Is "Grounded" Batman Getting Stale?

is matt reeves' batman as well as live action batman in general's approach to batman's fantastical elements going to get tiresome?
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[@FrannyFigueiredo]

specter i will touch you /pos

[@tylerlong5112]

I think having a grounded take on a character is fine but the issue begins when everyone does the same take instead of something new.

[@josephdent6825]

Or you can have him deal with Grounded things while still being Fantastical

[@AdamDoyle21]

@@josephdent6825Exactly. It’s not that hard.

[@somethingclever4297]

Gentle man ghost in the thumbnail. I can already tell that this is going to be good.

[@somethingclever4297]

7.8 out of 10. Not enough gentleman ghost.

[@cavernecho]

I LOVE GENTLEMAN GHOST 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ GOD I WISH BRITISH PEOPLE WERE REAL

[@tylerbertram7065]

As soon as Matt Reeves is done with his Batman franchise, I think it's about time we put the realistic Batman to bed.

[@josephdent6825]

So true. Batman shouldn’t be grounded anymore

[@chidieberenwadike4165]

Stolen comment....

[@jacobwest7]

Let's see, Mr freeze, poison ivy, clay face, bane, the ventriloquist and killer croc. Those villains can't be done in a highly realistic world, that's only somw of the villains that wouldn't work or be neutered by setting it in a grounded world. Needless to say I agree.

[@JamesHowlett-qy3yq]

​@@jacobwest7nolan did bane though

[@jaylenjayden9305]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@jacobwest7how tf can ventriloquist not work and I disagree with all of those especially freeze croc and bane Reeves said he would push to the edge of fantastical but not full fantastical

[@sassyrabbit3410]

My idea for The Batman 2 should have The Court of Owls as the antagonist. They’re both grounded and zany. Batman basically fighting the rich Illuminati who has a ninjas army dressed like owls.

[@onnimannimaki8846]

Court is more fitting for third part as it requires both Batman and Bruce Wayne having a strong precense. Second Batman will most likely be about Bruce learning to balance his civil life and Batman life.

[@Hallowpool193]

I feel like the Arkham games and the Burton films went fantastical and grounded at the same time however I could just be dumb and my opinion is stupid

[@jcore0981]

Gotham does a great job as well. It's a serious drama show but it doesn't shy away from the campyness of Batman.

[@Hallowpool193]

I've seen only the first 6 episodes of the show but if this is true I have to continue

[@jcore0981]

@Hallowpool193 The first season is mostly serialized cop drama, but season 2 gets wacky, in a fun way.

[@Victor-qx3vx]

Not stupid at all. You’re onto something.

[@ibrahimihsan2090]

As far as Arkham is concerned, you are definitely right. Same with movies like Under The Red Hood.

[@Cam_Doa]

Gotham is literally flooded, killer croc would thrive. Maybe a mob boss type of killer croc

[@CursedShinobiClown]

Can we get a batman that fights villains with super powers for once?

[@daustin8888]

That's honestly what makes Batman badass. A walking hulk of clay, a man who has a freezing ray, and a woman who controls plants are still ko match for an ordinary (yet, exceptional) human being.

[@aylin6766]

​@@daustin8888 Agree. Super powers are cool tho. Maybe a power that isn't about power. Something that has a place in that world and/or the story that it would appear in without taking away from it. Even something really small would be awesome! Maybe something psychic like talking to ghosts or whatever. Maybe even a curse which is debilitating but benificial in one trait cuz thats balancing, edgy and interesting. Like in Re:Zero!

[@Tiernan-nb5bl]

Gotham 1919 mentioned officially peak video

[@gundradestroyer4480]

Something similar happened in the Godzilla community, but ironically it was the opposite case, there was a group of people who said that "all Godzilla movies should be like G Minus One" and that any other interpretation of the character other than one where he is a villain or super serious was already bad by default, and this sparked a very large and long debate about this topic, and many interesting conversations have come out of this, One of those was that if all the movies were like Godzilla 1954, where Godzilla is a metaphor and the moral is "war is bad" (I know it's more complex but I'll simplify it here for the purposes of expressing this point) you would be making the character stagnate, repeating himself over and over again, there is a video where they used King Kong as an example, where most of his movies were repeating the original story, denying it having its own mythology or evolving, Personally, for me, saying that a character can only have one interpretation is very limiting, impoverishing it instead of enriching it. I feel that this is especially necessary with these characters that have been around for almost 100 years since they were created. They need this variation, and I think that people should perhaps appreciate things for the intention that their creators are looking for instead of getting angry for not being something that they were intended to be. Personally, I don't like this attempt to make things overly realistic, but I feel that something can be realistic but interesting, and in The Batman I feel that it falls into this category of "being so realistic that it's boring" but I simply decide that it doesn't matter I'd rather go look for something if it fits what I'm looking for or interests me, instead of trying to make everything fit my tastes and desires.

