Is Indonesia Better than Malaysia For Living?

[@baemon90]

If we talk about Public transportation only, not including ride sharing, i think KL is better. The LRT, MRT, BRT, KTM, ERL, Airport rail link & monorail all of it are seamlessly connected. With the MRT circle line coming up, getting around KL city will be much more easier.

[@tinydetour]

Yeah understand where you are coming from.

[@mintico]

Living in KL is miles better than Jakarta. Jakarta is full of traffic, flood, polutions. Just avoid it for long term living. For short trip holiday maybe ok

[@tinydetour]

Understand where you are coming from... are you saying this as an Indonesian or malaysian?

[@admin8784]

​@@tinydetouras an experienced expat

[@rosdanteh1218]

I dont know where you got your data... kuala lumpur "official" size is just 1/3 or Jakarta.. so it is quite small, but it got about 74+ malls compared to Jakarta 84+, in which per square kilometers, KL still got more malls than Jalarta.. if you want to count Malls in both cities, you might need to look at "greater jakarta" and "greater kuala lumpur" which includes surrounding cities. then you could google up and find up that KL got much more malls than Jakarta.. Al-Jazeera reported that Greater KL got 727 malls. and retail centers. cheers.,,😀

[@abumahput5408]

Jakarta has more ! Pungli ,Ogah , Tukang Parkir illegal, Jambret , Begal ,Bacok . Wow Jakarta has more !!! 😂😂😂 Let alone the longest toilet in the world !!! 😊

[@tinydetour]

We knew this would be a sensitive topic. I understand your thinking, but even if u take the extended parts if each cities, from what we have seen jakarta has more. And also their malls are also much bigger with a lot more options

[@585salahuddin]

It's ok bro, you can't have all the eggs in one basket; share it. Malaysian are well known for being generous and polite so just be proud of sharing one of the eggs!

[@gl731]

@@tinydetour I never seen any biggest mall ranking for Jakarta mall 🤣

[@gl731]

Search Klang Valley mall ! Kuala Lumpur searching isn’t accurate because KL located in K. Valley. It way more than Jakarta 😂

[@mohdzaki1089]

Tripzila excellence award 2024 goes to.....Malaysia .. as destination of the year.

[@tinydetour]

Didn't know that. Thanks

[@ejatboy]

Since you seem to lack sufficient knowledge about public transport in the two cities, especially in Kuala Lumpur, let me share some comparisons between the two cities. Here’s a comparison between the public transport systems in Kuala Lumpur (KL) and Jakarta: 1. System and Network Coverage Kuala Lumpur LRT, MRT, and Monorail: KL has an efficient Light Rail Transit (LRT), Mass Rapid Transit (MRT), and monorail system connecting key urban and suburban areas. KTM Komuter: Serves longer-distance areas like Klang and Rawang. Buses: RapidKL operates most buses, complemented by free services like the GoKL City Bus in central areas. Integration: Key hubs like KL Sentral connect multiple modes of transport seamlessly. Jakarta MRT and LRT: Jakarta has recently launched MRT and LRT systems, but coverage is still limited compared to KL. TransJakarta: One of the largest Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) systems globally, with dedicated lanes for buses ensuring efficient travel. Commuter Line (KRL): Covers broader areas, linking Jakarta with surrounding cities like Bogor and Bekasi. --- 2. Accessibility and Convenience Kuala Lumpur Public transport is well-integrated, with smart card systems (Touch 'n Go) usable across trains and buses. Modern stations with escalators, lifts, and clear signage in multiple languages. Cleanliness and punctuality are generally well-maintained. Jakarta TransJakarta buses have extensive routes, though road traffic can sometimes slow operations despite dedicated lanes. MRT is modern but still expanding its reach. Ticketing systems (JakLingko card) integrate multiple transport modes, but integration is not as seamless as KL’s. --- 3. Cost Kuala Lumpur Affordable fares for most services. For example, MRT and LRT fares typically range between RM1-RM6, depending on distance. Free buses (GoKL) help tourists and residents save money. Jakarta Cheaper overall. TransJakarta fares are very low, typically IDR 3,500 (around RM1). MRT and LRT are affordable but slightly pricier than buses. --- 4. Traffic Challenges Kuala Lumpur Efficient rail systems help avoid road traffic, but buses can still face congestion during peak hours. Jakarta Severe traffic congestion is a significant issue, especially during rush hours. While TransJakarta buses have dedicated lanes, other public transport options can be delayed due to traffic. --- 5. Future Developments Kuala Lumpur Expansion of MRT and LRT networks (e.g., MRT3 Circle Line). More focus on green and electric buses. Jakarta MRT and LRT expansions are ongoing to cover more areas. Increased efforts to integrate all modes under the JakLingko system. --- Conclusion KL: Offers a more integrated and extensive public transport system with greater coverage and ease of use for residents and tourists alike. Jakarta: While improving rapidly, it still faces challenges in integration and traffic but excels in affordability and its vast BRT network.

