Is it Time For The Canucks To Trade J.T. Miller? | SDP

[@Herrlorddonkoenigczar]

The main difference between Pettersson and Miller, is when Petey struggles his defensive game does not and doesn’t cost the team, JT on the other hand, gives up the puck and takes the team down with him. Facts

[@the5thlineplaymaker131]

100%. These idiots just wanna see Miller whine on the ice cuz all they do is whine. He’s their “emotional leader” lol

[@okyouknowwhatever]

@@the5thlineplaymaker131 Yeah, it's so incredibly corny to think that just because someone shows outward emotions that that somehow makes you a default leader of a group. Showing emotions can absolutely be a negative if it's pouty or whiny or energy stealing or unwarranted emotions. Nicklas Lidström or Joe Sakic, and now Quinn Hughes, were/are all excellent captains while being composed and soft spoken. Björn Borg was an excellent tennis player while not screaming and shouting and banging rackets like John McEnroe, and so was Pete Sampras and Roger Federer. Just because someone screams and shouts and bangs sticks, doesn't make that person "care" more. I can't believe there are grown up people who actually thinks like this.

[@johanstinson]

This is an absurd comment.

[@Herrlorddonkoenigczar]

@ did I stutter?

[@Herrlorddonkoenigczar]

@@okyouknowwhatever What a solid take. Nailed it!

[@christhornycroft3686]

I remember reading comments from Ranger fans when it was rumoured he was headed to Manhattan and many were not happy. He's had a reputation going back to his first few seasons in the NHL for being a pain to deal with when he and the team aren't succeeding. He throws tantrums. As a Canucks fan, I get why some fans want to keep him. At his best, he's a really effective player. But when things aren't going his way, he's toxic. With some guys, it doesn't matter because the team is successful. But when the success isn't there, he's the type of guy who throws everyone under the bus because they're not like him. It's frustrating because he can be that good. He just comes off like a bully sometimes.

[@R.R.chandar]

No to trading JT Miller

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

We chant Millers name

[@Gordon-f7f]

@@christhornycroft3686 Yes Petey has led the nucks to a brilliant record of 16 wins and 17 losses

[@confusion9950]

as a canucks fan 🤷 it is so hard to see the old 649 line not be able to play together anymore. its 69 or 46

[@confusion9950]

i will add to my comment. we can not go without the fire of j.t. but, we need petey and, j.t. to work together again whatever it is.if another superstar can work with miller......... we can replace petey with another 80 point guy over peteys 100 point guy

[@BenD88343]

YES. THANK GOD. I'm sick of all the trade Petterson videos. Its clearly Miller. JT fought with schenn horvat and now petey. Slamming sticks on the net yelling at his teammates. Taking timeouts mid season like it's kindergarten

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

We chant Millers name not pety

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

Because he actually cares unlike soft pety

[@billk516]

@@TerryMcLean-tg1jqhe cares so much that he butts head with every team he’s ever been on😂

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

@ obviously you’ve never played serious hockey

[@the5thlineplaymaker131]

@@TerryMcLean-tg1jq cares so much that he leaves the team for a month lol. Take a hike buddy

[@themanhands5599]

4:05 "Whatever they have between them, I don't understand how they don't see the opportunity in front of them." Steve's word dangles are quotable!

[@cheddarandsourcream]

I obviously know nothing about what’s going on behind the scenes but if I had to guess it’s a case of a guy who cares maybe a little too much versus a guy who is rather nonchalant and it’s not mixing well. Miller is a great player but I feel like he could be a guy who could be just a tad assholeish here and there.

[@dopeboygangsta]

Went on a great playoff run hahah went to the second round.. guess it's good for leaf fans 😂😂😂

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

We chant Millers name not pety

[@virtualrealitychannel2276]

The media calls Miller their emotional leader but he's not. He's the most emotional guy on the team and probably the whole NHL but his outbursts don't inspire the team to reach new heights. When it comes to positive "leadership" emotion it's usually Garland. That Miller talking point is based on repetition but just because every media personality repeats it doesn't make it true.

[@christhornycroft3686]

He gets a lot of support from the anti-European fans. They see him as the North American who plays "real" hockey and Pettersson is the whiny European. It's pretty gross.

