is Gloom weaker than Malice? - Zelda Theory

In one of my earlier videos, I made a small comment about Gloom being weaker than malice in tears of the Kingdom and you all disagreed. So lets talk about it. where is malice in the tears of the kingdom? Gloom vs malice
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[@wutmagna7222]

I think the main difference between Malice and Gloom is control. Malice is the substance that leaks out from the sealed Demon King. It leaks because the seal is imperfect, but remains separate from Ganondorf's control because the seal is intact. As such, it coalesces until the residual hatred it contains builds until it is enough to become self sufficient and strike on its own as a Calamity Ganon. However, as the seal weakens, the substance starts to come back under the control of the Demon King himself. It then does as he commands. Not just destroy, but to poison the world and infect it's inhabitants. To weaken what remains in preparation for it's Master's revival. As such, Gloom is not able to damage as quickly, but is able to seep deeper and cause more lasting damage. At it's purest, it can permanently rob the life force from a person, as happens in the opening act and the final boss.

[@ElysetheEevee]

This is kind of how I figured it all. Seems to make sense to me, anyway.

[@dsur5547]

Malice is also pretty weak on its own without sheikah tech enhancing it. Pure malice enemy’s have only 1 hit point and can’t do much damage. Gloom on the other hand can even form roots and strengthen ganondorf.

[@p-doggo5787]

​@@dsur5547gloom seems more "tactical" than the malice,the malice just attacks you like a beast without brains and gloom stores in faster minions,can create an "artificial blood moon" when it concentrates (hands spawns) and whipes your health at a slower rate,but much more dificult to evade and heal.

[@CaptAnark]

My take on it is that it actually reflects the mindset of the source. For example, the malice from Calamity Ganon, a being simply wanting destruction, just harms you. Gloom from Ganondorf seems to be more strategic as it weakens you and prevents immediate healing.

[@Cwronaga216]

In the final fight with Ganondorf he actually uses the malice you are familiar with from breath of the wild with some of his attacks with the purplish color and if they hit you while you have hearts affected by Gloom it shatters them destroying them completely otherwise it just deals regular damage alongside Gloom. They are essentially two different forms of the same substance

[@LordFlint]

Addressing your point on how gloom is weaker to sunlight, (Spoilers!) I think is why in the final boss when Ganon swallows the secret stone he says he will create an "eternal night" possibly to have his gloom as powerful as possible

[@gabrielabatista6016]

In the (spoilers too) dragon fight he even creates a big blood moon even if it's daytime (I'm not sure if that fight can be on nighttime, actually) when he's on his last strand before you give the final hit.

[@sputnikmann6541]

In terms of the actual substance of Malice, not Calamity Ganon itself, I think it differs from Gloom in one major way. Malice strikes wildly at anything it touches. It's like a powerful magic acid, wearing down anything and everything it comes into contact with in an attempt to destroy it completely. Much like Calamity Ganon itself, it has no intent or purpose other than pure, unadulterated death and destruction. Gloom strikes at the soul. Less consentrared Gloom acts like a sickness, draining away vitality at a spiritual level until there's nothing but a husk remaining. Hell, I'd even be willing to bet that's whay those roots in the depths are, funneling the drained energy back to Ganondorf. It is focused, purposeful, leaving the enemy drained or dead while simultaneously empowering Ganondorf. Because Ganondorf doesn't really want to destroy Hyrule, no; he wants to dominate it.

[@gplgs4640]

So basically, malice is like an uncontrolled acid, while gloom is a calculated poison

[@SirLiamothy]

Gloom to me seems much more powerful because gloom can semi permanently destroy your hearts

[@AbsurdZeldaTheories]

I address this in the video ^_^

[@skistorm739]

​@AbsurdZeldaTheories the secret stone that inpower ganon wouldn't be powerful enough to create the substance, maybe because training to make it powerful.

[@skistorm739]

​@@AbsurdZeldaTheories and the sand fish he summon exist before got inpower why so the monsters existed before inpower state so those that mean

[@liamtolan47]

glorified "first comment"

[@doutchebags]

​@Ski Storm A Secret Stone only amplifies one's abilities. It doesn't give the user any new abilities. He had to at least be capable of making the substance in limited quantities before obtaining Sonia's Secret Stone. He is shown commanding an army of Molduga and even creating a false image of Zelda before he even has it in his hands, so he clearly had a high level of evil magic under his control maybe even as far back as his childhood.