[@tinydetour]

Did you copy paste from Chat GPT?

[@fadhlii]

you miss one most important thing. The healthcare accessibility

[@tinydetour]

Yeah that's a good category missed. Thanks for pointing; may be in future videos 🙏

[@MrDevan0110]

As an Indonesian I think KL is better than Jakarta. It is better to live in Indonesia when you look at other parts of Indonesia

[@tinydetour]

When you talk about other parts of Indonesia, which locations/cities are you referring to?

[@Kushal6831]

Malaysia is better especially Kuala Lumpur 😊 expats prefer Kuala Lumpur because of cost of living and better visa for foreigners

[@tinydetour]

Totally agree

[@afzalshaikh2128]

Great video. Just subscribed as well. I’m going with extended family (14 of us) including kids for about a month to Indonesia in July.

[@tinydetour]

Thank you! and Sounds great - enjoy with the family!

[@meesarah]

I think we are both unique in our own ways. Where you want to settle down is based on your priorities. I am Malaysian & I do think Indonesia is a great place minus the earth quakes.

[@arthurwatts1680]

The traffic in KL is crazy for a city of it's size but the traffic in Jakarta is a whole other world of pain. Some claim that Surabaya is even worse, but that is difficult to imagine - I naively thought that Bangkok had the worst traffic in Southeast Asia until I landed in Jakarta.

[@tinydetour]

Trust me, we felt the same when in Jakarta! Bkk traffic seemed great in comparison haha

[@henrybutcher9436]

Actually it depends on your financial situation, usually the rich will pick Malaysia. Have to consider more besides monry, for example your personal safety, health, pollution, culture and etc

[@tinydetour]

So in terms of those other aspects, which cities would be better in your opinion?

[@Rayong33]

You conveniently omitted the LRT, MRT, Monorail and bus services in KL. Getting around is very convenient with these and also, Grab costs are inexpensive too. Shame on you. 🤭😝

[@tinydetour]

We did touch on it.

[@missscarlet4586]

​@@tinydetouryes, do not have Gojek, but we have monorel, free bus services, different train systems, etc.. and certainly traffici condition in KL is better than traffici situation in Jakarta

[@hyderalwi41]

When you do all this ‘better living’ between KL and Jakarta…have u actually do a study or just on your own whims? As a Malaysian definitely will take aback while noting that no cities are perfect…but seriously KL and Jakarta? The major factor that you should see when thinking of moving to another city is to see the utilities infrastructures eg like electrical and drinking water quality etc…dont get me wrong just have a look at this proper survey done by Mercer’s World Cities Ranking for Quality of Living year 2023… Singapore 29 Hong Kong 77 Dubai 79 Kuala Lumpur 86 Johor Baharu (Malaysia) 107 Bangkok 124 Manila 135 Jakarta 148 Out of 241 countries. There you go… even another city in Malaysia better of than Jakarta

[@tinydetour]

Yeah I understand where u are coming from. But we did this comparison from our own personal experience having lived in both these cities.

[@Yasin_Affandi]

Thank you for sharing your experience living in KL, Malaysia compared to living in Jakarta, Indonesia.

[@tinydetour]

Both was unique experiences

[@feratbow]

Very interesting! Thanks for the comparison!👋

[@tinydetour]

Thanks for watching! Which part most resonated with you

[@kiplingkoliak]

Jakarta is sinking. That's why they are moving their administration capital away from Jakarta.

