Is going Stage 2 worth it? - Subaru WRX

[@kwilt]

I get -1.41 pretty commonly on stage 1 OTS. According to MAPerformance (the tuner), -1.41 is a normal number for these cars and nothing to worry about. I've also confirmed that it's easily triggered by turning on the A/C, although, I have had -1.41 several times without the A/C on. I don't ever get any knock readings under heavy throttle though.

[@thedylan1956]

Exactly, sometimes I’ve gotten 2.81 because it reads it twice sometimes. But it’s just the ac so it’s fine, I only knew something was wrong with my o2 sensor when my DAM dropped to 0.875

[@shawnrobinson1183]

Good review, been running stage 2 on my 2015 for over 20k miles, much louder, faster, especially at top of RPM band. Shows what Subaru can get out of the FA20 wi. A few mods.

[@igotthejuice2090]

How much money would you really need to invest to get it to stage 2?

[@ericouimette9690]

@@igotthejuice2090 I'm doing it now 675 accessport 800 cobb jpipe qnd 480 grimmspeed stage 1 kit aka air intake and boot control sensor

[@zq4992]

@@ericouimette9690 thats usd?

[@lazylazy6969]

How's it running now 2 years later?

[@colinmusgrave]

@@ericouimette9690 what is a j pipe cuz im looking at an sti rn and it has a iag aos cobb sf intake a bov and a front intercooler Idk how I would know how much power that would be

[@blobeyeordie]

The knock sensors on these cars old and new are super finicky and pick up every and any little thing as knock. Like a heat shield rattle or a loose bolt clanking around somewhere and especially bad gas. I was also told this when I initially got my car tuned and that so long as youre not seeing higher numbers under heavy load or wot(preferably 0) and that your DAM stays at 16(older cars) or 1 (newer) youre fine. Even with a pro tune seeing little things here n there is normal unless your tuner adjusts the knock listening parameters(?) to not pick up certain frequencies etc. Thats what they usually do so you may only ever see actual "bad" knock events, tho otherwise youd still see little readings pop up every now n then.

[@BBB-fn3rj]

Rather than guessing if it's real or fake in hopes that a heat shield is rattling - pour some high octane fuel in your tank. If your knock sensors no longer pick anything up. It was real

[@631Reaper]

Nothing to be too concerned about until you start hitting -3 and so on.

[@paulmarsdensr8199]

Great video man. Great topics.

[@walkerbond1907]

What accessport mount is that? I like it a lot!

[@jameskocks4734]

my two cents. when i tune i run a 91 tune on 93 octane gas. if 93 isnt available and e85 is you can put a small amount to compensate i believe.

[@walkerbond1907]

I second this, I run 93 gas with 91 tunes. I also refuse to go to cheepo gas stations such as sheetz.

[@jameskocks4734]

@@walkerbond1907 you want to shop at gas stations that are busy so yiu know the gas isnt sitting. In Dallas we have up to %10 ethanol which when sits turn to water thus lowering octane.

[@paulmarsdensr8199]

Next year I might consider doing a stage 1 tune.

[@stevegoss9791]

you should do a stage 1 tune the second you roll off the dealer's lot man...the stock tune is CRAPOLA

[@hebegb1966]

I agree, I only went 1k before I did a stage 1 tune on my 2020. Totally worth it, it does smooth things out, plus you get a little hp out of it.

[@chosenjustin8249]

Did you??

[@tedwong6790]

I live in California and smog is so tight I was told that the intake is CARB legal all I have to do is re flash my access port . That what someone told me .

[@hebegb1966]

Any upgrade to the cold air intake requires a pro tune. I'm just about in that boat myself. I've got GS stealthbox coming in 3 weeks and I'm going to do a E-tune until I get my GS catted J pipe. And than I'll go into a shop for a pro tune

[@mikefields2243]

So how hard is it to get smogged and how much does it cost in so cal?

[@rich_morandini]

feedback is basically clutch so honestly i wouldn’t even monitor it, i was getting -11 sometimes because my clutch was fucked but fine is what you should worry about except -1.41 but anything more than that you should be worried

[@wrxstivideos7422]

That -1.40 is so normal i get that from stage 1 stock car and get it a lot but that’s normal engine is no 👂 things. Now when your dam drops that something to worry about. I have an sti stock stage 1 from Cobb.