[@Lulink013]

There's this woman in Kakariko village who needs poridge to heal from touching gloom. This means going outside isn't enough for her to get her health back, unlike Link, right? What if rapidly healing back this way is only possible for him and Zelda? I think I also saw some Yiga journals talking about how slow it was to heal via sunlight (and a pain, since they don't get any in the depth).

[@MercyKnifed]

I think it's because Link and Zelda are full of pure sacred light power that the sunlight uses to heal them of the gloom poisoning

[@dsur5547]

An npc near the chasm south of lookout landing can’t walk cause of the gloom either

[@joshie3]

A little off topic but I wish they kept calling it malice, gloom just sounds kinda goofy

[@nathansingh2934]

So fun fact from the Japanese translation the better word for it in English would be miasma so feel free to call it that

[@joshie3]

@@nathansingh2934 ooo that actually sounds a lot better

[@med5674]

My personal theory is that Malice was a specialised form of gloom specifically made for the purpose of the corruption of technology as was Ganon’s strategy in the second calamity and his targeting of the Guardians and divine beasts. My reason to think this is that we only ever see gloom corrupt technology once with the spirit temple construct and I noticed that it takes a lot more gloom to corrupt than malice with it covering almost the entirety of the temple where with malice it only needs one relatively small blast to take over a machine of similar complexity

[@D20_Roller]

Those aren’t “new heart containers”. The game directly tells you that you’re restoring, through lights of blessing, what you lost to the darkness.

[@ZorLink21]

Gloom comes from Ganondorf himself while Malice is a physical manifestation of his unstoppable rage. All the malice evaporated after Calamity Ganon’s defeat, which is why we don’t see any in TOTK. Gloom is overall more powerful, as during the final battle, it can literally delete your hearts, and not just that, it can summon bosses like malice and corrupt constructs as we see through the seized construct similar to how malice corrupted the guardians in BOTW.

[@master_atlas]

Malice was probably only as concentrated in Botw because it sat there for 100 years prior, which can also explain why previous entries don't have malice puddles of sorts.

[@LinkachuTriBall]

Gloom is definitely stronger, yes you do "get your hearts back" but they're still empty so gameplay wise it's effectively like loosing a heart

[@jark06]

I think this is fair since malice had 100 years to build up and form in botw

[@jessica-ov6js]

Saying that gloom and malice are the same is like saying water and ice are the same. They both contain the same liquid but because of the cold it transforms into ice. Because of the rage or revival or whatever happened to the malice, it transforms into gloom.

[@myleswelnetz6700]

Yes, and the reason why is because you can heal from Malice, but not from Gloom.

[@notoriousyolkhound4600]

I feel like Gloom is more fine, getting deep into the body of its victim and actually enveloping them in it, whereas Malice is more concentrated and appears stronger and more stable, however only does surface level damage.

[@dreaming_caiman]

In the japanese version malice an gloom are known as onnen and shoki. They are pre-existing concepts in japanese folklore. So much so that the evil of Majora is described also as onnen.

[@JackOfNone97]

I heard one theory that malice came from the near mindless beast that was Calamity Gannon and was more lashing out attacking anything that came near, but gloom comes from Ganondorf who is cunning, cruel, and calculated, so it slowly methodically destroys and scars the land and people

[@flolfiest]

During the Ganondorf fight. His attacks shatter the heart containers rather than just cracking them. The shattered ones don’t regenerate in sun or from gloom food.

[@mercury2157]

Gloom isn't weaker than Malice at all. The Gloom is clearly an ability Ganondorf gains to its most powerful extent once he has the Secret Stone, and unlike Malice, which can only affect things eternally such as Naydra, the Master Sword, and water (the Guardians aren't organic so they don’t count). Gloom affects things from within, as we see when Link uses a Light of Blessing and flushes it out of his body, and the weapons that are decayed from the inside outward. Malice only causes surface harm but Gloom can degrade anyone and anything it touches, beyond repair in some cases.