[@theonlybilge]

"What did you see, old man?"

[@gundradestroyer4480]

@@theonlybilge "gojira , gojira, gojira"

[@jonaszpawlacz756]

I guess people are just getting tired with everyone trying to subvert the genre. Hell, we're getting the 5th season of "Superheroes are Hollywood rapists - The Show" now. I'm not a fan of this push for everything to be gritty and representative of the worst aspects of the modern world.

[@Groggle7141]

3:08 Poison Ivy should be a Wonder Woman villain but not for that reason. Ivy fits in more with Wonder Woman mythos and themes. She is a female villain who uses her femininity for her own goals, this could tie into women hood and women’s relationships with men and their sexuality. Ivy’s goal is also to save the environment against people, this could tie into how different “man’s world” is when compared Themyscira from Diana’s perspective. I could see a story where Diana sympathizes with Ivy but later learns that Ivy goes too far and has to “betray” her.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

Or a Swamp Thing villain considering they share an origin, motives, and their power comes from The Green.

[@samuelskinner7704]

The problem is the best and most popular version of Poison Ivy is Batman the animated series where she is an ordinary women (her superpower is 'immunity to toxins'). Ivy doesn't scale. Human Ivy does ecoterrorism plots. Superpowered Ivy tries to wipe out humanity, but we have Raj Al Ghul already doing that niche better. If you want her with powers, you'd have to change her personality- The Batman pulls it off by having her be a teenager (so non-psychotic), but classic Ivy doesn't work as more than a one note villain if she moves into the world threatening tier.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

@@samuelskinner7704 Didn’t the DCAU introduce the concept of a metahuman plant/human hybrid that had florokinetic powers with inhuman (pure white and later green) skin? I recalled that from the 60’s to the mid 90’s in the canon comics she looked like a regular human woman who used all these genetically modified plants like gadgets. And she had some poison lipstick. Or maybe poison lips that she couldn’t control. I think Neil Gaiman’s Black Orchid comics connected her origin to Swamp Thing, The Floronic Man, Black Orchid, and the Green. So she probably had powers already. But I don’t remember her having white or green skin until the revival of Batman: The Animated Series colored her like that. And soon the post-crisis comics followed that choice. (Did No Man’s Land first use Ivy like that?)

[@samuelskinner7704]

@@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive Yes (apologies for skipping alot); I'm focusing on the most popular animation. Ivy is a normal human in Btas (1992-1995); she is changed (white skin) for The New Batman Adventures (1997-1999; maybe inspired by the live action movie), bit roles in Static Shock and Justice League (green skin) and it ends with her being a planet scale threat in Batman and Harley Quinn (2017). The majority of her content is in Btas; she has 3 episodes for The New Batman Adventures; Holiday Knights, Girls Night Out and Chemistry; in all of those she is a generic villain. Ivy works as a ground level villain. Her goals means she has little ties to anyone or anything else- if she wasn't paired with Harley Quinn she'd be the unabomber. If she is saner or more social she rapidly loses the drive to be a supervillain.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

@@samuelskinner7704 Both the TNBA and Schumacher's B&R were released in 1997. I am not sure which one started pre-production first and which had a metahuman Ivy first. One of the things I credit Schumacher for is getting _Sub_ -Zero_ made which WB execs wanted as direct to video release that would ride the new live action movie hype. But thankfully it was handled to Boyd Kirkland and Randy Rogel, who worked on BTAS and actually cared about the characteristics and treated them with care. And the cartoon arrived late (Was B+R that bad that WB didn't want these Batman franchises associated with one another?)

[@PunishedvenomPatrick-s6f]

Nah my man gentleman ghost is getting shafted

[@ZQPPS]

The realistic Batman is so annoying because like.. if you want to make a realistic crime drama of a character there’s so many other DC characters you can use like the Question is probably the most realistic DC character I can think of.. just a smart detective with a no face mask and a blue suit and fedora but I don’t even think he’s been adapted once other than the DCAU.

