IS IT ANY GOOD? | DEEP ROCK GALACTIC SURVIVOR

[@FunkyFriesLover]

This would be a fantastic mobile game if it was to ever be released on monile

[@ElMuffin22]

I doubt my phone could handle a haz 3 stage 5 wave tbh it'll insta-fry haha

[@ricodo1244]

Don't think my phone could handle it but it's still early in development so maybe they will optimise more

[@mumblecake251]

I hope they stay clear from the mobile phone market. There just doesn't seem to be a known way to do monetization in a non-predatory way on mobiles. And short of giving it away for free, Ghost Ship would fail to implement a working and fair monetization model or totally wreck their reputation by becoming greedy like Blizzard with Diablo Immortal

[@justacameraman4900]

@@mumblecake251 Don't mistake the lack of games doing something to there not being a known way. So many AAA games have really predatory monetization even after a price tag of $60. Yet here DRG is with an extremely fair way to monetize. Frankly I don't see why a similar monetization plan wouldn't work on mobile games. Its not hard to find reviews of bad apps where people have dropped cash on it, if people are willing to drop cash on bad apps then surely on good ones they will as well. Theres also mobile games with only optional ads, watch ad get xp boost for x amount of time or for x amount of missions. (not saying if drg survivor goes mobile it should do that, just that its much less predatory than majority of mobile game monetization)

[@mumblecake251]

@@justacameraman4900 If Ghost Ship managed to make their formula for non-intrusive monetization work in the mobile space I would be a very happy bunny to be proven wrong. I do think however that it would be very challenging and potentially risky as if they get it wrong they might damage their reputation. I think only time will tell if they will have a go at it. They will probably wait to see if the PC version is a success before committing to any extra development.

[@psyjinx]

5 seconds in and you're mining gold? Unsubbed.

[@corvusaflame713]

IKR?!? What a hypocrite. Kidding. He's a champ.

[@AkarisARG]

LMAO

[@theepicduck6922]

The irony is palpable.

[@ppeez]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Autogyro.001]

Lol at the end. Lots of creative ideas on how it could be improved especially given how many survivor games you've played, and it's great to know you're really enjoying the demo!

[@pyrotius]

Nation Red is a really old survivor-like from 2010, it has 3 ways to progress your perks in a run. Traditional "Pick from the list," a free-for-all where you can pick any perk but you are level capped so you can't get more than like 1/3 of all the perks, and an auto select that randomly picks from a pool of perks you decide on before you start the game - essentially randomly picking one of the perks you like with no duds - which is similar to what you requested in the video so it has been done well before! I wish more survivor-likes used it.

[@generalpacman6414]

4:37 on that, maybe you’ll unlock re-roll cost reduction, get a number of free banishes/re-rolls per run, or have the cost of upgrades with gold and nitra reduced.

[@qing7902]

15:08 Vampire Survivors had these feature in it. When you maxed out on upgrades, it let you autopick all the rewards after that.

[@akkeepo2142]

Regarding the autoupgrade system the Soulstone Survivors implemented it into the game. After you collected all 6 weapons you wanted to collect you can toggle autoupgrade, which picks random ugrades from lvl up. You can also choose whether you want to upgrade at each lvl or just bind a key that opens upgrade menu, so you can stack 10-20 upgrades at once

[@darkehartplays]

Upgrade spam is a real thing. I watched a video the other day of Time Wasters to see if I might enjoy it (and I'm probably going to give it a go on my next paycheck tbh), and that game not only gives you lots of levels at the same time, it allows you to choose when you stop playing to go through your upgrades. I feel like the latter came about as a solution for the frequency with which the gameplay was being stopped for menu clicking.

[@ragreenburg]

The demo is free and the game hasn't been released so no need to wait for your next paycheck. Just an FYI.

[@darkehartplays]

@@ragreenburg I was refering to Time Wasters.

[@Spotcats]

This game should have been named "Karl's Last Stand".

