Making BAD ART is GOOD (Stop Bullying Hobbyists) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY

[@DuchessCelestia]

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[@cuteElla]

Are you okay? Did you breakup with Squarespace? Need someone to talk to?

[@ArmaBiologica35]

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good and that's not bad.

[@SillytheSkrunklylilfella]

goated reference

[@artimations3161]

- Wreck-it-Ralph 2012

[@Ultrikadrawz]

Yessss greatest reference I've ever seen!

[@Tail_sez]

There's no one I would rather be...than me.

[@jeageruzumaki2002]

Wise words from the wise man.

[@GamblingJester]

It's honestly extremely weird how people expect ALL art to meet professional standards but God forbid artists actually do art as a profession

[@DeathsinkTV]

Besides bullying hobbyists, I have also noticed bullying towards older artists. If you are an older artist people assume you should be able to draw to a certain standard because somehow age = talent. Not taking into account if the person has just started drawing, does it as a hobby or that simply is the cap of their skills. Art isn't only for young people, you can start your art journey at any point.

[@platinumg.8614]

I feel if the old people do some nsfw also is seems a bad thing, maybe more if is a woman.

[@VikktheVick]

Yep, I'm teaching my dad how to draw and he's 56

[@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr]

Dude you can summary to people is not nice in the internet in general not matter your age, and art community in general is so bad that people actually think bad advices are good cause most advices are awful and you can't realize how awful they are until you have passed time in it. The worst advice you gonna find is "look for critiques online" this one of the worst because it appears not to be that bad but it's when you realize most people in the internet don't know what they are talking about and the world really don't care about you, so most of the time they are gonna destroy you without any explanation more than they are big people behind a keyboard or they are just gonna ignore you. If you want a critique for the love of god look for people actually that have a good background at it not just any random in discord... And yeah many times you are gonna have to pay them, but it worth it.

[@sarcacetic]

​@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3grWhat do you mean? You can absolutely find good critics online, just because there are lots of people bsing doesn't mean everyone does, there are still lots of good advices out there, and with deep research you can quickly select and throw out bad advices to the garbage bin. Not a lot of people have money for art courses lol, personally I live in a 3rd world country, economics is bad here. The only thing carrying me is artists around me who encourage me to do better.

[@sarcacetic]

​​@@PEDROGARCIA-qj3grAnd calling getting critiques online is one of the worst advice is just plain wrong, full stop. Any amount of critiques you get is GOOD (with exceptions of course, but its still better than getting no critique at all), provided that you identify the bad ones with the vast amount of information on the internet. By your own line of logic, we shouldn't ever trust KZbinrs with art advice / tutorials (when they are one of the reasons why most people start doing art and improve from it) because they could not know what they're doing or what they're talking about, and they also count as 'random people on the internet'. Respectfully, your opinion is just bad.

[@Kaito57]

I dream of the day I will shut down my biggest bully : Myself.

[@BlackDogsAndLadybugs]

Sometimes I wish I could just worm into people's brains to have a WWE match with their negative thoughts. Like use a metal folding chair on their anxiety or something. But because I can't, just know that those negative thoughts form nueral pathways, that can grow and become easier to think about- well, the more that you think about them. So I know the whole "Just say nice things about yourself!" or "Fake it 'till you make it!" Sound very cheesy and dismissive. But it is based in science. Like, it makes a literal physical difference in your brain, which makes it easier for you to believe other's compliments, and more charitable things about yourself, by widening a different nueral pathway that has positive things to say, and isn't a huge jerk. Even though it takes time and practice (like your hard work improving your art has), it'll help more than some internet stranger wanting to literally beat up your negative thoughts would, lmao.

[@vivvy_0]

@@BlackDogsAndLadybugsthe first part would make for a dope story. someone that beats bad thoughts away and helps people.

[@franciscofernandez3415]

​@@BlackDogsAndLadybugs Amen Bro, sometimes I visualize myself beating the shit out of my negative thoughts while yelling "STFU" in my head It does help.

[@BlackDogsAndLadybugs]

@@franciscofernandez3415 Hell yeah! If they're being awful, clearly they're just little liars and don't deserve to be up there messing with your head. You're doing great, keep scaring 'em off!

[@nightynightlayla374]

I believe in you!

[@mustanggox]

especially since AI, I don’t even care as much how “good” something is. I just like knowing that it’s human-made art someone spent time on and engrained with their experiences and feelings.

[@nyanbinarydisaster]

this! as much as i hate AI "art", its existence has really helped me improve my relationship with art and unlearn the idea that my "bad" art isn't worth the time i put into it. i'd rather spend my time creating something new with my own two hands than typing in prompts and creating slop with no personality, regardless of flaws.

[@kqlolll2618]

also this. i fr hate seeing ai art, because i would atleast love to see something made from a person with love, than somebody simply being lazy and using a generator to make something. like for example i saw a store by me using ai art in one of its signs and i was so depressed seeing that. i hope in the future people wont be so lazy as to have a generator make art for them, for everything. better not to be lazy when it comes to making art for your stuff.

[@platinumg.8614]

Like, I actually want to see art with a ideia I like from a media I like. I dont care if is beautiful, because there way more ways to be.

[@ChadScarbs]

Gen AI*

[@danjoo-z8z]

I really don't understand why if an AI generated image has mistakes... like three belly buttons or 8 fingers hands or melting parts people still comment "AMAZING JOB! ♡V♡" while if a real artist miss a little of porportions people are like " You should quit with art!" It has no sense to me. 😢

[@RenDrawsWarbirds]

It's such a paradox, isn't it. We're so scared of making bad art, but, in my experience, it's usually when we let go of that fear and just enjoy the process and stop worry about making good art, that we actually produce our best work. I recently got myself just about the cheapest sketchbook I could find, labelled it in big black block letters on the cover "THE UGLY SKETCHBOOK (with all the ugly sketches that are not supposed to ever see the light of day)" as a way to remind myself that it is a judgement-free space where the sketches and doodles are allowed to be as bad and ugly as they please. The Ugly Sketchbook has really revitalised my creative process, and I now carry it everywhere, and basically all my bigger work start with an ugly, experimental ideation phase in there. And honestly, the fact that I feel like "I didn't waste money on good paper or a beautiful sketchbook so now my art has to match that" has been very liberating.

[@skythedragon7897]

This is so true. I made a drawing and decided to mess with it. It has such an interesting rendering style and had better anatomy than most because I just shrugged and went back to fix it because I wasn't worried about messing it up for once. Imma definitely start doing it more often!

[@DreamyAileen]

And that's why my preferred sketchbooks are those cheap college ruled spiral notebooks you can get at Walmart

[@Silvereatschalk]

as a good teacher once said "Take chances, make mistakes, and get messy!"

[@saffie_taffie]

Yes! Ms. Frizzle was the goat 😌

[@jonelrobinson7432]

Yes! I love Ms. Frizzle. She’s awesome!

