Is it Possible to Beat Sonic Heroes Without Sonic?

[@peucoman]

Alternative answer: switch to teams Dark, Rose, or Chaotix

[@Mr.Miniguy]

ikr

[@HenryLauraTeam]

Doesn't change much though.

[@redgamer2163]

´kk

[@peachymiku6432]

@@HenryLauraTeam True, but the title of the video and the challenge specifically states Sonic. And last I checked, Shadow, Amy and Espio are not Sonic.

[@Kaal_do_Olaak]

That's what I thought on the last one

[@finalshade8592]

Sonic: What is my purpose. Tails and Knuckles: You use the tornado. Sonic: Oh my god..

[@weshuiz1325]

only 2000 IQ people get this joke

[@freeziboi3249]

Tails and Knuckles: Yeah welcome to the club.

[@DanteJ1s]

Rick the Mortyhog

[@Wrench-007]

@@weshuiz1325 I don't even play the game and I got it.

[@zendpixie]

@@weshuiz1325 hfdjkghsj i'm still trying to figure out the origin of this meme - is it that one commercial abt a tiny tabletop helper-bot?? One of the interactions in that ad are the same

[@Jess-I-Guess]

Anyone: Can you beat Sonic Heroes without Sonic? He doesn't actually have many unique abili-- Tornado Poles: I'm gonna have to stop you right there

[@dragobane4728]

Hang Castel: Laughs in victory

[@kevinvu5432]

And floating rings....and handle bars...

[@NobleS1236]

@@kevinvu5432 and triangle jumps.

[@nekonomicon2983]

And flowers

[@goombafang3210]

also, if the helicopter propeller wasnt in egg fleet, the part where you destroy a blue egg ship requires sonic's rocket blast technique.

[@Gammactic]

"You might be surprised on how vital sonic is to beat this game" Yes, sonic is needed in sonic heroes.

[@burnttoast6974]

people die when they are killed

[@chelle2469]

Every 60 seconds in africa, a minute passes.

[@nonameneeded2943]

When you are sleeping, you aren't awake

[@yellowmello1223]

The horror game is scary.

[@ablack9516]

When it rains, there is some water.

[@esperderek5383]

There's something amusing about the fact that the thing that trips this run up is being needed for vertical ascents when he's the only one of the three that doesn't fly, glide, or climb.

[@Clarkamadorian]

It’s almost annoying, sort of

[@elisabethsun7059]

Yep

[@robertanderson9447]

Tails: "But then we got stuck in the city so Eggman got away..." Sonic: "What tripped you up?" Knuckles: "There was this really tall pole, and... yeah that wasn't happening." Sonic: "... You-- You guys. What the hell are you talking about? You can climb walls, can't you?" Knuckles: "I can climb what now?" Sonic: "Oh for the love of-- Fine, I'll go with you." And then the actual game started.

[@ethanford2466]

You just reminded me he can do that

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

"SEGA nerfed me Sonic...that and half of the poles lack walls."

[@Superluigi881]

*years later in Sonic 06* Knuckles: Oh right walls, I can climb those can't I. Sonic: ... Knuckles: Uh Sonic... I can't get down... Sonic: You're an idiot... Just jump off the wall! Knuckles: That's what I'm trying to do!!

[@connorschultz380]

@@Superluigi881 the code:..my plan is moving forward... one down, 3 to go.

[@jennytulls6369]

Sonic: "Tails, can't you just fly up?" Tails: "Well, yes, but I can'y fly high enough" Sonic: "Don't you have multiple planes? Why are you even running through the city in the first place?"

[@zebrasharkbbb]

Aw yes, my favorite game, Heroes.

[@samirjohnson4524]

And Knuckles

[@ABC-ik9vj]

@@samirjohnson4524 it's called: Heroes special and gold version and knuckles

[@ShadowtheYouTuber523]

Y

[@mailman019]

Shadow the KZbinr Y Not? & Knuckles

[@flyforce16]

@@samirjohnson4524 New Funky Mode!

[@DJTileTurnip]

Sonic: >Only Used Yesterday< Today: >No Sonic< Sonic: We've been tricked, backstabbed, and quite possibly, bamboozled

[@awesomeness1122]

How to beat the game without sonic Me an intellectual : Chooses team dark.

[@techno_jokester]

Big brain time.

