Is It THAT bad? | An Honest Look At The Acolyte...

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The Force is a power force user's can use in many ways but how is it used in fights against another force user and why is it used that way?
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[@lotuschamp7796]

Chaos and contradicting shortcuts, a cheap and weak feel to it all - Headlands mindstate is visible all throughout the series

[@MindofObscurik]

Yeah I feel Headlands really exposed how little she knows or understands about running a project like this.

[@lotuschamp7796]

@@MindofObscurik Shoes too big for her, still she waddles on - the result is a given

[@arconisthewolf4430]

@@MindofObscurik Also ki adi mundi was randomly put into the show,he's not supposed to be alive yet

[@jamiel6169]

I think Headlands headspace is the worst part. The rest is poor writing with some good performances- but then you add in the seriously creepy, sexualized undertone that’s all headland… ewwww. It goes from forgettable to horrible

[@HellaSayHella]

@@MindofObscurik I want to know how the fuck she got handed a project like this. It's baffling. Maybe being Harvey Weinstein's former assistant actually played a role lol. Girl might have dirt on somebody.

[@sunbrown8536]

yes, it is really really really that bad. it just isn't actual starwars. it is disney starwars. modern disney has no idea what is a good story or what is even a plain story. modern disney has no idea what is magical. modern disney has no idea what is fun...

[@Piratesi666]

Getting a lot of “No my president” energy here.

[@i.shuuya3231]

​@@Piratesi666I just know he's a 50 yo

[@Smoothdice6520]

They're right.. Even ignoring the lore breaks its so low budget feeling, even Bruce Campbell wouldn't do it. "No! Don't kill the guy who just murdered like 9 of your friends. You found an opening so obviously you should hesitate. Don't worry I'll get all these creatures to attack him instead cause.. umm."

[@Piratesi666]

@@Smoothdice6520 that part was incredibly SW. funny that it happens all the time in TCW, and you lot cheer it as genius. Disney do it, and its lOrEbReAkInG.

[@Smoothdice6520]

@@Piratesi666 That's a childrens cartoon. I was disappointed when I found out that counts as canon. Also a cop out, as it's bad writing in the cartoons too

[@wackywarrior001]

People keeping saying the Jedi failed due to hubris …. being fools, liars and immoral is not hubris, it’s just being a villain. The Sith are murderous villains , they raise children to turn them into Assassins , it the show wants us to empathize with them. It’s just so awful

[@OsloTime]

And Headland had the nerve in an interview (with The Mary Sue) to say that The Stranger (aka Qimir) is the face of counterculture and (BRB I need to look it up because it's bad lol) ... Ok I found it haha. She says that Qimir basically says about the Jedi "you recruit children, train them and then put them in dangerous situations and you're mad at me?" Like it's not his fault he kills and is using the dark side of the force because the Jedi are worse since they recruit kids and put them in hazardous, dangerous situations. And then she says he's ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT. What? Haha, he's a villian! It's so ridiculous that she wants the audience to not see him as a bad guy but just someone who is in a situation where he's just trying to BE. She practically makes it sound like Qimir is just trying to live his life (ya know being a Sith and killing people and trained Mae to kill people and Jedi but that's besides the point and we shouldn't focus on it) and that the eStaBLisHmEnT, "the man 😡" is trying to kill his vibe and the Jedi just won't let him have his freedom. What a buzz kill they are. 😂😂😂😂 It's so insane! It's @ 16:37 in case you want to see that part kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWW3kmBqaNuDmsk

[@user-kz5gw7xe4o]

@@OsloTime Leftists fancy themselves anti-establishment. That's endlessly amusing to me, since they support more government, more taxes, more regulations, more bureaucracy, more socialism, government control of health care, etc. The left support strict gun control, yet they want us to think they would let force-sensitive people train in the force however they want? Yeah right. The force is a lot more powerful than any gun. If leftists were in charge of the republic, there would be a whole government agency micromanaging and controlling all force use with licensing, fees, yearly training, registration, miles of red tape and paperwork, etc. etc. etc.

[@cmac3530]

They should've made Jecki the Knight and Yorde the Padawan. That makes Jecki and Osha's relationship much more believable if they knew each other in the past and better explains Yorde's incompetence.

[@MindofObscurik]

Lol facts it actually feels like that when you watch it too.

[@scotttimbrell8632]

But they didnt want just a strong female character, they already had loads of those, they wanted a specifically gifted padawan and it has to be a woman cus thats what leslie wants. Yorde is just there as thirst bait. Same as Smilo. They are horney lesbians making a fanfic, they arent actually thinking about the show.

[@combatking0]

@@scotttimbrell8632 Wouldn't horny lesbians want to see more women on screen? I'd have thought Yorde VPN and Smilo were there for the straight women.

[@rolon-will3362]

Absolutely! I think a reason it has been so hard to enjoy this show is that it's so easy for people like yourself to suggest excellent changes that would have massively improved or explained aspects of the series.

[@Clawed9]

oh.. that would have explained her standing against Qimir that well ! Such a missed opportunity. Yorde and Jecki even have that sort of dynamic in this show

[@crsmntmr392]

writer on that series don't know how to write plain and simple

[@DaleESkywalker]

There were multiple writers. They were congruent with the Skywalker Saga and maybe a little more cheesy. The parallels are all there. Sol killing Mother Aniseya was never explained just as Luke being seen as attempting to kill Ben was. People jumped to conclusions about both, but they weren't able to articulate what their reasoning was after they realized their mistakes and began lying to themselves. Killing Aniseya was self-defense. Luke igniting his saber over Ben didn't have anything to do with Ben. It had everything to do with what he saw in Ben's mind. It was the influence of Palpatine and Snoke that would turn Ben as if their essence were in the room. "I did the right thing for all the wrong reasons." Some turn to the dark side. Some take themselves out of the equation. Qui Gon stayed away from joining the Jedi Council. He would've left the Jedi Order to train Anakin if he didn't die. It's easy to see the parallels if you're looking for them. It's easy to nitpick everything if you're trying to see something original and spectacular. It isn't there, aside from being a different genre. The fight sequences are great. Slo-motion is a little bit new, but not really.

[@victoryagueizquierdo2320]

Jecki's scene is even less believable because it comes directly after she STRUGGLES and FAILS to arrest Mae. Make it make sense. She's not strong enough to restrain Mae, BUT she's stronger than 6 or 7 jedi masters, Yord included, AND able to fight Darth Perv for minutes. wtf...

[@xedalpha1]

They wanted to make an acab analogy using the Jedi. Ignoring that the witches started the vioence and one literally SA'd the padawan boy with the force, the analogy kind of falls flat on its face

[@rickrollrizal]

But they wrote themselves into a corner. Cause they put girlbosses in the Jedi to f the patriarchy. And now they're in a dilemma, they can't make ACAB jedi or else the girlbosses will look bad.

[@MrMooMoo088]

I was going to say you're wrong but... you can almost see it. Clearly an Acab influence on the jedi, but probably dialed the severity of crimes when they realized the actors they cast as Jedi would be the cops.

[@Nabekukka]

Dude, watch Andor, I don't think you've seen it because if you had, you would've brought it up. Watch it, get your mind blown and then get even more pissed at how in the hell is a guy that supposedly doesn't like Star Wars was able to make Rogue One and Andor, while the supposed fans make something like Mandalorian, Kenobi, Boba Fett, Ahsoka and Acolyte.

[@ian-flanagan]

They love calling us “racists” and “misogynists”, so how about… I dunno, exploring that by metaphor…? If Mae + Osha are one _being_ split, then split their personalities and make them unbalanced; one purely optimistic, the other purely hate-driven; explore what happens when someone is out of balance. This also lets them explore yin-yang where some “negatives” are necessary for balance (instead of trying to claim the dark side is necessary for balance 🤦). It would also allow the actress to show off her skills more (if she has any). But no, they introduce the “split” for seemingly no reason, and then just call us “misogynists” as a direct insult…

[@What_do_I_Think]

In The Phantom Menace two Jedi, a master and his padawan fight against a whole robot army (*) and a Sith. Here about ten Jedi can not even compete with one Sith. (*) Ok, they do not really fight the robot army, but they at least can hold the line against quite a few of them. And the Jedi counsel also does not send a dozen of them, but two!

[@GeekOwtLowd]

Jekki fighting better than everyone wasn't a story thing... it was purely the writers saying "I like this character so I want her to have the most coolest fight scene."

[@mdub2000]

True thank you so much for the reflection at the end as it completely makes sense in regards to how you work with a whole universe that has lore …its like no respect to the creator and care for what built the franchise in the first place….thanks man well done. Even a show like Cobra Kai respects its lore as they are world building…. Disney starwars is just careless and think they can throw money at things and get rid of the fans that made the franchise

[@samuelwallace2782]

Torbin being on the planet 7 weeks before asking why they are there 😂 And why? So that there can be an exposition dump.