[@chok1169]

It's really important to draw whatever the fuck you have in your head or just sketch for fun and not trying to be perfect. That is one of the easiest ways to keep enjoying drawing for a long time, because sometimes we are really hard on ourselves when we wanna improve and we forget that art is something we started learning because we love it. Also is good for your mental health, because when art starts becoming your job you can start hating drawing if you don't put some time into drawing for fun.

[@manami_ma_shizuka568]

As a hobbyist artist I freaking can't agree more. I love development, I love learning new skills, perfecting old ones and expressing myself through my art. And I always compare it to any kind of sports. If you see a person skiing and they are not on the Olympics level and, yes, they want to ski and maybe even become better and better at it, but not become a pro, you don't automatically judge them neither for skiing worse than an Olympics champion, nor for their lack of desire to become one. Why art, even if posted online, must be any different?!

[@vVinegarPotato]

I LOVE "bad" art and writing. My favorite version are the ones that are anime inspired. When I see a random comic on the internet about a mary sue neko cat with a hot vampire boyfriend, you know damn well I'm following that story like it's the latest big hit. I remember when I was younger, making silly little "kawaii" comics in my notebook about cartoony adventures that make zero sense. I'd post it on DeviantArt and a plethora of inspired, amateur artists like me would adore it. Having support regardless of how nonsensical my stuff was made me want to keep drawing and improve.

[@vinkei4521]

I remember how excited I was to have even one person online enjoy my art back when I was a kid making bad art because I simply enjoyed it and how much I loved seeing other people make equally bad art just for the sake of it. Every time I see a young or beginner artist now making stuff like that, it just fills me with so much nostalgia for those good old days!

[@blackcat2333]

Would you like to follow my deviantart?

[@larvaedadindex]

One of my favorite artists ever, the late Monty Oum, said “bad animation is better than no animation” during an interview once on the topic of young artists and animators being scared of getting started or keeping up their craft and that’s stuck with me to this day. It’s so important to just let yourself start where we all start, learn from mistakes (or don’t! Having it just be a hobby is good too!) and just _keep moving forward_

[@liamlockheartart7560]

When I was a bit younger I remember talking to a friend about how annoying it was that everyone was pushing me to "go work for Disney". I was explaining that I don't really like being told what to draw. I lose all love and interest in drawing when I'm not in control. I draw for me. My friend started yelling at me that I'm stupid for wasting my time with art if I don't want to be a professional. He demanded I give up drawing forever if I wasn't going to make money from it. I told him I'd give up drawing when he gave up video games, cus he sure as hell wasn't making money off of his hobbies. I used a lot more colorful language than that though. Then I stopped talking to him entirely until he apologized a few days later. He doesn't believe that anymore, but every time I show my family something I drew I get a lot of "tsk tsk"s and "It's such a shame you won't work for Disney". IDK why they think I of all people could get a job at Disney specifically. I've never wanted to work for Disney. They know I hate drawing for other people. Hell, I failed almost every art class I ever took because I want to draw what I want to draw. My teachers would want me to paint a sunset and I'd be ignoring them and studying anatomy instead. You can't pull that kind of thing at a job. Especially not disney lmao. The only art class I passed was because he graded everyone based on themself. So as long as you were making genuine attempts at learning whatever you wanted to learn, you would be fine. So I could work on anatomy, or study perspective, or whatever I wanted. And as long as he could see that I was genuinely trying to learn something he didn't care what it was. I think he only gave out 4 actual assignments. One was to make a story board about whatever you wanted and another was to then animate that story board, for example. Best art class ever lol.

[@sunswift]

What the hell is wrong with people

[@liamlockheartart7560]

@@sunswift Late stage capitalism says everything we do has to somehow be a side hussle just so we can barely survive. That isnt a generalization that is just an observation on my family's situation. It comes from a place of wanting the best for me, mostly. Most of my family and I just have conflicting views on what that is. Also my friend did some reflecting and apologized the next time we saw each other. We are both kind of hot-headed (and we were both young and full of raging teenage hormones lol) so sometimes we'd argue for a while and then sit with what we said, then ask questions until we figure out where the other is coming from. Then apologize if needed as we talk it out. He just never thought about it like a hobby because of reasons Im not gonna share. Once he had time to process the art to gaming comparison we were good. Sometimes it's fun to have a really passionate arguement about something (usually books, movies, idk some cool shit he learned in college, my cat sometimes) where we both come out of it understanding each other better. The more frivilous the arguement the better. That's just how we communicate.

[@sunswift]

@liamlockheartart7560 ok . Just didn't get the context sorry for saying that

[@liamlockheartart7560]

@@sunswift Oh no worries you're good! Im sorry if I came off aggressive I was just overexplaining myself

[@sunswift]

@liamlockheartart7560 it's ok and I am glad your friend apologized to ya

[@ray-ze8vf]

i wish artists on social media had a day where they posted their art that they weren't proud of... i remember seeing a twitter post where people commented a bunch of artwork they created that they were ashamed of, and it was such a positive experience overall

[@rubinschwarz]

Craptember, the month of crappy artworks

[@TheFanartFREAK24]

Another thing I'm reminded of is seeing people- even artists, insult artists who draw realism, saying it's not creative or something, but here's the thing, bot every artist is drawing to be "creative", not every artist is focusing on the finished product. Some artists want to draw mainly for the process and that's 100% okay, art should be fun, not some competition on who's more unique than who.

[@TheFanartFREAK24]

Not* not bot, sorry typo 💀

[@vinkei4521]

I think this is some form of backlash against the idea that realism is somehow better or requires more skill than stylised or more creative work, without seeing the effort that doing something creatively takes. Within artistic communities, creativity is seen as more valuable, but for more mainstream communities, people tend to favour realism over creative freedom, which is something you can see in corporations such as Disney with their Lion King remake. That doesn't mean realism is bad or that people who enjoy making it are somehow less skilled than people who prefer making creative art. In fact, learning realism is good practice even if you're making creative work. I think many artists just project their anger at corporations for sucking the creativity out of artistic mediums such as animation or writing for the sake of realism towards independent artists who are just doing their own thing. Either way, I agree with you, I just wanted to share my point of view about why people might be reacting this way, because I used to be the same way when I was younger

[@Mienshaos]

i've been drawing for decades, but can the first to admit that i learn slowly. so when i posted art that the internet caught wind of, i lost a lot of my love of drawing for the longest time. the internet declared i was bad at art, that i had no worth, and i will never improve. i packed away my tablet because i was so afraid to draw something bad again but i recently got back to drawing again because no matter how much i push away, i just don't feel like myself without drawing. it's a hobby that meant a lot to me over the years, and despite one misstep along the way, i still had friends and family who always looked forward to the next drawing i'd finish. i also learned to accept that not everything i was going to make will turn out good, but improving slowly isn't a fundamental flaw of a person. if i kept drawing because i liked it, then i will one day be able to make the art of my dreams, regardless of how people view me this comment is long and pointless, but to anybody reading this: if somebody shares your art for the purpose of trolling and pointing out how bad it looked, please please please don't stop drawing. do it not for others, but for yourself. hobbies enrich our busy lives, and gives us new perspectives into learning. what those trolls think don't matter, and failing is okay