[@Old_Scopes]

Yeah when they call for a swarm. They ain't kidding! I got surrounded by Exploders and died horribly. 11/10 would Deep Rock again!

[@theantgre]

Idk if it already is, but this must get 4 player coop, just like vampire survivors recently got

[@crimsondemon1382]

I don't think it's planned, which is a major part of what is turning me away from DRG Survivor. Now, I could be wrong, maybe they will implement 4-player coop sooner or later, but as of now, the Steam store page says it's single-player, and it might stay that way.

[@RedStar441]

They've already got something solid here. Frankly alot of "Survivor-likes" have always been very slow, put me to sleep alot of the time. DRGS keeps the momentum going the whole time and does not stop. The effectiveness of mining minerals is very welcome too, as it both pockets you valuables and xp to give the run a quick boost. Can't wait for full release now because I can fully expect to see the rest of the classes and their own unique playstyles.

[@yeetyeet486]

I think brotato does it best by having the gamepay section and Then the menu section, where you get to pick all the upgrades you gained and buy all the things you want to then again, experience them in the gameplay section

[@captsnacko]

The creator of VS was inspired by magic survival and I feel like not enough ppl know that, like most ppl think VS was the first of its kind or something

[@Lawfyy]

That's true, but the thing is even BEFORE magic survival, I swear there was an old phone game like many years back that had almost the same system/game mechanic as these survivor games, I just didn't know the game name because I was too young and it was awhile ago couldn't remember the name, but the gameplay is almost similar, you're just in the middle of the desert/nowhere, running around hitting enemies that goes after you and you basically shoot fire out of a wand or sth, and you pick up little upgrades little by little until you're strong enough to fight bigger waves of enemies.

[@p_serdiuk]

​@@Lawfyy Yeah I also remember a similar Flash game with guns where you fight hordes with an entire arsenal. No magic tho. VS just popularized this sub-genre.

[@Lawfyy]

@@p_serdiuk Yea tru, that's interesting that there's a lot of games laying around dead in this genre and the only reason why they never blew up in the first place was because they were never developed further or explored, VS was a good application of understanding the idea and way the game is meant to be played and actually developed to perfection while also remaining cheap and simple as a game to play and enjoy

[@p_serdiuk]

I remembered!!! The granddaddy of this genre I think is Crimsonland. It was a pretty sick game back then.

[@NoraNekos7]

​@@p_serdiukyeah, I think it is. There's also an old Russian (?) game called alien shooter

[@ethant8282]

Dude that end clip was hilarious!

[@benismann]

16:07 What about "auto-select highest rarity"? Then, if u dont care, u could just, idk press enter? and pick it, and if u do care somewhat u could quickly check what it gives

[@daedalus372]

Really looking forward to this game. Appreciate your breakdown, the upgrades and systems need some work but it’s great to see the base gameplay is solid and isn’t a literal clone.

[@kiro-fo9qg]

No gun animations for shooting? Kinda weird that bullets just fly outta your chest.

[@alvisigiuliano6184]

MECHA DWARF

[@d5rickOshay]

Nice video man! I think it's nice to see a decent twist on the genre using a big IP. It's good for the genre. Fingers crossed that its actually a GOOD change when it officially releases. xD

[@dblundz]

Going from the closed beta to this? Excited to see what they due after release

[@acetrigger1337]

It is a very solid spin-off by the looks of it, and as a new fan i am just glad to see the IP expanding.

[@PalpatineGaming]

Im def getting this when it comes out

[@dinen5000]

11:20 still more content than vampire survivors 💀💀💀

[@michaelkolano8686]

honestly, Holocure is generally considered one of the better 'survivor-like' games around, even if you don't care the slightest about the comedian cast

[@Alex_Smith_.]

