Is Google RUINING The Internet?

[@UpperEchelon]

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[@iyeetsecurity922]

No.

[@Rainos62]

what does that mean for AI and the US elections

[@iyeetsecurity922]

@@Rainos62 I don't believe that Surfshark has anything to do with the election or AI.

[@shadowbanned4606]

ECHELON, originally a secret government code name, is a surveillance program (signals intelligence/SIGINT collection and analysis network) operated by the five signatory states to the UKUSA Security Agreement: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States, also known as the Five Eyes.

[@shadowbanned4606]

CIA and/or NSA?

[@defaulted9485]

Google : "I'm a victim! They're killing my search engine with AI trash!!!" Also Google : "Our helpful Gemini AI first results are trained out of Reddit upvotes..."

[@nostromza3433]

Elon Musk move from google

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

Google: "No, you can't use AI to manipulate people, we want to be the only ones doing that!"

[@AmberCommentsThings]

"Yes, it is indeed safe to eat rocks, glue, and run with scissors"

[@erloriel]

@@AmberCommentsThings Don't ruin my Friday nights!

[@Unapologeticweeb]

I like braves approach too ai much better basically I can click the ai button to ask a question and it will just give me the answer not only is this completely optional and off by default but it actually uses official sources till the point I use it instead of a game walkthrough

[@sooperdude22]

I miss the days when Google was just a search engine and not the unelected, ideologically biased gatekeeper of the Internet.

[@builder_dahomey]

Hahaha. Gatekeeper? There's the fediverse. Found out about it after snooping at a pro-pedo wiki. Fediverse is surface web. Also google can't control the majority that isn't accessible through mainstream search engines anyway.

[@eddyram4932]

Which is why I only use google when I want to find information on a game I’m playing since they do a great job at promoting certain searches. If I want information I use other browsers, or drive my butt to a library😂

[@torikazuki8701]

LOL Anyone remember the 'Don't be Evil' Campaign? Yeah... the second part of that slogan must have been- 'Because we're going to take ALL the Evils!'

[@ChronicAndIronic]

without a doubt google has ruined the internet, even before the AI garbage

[@montyturner6511]

I agree.

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Yeah, I just can't help but feel the Ai stuff is worse just a little bit.

[@DerekDumas]

100%

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

@@Tracer343 Yep, well said 😅👌 a perfectly good setup nightmare right there we have now.

[@zombieGI]

This is a different level. I noticed it too, and i became convinced it's far worse than people think both in scope and the impact this will have. And since this channel has become more and more focused on and alarmed about it i am sure he is thinking the same thing. He is not a doomsday preacher usually. This goes beyond AI and relates to human phycology

[@RodentContainmentBreach]

"Is Google rui-" Yes. Yes, it is.

[@napoleonfeanor]

YES

[@normaldavid]

Wasn’t google’s motto “Don’t be evil” or smth to that effect at some point?

[@UpperEchelon]

they straight up changed and removed that. I did a video a long time ago discussing that actually

[@Spyro757]

@@UpperEchelonhow long ago was that

[@montyturner6511]

It's sad that they do that. Cause it basically tell you what Google is. Evil.

[@VnVnV-893]

​@@Spyro757They removed it in early 2018

[@aleksandarstanisic1848]

I was....

[@BrianStewart126]

The paper from Google staff isn't hypocritical or unexpected. It's just part of the plan. They will use AI against you in every way imaginable and simultaneously warn about its dangers and push for regulation for "responsible" AI use. That way a handful of major players will control all major models and tools and will track, censor, monetize, and report on all use.

[@Sgt_Kilborn]

Exactly. Giant corpos don't fear regulation. They LOVE it because it keeps out competition

[@Squizziles]

Funny how those who’d block the public from said tools are the same ones doing the exact things they say the public will do.. Eg deep fakes, cp and all that horrible shit. They just want to be able to cover their tracks while lining their pockets.

[@sharpvidtube]

Not going to happen. Lots of open source AI, you can run it offline, on your own computer. I doubt the US will control Russian AI.

[@billhicks8]

they definitely fear regulation

[@polloman15]

It would be hilarious if this backfires forcing every AI product and derivatives to be open source or public domain

[@James-sh4zf]

As soon as Google started promoting sponsored content over relevant content, they started destroying the Internet. Then the endless blogs and forums that people write with overlapping content prevents users from finding specific information over the generic noise that has reached a crescendo. KZbin 'tutorials' that are actually ads also have a hugely detrimental impact on the end user.

[@BrianButterworth-s4z]

And they straight out removed stuff. Boolean searches are no longer possible. Garbage.

[@AncestorEmpire1]

When the internet was run by nerds: fun times When it’s run by corporations and casuals: more miserable than being forced to watch the first three twilight films( in a row), so you could take the family to see guardians of the galaxy volume one.

[@Bruce4lmighty]

It was created and has always been controlled by the Military

[@brokenhalo2001]

Ive always thought it was ruined the second normies got smart phones and they became mainstream and the internet was reduced to the apps on your phone. Lots of closed bubbles thanks to the algorithm.

[@Iamgudjoe]

It's like trying to watch Guardians of the Galaxy, but a trailer for the Twilight films plays every five minutes.

[@JNJNRobin1337]

@@Bruce4lmighty what do they think of the particular form of arts made of fictional character, i wonder?

