Is it Morally Right to Claim My Tithe on My Taxes?

[@MsMockingbird06]

I’ve wrestled with it too because I was uncomfortable claiming it on taxes, but at the end of the day the church/ministry is still getting the money. The tax write off doesn’t take the money away from who it’s been given to.

[@paultrosclair1775]

No but it negates what you have done as an act of worship which is the entire point

[@explodingrubberducky797]

@@paultrosclair1775 Exactly. An offering is supposed to cost you something. It no longer becomes an offering when you gain from it financially

[@bennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]

​@@explodingrubberducky797how do you gain from it financially?

[@danielcercel1665]

@@paultrosclair1775no it doesn’t if your doing cause you want to give and not cause you want to save more money only then God knows your heart and sees your doing it to help out where ever your donating. It’s fine to write it off

[@zbennett1720]

Coming from a pastor here, simply do what is LEGAL! God’s honored by this.

[@badaphooko02]

We also tithe on the money we get back after taxes.

[@unwoke1652]

​@@badaphooko02That's not the point. Do what your country's laws prescribe.

[@thomasm5922]

My father gives his 401k money every year to his church because he doesn't need it , but the government makes him pull it out. No one knows about it except his children and maybe the pastor if he hasn't found away to be anonymous about it. We only know about it through casual conversations and my brother the accountant for obvious reasons. If he took the money he would end up paying the tax and giving the rest away or dyeing with it in the bank. He has never tithe as a obligation but as a blessing .

[@DrJaredNelson]

In the end, it boils down to personal/spiritual conviction.

[@rogueskiss3794]

Going to disagree with you. We have to ask and seek God for wisdom bc *AT THE END* we live by His commandments and not our own

[@DrJaredNelson]

@@rogueskiss3794 great perspective! I understand your point of view. Thank you for sharing.

[@DrJaredNelson]

@Jason Ullerich absolutely! Our conviction, in the end, is what drives us to do what we do.

[@samuelramirez4774]

Thank you Isaiah for the great question and thank you Dave for answering it. I asked myself this question a long time ago but never came up with an answer. Today I just happened to stumble across this video, glad I did. God bless you guys.

[@LarsonFamilyFarm-LLC]

I look at it like...by claiming the tithe on taxes allows me more money back to tithe more back to the church....more is more to God.

[@NotShowingOff]

You went from church to god in one sentence. That’s called faith

[@kaycure8629]

@@nicewknd We as Christians believe that EVERYTHING is Gods. Churches need money to pay bills, and more important to share the knowledge of the Lord to others.

[@coltonkerbs7466]

@@nicewknd you just answered your previous question. THAT is why churches need money.

[@kaycure8629]

@@nicewknd Same reason individuals go bankrupt.....poor money handling. More bills than income. People leave churches for many reasons. You would have to ask the individual why they left.

[@kaycure8629]

@@nicewknd As long as we are alive we certainly have NOT mastered wisdom. Not sure where you get your information on people who attend church. Not a perfect person walking the earth right now.

[@mattpalmq]

If you feel bad about it, you can tithe what ever you get back in your tax refund for claiming your tithes.

[@sharky0]

then you get more taxes back, and then have to tithe again, then get more taxes back and have to tithe again, and then get more back and have to tithe again.... echo... echo... echo...

[@jessewilson-music]

@@sharky0 Which is totally fine because you still keep 90% of the refund and you don't deduct your giving again for another year. It's not as you made it seem. It's once, annually. Pretty simple.

[@2bituser569]

@@jessewilson-music A refund is not income to be taxed or tithed on again. Refunds or deductions that allow a refund is money that should have always been there but was an over payment. Be like paying tithe on getting a refund for over payment at Walmart or something

[@jessewilson-music]

@@2bituser569 yes, you're totally correct. That refund should actually already be tithed on, if you're tithing from your gross income. I personally choose to tithe extra or give to other areas regardless of the method of my increase. Personal decision.

[@Faith-un7ns]

Good idea 💡

[@vasilstanev4234]

I have never heard it so simple and freeing: "You don't get a vote in my life". I am surely keeping this gold nugget in my word bank!