[@agoodname6997]

Do team chaotix

[@solanumtuberosum7769]

Awesomeness11 "Team Faker"

[@foxyfan6667]

Team rose

[@Sad-Lesbian]

Pros: not having to use Sonic, or having to listen to Big/Charmy Cons: the atrocious level design of Team Dark

[@kaned2005]

I’ll wait for another episode of Sonic Heroes without any characters so I can say “It’s now called ____ ____

[@howisthis8849]

Now it's called place holder

[@Mari-hp4tl]

Not Sonic Heroes

[@Bro-cx2jc]

"Can you beat Sonic Heroes using only "

[@jennytulls6369]

"..." "..." "Bind you, confine you, defying your reign"

[@birdbird749]

Last time: “sonic hero” This time: “heroes” Next time: “hero” Next next time: “”

[@moonshatter785]

Read this in a Dragonball z narrator voice

[@cosmicmemelord]

@@moonshatter785 *slow clap*

[@moonshatter785]

@@cosmicmemelord thank you ig

[@ninjayoshi8020]

Next next next time: " Next next next next time:

[@davidthecommenter]

next time: *_sonic_*

[@JahnLemus]

Sega: Here’s a sonic game With Sonic He is in the game for almost the whole thing But you can’t play as him

[@khit007]

2 minutes in.... Nope.

[@demarkus4566]

That's just shadow the hedgehog

[@ABC-ik9vj]

Seems accurate

[@samsundertail6564]

And Tails Adventure,Tails Skypatrol,Tails and the Music Maker and Knuckles Chaotixs

[@SemenSlurry]

Chaotix

[@Speedinkling]

An interesting way of playing this game. Never actually really thought about playing this game without Sonic

[@aston514]

1st

[@blitz4168]

How did you comment 23 hours ago

[@SudsyDiamond]

@InfiniteGamer 4307 Because he’s a member.

[@cubriffic172]

I used to play without sonic as a kid most of the time bc he was too fast for little four year old me to manage lmao

[@Swagmaster-oq2yw]

@@aston514 who cares

[@StarTheTripleDevil]

Kind of ironic how pretty much all the advantages the speed type gives are based on getting past long distances/heights, which sounds like something the fly type should be able to handle.

[@kennethboozer6148]

True all the things they couldn’t pass was the speed character using something to go long distances

[@ElectroBlastLuigi]

*First we have **_Sonic just Sonic,_** then **_Heroes,_** sooner or later, we'll have only **_Tails Heroes._*

[@ElectroBlastLuigi]

@Retro Boy 12 So true, I was never able to beat it. Team Rose was a breeze.

[@kristaslips9556]

Heroes *and Knuckles*

[@spyrooooo8601]

@@kristaslips9556 &KNUCKLES

[@paxgallery6646]

Tails heroes and knuckles

[@ZorotheGallade]

Knuckles heroes & Knuckles

[@Pc_98_Fan]

Tails and Knuckles: we're going to save Amy Sonic: 😐✌️ _proceed to disappear_

[@MashupProductions22]

Also tails and knuckles: proceeds to kill amy

[@aa69420]

Now it's called Tails & Knuckles.

[@samirjohnson4524]

And Knuckles

[@Octo-1008]

Knuckles heroes

[@JP-hk6xw]

Knuckles' knuckles and Tails

[@webs2099]

I am.the main character now

[@spyrooooo8601]

@@webs2099 &knuckles

[@Zwyrx_Hgqfyggz]

9:58 When you can't complete a quarter of the game without Sonic

[@quamaii]

All you have to do is play as one of the other teams, it's that simple.

[@alexdaubenspeck4339]

its been a while since ive played this games so correct me if im wrong , but dont you have to unlock the other teams. otherwise this is such a solid loophole he should have mentioned it in the video. lol

[@quamaii]

@@alexdaubenspeck4339 No, you don't have to. (At least in the PS2 port, which is what I have.)

[@selassieaspen9940]

Metal Madness requires Sonic The Hedgehog and his team story to be completed....

[@korhol2065]

Tails and knuckles: We don’t need sonic anymore Sonic: but my gli- Tails and knuckles: BEGONE

[@spyrooooo8601]

Tails & *Knuckles*

[@xSilentZeroXx]

[after watching the video] Sonic: You could not live with your failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.

