atp in his career

[@infinity558mippy8]

@marshallpinckney74 Oh I ain't bailing dame out💀I just didn't want to have my comment be an essay long about there struggles

[@4olufade]

Everyone is scared to point out Giannis' short comings

[@JJwestoakland1200]

Seems like Dray playin better dis season!! GSW Hoop

[@MarGwaffingzz]

It's Doc Rivers time😂 from Boston to sixers and then here! He's the best coach in the NBA😂😂😂

[@jeffreyhudson4993]

I like bd and dray this is dope

[@BNTministries]

This is a great conversation by both of y'all cuz Draymond has one of the better basketball minds I've ever seen so what is the solution are you guys recommending they get rid of doc because wouldn't that be detrimental after they've already went through these coaches so fast

[@albericponcedeleon2696]

They should've never fired Bud in the first place. I understand management's frustration with Bud losing the same way in b2b years, but there wasn't a coach that was both available and clearly better than Bud. Putting Doc and Ham on the same bench can't help either. Vibes must be horrendous after each loss.

[@lamontbarnes2803]

I liked how they were able to be constructively critical without being disrespectful like other podcasts.

[@RezzyDocYT]

Baron and Dray is a fire combo, keep running this up… Ben Simmons would be perfect but Giannis would have to be the center and Ben the PF

[@tonytone1395]

Nah bruh nobody wants Ben Simmons

[@RezzyDocYT]

@ lol he could be good on that roster

[@thelastquincy1457]

U would destroy the spacing on the bucks by adding ben simmons.

[@RezzyDocYT]

@ true but already don’t have no distributors, maybe keep brook in and use Trent as a 6th man (depending on he’s getting traded ofc)

[@elizaschaeffer34]

giannis really isn't ideal for center at all

[@ayoPHREEK]

Man I wish he could give a detailed breakdown of "they only play in patterns"

[@youngcity4241]

Baron Davis explained the situation perfectly

[@costasmanoleas3527]

Baron brings a lot of very valid points

[@MinMaurice]

I belive in Doc Rivers as a coach. They are implementing a system and it takes time.

[@Zach-g5n]

Why tf would Ben Simmons be on the court with Giannis wtf

[@elizaschaeffer34]

that's totally false. giannis definitely sets people up for shots... he's a great passer and playmaker. team just bricks it all 🤷‍♀️

[@thewatcher5550]

Is this the entire reason why Doc was brought in?

[@BillTony2]

I wish nothing but the worst for Doc Rivers. It also does not help that his brother has a roster spot.

[@karsenmitsche4630]

@@BillTony2Thanasis isn’t on the team

[@dungaanatole1469]

​@karsenmitsche4630 bruh that's because he's injured, he'll be back soon

[@IknowMoreThanYou]

​@@dungaanatole1469🧢 he's out for the season and I bet if he had a spot Giannis would play better

[@goodymob9638]

​@@BillTony2Why would you wish bad for another black man, y'all be saying the dumbest shit. The Bucks are garbage because of the moves the owners made, and they wouldn't be any better with Griffin. Watch the Bucks play, they don't even give a 100% effort. I told people the Dame trade was going to haunt them.

[@TheXander2004]

5:00 thanasis was actually needed 😭

[@newagelive3542]

They need someone like Lonzo Ball They don’t have enough ATHLETES they play to slow and old in the full court and half court .. They don’t got enough reliable 3 & D players surrounding Dame & Giannis My only critique about Giannis would be he doesn’t set good picks and I think he should play in dunker spot when Dame is doing pick and roll with Brook Lopez

[@lamontbarnes2803]

This right here. Lonzo is a pure point guard that could set up both Giannis and Dame. He doesn't care to score, but could hit the open 3, unlike Ben Simmons. Tyus Jones would work as well.

[@newagelive3542]

@@lamontbarnes2803 Lonzo is big and can defend perfect matchup piece against Celtics .. Tyus would fit offensively not defensively but agree with the premise

[@RozierII]

You wanted Doc as a head coach

[@naklovesjesus3204]

Doc... Was the consultant.... Back stabbing Griffin 😅

[@4olufade]

When your best player hustles hard and creates chaos, your team takes on that identity. Steph in GSW, along with Klay, let you know what playing against them was all about. Chris Paul and lob city. AI in his first six seasons LeBron's teams and his snipers

[@damianwallis9452]

Ben Simmons on this team is not the worst idea , great call Barron . DHO guy , great defender , definitely won’t get in the way with shooting . 😅 . I like it .