[@L3ttuc3]

I used to feel icky about writing off charitable donations on my taxes, but a clever friend explained it to me like this one day when I mentioned it. The tax write off is just the only way you have as a tax payer to dictate what the government does with some of your tax money. You're going to pay the taxes either way, and that write off is just a way of forcing the government to spend part of your income tax on something you believe in instead of just whatever they want. When I think about it this way it makes a lot of sense to me. I would rather see my tax money go to help people down on their luck or to the ASPCA instead of on bonuses or defense spending. And this is just the one tool I have at my disposal to direct SOME of that money. So in that sense you're still paying the charity, it's not that you aren't paying because you got it back, you're just paying out of the taxes you pay instead of your personal checking account. I encourage everyone to donate as much as you can and claim as much of it as you can in most circumstances. The government is going to squander the money mostly anyway, so use this opportunity to prevent them from squandering at least some of the money you give them. And force them to help a cause you believe in at the same time. The more I think about it, if it's done with good intentions I don't personally think claiming donations on taxes is in any way morally questionable. This makes perfect sense to me now. So by all means, do everything you can to help guide the government into using your money responsibly. Hope maybe this helps someone out there.

[@deomartinez77]

It did. Your comment helped me.

[@paultrosclair1775]

Should have stuck with feeling icky

[@andrewbaker4652]

Just deduct it and donate the savings to another charity. Problem solved.

[@Miranox2]

Most charities are not good managers either. Unless I personally know the people who manage the charity as being honest, I would hesitate to give anything.

[@MutantSkipper]

@@Miranox2 check your heart bro.

[@staceystrukel1917]

@@MutantSkipper too bad that's the truth. Find someone in your community that actually needs help and help them. That's what Jesus taught. Jesus did not teach to give to corrupt organizations and alot of the time its a church.

[@richardprior5139]

Claim the tithe on your taxes, and tithe the refund, if any

[@garrett21]

Church’s can be just as bad with money as the government. Make sure you’re not giving to a wasteful one

[@aaronsatko3642]

At least tithing to the church is a choice.

[@Free_ThePeople]

That’s why being involved in your church is important.

[@ememman1460]

@@Free_ThePeople good point

[@inspirationalnomad]

@@Free_ThePeople even if your involved I doubt you see the financial statements and I highly doubt you have those financial statements audited by an independent accounting firm every 3 years

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

you better donate to the church so Kenneth Copeland doesn't have to fly on a public flight with all the doped up demons. that dude is a scammer of the highest tier.

[@lowercherty]

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, render unto the Lord that which is the Lord's, or words to that effect. If Caesar lets me deduct what I gave to the Lord, I have no problem doing it.

[@willmallory9085]

Amen!

[@MrKijana23]

This is so funnily expressed😂😂😂 Love it!

[@tall14dude]

Took the words out of my mouth 😄

[@AussieZeKieL]

Well said haha

[@matthewgarcia2119]

@Toynbee Yonkers no it wasn't. he was directly responding to the question: is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? the answer that follows "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." means give to Caesar his image stamped upon his coin, and give to God his own image stamped upon you.

[@DebtFreeDad]

This is the first year I haven't missed a tithes ever. I'm proud of that.

[@ericcanales7528]

What a blessing!! Our family as well

[@DebtFreeDad]

@@ericcanales7528 💪🏾

[@JordaniCarter]

Keep up the great work!

[@DebtFreeDad]

@@JordaniCarter thanks

[@HandlesAreForTools]

Ah, pride.

[@mohamedelhefyan2146]

This was such a good question

[@itinerantrebel1799]

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. If you don’t write it off/claim it as a deduction you’re rendering more to Caesar than is Caesar’s.

[@peanutoreo8052]

That is a good point. I never thought of it that way.

[@vickieturner8688]

Good show. I struggled with this issue, as well. After much prayer and speaking with others, I finally came up with the same answer as you described.

[@jessewilson-music]

Hogan's gotta be the most encouraging person on the planet! Love this guy's active listening. lol

[@peterfox7663]

Why in the world would someone have qualms about taking a legal tax deduction?

[@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303]

I do not think it is a tax deduction is it?

[@peterfox7663]

@@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 charitable giving can be a deduction, yes

[@joeb1522]

@@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303 Yes, it is a tax deduction if you itemize deductions under section 170 of the internal revenue code.