[@tinydetour]

Yeah I know... I think it's some time away..

[@sup3rbonbon]

Indonesia is raw Malaysia is becoming Digital , so pick ur pick :)

[@tinydetour]

:)

[@thewaywardcyclist3992]

you didn't mention pungli and slums

[@tinydetour]

Where?

[@gingerteddy618]

​@@tinydetourJakarta. And many cities in indonesia have "pungli". It refers to illegal parking fee collectors.

[@tinydetour]

Oh I see what you mean - I thought they were doing a pretty good civil service... otherwise the traffic will probably be much worse right? In terms of parking... I probably havent noticed as we always used ride share

[@khairulhamzah5622]

Indonesia is always more advance in everything. No country to compare. Please stay in Indonesia ya. You like gojek right?

[@tinydetour]

Do I sense some sarcasm?

[@aburhanaw]

😂 of course. Indonesia where all civilisation begins. We have nothing and they have everything.

[@babibrain]

For me, Malaysia is a clear winner for all categories. However Indonesia has Bali, Jogjakarta which is the most amazing city. Indonesia wins

[@tinydetour]

Are you indonesian?

[@yuyij6703]

I love living in Bandung. It’s cheap and cooler

[@tinydetour]

We haven't been there... do tell us more. May be we would visit there the next time 🙂

[@ethos-]

Nope. Not even close.

[@tinydetour]

Tell us more... what did you think of our comparison

[@alinasimon6399]

In Malaysia we have another food delivery service is food panda the pink panda.

[@tinydetour]

Yes you are right... now they also introduced bolt for travel, but we have noticed there are less available cars. May be it will get better over time

[@irishque]

If u want to die early due to pollution and poor healthcare jakarta is ur choice

[@rockstarmsia3349]

Correct.Traffic congestion will lead to high BP and stress

[@tinydetour]

Yeah pollution is a but hectic

[@azeedahhasleezan1678]

FYI in Indonesian millions of vehicles use RON 90 as the main fuel. RON 90 is one of the most polluting fuel which is not in use Malaysia. Our most common fuel is RON 95

[@mikael8031]

hahahaha.. when BAPOK is talking

[@585salahuddin]

Kuala Lumpur MALAYSIA : 6 Jakarta INDONESIA : 2 TIE : 2 Malaysia is the BETTER place for living. Malaysia semakin mendunia 👍

[@tinydetour]

According to us, yes. What do you think?

[@585salahuddin]

@@tinydetour I have nothing else to think of except to TOTALLY AGREE

[@ssnakessgaming4871]

Honestly this goin to triggered indonesian more even if they know it was true.

[@tinydetour]

I hope not.. that wasn't our intention. But do you agree with the comparison?

[@ezzywish417]

​@@tinydetour Agreed.

[@aburhanaw]

Yep. They will bring up they have kereta cepat which unfortunately Malaysia don't.

[@izdnghz]

maybe the title should just say comparison between Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta for living instead of using the names of the entire countries

[@tinydetour]

Fair enough

[@geraldonn3731]

Lately more foreigners making KZbin videos comparing Malaysia and Indonesia. Do you know that Malaysia and Indonesia sharing the same cultures and races? What do you feel if other people comparing your country?

[@tinydetour]

It terms of same race and language, you are only talking about malays and bahasa. But there are more races and languages between these 2 countries, that's what makes them diverse and unique in some ways. And also, it's just a video sharing our experience, we have no issues with others sharing their experiences and comparing countries connected to us 🙂

[@geraldonn3731]

@tinydetour oh..you think Malaysia is only for Malays? What about the Jawa? Minangkabau? Bugis? Dayak like me then? Hehehe...

[@tinydetour]

No, thats not what I was thinking... I thought you meant that!

[@youngtun5980]

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[@tinydetour]

Thanks for watching :)

[@baharm65]

for quiter living, good to look at ikn & putrajaya… 😊

[@tinydetour]

We do like the services that u get in a metro city. Do you get all those services in say these places you mentioned? E.g. cook, cleaner, grab deliveries etc. Sorry just asking out of curiosity

[@baharm65]

@ for sure putrajaya has all the services and ammenaties you mentioned. adjacent to putrajaya is a smaller township called cyberjaya which worth exploring. these 2 cities - putrajaya & cyberjaya are less than 40 kilometers from downtown KL, connected by highways and MRT. Both too are nearer to KLIA compared to KL city.