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

The crowd chants his name not soft petty

[@tranquillo2741]

I played with a guy like Miller, passionate and locked in for sure, but emotional outbursts and temper tantrums at teammates which he thought was motivating or leadership but after a while just pissed off or demotivated everyone else on the team. Cancer.

[@jcransome5616]

You’re a mor on twink Petey supporter

[@Doodledawgg]

Emotionally unstable maybe ya

[@JoeMagician]

Considering the Bruins and Canucks seem to love changing rosters with each other lately, send him to Boston for Hampus Lindholm. Bruins need a scoring center badly, Canucks might want Miller gone and could use another excellent defenseman in Lindholm. The money isn't too far off with Miller making 8 cap hit and Lindholm 6.5. Once Lindholm is healthy again obviously. Think it would make a lot of sense for both teams. Miller would push Elias Lindholm down to the 2nd line, Coyle to the 3rd, which are much better fits for them, take pressure off Pasta. Canucks get rid of a talented headache and get much better on defense behind Quinn Hughes. Both sides would be taking a risk, but if Miller's head is right and Lindholm's knee is too, could be mutually beneficial.

[@shreksswamp1182]

i 2nd this.

[@JeremyCuddles]

JT Miller has bumped elbows with many players. Him and Schenn on the ice in the middle of a game were seen yelling at each other. Miller was spazzing out at Delia because he didn't leave the ice quick enough for the extra attacker, he got into it with Petey in practice I think it was this season or last season. And last game he was visibly frustrated Lankinen didn't leave the ice quick enough for the extra attacker again, after which they didn't enter the zone and immediately got scored on. Miller wears his heart on his sleeve in the worst way. When things are going good, it's great. When they're not going so good, it's ugly. Miller can't be the vet leader on your young-ish team. He can be on a team with other vets, but not a team like Vancouver with a 25 year old captain and a 26 year old Pettersson. This team looked really solid when Miller was gone, including Petey. But when he came back the life is just gone. They play like they're worried they're about to get yelled at or something. Lol. It's passive and safe and it's costing us games. Petey or Miller need to go. Petey cause he sucks with Miller on the ice and we can use that near 12mil for potentially 2 key pieces. Miller can go cause when he's gone Petey is a beast. And we can use that 8mil to get one or two other pieces. Doesn't matter who goes at this point. I am just tired of this situation looming over the team.

[@nucks4life11]

Miller is a hot head. He thinks he's a player. But standing and pointing, isnt hockey.

[@shmoo232]

The team did not look good while Miller was gone. They were winning games as one of the worst offensive teams in the NHL. The results were good but the process was garbage which would have caught up with them either way. Not to mention the team is incapable of winning a faceoff without Miller.

[@harryvesanen284]

@@shmoo232 In the last game Pettersson had a higher F.O.W % than Miller.

[@shmoo232]

@@harryvesanen284 lol talk about cherry picking stats. Look at their career faceoff percentages- or even just this season if that makes you feel better. 1 game means almost nothing

[@SportsMuppets]

So what is a passionate player?And he gets pissed off with laziness

[@fredthe_rabbit6867]

Makes me happy to see that there's is drama not only in Montreal ... Happy holidays to all hockey fans God bless

[@omfg322]

Both have no trade clauses so either one has to really want to leave or they have to be locked in a room with eachother and work it out like adults

[@ThePriorityBox]

Petey's doesn't kick in until July...

[@omfg322]

@ThePriorityBox your right. Even then would it be even possible to come out at least even on a petterson trade since every other gm knows about the drama

[@JeremyCuddles]

Petey is movable until July 1st. His NMC doesn't kick in til then. Miller should be movable. NY has been calling on him for over a year now and I am sure he'd waive for them easily.

[@djardine2520]

@@JeremyCuddleswhy would he waive to go to a team in obvious decline, and a team that shipped him outta town when he was a young up and comer?

[@JeremyCuddles]

@@djardine2520 They had a cap crunch. They didn't want to move him. Tampa didn't want to move him either. They didn't give up on him. Lol.

[@CheezGhostie]

Play them on the same line?! I love it!!