[@silversonic1]

Now to nickname my Gloom "Malice"

[@lukaswithakay]

Do one on the blood moon! I feel like the blood moon may be completely unrelated to the evil currently possessing the world. Or maybe if not unrelated, even a -cause-… Perhaps the moon we saw in Majora’s Mask has more importance than we realized.. EDIT: Ganondorf was able to control and direct monsters BEFORE he became the demon king. Where is he getting his power from? EDIT EDIT: Majora’s Mask is canon in this universe.

[@mikelewis3127]

Gloom doesn’t permanently take your hearts, not even in the opening cut scene. Sunlight, different meals, and armor restore heart containers, and the shrine challenges cleanse you of gloom, so you can pray to Hylia to restore your heart containers and stamina vessels that were lost in the original cut scene due to gloom infection.

[@imagomonkei]

I'm not sure how this factors in, but Malice was somewhat alive, with eyes and everything. I like to think of it as Calamity Ganon keeping watch outside Hyrule Castle. Gloom must be an evolution of this since the Gloom Hands not only have eyes but can actually chase Link.

[@iouiscolingreen1373]

I thought you were wrong in the last vid. You explained yourself and chnaged my mind. Banging video nice one. 👍

[@Blue-fg8vt]

In their most common forms, i wouldn't even consider one better then the other, rather two techniques of the same tool. One is slower but has special requirements to be recovered from and one eats away at one better, but is easyer to be recovered from. I would personally use gloom where it can go to its fullest potential, and where it fails i'd have malice pick up the bat.

[@edgarjuarez2241]

I can agree with gloom and Malice being essentially the same thing, however, the difference between them and why I believe gloom to be the stronger version of the substance, is that, while it's true that the damage from the gloom can be removed with sunlight, you can just stand on Malice as long as you have a way to heal the damage, yeah malice acts faster but it's effects on the average hylian are more superficial than Gloom, not to mention Link seems to be a bit of a special case when it comes to healing with sunlight since other npcs seem to take longer to heal from it.

[@tazdidiscool6235]

when you kill a temple boss, malice comes out from them (the pinky purple) and the malice explodes too

[@derrekingledue3138]

I disagree with two points in this. First, I see the two substances as similar, but different. Yes, they both originate from a form of Ganon, however malice generates the stal heads and produces those eyes that link can destroy. Gloom will infect creatures, sure, but these stal heads are absent, and there exists no way to even temporarily remove gloom from the land. The second point is that, in my opinion, gloom is more powerful in a lore perspective. Gloom deteriorated most of the weapons in the land. Now, gloom is more traversible than malice. You can ride the construct to avoid contact or eat dark clump infused food to stave off the effects, but you could similarly avoid contact with flying machines

[@derrekingledue3138]

That being said, love the video. Anything that lets me obsess and overanalyze this game is greatly appreciated

[@LordDarrenysus]

As a massive spiller for the final boss fight . . . . . . . Both Gloom and Malice are confirmed in game (although malice not by name) to be just forms of the Demon Kings magic Now where is the proof? The Demon Dragon has the malice eyes emitting the purple smoke and they don't damage you by standing near them, whilst the body has the red smoke and deals gloom damage to you whilst you make contact with it So yeah just with a little detail like that it answers the question that they're the just the same thing with different purposes

[@unusualjdawg96]

I think that your sunlight theory may be correct. The malice in botw has been on the surface for a long time while link was in his little hot tub nap. The sun theory would also explain why the light blessings in TotK are what removes the evil in his arm and helps him regain hearts and stamina.

[@aidenosewart721]

I would call the stuff coming directly from Ganon "Calamity"

[@darksim0]

I was also thinking that Malice and Gloom were mostly the same thing, but I viewed Malice as weaker because it's Ganon's/Ganondorf's power while he's still trapped behind the seal. There are also mentions of people getting sick from proximity to Gloom and breathing the gas where there is no mention of such for Malice so even though in game mechanics Gloom harms Link less and is easier to shake off, I think narratively Gloom is intended to be more potent.

[@Bigsaltygamer]

i like to think that gloom is a form of concentrated malice which is more powerful due to gannon's seal being undone.

[@DraperJake]

It's like how Demise isn't actually named "Demise." That's just what they call him in English. In the original translation he has no name, but is simply "The Bringer of Demise." Malice isn't the name of the substance, it's just a translation from a figurative form of Ganon's malice to the actual name of the substance in English. So they are, in fact, the same thing, they just used a different translation.