[@FoxtailBoyd1991]

"You need Sonic to beat Sonic Heroes" *Surprised Pikachu face*

[@babyburch33]

It’s amazing to realize how useful each character is in this game.

[@JUMPYCOOL]

Tails and Knuckles: Sonic needs a vacation, we can beat Eggman without him! Pole: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?

[@maddog197x]

I find it really interesting that in both challenges you got stuck at the exact same spot in Hang Castle. You couldn’t clear it with only Sonic cause Tails needed to pull the lever, and you couldn’t complete it without him because you need the Lightspeed Dash

[@JennyBlaze253]

Not only that, but the only other level Sonic got stuck at, Bullet Station, was also one of the levels Tails and Knuckles got stuck at. Just goes to show that teamwork is essential if you wanna beat Eggman. ...now if only we could tell that to the past 14 years of games...

[@comicfan1324]

It is sad that neither of these challenges are completable, but there is a nice moral: “Sometimes, you have to work with others to get something done.”

[@basketbomberslackingson4417]

I find it funny how a sonic and knuckles duo could probably beat this game

[@Moleoflands]

They can't pull that switch in hang castle for the rocket accel

[@Lariat._]

I'm pretty sure someone already made this comment but I might as well anyway xD: 6:00 You can actually make it past that section using Thundershoot with Tails. He'll convert every shot into small bursts of forward momentum without depleting the flight meter. It's slow, but it is possible to make that gap. Awesome videos as always Nate!

[@bananaboyybeans1159]

damn who thought sonics stripper job would get in the way of winning

[@wolfbloodplayz1590]

Nathaniel Bandy: Releases video only using Sonic Also Nathaniel Bandy: *uno reverse card*

[@Mauripsu]

Ah yes, my favorite game Heroes, how to forget Team

[@lewisjames6153]

Nathaniel: can you beat sonic heroes without sonic Me: yeah obviously that’s easy Also me: using shadows team

[@supersaiyan3619]

then reach metal madness without sonic see if that's possibble

[@selassieaspen9940]

@@supersaiyan3619 They think clever even though there comments aren't original or true.

[@GrandleJams]

If I remember correctly, if you use thunder shoot, and move forward slightly, you get a very small movement without using your boost while flying. It's very small, but it would make tons of these horizontal jumps possible.

[@ChristopherMoom]

The Chad *_Sonic Heroes without Sonic_* VS The Virgin *_Sonic Heroes with only Sonic_*

[@healmore8716]

Hi again

[@NeoNobody]

Those little circles on the sonic heroes logo, I bet they inspired how the snacks for the spirits look in super smash bro’s ultimate

[@wizardkirb7795]

:O

[@emmbeesea]

First, only Sonic. Now, no Sonic. Up next: & Knuckles

[@josephtpg7329]

Sonic: So, what did we all learn after this experience? Tails: That we all need each other and everybody is necessarily to this adventure Knuckles: That a stupid stripping pole can end careers and mess everything up Sonic: YES KNUCKLES THIS IS WHY I FAVORITE YOU MORE THAN TAILS!

[@joshmor8481]

No. Leave now. No sonic fan base.

[@JuneBloomRoses]

*Just play with another team your technically not playing as sonic*

[@SeanWheeler100]

Exactly what I was thinking. When you use Amy, Shadow or Espio, you're not Sonic.

[@nerosoul2506]

He has to beat all teams story’s to access the final boss

[@Bro-cx2jc]

True maybe he could have called it "beating the game without using Speed Formation"

[@aerth6946]

S H L O N K S

[@tsunamifoxy]

IKR

[@anordinarystupidteenager432]

This is a stale meme but uhh... Tails *& Knuckles*

[@Elias-hm7we]

So basically, Sonic's most important job is pole dancing... That's a sentence I didn't expect to say

[@SimonGuyWhoLikesGowther]

So this is why Amy wants him

[@diggzzz_]

Looks like Tails wasn't ready to be the main character after all

[@Blue-lp5hg]

Yesterday: Sonic Today: Heroes

[@liamvachon8782]

0:10 Sonic Heroes after March 31st 2021 (suffered the same fate as mario)

[@lukevore3464]

Take a shot every time he says "flight flight boost" you'll die of alcohol poisoning

[@leviaWNG]

Boring

[@european_mapper-FR]

That’s why Sonic is in Smash where Tails and Knuckles are only there for the olympics

[@angelsartandgaming]

Reminds me of when I tried to beat Sonic Heroes with only Tails and Cream. It wasn't very possible at all. But it was fun!