[@buttercupkat]

Your comment's point is clear: to prevent others from trying to bury a part of themself because some mean-spirited people didn't like it, and that's appreciated

[@dragonboardsworkshop]

Art can take a while to learn, and I’m sure your art looks awesome! Even if it may be considered bad by the standards of others, as long as you’re having fun, it’s what matters! Glad you have continued on your art journey and I wish you luck, man! :]

[@CaptiousClown]

Here's my hypothesis: Individuals who antagonize hobbyists are likely to be green-eyed, but the issue may be more deep seated than just basic envy. It's plausible that consumers have developed an unrealistic expectation of what art should look like, because they only see the products that are superlative and nothing more. In a crude comparison, it's similar to X-rated content and how it warps the perception of what's reasonable and what's not. While artists (and professionals) who abide by hustle cultures unreasonable standards are obliged to iron our their own humanity for the sake of creating finished products that meets the consumers soaring anticipations. Hobbyists are denounced, because their liberation of expressing their humanity (being cringe) is envied amongst all. So they're bullied into obligation to abide by hustle culture to rid that cringe (self).

[@Heathiekins]

I've accepted a single commission order. It took over a year, I was stressed the whole time, and I still feel like the artwork is just not that good. My client was patient, supportive, and all around wonderful. It was this situation that made me realize I didn't WANT to do client-based artwork and would very much prefer to draw for fun. The reason I look up to professionals is because they are doing a job that is just too much for me, and I acknowledge their efforts. It's different for everyone, but this is just my case. Also, Meiko is my favorite Vocaloid, so it was a delight to watch this piece being made!

[@thepuzzlemaster64]

Boy, tell me about it. I tried a few times to do private commissions with a some family members, and all of them were a nightmare to do. Constantly on edge while drawing, always confused with their requests, and internally screaming whenever they couldn't decide on something for literal hours over slight variations. ...Never again, and god bless those who can take the punishment.

[@Azuliiee]

I fully agree, this toxic perfectionist attitude in the art community has and still is negatively affecting artists, it's polluting the community. When I first really started doing art it was with a perfectionest attitude. As a kid all I watched was those cringe compilations and people making fun of mary sues and telling others how to not make mary sues, people making fun of beginners for making bad art, or hell, even making fun of experienced artists for the occasional bad peice of art. I started making art scared of messing up, I never had a good relationship with art, and I never had a healthy mindset, yeah it was still fun for me for me, but burnout pretty quickly kicked in I always had to be better then the other kids in school, then I had to be perfect online to the point that even at twelve I was very careful with what I said online, I wanted to be seen a certian way and even tried to perfect my own personality right down to having a good favorite color (I chose blue because someone else I knew liked the color blue and when I was a kid everyone kept telling me that rainbow couldn't be my favorite color). Everyone automatically assumed I would go on to make art my job, and I kinda just thought that it was what I was supposed to do and want. Only recently, and mainly thanks to videos like these, have I started to try and make art for myself, for fun. I want to do everything I couldn't as a kid, I want to make 'cringy' mary sue ocs, I want to make bad art, I want to have fun and not have my arm hurt because I'm gripping the pen so hard out of stress just because I can't get a pose right. I'm not doing art professionally, I no longer want to even try to do it as a job, but I'm still going to do it, if people like me then that'll be amazing, but I don't want to only work towards that anymore. It's hard, changing the mindset I've had since I've first started doing art, but I'm hoping I'll be able to do it. The community really needs to get it's shit together, because I see so many people who can't just accept that they don't like something, they feel way to entitled to the art that THEY want, and they treat art as if it's some mass produced product that they're paying for, even though it's being posted online for free. People need to remember that sometimes their opinion isn't wanted, and that it isn't as important as they think it is, and that if they don't like someones art, that they should just block the person, that they don't need to give that artist or writer their 'contructive criticism'. I hate seeing artists going through the same thing I went through, seeing people get bullied off the internet for having unique styles that they're trying to develop, all because a bunch of random strangers decided that their opinion is oh so important, they're like a damn hivemind fueled by hatred and tears. I'm focusing on myself now, and I don't care if my worldbuilding breaks rules, if my characters are 'mary sues' or if they have 'cringy' designs, I don't care if my art is bad, or if my writing has mistakes, I'm doing this for fun and for myself. People need to remember that art is a luxury, that they should consider themselves lucky for having access to so much of it for free. Theres a lot more I would have rambled about but this comment is already way to long, but the next time you try to 'help' an artist, just remember that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[@junebunny0712]

This! You’ve put this into words so well! I feel the same way and have a very similar experience with making art.

[@nightynightlayla374]

This is very relatable. It’s not 100% my experiences, but it’s very close to it. I had such problems with perfectionism back then that it killed my self expression and give me social anxiety to the point that making a small text was a hurdle for me. The idea of people judging my works, felt like they were judging me, even though that isn’t the case. Learning to love myself, becoming more patient, being ok that you’re not ok, basically not being perfect in my life. All of that is what helped me actually confront my anxieties and perfectionism, and helped me being more content with myself and my life. I can slip up in these perfectionistic thoughts, but they have a less stronger hold on me then they did before. It makes me feel happy that you came through this, and it also makes me feel better knowing I’m not the only one who has struggled with this.

[@gaerekxenos]

This reminded me of the "look at my improvement" trend a number of years back (yet again), where people were redrawing older works to show how much better they were. Which was... unfortunate in some cases. Because some of the old works had a lot of character, but while the new works were better on a technical level... they lost all of the charm of the older work. So ironically the newer work was not quite as good overall despite being more polished on a technical level Improvement is good, but there is an unfortunate tendency of people pigeonholing into only one set standard of what improvement is, leading to homogenization of what gets created and presented. And that is just.... sad. Because it really hampers expression if you are only allowed one option to express things in when there are actually so many different possibilities to express things. Something people should do is look back at their old works and take good note of what the charms of those older pieces might be, and try to remember those points when moving forward when trying to improve on their art. If you can't figure out what those things are from your old works...? Get someone else to look at the pieces for you for that feedback. Don't forget what makes your art *YOURS* and not someone else's Yeah, I know I wrote this on a different video before somewhere, ages ago (probably). This might have been along the lines of what Celestia was looking for when making this video, but I could be wrong~ Oh well~~!!

[@SillytheSkrunklylilfella]

NORMALISE BAD ART!!! DON'T BE AFRAID TO MAKE MISTAKES!!!

[@mythos2490]

Normalise art being art and not inherently good or bad!!

[@jonelrobinson7432]

Agreed!

[@Luminous_1700]

Up until to this point, i had a subconscious belief that every piece you're supposed to make is _supposed_ to be good, and that bad art diverges from the default/norm. This made me just feel very de-motivated from drawing, so i really appreciate the new perspective!