[@gps9715]

Who do you think those nerds turned into?

[@jeffreyjameson6174]

'Short-circuiting the cognitively taxing process of independent thinking... ' Someone actually wrote this.... absolutely outstanding!

[@sharpvidtube]

I wonder what the prompt was😂

[@JimmyArogen]

This is not news, creating a simplified model from a third party is is how humans have done it for ages, this is no different than it was before where you would take IT advice from someone you knew was knowledgeable in the area. Google/these people are just annoyed at others having trust and not them.

[@MemoryMori]

The worst part of it is, when something bad happens, people will blame the AI, cuz it was THE AI that give them the information, so thats why they (the person) are not guilty!! -.-"""

[@ForProfit-x100]

​@@JimmyArogenif Google stopped hiding results and pushing specific political agendas then maybe we'd trust them

[@Frodo1000000]

@@MemoryMori this has been the case before AI though. Whenever something bad/unethical/immoral/genocidal happens, people responsible go: "I was only following the instructions", or "I've done the task according to the procedure", or "it's not illegal to do so". My uncle who is a paramedic, after over a decade on his job has said: "It is better to let a person die but follow the procedure, than to save his life but violate the procedure". This trend has been steadily increasing for the past several decades.

[@SeanMurphy00]

I worked as a web developer specializing in SEO from 2000-2017 and I first noticed Google skewing social and political leaning search results around 2006. I remember telling my now ex wife and trying to show her how they did it and she laughed and thought I was being paranoid.

[@wobblyboost]

I could see it too, just as a person utilizing YT since 2008, clearly pointing out to folks the heavy handed skewing of content, promoting the 'PC' and the censoring and demonising of any type of scrutiny that became increasingly heavy-handed over time. Everyone said it was nonsense, so many channels have made mint criticising google/YT for the same thing, but saying it's because they are bad at their jobs and will deserve their eventual failing. By the time anyone finally twigs it was a 100% deliberate act, the services will become repulsively unusable dumpsites for for decietful information, trash content and thinly veiled scams.

[@arkgaharandan5881]

@@wobblyboost everything nowadays is slop, including social media. I am absolutely disgusted about how the internet has become a derivative sludge of identical opinions and milk toast corporate advertiser friendly "content", its impossible to find anything worth watching. On top of that there is massive censorship that is automated with ai and most people online are bots, the entire silicon valley business model is a house of cards based on a lie.

[@aboomer420]

I feel so vindicated, have also pointed this out for years and got called crazy, conspiracy theorist etc. Why do we allow them to gaslight us when we know we're right?

[@Red9GearHeads]

People are scared of the truth. It’s sad really. I can point out 100% verified truthful conspiracies that have harmed everyone yet people still look at you like you’re being paranoid. They’re just unwilling to see it.

[@sairdontis386]

​​@@aboomer420Why? To avoid punishment.

[@Metaknight145]

Yes. Grass is also green and today is a day that ends in y. Google has been ruining the Internet for a decade. AI is just another tool for them to do it with.

[@TheZeroDozer]

So we circled back to that South Park episode where the kids are having ChatGPT think for them.

[@randomaccount53793]

You're fine as long as your partner doesn't find out..

[@mukkaar]

Not really, more like it's being used to direct what other people think.

[@M18Hellcat-17]

A lot more than google is ruining the internet…

[@AlmaBuru]

Google certainly does not help to improve the situation

[@M18Hellcat-17]

@@AlmaBuru The irony of the situation

[@randomaccount53793]

AI and plebians. The best combination since vanilla ice cream and tomato sauce

[@sairdontis386]

Yes, and Google is leading you to all of the ruin, at times even promoting it, and often times profiting off it at the same time as well.

[@SofaKingShit]

I am old enough to remember You Tube before Google bought it and it was glorious.

[@Dexter01992]

That Google ad about Gemini is probably one of the most cringe advertisement I've ever seen. All it does is trying to tell people "You are too stupid to think or do things by yourself. Use AI to solve it!"

[@tanostrelok2323]

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Yes, it is.

[@Yipper64]

If nothing else im pretty sure we've already lost a collective understanding of reality like 5-10 years ago. So im not quite so worried about that. Im worried that more people will see AI as these all knowing thing with no bias though. Or even start to say it should have "rights"

[@shadowkhan422]

Considering current AI is just a huge instruction box , that's stupid . Thats said ,if the last few dozen are to go by , we humans as a specie are completely dumb(so someone actually might :/)

[@maemo4one]

I mean, people don't even advocate for their own rights, or for what's in their own best interest. That's what got us into this mess in the first place. So I very much doubt the broad public will ever advocate for "AI rights". Corporations might do though, disguised as grassroots activism, by astroturfing, as they've always done. Capital rules the collective because it rules the individual. Everyone, who has a traditional job at a bigger company is contributing to it, including me, and probably you, if you're honest. If there is such a thing as hell, we're ALL going there, just by matter of proximity. It makes people like Ted K. seem reasonable and the "everyday citizen" like a brainwashed slave. I hate it, but I have no other choice but to comply, or be cast out. As Daniel Schmachtenberger says; we have to fix the incentives. And it starts by dismantling corporate monopolies, taxing the rich up the wazoo, and if that's not possible, by manipulating and poisoning the mega machines we are part of from the inside. Hard work's a grift. Steal from big corporations as much as possible and try to lose your bosses as much money as possible without getting caught or fired. Talk about your class situation and how work is killing us all slowly with your friends and family. Because it's true. It's all we can do as individuals. Slowly dig at the foundation, bit by bit, not hoping for a total collapse, but a gradual shift. And draw hope from the collective that you know exists somewhere beneath all the layers of bullshit. I believe the shift is already happening. I just hope it reforms us before it kills us.