[@MindofObscurik]

legit right at least they could of wrote it in a way that seems more natural than suddenly asking after weeks like wtf lol

[@laurenzollamas2324]

I think the thing that truly kills me is - Jedi are taught to look / talk to the Force when they need guidance. AKA, close their eyes, meditate, do not pay attention to their eyes. Heck - it's said IN THE FIRST EPISODE that their eyes will deceive them. And yet.... not a single character in this series (that I've seen) sits down, crosses their legs, and takes a few minutes to commune with the Force. They don't even go with "I sense XYZ" or "my intuition tells me" Granted - that's probably too "boring" for short episodes in an 8 episode season, but sure would make more sense for Jedi looking for a vergence to, yknow, rely on their senses instead of wandering around with technical machines.

[@laurenzollamas2324]

To elaborate - it's weird that a show about Jedi, an order based on samurai and Eastern spiritualism.... doesn't seem to involve any sort of spiritual aspect at all and instead substitutes a lot of action scenes, vague contrivances, and emulating "force police."

[@MindofObscurik]

You actually that's a VERY good point instead of Sol just seeing what he saw with the twins and jumping to conclusions which is what led to all this happening. If was acting like a Jedi Knight he would of searched within himself and the force and pondered if maybe their was another side to this story or something. Unfortunately by the way he kept saying " I feel like she should be my apprentice" etc it shows he was not thinking straight and really just allowing his own interests and emotions take precedent which is a pity.

[@chocolatebar6785]

first few minutes of the first episode shows younglings meditating and talking about what they see, which was also used with the fire in space scene to establish fire as a motif and later osha uses the helmet as a deprevation chamber to better communicate with the force sol wanted to ‘save’ the kids and disobey the council because of his intuition with the force the vergence was only a secondary goal for the brendok jedi, they were most likely using the metal detector things for scanning different species of plants/fauna and documenting them to put in the jedi archieves

[@scotttimbrell8632]

If you were a writer then you could always use scene splicing to make it seem like thats exactly what they were doing. Having a character walk into a room whilst they are coming out of trance is a simple way of telling the watcher, thats exactly what they were doing for a while. Having someone open a door, swap to another character closing the door can indicate that they are both seeing the same thing without actually showing us what they are looking for. (This example for the awful Ice road film where they were checking the ice, we have no idea what they are checking, but seeing her close the truck door indicates exactly what she was doing, without actually showing us what and how long she was doing it) But these writers wrote this garbage pile, so thats sort of editing trick is below them.

[@comfordorthewizard8008]

5:51 - qimir was definitely toying with jecki and was not overpowered by her, he was keeping her alive to kill in front of Sol to invoke a un-jedi like reaction. Jecki is skilled, and as soon as she becomes a threat and knocks off his helmet, he disposes of her in an INSTANT with a triple-shiv Not to mention Qimir was distracted in the fight as while fighting Jecki he was also trying to capture Mae who was fleeing.

[@mexicanr3volution944]

It’s horrible and no excuses can be made since it cost over 180 million. Disney had the money and resources to hire talented writers

[@MindofObscurik]

Facts....

[@abelgonzalez158]

They paid headlamp to keep her weinstein mouth shut and protect all those friends of harvey still out there

[@MrMooMoo088]

I think it's pretty clear Disney is not hiring the best talent available. I'm not sure what goes on in the hiring process but Talent has got to be near the bottom of the list.

[@Lilac-and-Gooseberries]

Critic score is now 80%

[@LordLawwritesforfans]

The problem with Acolyte is the story. Disney / Lucasfilm I have stories to out pace The Infinity Saga! Give Hope a chance and give fans the Lucasfilm movies they deserve! Have Hope fans!

[@Rawteur]

I wouldn't consider myself a Star Wars fan so I didn't know anything about Jedi's composure or have a deep appreciation of the overall lore. However, I am a huge sci fi fan. I believe my dislike for this show is unbiased. For me it just simply wasn't good writing. You did a great job explaining a lot of the nuances the producers/creators of this show overlooked. This video is gonna pop off for you bro. congrats. I'll come back at 10k views with an I told you so.

[@MindofObscurik]

I hope so! lol thank you I appreciate it!

[@Rawteur]

@@MindofObscurik close enough... told you so!

[@MindofObscurik]

@@Rawteur haha almost there

[@Mcklazie]

Agreed… it’s the lazy writing that destroys the show. The character motivations are inconsistent changing from one moment to the next without good reason. Nonsensical plot devices like fires that destroy stone and metal structures, not to mention the terrible dialogue. But seriously how did this cost 180 million for 8 30min episodes and House of Dragon 200 million for 10 60min episodes? How embarrassing…

[@MindofObscurik]

yeah I didn't even mention the fire somehow spreading through a stone and metal structure cause everyone's talked about it, I originally did but I cut it out to keep the video short and to the point, however we all I think can recognise that's not even an accepted sci-fi or fantasy trope it's just bad like HOW... those be some dry bricks...

[@Mcklazie]

@@MindofObscurik enjoyed your review, it was well done 👍

[@Veryy_Victoriaa]

18:36 not to mention yord was there when it was said (loudly) the moths were attracted to light yet when Osha later tells him to turn off his saber or it will “attract them” he says “attract what?”. I went back to the earlier scene thinking maybe he’d gone ahead of the group but nope, he was right there.

[@cornerofthemoon]

I gave it a chance but it’s beyond terrible. It’s the Star Wars version of “The Room”

[@daniloperic6450]

I just wish Disney would take more inspiration from the director who made their best projects of Rogue One and Andor

[@zaquhe]

I am so glad you mentioned how the jedi dont sound right in how they speak. When i heard them say "M count" instead of just saying "Medichlorians," i was probably more taken out of the story than any other mistake the writers had made prior.

[@kenyonr]

This needs waaaaay more views

[@MindofObscurik]

Thank you! lets hope youtube doesn't cut it off for whatever reason lol

[@ReidDesigns]

27:17 now you know why we think Rian Johnson hates Star Wars, his constant “your snoke theory sucks” really pissed off the fans. TLJ started the deconstruction

[@fronk_alt]

I haven't seen the show but I really liked the video!

[@MindofObscurik]

Cheers Fronk! always good to see you enjoying the video 😄

[@willfilmon182]

I suggest you keep not watching the show

[@jryannorton]

Great video. This is exactly why "critics" said the show was ok but the fans rejected it.

[@DatAlaskan]

You are correct that the Jedi are meant to be composed and typically outburst of anger is frowned upon. The examples of Anakin are ones that proves that the council was right to not make him a Master. And proves Anakin wasn’t meant to be trained as a Jedi due to his reliance on emotion attachments. Anakin’s flaw was anger. Sol has a high sense of emotional empathy so high in fact he has the easiest time sensing other people’s emotions. A flaw for a Jedi, yes. Indara even has to remind Sol of this as he seems to be able to mix up other’s emotions for his own. But if this wasn’t such a big issue prior to Brendok it shows that Sol is on the path to mastering his ability of empathy. The events on Brendok show that the he’s yet to compose himself and can be rattled. Even after 16 years of training his strength is shown to be a weakness after the fight with Qimir. Jedi aren’t perfect , that is why they continually training and improve their command over themselves to bring inner peace. And most don’t succeed in this live long goal in life to fight inner peace and break down their hubris. Those that do become one with the force and can appear as force ghosts so Yoda, Qui-gon, Obi-wan, Anakin, Luke, and Leia. In the Clone Wars Jedi are constantly folding to their emotions. They aren’t infallible to emotional out bursts or being driven by emotions. It’s how they respond is more critical of following the Jedi way. The council told the Brendok team to leave the coven alone. The selfish actions of two different groups of people led to the tragedy in the classical sense on Brendok. Sol’s team didn’t know about the embryo moth colony nor ask specifically what was in the forest, they were only asking for Kelnacca. Venestra’s team were investigating and found out about the moth colony. Sure I guess on the infiltration to be identified later. Different approach to get into a secure facility. Finds another access point later and uses that instead. Fine. Sol has the inkling that Mae could have lived and Mae could be the assassin but he buries the thought. Osha confirms that inkling because he trusts Mae and has the ability to sense emotions. Thousands of Jedi died during Order 66 causing a massive shift in the force. Yoda didn’t sense the deaths but that shift within the light side. He didn’t sense Mace’s death or the Jedi that went to arrest Sidious. 10 Jedi dying isn’t a big enough shift. It’s a tragic loss. Torbin sensed Indara’s death because he was her padawan. There is an attachment there. Yoda senses Anakin’s anger because Anakin is a vergence and that nexus of force energy is swaying to the dark side. It’s like watching ripples in a pond if the cause of the ripple isn’t strong enough or you didn’t see the cause it could be imperceptible. Sith have a line of succession with the Rule of 2. To get to Sidious, there must be at least one active Sith during the time of The Acolyte. That is information we have as outside observers. Mundi was not lying, he is making an assumption based on the Jedi order’s knowledge that the Sith religion was banned from being practiced and are wiped out in their minds. He states this assumption based on willful ignorance despite the account Qui-gon brought forward. Even in the Scene in The Acolyte with Mundi that small council discussed Mae being, which Yord took footage that was the point of that binocular scene, trained in Jedi arts possibly from a different sect. Mundi’s birthday hasn’t been canon since 2012 when legends was De-canonized. The inside guide took its info from legends materials so ipso facto Mundi’s birthday is not canon. What is happening now is canon. Which you state? The Force created Anakin as an immunity response. Mae and Osha were once a single being split into two from the Force being manipulated. You do you if you want to piece meal the Star Wars together using old and some new. There have been plenty of accounts of Jedi being overly emotional and not composed in the face of their fatal flaw as a character. The Jedi were never meant to be the bastion of righteousness and heroism, something Lucas states in an interview not wanting them to be seen as superheroes. The writing of The Acolyte is not bad, the string and pulleys are exposed so you can see the wizard’s falsehoods. That doesn’t make for bad writing you see the trick of storytelling. But whatever do you.