[@unplugged123]

as a Canucks fan living in Vancouver its refreshing to hear a perspective outside of our bubble. the views in this clip is spot on.. its insane these 2 guys dont realize that each are the best hope of winning a the Stanley cup. if both of these guys played to each of their potential.. a 100% pettersson and 100% miller, with hughes and demko.. they can beat any team in this league. who else is realistically available that can break games like they potentially can in their own ways? JT missed out on a cup after being traded from Tampa. theres lots of great players in the league that never got their name on a cup. theres not many kicks at the can for him left. my hope is they realize their opportunity right now put aside their differences, Allvin gets their top 4 dman and pettersson and miller have their Top Gun moment hoisting the cup on home ice.

[@dougwalsh550]

You're smoking that Vancouver fent if you seriously think Petterson , Miller & Demko are going to get you a cup. Have fun watching hockey for the next 10 years bud. Enjoy those $18 beers while you're at it.

[@rizzingbusser]

Trade neither of them, this rift should not be happening and it didn’t affect the team negatively last year- it’s not an issue of them not being able to play together, they just need to work it out and get back to the standards of last season where Miller had 100+ pts and Petey was over a point per game.

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

Maybe pety slept with it wife

[@jimpiazza1790]

Petterson was a problem since the all star from lost year. We heard it was tendinitis. Because Pettersons play is still in question the problem still exists I think that that was just an excuse

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

@jimpiazza1790 every year

[@kurtwpg]

With Minnesota having massive cap space opening up this offseason, you better extend Brock Boeser before you get any ideas about trading away high end talent.

[@adamrutkowski8329]

Miller had issues with Horvat, and we know how that turned out. Now he has issues with Pettersson, and it's starting to hurt the team. I'm starting to think Miller is the problem.

[@GlenUrkosky]

Remember when Benning brought Loui Erikson to the Canucks cuz he played so well with the twins internationally?? Oilers fan...

[@samslone9457]

Benning was a clueless bistar.d who singlehandedly destroyed this team

[@chemguy5468]

It makes sense that a leafs fan would call the second round a great playoff run

[@johanstinson]

Especially when they fluked out a win in the 1st round and were absolutely dominated by the Oilers in the 2nd round lol

[@geopolitica264]

One of the “you can’t be here” trades : Tyler seguin for loui eriksson

[@tonykung8756]

When things aren't going well for any team, the media tries to point it to something... For example: The team didn't do well in this game, is it because *insert speculation here

[@johan.j.bergman]

What would be epic now is Miller and Elias Pettersson playing eachother in 4 nations cup. Not happening. But damn! Petey has had some clean hits.

[@dawnpatrol931]

It is a physical game "Petey," Sedins, Etc. Panthers wore down the Oilers and won the cup in game 7. It's not a Sunday picnic. McDavid sneaked a high-stick to Hughes' cheek in game 2 playoffs and no penalty, no play review; Hughes' cut bleeding down his face as he asked for review. Also, no Canuck punished McDavid for that. That's not right. It's fire, not more passivity we need for the playoffs.

[@vancitycanucks]

Not to add fuel to the fire....Petey had 15 pts in 10 games when Miller was out... Yup... So now...if Miller doesn't score points...you have to go with Petey.

[@paulcory8691]

I agree with Steve's thoughts here. If they were crammed together and were forced to work it out, the Canucks would be Stanley cup contenders, straight up. When I watch JT on the ice sometimes, it's like watching OLD hockey and it makes me very excitable. But I have to agree with some of the fans as well, he's toxic as s... sometimes and it messes up the chemistry of the team. To my eyes so far, Hughes has emerged as the true leader of this team and they have played better without Miller so far. If they trade him out though, it will be exciting watching him play with another team. Get it together guys, Canada is desperate for the cup!!! Keep it in your strap Miller!!

[@timothygrant-zl7re]

It’s no secret that there’s some sort of friction between Petey and Miller. B4 miller left for personal reasons, petey was on like a 30p pace, the moment miller left, petey had 18p in 10 games or something like that and the moment miller came back petey stoped producing. Not even miller has down much since coming back. Management has said they’re not trading miller and petey is being paid 11.6m per season with full no trade clause. Even if petey wanted to be traded, it won’t happen because nobody has that cap space and he’s not even playing up to it. They have got to figure something out or this could get worse and the team’s playoff chances fall apart

[@seannightingale4603]

I like the idea of putting them back on a line together (reunite the lotto line?). Force them to stick up for one another.