[@sharpvidtube]

I don't think there's ever been a collective understanding of reality. People used to believe the nonsense written in the printed press, now they believe things made up using AI. History repeating itself. Deep fakes maybe take it to another level, but there's already so many video clips, that are cut to give a false context, that's totally misleading, but people still think they're real. It has always been the case that if you repeat a lie often enough, lots of people believe it.

[@rhael42]

​@@maemo4onewe're not all going to hell because we're already in it.

[@arkgaharandan5881]

if anything the goal of silicon valley is to force a collective understanding of reality filled with lies. I wish we see the "collective understanding of reality" split into endless fragmented decentralized units in war with each other.

[@FireFox64000000]

I feel like everyone is forgetting that the first rule of the internet is everything on the internet is a lie. Edit: Also, Google is one to talk.

[@OuterGalaxyLounge]

About a quarter of the comments in here already are AI fakes or porn bots.

[@mistahsusan2650]

can confirm. my father was a floppy disk and my mother was an 8 bit OS.

[@randomaccount53793]

​@@mistahsusan2650You're mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

[@thomaseriksen6885]

They are just training them, which leaves only one plausible suspect

[@Mythhammer]

Only 25%?? Between the various groups using ANI (artificial narrow intelligence) tools, I'd say its rather more pronounced.

[@onionfarmer3044]

It's actually pretty funny watching people fall for obvious bots.

[@callistek]

I think you may be misunderstanding, those two google departments, are working in UNISON, not in opposition. She means it's dangerous for OTHERS, 'unregulated' AI, the open source / free to use / less biased models. They are going to try to get a AI to only be used by companies with permission, and governments, but not the regular people.

[@springtronfanboy6889]

At the very least that scenario would be good for independent artist.

[@AlmqvistRasmus]

Agree.. but want to add that we can expect some kind of tool/service to come out that tackles the issues the paper is addressing

[@sharpvidtube]

Never going to happen, they never managed to control the dark web, people always find ways around regulations. The US can't control Russian AI.

[@dalemcdenver7816]

@@springtronfanboy6889 How? Because let me tell you, those image generators would still be available. Just only offered by Google and one or two other "government regulated" corporations. Voice and music generators would likely be inaccessible by the common folk, mostly because of the music industries greedy fingers. Hm...everything else like code generating AI, logistics, machine controlling, etc. would be like Adobe, industrialized and accordingly prized for other firms. With strict limitations on functionality that can, of course, be bit by bit lifted if you get a better (more expensive) version or upgrade a tier in your subscription. So yeah, I don't see artists getting a break from this.

[@MacSmithVideo]

This is just another example of a tech company trying to justify increased censorship, and echelon is falling for it. He should take his own advice and question everything, including this paper.

[@sarakajira]

Don't panic yet. I just read a Futurism article today pointing out that AI hasn't just been a dumpster fire: but a money fire as well. And lots and lots of companies are planning to either scale back or not increase funding for AI projects due to the fact that the magical "profits" from AI features have basically not materialized. A big problem is hallucinations, as well as the massive cost of using these services in the first place. These AI models require huge amounts of processing power to run at enormous cost with very little benefits to most companies. What's the use of an AI powered customer service chatbot that gives incorrect information and exposes your company to liability? So it seems we're about to hit the trough of dissolutionment on the Gartner Hype Cycle.

[@Harley_Mitchelly]

This matches up with Google's hard misses in the past. ('Member Stadia? I 'member.) A what-if that has held for me. What if Google is not, in fact, competent at all in AI matters, and this is a top-to-bottom premise as the company no longer screens for talent in their management due to any number of reasons individually or in tandem? This matches their management of the Stadia project, indeed most of Google's one-and-done hype projects due to their thing with trying to be the first to everything. Google Glass comes to mind.

[@wobblyboost]

@@Harley_Mitchelly Googles graveyard of flawed and failed features over-floweth.

[@sarakajira]

@@Harley_Mitchelly I actually really loved stadia. Was super pissed when they shut it down because I had over a 100 hours in cyberpunk saved on there. Had to export my data but it still is a pain.

[@Fancysaurus]

Never forget the promise to investors in OpenAI was to create an advanced AI and then ask it how to make a profit.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

​@@Harley_Mitchelly if it's anything like stadia they'll desperately keep slapping it with the defibrillator for ages before actually letting it die.

[@xtrafunk]

is the implication that gen z are even worse than boomers at distinguishing fact from fiction? if so, horrifying.

[@Window4503]

I think that award should go to Gen Alpha.

[@g-ray7121]

i think that is unfair since none of gen alpha have fully developed brains ​@@Window4503

[@E0NZpixel]

@@Window4503 Clearly, you've never hung around a crowd of zoomers before.