[@darkguardian1314]

Rogue One was in 2016 and that was nearly ten years ago. The Acolyte is a victim of reshoots and rewrites like patching an old torn blanket. If there's a story here, it was told very poorly. And let's not forget the poor prescreening with focus groups leading to the reshoots and rewrites. It's not just the Star Wars Superfans and general public disliking it. Critics like Grace Randolph thinks it was a disappointment. Twins of the Force that flip from good to bad depending on what the other twin is feeling like a quantum pair had potential. For me, I'm done with the whole franchise. It's FUBAR.

[@MasticinaAkicta]

Ah rogue one. It was fresh, interesting, different. And yes it is good. One of the FEW good things Disney Star Wars did.

[@m.j.schmidt2302]

One of the most calm and best analyses. Every point is well brought to the core, really good work. Thanks for your perspective! Jedi behavior, Disney StarWars, consistency of the characters' actions, everything in terms of the lore... really well done! Best wishes from Germany

[@homebass3426]

Every criticism I have personally watched on KZbin has been 100% criticizing the terrible writing, the destruction of lore, the characters constantly changing motivations without a clear reason as to why, the fact that 1 "sith" went up against multiple Jedi Knights, a Master and a few padawan and destroyed them, the quick and easy death of a Jedi Master. I can continue... My point is the narrative that there is some kind of bigoted hate against the show is just wrong. There are probably a few out there but they are the minority. Now its almost impossible to not bring up the obvious political motives for parts of the show. The fact that the only one that gives Smiley (as you call him) any sort of challenge is the PADAWAN girl boss which is a joke. If they wanted her to kick ass like that at least make her a knight. Nobody would complain nearly as much but to have a padawan be the only form of resistance against him is silly. Its like putting a child up against Mike Tyson in his prime. The child is not going to stand even a sliver of a chance.

[@liamdean3478]

In fact, this story could be handled with the same thrilling suspense as "Alien," instead of the current mess it is.

[@giorgosgernas9698]

At this point the most honest review for this is it's absence from all the top 10 charts on Nielsen

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

I agree the show has really bad writing, bad editing, bad direction, and bad acting. I don't agree with any of the lore concerns. 1. Ki Adi Mundi's age was never considered canon by George Lucas. 2. It seems pretty clear that neither Ki Adi Mundi, nor the council, nor Venestra will ever receive confirmation from Sol nor Osha nor Mae that they encountered an actual practitioner of the Sith religion. 3. In the films, Ki Adi Mundi is depicted as a condescending ignorant foolhardy blowhard, who is wrong about literally everything he says. Go back and check it out. Every time he opens his mouth, he is hilariously myopic and wrong about what he is saying. This is true in 'The Clone Wars' TV show as well. I think Lucas actually intended his character to serve the sole purpose of making us question Yoda's judgement in who is allowed to be on the council. 4. The twins are to answered prayers as Anakin is to Jesus Christ himself. 5. Vergence does not equal chosen one. The Jedi Temple, on Coruscant, is built on top of a vergence in The Force. Darth Sidious's secret base of operations on Moraband/Korriban is built on a vergence in The Force. The dark cave on Dagoba is a vergence in The Force. A vergence is simply a powerful concentration of The Force, always stationary and limited in range, with one notable exception. That one exception is Anakin, the only walking talking vergence in galactic history. 'The Acolyte' does not change any of that, nor diminish any of that.

[@dredhed0]

Yoda knew that the Sith existed in TPM. I think that the high council knew that the sith were out there….somewhere. Plageous found out about the twins which led him to attempt to create life. Sol was a terrible Jedi. Killing Torbin was bad writing. Killing Indara was bad writing.

[@GuiltlessGear]

I gotta love these kinds of reviews for high-visibility, widely maligned franchise slop, trying their damndest to be fair and divorced from the political battlegrounds, only to come to the conclusion that, yes, it really is that bad.

[@hakimzane]

You know what's really shitty? Is that it's going to get a season 2....ugh.

[@SamMontoya]

There are fundamental misunderstandings about the material they were meant to write about, and the inability to write a good story. Some of the writers aren't Star Wars fans, which is fine. However, they didn't seemingly do any real homework. When the "Sith" acts more like a Jedi than the Jedi, there's a problem. This is all similar to other recent offerings from entertainment mediums where writers are basically writing themselves into the narrative. I wouldn't mind this in an indie film, or some other context where I seek that type of content out. However, this is Star Wars with a budget of $180M USD. To be clear, George wasn't the best dialog writer either. Some of the lines were clunky, and that was part of the charm. The key was the story, the plot, and how everything tied together. Paper thin plot with people that don't act like people, and motivations that change at the drop of a hat. It's just bad writing.

[@peterrex8191]

You put a lot more thought into a show called the Acolyte..than the actual creators of the show called the Acolyte…

[@ratedg5039]

I completely agree. Disney Star Wars is NOT canon.

[@xk1390]

Great analysis, I'm glad I found the video.

[@JoeySaps]

The Acolyte is as canon as Star Wars Holiday Special

[@willfilmon182]

Special is bad but is still better than acolyte.

[@Hellgrinde]

Well said 👍

[@coolcats4summer82]

Really enjoyed the video and your insights.

[@montelreynolds]

You tell the truth about the real and the fake. Good knowledge of the lore you have. Good job young Jedi.

[@lordteensie6156]

It's kind of funny, Lee is far and away the best actor in the series and you could argue his performance is too emotional, some real you can't win type shit

[@sfkeepay]

I have zero problem with the Force “making” the twins. It takes nothing away from Anakin - why should it? The Force interacts with the Star Wars universe through a cornucopia of manifestations…why does it break cannon to simply add one more, particularly as it is associated with Force-wielding witches, a group that hasn’t yet been pinned down to any strict limitations? The Acolyte handles it just fine. I don’t agree that it was necessary, but they apparently wanted it, or needed it, for the story, so it was okay with me. A far better example of poor storytelling judgment when it comes to the Force is, of course, the sequel trilogy. The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker properly earned the ire and wrath of Star Wars fans, randomly and blithely throwing in new Force abilities whenever they felt like. But I whole heartedly agree that several Jedi behaved in incredibly un-Jedi ways, too often to the point of being essentially inexplicable. I can’t understand what the hell the writers were thinking. On the whole, though, I liked the Acolyte I guess more than most. I acknowledge some of it is actually unwatchable, at least for me. But enough is fine, and some of it is great, so….

[@B42UC4]

Even if you knew nothing about Star Wars, the writing is so bad that the characters need to be complete idiots for the plot to advance. The show is bad, even if it is not a Star Wars show.

[@rickrollrizal]

They're looking for the force vergence using devices, it's the force right? Jedi are trained to sense the force. Not use devices.

[@MindofObscurik]

Yeah but they couldn't sense Anakin either... it was only when Anakin revealed he was a pod-racer that Qui-gon's interest was peaked so I'm assuming that it's not like they can sense a vergence. They needed proof that someone the soil, plant-life etc was being nourished or someone affected by a possible force vergence in order to be sure and even if it wasn't (let's just say) you would need to study the plants/minerals/soil to see WHAT is causing it and so you can rule out other options it's just good science/research.