[@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303]

@@joeb1522 Oh

[@sheila3936]

Maybe it feels wrong taking a deduction when you know the side receiving the income isn’t paying taxes on said income. Both he and the church benefit and the “losers” are users of programs etc funded by government/tax dollars. The giving could be reward enough without the deduction.

[@davidchester429]

It's immoral to take the amount of tax they do

[@royalprincess9499]

I encourage everyone today to pay their tithes I promise you If you do so with a joyful heart God will bless you in abundance..

[@royalprincess9499]

@@nicewknd no my dear God always blessing me in abundance..

[@EastCoastReefer]

Great answer Dave. This generous gentleman will do more good with the money than Uncle Sam.

[@preston0808]

I don't really understand this question. You donate $1,000 then get, say, a $250 tax break for it... you're still down $750. No one's coming out ahead by giving money away. Also, if you don't take every tax break allowed by law, then you're just donating to the government.

[@Christimony222]

Exactly

[@noahpickerill3749]

Exactly

[@empresslonnie1love391]

I love how Dave talks bout the Government 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tristanhnl]

I want to address the misconception that "tithing" is a requirement for the modern grace-era church period Christian (the way most Christians understand tithing, anyway). In order to know what "tithing" is, we need to look at it's biblical context. God first gave the mandate of tithing to the Israelites in Numbers ch 18. Why the 10% for the Israelites? Because the levitical tribe was dedicated to doing the priestly work of God, and did not have as many resources/income as the other tribes. The other 11 tribes were assigned an allotted chunk of land, and the levites weren't. The levites had their own private homes and a bit of land and livestock, but otherwise their resources were limited. That's why the other tribes had to chip in to support the levites. And of course, the work of God itself (maintaining the tabernacle, sacrificial livestock) needed resources. That's where the 10% requirement came from. It was for the Israelites in old testament days, not for us. Our reading and understanding of scripture should *always* be in context. So what do we as Christians today need to do regarding giving back to God? The key is found in 2nd Corinthians 9:6-7, "Remember this-a farmer who plants only a few seeds will get a small crop. But the one who plants generously will get a generous crop. *You must each decide in your heart how much to give.* And don’t give reluctantly or in response to pressure. For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.” (NLT) That's the gist of it. Your tithes should be an extension of your worship. If you give your 10% because you think you HAVE to, and you subsequently do it grudgingly, thinking "man, I got my mortgage, bills, car payment, and bills....and now God is taking this 10% from me? Argh...." If you think like that, God is telling you, "go ahead and keep your money then! It's not worshipful, it's not done with the right motive, attitude, and heart. Keep your money, I don't need it". And it's true....God doesn't "need" our money....He's God! Our giving should be out of a grateful, appreciative and worshipful heart. We should give because we *WANT* to give. So whatever you choose to give to God, give it cheerfully, knowing that everything we have comes from God, and it's not really our money to begin with. Be a good steward, and honour God not only with our giving, as we ought to do in every area of our lives.

[@dillonvandergriff4124]

Tithe actually means tenth and there were 3 tithes required by law. So the levites were actually getting chipped more like 30%. Good comment though!

[@shola7987]

It's not going straight to God tho it's going to the church. And parishioners are supposed to trust the church to manage their donations. The church is ran by humans. I think it's ok to donate ur time and money outside the church if that's what you want to do also. But then you will get side eyed at the church so there is pressure there which is not totally of a worshipful heart.

[@tristanhnl]

@@shola7987 , that shouldn't really matter much though. Whatever you choose to give to God in faith, He will honour that. If a church mismanages the money, then *they* will have to answer to God. We just do what we are called to do, and the church elders will do what they are called to do. Like with everything in life, there is delegation and structure. Naturally, if church funds are somehow squandered frivolously in some way, they need to be held accountable. However, the mentality of looking at the church with a suspicious eye (and subsequently not giving), is not the right thing to do. Again, just be faithful. In evangelism, we are called to sow the seed, not make it grow. I believe the same thing is true in the matter of giving. If you're in a Bible-believing church, they will not be perfect *BUT* they will in general, be seeking the Holy Spirit's guidance and use the money as God sees fit. As for giving outside the church, that is entirely plausible. For myself personally, I give a large portion to two causes dear to my heart: Voice of the Martyrs, and a local pregnancy care and counselling centre which helps needy families who are expecting and doubtful (considering abortion). As long as you are giving to the work of God, I believe God honours that. Having said that, if you are plugged in to a local church, I believe one should still give a portion to them, for the fact that it does require funds to run. If you are blessed and growing in a church, and yet are not willing to give something back to that location....well, that speaks of that person's heart, doesn't it?