[@theScotian24]

They should be trying to take advantage of Boston. They need a 1C. Maybe something like JT or Petey for Poitras & Hampus...give or take

[@kempnercanucks]

The answer is, “Absolutely not.” We chat his name because we appreciate his effort on the ice. He plays playoff style hockey every single game.

[@dalemcarthur7951]

I would love to see a big deal with buffalo. Maybe miller, hoglander for big returns

[@lukemilden4372]

Should have traded Miller before he signed that contract extension! -Captain hindsight

[@roundnround365]

Should have traded Pete before he signed his contract. He's not lived up to the contract-especially during the playoffs. It felt like he was a detriment.

[@FalknerKnight]

​@@roundnround365Last playoffs Petey played with significant injury

[@RichardAlexander-s8j]

JT Miller for Steven Stamkos - Canucks get leadership, stamkos wants out, JT gets a fresh start and can yell at the preds to play better. He can reuinte with Schenn

[@andyw246]

Be much more beneficial to trade the people who call themselves sports media in Vancouver.

[@rolieg81]

Unfortunately the Canucks wouldn't hire me.... i was laughed at when i said offer Petey 9 million or walk.....

[@brown_recidivist]

It's a tough situation I would still trade Miller just cause's older and his contract is more expendable.

[@slickftw]

You forgot about the Hoffman/Karlsson issue resulting in a trade.

[@dawnpatrol931]

It's all on the ice. Miller has the guts to speak up. Listening to comments postgame, fans are fed up with Pettersson's inept play. I hope for his sake he comes back to his greatness. Meanwhile, a great player like Miller is gone if this really happens..

[@Willsentertainmenttalk]

Miller is almost a point a game producer, on pace for maybe 70 points. For a guy making 8 million that's not bad. Now Petterson, making almost 12 million and has 26 points. Should probably have double that based on that salary

[@rozzie101]

The media is making too much about Miller and Pettersson...

[@adamlegge4350]

Trade one of them to Buffalo for the workhorse from white horse and Byram

[@JeremyCuddles]

Please

[@prozac.]

😂😂 When i’m in reality Rick is the problem

[@dawnpatrol931]

Can't imagine facing Calgary Flames, in Calgary, without Miller tonight?

[@kevinklop1429]

They need to being Boeser, Miller and Pettersson together for a couple games to sort it out

[@peterm4486]

B’s will take him…we’re practically a west coast team now!

[@shreksswamp1182]

I would be so mad if we moved pettersson. Would be cam Neely all over again. We need to pack that cancer millers bags idc if we get nothing in return anymore.

[@Herrlorddonkoenigczar]

For me “mad” is an understatement. I’d probably just stop supporting and watching the team

[@jake111991]

Petey at $2M less would be a lot more digestible. Both for trade and to keep him around. Too much money

[@johntitorii6676]

I'd agree both should be traded

[@TravelSpottermc]

It’s really a time to create some changes, miller needs to go, Pete needs to produce

[@blackhawks9763]

People are acting like whenever Pettersson isn’t producing, he’s all of a sudden a 2014 Jonathan Toews. LOL! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@JohnShields-xx1yk]

Egos need to step aside for the betterment of your team. Period. But I'm guessing that miller is a problem child, idk, but why would other players have a problem with him, if I'm the coach I stomp that out, idk if Rick would do that. He should do something.

[@seannightingale4603]

They now have the foreward depth that would make it possible to reunite the 649 line

[@deepaktoor7376]

2nd line center being who?

[@pei_senatorsClips]

Mike Hoffman had to be traded from Ottawa because of off ice issues with Erik Karlsson. Not performance related.

[@shirleydaley5335]

You don't understand because you are not one of the 2. That easy. Sometimes there may be something bigger between 2 people then working or getting along together

[@zacharyarnold1315]

11:23 The Canucks have already signed someone because they played great together on team Sweden. They dont need to do it again please

[@the5thlineplaymaker131]

Who?

[@tonyk501]

Miller made a huge mistake taking almost a month off on personal leave, and now looks like he can't keep pace with the speed of the NHL game anymore. Best to trade him now and get something tangible back in the form of a younger player(s) that can help the team for several seasons into the future. This would also allow the Canucks dressing room to breathe and make it a more positive work environment again.