[@sirliner8035]

@extrafunk Don't drag boomers into this shit show. We're bailing out as fast as old age let's us

[@xtrafunk]

@@E0NZpixel older zoomers yes, youngest no bc they’re like 12, but doesn’t really matter either way. Sample size, selection bias, etc

[@efficiencygaming3494]

At this point, the Internet as a whole has become a net negative for society and I wish we'd stop relying on it so much. All it does is make people angry, stupid, and unhealthy. It is absolutely frustrating. I see so much brainrot and low-information content online that I've gotten sick of ducking it all the time. I want to use the Internet as a supplement to the physical world, not as a substitute for it.

[@LAPIS-vt7cl]

Same That's why I've been getting into more physical hobbies like writing and boardgames. I've also spent more time with friends and family outside my house, I went to an arcade with an old bud and went to see my cousin's musical. And I can say it has made me feel more alive by a landslide.

[@jdp2571]

Only if ur already angry, stupid and unhealthy.....

[@neondystopian]

Before the decade is up, I guarantee they will at least try to pass legislation that will prohibit average people from possessing, coding or applying artificial intelligence without some kind of license.

[@LunaWitcherArt]

Just some constructive criticism: whenever you have big walls of text that you are reading from documents, making the zoom to fit the entire screen would really help to accompany what you are reading when watching on mobile.

[@Mac_Omegaly]

Agreed 100%. But I learned to eat or play something simple while listening to this channel as a podcast a long time ago.

[@Frodo1000000]

@@Mac_Omegaly I like to pause and read those texts

[@alloounou6900]

"Disinformation" still means "information that we don't agree with and possibly makes us look bad."

[@Kabodanki]

Disinformation can be either false info, wrong info or good info. False info could be info spread for nefarious reason, wrong info : just info nobody bothered checking or good info. Good info is interessting, because you could have good info that makes people look bad, nothing wrong with the info, just that it bothers people, so they can do reinformation, where they explain you how you must think

[@arkgaharandan5881]

exactly they insisted up until recently that biden does not have dementia.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

No it doesn't

[@Rize_Back]

@@thewhitefalcon8539 found Bill Gates account

[@JorntWagenaar]

No, it doesn't.

[@ZappyOh]

They can't have us talking with each other. It really is that simple.

[@MrSpartan993]

Too bad the unfiltered internet is already well and truly establish across the entire western world. You can’t close Pandora’s box and THIS box includes free speech.

[@brainstormsurge154]

This could also be a propaganda campaign of, "Look how dangerous AI is! Please regulate us so that we can pay your "fines" while completely shutting down open source projects so that we can control AI and rule the world! Mwahahaha!"

[@brian8507]

I am a data scientist. Phd mathematician. I use machine learning to analyze credit data. Been doing this for years. AI is a bubble.. it has very little value. It was actually faster to look up how to code something from stack exchange then have chat gpt give me slop (that originally stole from stack exchange) Here is a challenge i pose to u pro ai people: Talk to the chat bot for a couple hours... like its ur friend and colleague... have real in depth conversations with it. You will see that its worthless. Its hype. And it doesnt pass the turing test. Also the art is just so gross ...

[@Andomosity]

​@brian8507 this is what I keep telling people. I asked chat GPT if it could "bridge the gap" on new ideas and it said no. It is not able to infer or interpolate into the future like our brains can. Our best AI doesn't even come close to having the intelligence of an ant. AI is nothing more than a glorified search engine that gives you answers that are an amalgamation of what humans have already said or wrote. Think of it this way, chat gpt can only give you a "re-written" version of the data it was trained on. It can't formulate ideas or think like a human. But it does have the capabilities to generate an unlimited amount of shitposts

[@alicianieto2822]

@brian8507 idk, I find it really helpful for coding ( admittedly I am not too experienced at it and finding things online takes me forever) and for things that are naturally botish like cover letters, summaries, formal emails, and translations. Very helpful for translations indeed. It us just an auto complete on steroids, that has uses

[@VincentPaulS]

People should have always been hyper-skeptical of the trash content they mass consume on the internet.

[@Drako9823]

Should. No wonder the political extremism here nowadays. Easier than ever to spread ideology.

[@onionfarmer3044]

​@Drako9823 it's almost like the status quo is not doing so hot.

[@Drako9823]

@@onionfarmer3044 Government and media can only lie so much before the people have had it.

[@chaosmagican]

I'm not afraid of AI, I'm afraid of the morons

[@shadowkhan422]

Morons with AI can spam more garbage then morons with no AI.(It also allows them to pretend at being trustworthy) Its as simple as that.

[@blutygergaming8789]

Im afraid of both. Not for myself, but afraid for the future

[@emberfist8347]

@@blutygergaming8789I am just afraid when AI gets intelligent enough to not need to be trained on examples we give.

[@onionfarmer3044]

​@@blutygergaming8789I'm afraid what happens when you chicken Littles don't see the sky falling.

[@bones6996]

@@GetBased people have been saying that for about a few thousand years and nothing ever comes of it

[@whatchamacallit1344]

Big corporation killed my passion for gaming and the internet, these idiots never fail to make the world miserable.