[@tomyjohnny]

nah bro gloom and malice are 2 different things

[@firenze6478]

I wish they kept it miasma. Sounds way more terrifying than gloom

[@xenolink8612]

In the Botw tip screen it is said that malice is a mixture of Calanity Ganon's hatred and .... water? So yeah. Go look it up if you don't believe me. Also would love to see you make longer vids. ❤

[@draconicstar1895]

I think a good way to look at it is your resilience to pain. For example, falling. When you fall off a small cliff, depending on your constitution, you may or may not break your arm. I think Malice hurts in the same way as pain, very quick and painful instant damage. Whereas I believe gloom is more of weakening your bodies constitution to pain. So where someone might not break an arm in some circumstance, they may break their arm in the same circumstance if they were affected by gloom. Which one is more powerful depends on how you see it. Malice seems to hurt you faster than gloom, whereas gloom makes you more susceptible to pain and damage.

[@Bustnq]

Gloom is a powered up version of malice by the secret stone simple as that.

[@bagelgod946]

They should have kept calling it malice because gloom sounds so much less intimidating

[@fruit3193]

Malice on a surface hurts you, and you can heal. On the other hand, gloom on a surface both hurts you and also removes your ability to heal. Malice only creates random monsters and a limited number of guardian-powered bosses, whereas gloom can create Ganondorf puppets (i.e. Phantom Ganon) without needing to use existing structures. Plus, Phantom Ganon is controlled more directly by Ganondorf, whereas Calamity Ganon is more like a mindless beast. My personal conclusion from this is that gloom is a stronger, more concentrated, more targeted/controlled version of malice.

[@user-bg5cu9zw2g]

Gloom is more consentrated form

[@strawberry-sundae]

I think gloom has to be the same as the stuff in the ocean temple from phantom hourglass. The hourglass kept you safe in the temple for some time, but had to be recharged in the sun. Coincidence? 👀 I think not. Also, all the bosses turn into sand when they die in totk. I think if the hourglass existed in totk it would protect you from gloom.

[@franciscodelico]

The fact that Malice physically hurts you, while Gloom "makes you sick" should be enough of a giveaway that Malice is stronger than Gloom. It also does twice as fast. And in all actuality, Malice could very well make you sick too, and take hearts away semi-permanently. The thing is, the entirety of Botw takes place in the surface, so any sicknes taken by the Malice/Gloom substance would be healed pretty quickly, thus not needing a game mechanic representing it. Also, the fact that Malice is much thicker, so much so that it makes Link slow down when walking on it, and even make freaking physical columns of itself??? To me, it was pretty obvious Gloom is what Malice eventually comes from, but very recently put in place, which is why it's much weaker (and yeah, I mean MUCH weaker). Another thing is that the Japanese name for it is much closer to Miasma, or maybe Evil Aura. That's much more representative of what it actually is. Is the miasma or evil aura of Malice. It's not a separate substance, but rather the form of that substance. When Ganondorf attacks Link, in Japanese, he literally calls it "My miasma/dark aura", which kind of makes sense because he's loosely calling it "That whatever thing that's coming from my body", and Malice sounds more like a name given by Hylian citizens later down the line. There's also the fact that people might now call it Malice because, to Hylians, the Calamity is over and this new phenomenon might be completely unrelated. The substance shows notable differences in color and structure as well, so they might now have wanted to relate it to Malice until they were certain it came from the same source (which honestly, in-game, they never actually receive proper confirmation. For what it's worth, Zelda might just claim Calamity Ganon and Ganondorf as two different evil beings). So yeah... I thought it was pretty clear Gloom is weaker than the physically damaging so-called "Malice", but this opinion seems to be the minority vote on this dilemma

[@felixhepworth1296]

I mean except how the gloom shattered the master sword and broke it so badly that it took TEN THOUSAND years of being in the light dragon's sacred power to only be restored to it's former power

[@franciscodelico]

@@felixhepworth1296 Two things 1: What makes you think the thing that Ganon DIRECTLY shoots out of himself, concentrated and continually to Link and the Sword, is in any way comparable to the little ponds of soup on Hyrule and the depths? 2: Never did Link plunge his sword on Malice or anything like it. AND EVEN THEN, he got his Sword damaged and bruised in Botw during the calamity, being attacked by malice-fueled guardians. So I'm not sure what you're trying to say here