[@shola7987]

@@tristanhnl ok I hear you

[@brianpitsilides5337]

Giving tithe for the tax break is like getting a credit card for the free miles. what’s immoral is for the government to steal 35% of my income.

[@yogiSan]

Hah.. great point.

[@marcusj1167]

Exactly

[@kams5629]

Well tithing for tax breaks is dumb to begin with. That’s not the reason for it. It’s to give. But credit cards for miles is not the same. Especially if you don’t spend more because of it.

[@illmatic33]

Exactly!!!

[@Teleios116]

65% once Biden takes over

[@jesscuc]

Wow, I’ve never thought of this. I always add it to my taxes without a thought. What I do question is whether to tithe from the tax refund.

[@MoriahChatman]

If you already tithe on your gross income then that's not necessary. But also strive to never get a refund - it's just lending the government money interest free.

[@alwynjohn-thesimpleinvesto4730]

I love all your advice and appreciate your hard work, truly an inspiration to all!!

[@marcusj1167]

Here’s the thing taxes are your money. So yea, try and get as much of it back as you can

[@wlonsdale1]

None if its your money. Its all Gods money

[@xFD2x]

No, taxes is the money you are due .... so, not your money.

[@coffeeonkeyboard1810]

some might say, taxation is theft. so, why enable the thief? also, the tax form is soliciting your total amount of charitable contribution, just as it solicits total amt of income, not partial.

[@sophieinspires]

Dave is smart but also a good man of God God bless you Dave!

[@harmanjotsingh4230]

In high school, the most influential teacher I had, told us that to accumulate, amass, and protect as much wealth as possible is the foremost priority of a citizen so they dont depend/rely on govt, and are free from making decisions based on politicians promises and as a bonus, dont end up being another burden on American taxpayers and not spoil Uncle Sam

[@craigcarter400]

I agree. If you are doing it for the right reasons then good on you. If you aren’t it is bad math/ROI if your heart isn’t in the right place.

[@matthewgarcia2119]

Help me with this. Your taxes is determined by your income. (I'm going to use Texas taxes because that's where I'm from) If you make 200k a year, your taxes is going be around 40k but if your tithe (10%) is 20k then after your write off your going to be taxed at 180k so your save about 5k in taxes. I don't see why there is an issue claiming it because that 20k didn't stay in your bank account and you didn't use it. In other words, if you don't write it off to save the 5k , your essentially paying to tithe! If your really feel bad about it then still write it off and the tax saving just pass that to your church but I don't see a reason that you wouldn't write it off.

[@Mosesusorer]

Tithes and taxes aside, is this guy’s name Joe or Isaiah?

[@ExNihiloComesNothing]

Josiah

[@somecallmetim46]

@@ExNihiloComesNothing what a plot twist

[@rainewells7628]

I remember many years ago Larry Burkett answered this question. He said that he would rather throw his money in a hole than give it to the government.

[@nelsoneverest1660]

Great video, like always

[@chrisyella7238]

So true

[@tonywilliamson2082]

Very engaging video from beginning to end apparently my view on the solution is to venture into business

[@greenfred2254]

My investments in stock and Gold are really given the current increase.

[@scottkevin3468]

Mr Frank Robin has changed my financial status for the best.

[@helenalevi2049]

I'm definitely voting Robin to retain his place cause my investments flourished during his regime

[@Eyore82]

I absolutely agree. We give our tithe to God and the church. Not the government. They already took taxes on the money. I'll gladly take it back from the government.

[@deidramyers]

I respect Uncle Dave for sharing his platform so I can have a chance to see a POC on the taboo topic of finance. Especially now during the holidays where I was reminded this family we don't discuss finances or spirituality. Why?? I learned they feel its the quickest way to an argument. Personally I don't understand how it's a debate or argument discussing finances . In my experience it's only people who don't men use their money well/in debt/ lustful of others lifestyles who don't discuss it because it means they have to look in the mirror to figure out why it's uncomfortable. From listening to the show I learned it makes you look good so maybe they are comfortable! I pray for them every day because that's a major burden to bear living for the likes of other people instead of the creator. I love the way how Mr. Hogan says his interjections of agreement "yup" "that right " New Subbie 🥰

[@MJ-vm6ht]

This was super helpful. Proverbs 12:15

[@jimeddleman8511]

the heart and stewardship are the issues. Great job, Dave.