[@Cooom]

Batman Brave and the Bold did a good question

[@ZQPPS]

@@Cooom oh yeah I haven’t watched that show but now that you say it I do think I saw the episode he was in

[@JohnnyJustice777]

​@@ZQPPSMan, i have been begging for a question show. I loved Jeffrey Coomb's version of Question in JLU. But question does get some powers later. It depends, there are like 3 questions

[@soence]

My theory is that by the end of the series Oz Cob will become Oswald Cobblepot. As Oz fully becomes and embraces “the penguin” persona, he’ll portray himself as if he’s come from this generational wealth to start his own empire and better fit in with the other legacy Gotham crime families like the maronis and falcones. Feeling like he needs to change his name to Oswald Cobblepot to better suit this new era, distancing himself from the struggling driver and lapdog he used to be.

[@erikbihari3625]

Alfred PennyWorth;"i keep house for a Man, who Dresses Like a Bat, and works in a Cave! At this point in my life, there's little that phases me".

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Oficiales de policía de Gotham teniendo que detener la pelea de un tipo con un disfraz de halloween y un grupo de pingüinos con ametralladoras: 😑

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

not anymore since he died several years ago

[@erikbihari3625]

@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω. Excuse moi?

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

@@erikbihari3625 DC killed Alfred Pennyworth several years ago probably for good

[@danelisslow3269]

I love both sides of Batman but for the past 30 years we've been dealing exclusively in grounded Batman. I think it's past time the pendulum swung the other way.

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

19 years the tetralogy is hardly grounded

[@wunclerlaufenbumcorneliusu7047]

I’m sure comic fans are ready for rogues and heroes like Grundy, Azazel, Blockbuster, and Zatanna etc. but I doubt the common audience is. Advertisers and producers have their hand in this as well, and the writing would have to serve so many interests for this to kick off. Mentioning 1919, 1889, etc as a drawing board for the Reeves films is a great point and could definitely work.

[@abiodunsulaiman2297]

Maybe if you actually put them in the damn movies they'd be interested

[@wunclerlaufenbumcorneliusu7047]

@@abiodunsulaiman2297 Fair enough, but I’m just a nerd on KZbin lmao. I wouldn’t be here yapping on this channel if I was getting paid the bucks to be a writer. I can’t put anyone in those films.

[@comixproviderftw_02]

You’ll begin to realize there’s two distinct eras of Batman, split completely down the middle. There’s the Detective Era and the Hero Era. The Detective Era consists of Batman’s early years as a mysterious vigilante. Where he solves crimes, and puts fear into criminals and the public sees him as a urban legend. His only sidekicks were Dick Grayson Robin, and Barbara Gordon Batgirl. His supervillains started popping up and has a shaky relationship with the Police with the exception of Jim Gordon. The Hero Era consists of Batman joining The Justice League, getting involved big scale, end of the world, cosmic adventures. Gaining an entire pantheon of sidekicks, and becoming the prep time having, keeping secret files on his friends because paranoid mentality, always one step ahead, OP Batgod himself.

[@abiodunsulaiman2297]

Batman joined the justice league 7 years before barbara Gordon existed

[@Scrinwaipwr]

I will always like grounded versions of Batman. But when this one with Reeves & Pattinson has run its course it'd be nice to see Batman in a more fantastical and super-powered world a la Justice League, like what we were promised but never got with Ben Affleck.

[@Carrion-0409]

I feel like dc needs to take some notes from the mcu. They have a universe where wacky shit such as magic and monsters exist, but its also grounded enough to be believable. Dc themselves has done a mix of grounded and mystical properly in comics such as batman dammed. DC could do the same thing, if not better, if WB actually let people try to break the mold when making movies.

[@mcalkis5771]

The DCU Batman 100% needs a blue suit, and to fully embrace the comic book weirdness.

[@Carrion-0409]

I dont agree with that. For the average person the black and grey suit has become his definitive look excluding keaton and bale. They tried to change it in the flash and people thought the blue was ugly. Gunn needs to find a suit that pleases both casual and hardcore fans. Seeing how well the rebirth suit is received my bet is it'll be heavily based on that.