Honestly if I were making a survivor type of game I would just remove the options of upgrading x stat (its boring to look at) and replace it with giving the player an option to automatically upgrade a single stat every level up and focus more on the upgrades that changes the weapon (given every few levels obviously) that make it act differently (overclocks for example) and focus more on making builds that are unique enough that you can do each run

[@Sanitoeter]

Autopick is not such a good idea. the overclocks come with 6,12,18. It is definitely better to have 2 weapons on 18 than one on 25 and one on 11. With autopick you would no longer have any controls. At a certain level it would of course make sense again. Maybe as an option that you can turn on and off at any time in the level. This way you can increase your weapons in a targeted manner at the beginning and then switch them to automatic later.

[@bigsmoke-theoneandonly-man9787]

Anybody else see the TH-OR Bug Taser or was that just me? That's not a weapon in vanilla DRG for scout, is this potentially a vein for new weapons/grenades, because i've also seen a rotating drone swarm that isn't in Vanilla DRG either (although that is comparable to SSG.)

[@exoplanetarydev]

Yeah, I haven't played the demo but near the end of the video where Axis was scrolling through a bunch of milestones it seems like there's lots of new gear that we haven't seen in DRG before. Hoping some of these will find their way to the main game - always love having some new weapons to toy around with.

[@p_serdiuk]

Yes, GSG mentioned in one of the dev streams that while Survivors is kinda "canon" as in they will try to keep the lore in the game relevant to the overall lore of DRG, some of the weapons in Survivors are going to be exclusive to that game and vice versa, there might be some weapons in DRG that won't make it into Survivors, but if the community really likes certain concepts from Survivors they will see if they can bring them to DRG. (A looot of people including myself bugged them about the Bug Taser)

[@p_serdiuk]

It is also worth mentioning that they have a board game, too, which also somewhat diverges from DRG in bug design and even has a couple of bugs not seen in the base game.

[@bapbop2399]

It would be cool to find a terrain destroying mission like you got drop into a giant bug thats as big as half the planet and you need to destroy a certain amount of terrain to finish the mission much like a morkite mission but you just need to destroy terrain so class like driller/engie will have a better time but also destroy the terrain for kiting/cover

[@ivandagiant]

is "survivor-like" really a genre now? I really hope that isn't the direction we are going with now to describe new games. Rouge-like and souls-like have strayed so far now I don't think they have meaning anymore, and I think it is a poor way to describe games. I'd go with bullet heaven

[@ragreenburg]

I agree with this. Naming a genre based off of a game gives this idea that it should be like that original game and compared to it. So if I release a souls-like then it's immediately compared to Dark Souls (and all their games) but if I release say a first person shooter (not something like a Doom-like/clone) then it's kinda just rated on its own metrics.

[@rudeboyspodcast]

Really good feedback! I agree in that I think the permanent upgrades being all laid out like that is pretty boring and they could do much better. I really dislike "number goes up +5%" as an upgrade, as it doesn't make me feel any more powerful or better equipped than anything unique to the game's mechanics or giving you more things you can do. Also, the "first playthrough is missing mechanics like the minimap or secondary objectives" really ticks me off. I hate when games do that to make you feel weak on the first try or that you're unlocking something that you should have from the very start anyway. With that said, I am really glad to see more games set in this universe, and they're on the right track with this one to make a fun entry in this relatively new genre.

[@Cryoptic_]

i find it funny how so many people compare any survivor game these days to vampire survivors. i feel like i have played so soo many games in my childhood that were all like this. 2D, top down ,start with nothing, get upgrades like a rouguelike and get more and more surrounded by enemies as time goes by. why do everyone say its like vampire survivors as if that game invented the genre? why is no other game mentioned? pure curisoity this is btw, no hate or anything.

[@solarupdraft]

If you have some input on how to get consistent clears, I'm struggling on haz 2 with a decent number of my weapons overclock-able As opposed to haz1, which I can turn my brain off and still beat

[@Vasiliy9hells]

Tried it, but i was turned off by the more basic things. Lack of shooting animations (maybe it's a staple for this kind of games, don't know, don't care, still breaks the immersion) and lack of original sound design. Music is the same and voice lines are the same as in DRG.

[@qwp1884]

That ending was so hilarious lmfao

[@MOAON_AABE]

When does this come out???

