Is it Safe? .223 Remington Scorpio 55gr FMJ (S223055F)

[@nathanielboos4182]

BTW Patriot sports and STV scorpio are the same ammo! great stuff

[@BuffRANGE]

Good to know!

[@carlosdaniels9515]

Ran across some Patriot 2A 9mm & 223 a few months ago. Both worked well in all my different weapons. Just finished browsing my usual website, looking for Labor Day specials. Saw this for the first time and was skeptical. Came to Buffman for confirmation, so this was perfect timing. Thanks to this video and your comment, I'm going to go ahead and grab a few cases.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@carlosdaniels9515 awesome glad it was helpful !

[@carlosdaniels9515]

​​@@BuffRANGEI'm seeing what appears to be a new U.S. based company called Federated Ordnance. They are advertising their 124gr 9mm and 55gr 556 as loaded to NATO specs. Was curious as to whether or not you'd heard of them

[@BuffRANGE]

@@carlosdaniels9515I have not :(

[@bauerprecision]

We like this ammo! Have a bunch of it in the shop and have run a couple thousand rounds suppressed with no issues. Definitely a little spicy but who’s going to complain about a few extra FPS 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@BuffRANGE]

We wanted to ensure it wasn't TOO spicy, and that doesn't seem to be the case. JUST RIGHT though :D

[@bauerprecision]

@@BuffRANGE Glad you were able to confirm it! Keep up the awesome work.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@bauerprecision Thank you very much!

[@kennethpowers8995]

This and Independence M193 are probably the hottest commercial 55 grain stuff I’ve run into in recent times. I haven’t ever gotten any pressure issues though and it’s always run fine and reloaded well on my bench after the initial firing. Accuracy for me seems on par with other milspec 55gr loads and I typically get ~1.5 MOA out of majority of my rifles. I’m personally fine with the higher velocities though as it aids in penetration through plates and whatnot plus on soft targets the extra velocity helps the bullet bend and deform at its cannelure causing some nasty wound channels as it yaws and tumbles.

[@LA3DP]

I’ve used about 100 rounds of this and honestly it worked really well and was by far the cheapest when I bought it during a price hike surge last year.

[@whatsmolly5741]

I dont buy it unless some horrendously incorrect powder is used. 5 56 is a caliber where the top loads are using 100% + case capacity, the top loads are all already compressed. For a 55g fmj bt using ramshot tac, the top load is 27.3 grains which is literally just filling the case to the top. In order to create an over pressure load to begin with, you would have to fill the case to 100% capacity then take something to hammer the powder down to add MORE POWDER.... and if you ever find yourself doing that then ya reevaluate that load because that's not normal. Also there's a limit to how much you can compress because compressed powder doesn't burn very well. With all that being said if you manage to balance the compression with full burn you still can't really hurt the gun yourself as evident by Kentucky ballistics who legitimately tried to blow up an ar but had to use a squib in the end. That top load for 55g fmj bt out of a 20" is 3450 so ya that load is no where near over pressure. I load ss109 faster than that.

[@donwyoming1936]

This load is pretty mild for M193. The spec is 3250 fps from a 20 inch barrel. Like you, my reloads are around 3400 fps, and I'm not at a max load.

[@texasranger24]

This ain't Bubbas pissin' hot 5.56 reload that has all powder and no safety. This is lukewarm .223rem.

[@dariodicarlo8745]

@@texasranger24Fr I don’t get why we are comparing .223 velocities to m193 5.56 and I especially don’t get why we are talking about “bubbas pissin hawt reloads”

[@briankopp1369]

The only time in my tests that I had consistent primer pop was Sterling. They were not overpressure, I believe they were just loose. 10 out of 30 fell into my gun. Most were in the trigger, but one got smashed between the bolt lugs and barrel, jamming the gun.

[@floorpizza8074]

*deep voice mode engaged* Ahem, Banana Ballistics sent me. Instant thumbs and subs. Gonna binge watch your content on this sleepless night.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you kindly !

[@Arkancide]

Ey! Pro2A Tactical! I got my 12.5" 300blk upper from them! Hardly anyone ever mentions them for some reason. Only place I've found that I could get a 300blk upper in that length for less than $500! Working great so far. I've never heard of Scorpio ammo. Been out of the 5.56 game for too long. Been on a 30 cal track for years.

[@JockeyStrappers]

my local ffl is selling these at 10.45 per box which is like 10 cents less than the cheapest m193 spec for just about exact same performance. love how clean the brass is compared to other boxes.