[@AccidentalHiker1]

Take the taxes deduction. Remember church are tax exempt.

[@regul8or71]

I’m not a legal/tax expert, but I believe they offer the deduction because they are legally required to. True generosity generally means that we expect nothing in return - otherwise it’s a transaction and not true generosity. . This is a general statement, I’m not saying it applies to every single situation. I remember a few years ago I quit taking the deduction because I was doing it for the wrong reasons. I was wanting more money back for myself, due to fear and greed. I took an objective look at myself (which is tough to do sometimes) and realized that this was the case. God doesn’t need our money. But He wants our hearts and our full trust. However, as Dave stated and others mentioned, taking the write-off and re-donating the money elsewhere might be a more reasonable/responsible thing to do. Ultimately it comes down to our motives. Cheers! 👍

[@APennyPinchersGuide]

I always do, I don't see any argument as to why you shouldn't claim the deduction

[@marissamcafee6442]

When I was a part of a church, I’m not going to name it, we tithes weekly and have to our third world churches and benevolence. Back in 2018 I gave a little over $5,000. My total income for the year was a little over $12,000 because I was only working part time. I was stunned. The thing with this church is that the tithe would be increased two times a year and I was even told to eat oatmeal three times a day just so I can make my tithe. So just saying be careful which church you attend...some are just expensive. Also my tax preparer said I would have had to give $12,000 for my to get any benefit on my taxes.

[@joy4evamore813]

Absolutely not

[@joy4evamore813]

That’s crazy.

[@ipodtouch470]

Raising the tithing? Bro isn’t tithing 10 percent flat at all churches that practice tithing?

[@marissamcafee6442]

Hi Jesus, to answer your question the church I was involved in increased the tithe because tithing was how these leaders got paid. I wasn't part of a large church but when the missionaries were sent out to other states or even outside of the country we would tithe more or give more to raise more for the mission team. Over a period of time the tithing started to become different. I wasn't aware that they would increase the tithe offerings. At one point I said this is going to get too expensive for me and one of my leaders said well maybe you can spend a little money to make cupcakes and go around and ask for donations and in return for someone's donations they would get a cupcake. That was one way they would "tell us" where to put our money. At one point the church leader said if we couldn't afford to live in the area and increase our tithe then we didn't have a "real job". There was a question that we were all asked, " Are you sacrificing souls to save money or are you sacrificing money to save souls?" Long story short I am not sure how the church I was a part brought people closer to God. After spending the amount of time I spent with that church I didn't believe in what they were preaching to us and things just got weird. There are a lot of churches that say tithing is mandatory and there a lot of churches that say tithing is optional. But the one thing they all have in common is that they think their church is the "right church" and every other church is wrong.

[@ipodtouch470]

@@marissamcafee6442 it sounds like your church went rogue went it came to tithing then. Tithing is only supposed to be 10 percent anything else and that wouldn’t be tithing anymore. It would just be a donation to the church.

[@HeatherDMorris]

I was wondering this to night and was going to start paying tithes regardless . I realized tonight I spend alot of money on dog treats and just whatever and havent been paying tithes . I needed to hear this . I wasn't being selfish by not paying taxes on the tithes I wasn't paying the tithes. Thank for the video. Got some changes to make !

[@peanutoreo8052]

When I had my basset hounds, I was very guilty of spending too much money on dog treats, but I would do it again anyway 😁.

[@michaelwoods4495]

From Michael D. Woods, CPA--you and I don't enact the tax laws, we need only comply with them. Here are famous tax quotes from Judge Learned Hand: Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes. Gregory v. Helvering, 69 F.2d 809, 810 (2d Cir. 1934) Over and over again courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging one's affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everybody does so, rich or poor; and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands: taxes are enforced exactions, not voluntary contributions. To demand more in the name of morals is mere cant. Commissioner v. Newman, 159 F.2d 848, 851 (2d Cir. 1947) - dissenting opinion Also, doing anything for a tax deduction makes it a little easier, but you're still out of a good bit of what you gave. Even if your tax rate is as high as 30%, the contribution stills costs you the other 70%.