[@rickrollrizal]

@@MindofObscurik personally the bad writing started with the prequels and just went downhill after.

[@tbirdguy1]

Yes, as a lifelong fan, a fan of Ahsoka, Andor, and even TLJ... It is terrible, and simply should not have been made.

[@yagamifire7861]

Ahsoka is about equally poorly written

[@mcmims]

If all they want is casual viewers then yeah this is fine but that’s shooting your franchise in the foot.

[@Deuteromis]

That's what happens when you water down a franchise.

[@wegojinx7053]

the jedi uses conventional tools , why not use multiple probing droids with this technology to cover more ground , why not use the spaceship to scan the planet itself

[@MindofObscurik]

Yeah I did imply that myself, but to fair maybe they wanted Jedi there to see if they could sense something as unlikely as it but you never know sometimes they might just catch a small "oh something feels off here" plus they can be on the planet and give a more detailed descriptive report. Smells, Vibe, changes in weather patterns, what they heard, sensed, did they dream what did they dream of? could it be connected to the force etc Jedi use a mixture of tools and their senses when investigating things I imagine particularly when investigating something force related as it can be so mysterious even to them at times.

[@wegojinx7053]

@MindofObscurik you are implying they did that. that was never shown.... visual storytelling is just as important as scripted storytelling. let the audience see what you explained furthermore Queen Aneseya stated We were "persecuted hunted misunderstood" why would she have a change of heart with no character development. This show is not written well. I wish I carry your insight. and can enjoy the show I simply can't

[@MindofObscurik]

@@wegojinx7053 OHH you didn't watch the video

[@Deuteromis]

At first they show was really just mid that suffers from the writing. As the series progressed, the writing has gotten bad, making the show bad. Headland went on an interview for the Mary Sue where she had to explain what's going on in the show. More proof that the writing is bad.

[@scotttimbrell8632]

And contridicts herself within her damage control in that interview a few times. Its so hard to watch.

[@yurikendal4868]

None of these jedis in the show are stable

[@omgwtfrofltomato]

If there's anything to sincerely praise the acolyte for, it's that I'm getting introduced to all these dope smaller channels riding the acolyte algorithm wave. +1 sub.

[@TrueVerdeth]

in regards to the fight scenes, are they on a level of 180m $ worth ? i dont think so also i think its fine for a "fanfiction" like this to exists to cater to the "MAJORITY" (look at the actual minutes watched), this should show disney to advertise their shows and movies accordingly, not just "its the gayest star wars ever LOL *flails with hands due to reasons?*" ( to me this was more mocking, takeing a shit on us)

[@MindofObscurik]

well I mean it's definitely not 180m worth but NO star wars fight has been... that budget for was EVERYTHING IN the show so let's be fair and say is it worth what it should of been which is maybe 2-3 million $ for prepping and such and I say it could of been way worse look at some of the scenes in the sequel trilogy where their swinging their lightsabers like baseball bats. I get you tho like for that kind of money and such it could be better with better thought put into it but 180m$ is spread across, locations, studios, editing, lighting, script, etc etc.

[@TrueVerdeth]

@@MindofObscurik fair, then again i dont really see the overall value in it, neither actor (mainly amandla) nor script

[@MindofObscurik]

@@TrueVerdeth I get that

[@marcusclark1339]

is it ba-YES no need to say HONEST when its APPARENT a story about devaluing the lore and history to aggrandize itself as being more important, pure narcissism of Disney Star Wars stepping on the backs of the past to boost itself up

[@hibox699android8]

Acolyte is worst than that. It's totally writer-director-actor disaster. Nothing good about that show...

[@geoffhelsom8906]

Love your view and your review. Great video.

[@MindofObscurik]

Thanks so much!

[@itsjusttap3010]

Apparently from a co worker of mine this era of Jedi are encouraged to be a little more expressive. Weird considering we’re talking the same order that been around for centuries / a really long fucking time

[@RH1812]

It’s not as bad as She Hulk…so there’s that

[@MindofObscurik]

LOL!!!! that's true 😂

[@gaddaitherage8204]

I think the show has a great concept-- it is a tragedy caused by misunderstanding. But the plot points are strung together by nonsensical character decisions with stupid setups. Characters are boringly written and they placed the wrong focus. Mae and Osha are supposed to be special but are just walking Mcguffins. I don’t sense a bond between the two. They also should spend more time emphasizing Sol and Osha’s relationship and how he has gotten so attached to her. Make the show 45mins each and really flush out the scenarios. With what they have now, I don’t even know who they are trying to get us to root for. There is no urgency in these fights. I don’t really care who wins or lose.

[@kevinp_25]

This feels like the most objective review on why so many of us so strongly dislike this series. Thank you.

[@uuddlrlrbas9904]

Verisimilitude, the universe of the acolyte ignores george lucas universe and his lore and style breaking our suspension of disbelief, is constantly ignored to give leslye headland what she wants.

[@MindofObscurik]

Just learned a new word! yeah that basically sums it up nicely.

[@Lurkai]

I’m only 16min into this video and you’ve done such a great breakdown of the things done wrong as well as pointing out the potential the show has. Potential that was unfortunately tarnished 🤷🏾‍♂️ At least in my opinion. There are interesting bits but they are so far in between and when they do come up, we only get brief glimpses. I will say you handled this kind of critique very well and articulated. And also were very kind, no harsh words or even so much a cuss word! lol Much better than some larger channels have. No major offense to them, they are free to express themselves how they want (albeit with respect hopefully) but with such a big following I personally hold them to a much higher standard. As Ive seen them output critiques with more poise and grace, like you have thus far. You’ve earned a sub from me Mr. Obscurik 🙏🏾😌

[@MindofObscurik]

Ah, to be fair I can be horribly immature in videos haha but the fact is I felt this subject needed more maturity just because the overall tribalism attached to this

[@Lurkai]

@@MindofObscurik yeah there has definitely been some piranha pots dedicated to eating up and spitting out the bones of what the script has given audiences. Though it’s a breath of fresh air to hear a more sensible overview and criticism that still gives the show some props and even decent feedback Like I honestly didn’t think about the bug scene part. Had that other jedi not mentioned the species by name, im sure the previous episode depicting them would’ve worked a bit better. Though I’ll be honest, I half expect all jedi of those from the inner rims who work like the Jedi do to be knowledgeable about most of the planets and wildlife in the galaxy. Star Wars doesn’t always do a good job at letting audiences know how connected the universe really is. We kind of just take it as is with each planet and life on it being the backdrop, then letting the scene and character immerse us in the atmosphere.

[@Lurkai]

@@MindofObscurikalso I will say your alternate plot about the Acolyte sounds so much more interesting tbh Personally had the same idea though in reverse. It starts with a dark side user who is drawn to the light but ultimately due to choices within the plot has to go through path of the dark side and then by the end he realizes the Jedi are not what they really want to be apart of and gets his “dream killed” and decides to go through with becoming a dark acolyte(maybe potential plaguies apprentice before Palps??)

[@justhefacts8358]

They sent jeti knights to collect soil//mineral samples.... please stop this nonsense 🙏

[@MindofObscurik]

You've never read star wars books, or comics or anything have you... If you did you'd know Jedi Knights do ALOT of different things, from humanitarian efforts to negotiations, to research, to agricultural efforts etc etc. Jedi are not space cops their an order that studies and immerses itself within the force and use their abilities as peacekeepers for the republic. They do ALOT of different things lol, you could make a quick google search if you don't wanna bother reading the books.

[@Deuteromis]

I can see that since they have Jedi who do go on missions like that. What gets me is the fact that they took Torbin on this mission and didn't tell him why they were there until he started b*tching and moaning 7 weeks after being there. Or the fact that he doesn't know what a vergince is and how he just doesn't care.

[@justhefacts8358]

@@MindofObscurik so basically the jeti were just regular Joes with regular jobs lol 😂

[@MindofObscurik]

@@justhefacts8358 How did you get that from what I said... look if you don't know much about Jedi beyond what you've seen in some movies you've not read the books or done any research that's okay, The Jedi believe in bettering things when they can within reason they have a very holistic and spiritual approach to the galaxy, they study the force by any means and try to help those to ask for it as long as it doesn't create political upheaval or disrupt the peace. if you read the books you'll see times and mentions of Jedi who are studying ruins that might relate or provide more information about the force, they'll help communities if they can, they'll send Jedi out to investigate situations like these as it pertains to the force as there's a possible force vergence on the planet because of life seemingly appearing on said planet despite being declared lifeless due to cataclysm. Again just search it up to inform yourself there's much information out there on it if you don't wanna read the books this was the vision of the Jedi George Lucas approved of and help create. Being peacekeepers and warriors was only part of the order not everything.