[@roundnround365]

You don't know if he took a month off or he was told to take a month off. Show some proof from the player and not a management quote covering their rear end.

[@dawnpatrol931]

The team has been the sh**s. It's the same power play that failed last season. Miller is trying to get the team back on its feet. Something needed to be said. When a player like Pettersson is stumbling around at the blue line or losing it behind the net to a tougher player, something has to be said.

[@mtaylorj17]

They aren't trading away JT miller. That's never even been a discussion within Canucks Management. I know everyone wants to see JT miller on another team, but you guys are dreaming. Never going to happen.

[@Steveriknows]

For the right price. Like a Cozens, not a Kreider.

[@Herrlorddonkoenigczar]

EVERY team has infighting, just like every family does

[@Gordon-f7f]

Petey has never been the best skater But for the last half of last year and most of this year , Petey has forgotten How to play hockey

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

Doesn't care

[@irwinrommel2099]

This isn't true though. Defensively Petterson is their best forward. Right beside Suter. EP is struggling to have the confidence to snipe past goalies. But his play otherwise is fine. Great setups, far better than Miller's.

[@Gordon-f7f]

@irwinrommel2099 yes Petey has led the nucks to brilliant record of 16 wins and 17 losses

[@irwinrommel2099]

@@Gordon-f7f while miller was out they were doing fine. Again you don't look at any of the advanced stats. Miller is not there. He's becoming a detriment, and if he doesn't improve he should get traded. If only we had went with Horvat.

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

@irwinrommel2099 he just doesn't care.

[@Csimon2429]

The "Days of Thunder" solution....it's so simple in it's perfection. I would say Petey is Rowdy and JT is obviously Hothead Cole Trickle. :P

[@IIIDRIFT46]

Put the Lotto Line back together.

[@sniperovski]

Steve is right. These are grown ass men. Figure it out.

[@dawnpatrol931]

Why are posts from 9 days ago and negative toward Miller still first on this list? I saw pro JT comments but none of them still around, including my own.

[@djardine2520]

JT has NT protection. Given the dumpster fire that is the Rangers, I’d be very surprised if he agrees to returning to NY.

[@kevvymetal666]

Adam needs to call Miller with Petey listening on the line and ask him where things went wrong

[@deltagolavista1]

If the Canucks need to go the trade route, it’s Pettersson who is going to be moved because 31 other GMs see how toxic a player Miller is that they wouldn’t touch him.

[@firestormlivingsolutions]

He belongs on the Rangers

[@Steveriknows]

There has to be a reason Miller wasn't picked as captain. Him sitting out while his team played reminded me of that 49ers player that abandoned his team. Lost alot of respect for Miller. His contract is bloated and lasts too long anyway.

[@Stonesour1]

You can have Carlo & Geekie

[@ToyMakerprops]

Trade Miller and Pettersson will request a trade a year or so later. Pettersson wants to play for a winning team 😅 Good luck. Pettersson can't put up points in the playoffs.

[@maxx4576]

He was injured during the entire play off run btw...

[@jimgill7524]

you'd free up more cap and probably get more in return due to his age.

[@Chomperoni23]

They are both centers how are they supposed to play on the same like 😅

[@AjoChee]

Where’s the time to deal Petey vid coming from

[@28naveenator27van]

Miller is the only well almost, playoff style centre that we have that we can win a playoff series with.

[@blakemcbeth3157]

Millionaires can’t put differences aside, immature babies

[@bustertn2014]

Miller is going to be a hard trade. He seems to be the problem, as he has had issues with multiple teammates over time. And he makes 8 million per till around 2030, and isn't that solid defensively when he's struggling and he's not producing offense at that number.

[@dawnpatrol931]

Keep both for now. If mgmt trade Miller then it's further stupidity they will live to regret. Petterson has difficulty skating, pivoting etc that's a liability anytime and come playoffs especially.

[@syzLETMEREGISTERGOD]

Deja vu... feel like this conversation happens for Miller every few years.