[@fritz8096]

Nordic Ashes is a really solid one imo, definitely check it out if you have time

[@stephenhermann3704]

Fun game thus far, even though it's just the Scout playable at the moment. However...no grapple gun mechanic?! This feels like the elephant in the room

[@alululululu]

It took heavy inspiration from Repetendium, not vampire survivors

[@Pjgamerglasses]

Bro gsg PUBLISHING is kinda insane

[@nicholas1173]

Any idea what the pricing will be?

[@khillaelk5367]

this looks fun i’ve not seen this yet tho.

[@Akaromaeda]

yeah the menuing of this genre is really annoying it's why i didn't play any after vampire survivors, the suspense of the gameplay just vanishes the moment you level up. that aside i really like drg:s, and as you said terrain destruction alone carries most of the game, it just feels good to outsmart enemies would love to have this game on mobile as it'd give me something to do to pass time outside sometimes

[@evanrutledge-sz4yo]

Personally, i don’t mind it when a game has a menu to select abilities and stuff like that, but with this game you have no control over when it happens, so the game just randomly pauses.

[@psychoblagger]

how do I download it RAAA 😡

[@anttonkantola7715]

biggest complaint i have is... forced weapon damage change. i get it you wanna test out different damage setups. but what i noticed is it gets too cluttered if i have both plasma,fire,electricity in my selection and then i have too many cards for different damages. + if i started to go for kinetic damages i loose my kinetic damage buffs and i no longer benefit from them... it is frustrating that my +100% kinetic damage then becomes completely obsolete and i cant deny the damage selection... wish i could wait for the next 5 more levels to choose again from bad rolls or have Nitra as a rolling for these as a selection. ive died too many times not realizing my weapons upgraded too much and i cant prevent damage selection anymore.

[@thomac]

Permanent upgrades are boring and pretty plain, but that's fine I guess. Milestones are indeed too many. There's already an unreadable amount with just 2 subclasses. Can't imagine what's going to be with the full game. Hopefully they'll make it so you can filter the list by class, weapon, etc., otherwise it's impossible to know what's in there.

[@defnotsmoj6760]

Never heard calling this genre a "survivor-like" 😂

[@Einsig]

I feel like after grinding a bit to experience overclocks and such, the game is heavily overtuned past hazard 1. You struggle to do anything in hazard 2, enemies have preposterous amounts of HP, the swarm size is insane, guns feel like they do nothing, and most non-kinetic weapons seem like a huge trap. The only consistent build that doesn't feel like you shoot wet paper is a fully kinetic gold-tipped bullets and nitra powder setup and you start hoarding all the gold and nitra in the run. Everything else feels like it takes too much luck to set up. I managed to almost finish with pure electric, but it took too much effort. Status effect damage is practically useless. Electric damage does seemingly nothing, I can't tell if it stacks, and doesn't benefit from any of your other stats as far as I can tell. Getting fire damage requires you to waste an overclock on one of your weapons. Cryo damage doesn't feel like it has any significant slowing effect. Drones are horrible and feel like they hit practically no enemies most of the time. The Boltshark alternates between electric damage and another damage type so I don't know if it actually gets electric bonus damage from your upgrades on every shot. This is a mess.

[@roar104]

the only real competition this has for the survivors games is the hololive one tbh. That one's actually got a lot to it.

[@FackeYu]

hey, lookin' hella cute today.

[@realname2490]

😂 they are rogue likes not survivor like and vampire was by no means the first

[@slingshotwaffles]

Survival likes definitely aren’t the kind of game that I’d play when I go to sit down at my pc to play a game, more like the thing I’d play on my phone or laptop while I’m away and have a bit of down time, but it seems decent enough. I’d definitely be playing the demo if progress saved, but sadly no

[@pucktoad]

i like it

[@benburmeister3428]

Drg mobile edition

[@fibrosis3576]

Lame. Base it on the best coop game ever made and make it single player?

[@ZynastorGaming]

2:50 games with "optional" XP upgrades... 🤮🤮