[@justhefacts8358]

@@MindofObscurik question for you, who do you think sweeps the floor at the jeti temple? Or does the dishes? They probably have droids for that right but not the scanning or collecting samples, please it just shows the writers didn't bother to think about it.

[@once-ler9090]

i’ve seen that the writers haven’t seen star wars

[@WreakHvok]

It doesn’t matter if it’s bad.. it takes everything that is Star Wars and is trying to change it into its own thing.. it’s one thing it Headland was going to part of the franchise from now on but she may get one one season… if that!! And then she’ll run off with the big pay check never to think of Star Wars again.. all these videos defending this show are ridiculous.. and I’m not saying your defending the show because I didn’t watch your video.. but I watched the acolyte and it is absolutely horrible and disrespectful to Star Wars fans that have been consuming everything and supporting the franchise.. most people for over 20 years.. it’s highly offensive the the core fans to be dealing with this foolishness… not everything last forever but these people in charge now clearly hate the fans… you can hear it in their hubris and in their words in their interviews

[@MindofObscurik]

Totally agree... Also kinda rude to drop into the comment section and not at least give my video a shot... 😩

[@WreakHvok]

@@MindofObscurik I’m going to watch the watch the video… I need needed to chunk out 30 mins my bad bro I got you.. I am subscribed

[@Akbar_and_Shaa]

Wait lucas approved alot but has stated he didnt read most of it. He didnt consider eu canon.

[@MindofObscurik]

Theres a quote from George Lucas that explaines his stance and also explains the general sentiments of the fans "There are two worlds here ... There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe - the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe." He also gave his permission to make those books it was under his license and his go ahead. so basically even if George always felt he was handling the movie side the book and games and etc were a separate issue and they didn't intrude on his vision and there was harmony between the expanded universe of games and books and movies there was synergy and co-operation, George always has last say as he's the creator he gets that privilege, The problem with Disney instead of looking at the canon of the movies and saying we can't contradict the plot and sentiments presented in the movies they've written this series to be a show that breaks canon understanding of abilities, integrity, protocol all established in the movies as well as books but ironically more so the movies.

[@micahflanders6789]

Great video

[@MindofObscurik]

Thank you! 🙂

[@micahflanders6789]

Just glad to finally hear someone else discuss this show more fairly. All the bad faith arguments on both sides made me avoid watching it altogether.

[@MindofObscurik]

@@micahflanders6789 I felt the same like I didn't like the show overly either but I heard so many people just hating on stuff that wasn't even really a problem or even making up arguments that didn't make sense and then people on the opposite side to say why it's good and doing the same thing ... I just wanted to be like let's just be mature about this lol.

[@DaleESkywalker]

5:30 No, the Jedi have never faced Sith. They probably do make the rank of Knight without much experience, but they still have to pass the trials. Fighting Sith isn't in the trials. Jeckie is the powerful Jedi of the group's Padawan. Jeckie is a half-breed and they usually end up fighting harder because they're discriminated against, making her relatable to reality. She's also his final attacker aside from Sol. If she saw what his cortosis helmet could do, she wouldn't get outsmarted by him, repel and avoid his attacks.

[@DaleESkywalker]

8:45 I agree. They should've been able to see a huge castle-mine structure on top of a mountain and checked that out first. But.... for storytelling purposes... Seven weeks isn't too long for instructions to search section by section. I've heard some crazy things about how a planet only has one entry point.

[@liamdean3478]

In fact, Anakin Skywalker's incarnation by Foce should be understood as a side effect of the Sith's attempts to manipulate the Force. The Sith never successfully controlled midi-chlorians to create life; rather, their disruption of the Force stimulated it to create Anakin on its own. Additionally, I believe that the story set before Episode I could focus on exploring how the Sith experimented with manipulating the Force. They would engage in various strange practices and undoubtedly implement their plans in unknown corners of the galaxy, setting the stage for a series of thrilling stories. Another intriguing aspect worth exploring is who initiated the prophecy of the Chosen One; this is a topic that deserves further investigation.

[@liamdean3478]

One could even hypothesize that a thousand years before Episode I, during the prolonged conflict between the Jedi and the Sith, there was a special individual who helped the Jedi completely turn the tide, ultimately defeating the Sith and establishing a thousand years of peace. This person could be seen as the first manifestation of the Force's vengeance, and it could be prophesied that he would return in the future, or something along those lines. Okay, I know this resembles the prophecy of Christ's second coming, and as a Christian myself, I actually really like this idea.

[@liamdean3478]

More like the prophecy of The One in the Matrix I guess.🤣🤣😉Which means Neo should be introduce as a Jedi too as well as Master Trinity, you know.😂🤣🤣🤣

[@liamdean3478]

Vergence I mean，sorry😉

[@MindofObscurik]

@@liamdean3478 Haha I like it, and as head-canon that's a fun idea that also establishes the origin for the prophecy that an individual will come to bring balance to the force. I would probably add that they themselves were not considered the first force vergence in order to keep the mystique around Anakin as the chosen one and only living breathing force vergency but make it so that somehow maybe through a vergence in a location a very powerful Jedi manage to AMP all their sense reaching into the future and managed to sense Anakin and such.

[@liamdean3478]

@@MindofObscurik Very exciting idea you have. I like it!

[@kuquidav]

I totally agree with you, man. About everything.

[@Aygross]

Yes, your welcome i just saved you 33 minutes .

[@toxicanimeguy4067]

The last episode hasn't released yet. I'm guessing Plageuis will be revealed to have created the twins. If that is true then the biggest problem of the show is fixed

[@Soulasiangod]

if i look at the high republic logically the jedi had nothing better to do but collect force children which resulted in weaker jedi becoming knights like public school in IRL. they had so much jedi the sent them on random mission to find vengeance or to dangerous places that normal people wouldn't explore. so jedi dying and being weak wouldn't be surprising to someone like Yoda same way someone getting sh0t isn't surprising to us today. i say all this to say what they wrote makes perfect sense if you are thinking of its logic but not to much as fiction it was created from. another example of this is quimir taking a bath in IRL if you get in a dirty sweaty fight with a lot of people and bugs, you'll want to take a bath to get the dirt, sweat, blood, and bug parts of you when you get home but because star wars don't have people taking baths on top of peeping toms the scene seems more out of place than it really is

[@MindofObscurik]

I see your point but the fact is that much dark side power being used would be felt by Yoda and also if you remember, The High Council were left in the dark about this mission, As Vern said she didn't want to inform them as then they'd have to inform the senate which wouldn't be a good look. Logically speaking Yoda would be the first one to be inquiring and they'd have to tell him. Also again no Jedi don't just promote them easier because nothing better to do like public school. It's not like they feel the need to make more of them at risk of having under-performing Jedi out there giving them a bad name or putting themselves or others in danger etc Jedi are big on that, and also even if let's say because their have been no Sith or frequency of dark Jedi to contend with so their saber skills are not up to par (despite Kenobi and Qui-Gon's first fight wit ha Sith went way better) that doesn't explain how Jecki was able to contend with Qimir at all she should of been EVEN worse than the ones he took out (it was her first day, if she died in like 2 seconds, then that scene is way better cause that means we can assume the level here is very high and Sol is the only one who could fight him somewhat evenly but then Jecki thing is what throws it out of wack.) I'll explain a few points to help you understand. you have to apply the logic of the world that's been built because that's the world it takes place in. I can't apply real life logic to LOTR or Marvel or anything like that because there may be factors in that world that don't apply to real life. 1. A large amount of children are sent to various service corps within the Jedi to help the Jedi order when they show they are not fit for Jedi roles through training as a youngling, yes some don't even make Padawan to begin going on missions because they can't be trusted to do the right thing or possess the skills to protect themselves and be an aide to their Master, They don't push low performing people through cause they have nothing better to do actually the opposite would be more accurate as they had nothing better to do than focus on upping the quality of the Jedi coming out of the order as they had no major threats to contend with. 2. The Jedi are careful about things like an inability to control emotions because it can lead to falling to the Darkside this is why they despite possibly recruiting and acknowledging hundreds of thousands of force sensitives confidering est. 1 in 12,000 people show force sensitivity they only have had around 10,000 active Jedi (not masters, Just Jedi so even if I'm being generous as saying knight's and above) at any one time, that's still a huge gap letting you how many people don't make the ranks and are either sent to service corps to serve the Jedi in other ways or they just leave the order to continue their lives. 3. Also I appreciate your point again but Jedi getting taken down during this time I do believe happened but it wasn't common so many at one time within a space of minutes would alert any Jedi that sensed it, It would be the same as a mass ******** where it's all over the news internationally and everyone heard about it IRL so Yoda would of not only noticed but been SUPER concerned. I mean this with all sincerity if your genuinely curious, read some books, look up the history how they train and promote etc all that stuff watch the movies and clone wars etc all the info is there about how they operate and put a big emphasis making sure Jedi are wise, capable, reliable as otherwise they'd be a danger to not just themselves but other people, their master, the order, the republic. (not sure if your not aware or if your just playing devils-advocate) (TLDR: You can't really apply IRL logic to a fictional world and says that's okay because well the events are taking place in a fictional world) I appreciate your comment and hope I didn't offend or come off in a negative way (tone is so hard to express in writing lol)

[@JumpingJack6]

Yes, it really is that bad... worse if you try to get deeper in the analysis -- the writing is just utterly atrocious. It seems like it was written by a 3-toed sloth in a fentanyl induced coma.