[@illumanarti]

20:50 oh my god. As a hobbyist, I really really needed to hear this, and so do others do. Almost like we’re not allowed to partake in an activity that supposed to you, bring you fun. It’s a hobby for me not a job, so I will treat it like one

[@swampat4093]

Having someone that verbally says all the exact same problems I've been going through with art recently hit me way harder than I thought it would. You feel a little lonely with how art makes you feel when you're taking it so seriously and actually having someone say they feel the same... idk if this makes sense, it makes me feel a little less bad and lonely about how I feel.

[@CharaDreemurr-UT]

I get that so much... it feels like the world doesn't understand you and doesn't want to listen, it even feels that way with other artists, people that are SUPPOSED to understand, but they're not, because not everyone does art for the same reason, and when you find someone that deals with the same amount ot shit you do, it feels amazing, because you feel further validated and less lonely. There's a quote in "Loser, Baby" from Hazbin Hotel that I've been thinking about it, it goes like "We are living in the same shit sandwich", and oh boy, it is true, we just don't know because we've been learning to keep it all to ourselves.

[@RukileinchenChan]

I am a in-between-artist. My goal is to work as a professional and I am no hobbyist anymore at all, having been drawing daily for a couple of hours over the past 6 years. But hell, whenever I ask for advice online that is NOT paid (aka in classes or mentorship sessions if I have the chance), I get insulted as heck.Lass year, I also had a bad mentoring experience I never want to have again, the mentor was so verbally abusive because my sletches were so bad (she was right but her tone and way of speaking was extremly humiliating) and I was so sloppy. Funny thing is, she even said I should make mistakes to improve but whenever I did she scolded or insulted me. I was really on the verge of giving up lol. The in-between-stage is so annoying because I don't see a way of overcoming this plateau to reach a professional level... Due to grinding, I also often have times where Idon't know if I even liek art anymore. But whenever I do something for me, in manga style instead of realism, of stuff I enjoy, I am remembered how much I love it. I am also glad for not playing the social media game atm, this would stress me out even more at this intermediate stage.. I don't understand why people doing art as a hobby stress out about it, honestly. I often see reddit posts and just think:"But, you aren't intending to work as an artist, so why are you so stressed out about improving?". Though I have always wanted to improve even back when I drew only as a hobby but thats me and my competitive character. xD

[@daneascott9645]

I was taught early on that "the artist sets the rules for their own art. What might look mistakes to one artist, is perfection for the one doing it via their own set of rules."-first art teacher I had in elementary school. I rolled with this. I even spouted this in art college at points during crits where I felt professors were going too far at other peers(they would drive students to tears over the littlest stuff). So I would quote that and more often than not I'd be met with agreement and the student would be apologized to. Yes they had skills they needed to learn. But the point was to obtain those skills in a way that still worked with that students' own perspective and rules. TONS of critics of art start criticizing artists without EVER asking that artist what their goals and rules for their own art was. Always peeves me when I witness it. So seeing this video gives me hope more people see it and recognize what you're saying is a better way to approach art-bad or otherwise

[@user-lr8ow2jg4e]

However some people's rules are objectively better than others. Nobody is equal.

[@honeyshuckle9742]

This reminds me of this science experiment I heard about. A bunch of students were told to make pottery with different goals. One group was going to be scored on how much pottery they made, and the other group was judged on quality. The ones going for quantity across the board made pots better than the people who were judged for quality, even though those students did extreme research and worked their hardest to know every technique they could, and the quantity students were churning out pottery in minutes. Even making something 'bad' or 'quickly' will make you better overall. Just make.

[@JasmineRobotnik]

A lot of artists forget where they came from. At one point we all drew badly drawn bug eyed spiked hair anime stuff

[@goldenalbatross9462]

Just realized I pressured a hobbyist into trying to improve. This person posted their art in discord. Most of us liked it but we also started him to try improving. He asked why he should care since it’s only for fun. We said it’s to make better, cooler stuff and we had no ill intentions. Now I see that in trying to “support” an amateur artist, we may have made the hobby for him now require a skill floor that constantly rises.

[@kittysoftpaws3677]

Thats.. that's not helping, that's giving unwanted criticism and pressure

[@goldenalbatross9462]

@@kittysoftpaws3677 aw gee, thanks for repeating me

[@burntpixelsinspace]

@@kittysoftpaws3677 they said that

[@ChadScarbs]

Soooo Hows that Artist been doing after this? Good? Bad? Really bad?

[@dragensol]

I needed to hear this. I have felt the pressure you're talking about where I see polished artwork with nice crisp lines and perfect colors and effects that make everything look magical - and I just want to draw like that. I look at my own work, and I see the sketchy lines, the mid coloring and the non-existent after effects and I get disappointed. But then I find a piece where I remember how I felt while I drew. I remember getting into "the zone" and just drawing for hours, feeling no stress, no hunger, no tiredness, just "art bliss". And even if it still didn't come out as perfect as those online, I still love those pieces because I made them for me. So thank you for reminding me that this is normal and healthy.

[@DisabledKitkat6068]

Atleast Hobbyists are actually Improving using their own and bare hands than those who uses Ai.

[@NUCLEARxREDACTED]

This is a very valuable thing to think about. Making art for arts sake. It just made me think of the people who made art before even the concept of realism, rendering, lighting or any other technical skill. Back when people where drawing fancy stick people on cave walls. They probably weren't thinking about how good their stick figures where, they were probably just thinking about making stuff. If someone was to draw a bull like they did on those cave walls today, there is a good chance lots of people would just think its bad or mediocre, but despite that, despite just basically being stick figures on a rock wall. They have become some of the most valuable art humanity has access too. They have created a shared human connection across 10,000s of years. And I think that just goes to show that the value and meaning in art is not inexorably tied to how "good" the art is.

[@madness_mania]

this is why i quit social media it was just killing my drive to create for myself, other people breathing down my neck especially big companies for the top chance to comply and compete in the algorithm has done a number on my mental well being, i gave up instagram tiktok and twitter. i feel so much better sharing my art now to only my friends! i know this will be my job one day [not my only one of course i have plan on other finical stability] and i plan on working hard WITHOUT people seeing anymore if I'm going to be making something worth while on the internet, than ill disappear again and if people don't like it? cool! i made it for myself

[@L0rdOfThePies]

I used to have an acct or two with alot of followers when i was 13 and i know how stressful it is, i never wanna be in that position again, im happy just sharing art with friends

[@sfkdsxzjkcfjldskaf99sddf809sdf]

We should really be bullying people who think typing words into a machine makes art instead of people who are using their actual human hands to express themselves and are really putting in effort and trying! Stay winning hobbyist artists

[@Gimmyruinslives]

Lmao

[@dan_mnght]

I started reading you comment and my first thought was "well, we shouldn't really start bullying anyooo-" and the I read the "typing words" and "-oooh fuck it yeah that's okay" Just remember, don't give them ammunition, bully them in a classy way.