[@d6joe]

I find it funny that there are credit card ads before your content.

[@yeshuathechrist5213]

10% is old testament. God loves a cheerful giver what ever you purpose in your heart

[@sandrateer1994]

Give generously as you have been profited.

[@camerancarljacques]

Dave - Thanks for a great video. Keep fielding the spiritual questions for us 👍🏼

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

YES IT IS Claim tithes Claim DONATIONS CLAIM EVERYTHING CLAIMABLE

[@armandol1826]

Says the guy who leases his cars lol

[@Vhc706]

People usually tithe based on percentage of income, so using the tax deduction allows you to tithe off your gross income rather than adjusted. For example, you can tithe 7.5k normally. But using deductions, you might be able to tithe 10k.

[@CaseyBurnsInvesting]

I mean... what we should be asking is, is it moral to rob Peter to pay Paul in the first place? Is what your tax dollars would’ve gone towards moral and the Way they’re acquired moral? That’s the real question.

[@illmatic33]

I'm paying a lot of paul's bro lol

[@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303]

It is wrong to rob Peter without paying him back. I plan to pay Peter back.

[@MichaelSamulak]

I would agree with Dave’s first and primary point: This point of, where your heart is, Needs to be settled first before the Lord. Do your hands have amnesia ... or are you trying to get your name on a building? I would also add, because it matters so much with those whose hearts are in the right place in this matter - Please know that you are NOT writing off the actual Tithe...but only the TAXES you pay on that Tithe. It’s not like you get that Tithe money back; at best you may pay less taxes to the government on your overall earned income for that year. I think this latter point is actually where most people are coming from with this question.

[@donnaerickson3059]

I’ve never thought about that. Interesting.

[@GabrielHernandez-zf2ys]

Still waiting for Dave to be a spokesperson for Domino's

[@lewistillett206]

This joke went right over my head

[@bryangreive9883]

I don’t get it

[@johnthicks8568]

Is it morally acceptable to pay less money to thieves and criminals? Absolutely.

[@madarchermoto4955]

Yes it is morally right to claim tithing in your taxes, especially considering the fact that your helping the church keep their lights on and there’s millions of Americans living off the government and living off the money you’re already paying in taxes.

[@9liveslisa]

Excellent discussion!

[@a.i.f.k.2273]

Good one. Thsnks for this. I have sometimes wondered about this, especially coming from nation where the government is not organized in a way that give option to citizens to claim anything( so far less tithes or donation). So being a christian there and tithing, the thought never cross my mind, as something that could even be linked to tax reduction as it is the case in Western countries. Good question really, and thanks for the answer D.R. Shalom

[@alwynjohn-thesimpleinvesto4730]

Great content Dave. Keep it up!!

[@Daphoenix1133]

Just put the tax write off back into the church if you're struggling with that my dude. I may not be a Christian but still I agree with Dave, pay as little in taxes as the law allows

[@AuthenticallyTee]

I never wrestled with it. I use the tax write off I get and give it back to the church. I don’t believe in giving the govt “extra” money.

[@noahpickerill3749]

No fr especially with how they’re using it

[@Xballoway]

You better preach Uncle Dave

[@chrisvinci5417]

of course you should claim it. why would you give extra tax money to useless politicians?

[@Meow_Ag47]

If you're worried take the write off on taxes and give the difference to the church.

[@teresabearden5168]

They don’t allow it for tax write off

[@diamendipity]

I've been thinking about this for about year or so now, it pops up and I'm just like NO because I'm doing it for God to bless me supernaturally and not looking at the natural aspect of it and now I'm it's like well its kinda dumb to not take advantage of claiming something on my taxes and giving them more money than they should have from me, which in turn is taking away from my house naturally. Kinda like the man who. turned down the boats and the helicopter but still asking God for help! I love your advice!!!!!!

[@unwoke1652]

Taxation laws differ from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Many countries, states or provinces may have their own taxation regiment. In South Africa 🇿🇦, it would be a criminal offence to claim tithing against your tax returns. I know; I am a former tax auditor. My question: do you want to be blessed before, or after tax? 😊

[@jday3671]

Needed this!