[@jcore0981]

​@Carrion-0409 The reason the suit looked bad in Flash was cause he was in daylight for one. And other being the awful hexagon pattern on his chest.

[@EbilEnemyofBurgerTown]

They should definitely give Batman the blue and gray suit with the trunks and white eyes. Would really help it stand out from the other past live action Batmen.

[@baligong3592]

I rather if they go with using the normal Black suit and use Blue Light to make it reflect off of his Suit. Black & Gray suit is as old as Superman's Blue & Red, if not, older. Black & Gray with Blue Light to reflect the highlight is better to me.

[@2gredvisions8560]

​@@baligong3592 Ooh, I like that idea 😁. It'd kinda be like a live-action adaptation of the suit he wore in Justice League: The Animated Series and Unlimited.

[@Krondon-SSR]

I love Pattinsons batman, but i would like to see a fantastical Bman in the Gunn dcu

[@oakmobb]

Exactly let’s keep the two separate

[@P0iNtLeSs27]

I fr need some Schumacher-esque Batman movies back really bad

[@Handle423]

Man, I can't wait for my favourite Bat-tuber to release another video

[@TheBatspecter]

trust the process

[@Kaanimal_Scatterbrained]

I want to see what grounded Spider-Man would be. Let’s get a break from grounded Batman and fantastical Spider-Man and let them swap

[@somethingclever4297]

That would just be making Peter's life even more depressing.

[@Scrinwaipwr]

There's only so grounded you can make a character with nonsense super-powers.

[@VolWrightX]

​@@ScrinwaipwrTo be fair for Spider-Man "grounded" would just means "street level", so less Avengers/Spider-Verse level threats & more guys like Kingpin or Tombstone

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

​@@VolWrightXSony: eso es aburrido estás aburriendo a todos pongan a knull

[@zuckubus9835]

​@@VolWrightXthe amazing spider-man upto the city lizard bomb

[@TrashmanCZ]

Grounded Batman was never fresh in the first place.

[@nightlasher]

I think after the second movie if they plan on making more after the second they should add mrs freeze because he isn’t too unrealistic and after him they could add characters like killer croc or poison ivy because seeing this version of Batman going against villains will superpowers would be cool to see

[@willku9000]

Honestly the main problem is that in a Cynical post dark knight world we live in, a lot of creators fans and Warner Bros just see Batman as crime drama and mental health deconstruction over being a superhero. This is likely why Warner Bros rejected the Batman Beyond movie that was pitched by the guys who made Spiderverse, since the Fantastical Cyberpunk vibe of Batman beyond doesn’t fit that Narrow viewpoint. What’s hilarious is one of my favorite alternate takes on Batman is insanely far from grounded and that’s Dark Claw from the short lived Amalgam Comics imprint that’s Jointly Owned by Marvel and DC. Basically there was a massive inter company crossover and around half way through, give or take, the DC and Marvel universes combine into one creating a fascinating roster of heroes and villains who are combinations of characters from the 2 companies. Logan Wayne aka Dark Claw is Batman crossed with Wolverine and along with fighting crime alongside his sidekick Sparrow (Robin and Jubilee) he also seeks to stop and kill his old war buddy turned monsterous psychopath with a Healing Factor Creed Quinn aka Hyena who is SABERTOOTH CROSSED WITH THE JOKER!!! Functionally he’s Batman with Wolverine’s claws and Healing factor, but in combining the 2 characters he’s A very unique take on both, like with Dark Claw being more open to killing than Batman and being an Artist instead of just a trust fund billionaire.

[@eon001]

Reeves is grounded, and Gunns is fantasy. We've just had Batfleck with the Justice Leagues. I have no problem with ONE universe that's grounded.

[@uzii6540]

Yeah idk what this guys talking about lol we literally just had Batman fight aliens.

[@PoDawg]

Yea Gunn’s version of Batman is definitely going to have fantastical elements.

[@DfNtSpdrMn]

You should do a video on Gotham 1919-1939. That would be cool

[@Acacius0]

we need fantastical batman more than ever now although i love reeves batman but i still want that MCU fame for DC..

[@CountCrane2065]

Love seeing Gotham 1919-1939 getting some love. Great video.