[@TerryMcLean-tg1jq]

Cuz he cares

[@TheErnie1964]

If they start winning again the problems seem to disappear.go canucks go

[@JessCameron-l7t]

I would do a 1 for 1 trade with NYR for JT Miller and Mika Zibanejad both will expire in 2030 and both born 1993 but the Canucks take on 500k more, I want Petty and Zibanejad to play on a line at the 4 nations tournament and if they have good chemistry Jim Rutherford better do it

[@Loveconcert2006]

No thanks

[@samslone9457]

What are you talking about

[@zachhaist6426]

I think that there is an actual dislike between Petey and miller so there is no respect. It's sad but it happens

[@dawnpatrol931]

Wrong! JT is the heart of the team. But they've ripped the heart out before, trading away key players. Pettersson should never have got that 11mil/yr contract. Now they're stuck with him. Where as, Miller is a benefit to any team, so they can deal him away for the defenceman they need. Big mistake. This Miller trade is the last thing they need right now. The only person who benefits is Miller, getting off a team that makes bad decisions.

[@rolieg81]

Hughes is worth more than Petey and Miller combined.. almost like having Bure again......

[@Grasser88]

He’s the biggest baby in the nhl! Could never happen in Edmonton or Toronto

[@BrainOnDaFlo]

Peterson needs to be shipped out long before Miller!

[@waltermitty2591]

Miller is a prickly prick who antagonizes his teammates. Trade him to bring harmony to the team.

[@coreymcewen8737]

The whole team should beat some sense into them

[@wuhaninstituteofvirology]

miller > zibanejad (it's a win-win horizontal trade for everybody involved)

[@PolarBearPredator]

JT = Narcissist

[@sooptime]

You don't know what's going on. Everything is speculation. Every team has personalities that will conflict. They are big boys earning big boy money and are professionals. Neither are the face of the franchise. Hughes is. JT showed up when the tough got going last year and EP40 didn't. Why is that? That's the unknown. Who's going to shop up in the playoffs this year?

[@troysims2753]

Miller and any 3rd line D man for Dylan Cozens and Bowen Byram!

[@dawnpatrol931]

Trading Miller shouldn't be on the table . Are you nuts? Pettersson has had close to a year to get better. You can keep waiting for Pettersson, but don't trade Miller.

[@glennhankins6927]

Time to trade Pettersson.

[@SportsMuppets]

JtMiller has a NMC it would be easier to trade Pettersson the ghost

[@CS97660]

Petterson is beyond soft lol. As a Oilers fan I want them to trade Miller and keep Petterson lmao

[@EnvironNA]

It sucks cause I would keep Miller over petterson without all the locker room bullshit...

[@angelodaconceicao6815]

Delia also

[@jammerz04]

To Buffalo - Miller To Vancouver - Cozens, Ostlund and a 2nd

[@lukeflyswatter3203]

Riveting discussion!

[@Al_Camino77]

Shades of Blake Wheeler Pat Laine.

[@mcmurtersportsupdate7171]

Morgan Rielly for JT Miller

[@OhCanada-wk3kl]

Petterson not playing well since Miller's return is Petterson's problem! At the end of the day, it is the "team" that wins hockey games and gives you "compete". I must admit that some of Petterson's self-indulging, pouty interviews have rubbed me the wrong way as a longtime Canuck fan-- particularly when you are betting the future of the franchise for the next 8 years on his character. Additionally, I question whether he is the answer for the Canucks as he has not really demonstrated commitment to improving his skating, physique, and balance during his time here as well as the fact that he all but disappeared in the Playoffs last year and, in fact, the latter part of the season since signing his "franchise player" contract. He does not show any real evidence or concern about how much the franchise has invested in him and even suggested in his early contract negotiations last year that Canada, and Vancouver specifically, is too difficult of a hockey market to play in-- NOT what you want to hear from a true competitor! It makes sense to keep the player who is most passionate about winning-- like Vancouver fans-- and shows up when it counts. I do not hold competitiveness over Miller's head as at the end of the day hockey is a competitive sport and Vancouver is a competitive hockey market; however, if his personality is indeed overwhelming to the rest of the team as some inside analysts have suggested, then I would resign myself to moving Miller as long as the Canucks mgmt. make a SMART trade that improves the overall team competitiveness and consistency level.

[@darrelladams4886]

Man this sounds like we te talking about NBA drama and not an NHL team. I mean stuff happens in the locker room but it usually stays in the locker room and not out in the open.