[@rolon-will3362]

I think this video is very fair. I think there are two distinct groups of reasons this series has put people off. The Acolyte feels like Star Wars made be people who don’t like or respect Star Wars. It feels like it constantly misses the mark, just not really part of the universe in vibe. Secondly, it feels very poorly planned and scripted. The plot doesn’t seem solid and you end up questioning everything that happens. Despite the huge budget, it has a very amateurish lack of solidity. The story telling is very flawed, and in an IP where story is everything it’s jarring. I find it very hard to believe that a dedicated fan could enjoy The Acolyte, enjoying it almost feels like an unintentional admission that you haven’t paid any attention to what Star Wars is. I really think this is the worst Disney Star Wars so far, just based on how jarring and difficult to understand the very mushy plot and poorly defined characters are. I completely agree that it is virtually impossible as a fan to be immersed in this.

[@MindofObscurik]

100% agree

[@thewatkinsdeadandbreakfast]

My general overall impression is that this show started out a script treatment for a 90 Disney+ movie to launch this extended prequel universe of Star Wars, that execs decided should be rushed into an 8 episode show instead to keep people returning back to watch week after week as opposed to just watching it once, then tuning to something else. That would help to explain the lack of depth in the narrative and character development that was sorely needed instead of the boring and awkward exposition dumps, obvious twists and plot contrivances, and poor pacing issues of the show we got.

[@boozetheghost149]

This whole "you're not a dedicated fan if you enjoy The Acolyte" narrative is so overused to me. No one should have to revere every piece of SW content from the pre-Disney era to call themselves a fan of the franchise. If George wanted to flesh everything out and define what Star Wars is 100%, then he wouldn't have contradicted the ancillary material/his own movies multiple times and he wouldn't have sold to Disney. This show has issues, but so did everything that came before it. Star Wars has never and will never be exactly what every "true" fan wants, which is why it has true staying power and why we keep watching. We wait for what resonates with us personally and cherish when that happens. This show is being held to a standard that is unfair considering what's come before it. I don't see why this story can't be told in this universe exactly how it has been, but you tell me, "true fan".

[@rolon-will3362]

@@boozetheghost149 so you don’t like The original Star Wars material, but you do like the flawed Disney stuff that doesn’t fit in and is hard to watch, mainly because of the poor writing? Hmmm. You can like whatever you want, but I grew up watching Star Wars weekly on VHS, in the 80s, with friends I still speak with. I would love to have enjoyed Disney’s output, but most of it, I feel, falls well short of the mark. It’s just not well written enough, feels painfully inauthentic, and The Acolyte has really been the lowest point so far (plenty of competition though). I’ve received this same sentiment from all the people I’ve been discussing Star Wars with for the last 40 years. I really enjoyed Rogue One, I feel that is head and shoulders above the rest of Disney SW. First two seasons of Mando were ok. You will hear this again and again… there is a good reason for this. I’m going to guess you are young. If you prefer Disney SW then good for you. But surely you suspect you’re maybe missing something if your opinion is so far away from people who have spent half a lifetime watching and reading all the original material? Are you arguing with someone else in another comment section that Tolkien was too bland to have achieved anything to the standards of The Rings of Power? It just feels like young people are so desperate to have something of their own in these super unoriginal times that they’re willing to burn down the great stuff from the past. It’s really quite sad.

[@rolon-will3362]

@@boozetheghost149 You’re probably going to do some insults about me being old about blah blah. I don’t want to patronise you, but how many hours have you spent watching The Acolyte? Because I have worn out several tapes of Episodes 4, 5 and 6. From 5 years old I met up with my friend Jon almost every Saturday, with one of us being dropped off at the others house with two plastic bags full of SW figures. We’d watch SW, and then redo scenes building the sets with books and cardboard. For years! Other toys and films went away, but people I hung out with carried on quoting Star Wars all the way up the prequels in my late teens. It’s virtually impossible to express to young people who have grown up with the internet and social media, but Star Wars means a lot to the people who grew up with it in a less media filled time, and it’s woven into their lives in a way it’s difficult for someone like yourself to understand. I’m not saying this to put you down, but before you insist I take Disney SW as seriously as old SW, maybe you can watch The Acolyte 20 times or 50 times and tell me if there’s enough depth there for 40+ years of enjoyment? I’ll be totally honest with anyone reading this, if you haven’t watched the original trilogy at least 20+ times then I don’t think you can call yourself a fan. I’m a fan of many things, and the way I can tell this is that I rewatch, re-listen and reread them again and again and again… until they’re ingrained into me. A lot of young people now don’t really do this. They just say they like something to appear interesting, or to join in. Please go watch The Acolyte 20+ times and come back and let me know if it can really sit next the first 6 films. Let me point out that you don’t even know if you like the ending yet!

[@emorsi]

Well... one of their major goals was to rewrite StarWars as they see fit. So lets do them this favor and NOT acknowledging the show as anything StarWars related. So, now, they have their own universe, devoid of any major audiences. Well, they did their job THIS good.

[@MindofObscurik]

Facts.

[@corporalturner]

1:32 - Not implied. When he says "Yoda, The jedi master that instructed me". Since he was still a padawan after Qui-Gon's death. He probably took Obi-Wan under his wing to farther his way to master. And in ROTS at the end Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he has training for him to speak to Qui-Gon's force ghost.

[@MindofObscurik]

True but Obiwan was promoted to Jedi Knight straight after the battle of Naboo and immediately began training Anakin in which he was promoted to Jedi Master in Clone Wars the Animated series (the 2d not the 3d animation) when Anakin passed his trials immediately showing Obiwans capacity to be a Jedi Master in which the council approved because Obiwan was highly respected among the order and high council. I see what you saying as Yoda would of guided him in his years a Knight teaching Anakin and such and guide/instructed are semantics but the fact is the way it was implied was that Yoda was THE Jedi Master who instructed him no one of the Jedi Masters who instructed him (we all can look back and assume what he meant by this but at the time of the release this would imply Yoda was his only master as their was no other lore to inform or understand how the Jedi operated overall such as one dedicated master and many masters overall to instruct or guide over time.)

[@Deuteromis]

Also there is the fact that Obi-Wan probably did tell Luke about Qui Gon off screen. And Yoda was still alive, who else was going to train Luke?

[@majorblurred]

Completely agree with this entire video. Where can I watch your BF edit?

[@Rdj00100]

I can't believe how stupid the use of the word cannon is.

[@chocolatebar6785]

7:23 to be fair the jedi did not have to fight another lightsaber user, let alone a sith for a thousand years and mostly had to deal with planet politics or at worse criminal/terrorist groups like the nihil that + jecki having a more agressive style(form IV ataru+jar’kai) would help alot in keeping up with qimir compared to the other jedi who probably used a mixture of form I, III or VI though it still begs the question of why she uses a green lightsaber, since green is usally used by jedi who focus more into knowledge and wisdom than combat

[@thewatkinsdeadandbreakfast]

I'm not enough into Star Wars to speak on those fighting styles that you mention, but the issue for me falls back to the bad writing and show structure. There's little to no foreshadowing for us to infer that Jecki has these fighting abilities. From what I can recall of the show, the most we see of her training, is the class with padawans practicing with staffs and it looks pretty basic level stuff, not even mid level, and certainly not advanced enough to account for her holding her own against Mae is their fight scene, and definitely not against Qimir, particularly to the level of fighting with two lightsabers. If the show had hour long episodes so that they could spend more time building up these characters, showing Jecki sparring with other padawans to show her hand to hand fighting skills, and even if still practicing with staffs, showing her skills wielding a light saber, to make her fight scenes at least more grounded in reality. Instead she's just better than Jedi masters because the plot says so.