[@SolarMoth]

I see this going for decent prices all the time. Been avoiding it because most forums will say to avoid lesser known brands. Glad these are good to go!

[@tborr50cal83]

I've shot about 40 rounds of this stuff , so far so good on my end. Decent ammo. Great video!

[@997JM]

Ruh roh Raggy... mosquitos no bueno. I've been watching mosquito prevention videos... still working on my strategy.

[@BuffRANGE]

if you find something that works let me know!

[@timrobinson6573]

@@BuffRANGE Greetings from South Florida, mosquito capital of America. Use OFF Deep Woods 25% DEET. It's the only that works well for me when I go hiking or camping down here. There's a few wildlife preserves here with no mosquito control and you wouldn't believe how bad the mosquitoes are. The OFF Deep Woods works great. You have to coat yourself head to toe though. Outside South Florida you may not have be as extreme with the application of the OFF.

[@jstud999]

@@timrobinson6573the mosquitos in Louisiana don’t care. I’ve used everything imaginable and tons of it. I’ve just accepted it and try to control around my house as good as possible.

[@doejohn8674]

@@BuffRANGE I can confirm that anything with at least 25% DEET works, I lived 4 years in British Columbia, the black flies and mosquitos are plenty there. just watch out for anything made of plastics, the stuff can work like a solvent.

[@ww2gunexp]

Flame throwers work great, might have to check local laws first tho...

[@tafino]

My cetme L pierced primers on this make. Sent it for warranty and all checked out ok. Just a heads up. In my ARs and Pioneer 5.56 it does ok.

[@kamehamehaX300]

OMG, I bought a case of 1000 of these so I’ve got a good sample size too! In my experience, TLDR: Terrible accuracy loaded very hot The brass is really good for reloading, ive shot them 8-9 times no problems. When I shot them out of a 7.5 inch barrel I noticed a lot of extractor marks, like it was exceptional, and I’m a reloaded so I was like wtf, the. I remembered the ammo is factory.

[@brandonjarvis9821]

Thank you brother

[@BuffRANGE]

You are very welcome!

[@pointyshineygreentip8718]

I have a Pickets Armory Upper. Shoots great

[@BuffRANGE]

Awesome!

[@fromtheguncounter4140]

Thanks for doing this more structured test! My experience was much more anecdotal. The blown primer was in an SG551, and general cycling in other guns felt much hotter than M193. Perhaps it was a spicy batch, perhaps it was the temperature being over 100 degrees, I'm not really sure. But I'm glad that was not the experience here!

[@BuffRANGE]

It could be the 100F temperatures. 75F here, and I've noted that typical 1-1.5 fps per 1°F gain sometimes is more than that in 5.56 when temps get above 90F

[@donwyoming1936]

This ammo isn't hot at all. M193 is supposed to be 3250 fps from a 20 inch.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@donwyoming1936 3167 fps at 78 ft or whatever. It’s much closer than some others.

[@TrollinCrazyRussian]

Try hot chamber soak baby!

[@frankbrowning328]

Looks to be great practice ammo

[@timrobinson6573]

Primary Arms and B. King Firearms has it for $13 for a box of 20. Yikes

[@mot0rhe4d40]

Been seeing it elsewhere for a little better prices than that

[@Stryker309]

Last week, grabagun was selling it for $8/box

[@alexanderstordeur9434]

For 55gr fmj. No way.

[@nomad155]

Appreciate the work you do. Ill buy this ammo with confidence now

[@BuffRANGE]

You are most welcome. If it's an consolation, there's probably one of those shill links somewhere that could earn me a sales commission as a thank you, but regardless I appreciate you finding the info useful!

[@nomad155]

@@BuffRANGE this gave me a chuckle! You give good work. I don't mind doing such for you.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@nomad155 alnk.to/6IFwfS6 :D

[@nomad155]

@@BuffRANGE I can't do PSA 😮‍💨 they won't ship to me, but I'll try true shot and Primary Arms

[@BuffRANGE]

@@nomad155haha wrong linkage :) alnk.to/aLIWOSC

[@itsnodawayitustabe5654]

Runs hotter than SDI or Magtech in my guns

[@faltomjager5823]

Sheared and Dried Incels?

[@ryanjohnson3239]

@BuffRANGE is the bullet flat based, or is it boat tail? otherwise decent 223.

[@BuffRANGE]

It has a little boattail, but not very pronounced.

[@Lucysdad66]

I got some 556 made in turkey and it seem to shoot ok in a 556 chamber but when i shot it in a 223 wylde chamber it blew out about 5 primers out of about 20 rounds.