[@joeker5208]

I’d be fine with The Batman series being all grounded if that means that the Batman in the DCU goes more in with the fantastical & superhero elements of Batman. Even in his beginning stories mostly dealt with vampires and monsters, with that soon progressing to more whacky supervillains I’d love for a Batman movie series to finally take more inspiration from the 2000s Batman, Morrison Batman, Snyder’s, etc

[@milkiassamuel780]

Im glad that the DCU will be diving into the more fantastical side of Batman as he is such a multi-faceted character that can work in both a grounded/realistic tone but also as a campy, fantastical character that can fight aliens or monsters and both directions can work as weve seen in The Batman (2022), The Dark Knight Trilogy, The Batman Animated Series, Batman: The Brave and the Bold animated series etc... I adored The Batman (2022) and how well it truly understands the character, and Im fine with whatever direction Matt Reeves wants to take with the character though I do hope he's at least willing to do something new with the Batman mythos, at least something that doesn't look as similar as the grounded Dark Knight trilogy and give it its own identity.

[@status_quo_post]

I like the grounded approach of The Batman and I think it works better than the one Nolan had. But I see your point and I like Clayface as much as the next guy. So I think there should be a place for supernatural live action Batman villains but this place shouldn't be the Reevesverse.

[@adrianherrera4238]

3:18 - 3:28 This pretty much sums up exactly what I've been thinking when it comes to this topic.

[@JohnathanJannenga69]

Keep up the work I'm really digging your videos

[@therealbingobango]

I feel like the spores in penguin episode 3 bliss could lead us down a path to seeing a certain spookem

[@brett66]

The rooftop jump scene is pretty inexcusable. You have a batman who is startled by heights, and then uses a squirrel glider. It just begs the question as to why this interation of the character even chose the imagery of a bat in the first place.

[@greatgatsby0174]

I LOVE grounded Batman, it honestly makes Gotham feel more unique and in a way less complicated when compared to other DC stuff. But I don’t mind seeing other elements that aren’t grounded in the slightest. Personally that’s why I LOVE Arkham Batman, it can juggle those two perfectly and feel excellent.

[@Agent_Cobalt]

Grounded isn’t getting stale, but the perceived hype around it is waning

[@SpaceBoyDigital]

Nah, your playing semantics games. Its stale

[@crosslash01]

I feel the way you do about the Batman franchise on film. I like a good balance that The Batman has. The fantastical does have its place, after all Batman's special is shock and awe.

[@felixleidig8307]

It was stale when Batman Begins came out already

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

the tetralogy wasn't realistic

[@YodaOnABender]

To me, the groundedness is part of Batman’s charm. He’s one of the only heroes who feel like he could almost exist in real life unlike basically every other superhero

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

not really no

[@YodaOnABender]

@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω yep

[@abiodunsulaiman2297]

But he can't, no billionaire would actually use their money to help people, let alone fund some crime fighting empire to fight some dude made put of clay

[@Rengokuo4o6]

​@@abiodunsulaiman2297 as in IN comparison to most superheroes, he is. But i personally never liked grounded Batman and i never will.

[@poopooman-q7r]

people forget that batman year one is in the same continuity as final crisis/ the morrison run on batman.

[@awfulusername1465]

I love manbat! And i really want him to be a main villain in a bat flick.

[@HadeTheReal]

Though it probably wouldn't happen I would love to see a movie based on serious house on serious earth

[@AppleSussy]

Every night I pray for James Gunn to save Sasha Calle from DCEU Hell. Leave EVERYONE else behind except for her and Xolo PLEASE

[@SecretMagician]

Who would you like her to play in the DCU, considering that Milly Alcock will be the new DCU Supergirl?

[@takumifujiwara9181]

I personally want an over the top acrobatic ninja batman having over the top fights against villians like Clayface.

[@JohnDanielRay1]

I agree completely with everything you said, I'm tired of seeing the same thing over and over again. Batman is not a realistic character, he's a man wearing a bat themed tactical suit meant to go up against super powered individuals, when people place him in "realistic" settings it just feels out of place. We don't need super campy villains, but can Reeves at least try not to do just another Nolan trilogy because he's ashamed that a comic book character isn't meant to stand in for a crime drama?

[@ryansimmers8948]

At least for me, Matt Reeves’s take on Batman has been my favorite by far! Something about the noir gritty nature of it and seeing what all these characters might look like in a grounded reality is awesome. BUT, I also do view his universe as more of a side project/spinoff if that makes sense. Batman’s origins have so many fantastical elements that deserve to be adapted into live action! As much as I love The Batman, I’m going to miss not seeing villains like Freeze, poison ivy, clay face, and countless others. Reeve’s universe is the closest we’re ever gonna get to “grounded Batman” so the next adaption we see should go crazy with all the fantastical elements of Batman that we haven’t seen for so long.