[@BrobjeV]

9:31 my eyes are bleeding. Thank you, drawn monstrosity.

[@cherrycreamsoda4253]

For a second I thought it was a re-upload

[@marcorizo1387]

He said yesterday he would upload this.

[@Mal_FPS]

Same here

[@leik7728]

Tails: hey sonic why do u know how to ride up a pool? Sonic: uhhhhh Sonic: *flashbacks to when he was a male stripper*

[@bramble553]

You should definitely try this challenge with the other teams! Should be interesting considering how different some teams are, most notably chaotix.

[@theneoreformationist]

Yes, the team rose missions are shorter, so they may lack some of the challenges

[@imp_raziel]

4:45 ah yeah. CriticalCyd, my favorite speedrunner :0 (yeah it's 3 year old video)

[@Goat_Clown]

But who needs knuckles when you have tails?

[@BloodThirstyAvengers]

7:59 Tails: Come on, come on, come on, Yeah! Knuckles: Got it! Me: Yeah ya did. :P

[@frogmanxbl7129]

Something about the fact that what's holding tails and knuckles back from beating the game is sonic's secret talent as a pole dancer really amuses me

[@thejuic3b0i64]

This caught me off guard since I was watching the one with Sonic earlier.

[@nesradub360]

I don't remember any part of Bingo Highway looking like the area shown at 3:20, and I've played through that level many times

[@chris1229sonic]

ahh yes my favorite megaman zero song

[@ethan2803]

7:29 as a kid when I was playing through this level, I didn’t know how to wall-jump as sonic. Though it took me hours of trying and failing to get past it through other means, I actually ended up finding this trick with tails that’s showcased here, and it was the only reason I was ever able to complete the game. I’m sure I wasn’t the first one to do it, but I’ve always thought it was kinda cool that I figured out how to do an exploit like that at such a young age.

[@hayleywaalen2612]

Do another one with Team Dark, Rose or Chaotix

[@CrashFan03]

wouldn't it essentially be the same

[@huurra14]

Team Rose one will be interesting since levels are shorter.

[@austria-hungary7680]

I like how the title says "sonic heroes" but its only team sonic's story

[@phil3309]

Video is 10 minutes long me: ok i guess they do diss fast Nathaniel: neh we are 2 minutes in we can´t make it me: ARE YOU FRICKING KIDDING ME

[@deadchannel4177]

Tails: I can get past anything Poles and long distances: allow us to introduce ourselves

[@sparkx9272]

Challenge Idea: Mario Odyssey without Cappy

[@jeremysorejian]

Bowser section

[@ZorotheGallade]

@@jeremysorejian The power line at the end of the Cap Kingdom.

[@mischiefthedegenerateratto7464]

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[@Groudon0199]

There are 2 flight tricks that could be used to get past some of the pole/flower obstacles. Using thundershoot stops the flight gauge from emptying for a short time, and there's a way to the flight boost without actually landing (it's been ages since I played, so I don't remember if it's possible with teams other than Rose and Chaotix, but I do remember it being very difficult to pull off if you're not flying into a wall).

[@Yuzu_sans2]

Is it possible to beat sonic 06? That’s a tough one

[@steadfast1448]

OH HELL NAH

[@paxgallery6646]

I mean, there is a method to do that, but it requires a lot of well timed glitchiness

[@feiradragon7915]

Actually you can beat Sonic 06. The real question is: can you beat Sonic 06 without running into glitches? I doubt it.

[@bruhgoaway4876]

If you have Tail max level, can’t you shoot Knuckles or Sonic at the pole to trigger a tornado spin animation?

[@mechajay3358]

He's the star of the games series. You can't beat any game without him.

[@TheBohobemeister]

As always, wonderful video!

[@thecherry6849]

Me: This is possible The Game: Negative Chief

[@austria-hungary7680]

The reason the power super slide glitch works is because of how unfinished the PC port is and how it works with loops that have their own gravity so its not only grind rails lol.

[@mmku0]

sonic is more important then tails and knuckles wow

[@yellowmello1223]

This is Sonic Heroes after all.

[@sonicthehedge]

This video made me realize how important sonic is in this game. I always thought he was mostly there just to speed up the game

[@Egerotti11034]

When is How NB is mind blowing?