[@JonO387]

Lost me at liking Rogue One. Disney "Star Wars" is not and will never be Star Wars.

[@WreakHvok]

I agree with you the fight scenes were decent.. not as bad as people are making out.. Your assessment of the Jedi was really on point also.. And the contradictions to the lore are also disturbing

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

I agree that it is jarring to see so many Jedi acting with so much emotion. However, I don't actually think this is as unbelievable as people think. I think we have a certain sampling bias, from the films. The Jedi we follow in the movies are all exceptional members of the order. Aside from Anakin, they are all either members of the Jedi High Council or Jedi of sufficient power and experience to be on the council. That actually means more than I think a lot of people realize. There are actually 4 Jedi Councils. The High Council, The Council of First Knowledge, The Council of Reconciliation, and The Council of Reassignment. Only the greatest of all Jedi would be considered for the High Council. So, we have really only been exposed to absolute paragons of the order. Rank and file Jedi are even more stratified. It's actually only a small percentage of younglings who are ever chosen as a Padawan, and it's only a small percentage of _them,_ who successfully achieve the rank of Knight instead of washing out and being reassigned by the Council of Reassignment, to one of the many functional rankings and assignments of the order. Continuing, only _some_ knights are judged to have sufficient skill and control to be allowed to take a Padawan to train. Most Knights remain Knights for the rest of their lives and never even take a Padawan, and many who do, essentially fail to fully train their Padawan. Anakin himself is actually an example of this, having failed to convince Ahsoka to remain in the order after her trials. I actually find it refreshing to follow lower order Knights and Padawans who are not paragons of the order. If you consider the plot, they would _have_ to be lesser Jedi. Members of the High Council would have handled the situation easily and deftly. If Indara were a better Master, she would have been able to control Torbin. If Kelnaca were a better Knight, he may have been able to resist the coven. If Sol was actually ready to take a Padawan, he wouldn't be projecting his own feelings onto everyone else, and he wouldn't be so reactive. Finally, collectively, these are Jedi who have been assigned to survey what is thought to be an uninhabited planet, which _might_ have something interesting on it. There is nothing about who they are in the order nor their assignment that suggests any of them are particularly good Jedi. Where I agree with your criticism, is the Jedi sent to find and protect Kelnaca. Jecki is the only one who seems to understand how a Jedi should handle such a situation. It's strange that a Padawan is the most competent of the group, both in strategy and in combat.

[@btipton115]

People want to see Jedi flaws but to show them this flawed makes them not feel like Jedi and it’s breaks the emersion. None of the Jedi characters have that Jedi feel.

[@rosumparat]

This is what happens when you let an activist in charge or the biggest pop culture franchise.

[@alexisdalmeida2147]

It's not because she's an activist, it's just unimaginable incompetence, she probably got the job because she's an activist, but that's not the reason it's bad

[@willfilmon182]

@@alexisdalmeida2147 Non activist probably wouldn't have story elements like a no men allowed lesbian space witch/wiccan cult. You have to be a good writer to make that work and not seem a little anti-men and pandering. And in this show's case also not be cringey.

[@alexisdalmeida2147]

@@willfilmon182 watch arcane, one of the best written seasons of tv, with 5 female main characters, 2 of them lesbians and it's still a master piece, activism isn't always bad. It's bad when you are super incompetent, she is so incompetent that she made all the female and lesbian characters into villains unintentionally. Trying to make them powerful and made them dumb and incompetent.

[@ChiTown2k69]

I'm sorry but I can't ...this video is good in trying to analyze what is good screenwriting but this seems more bias than following a pattern of what makes screenwriting palpable. I don't see anyone who has been critical of Acolyte thus far showing how they have a background in filmaking and screenwriting and they are acting like they are experts. For example Coleman Domingo has a movie coming out that has high scores all around...Rotten Tomatoes, Fandango, Etc. Now Acolyte has an 85 percent critics score but the bias kicks in when every KZbinr like this one seems to only focus on the Rotten Tomatoes score which is kinda non sequitur to me because Rotten Tomatoes doesn't do a survey. It simply compiles the ratings from individual rankings instead of viewership so it's a little unfair to me to say that this is a true representation of the audience. However also in this particular video I'm a little baffled by this KZbinr and describing what makes these scenes bad. For example: 1. When he describes the situation where man is walking through the forest with Master Sol and Jecki Lon and he claims that it was insensible for Osha not to tell everyone that she senses something and the writing set it up so they can be chased through the forest. Ok let's take the alternative...she senses something...alerts everyone they get into a battle with the creature? Or do they run away? Or does the creature kill them? Ok let's say all that happens...is the audience just supposed to forget that the character Sol LITERALLY just stated they don't know where they are and be careful? Do you think it makes more sense for everyone to walk slowly and make it easy for the bugs or animals to attack them? And if you don't get what I'm eluding to there is a thing in screenwriting called ....wait for it....SUSPENSE! 2. Jedi are not "acting like Jedi" ....Sol and Indara disagree and fight....Tobin tries to de escalate...ok... that's NOT trying to control emotions and focus to you? HUH?????? sooooooo by comparison Anakin being told to go after Padme and be calm is different? Is this dude paying attention? That is literally the same fucking thing. So Ben Kenobi back talking to Qui Gon in Phantom Menace somehow doesn't compare to Tobin trying to go rogue with a speeder while Sol chases him. Dude seriously is this guy actually watching what is happening or just taking time to edit text in this video??? . Yeah ok. Here's a thing...ever heard of this other little thing they teach in film school...you know CONFLICT???? Then he brings up Mae escapes through the roof. Osha was supposed to ...look up at the ceiling??? So when you enter a room a character is supposed look up because she just knows that is where Mae would go right? Even though she's IN A PLACE SHE'S NEVER BEEN???? I seriously believe this guy never watched this episode to even get context. Just clipped scenes and tries to sound knowledgeable. Oh and the bi nocs. Yes... ZOOMED in to get more FOCUS of his Master fighting someone... especially since he can't you know SEE IN THE DARK ALLEY at night? Not calling the guy in this video someone who lacks cognitive skills but like Qui Gon said " Just because a species can articulate and speak it does NOT make them intelligent." Look I'm not trying to be the only naysayer here but it is clearly obvious that all of the people making these videos claiming that their Star Wars fans really are just trying to get on the bandwagon fallacy of beiñg able to grift for THEIR channels because they aren't professional writers themselves. All while making nonsensical points while proving clearly that they NEVER been to any film school or watch movies. I am not a fan of Acolyte one way or another but trying to nit-pick things just because it's not your cup of tea need not be a new platform to try and sound knowledgeable when that's not the case. This show is only as bad as any other show. It came in 6th on the ratings. Funny how House of Dragon didn't even make the Nielsen list, but yet it automatically gets touted as the best thing ever. Well when I see the critical praise for it I'll join in, but as for Star Wars let's just let it be the niche audience it is. Opinions are fine..but let's slow down with the KZbin backlash and just the people WATCH it is all I'm saying

[@MindofObscurik]

I think it's clear you didn't watch my video or you just want to misrepresent my points or maybe you just didn't get it. 🤷

[@Lurkai]

While I can understand why your sentiment behind some channels being obvious grifters I think you are really stretching with calling Obsurik one of them. Truly, he seems the farthest from a grifter lol To explore your points btw 1. The suspense that was given in ep4 was decent HOWEVER it was completely contradicted once that other Jedi pointed out what the moth insects were. It lays out an inconsistency that some jedi know what they are but others don’t? Had he said “the wild life seemed to have been disturbed and maybe that caused the casualties” or said nothing at all, then it would’ve kept the suspense scene more believable. Sol laid out the line “we don’t know and we don’t want to know what lives out here” which insinuates they don’t know the wildlife…then another jedi identifies said wildlife and how deadly they potentially are. So in a sense, it’s not horrible writing but at the very least contradictory/inconsistent. 2. I don’t think you may have understood the reasoning for him using the clips he put out when explaining the pre established mannerisms of the Jedi. He shows that while yes, there can be a bit of conflict between Jedi, they always, always keep a level head. The scenes with Tommen and Sol are so overloaded with emotion while also conflicting with direct orders from the council that it’s baffling that they are all still Jedi at all. Granted it’s all due to Indara lying to the council that saved them, as they truly f’d up. Obiwan tells Anakin NOT to go after Padme…Anakin gets very upset and when Obiwan says “what would Padme do??” Anakin responds… “her duty…” thus calming himself and remembering the objective and to compose himself even when the literal love of his life fell out a helicopter. In the case of Obiwan and QuiGon, that wasn’t really conflict but rather Obiwan insisting on his master not defying the council, again. Meaning that he’s done this before in the past and gotten away with it….or likely hasn’t gotten away it and has been reprimanded but because QuiGon has great composure he’s been kept on. It was only AFTER QuiGon died that Obiwan opts to honor his dying wish and take Anakin in and is allowed to train him. The council literally honored QuiGon swish despite them all not wanting Anakin because he himself was, like Sol, very emotionally attached. We never get a narrative showcase as to why Sol is so emotional and not as composed, but it’s very apparent in comparison to Indara and even QuiGon, who Sol is suppose to be based off of. Also this is my own opinion, but I don’t think anybody needs to waste their time going to film-school or become a professional critic to actually criticize art. For hundreds of years, the rich and wealthy have “critiqued” art and they didn’t so much as lift a paint brush …as yet they dictate what artist get the financial provisions to output their visions?? Kind of backwards in my opinion, but that’s how life goes. I personally ignore Rotten Tomatoes…never cared for it as I could watch something and form my own opinion. Who needs the opinion of the “masses” to enjoy a piece of art. Either you like it or you don’t y’know. However, I will say that is does seem like the acolyte is making waves, and not in the best way. But any press is “good” press I guess 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@MindofObscurik]

I have degree in Film-making and worked in the industry.