[@87knox]

I don't understand the concept of tithing for the purpose of getting a tax write-off. Do you have more money in your pocket at the end of the day if you tithe and write it off? I thought write-offs reduced your income, and therefore reduced your tax bill, but only pro-rated by your tax rate - so when you donate to charity and write it off, the end result is as if your income pre-tax were reduced by the amount of the donation - both in terms of take-home pay and how much tax you pay.

[@Cheo.M]

Should I pay tithing while I am trying to pay off debts?

[@noahpickerill3749]

No seriously people are legalistic. I’m still trying to read that in the Bible for myself

[@teresabearden5168]

I paid in over 5000$ they didn’t use it as a tax write off

[@Ender-Corbin]

Nope, never have never will. The government doesn't need to what is given to the church.

[@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303]

You have to report ALL your income anyway (except cash, which I still report). So the tithe money is already taxed.

[@andrewbaker4652]

Churches should be taxed just like a normal business as they operate just like them. You can't honestly look at things like mega churches and their priests who buy a second private plane, or churches like the one I grew up in that are landlords for many of the surrounding businesses and go "yep definitely a good use of charitable contributions". That money would be better off in the governments hands or a good non faith based charity, just keep it away from greedy priests.

[@arjund.4817]

Churches should be taxed like a business since it's not like they do any great charity all the time. Unless they can provide proof of charitable work on a consistent basis, they should face the tax

[@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303]

@@andrewbaker4652 No, I do not think churches should be taxed because more than likely all the people donating are taxed as well. People need the money, should always be getting tax breaks and businesses should be subjected to a high fluctuating tax. I think the only tax a church would need to pay (okay, so I am writing that they should be taxed) would be the very property they are on.

[@rosegroshek1218]

@@andrewbaker4652 first, there are NO mega churches with priests. Priests are catholic. Mega churches have pastors. So first get your info straight. Mega churches should not be grouped with actual small churches who don’t make a profit off anything

[@jasonk8793]

If you can claim your ministry donation on your taxes, therefore they don't get to tax you on your donation portion, so effectively you were able to give to God before the government was able to take there's, which is a concept I love.

[@Nitty1st]

I Needed to hear this 💪🏾🙏🏽

[@Corpsecreate]

Dave's logic here was surprisingly sound for once! Kudos!

[@ws775]

Boy! That's getting legalistic!

[@21truthbetold]

Unless your tithing $13850 your can’t deduct it anyways. It’s very hard to reach the deductions.

[@willmallory9085]

You're giving with the right intentions, if Uncle Sam wants to bless you for obedience, what's wrong with that?

[@justinacase2623]

Two TV preachers were at a bar one night discussing how much they raked in. One asked, how do you figure out how much to give back to the church. First one said, I take all the money put a tape line on the floor throw it in the air, one side is mine the other belongs to the church. The other guy said, I throw mine up in the air, what God catches is his, the rest mine.

[@Bornagainroger]

Proof?

[@justinacase2623]

@@Bornagainroger Try it and see for yourself

[@Bornagainroger]

@@justinacase2623 source : trust me bro

[@RavensHardCore]

Awesome video and super helpful! Thank you! 😊

[@rebekahsummers4953]

Then wouldn’t you tithe the tax write off?

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

I used to think it was nuts watching my mom put $ ever week in the little basket when she would force me to go to church. I can't even fathom giving away 10% of my money. Imagine if you stopped tithing and put that 10% in investments/retirement. Unless if God is going to pay your bills when you are retired.

[@arjund.4817]

This^ I understand Ramsey is religious and all, but really, if you stopped tithing and instead used the money to improve your life, one could have a couple extra hundred-thousand dollars.

[@daveharness70]

@@arjund.4817 The lost do think that way. Giving changes your heart..it is one of the biggest part of transformation in following Christ in America. You are correct with numbers...but Jesus says to love your neighbor. Give it to those who need it...the church is responsible for the care of the less fortunate. If you can't find a church like that...give it away yourself. Give sacrificially. Your heart will change for the better and your eyes will be opened. God bless you.

[@originalcontent210]

@@arjund.4817 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and decay destroy, and thieves break in and steal. But store up treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor decay destroys, nor thieves break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there also will your heart be.” Matthew 6:19-21

[@Vhc706]

You're tithing more for what it does for you, and less for what it does for the church

[@1.5Koreans0.5American]

Thank you for sharing

[@89TNash]

I think it should be okay because churches get a write off. Why would it not be okay to write off?