[@baligong3592]

I often hear people talking about how they want a "Fantasy" Batman, with him going on some "Saturday Morning Cartoon" adventures. But this video does a good job explaning that it doesn't have to be the Random Occasion 1-up comics tries to be, but just embrace aspects of what is introduced and used in comics. To me, the Best Version of Batman isn't just a Batman fighting off crime and hunting criminals in a Mystery Story, but also a Batman fighting crime while aspects of Supernatural is thrown in to give it Horror to give the Mystery aspect more Flavour.

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Es curioso ya que en los comics esta ocurriendo exactamente lo contrario tienen esta visión de Batman como este Dios que tiene un plan para todo y que es imposible de vencer

[@eduardolobos2812]

No realmente si lo han vencido

[@kendi5391]

That's not the real Batman. Real Batman is a man of great pain helping everyone he can, refering to villains with their actual names to make them feel like they have a chance for redemtion or hugging a kid and who lost it all and saying everything will be okay. You can have this Batman fighting woman controlling plans or desperate husband who tries to get funds by icly holding people ranson.

[@derekgreen7319]

I would love to see clayface in a Batman movie. The clayface material from Batman the animated series was always my favorite.

[@jojowalker6560]

You have a point about all of the Batman villains I like to see manbat clay face Mr freeze hush a better version of killer crock than that suicide squad version they have gave us theirs a way to do these it's possible. I just feel like those last 2 Batman movies from the 90s gave his villains a bad look on his great catalog of villains..

[@SuperSwimTeam7]

Opening joke hit so hard, you have no idea

[@matti.8465]

The thing about adapting a franchise like Batman is that there's so much, any adaptation is bount to just focus on a few aspects of it. Reeves is focusing on the crime and detective aspect of Batman, and he's good at it. That universe has a certain identity that doesn't accomodate for SOME things, and that's okay. I think people are going to stop complaining about Reeves' universe not being wacky and magical when Gunn's Batman comes out and does exactly that. Ideally both takes should complement each other.

[@willverschneider1102]

One time I wrote a fan concept of a very, very fantastical Batman, set in the fantasy genre. Batman is a literal dark knight, the Joker is a goblin, the Penguin is an anthro penguin person, the Riddler is a sphynx, Poison Ivy is a fairy, Mr Freeze is an ice elemental wizard, the Mad Hatter is the literal Mad Hatter from Wonderland, just as a few examples.

[@Victor-qx3vx]

Thinking about more fantastical characters for Batman DCU I think I’d really like if: - Clayface was one of the villains of course. Preferably alongside Scarecrow. Make it a horror-ish movie that questions what makes a monster and how Batman can keep himself from becoming one (and he can, easily. This would be a more compassionate Batman). -Ra’s Al Ghul and Poison Ivy work together until one double crosses the other since their goals don’t really align in the long run. Keeping the theme relevant to its villains this movie could be about redemption and how humanity can and has to be better. Which is always a good excuse to put some irredeemable minor villains such as Cornelius Stirk, James Gordon Jr. Alyce Sinner or Professor Pyg. But also a redeemable one like Humpty Dumpty.

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

they do both of them want the human race dead

[@The_Backman]

Yes. I do love grounded takes on Batman but I think the audience is ready for surreal Batman stories

[@eriksanchez1721]

If its an earlier Batman, then I don't mind a more grounded approach. But if its a seasoned batman? Yeah, its super stale because we deserve a Batman who's in his prime that has fought most of his villains and has the bat family

[@GUSYROSA-qj2pk]

I find so funny how Reeves’ Batman is all “grounded” with gliding suit and all but then he has magic undetectable contact lenses with HD camera and sound capturing and it just exists, no in-movie explanation and no questioning at all.

[@controlman7490]

Actually, camera contacts do exist, but they're prototypes. But that's not even the most unrealistic thing about this Batman. He literally crashed into a bridge at 100 mph and sustained zero damage. That was some comic book level physics. Irl his body would've been severed in two.

[@PosthumanHeresy]

@@controlman7490 They're prototypes we know about. If there's a prototype we know about, DARPA probably had it fully functional and in the field 10 years ago.