[@Squizziles]

Well the Alphabet boys seem to think they created the internet. Anyone over 25 knows they didn’t 😂

[@wumi2419]

Rather, they want others to think that they are the internet. That there is nothing in the internet other than them, so you either accept it as it is, or don't use it at all

[@12pentaborane]

When you say 'Alphabet boys' do you mean Google or glowies?

[@wumi2419]

@@12pentaborane is there a distinction now?

[@Squizziles]

@@12pentaborane the parent company that owns google and everything included.. Glowies would also work I guess, there’s well documented evidence of the us gov has tried to meddle with google and the internet as a whole

[@4RILDIGITAL]

It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. We are entrusting such critical aspects of our lives to technology that could potentially distort our perception of reality.

[@E0NZpixel]

Exhilarating, isn't it?

[@arkgaharandan5881]

the internet was destroyed in 2007 when normies got into it with their smartphones, since then the internet was completely ruined with horrible ui, lack of customization, corporations getting in on it, mass censorship, you cant even quote statistics without your comment getting removed and most of the internet is now stale milk toast derivative slop of samey pro corporate content, i dont care if ai ruins the internet, as far as i am concerned actually content by npcs is just as garbage as ai, if anything ai can make it seem more surreal and bring back the old days of weird meme images. You cant even find any picture in google that was made prior to 2012 and google shadowbans and removes any site from the search results that does not fit their agenda like say dei detected website. Oh and dead internet theory is real most people online are fake bots and the entire silicon valley economy is based on fake numbers and the faster the fake lie is exposed the faster the house of cards will collapse.

[@doorsareforopening]

I love how you went from a gaming channel to vehemently hating social media/tech companies

[@wobblyboost]

It's called 'growing up with your eyes open', not very popular anymore, used to be standard progression.

[@Nyla_Corvina]

@@wobblyboost No I'm pretty sure that's called content farming.

[@wobblyboost]

@@Nyla_Corvina Content farms are large companies that quickly generate low-quality content for profit. So no.

[@Nyla_Corvina]

@@wobblyboost It's also a term used when KZbinrs make content geared towards whatever topic is the most popular. In order to gain lots of views and rake in sponsor money. That was the joke being made btw.

[@wobblyboost]

@@Nyla_Corvina Well some may call it that, but the real term for that is market orientated content. Which is what all big gaming channels do, which brings it back to the OC saying in loaded terms that doing something as monumentally useless as promotiing computer games is somehow morally superior to scrutinising Google and other big Tech who desperately need scrutiny because they have the ability to skew the conversation in their favour and choose whose comments/videos are published.

[@Holycurative9610]

Bloody bots in the comments already. What do they gain by leaving spam comments??

[@TheObnoxiousSquirrel]

unsuspecting people lured into their scams

[@johannderjager4146]

They get-0ff to making people's experience insufferable.

[@randomaccount53793]

My deception smells better than your deception....or something..

[@Drako9823]

Scams and artificial traffic.

[@thomaseriksen6885]

They are being trained, at some point they'll say "joined 17 years ago" rather than 3h

[@emanuellandeholm5657]

I follow a Canadian lawyer on YT, and he has this expression "tyre fire". That pretty much sums up my feelings on the state of the Internet in 2024. I feel sorry for Gen Z and Alpha who were brought into this crazy world thinking it's normal to listen to "influencers". Yeah, that's how you get MLMs, Swifties, cryptobros and MAGA. I, a Gen X, know of a world before "OK Google". It wasn't always pretty, but it sure as hell wasn't as dystopian. Tyre fire, dumpster fire, clown show, train wreck. Whatever you choose to call it.

[@alicianieto2822]

We were sold on bs before google as well, in fact it was worse. The rise of the various fascisms didn't need the internet, and the destruction of workers rights after the 80s with workers complicity didn't need it either. I feel like we are losing the edge we briephly had, that is all

[@Bullminator]

Someone in future will make a tool that filters all the trash, like u-block origin does right now. Maybe a new search engine that blocks AI creater or sus content.

[@21Malkavian]

When will people realize that AI is in a primitive state and should not be relied on? This is getting disgusting. We're at the point where it's almost Skynet from Terminator instead of Data from Star Trek: Next Generation. Stay safe, Echelon.

[@mikeexits]

I use ChatGPT for cooking info sometimes. When it works it saves me from a lot of trial and error and wasted ingredients. When it spits out incorrect info, it's usually pretty easy to spot since I have a pretty solid handle on cooking as a skill and some food science info. I'm worried that the mistakes will get harder to spot over time as AI "advances" though.

[@TheGhostFart]

we're getting the cyberpunk dystopia except it's in the theme of idiocracy

[@Window4503]

I kinda hope they don’t realize. That means it’ll be more likely to implode and fizzle away as a mere trend because no one could slow down and create a real plan.

[@dalemcdenver7816]

Because they get told that it should be relied on, just in more words and with pretty pictures. For everything that doesn't quiet fit, they fill in the blanks themselves. It's just like it's said in the video, they find someone to lead them and then follow. Influencers, big Corporations... And if those people say AI is good, then it must be capital G good.

[@21Malkavian]

@@dalemcdenver7816 I asked when. Not why. I know why and it's deplorable. I don't use generative AI for everyday use because there's no point since it's primitive at this stage. The only reasons I use it is to either laugh at the visual/audio abominations that it puts out or to use its' prompt programming to see how far I can push it before the programming itself gets pissed off to the point that it becomes inoperable.