[@dsur5547]

But gloom can take hearts in the sunlight as well. It only goes away if you are out of it and in sunlight. Plus ordinary npcs cannot recover from it naturally so we can’t use link as an example. Malice is more single minded in its goal which is to destroy but gloom is capable of much more weakening and strengthening whatever it wants. Plus the strongest malice things we fight are part sheikah without that technology it would be much weaker

[@felixhepworth1296]

@@franciscodelico also gloom corrupted every single metal weapon in hyrule

[@Nightenglisch-cy6ly]

About the sunlight.Just Link and maybe Zelda get healed from gloom by sunlight .Other people have still problems even when they are on the surface like the grandma in Kakariko. Probly because both have some sacred Power. Link from Raurus arm and Zelsa simply her sacred Power.

[@NerdEmoji1067]

I don’t think that gloom becomes malice because of being on the surface. Because in BotW all the malice from the memories is pinkish purple. Like malice. My theory is that malice is from calamity ganon and gloom is from ganondorf himself. I think people are over complicating it.

[@MrBeklager]

Everyone knows that sludge is the most powerful substance

[@larrynutter3363]

I love all your theories! Keep them coming no matter how "absurd " they may be!

[@AbsurdZeldaTheories]

Aw thank you that means a lot

[@EvanBerganDE]

I have a theory that the reason link gets his hearts back in the sun was because he has Rauru's purifying arm. Other characters seem to take permanent damage from gloom, like the old lady in kakariko village. I feel like malice only hurts you when you touch it, I'm gloom poisons you until you take an antidote

[@nimboss]

To me, Malice seems to be evil intent given form, like hate or rage manifesting itself in a sort of living goop. This is why evil, aggressive organisms seems to emenate from it, and also it seems to hurt those with good intent while empowering those with evil already in the hearts. Gloom, on the other hand, seems to be a more insidious evil influence that hurts living things in a more hidden way. It seems to be absorbed into the bodies of people and physically weaken them, but it also seeps into their minds, making them feel sad, hopeless, lazy, etc. pretty much accentuating evil vices and emotions and influencing them to be evil.

[@sparrowsinn]

i like to think of gloom as diet malice

[@Quinn.CVB2026]

malice is stated as water that was corrupted during the calamity

[@EpicRandomness555]

Lol, I did a double take when you referred to yourself as Absurd Zelda Theories.

[@enzoforgets9456]

Imo its not weaker. Its just not as immediate in causing serious damage as victims fall ill to it, but unlike malice do not begin to start dying immediately But it is harder to get rid of once in contact

[@AbsurdZeldaTheories]

Thnak you so much for 9000 subscribvers, got any questison for a 10K QandA? Ask them here

[@wenoay]

what's your fave game outside of the zelda series?

[@chilly1167]

Do you enjoy the fact there are so many side things to do in Zelda or does it feel overwhelming?

[@PHiLLy2c]

Oh wow i just realized this is BirdKeeperToby dope

[@Drac9866]

I been thinking gloom is just a more potent and controlled form of malice. since the character profile for Ganondorf mentions the calamity had weaken the seal on him. and then the seal being fully undone once the game starts

[@TheWiicube]

Does BirdKeeperToby need a hug because of the hands?

[@cairneoleander8130]

Let us recall the Sorceress of Shadows, Veran, from the Oracle of Ages game. Twinrova/Koume and Kotake intended her to (English version) “flood the land with sorrow” so that they can resurrect Ganon(dorf) (I think). Given that the Oracle games were the first Zelda games the director of BotW and TotK worked on, could this “gloom” be a direct and possibly blatant reference to specifically this? A lot of theories have been floating about the twin mothers of Ganondorf since they are specifically named in TotK. Might this be a theory worth exploring?

[@perestrelo6808]

Hi Toby, I was rewarching the Zelda diary form botw and she says that she had a dream with a beautiful woman speaking to her, but her voice couldn't reach Zelda, Zelda also mentioned she couldn't tell if that woman was from this another world or if it was a goddess. Do you think it could be Hylia herself or Sonia? Please make a theory about it!