[@kittygirl0872]

I saw an image at pinterest that said "Ai sketch art" IT'S NOT A SKETCH IF IT WAS GENERATED.

[@DogSenator]

Hate we use on beginners is hate we could be using on the AI bros

[@sfkdsxzjkcfjldskaf99sddf809sdf]

@@DogSenator That's the spirit (just stay classy)

[@0uterspacew0rm-yl1bx]

this is such a great discussion to have! i'm a hobbyist artist who has never really shared my work online because i'm terrified of judgement from others and i always just kept on telling myself 'once i get good enough technical skills, i'll start posting it on social media', of course the day when my technical skills were good enough never came lol. but then about a year ago i looked back on everything i'd drawn and came to the realization that all the stuff i'd drawn over the years that i actually liked wasn't necessarily Good Art - it was the stuff that was of subject matter that really spoke to me, scribbled fanart of media that i was insanely passionate about and art that reminded me of how i was feeling when i made it. now i pretty much treat my sketchbooks like journals or scrapbooks where i can just put down everything i love and am influenced by on a page and ive never enjoyed art so much, like, who cares if that character's face looks a little wonky, its still a drawing of my favourite character, how could i not love it? so the colours didnt come out right on this page but i made it while listening to my favourite song so its still precious to me. maybe its overly sentimental but i think making art is such a personal process and that finding the things that you are moved by, that are beautiful to you, is the best thing about it

[@mythos2490]

Very hot art take. Honestly; I don’t think bad art exists, only bad perceptions of art if that makes sense. Art is inherently a beautiful form of our own humanity, i find that no art is inherently amazing or awful, its all good, there’s no inherent ‘improvement’ other than the ways you let it shape yourself. Like yes you have ways to make it look better to everyone else, and sometimes that’s needed for something like a comic, but that doesn’t make it the only good way to have art. Once I begin to try and make art for other people and make I get soooooooo depressed. Maybe i could make a ‘bad art’ exception when the intent of said art was to cause harm, such like fascist propaganda or like making harmful caricatures of people, or the boomer humour art style lmao (the last bit was more a joke).

[@alexandraward5323]

I think the most insidious part of social media has been the shift of "I am and artist sharing my art for fun" to "YOU are making art for ME to consume". Content consumers feel like it's their right to judge, critique, and deliver justice towards art and creators because content is created FOR the consumer, not as an outlet that the consumer shares with the artist. KZbin videos, tik tok, and Instagram are littered with comments of people demanding content, demanding subjects, demanding acknowledgment at therefore control over the creator. And the creators that do give in to their audience and bend over backwards for them are rewarded with more engagement, making it difficult for the ones just doing their own thing for fun. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it anyways! Your group will find you and even if it's small, it's more important to remain true to yourself than give in to the demands of strangers.

[@japangator]

This is why I love sketchbooks because you know the drawings in them are not suppose to be stuff to show off to others and it helps you so much mentally

[@ShuSha-rh6fj]

I feel when you join a group of learning artists, they're really understanding of doing (subjectively) bad. Because it's just art, and 0.5 is not 1, but still better than 0. Even half of something still mean you did something, which is always better than nothing.

[@MellyMellouange]

Hobbyist here. Instead of focusing on improvements, which is a results-oriented concept, I tend to focus on challenges, which is more of a process-oriented concept. That does help make art fun and exciting for me, enough to at least suppress some of my anxieties about whether or not it's good enough.

[@oh-seecreations6308]

this video is so important for artists who are still in the learning process; im not perfect myself but i've seen so many other artists who cant accept the idea of them having to create bad art and their fear of making bad art made them hate and give up the trial and error process entirely. quite a few of these people then pivoted to generating ai images bc it's "perfect" to them and don't have to put in any work. thats when i started doubling down on creating my "bad" art bc i just want to express my own passion and ideas through my own ability and not to care what others think. making art should have to be fun.

[@orenji_desu]

Avoidance is the best way to deal with what you hate. If you don't like something, ignore it.

[@005ahw]

As someone who has ‘quit’ art for nearly 4 years, thank you for making this

[@C_Raccoon23]

Wow, this video earned you a subscriber. The part about hobbyists feeling pressured to get professional level skills despite not even wanting an art career resonated with me and is something that I’m struggle with from time to time. You’re the first person I’ve heard that mentions it.

[@bovinleephann]

Man, while they layer apologized for it, about 8 years ago I once made something that, at the time, I thought was really good and a leap forward in my art, only for a friend to get upset at me for liking something that actually really bad, which absolutely made my fear of making bad art worse. It's the reason why I refrain from ever praising my own art, and always say it sucks no matter what

[@gwenhyfarbeati]

i never got to enjoy making bad art, because when i was really little (like first grade?) we would have an art class once a week and the teacher once told me that i shouldn't worry about drawing because she could tell i'd never be any good at it. it took 20 years for me to first hear that art was a skill one could learn if they practiced, and it's been another ten since then that i've been fighting against that inner critic and unable to enjoy my bad art. it doesn't help being older and the expectation that a new artist is also a *young* artist, and a lot of advice being aimed specifically at that (things like "you're still in school, it's ok! you'll have time later to work on fundamentals!" or whatever), on top of it just feeling really lonely to be in my mid-thirties and a beginner at art comparable to your average 15 year old. AND add to that having over 30 years of visually digesting art and gaining a "good eye" for it, but not simultaneously training my hand? it always feels like trying to draw with my non-dominant hand. anyway, thanks for this video. more people need to talk about making bad art, you know? and i'd LOVE to see artists actually show their bad art. i understand why they don't, of course, but it'd be nice!

[@foxzero99gaminglaptopadven60]

I have 2 peices of art, which probably are my favourite ones, these to arts would be considered "bad art" to most those 2 arts are a drawing of 2 stickmen eating at a dining table with chat bubbles talking about how good the food is and another with multiple badly rushed drawn characters with names ontop the first is me just wanting to draw like i was a child, drawing me and my sibling eating, and the other is me and my siblin drawing each others ocs with only description they may look bad, but I had fun with it, i felt happy with them, and those artworks will always be my favourites and you know whaat? from all the art peices i have, these 2 are the ones i hang up on the wall

[@lulub517]

Such a breath of fresh air for someone who has been struggling to perfect my art and music and it really drives you into a "I'm not good enough" mentality. I also tell friends when they have art block that the best thing that helps me in that situation is the sketch down a bunch of dumb doodles and crap to get out all the brain gunk causing the art block, so to speak. It actually really helps

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

Now, my comment was not the one that jumped started this video, but I have been screaming this into every corner of the internet I've ever wandered into. GOOD ARTIST MAKE BAD ART. BAD ARTISTS MAKE BAD ART. MEDIOCRE ARTISTS MAKE BAD ART. THIS IS UNIVERSAL. DRAW THE THING THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY. POST THE CRAP PIECES ANYWAY, EVERYONE WHO WOULD BULLY YOU IS ONLY A HYPOCRITE MOCKING SOMETHING THEY DO.