[@vampire847]

Google has been ruining the internet for years....

[@kmdgaming6039]

Look at the state of every single thing they've "acquired" after they made changes and you have your answer. *Cough* *Cough* KZbin *Cough* *Cough*

[@wobblyboost]

Damn straight. The much promised 'people's TV station', turned into a commercial drowned digital dumpster fire; openly encouraging automated content to fuel it's toxic conflaguration.

[@Frodo1000000]

@@wobblyboost and is openly hostile towards the real content creators, and let scammers easily take over videos and demonetization due to copyright claims, also scammer ads all over the damn site while fighting people who use adblock to defend themselves from 100% garbage those ads and scams are

[@dave24-73]

When google went from search engine to spam engine we all knew it was game over for the internet and finding anything useful.

[@THasart]

I think it's way to optimistic to think that it's gen z problem. I have too many older relatives and acquaintance who believe any stupid thing they read, see or hear as long as it somewhat fits in their worldview.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

Yep, it's just the majority of the population, not any single generation. What's dire though is that future generations are being crippled even more. We are the last ones who will be able to see.

[@MrSpartan993]

@@kaden-sd6vbnot if we actually TEACH our kids the truth.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

@@MrSpartan993 unfortunately with the majority that won't happen. The intelligent ones will be an even smaller minority than we are.

[@AlmqvistRasmus]

@UpperEchelon My interpretation is somewhat different. The function of the research paper serves two purposes: 1. It undermines Google's competition in an area where they are the underdog. 2. By raisin this concer, Google prepares the market for some sort of an upcoming AI detection product.

[@Ghost_Text]

Yep. OpenAI and Stability with funding the LAION database were the first ones to spill the beans essentially on this tech. Wheras deepmind activity under google were kept more under wraps.

[@Frodo1000000]

Interesting thought. I have an idea about your second point: since they know their generative AI, they can "watermark" it and make their AI detection product look for that "watermark". If it's not there, it's not their AI, and they can undermine other generative AIs this way. What do you think ?

[@justarandombird]

Google is creating the ideal generation to follow the "don't ask questions, just buy product and get excited for next product" motto/sentence

[@Sharpie360]

By all means, don't zoom in on the PDF.

[@TheGhostFart]

mobile issue

[@Areybhaishubham]

Adsense destroyed the world. It all went down with digital advertising

[@HO-bndk]

No links to the papers? 😮

[@ClyDIley]

That paper isn't a warning.... its an advertisement

[@terrylandess6072]

I guess the old 'It must be true, I saw it on the internet' is back with a vengeance.

[@ko2610]

That used to be "it must be true, I saw it on a newspaper" :D

[@terrylandess6072]

@@ko2610 At 65 I don't remember hearing that one, but the concept is solid. It gets harder to trust anything today as being 100% truth with no agenda or ignorance.

[@FLABrowncoat]

This wouldn't be an issue if Gen Z's parents weren't failing them. They have the power to solve this all, but are content to outsource their responsibilities as parents.

[@HansensUniverseT-A]

They have ruined the internet.

[@sharpvidtube]

It was always going to happen. At first, people thought the internet would be different to the rest of the business world, but it followed the same pattern.

[@Catinkss]

Theres a small irony in reading a paper on the negative effects of AI in the Adobe PDF reader - which has AI garbage all through it. If you would like an alternative, might i suggest 'Sumatra PDF'? I'm not sure if you need the Adobe one for whatever reason, but if its just to read PDFs, maybe switch to Sumatra? Its tidier, open-source and has no AI trash.

[@annagulaev]

I'd share this, but the people who will see it are fooled by "copy-paste this to your facebook page to stop advertising". They won't understand it. I think the only way to fill people in on what's happening is to shame them when they fall for this stuff. And really, to inform them is the best you can hope for. The bar, as low as it is, is already high enough to fool them.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

If they don't see it already, they never will. Sadly the majority of the population is already a lost cause.

[@jackthompson9589]

Can you put a link to the paper in your description please ❤

[@1800imawake]

KZbin -> Google -> Alphabet Inc. -> (redacted) ............. it should be obvious by now.

[@wobblyboost]

I'd say 85% of YT users don't know this, it wasn't that long ago Google vehemently denied owning YT outright when it did. 60% would still be unaware Yt is a google product. 95% don't comprehend thier plan has always been to destroy it as a public interface and turn it into a digital dumpster fire.

[@DatBoiOrly]

Dead internet theory is becoming true oh god!

[@pagenotfound_code_404]

ai slop is getting so bad, that i'm just starting to all filter my search results from 1970 to 2021(the year mass ai adoption began)

[@jeffh138]

I remember the days google gave u infinite pages to scroll through

[@isomeme]

I really wonder how different Gen Z is from older folks in terms of outsourcing cognition. I see a lot of that happening throughout society.

[@amicaaranearum]

IME, most people are outsourcing cognition. It’s not a generational thing.

[@CoalOres]

Making the weapons then selling the defences against it? That's just good business.

[@shelbyfanman]

I'm still unsure as to how AI will benefit humanity. Typically, a product or idea is usually designed around addressing or fixing a problem - what gap is this type of AI filling?

[@bidencrimefamilymottof-cky953]

Overpopulation.