[@ariffinsalim2999]

You looked at KL & Jakarta which are the capital cities...but considered them as countries - Malaysia & Indonesia...so your context is not accurate...need to be more accurate next time.

[@tinydetour]

I suppose we did have some flavour that could be put in the country bucket (e.g. visas) as we wanted to provide some holistic information. But understand where u are coming from

[@Mohd1syukri]

itu adalah pengalaman mereka cuma 3 bulan di Indonesia 2 bulan belum cukup byk lagi pengalaman yg mereka dpt negara paling senang untuk di komen tempoh masa 2 month or 3 month adalah brunai dan Singapore tapi kalau Malaysia dan Indonesia walaupun cuma berkaitan di bandar sahaja 3 bulan tu masih tak cukup bagi aku sekurang2 nye 1 tahun hingga ke 2 tahun baru la akn mengenali lebih mendalam soal bandar dan termasuk soal education kita layan je la pendapat Dorang asalkan jgn menghina mcm awek Ukraine tu

[@tinydetour]

It's a matter of perspective. We felt the amount if time we lived in each of these cities were good enough to have a comparison

[@Mohd1syukri]

@tinydetour it's ok if you want to compare my Malaysia country to Indonesia country but i only want to ask you One questions dd you two have visit Malaysia and Indonesia international school education before you want to give your opinion about Malaysia and Indonesia education

[@enchesoyaregaliaatriadelig5951]

Akhirnya Malaysia menang - Yacob ;)

[@tinydetour]

:)

[@abastumi]

do not compare which state. this discaurage the people of the state.if you love the state just keep in your heart.we aseanmen very sensitive.

[@tinydetour]

Why sensitive? And our intention was never to discourage, rather share our own experience

[@tongsaachai19]

bloody history in Indonesia. Humanity crimes with massacre as recent as 1998. Not a place to live

[@thewaywardcyclist3992]

true

[@tinydetour]

We really compared from the perspective of digital nomads/expats but not taking history into consideration that much. Tell us more, are you referring to the dictatorship in the past?

[@tongsaachai19]

​You should refresh with some history course 1998 was the dark history of indonesia where racial riots took place thousands of chinese were massacred by the local indonesians, racial tensions can be a thing in indonesia​. Not to mention indonesia is still hub to global islamic terrorist activity, 2003 witnessed the bombing of bali hotel by local islamic left wing terrorist group @tinydetour

[@tongsaachai19]

Please research about indonesia's past 1998 was its dark history where thousands of chinese were massacred in a riot orchestrated by the military, with the present indonesia president being the backstage driving force Also not to mention indonesia is still hub to the global Islamic terrorist groups, as witnessed by the 2002 Bali hotel bombings. ​@@tinydetour

[@runsinbolt9331]

Forget both cities. Choose any 2nd tier city. More affordable, less crowded, more or less same quality of life.

[@tinydetour]

Give us some examples 🙂

[@shaveensingh1308]

What is your monthly income? How due you pay your mortgage in australia? This video is 5 months old. Where are you now?

[@tinydetour]

Yeah we took a break from youtube as we spent a few months with family

[@AzzrudinJamil]

Oh no, sensitive subject. 😅

[@tinydetour]

Hehe

[@kd_azrul8648]

Of coz KL

[@tinydetour]

😉.. btw have you been to Jakarta?

[@ZoukZouk-h7y]

Malaysia n indonesia not just Kuala Lumpur n Jakarta... u must explore

[@tinydetour]

Yeah we have explored more parts of each countries... but there is always more to explore 😉

[@MohammadAbdulSamad-kp4gi]

Seems like you are just being polite to give some of those points to Jakarta hahaha. Jakarta really can’t compare with KL to be honest. Sorry 😅

[@tinydetour]

hehe.... nah we really shared our honest experience

[@matmotor7572]

Most expats prefer KL because of good value for money😂

[@tinydetour]

Yes, but also depends on the type of Expats... esp families

[@matmotor7572]

I prefer The lost City of Shangrila 😂😂

[@tinydetour]

lol

[@ophirbactrius8285]

Yes, Indonesia way more better than Malaysia. Its have a really² cheapest value for a quiet well-facilitated apartments/condos, not really bad for civil transportation system, highly richly in cultures, variety delicacy cuisines, foods and the most important is the numbers of notoriously tropical beaches, islands, rainforests, wonderful mountainous, and many more natures treasures. Its way more better than Malaysia, Thailand, and Vietnam in all of those aspects.