[@BuffRANGE]

Who made that 223 Wylde chambered barrel?

[@PrayingPanda]

You should definitely get a 12.5middy😊😊 I bet you'd love it.

[@mghegotagun]

Tried a box of this stuff. I just assumed it was as mild as pmc bronze

[@NotABot-m6e]

I have the fastest velocity with this ammo at the CMP match

[@alexanderstordeur9434]

What kind of powder are they using?

[@BuffRANGE]

Probably some large mass produced powder that we can't order.

[@briancunningham5011]

All the videos I've watched and I just realized your a lefty

[@BuffRANGE]

Indeed. I do some things with Mr Right, but shooting isn't one of them. Well I do from time to time, but you can tell it lacks the finer skills :D

[@pjmoore6214]

Have you seen Vanguard Outfitters Zombo-down custom 5.7×28mm?

[@BuffRANGE]

Yeah it's a 35gr NTX round. Not something I would consider for SD/PP/HD because of it's limited penetration

[@pjmoore6214]

@@BuffRANGE that's exactly what I was thinking. I was just curious, and I wanted to ask if you had done or seen any test with it?

[@davidsirmons]

Average for m193, really, and particularly disappointing out of the 22 inch. Wish I could find some independence m193I but it's gone. Standard m193 Winchester Lake City 556 is the next best, usually hitting 3100+ out of a 20.

[@bgingras05]

Hank Scorpio ❤

[@A.T.TomICBomBr87]

I shot this round thru my pws mk111 on all gas settings and my dads Adams arms piston 16” upper. Couldnt/wouldnt cycle. With and without a can. Could be that we are running a stronger geissele buffer spring. Idk. I passed on this round despite the price point at the time.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@A.T.TomICBomBr87 what ammo do you typically run ?

[@A.T.TomICBomBr87]

@@BuffRANGEpmc xtac 55gr fmj, winchwester, federal, frontier, hornaday, all roughly the same grain. No green tips, yet. Did run a small count of wolf/tula 223 years ago, no problems. It could be the buffer spring being alittle too strong. Bought 2boxes/40 rds. Only shot 10ish and gave the rest away.

[@donwyoming1936]

This stuff is actually on the weak side, Kids. M193 is supposed to be 3250 fps from a 20 inch barrel. My M193 reloads, that aren't even near max, are 3400 fps out of a 20 inch, Colt HBAR.

[@Hornet135]

Yeah, this gets the velocity at the muzzle that it should be getting at 26 yards. Velocity is down 3% from spec.

[@BuffRANGE]

I'd love to hear your recipe (obviously use at your own risk) for how you're getting 3,400 fps from a 20" barrel. What elevation and temp were you at when you recorded those? I will say from my quest of trying to duplicate M855A1 factory speeds, I was pushing an OVER the MAX book listed load of H335...

[@imperfectlump6070]

​@@BuffRANGEhodgedon has one load using their website that does 3384 fps with varget powder. That is typically for precision shooting and is less sensitive to temperature.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@imperfectlump6070 That is however from a 24" barrel, not a 20" :D

[@imperfectlump6070]

@@BuffRANGE I put in 20" barrel in the calculator. Not sure if it's not completely accurate.

[@ckiefner715]

You didn’t “Let’s throw this on the table”

[@BuffRANGE]

Crap sorry :(

[@DerWaidmann_]

Why would this .223 be unsafe when it still isn't as hot as m193?

[@BuffRANGE]

A person I follow on IG had a primer fall out and then felt the recoil was excessive, which lead him to believe it was "too hot". Henceforth then the purchase and subsequent velocity test showing at leas the lot I got wasn't "too hot"

[@timjohnson8390]

What do you mean a wedge to keep the upper and lower tight?

[@BuffRANGE]

Sorry I should have thrown in a Picture. Pickett's match their uppers and lowers, and there's a set screw in the lower receiver that's tensioned up against the upper receiver rear take down lug..

[@timjohnson8390]

@@BuffRANGE is that to tighten tolerances?

[@BuffRANGE]

@@timjohnson8390 Yes, it's supposed to make sure the upper and lower are nice and tight. Although a loose fitting upper/lower don't necessary equate to less precision/accuracy, it would allow you to be more consistent.

[@powerbagle]

Seems like 5.56 velocities, no? Probably over pressure in a .223 rifle.

[@Hornet135]

Close but no cigar

[@kevinrollman3101]

They are bound by saami restrictions.