[@ChiTown2k69]

@@MindofObscurik No I watched it. You’re saying I didn’t watch it when I specifically addressed things you brought up and gave counter points. In order for me to describe how you are misunderstanding the concept of how Indara was distracted, Anakin had a Palawan lineage compared to a lineage that Dooku to Yoda how you felt it was not plausible for Mae to exit through the ceiling window and how you feel that all of this is bad writing and you offer ways to make it better by suggestive subtitles at the bottom. No I watched the ENTIRE video. I UNDERSTOOD all of your points. I am just giving you the alternative perspective as to why certain themes you seem to have missed. Context and interpretation applies here that is all and that is fine.

[@ChiTown2k69]

And to be clear… I am NOT questioning your background in filmmaking or anything of the such. I actually enjoyed this discord. That’s the whole point. We should all be able to openly discuss and converse on how we interpret the art and legacy that G Lucas creates in an intelligent and mature way which I want to say on this channel you are doing a phenomenal job! Sincerely hats off to you Mind Of Obscurik! I think that you are a talented KZbinr. I am very glad that I found your channel and it was a pleasure to subscribe. As a matter of fact, I feel that your interpretation and your explanation of things is better than almost half of the KZbin channels and I have come across, so I encourage you to keep up the good work. 😊

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

The twins do not cheapen Anakin. It is implied that they were created, _using_ the Force energy of the vergence on that planet. They are powerful in The Force, but nowhere near as powerful as Anakin. Anakin is not the same thing as them. He isn't in the same ballpark. He's not even the same sport. He is _himself_ a vergence in the Force. He is a walking talking _manifestation_ of the power of The Force, incarnate. To draw from Christian mythology. The twins are like a miracle that happens when someone prays to God and God answer their prayer. Anakin is Jesus Christ himself. The fact that God sometimes answers people prayers with miracles, does not cheapen Jesus Christ.

[@joshualaynescarlett]

Fantastic review using Lucas star wars to directly compare Disney's bullshit

[@mharris3518]

No need for a 30 minute video - yes, it is that bad.

[@scotthallgv]

In a word, yes.

[@i.shuuya3231]

3:40 the sabers in the high republic, as shown in this series, are way thicker compared to the prequel trilogy. This obviously influences the possible fighting styles. It's not crazy to assume that the technology got better and more efficient, allowing more diversity and dynamism in the way people use lightsabers.

[@MindofObscurik]

Okay fair enough I could see that somewhat I mean a bit of stretch as width of hand grip will definitely affect style but overall the principles would remain the same but I don't hate the theory.

[@rebel_diamonds]

They're thicker cause they're basically Hasbro toys and they need to be thicker to fit the electronics so they can glow. The ironic part is that fanmade lightsabers are thinner and closer to movie versions and also have space for a sound card than the ones made by a multibillion corpo.

[@i.shuuya3231]

@@rebel_diamonds It's the other way around: the sabers you see in fan-made short films _are_ literally toys that last about 30 minutes on. The LED sabers you see in big productions are filmmaking tools. They may have bigger battery packs, sure. But they're also wirelessly connected to other lighting equipment so everything's perfectly synced. This is essential for the photography department. The toy lightsabers you can get for a few hundreds of dollars don't have (nor they need) antennas to work.

[@i.shuuya3231]

@@MindofObscurik I'd honestly see it as a stretch as well, but when you think about series like Ahsoka, the lightsabers got noticeable slimmer. From the production side of things, they hid the battery packs in the actors' costumes. This tells me there's intent behind those decisions, so there must be a narrative reason for it. Everything changes during wartime. Things are mass-produced, people are conscripted and trained more efficiently. I don't think it's a far-fetched idea

[@rebel_diamonds]

@@i.shuuya3231 why do they look so shit then? Esspecially in the Kenobi show where everything was oversaturated in blues? That shit wasn't connected to anything since it looked like they didn't even bother with other light sources outside the ambient light of the Volume. And at least the fanmade ones are more faithful to the movie versions than the ones used in these 100 mill+ productions that seem to be closer to the plastic overpriced Galaxy's Edge stuff. Seems that some nerd is better at compacting the electronics and making the hilts ergonomic than the Mighty Disney. Smaller batteries are just fine, since you can easily replace them between takes. The bloody thing doesn't have to last for hours at the time.

[@mattp8997]

Where can I find that Boba fett edit?

[@MindofObscurik]

I haven't uploaded it anywhere I need to figure out what the legal situation is if I do like can I upload it to my patreon but just make it free and is that legal cause I'm not making money off it etc.

[@majortom2329]

Short answer. Yes, it's that bad.

[@Piratesi666]

In your opinion. I’m enjoying it.

[@slippers8000]

​@@Piratesi666no it's definitely bad, you can enjoy bad things though.

[@Piratesi666]

@@slippers8000 Its not bad to me. So it can’t be bad.

[@fionarras4736]

Yord felt to me like an overeager but dumb beat cop out of one of Agatha Christie's old Novels in which she showed lazy or even wrongful police work. If he would have been an official from the Repulic instead of a Jedi, it would have been much more fitting and even then *sigh* his character exposition is garbage.

[@MindofObscurik]

VERY TRUE ! lol like I respect they wanted to show maybe that some Jedi vary quite a lot in terms of quirkiness or personality but again it depends HOW you do it, you right he had been some like Official of the republic sent to investigate along side the Jedi his character would be honestly perfect just an overeager wanting to please type looking for a big promotion but not knowing really what he's doing all the time.

[@fionarras4736]

@@MindofObscurik Yes, if he had some background of a Coruscant Higher Civil Servant's Son, trying to earn his merits he could have even had some conflict potential in trying to get some dirt on them or a high and mighty attitude because he is of the mighty family xyz and it would have been much more interesting.

[@kow1129]

Where can I find your Boba Fett edit??

[@MindofObscurik]

Coming soon I'll upload somewhere when I find out if it's legal lol don't wanna incur the lawyers at Disney

[@kow1129]

@@MindofObscurik is there perhaps a Google drive >.>

[@rustyricardo6532]

Yes

[@AFoxInFlames]

Its had a lot of issues story wise, like the way its told is a little weird, they focus more on the uninteresting parts of the story but I do like it though and it expanded the lore, but yeah the writing is bad, although did we watch the prequels? I don't think the writing or dialouge was particularly great...remember Anakin bitching about the sand? Who speaks like that? All in all I'm just watching it and enjoying the saber fights I do think this is where they excelled. Qimir is interesting, wish they put a lot more time into his story. Anyway, no one come for me, we're all allowed to have an opinion.😂❤

[@MindofObscurik]

LOL sand.... I hate it ... (fair point) No but seriously it is a slightly dumb line but you gotta remember that Anakin said that cause he grew up on desert planet as a slave, he associates sand with a very sad and painful part of his life. (it actually has a lot of meaning behind it - it just felt weird at the time even I was like ... "bro... what" then thought about it was like ahhhh... right.

[@AFoxInFlames]

@MindofObscurik yeah I know why he said it, it's just the writing, the way its said. Like if he wrote the line differently it wouldn't have been kinda funny, so I guess that just goes back to what we're all saying, the writing is bad. Equally to me but that's just my opinion. Oh and the scene where him and Padme are rolling in thee field? So corny! Lol, that shit did not age well when I watched it again this year I like lost it, it was so funny.❤️

[@MindofObscurik]

@@AFoxInFlames yeah it all fairness that rolling around in the field scene is mad corny I laugh every time I see it and your right the line did feel forced for sure.