[@Wizardof52]

Before watching the video I just wanna comment that I think malice does more damage than gloom but gloom is permanent.

[@joichigamemode3219]

Did you really just say the source of malice is weaker than it's offspring?

[@SafiExists]

I enjoy your videos thanks for the great work!

[@AbsurdZeldaTheories]

Thank youuuu

[@recht_voor_zijn_raap5506]

Why so gloomy? Cheer up Its a sunny day. No need for all that doom and gloom. Sorry had to do it 😅

[@docAvid314]

"It becomes Malice, which, if you stand in, you lose your heart containers at a much faster rate than you did with Gloom" Nah, you don't lose any heart containers with Malice, only hearts. Gloom breaks actual heart containers. And while sunlight or sundelion food can restore them, that's still a huge step up from simply draining hearts, which any food can restore. Honestly, this is called "absurd Zelda theories", and this is the first video of yours I've watched, so maybe this is the point, just trolling with things that obviously aren't right? I was hoping for kinda crazy, but at least vaguely plausible. EDIT: OK so your conclusion, "is one stronger than the other generally? Not really, they're the same thing." Yeah, you got to a very reasonable conclusion, not absurd at all. It's actually kinda weird that the Zelda devs felt the need to come up with a new name, and act like nobody in Hyrule has seen this strange substance before, when the "malice" form was all over the place not long ago.

[@Haunted_Rug]

Can you do a theory on where the rest of the zonai are in the past because we only see rauru and mineru and ganondorf says they are the last two zonai? I personally believe they become the shrines because of the swirly energy that emits from them is the same as rauru swirly energy holding ganodorf

[@Trixie_Lavender]

I dunno, Toby. You can argue that malice is stronger, and maybe you're right. But gloom... That's nightmare fuel Also, absurd theory for you. Spoilers for the game for anyone who has not yet pulled the Master Sword So, in Zelda's memories, we see her become an immortal dragon, the Light Dragon. But she's not the first big, scary, friendly dragon. We of course see Naydra, Dinraal, and Farosh. Do you think that the Oracles, Nayru, Din, and Farore, from the Oracle games went through the same or similar process? I'm sure I'm not the first to think so. Some probably thought of this when BotW came out, but now we know the process

[@ElysetheEevee]

From what I found on this specific subject (I had the same questions), those three specifically were created as somewhat automated guardians of the springs and didn't manifest as dragons as the other did. It doesn't seem like there's much on the idea currently, that I could find, anyway. I'm interested in this as well.

[@Trixie_Lavender]

@@ElysetheEevee and that's what makes this better for Toby to cover than someone like Zeltik

[@spunkyfunkymonke]

I feel like gloom is more driven by ganondorfs ego (SPOILER) in the bossfight ganondorf constantly barrages you with comments about how he's so much better than you, showing his ego and malice is more driven by control, and gluttony, (taking over the sheikah tech) idk tho thats just an AbsurdZeldaGuess

[@Mr.M3447]

I just watched an old video about a connection between the Zonai and Twili and honestly if there’s a third either direct or spirit tracks-esk sequel to TOTK, then I hope that the Twili could be involved, heck maybe even involve Majora and confirm that old theory too (though this is just hopium talking)

[@-Tiredoctoling-]

I know this is really off topic but I really love the art style your drawn in, it’s really cute

[@AbsurdZeldaTheories]

Oh thanks, that’s my friend Matt Ley, (ThatLaserBearGuy) he’s fantastic *_*

[@-Tiredoctoling-]

@@AbsurdZeldaTheories oh cool I’ll have to go check him out

[@Gzilla313]

I feel like they are two sides of the same coin. Gloom and Malice are energy projections from the Demon King, but Gloom is purer while Malice is a less concentrated form of his power. In the same way a Blood Moon is the least pure form the Demon King's power takes, because it is the same substance as Gloom/Malice projected onto the moon to revive the monster spirits.

[@imposter7460]

Gloom and malice are completely different because they were created by two different beings ganon and ganondorf malice made by ganon posses things gloom causes very bad illness and if near it too close you can die or from very concentrated and strong forms can permanently alter your health

[@wutmagna7222]

No, they have the same source. Calamity Ganon is a malicious entity that's made of malice. It doesn't create malice, just controls it to do things like infect guardians, create monsters, and summon the Blood Moon. Malice still comes from Ganondorf, just like Gloom. It's two different forms of the same substance, and they both come from the same place.