[@briancunningham5011]

NicE..!!

[@BuffRANGE]

Indeed!

[@harrypeterson9287]

Aren't these 5.56 chambers though? As I understand it, a .223 chamber will produce higher pressures and velocities. Seems to be loaded to about NATO spec, not bad stuff. 👍

[@BuffRANGE]

The whole .223/5.56 is a muddy mess, but GENERALLY speaking US BORN and RAISED .223 Remington, is velocity rated from 24" barrels, vs 5.56 NATO being done from a 20" barrel. (PMC Bronze in .223 Rem, as a lower velocity than their PMC XTAC Line) However the market throws around terms like "M193" and "5.56 NATO" so much that there's never a clear cut answer as to what you're going to get velocity wise, and typically why I end up reviewing something. The wise thing to do is that if you have a .223 Remington Chambered barrel is to NOT shoot things marked 5.56 NATO through it. If you have a 5.56 NATO marked chamber or .223 Wylde you can shoot BOTH. Those scenarios are also quality control dependent on how close to spec manufacturers are producing their wares :D

[@harrypeterson9287]

@@BuffRANGE Still, this stuff is labeled .223 and seems to be on the spicy side. Maybe it isn't exceeding SAMMI spec from a .223 chamber, but it has to be close.

[@Kesssuli]

@@harrypeterson9287 European manufactured ammo and there 5.56 and .223rem are cip proofed with same pressure. Most likely by old legal reasons all ammo just happen to be marketed as .223 but by velocities are par with 5.56.

[@harrypeterson9287]

@@Kesssuli That's where things get confusing. 5.56 and .223 are tested from their respective chambers but both have the same max pressure limits. The chambers are different though, the 5.56 has a non-constricted/unrifled section of the barrel called a lead that lets the bullet jump ahead out of the case freely then impact the rifling, this reduces chamber pressures by a considerable amount. With .223 chambers the bullet is essentially going to immediately have to swage down and engage the rifling without that runup or initial pressure relief the lead provides.

[@Kesssuli]

@@harrypeterson9287 I know how technically those arent fully indentical but i guess those pressure spikes are taken to account when manufacturing true .223 rifles. Most european countries use cip proof so .223 chamber have to pass same stress than 5.56. But if that throat actually gives extra that would mean that either .223 chambers are machined to bit loose or strong enough to withstand more than normal overpressure round.

[@Kesssuli]

Not even close velocities those are marketed in here. Gotta wonder what test barrel they are using in factory. Must be least 24 inch to get promised results. Bough couple boxes and accuracy was just too shit to be worth even at that price. Sellier bellot is about same but bit more accurate. Least from my rifle.

[@2006Mercury]

Scorpiooooooooo

[@BuffRANGE]

Get over here!

[@sheepherder911]

You saw that deal on Ammoseek? Because I just got 1k rds because it was hot .223 for cheap. Great video and perfect timing.

[@BuffRANGE]

I had a guy who writes for TFB mention he was having issues with loosing primers on it about a month or so ago, so I picked some up :D I would say this is perfect timing if it's on ammoseek

[@sheepherder911]

@@BuffRANGE they had a killer deal for bulk and you know your boy had to pick up the case when I saw how spicy they are. Still have some good ammo deals out here, but it’s the exception and not the rule. Trump can’t get back into office fast enough.

[@Saboteur_91]

@@sheepherder911what was the deal?

[@sheepherder911]

@@Saboteur_91 they were selling at $.34/rd.

[@MyLonewolf25]

Those SD and ES numbers are trash No go imo

[@TacticalBuffoonary]

🤡

[@albundy7459]

This is pretty much the norm for factory ammo. If you want the good stuff you gotta make it yourself.

[@MyLonewolf25]

@@albundy7459 lol no 120+ ED is not normal

[@albundy7459]

@@MyLonewolf25 that wasn’t consistent over the entire group. It stayed around 40 which is par for the course. It’s factory ammo my guy. You aren’t going to get less than 30 over multiple lots of ammo. And it’s fmj so it’s only good to shoot trash with anyways.

[@BuffRANGE]

I would say in the grand scheme, the SD/ES are terrible, but it seems to be inline with other "bullk" 55gr FMJ I've tested. However the M855A1 I reviewed had much better SD/ES :D

[@peterschmidt2849]

🙃🇺🇸😆

[@randyemenhiser2573]

10 freaking shots from every rifle 😳😒 BORING!!!!!!

[@BuffRANGE]

Sorry :(