[@Jumpyfoot]

I have a physical disability so I can't really draw art but at least now when I have an idea I want to see depicted I can use an image generator to see what I want as it comes to life so to speak. Also, generative AI technology has led to massive improvements in the accuracy of speech-to-text, which I use to type.

[@Sorrior]

Scientists have used it to discover new materials/chemical compounds for one good use

[@pocketaces6756]

Labor cost. The less employees on the payroll, the more money that the execs get to keep. Same "problem" the corpos are always trying to "fix".

[@wobblyboost]

It's a fundamental problem that is occuring now, that we'd been warned about by the people who did all the ground-breaking work of designing and coding for the concept of AI in the 60's. AI can be used as a beneficial tool, a free public utility of great benefit, what google want is to use it to weaponise and turn all their products into deceptive, digital dumpster fires devoid of human creativity or autonomous thought expression. Also they will be/already are lobbying regulators and Gov to give them exclusive corporate use of the tool.

[@Will-i7p]

Could you please put the link to this report in the description

[@animanaut]

5:11 suggestion: when showing sections of a document maybe zooming in would help for mobile viewers. even on desktop i cannot read the highlighted section and left and right of the document there is an equal amount of unused whitespace that could be used instead to view the content instead. 2c

[@jmbsoutho]

The fun part with the google AI is that you can turn it off by adding "problematic" terms to your search. I've taken to just adding "-gun" to the search and AI won't touch it. The minus ahead of the term says "don't give me terms with this word" so as long as you're not searching for guns you're fine.

[@sadboi0769]

love the standing ue graphic. keep up the good work.

[@2rx_bni]

I watch a lot of content to better understand the enemy (AI) and for some reason that makes KZbin think that I want more of the AI slop. I've managed to be duped by a few channels already. They're so insidious. At the rate things are going? We are going to need an alternative to Google and KZbin ASAP because it's going to become harder and harder to find quality work on here because of them shilling slop AGAIN (Shorts anyone?) and not listening to users and content creators. Whatsay we all move over to Nico Nico Douga huh?

[@Nocturnal_Mee]

I noticed that too. A lot of it happens when I watch anything criticizing something, or even being relatively neutral. Or maybe I just notice it more when it’s something I’m already not particularly fond of anyway? Either way, yes it’s insidious and gross.

[@freedomsglory1]

A whole generation that will vote rights away and have no reason why they will do it. Dystopia might not be today, but it definitely will be in the near future. Have a good day everyone.

[@arhamumer1332]

In pakistan alot of young folks have just outright refused to vote due to the current political climate

[@patnor7354]

They already voted away all their wealth and their right to exist through supporting private central banks and mass migration. What is one more little step?

[@robertfoertsch]

Excellent Analysis, Deployed Worldwide Through My Deep Learning AI Research Library. Thank You ❤

[@icomsltd]

I wish that when Congress would roast CEO's that they would show Sindar Pichai's face more and put his name all over for the world to see.

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

KZbin is not a "Google service" It used to be its own service, and now its a tentacle of Google.

[@famijher]

Well, considering I haven't been able to use KZbin on my Laptop for almost a month now, until I got rid of my VPN, I completely agree with you.

[@legiongaming99]

People like to blame AI but people don't know Google ruined it along time ago Sadly people still think Monopolys and or monopoly alliances are a good thing

[@smelltheglove2038]

Dont be evil

[@VnVnV-893]

Don't be evil, for free

[@SeanMurphy00]

Google: “Don’t be evil… because we’ve got it covered.”

[@Evangelionism]

*Google: Almighty:* _"Ruining_ the internet?? Oh, you poor fool; we *ARE* the internet."

[@damond2803]

This is a huge problem, but what is the answer? I fear the we are heading towards government regulation of AI, which will lead to the technology being taken from normal people and only being utilized by big corporations, the goverment and scammers that don't abide by regulation. Maybe us peons will be allowed to use some neutered version of the tech, but the powerful stuff will be beyond reach.

[@SteveMacSticky]

AI is a bubble. It won't last. It will pop

[@SHDW-nf2ki]

the concept of AI being "misapropriated" implies that there is a proper use for this AI trash anywhere in the world.

[@kennyholmes5196]

Thing is, there is a proper use for it. It's just not operationally-functional at its' current state of development. There still needs to be YEARS worth of development before it can reach even a _basic_ level of functionality.

[@DesignatedHealer]

I've used it before to generate simple scripts and help me patch code, definitely NOT to ask for social help or get news. Seems like all these companies want to use this in the complete wrong places and for obviously nefarious reasons.

[@checkmatehumanity]

not hyperbolic at all! i really appreciate your urgency in calling this out. ai started harming us well before it was recently commericalized. i talk about this a lot on my channel in the true crime context and am 99% sure i've been shadowbanned as a result (i'm a former goog employee and i was in a netflix docu about this topic, so the shadowban just tamps my whistleblowing voice down). love your content

[@bkboii24]

In a nutshell, yes. Ironic too from the company whose own motto was “ *DON’T BE EVIL* “.

[@terendemal6789]

The gen Z bit lmaoooooo, what did they back this up with? As far as I know, gen Zs are the biggest demographic to be commenting “source?”