[@dsur5547]

@@wutmagna7222just because they have the same source doesn’t mean they are the same I can spit and blow my nose and have two separate substances that act differently.

[@nzpowa._.6662]

Hey. Ya think aoc ganondorf could beat harbinger ganon and his big buffed form?

[@_itsmunah]

Personally I think they are the same. I think it’s just a developers way of making the game seem more different than it’s predecessor But.. by Nintendo standards gloom shattered the master sword malice didn’t.

[@coryfreake9070]

I think malice is stronger because it can act as an extension of Calamity Ganon himself and can pisses things. We see this to it's fullest extent with the blight ganons, divine beasts, guardians, malice monsters, and even naydra. In terms of how powerful the substance itself is, gloom can definitely be stronger, but when malice is used by someone with the strategic and cunning mind of someone like Ganon, it has the potential to completely destroy Hyrule. I think the reason for gloom and malice manifesting in different forms is probably because Calamity Ganon and Demon King Ganondorf are 2 seperate incarnations of the same entity.

[@fishnewt1331]

I’ve never seen someone look so excited to be proven wrong. Unfortunately (or fortunately???), I don’t think you’re wrong. Seems pretty accurate.

[@ElysetheEevee]

He's saying that precisely because he doesn't believe he's wrong lol, or at least that the cheeky touch I interpreted. I like him, but he can ever-so-slightly... how should I put this... boastful. He's been wrong about things before, and those get thoroughly glossed over and ignored, from what I've seen, in some cases at least lol. That's one aspect that bothers me. Otherwise, I love hearing the theories, and the knowledge he has is immense.

[@EsporHB]

Videos from adhd creators tend to be a bit difficult to listen to sometimes. But well what should someone do about it

[@RespawnGod]

I agree completely, I didn't think there was enough variation between gloom and malice to warrant a second term for it myself. I don't know if you're taking theory fodder atm but I'd like to know how long you think it's been from the end of BotW to after we wake up in TotK I've come to the conclusion perhaps 3 years give or take a few months I came to this as my final answer after helping with Hudson's daughter

[@ElysetheEevee]

I thought it was more about 6-8 years, also given Hudson's daughter, and some other things. I can't wait to get my book for this game. I want to read it lol.

[@The_Alex_Croft]

this make sence

[@TheAngryChickenMan]

Not gonna lie, I never actually thought about gloom and malice being the same stuff until now, but now that you say it, they both definitely very similar, so much so that I'd argue that they are the same exact thing! I don't know why people are telling you that you are wrong about it as I definitely think you might be right about it! Anybody who says that you are wrong and that they are two completely different substances are obviously not very smart, so don't listen to them 🙂

[@Cman04092]

Ok with your clarifications, I can get on board, although I basically think its a moot point consider all 4 to 5ish forms of gloom/malice in the 2 games are all essentially the same thing, just different concentrations, forms, and conditions like time it's been there. I mean the malice in botw has been festering there for 100 fricken years while link has a little nappypoo in the shrine of insurrection! Wait, no, that's not it... The shrine of big errections! Wait, that's not it either... well whateva, yall know what I'm talking about, it that shrine place in botw that... I guess you would say it...resurects links. If only I could remember the damn name... lol.

[@Unpractical-dude]

Hey I’m going around spreading positivity everyone have a amazing happy life have a amazing summer

[@MintyyKing]

Malice looks better and is the og

[@KumaBones]

Here's an absurd Zelda theory: Ganondorf keeps trying to destroy Hyrule, as an attempt to free the Gerudo and all the other tribes from Hyrule's rule. From his perspective, he doesn't like that Hyrule wants to rule over everyone else. He's actually the good guy, being portrayed as a bad guy because he's simply on the opposite side. However Link's and Zelda's memories are constantly tampered with, so that they only recognize Ganon as a cartoonishly evil villain, and they never find out the truth.