[@GoldenAugust-]

The art on thumbnail doesn't even look bad

[@mysryuza]

People should realize that we didn’t start out drawing the Mona Lisa or learned how to paint like Michelangelo instantly overnight. Bad art is part of the journey to improvement and we shouldn’t always shun it.

[@Amber_Scarlet]

I loved the video, I totaly agree with the statement, but I feel like I need to point out a topic that wasn't brought up in the video that I think is also worth mentioning; Material cost and the pressure that puts on the artists using those materials. This applies less so to people in situations where they don't need to worry about the money they spend -maybe they're being supported by parents of a friend group, or they have a high enough income to not need to worry about the cost of art suplies- but is still relevant for anyone who would be or has reason to be mindful of their spending. The cost of good art supplies is, for better or worse(defiantly worse), expensive. There's a very real pressure on artists to use the best of the best art supplies, or at the very least use the best that they can afford. And that pressure also comes with a fair amount of stigma, "you can't afford this, you didn't use that, you're not a real artist". The push to use expensive materials adds stakes to an artist's ability to make "good" art. I personally used to have a very hard time sitting down and drawing because I was afraid of wasting materials, "throwing away" the paper that I spent my month's earnings on, and "trashing" the new charcols and waterrcolors my grandma bought me. I've since learned to combat these fears by making thumbnail sketches on "cheep" supplies until I'm ready to commit to putting it down on the expensive sketchbooks I have for the "real art", but it's still something I struggle with. There are still times when I'll finally have all my thumbnail sketches done on my little flashcards and post-it notes, I'm ready to get out the charchols and inks, and I sit down with my sketchbook and freeze up. There was a time, about 2 years, when that stress made me physically unable to sit down and pick up a pencil or pen with the intent to draw something, the thought of making art used to throw me into a panic attack. I'm better, sure, but that anxiety and that mindset is still there in the back of my head, something I don't think I'll ever truly get rid of. This kind of anxiety that borders on dread wasn't there when I started making art digitally. I have infinite "paper"! My mistakes can be completely erased! I don't have to worry about the cost of paint anymore! It was freeing in a way that using affordable mechanical pencils from the dollar store, and 50-cent post-its just, wasn't. The fear of wasting money on expensive, or even inexpensive materials, only to "rruin" them with bad art isn't something that exists with digital media. But it's a fear and mindset that I grew up with, and one that influences they way I view the creative process. In an unfourtanatly negative way, I must admit. Sorry, long comment, it's something that's been weighing on me for a while now. This was a good excuse to get it all off my chest. TL;DR, the material cost of physical art puts pressure on traditional artists and hobbyists to create "perfect" art out of fear of wasting materials. That fear isn't present(or as present) in digital media.

[@Łc丹]

"It's important to have fun, even if you suck!" - Nijika

[@emo-grrrl]

2:20 that's exactly what i was wondering about almost all my life as an artist but never asked anyone because i thought something was wrong with me. while it's good to have a community, the art community puts so much pressure on you to make the best piece possible every time it's overwhelming, so i usually tend to stay away from it. thank you for covering this extremely important topic!!

[@Huzlnut]

Drawing is like a gacha sometime we get a legendary drawing that you can't believe that you draw that, but sometimes a low common stuff. But still to better that changes strive to improve as long as you enjoy it. Drawing takes time and everyone doesn't have the same path. Enjoy what you love improve to be what you wanna be and don't just be stuck in your save zone, get out and maybe you be something new.

[@Zistheone2]

I’m personally against gatekeeping art or bullying hobbyists since it’s that kind of mindset to pushes the negative stereotypes of artists and push people to either quit or support AI

[@YourLocalTechnopath]

Thinking about this, I remember this affecting my appreciation of the written word (literature) when I started taking the first baby steps for learning how to write stories on my own. Find peers better than myself, give feedback on their work, then show some of my work back for feedback. Most of the time the writing was evaluated only in terms of content consumability (how enjoyable it was to them). Which led to a pretty huge whiplash where the feedback for the first written piece in a while was... overly vicious? I remember that experience pressuring me a lot to the point of having trouble writing purely textual stories for a long while. Most of said people I befriended during that writing stint I've lost touch with b/c of the sheer amount of trauma relapses I've had from that kind of interaction. I still find it hard to write long blocks of fiction content to this day. By comparison, picking up drawing again went by a lot more... smoothly? I'd probably attribute that to having a peer who was better than myself open to critiquing experimental studies. Instead of... well... demanding every piece HAD to be finished and/or polished before it even grazed the person's eyes. That and I think it's a lot easier to perform self-critique on experimental graphical art pieces b/c the technical skills can be evaluated separately from expressive ability.

[@kishi_K0]

my problem is not being critiqued but its not being seen for years i felt as if i been throwing my art into the void with no one responding back now im in this nice community and my art is seen however if i draw something relevant to this community. my art tht has nothing to do with it is always ignored

[@DeltaRaptoran]

I have the same exact problem. It's like I don't exist or something... I get so jealous when I see artists that have friends on social media... no one seems to like the same things that I like. It's even worse inside fandoms. If your fanart isn't "good" then people just ignore it even if you draw the same thing as the other "better" artist. People online perpetuating the idea of "bad art has no value" don't help either.

[@CYNEMICAL]

This topic really resonates. For myself, I feel so much pressure to always deliver "good" art when shared is the pressure of being an adult who needs income. As a child the quality of my art didn't matter, I was free to enjoy the process. Its harder to let go now when, as a full-time artist for a living, there's this expectation to always create excellent work so prospective clients and employers will want to work with me.

[@burksaurus9410]

I'm an artist myself drawing with colored pencils. I'm a hobbyist since do my art as a hobby, but I really enjoy interacting with different artists regardless of their skills on DeviantArt. But I can't stand bullies and they are pissing me off on social media harassing artists because of their art especially with AI art being a serious issue

[@acsaudiodramas]

This is a very important video. I deeply respect the determination to make art a job and keep it up. I knew that this choice crushes lighthearted creativety and curiousity, but I had no idea that it is THIS anxiety-filling. I guess the increasing bullying online makes things much harder. Some of the artists of the past (I don't even mean the 'great painters' but indie- and mainstream comic artists, mangaka and animators) were rather suffering from the pressure they put on themselves than that of their critics. Even when I draw as a hobby, I often lose the fun in it when I put myself to higher and higher expectations. I know the feeling of fearing the white paper before me and crying about a ruined picture for two days. My luck is, that in the past 10 years the internet mostly ignored me. I'm certainly not one of the good artists. But I guess I fell into that crack of mediocricity, so I was just too small and average to be bullied. It is important that you still produce art for your own enjoyment that you don’t have to share with others. And if you share it - maybe with a limited community of non-bullies.

[@macdongr]

I'm going to share this with a lot of my communities. I absolutely have been guilty of thinking I'm not a good artist for making something not up to my standards, or hell, even just taking a long time to make a drawing. I have to stop hating myself for making what I consider to be mistakes. Learning takes a lot of time and, while having ADHD does make sitting down and wanting to learn difficult, I shouldn't let the fact that I'm still learning make me feel like less of an artist. Thank you, Celestia, for jogging my memory of why I love to make art, the process of learning as I go.