[@lesabri]

because you are using the government monies that everyone contributed to get money back of which one said they were given up to the church freely.

[@gatewaysolo104]

@@lesabri it's not the government's money. It's your money that you overpaid to the government.

[@lesabri]

@@gatewaysolo104 yes, i said it is everyone's monies. It's not that the government is involed it's the the tithe is supposed to be a sacrifice for the individual, as I understand it.

[@89TNash]

@@lesabri yeah I mea. If churches get write off we should too.

[@flisfinance5680]

This seems like a personal decision

[@johnsalais2242]

Hey Dave great advice. I have a question as to what point is enough $ to claim those taxes?

[@peterfox7663]

It's different for everyone. Compare your itemized deductions to the Standard Deduction.

[@johnrodebaugh7120]

Excellent advice Dave as always.

[@HandlesAreForTools]

There is no requirement to tithe. If there is/was, what is the penalty? Also, when you tithe to a MEGACHURCH, what are you tithing to? MILLIONAIRES.

[@sblijheid]

Tithing is a requirement. Malachi 3:8-12 8. Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. 11. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. 12. And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.

[@HandlesAreForTools]

@@sblijheid yeah, a requirement for the OLD TESTAMENT. Christ PUT AN END TO THE LAW.

[@aeseljamesloreto8061]

Does it mean that what you "get" on that tax write off should be given as an offering to the church?

[@hankfuchs8405]

Wow what a great question. I wonder this evening Sunday

[@Simplypallets]

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"- Matthew 22:21 If Caesar setup a system that you can use to lower your tax burden via a Godly Act (tithing), do so.

[@KnowArt]

I thought this was about whether or not taxes would count as tithing... could make sense, right? It's (in theory at least) for the the greater good.

[@sblijheid]

No, that's not what he's asked. He asked if it was spiritually okay to deduct the money he tithed to his church from his taxes. That's a no. I disagree with Dave here and the reason is very logical. If I give you $100 and then go ahead and take that $100 back from the government in the form of a deduction, then the government gave you that $100. If the Lord was supposed to bless me because I gave you $100, he will withhold that blessing, because technically, I never gave you anything.

[@gatewaysolo104]

Taxes are not tithes. Tithing and giving is something you do out of the goodness of your heart not because the law states you must pay the government.

[@barvdw]

I slipped from my belief years ago. The recognised religions will get money from the state where I live (one of Napoleon's legacies, older churches aren't owned by the Church, either, but are at their disposal), so I do pay for religion through my taxes, but I do not tithe. Recognised charities can give tax deductions too, and I will enter them in my tax return, but it will be a reason to increase my giving to said charity.

[@williamlackey123]

Clicked immediately to hear this perspective

[@kentlane8269]

It’s actually a tax code allowance so please take it .

[@noahpickerill3749]

Fr it’s Good allowing it for us so why not take it.

[@tamaramccaskill]

I love your answer to this question!!! God Bless.

[@creaturecore13]

It is not morally acceptable to get tax deductions for donating to a scam that does not open their books to where the money goes. If you are dumb enough to donate to something that's a load of bs, you threw away your money. You dont deserve a break for that.

[@gatewaysolo104]

You must not be familiar with how a church works. A church has a written budget that is reviewed and voted on by the council and congregation. The pastors and staff are paid a fixed amount per the budget and they get taxed like any other person does.

[@IkaikaArnado]

It's good. I'd do it specifically for the tax write off, but I also don't believe in giving money to charity, because most of that money goes to operational cost. If you truly want to be charitable than donate your physical self and time through community service.

[@yogiSan]

My limited understanding: Taxable income is income that can be spent or reinvested by the taxpayer. Since you are giving away money, this money is not spent or reinvested, thereby not taxable income. I treat this as: I was supposed to get $500,000 but I only got $450,000 (500,000 * 0.90) - therefore the government can only tax me on my true income of $450,000. There is no moral issue here with this understanding.

[@jamesk8891]

I think it is but we don’t generally pay tithes in UK as evangelical/ baptist churches are not that big over here. Makes more sense to donate via write off though.