[@PJCVita92]

Be blissfully and stubbornly ignorant to FACTS and LOGIC all you want! But, as much you just really think Malice is cooler or that you love BotW more, Malice is still FACTUALLY the WEAKER form of the substance! This is proven LOGICALLY by the FACT that Malice ONLY merely HURTS you. "Gloom" on the other hand is FACTUALLY the much STRONGER form as it's LOGICALLY proven by the FACT that the substance NOT only hurts you, but also WEAKENS you damaging your hearts BEYOND repair, except for with the help SUNLIGHT! Sunlight is an important detail because it's SOLE REASON WHY Malice is WEAKER! You said so yourself that Malice is formed because the evil from Ganondorf's corpse had been exposed to sunlight for so long. The reason Malice only hurt you in BotW was because the SUNLIGHT WEAKENED the substance! This is even further proven by how the CLOSER and MORE direct the EVIL is from Ganondorf's body, the MORE DANGEROUS it is! Also, we've seen how "Gloom" effects everyone besides Link. The stuff had even made a person very weak and ill to a point that even the light of the sun's rays alone isn't enough for recovery. Link is able to survive the harm of "Gloom" more than others because of Rauru's arm. Also, whenever he is weakened by "Gloom" and then has his heart containers restored with the assistance of sunlight, he still keeps the damage done to him until he eats food to heal up. That all said, regardless of whatever you say or what your argument is, the 100% FACT that "Gloom" is STRONGER than Malice had all made every claim of "Gloom" being weaker invalid because the substance FACTUALLY isn't! And finally, "Gloom" in TotK is ACTUALLY Miasma according to the Japanese version! And Miasma is known to be much DEADLIER than Malice given that it is often an airborne form of the same substance. Just look at Miasma in Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles (the original)! A person can NOT even set foot in an area covered in Miasma without falling ill. We didn't anyone falling ill or dying due to malice in BotW. Why? Because the malice in BotW is SO much WEAKER because of sunlight. Probably the ONLY supporting argument for your claim is what to happened to Naydra in BotW. However, we do NOT know how long Nayda has been like that. And by the time we see her in that condition, the malice on her body is already weakened. So yeah, you're right Malice and Gloom/Miasma ARE the SAME! However, the substance is STRONGER in TotK due to the presence of Ganondorf's return! Also, the Zonai Constructs (Golems in Japan) are stronger than Sheikah Guardians in resistance. Hence why not as many of them were corrupted as Guardians. Anyways, go continue to say that Miasma/Gloom is nothing compared to BotW's form of Malice all you want, it's not gonna change just how FACTUALLY and LOGICALLY WRONG you are! Keep being ignorant loser! Fact that you even contradicted yourself in this video, more specifically the words you contradicted proves that you're officially the new MatPat. Congratulations!

[@natesrandomacts1391]

Yahaha

[@kayman4059]

Can you do a theory on why we had the master sword in botw but zelda had it the whole time as a dragon?

[@AbsurdZeldaTheories]

That’s not a theory, that’s jsut time travel ^_^

[@jojoman6971]

because the master sword in botw has yet to be sent back in the past??? the zelda dragon MS and the korok forest MS are the same sword but the korok forest one has yet reached the point in time where it is sent back in time to zelda to draconify with.

[@wonder2002]

Well, the answer to that is kinda simple, except when we are talking about time, its never really simple. The Goddess Sword becomes the Master Sword yes? And that Master Sword is the same one we see pretty much every hero weird. That Master Sword goes unscathed until we see it break in TotK, it is at that point that its sent back in time and Zelda does the whole repairing it thing. If the Totk pre-story happens before Skyward Sword, that would mean there was a Master Sword, before it initially became the Master Sword. Its the same object, in different points in time, so basically through out all of games, theres been 2 master swords essentially

[@gameinsane4718]

TIME TRAVEL! It goes to the past and hides until after its supposed to disappear from the timeline

[@RNGuice]

The game tells you…

[@breckinparsons3338]

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[@unusualjdawg96]

I think that your sunlight theory may be correct. The malice in botw has been on the surface for a long time while link was in his little hot tub nap. The sun theory would also explain why the light blessings in TotK are what removes the evil in his arm and helps him regain hearts and stamina.

[@unusualjdawg96]

I think that your sunlight theory may be correct. The malice in botw has been on the surface for a long time while link was in his little hot tub nap. The sun theory would also explain why the light blessings in TotK are what removes the evil in his arm and helps him regain hearts and stamina.