[@stacystudios9476]

As a hobbyist that doesn’t care to get better, I appreciate this a lot. All I wanna do is have fun in my free time. I mainly do cartoony comics, but I like to dabble in a bit of realistic sketches by sketching based on a picture on my phone. I really only do one subject who is a character on a 70s-80s tv show. I only show my best friends my portraits, but I like to put my cartoony comic characters on a site called Unvale. I like to organize my characters on there, and the people on it are very kind.

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

It seems like (for now) that Cara's been a great place for artists of art skill. Its been a nice place to share my art, and I hope it continues being like that 🥰

[@Karmathehalflander]

Normalize not wanting to improve! I know many people want to branch out and get better but I’ve known artists who draw the exact same pose with the exact same species over and over again and they love it! Because that’s what brings them joy and they don’t want to do anything else! This was even something I did for two years of my life (then I decided I did want to branch out) but I think it’s fine to just do one thing over and over because if that’s what’s fun for you then that’s all that matters

[@theConcernedWyvern]

I've always been focused on making good art, even as a kid. I never really had that "I don't care how my art looks because I'm making it for fun" mentality. I personally really like building my skill as a form of fun and looking back on what I made before vs what I can can do now. With that being said, focusing only on improvement can be such a huge struggle. I tend to worry about my art looking good a lot, so I don't step outside of my comfort zone as much as I want to, which in turn hurts my progress. It can be a heck of a struggle, but I tend to only draw for myself, which I think helps a lot. Yeah, I post things on social media and show my friends, but I want to get better so I can make stuff I personally think looks awesome. The only problem with that is I'm wayyyy harsher on myself. I can probably really benefit from letting my art be bad, it just takes a lot for me to get to that point.

[@KatRapsWasTaken]

I got so excited when I realized that you were drawing a vocaloid lol. Also as someone who posts their art I 100% struggle with all the things that you mentioned, I’m also fairly young so naturally my art is not as good as people who have had more time to draw. But I think that I’ve been growing out it.

[@NightStarGamer]

I feel we let the criticism of those who don't know the process it takes to get good at art too seriously. Though an outside observation can be good, knowing what to listen to is important. When I got back into art around 2019/2020, I wanted the work that I posted to show the process an artist takes to improve. Even with this mindset going into it, I fell into the trap of only valuing the art that turned out, "looking good." So when I'd start learning something new or improving a skill, I'd slip into a bad mindset. Even if I went into it with the " it won't be good" mentality. I learned that this constantly needing to improve or making 20/10 art ironically led to me taking longer to improve.

[@reversal2341]

If I ever got criticized when I finally feel good enough to publish my drawings publicly, I may take those critics to improve of course, but at the same time I'll make another drawing that emphasize said mentioned mistake in said critic just for the funni

[@franciscofernandez3415]

"Perfection and power are overrated, you are wise to choose happiness and love" -Uncle Iroh.

[@jeremymartin7403]

One big example of traditional (bad art) that I find inspiring is one punch man , mob psycho 100 , cat soup and attack on titan as alot of people would say the art is bad there are some scenes and panels that just evoke such strong emotion while being simple ot amateurish while I love good art I absolutely love rough art that evokes feeling or a vibe I feel like manga like chainsaw man or jujitsu kaisen definitely have this kind of teenager drawing shit they just find cool vibe to it that I absolutely love some times it might not look perfect but in my eyes that's what art is all about its apart of the human existence ,make art even if it isnt conventional and I swear someone out there will love it!

[@takendruid]

Pretty much most of my drawings I do most of my time are sketches, and never really full drawings that are lined, coloured, and rendered. I think this has really saved me from the “I mustn’t make bad art” anxiety a lot of artists have, because I don’t draw to make full illustrations most of the time I draw. But to be fair, this has impacted me so much that I wasn’t making full pieces for my school work in university (thankfully foundation year) unfortunately until my final module. But it’s also a double edged sword. Most of my work isn’t fully rendered work, but that also means it’s hard to post my stuff online and get it out there. That’s where my anxiety as an artist comes from, the fact I can’t really post my work online like the way I used to

[@Bianntoimasu]

Art became a huge pressure nowdays with everyone making great art and young ppl making gorgeous pieces, so with a lot of artists comes a lot of criticism like ppl who take small artists and "fix" their art while badmouthing the original drawing and saying a ton of shitty stuff ,like kooleen or whatever and whenever you post a drawing that took you DAYS to finish someone has to ignore all the good parts in the drawings and point the flaws like even if you where doing it as a hobby or hopping for perfection it still hurts when ppl would make fun of your art because it doesn't fit their qualifications Please be nice to artists, we try our best to not cry because the drawing looks so bad compared to others our age or our friends.. or scroll

[@skootergirl22]

I still use the big head and eye style, and im in my 30s, but i improved on it to make it my own style but also can draw semi realistic on paper. The cartoon style is for digital

[@lilylookittykyu3115]

"If you can't be the best, be the worst." - Kim Junkyu, 2020

[@rpgcross]

AI being so soulless made me appreciate even more bad art, to the point i intentionally use those for attention if i have nothing else to talk about in discussions I still wanna improve, so i take these as a sign of relief and still do my best

[@danferrusquia2819]

I needed this video. I’m not a visual artist (my sister got that particular talent) but I deal with this same struggle in my music and songwriting. I want the confidence I had when I was nine years old, writing my first ever song and performing it in front of my entire K-12 school for the talent show believing I was some sort of prodigy. Now I have so many unfinished songs because I got too in my head about whether or not they were good enough to publish

[@TCTKK_AFK]

3:54 I'm happy you told me this I also with that and lately I've been having a hard time drawing my main oc online I'm not use to drawing online so I'm quite thankful for this have a great day

[@MoolsDogTwoOfficial]

Thank you so much Celestia! You made me realise that trying to be perfect every new illustration is just a hopeless chase for a utopia. My current illustration I’m making isn’t really better than the last, and you know what? That’s okay! Because that’s the process of becoming better. You make bad art to learn from. If we made perfect art every time, then what’s there to learn? Nothing!

[@BlueBerryPrinceStuff]

Making comics by Lynda Barry talks about how bad art is great too! It also has drawing exercises that could help prevent losing your inner child.

[@alecurzvn]

a very interesting topic for a video. looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

[@crystalw_725]

This wasn't mentioned in the video, but personally, as someone who doesn't really post art on social media, the reason I hate making bad art is because of the disappointment and frustration of not being able to fully realize my ideas/artistic vision. Often times I'll go into a piece with an idea of what I want to make (for example, a character design that's been bouncing around in my head) and not being able to reacreate that image makes me feel discouraged. I often give up on the sketch stage and move on to the next thing eventually. (Ok even when I like the sketch I still stop at that stage often bc I'm afraid of 'ruining' it but that's a separate issue. My sketch-to-finished-piece ratio is insane lol). I know art is a skill that can take a lot of time to develop to even a satisfactory level, and also our mental images are fuzzy so a 1:1 recreation is virtually impossible, but lacking the ability to manifest the image in my mind onto the paper (or screen) is kinda demotivating and can prevent me from liking it for what it is, even without any outside influences telling me my art is bad.