[@daijoshua3046]

2021 CVT WRX, STAGE1+, think to get jpipe n ebc then dyno

[@andrewn5614]

Yes three answer is yes. I went e85 it's great

[@zachknee9858]

"Go ahead"

[@Smickyyy]

Woah??? A JMU shout out! 2016 grad right here and WRX owner ✊🏼

[@SergiRodas]

Ayee. I love JMU. That’s awesome

[@wrxstivideos7422]

Also what is the difference in j pine va down pipe??

[@ebihn14]

15+ wrx's have a jpipe, not a downpipe, but since olders wrx's and the sti's have a downpipe instead most people just call the jpipe a downpipe

[@Pack_the_Ripper]

Other than the single lane to dual lane further lane turn right at the start this is a rad video thanks.

[@Unclean_Official]

That didn’t bother me lol

[@tedwong6790]

Great video I just went to stage 1 yesterday thing of stage 2 very soon keep the great videos coming . Thanks

[@gaberon1]

How have u enjoyed your stage 1 tune now a couple weeks have gone by?

[@mattmattingly8646]

Stage 2 Cobb for my 2016 wrx was getting 22.6psi of boost for awhile then blew.

[@dynodyno6970]

Engine blew?

[@sshah2545]

What have you done to this car so far?

[@sagents4584]

Do you live in Michigan

[@chad_ryann]

ots tunes tend to knock (coming from my protuner)

[@jonathanhavel1036]

Did you or someone take out the restricter pill. I saw another Stage two upgrade video where someone tipped them off to remember to take it out.. its underneath at this rubber hose T Junction... I will leave the link for you to check out.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKDLfZeKe8qpn6s... At 8:08 they start to take it out.. it restricts the air flow somehow..

[@wrxstivideos7422]

What is a pro tune sorry I’m new to this staffs!??

[@Goodluck-hd5gp]

Dyno tune on top of the cobs flash or self tune.

[@remissiveslave]

Anything is better than stock tune, so as long as the risk of either by happenstance or because of q bad tune, you have warranty work denied. I'm really starting to grow comfortable with the risk because it's one of the worst cars to drive I've ever had and I've had slow ass grocery getters up till now if that tells you anything. It's becoming depressing driving this tbh, my 2014 Ford focus se 165 hp 5 speed was more fun to drive more responsive, and I've already replaced lower end in the wrx at 28k, no fault of my own. I drove my slow focus hard almost all the time and its motor head up fine, had 230k miles upon trading it.

[@alconesj]

-1.41 is usually the AC compressor or false knock

[@SergiRodas]

I always get it with the AC on but while I’m down the pull, I’ll see it appear. It didn’t do that on stage 1. Im really picky with those things

[@alconesj]

Yeah, Subaru made these engines with more knock sensors since the engine is direct injection. They employed a more proactive approach to knock control. Nothing to be worried about! Now if you go WOT and get bigger knock numbers, then be worried. If your DAM is at 1, you’re golden.

[@nicholas1116]

I know this is from a long time ago, but was your j-pipe catted or catless?

[@SergiRodas]

Catted

[@Goodluck-hd5gp]

What exhaust

[@cre8tivegarage157]

Nice video , nice pov

[@Laldrew24]

How much psi are you getting when you are on full throttle? I’m stage 2+ Cobb AP COBB BIG SF INTAKE ETS j pipe to Tomei catback I’m getting 14psi to me it doesn’t feel as fast Idk if I’m expecting too much from the stage2+

[@jakec4887]

Did you remove restrictor pill?

[@Laldrew24]

Jake C what is that...

[@jakec4887]

andrew castro look it up on KZbin. It can cause problems with underboosting on stage 2

[@mikefields2243]

33-35 mpg? I’ve never seen 35 in my 2020

[@remissiveslave]

I've hit 38 but was perfectly flat and 55 mph the whole time, I typically see 28-30 city and 32-35 interstate.

[@cdw584611]

The easing your car gives you is not accurate. It’s about 3 or 4 mpg high.