[@JSmith-kh4vo]

I believe it was 2 or 3 Bucks games ago. The game was tied in the third and I sat there and watched Giannis go possession after possession turning over the ball, and when he wasn't doing that he was trying to force his way to the paint missing shot after shot. No urgency by Doc to get the ball out of his hands or a timeout to talk to him. He called iso each play and the other team went on a run. I watched Dame the whole time and I knew he was thinking 'wtf is this guy doing'. I think at that point Dame was done because he came back in the 4th and just jacked up bs shots because Giannis literally gave the game away. Players like Giannis should be grateful that the NBA game is the way it is because the way Serbia locked him up and forced him to take jumpers in Europe he'd never last in a league like that. I hate to watch guys just bully their way to the paint and rim run because they have no skill outside of doing that.

[@dreamcage1801]

It’s early in the season and more of the players are injured because players don’t practice hard enough no more and worst of all they are not in top peak shape.

[@mikeehrmantraut5801]

Couldn’t agree more ! Ben Simmons is exactly what the Bucks need, his defense and playmaking would add so much balance to the team and honestly, Giannis and Lillard are going to love him for his pass-first mentality with Ben more focused on setting up his teammates than driving to the basket himself, it’s the ideal setup for two guys who love to score. Perfect match

[@WhynotJuice]

Hell no

[@michaelkeitof4666]

In todays nba it’s impossible to run a team with 2 non shooters in giannis and ben Simmons

[@dariusfoster7431]

Ben Simmons is over he’s playing trash on the nets Md he only play 20 mins a game hell no‼️

[@slyman39]

He'd have to take at least a 60% pay-cut before we even begin to talk about adding Ben Simmons to the roster ...

[@EBurks-fw6ze]

Giannis- face up two dribbles, 1 dribble jump hook, drop step dunk. 2 dribbles and Kick to Dame Dame- pull up 3s and penetrate and lob to Giannis

[@caine2746]

Your a damn MVP talking about I don't know who I am.

[@xxaznnamja04xx]

No One: Baron Davis: you know what i mean????

[@DeadWhalesSociety]

Lol nice

[@OJTheBLAK]

Giannis needs to adjust his game to allow Dame to be Dame. Giannis gonna be Giannis regardless, he needs to set more screens and roll hard to the rim when there’s space. Alot of this is on coaching and the front office and the league just passing them by as the years went on, but it starts and ends with Giannis imo

[@Bdawggg300]

Identity almost took him out 😂

[@sneakermantone]

Facts go crazy for my parlay sakes

[@DeathRow24]

I’m just happy someone signed BD to talk basketball.. guy is a gem

[@sinatra6773]

Draymond had 3 pts and 3 rebounds without Steph and Wiggins playing it’s over lol

[@colereviewsyt]

And he completely locked Zion up😂 I swear people just be typing

[@trigtrey7862]

He held zion too 8 he was locked in on defense last night

[@emerystheimmortal417]

You clearly did not watch the game.

[@sinatra6773]

@@emerystheimmortal417the comment was made the first night

[@marshallpinckney74]

​@@colereviewsytZion had 31 on over 60% fg how tf is that locking up? You sir are the one whos saying anything😂

[@dariusfoster7431]

Soon he said Ben Simmons he lost me 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@MrFranchize99]

I got what he meant a playmaking defender. But definitely not him lol

[@nozzir7301]

Dame and Doc gotta go, we need a defensive minded coach and Giannis not being in a good groove means much more than Dame not being in one. Giannis needs to pull a lebron and get those guys out. We need a point guard who is a consistent 3rd option and can play solid defense

[@AlibucketsBeats]

I blame Milwaukee. They went all in for Dame, and it burnt them. Bro is 34, I think, and is getting older. I feel like Miami would’ve been able to cover his shortcomings on defense, but they ain’t want that trade to go through for us 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@gamechangerswithfabianlyon7882]

Bucks clearly not playing for each other. Not doing the extra things off the ball nor bringing the energy necessary to be a contender.

[@mow1537]

I mean, Giannis wants him to be aggressive, Dame was giving up the ball whole first quarter last season to GA and let him cook. Now he shooting a bit more to start, you want him to not.. Its about the balance between both. Theyll be fine. Bobby is the BH.

[@poloregal]

Dray you did your big 1 by adding The Charlotte Hornets Legend

[@lewistee1]

Blaming Doc and his system without saying what about his system is wrong or doesn’t work.