[@simileee]

Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Yes x Google

[@vasttimes]

One one hand I love what you bring to the table, while on the other just when I think there's some time before tech makes it worse, things have escalated beyond my view.

[@Colddirector]

I kinda suspect that stuff about Gen Z letting AI think for them is either based on heavily massaged data or no data at all. I remember during the Web3 thing where big metaverse spokespeople were insisting that young people were living inside the metaverse. Most young people I know seem either ambivalent about AI or outright hate it. That’s also not real data so take that for what you will

[@TheGoodestofeggs]

There's this commercial I saw for Iphones' new Ai, and it's always rubbed me the wrong way. Like how they take a picture of someone dunking a basketball, then erasing the trampoline they used to get the shot. Like we should be excited, it's easier to straight up make shit up. It's bizarre how a company that big can see that add and say, "Lol yeah, that's epic." Mindboggling.

[@Fightdemon]

As a former digital illustrator and concept artist I'm so sick of it all the AI bullshit... I think it's time to step out internet and digital world and return to reality

[@Frodo1000000]

I am a musician and music producer and I realized the only way for me to succeed is to focus solely on live act performances that rely on the "persona" on the stage "acting out" the "performance". It's what AI can't do and won't be able to do for the foreseeable future. Other paths i don't trust anymroe ...

[@hyperslow556gungamer]

First thing first, get yourself off Google DNS.

[@rtremblay24]

Already has

[@jungledeafable]

Not at end of video yet, but the amount of a-i generated ads (all same basically premiseses), skin cleaning content for repurposing with vocal overing, and the result? Crap click-fishing tackle that makes the offshore drilling platform its own money back while casting a long cast effort into more of this type of marketing. When any company gets big enough and/or dumb enough they go authoritarian. AI isn't dumb because AI is just dumb. It is being used for dumb, short sighted reasons. AI will be our creation, thus an extension of ourselves. Part of us. Treat it better than this, for fuckssake

[@jungledeafable]

I am not a bot. Boop beep.

[@DerangedMerger]

Guys, don't you think it is kinda fuxking brave of _the people who actually work at google_ to publish as comprehensive information as they can (I suppose), about the biggest issues and concerns, they recognize in their own workplace, or maybe even in their own projects, they are working or have worked on? I'm asking, because I hope you DO realize, that even if these researchers would quit their work, someone else would replace them immediately. Therefore, I think, by writing and publishing such research paper (and I hope, this is just their first one, of many to come), these workers rather showed they in fact do care, and they care a lot, about what's happening in this huge and powerful corporation. Oh, and also, do you think that if google stopped developing all this sheit, everyone else would stop too? At least google has people, who are willing to share with us and publicize what kind of abuses we can more or less expect in the nearest future

[@pinkfreud62]

Google used to be an encyclopedia of knowledge, but now when you're searching for stuff it's more like walking through the old Yellow pages. 😑

[@MikeBaia]

I'm a simple man. UE drops video...I click and watch.

[@jonathandawson3091]

Disappointed to not find picking up chicks by superhuman persuasion abilities in the list of AI misuse.

[@PawlH]

Dear politicians and media talking heads: THIS is what an existential threat to society looks like

[@jicudi]

Arguably one of the most valuable journalists on the internet. Don't ever give up, man

[@granda3649]

Was the Internet always bad?

[@Holycurative9610]

I started getting into laptop and PC repair in about 2004 and the internet was an amazing place to be. The sites were basic but there was so much packed into them and while we had a small version of google they didn't have any influence and certainly weren't influencing billions back then. The web wasn't political at all and you could spend days following stuff down a rabbit hole, in short, the web sucks nowadays!!

[@VnVnV-893]

No, early 2000s internet was amazing

[@Colddirector]

The modern internet is way more functional than old internet. You don’t have to deal with dialup, everything runs faster and you can do a lot more with web pages. However it’s certainly become much more centralized, more toxic and less free than it once was. I grew up on 2000s internet, but I try not to let nostalgia cloud my judgement. I suspect that a lot of people, if transported back to the 2000s internet would find themselves yearning for the speed and functionality of the modern web before long. And I say this as someone who often pines for the days of web forums and YTMND Also the ceiling for the quality of web content has dramatically improved. A channel like UEG would probably be unheard of in 2007, as well as like 12 hour reviews of Oblivion lol

[@Colddirector]

@@bigsyrup8567 I mean that still makes it a more toxic place to be. Doomscrolling is something that just didn’t exist in 2007 (even if Twitter did), and algorithms weren’t pushing mentally damaging crap in everyone’s faces.

[@amicaaranearum]

Better in some ways, worse in others.

[@kurtmueller2089]

What an amazing "called it!" video. btw. would you mind adding the link to the paper and/or the linkedin post in your video description?

[@blueleyedldevil71]

Stop using Google. Duck Duck Go.

[@Bruce4lmighty]

Brave is best ATM 👍🏻

[@Nelvinkumar]

I use WebCrawler.

[@anattaevergreen]

Try something called Ecosia instead, they help plant trees with your web searches

[@MOFUGGINFPV]

Would have been great to have a link to the paper in the description. But I suppose we're just supposed to surrogate our thinking out to you. Thank you upper echelon for thinking for me!

[@Athyxion]

The intenret is Google

[@SeanMurphy00]

And google is the deep state.

[@wobblyboost]

Another lie.