[@tinydetour]

What's your favourite part of Indonesia

[@ophirbactrius8285]

@tinydetour I will choose Bandung.

[@tinydetour]

We will definitely try visit next time we are there

[@hmn5140]

You should compare Indonesia to your homeland Bangladesh

[@tinydetour]

Why?

[@Keeptheblue]

You would love sri lanka ?

[@alamshahbinmahfof3966]

Malaysia good

[@tinydetour]

It is! 😃 what's your favourite part of this country?

[@arata31]

let's talk about alphabetical order in Indonesia... the pronunciation is so much different!!

[@tinydetour]

Aren't both bahasa?

[@gingerteddy618]

​@tinydetour indonesia is using Bahasa Melayu, but they name it Bahasa Indonesia. Their pronounciation is a bit different. It is the same language. Malaysians especially the Malays, understand Bahasa Indonesia (except when they use their slang)

[@tinydetour]

I see

[@sukhoikecik4375]

konoha will mad

[@tinydetour]

lol

[@bartocastro3672]

No way Jakarta got better public transportation, unless you prefer motorcycles option. The KL train systems are much better. Jakarta or Indonesia got the numbers of malls, because they are much bigger country. But KL got more numbers per km definitely. The KL standard and varieties of malls are way more better even for American or European standard. Though, the much greater aspects of Jakarta-Indonesia generally, they got more genuine cultures. KL Malaysia are too much melting pots. KL are better city to live, but Jakarta are very interesting city to travel.

[@tinydetour]

Fair enough

[@mayfoo02]

Jakarta more interesting? Not really. Its a boring city. Theres really nothing much to do there

[@khalifahjamaluddin]

I believe you been putting 🇵🇱 flag in 0:32 video instead of 🇮🇩 flag.

[@tinydetour]

Thanks for picking that up... oops

[@rahmanramli7818]

What is there to compare...of course as a Malaysian i love this findings but it won't be nice to compare one to one, Jakarta vs KL. It create negativity between between them but it's better to compare for example amongst top 5 cities in SEA. Like Bangkok, Jakarta, KL, Ho Chi Min and Manila and put them in ranking. My sincere comments. Tq

[@tinydetour]

Sure ... next video 🙂

[@arinarin7464]

rohingya ❤ indonesia

[@tinydetour]

not sure what you mean?

[@nuurulbasarmohdbaki6046]

Do stay in Jakarta and Don't come to Malaysia. Seriously we don't compare with Indonesia which is an advanced nation. We are just planning to win the next Election and promote Syariah Law except for Sabah and Sarawak. .

[@tinydetour]

We don't quite understand what you mean, care to explain further?

[@gingerteddy618]

​@@tinydetourGenerally, Malaysians don't compare. You can hardly find Malaysian making comparisons with indonesia. They just work hard to achieve something. On the contrary, there are thousands of Indonesian videos on YT that specialise in Indonesia vs. Malaysia. Most of them full of bragging and praising indonesia. Every week they produce many YT videos to belittle Malaysia.

[@mrj475]

He is indonesian

[@tinydetour]

Oh I see what you mean. I hope ours didnt come across as this - we are not from either countries and visited/stayed temporarily and wanted to share our experience.

[@magnacarta740]

What do Endians know about anything? 😂

[@tinydetour]

Apparently, better English than you (plus we are not Indians)

[@magnacarta740]

@@tinydetour Your reply just proved that you are Endians! 🤣😂🤣

[@ADHD55]

Both are muslim countries ofc they are safer

[@tinydetour]

That's not always the case but indo and mal is

[@rosdanteh1218]

@@tinydetour which muslim countries not "touched" by USA that are not safe?.. 😂