[@revivalakame]

doing tricks on it

[@kthemess8028]

The goat is back

[@feeble_goblin3764]

The Mat Reeves batman in my opinion is the perfect sweet spot grounded but stylized as hell. I love batman being the best of MAN fighting the worst of MAN. Arkham does a good job too. It’s fantastical but it is consistent.

[@r0cket104]

Shouldn’t even be a hot take but Robin himself is more important to the Batman mythos than Batman himself we wouldn’t even have the Batman of today without Robin

[@TheBatofArkham]

The flash taken wasn’t accurate……it was SOOO ACCURATE!! keep up man 👍👍

[@TheDrBlobfish12]

I’m a simple man, I see Gentleman Ghost, I click

[@Dookieman1975]

To me, not yet. And it’ll prob be balanced out when the TB&TB comes out cuz they seem to be more into the crazy fantastical JL founding member version. And we got caped crusader with supernatural opponents. But I gotta say, changing Oz’ last name is pretty stupid and so was the explaination for why. Ideally we’d be getting grounded Batman and very comic bookey Batman pretty soon

[@moesqrd]

We need that Mark Wiad hybrid in Worlds Finest

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

you mean THE SUPERMAN /BATMAN fusion

[@jcore0981]

In the same vein as people being sick of dark Superman, I think people are getting sick of realistic gritty Batman. I want to see a Batcave with a giant dinosaur. I want to see a Batman wear a blue and grey suit. I want to see Mr. Freeze, and Poison Ivy, and a Penguin that looks like a penguin. I want to see Robin again. A Batmobile that looks like a bat shaped car. The batwing. On and on and on. I like the Dark Knight and The Batman. But why are we throwing out 85 percent of Batman iconography for the sake of realism?

[@Rengokuo4o6]

I like a fantastical Batman too! I just hate Robin because there's no moral reason for Batman to induct a kid into fighting crime. Personally, i don't think Bruce is mentally insane or psychotic or trauma or etc. That's post modernism garbage. There's been people and stories for centuries about men who use their skills for the good of the people. I think Batman is a good dude. The one criticism of his character that i agree with is the indoctrination of children into crime fighting. He shouldn't really do that. I think his relationship with Catwoman should be spent giving him a companion and also perhaps...marriage. The quote of Batman needing Robin to keep him good just further proves the mentally ill thing that people give Batman shit for. Plus the "putting kids in harms way argument". However i do love fantastical Batman hence why Batfleck is my favourite portrayal. Pattinson and Bale are just not my cup of tea. Also the black suit is superior in style and beauty to the blue suit.

[@elimiller958]

​@@Rengokuo4o6 I can't get behind the child soilder take on Robin because if you apply it to him, then you have to apply it to every other child protagonist ever

[@Rengokuo4o6]

​@@elimiller958 no not really. Do you have any examples? See the thing is most child protagonists don't have adult supervision like Spiderman and most have superpowers like Spiderman, kid flash, superboy etc. Robin is just a kid. Batman is an adult. He shouldn't be taking a kid with no powers or experience to fighting crime. That's my issue with the Robin thing, there's no moral justification for it except that BATMAN IS INSANE. Ofcourse the argument is that it is a fictional world but that argument doesn't even suffice because the consequences of his actions have also been gone into. Like Dick getting gravely injured, Jason Todd died, Stephanie Brown also died, Damian died, like all these things and you'll still have Batman pick up another kid for Robin. Only someone who is mentally ill would do that and i don't think Batman is.

[@controlman7490]

@@Rengokuo4o6 Robin is a kid who exists in a universe where real world physics don't apply. In his world a 13 year old with combat training can take out 30 men by himself. That is why Batman can use his help during fights because in his world a kid is strong enough to take down adults. Obviously, irl this wouldn't be possible, but we're not talking about the real world, are we?

[@Rengokuo4o6]

@@controlman7490 Read my comment again and you'll understand. I have no problems with the fantastical side of things, what i have an issue with is the morality behind taking a child and indictrinating him into crime fighting at a young age. How can we portray Batman as a superhero to be looked up to when he's throwing kids into the line of gunfire. Also the consequences of Batman working with children are present even in his fictional stories like Jason Todd's death, Tim Drakes parents death, Damian's death, Dick Grayson's injury etc. Also i like the Batman character personally and would really like to see him work ALONE.