[@SpicaStudios6427]

I like to look at my really old art and appreciate how far I’ve come (I made an art piece that actually exceeded my expectations, so I’m pretty happy)

[@CloverEtoile]

This might actually help me get the confidence to try drawing humans instead of avoiding them, thanks ❤

[@huldanoren951]

And just because you might view something you made as bad, doesn't mean others will too. I recently posted a very rushed piece of fanart for a local holiday, and after I posted it, every single technical mistake immediately jumped out to me. The hair didn't flow correctly, the bottom of the dress looked too stiff and had the wrong perspective, I forgot a few shadows, etc. But despite that, I received nothing but praise and it even seemed to have inspired others to draw the character as well as he wasn't very popular before. You know your art better than anyone else, so you also know your art's mistakes better than anyone else. Most people who haven't looked at a piece of art for hours (which is pretty much everyone except you) won't immediately spot all the mistakes in it. And most people viewing your publicly posted art will be non-artists, so they won't even have the trained eye to spot those mistakes in the first place. So don't fret over all the mistakes you notice after posting. Only you notice them.

[@disspointmentXD]

huh? wheres squarespace IM SCARED! ARE YOU OK!?:??!?!?!??!! OH NO

[@yourhorseyepona7309]

She must've divorced Squarespace😂💀💀

[@atreuspng]

I think my frustrations regarding 'bad art' in terms of my own creative journey is that art level and quality heavily determines success of your projects and ideas potentially being picked up to become something bigger so you could have access to the tools and fullest potential for your ideas. I am an OC artist, I want to turn a lot of my ideas in tv shows, games, etc, but I feel hesitant to post my art a lot of the time due to how "same-y" it feels, behind the scenes I do draw other things beside canines and try my best to practice human art (because I genuinely want to improve within that area.) but I get embarrassed at the quality I should of been able to draw by now if it weren't for disability and brain fog hurting my ability to improve. This isn't to say there haven't been people who have achieved these things regardless of their skill level etc, but I'm also in a position in my life where I feel stuck and not sure how to network and branch out because at the same time, I'd take being able to make my ideas, art, etc to the fullest without having to gain an audience if I had that choice. It's also just extremely difficult as a disabled artist to keep up with regular posting, I don't upload online much anymore either due to bad past experiences and a lot of the AI art and just the whole issue with algorithms hurting any confidence I have to post. I miss the ambitions and hope I had for my future and ideas when i was a kid so much.

[@desireesepertino7077]

It's very hard to draw for the sake of drawing when you become a "serious" artist. When i was in school i drew as a way to relax, now i relax by doing things not related to drawing ahahah This is the reason why I always tell my friends and family that i don't intend to monetize my other artistic hobbies, i don't want them to become a job or something i have to worry about, i'm happy to do my shitty little crochet stuff and my shitty sculptures without external (or internal) pressure

[@chibibble]

You're timing is impeccable. I just spent an hour yesterday doing timed figure drawing practice, and I had an absolute blast. I've been so frustrated with my art recently, as it's not at the level I want it, and that stagnation is largely because I'm scared of being bad at what I want to improve on. All of the figure drawings came out terrible btw, but it didn't matter. I felt so much more relaxed after that session, and now I'm going to start incorporating sessions like that into my daily art workflow.

[@anotherrandomperson9174]

This is such an interesting video for me to experience! I first started watching you because I wanted to improve my art, but whenever I get on one of those kicks it’s inevitably followed up with me dropping visual art for awhile. I’ve been thinking recently about how I’m not very accomplished in any of my hobbies (actually I’m terrible at a lot of them) but I still love them to pieces. This kinda helped pick me up from that mindset w the discussion of the hustle culture professionalization of our hobbies and what makes us happy. I’m a hobbyist; always have been, always will be, and my art just recently consistently reached what I consider “acceptable” levels, and I still take plenty of shortcuts as I go. But I’m happy with what I produce, and the process is satisfying being confident I will produce something that I’ll like. I don’t think I’ll continue to actively look to improve, something I realized when watching this video, which is kinda full circle for me. But I’ll keep watching your channel, because I love your longform discussions of serious topics and I respect your sense of professionalism and insight when it comes to discussions. Ah, one more thing to add. I wanna pull out one of my old sketchbooks. It was custom made for me by a friend, but I never really began with it since I was so afraid to sully their hard work. Now I feel more confident, I wanna fill that thing up to the brim.

[@NEZNighteaterZ]

Beautifully and maturely put. I hope you continue to spread your message. Thank you 🙏

[@NSFishW]

One of the easiest ways to make myself laugh is to use the symmetry ruler and just start doodling monstrosities. That stuff looks awful in the best way possible.

[@ZarBluestar]

I’ve always assessed “bad art” specifically as the art that the artist does not critically analyze. Still trying to “make it good” but never critiquing one’s self over.

[@strokeofjasmine]

I dropped the perfect art idea when I made myself sketch in pen. I don't care how my sketches look anymore, if folks don't like it then oh well it's not for them. I create art for myself at the end of the day. That's how I see it. Great video! :D

[@sjfjdhg]

it's important to know that being an artist isn't always gonna be about the fundamentals or perspective (tho if you really wanna be professional at it you should know that) it's also about self expression about your feelings and about your love towards a certain thing. it's important to have fun doing that and i know that today's standards for artists that have styles who aren't tiktok's standard one would have a harder time being given positive feedback but that's okay there is no such thing as bad art no matter how messy or confusing it is it's still qualified as art! and i know it's gonna be hard to love your art when so many people online doesn't but you should keep doing your thing and remember to love your art before anyone else would :]

[@Gamingpandacat]

not being able to fully enjoy making my art is what keeps holding me back, getting better doesn't mean anything if I can't just be comfortable with my skill level to actually get into it and figure out what I like and where I need improvements

[@PerriVGaming]

I needed this so bad. I went on a 3-4 month hiatus because I thought my art wasn't good enough (and the dreaded art block). Now I'm currently trying some styles to see what fits me. Thank you so much.

[@nxomiiig]

ty for this tbh im rlly deppressed rn and this gave me the motivation to try !!!

[@raxxie]

between this and the perfectionism video... I finally started drawing fanart again. Just for fun! I never thought I could have this much fun drawing digitally, just for me

[@bettyunicorn6132]

For me when I try to “improve” it just looks worse to my eyes. So I’ll keep making my unrended small child drawings very quickly until I die, because I love drawing and people irl say I’m very good. (I don’t post to social media as I mostly draw with crayons and pens and my art looks worse when I do it digitally as I don’t have an Apple pen.)