[@Jack-bt8mm]

This is what bucks players need to score to be good if im doc i want this in order Gianni's 30pts a game Dame 27 pts a game Middleton 20 pts Brook Lopez 13 Thats 90 between them

[@-TurboS]

Bucks got no assets to bring help for this team. They’re not going fire Doc because they already paying two coaches. They’re in a situation rebuilding or retooling around Gainnis which includes trading Khris and Lillard. Only was recoup the assets at least.

[@Dolph96]

This baron guy actually is great at talking basketball it’s almost like he played before

[@vibes8878]

I wish I could see yall tell them that

[@isaiahbighorn5725]

Lindy should start tonight

[@mauricesmith5511]

Giannis game has been figured out. He hasn't developed a jumpshot nor a post game. He's also not the quickest guy on the floor anymore. Dame needs Giannis to develop a shot or post up so that they can spread the floor.

[@MinMaurice]

Baron hasnt been watching actual games. Ive watched several Bucks games and Giannis IS pushung the ball off rebounds and initiating offense. Giannis is actually in the post more now than ever.

[@thewatercooler2]

'You know what I mean', I'm happy I don't have any liquor. And I've no clue what Baron means, it's all just words without meaning.

[@folag]

These 17 minutes conversation are a long-winded way of saying that Doc Rivers is clueless, and is well on his way to wasting the Bucks's 2024 season.

[@Slyrock-1000]

Why is no one blaming Dame? Dude dodged working out this summer with Giannis and didnt even go to Giannis wedding. He moves like he isnt serious about meshing with Giannis or even Milwaukee itself

[@kaysheye7784]

to be fair, Dame did want to go to Miami and NOWHERE else, it's not a personal issue with Giannis, he's angry at his former GM Joe Cronin more than anything else

[@dominicharris5489]

Trading jrue for lillard bad move Firing mike bud, then griffin, then getting doc next bad move

[@uswe3712]

We cnt get a true depiction of bucks b/c of Middleton is out but rn bad trade.. both stars need the ball to catch a rhythm and dame is not a true pg.. someone has to take a backseat that’s why holiday fit so well b/c he would play the best defender and let Giannis dominate the ball and wait for the open shot

[@drummmer05]

when u have DAME & Prince , U Ride That 3 train till they cant shoot anymore!!! ; if they dbl or triple THEN Giannis gets easy layups... but USE The 3 ALOT

[@JJwestoakland1200]

Run TMC n Baron Davis my fave Warriors b4 Steph n Sprewell!!

[@mikex1463]

ben simmons? hell nooo... its gonna be 4 vs 5 on offense 😂, sag off on Ben every possession.

[@Revawd]

I was with him......and then he said they need Ben Simmons..😂 Im sure the spacing would be awesome

[@LyricalMurderer1]

T Lue would be a great fit to coach this team…

[@Jack-bt8mm]

Why dont the bucks let Gianni's cook for the 1st and 2nd quarter and half way thro6ghe third then let dame cook from 6 minutes into 3rd quarter to the 4th tell brook Lopez to rebound block shots and score atleast 12pts

[@CrankyKong317]

Dude getting his exit plan ready

[@yourguyty4156]

Ben Simmons stop it

[@StickChef_]

Man I fw BD but I can’t see Ben Simmons being the answer, ESPECIALLY with Doc over there 😂

[@trabertgraneau3323]

It looks like the Bucks are still suffering the effects of losing Drue Holiday. And Dame hasn’t been himself since leaving Portland

[@melaniaaugustine1289]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@angelak34]

Giannis is Giannis. everyone else isn’t pulling their weight.

[@tharpporter]

I said that we needed Ben Simmons a longgggg time ago

[@jjsavior]

"we don't have an identity," is he tone deaf? Does he not realize he is the reason the team doesn't have an identity right now?He got rid of the coach that gave you an identity, and had him replaced with a bad coach. He also wanted Dame on the team and got rid of Dru Holiday, a crucial defensive piece. Now I hear he wants to leave the team to go cause damage somewhere else.

[@Th3N0t0ri0us_E]

They should’ve hired Terry Stotts

[@jamilabdus-shahid4619]

I preferred the show when it was draymond solo

[@hard2grd]

They need a dog in there , like a Miles Bridges someone who can come in right away and to match The Greeks energy . Greek is the only physical presence they have . Dame is just not aggressive enough .

[@cedricnewmans7274]

Doc Rivers is a team killer the first big 3 fool the people like he a good coach

[@rioflores7022]

Doc Trash

[@frantzlapointe9965]

problem is Dame hates the pick and roll. He's allergic to it.

[@plsstoptalking]

They don’t play for each other, no chemistry at all