[@lolialf]

im having such nostalgia, this game was one of my childhood games

[@ITAndroMedian]

I do remember that at level 3 Tails' Thunder Shoot or Knuckes' aerial smashes gains wind properties, allowing to use poles and sunflowers.

[@theultimaterush]

I hate when I get the random urge to play this game, I've always loved it. I wish they would make a part 2, love the sonic games you play as multiple characters

[@toadtv4389]

Nathaniel: did it possible? Also Nathaniel: It isn't... *Fly hack: Are you sure about it?*

[@DawnsDeparture]

That ending plug for the previous video actually made me hope for another one of these, like from one of the other teams or something

[@KewelsBri]

Btw, it's possible to disable characters completely. I've done it before using the Sonic Heroes Trainer. I'd recommend trying it if you don't want characters you don't wanna use just hanging around.

[@SillyFemboyShorts]

Sonic:oh cool, a new game for me Knuckles and tails:SAY SIKE RIGHT NOW

[@reshawshid]

7:29 Yeah after a few playthroughs I just used Tails there. Far more reliable than the wall jump.

[@ShrunkedDude]

I noticed someone who played Team Chaotix, they were able to infinitely fly with Charmy doing a flight glitch (takes time) if this can also work with Tails it might be possible to beat this game without Sonic.

[@ylondes9927]

I stayed up for this upload.. And it didn't dissapoint me

[@ElPsychoDog]

>Why is this video so sporadic??? >Video is 10 minutes. >Oh....$$$

[@brycist]

Damn it, I was expecting the intro to be, "heroes, heroes, heroes, heroes."

[@ZuletaBOi317]

There's this one trick you can do to go up poles without using Sonic or Shadow, you have to gather everyone with power formation (Knuckles or Omega), then as you jump and the characters fly around you, immediately switch to Tails or Rouge and then apparently you can also gain wind from that and the flight formation character can swing up.

[@PaulEffinger]

Even though this was a disappointment, I still enjoyed this. Videos like these are very entertaining to watch.

[@johnx140]

oh my god bruh, 6:42 why was touching those things felt so good? even after more han a decade it feels good to watch that

[@dnhn.design]

Should be titled "sonic wins by doing absolutely nothing"

[@Vade4545]

2:25 already? Dam

[@Wizzkidwas]

A lot of the times you need a long flight distance, you can do it Thunder shooting stops the flight bar from draining, so when you fly, you can move and shoot at the same time to get extra distance, and if you micromanage it, you can go far horizontally

[@parzival-bo]

Cool. Now try the Chaotix missions with only Espio.

[@generaljf7233]

Bullet Station is possible. After the Area where Team Rose finishes the level you go on Some rails and you can do a glide with Knuckles that get you far enough to skip the poles.

[@joshmor8481]

You can actually make that jump in bullet station if you get the other two characters captured and jump to the long brown platform. Edit: btw I tried to do this a few weeks ago on console and the sonic bop glitch can actually get past alot of things

[@Lumbearjackk]

Yeah but we did this PC only, so the Bop boost was out the question

[@joshmor8481]

No not the bop boost you just need to use the purple enemys to capture knuckles then sonic then you can make that jump with tails solo

[@stronbium]

How did you manage to separate the lead and background vocals in 0:10?

[@rolicdot]

Now that's what I'd like to call *REUPLOADED VIDEO*

[@MurasakiReis]

Im a casual player but i played this quite a bunch of times but there IS a way to use the pole without sonic, but you'll need to have i think lvl 3 power ups for either sonic or tails but i think its tails, then if you throw sonic at the pole being close to it you'll use it never pulling sonic to the front but you need to be very luvky for them to drop for the right character or drop at all

[@MurasakiReis]

However thats a thing on gamecube so idk if it works on pc or other consoles

[@ryoxbocchi]

Ah yes, *[Name Deleted]* Heros. i remember playing as *[Name Deleted]*.

[@cslack813]

Crazy how the parts you can’t get past are mostly vertically challenged but requiring sonic

[@Triforce9426]

Flight-flight boost? Sounds like something Jar Jar Binks would come up with.

[@thebenwilbert]

Sonic: I'm gonna take the day off Tails: COME HELP US YOU LAZY ****** Sonic: (Runs far away so he doesn't have to help)