[@cdw584611]

*reading

[@remissiveslave]

@@cdw584611 I truly believe you. I swear I'm getting gas way more thsn it would suggest. Truly lodinh interest with this pos In general

[@somersfamily]

as long as your not getting knock at wot it's fine. I've been on MaPerformance tune and I get it when I am in slow traffic shifting back and forth and the ac being on. it's catching the shifts and ac on

[@somersfamily]

@Stev3 yes and had no problems. car runs 90 percent better then stock. better gas mpg, feels alot better and more power. I have exhaust also and some bushings and shifter mods, but that's about it besides wheels and some other goodies. I know people who have been on there tune 4 years now and no problems. Eventually I will go with an e tune from a guy that I heard nothing but good about. But he's in California so I would have to do it online (e tune) with a tuner doing data log back and forth. If I was closer I would definitely drive there and get a protein from him. What to eat tuna is just as good. I always wash my air fuel ratio, knock and everything else. Because obviously it is off the shelf tune, but I've never had any problems. So in the next couple months I'm going to go ahead and get that etune, I think it's around six hundred bucks

[@somersfamily]

@Stev3 anytime buddy

[@Ace62595]

What do you need for stage one? What do you need for stage 2? Thanks for the reply!

[@SergiRodas]

Stage 1 requires no mods. Stage 1+ is an intake. Stage 2 is j pipe. Stage 2+ is j pipe and intake

[@Ace62595]

Awesome thank you! I got a 19. Thank for your time man, keep up these awesome videos

[@chriswilson1968]

@@SergiRodas I thought stage 2+ was j pipe and cat back exhaust.

[@natethompson9258]

Chris Wilson catback doesn’t require a tune Bc it’s behind the cat so no real changes in airflow or fuel. Just sounds better

[@alapus7774]

@@SergiRodas can you just go from stock to stage 2 plus if you get the stage 2+ power package from Cobb like can you jump like that?

[@ryansmith729]

Subd and support for a local. New to the channel but recognize where your driving which is always cool!

[@AppleSemilla]

I get -3 knock feed back, is that pretty bad ? I’m at stage 1

[@jakec4887]

Wrx Johny yes that’s not good

[@Bigevilfishy]

From Cobb when I gave them a call. 1.41 - 3.8 is typical. DAM above .611 is also considered normal, but not perfect obviously.

[@tjlovesrachel]

33-35 mpg... wish I got that in my sti loll

[@SergiRodas]

Wish i had that STI rumble lol

[@SuperDeadRooster]

Seriously, you get this great of fuel economy regularly?

[@arizonacitizen3383]

Wait until you got flex fuel..

[@stock.cars.2ned]

No. Just stock car minus tgv/egr and tune to ethanol mix like e50-60.

[@jameskocks4734]

catted or non catted j pipe?

[@SergiRodas]

It’s catted

[@mookiesyed8770]

I thought I was the only one with the feed back knock.

[@SergiRodas]

These cars are very knock sensitive which is why gotta make sure you’re always going to a good gas station. I always do shell

[@jameskocks4734]

@@SergiRodas i want to add to this. always go to a gas station thats busy also. the gas goes bad because it sits. if its fresh its fine.

[@shawnsearle4724]

I also get the -1.41, sometimes at wot, but mostly just when driving with the a/c on. Not too worried about it. Been on the MAP stage 1 tune for about 3 months. I agree it is a major improvement from the stock tune.

[@mookiesyed8770]

I have the Invidia Catless Downpipe connected to my OEM midpipe and nameless muffler deletes. After really beating on my car the DAM Dropped as low as .638. The fact that theses cars are soo fragile sucks the fun out of it.

[@jameskocks4734]

@@mookiesyed8770 what tune do you have? How do you drive it?

[@k20a2toofast4u]

I work in the area, when can i see this in action? Maybe do a stage 1 versus stage2+...see the difference lol.

[@SergiRodas]

Next video: “I race one of my subscribers!”

[@k20a2toofast4u]

@@SergiRodas HA! A million views 🤔

[@mattmattingly8646]

It'll blow. Don't listen to this guy. I had stage 2 Cobb with intake in such threw a rod through the block with only 69k miles

[@7Wiski]

The avg mpg isn’t accurate

[@ben156]

If you aren't passing anybody, why are you in the passing lane the whole time?

[@jimedwards6267]

Protune!

[@SergiRodas]

Done by Ron Watson!

[@jimedwards6267]

@@SergiRodas Nice! I went the Bren tune route. E85 sounds like you better have a built block ready! Next up??

[@gianangjful]

Yes. Yes it is haha

[@touyang1346]

I came here to see pulls but all I hear is talk and talk.