[@plaidchuck]

Well they had a chance at non-grounded with the DCEU but completely fucked it up so here we are. I will say I liked how The Batman didn't regurgitate his origin or why Gordon "trusts" him or where he gets his equipment. "Year Two" is a good compromise between not regurgitating the nolan trilogy and putting in springboards to something different if they want

[@rekir1]

I kept uttering one word during this entire video man nobody talks about killer croc 😔😔😔 I need justice for my reptile daddy

[@enricolunelli9039]

I don't understand why they simply don't make a live-action version of the 90s Batman animated series.

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

sans Bruce /Barbara

[@plaidchuck]

Because no one wants to just copy and paste someones work

[@enricolunelli9039]

@@plaidchuck yeah I know I was just exaggerating to prove a point

[@DarkBowserr]

1:29 Mannn I have a last name that originates from a royal bloodline of a rich and powerful family descending from Guatemala. But here living in a low income neighborhood. So Cobblepott is not something out of the ordinary and I think the last name “Cobb” is a name I bet no one has.

[@pulsarstargrave256]

"Getting stale....?"

[@society7394]

5:29 that’s a mood

[@highflyer3353]

It's never not been stale

[@sparky918]

idk, i really like the grounded version of batman, or at least the one Reeves has given us so far. i dont think it should stay hyper realistic to the point of ignoring any kind of fantatsical elements, but more so i just want a serious take on some of my favorite characters, Mr Freeze for example, which i think could slot in well in this universe if they arent afraid to embrace certain sci fi elements. what i dont want is something super campy

[@brandocalrissian3294]

A batman movie done in a noir style and shot like sin city would be the best. Especially if the lighting when batman is on screen looked like how they did morticia Addams in those movies with the shadows.

[@kupvc]

Still waiting for the halloween video specter :

[@Cooom]

Poison Ivy as a wonder woman villain works as well as Batman, maybe better. I say this more so as an Ivy fan than batman fan. Ivy has gone from a criminal with a gimmick to a metahuman with powers over all plant life, literally on par with Swamp Thing.

[@joeymarshall7663]

I still like batman being a "grounded" character in movies. Something like a Pyg storyline would be cool to see. Dark and gritty and fucked up but would be interesting

[@Victor-qx3vx]

8:26 The Penguin show started doing that, kinda. Not with Robin but with another character.

[@kendi5391]

Yeah Vic, he got Jason's backstory of stealing tires.

[@Victor-qx3vx]

@@kendi5391Not that one. I’m talking especifically about an important character in “Dark Victory” who is also in The Penguin show, but I don’t want to spoil that comic for those who haven’t read it.

[@kendi5391]

@@Victor-qx3vx Oh alright then.

[@kwayneboy1524]

Eh I don't mind it I think it work because it leaves things more creative.

[@enricolunelli9039]

I always thought the grounded Nolan version was perfect. When I saw Matt Reeves Batman I immediately felt that it was superfluous

[@Manlker]

At least we got Batman Yakuza coming

[@shroobify]

A realistic Clayface would probably be closer to his Golden age version: a deranged theatre actor that wears horror make up.

[@robt.v.8688]

I wanna see Robert Rodriguez do Batman Brave and the Bold.

[@robt.v.8688]

And Rob Zombie should do Mad Love

[@erikbihari3625]

You should make more videos about batman the brave and the bold! That show was really good, not despite, but because the more fantastically delivered elements. Also, leave joe chill alone!

[@apostolostvable]

A supernatural twist could work with Solomon Grundy

[@nomadproductions4051]

People treat grounded Batman like it’s an epidemic that has been going on nonstop for decades but can only name the exact same 2 examples.

[@ScribbleGraPhics]

peak video

[@CNTconnoisseur]

I'll never watch Matt Reeves' rehash of the Nolan movies. Idk why people even care.

[@PowerpuffBlito]

Nah i think Reeves can't put on something like clayface or freeze, it simply doesn't fit the guy didn't even put a green suit on Riddler no way a shape shifter would fit.

[@imakecontent2206]

Having a Batman more akin to the Justice League show would be perfect

[@9klincoln]

reeves batman not being the dcu is criminal

[@jacobkimble9757]

It's not because every other superhero doesn't follow that format, let batman be the grounded character and the others be fantastical

[@griffodagreat7646]

i bet u loved the new joker