IS JESUS GOD?

[@Triumph_of_the_Sky]

When I hear the opening music; “Well alright”

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

😂 Thank You for making me smile & laugh.

[@BenPat88]

😂 love it!

[@Triumph_of_the_Sky]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Shade, do you have an email I could contact you at?

[@laurengianna9944]

Love you brother Shade 🙏🏼♥️

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You! Holy Hugs and Love to You too!

[@jenniferpepler5843]

I felt the need to thank you for explaining things to us newbies and not presuming we know this stuff. 🙂 What your saying makes sense to me!! Thanks Shade

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Sister! There are many moments where I feel like a 'newbi' as well...I think that has an upside...reminds us to remain humble. I appreciate your encouragement Jennifer!

[@jasonsinkewicz751]

Another great teaching brother Shade. May God continue to bless your ministry by always walking in the spirit of Christ. Brothers and sisters across the world are waking up and digging into the scriptures. Your teachings help bridge the gap from misinterpretations of scripture to using proper hermeneutics. We are all one in Christ and experiencing God reconciling the world to himself. Many blessings brother. ✝️

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

'Always walking in the Spirit of Christ'. I love that Brother! Thank You for your kindness and encouragement.

[@timtucker5050]

Absolutely great teaching! Thanks Shade

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much Brother Tim!

[@aaronclinger3521]

That was excellent. I've been thinking about that subject for some time now. Being raised a Mormon and now in the process of complete deconstruction of that cult. Never really did buy their BS, nor was steeped into the traditions. At 65 years old now I spent more time out of it, than I ever was as involved Mormon. The COVID-Con was the best thing that ever happened to me. I really started searching when I saw the nefariousness of this time coming forth...

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing your testimony. I hope that some of the video presentations will be helpful to you in your journey. And Thank You for your kind words.

[@estebanblanco2001]

If you want to be sure you are going to Heaven, please watch How to go to Heaven by Steven Anderson

[@jenniferpepler5843]

Good for you for getting out of the Mormon cult! I am sure you had your struggles in doing so. You must be a strong man and I agree with you, in many ways C one niner was indeed a blessing! God bless you!

[@robshank1983]

I love it 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 grace love and peace to all in the name of Jesus Christ ✝️❤️

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great to hear from you Brother! I always appreciate your encouragement!

[@robshank1983]

@@ShadeStoneMusic in a world of false teachers and false profits, I super appreciate what you do man. And it’s always crazy how things will pop up in my life and then all of the sudden Shade Stone uploads the video I need to see. Your teachings make me think that this was the kind of feeding Jesus was talking about. John 21:16-17 “feed my sheep” I love it brother. You don’t add to or take anything away from the Bible. And I’m there for that. Thank you man

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@robshank1983 ...If you were in front of me, you would get a very long snug (perhaps uncomfortable) 'Bro-Hug' my Brother. Thank You!

[@daviator4720]

Always enjoy your teachings Brother Shade. You are a blessing !💗

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank you Brother!

[@spitfire577]

Thank you for sharing another wonderful teaching. ❤

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

You are welcome. And Thank You for the encouragement! 💌

[@JackMcClendon]

Excellent edification. Thank you Brother Shade

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother!

[@jewela44]

So good! Thanks so much for another solid teaching!😊

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

You are so welcome! Thank you my Sister!

[@disclosure-100]

Great Content... had to watch it again

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You! 💌💌

[@heavensgateway]

Shade Stone, Oh wow, finally someone who sees what the bible is actually saying. Thank you so so very much. You are saying exactly how I think. And I have learned a few things from you that opened my eyes to what I didn't see. I write alot, and read daily. So I do miss some, but then God sends me help. Thanks I have been studying the bible for years, by myself. And God has given me the knowledge I needed to help me understand what took place then, and what is taking place now. I will watch a YT video and sometimes comment on my thoughts. Bamm...I get attacked always for my beliefs. "I do not believe, nor have I ever believed, God was Jesus in the flesh" and that God himself came to earth born an infant and died a man, for us. (first of all, why, because he loved us?) While reading throughout the OT, I notice that back then when an Angel of the Lord would speak to someone, they would refer to him as "My Lord". They knew it was not God in the flesh, nor his voice, but his words. And they still referred to the Angel as God. Just like when Jacob fought with the Angel. They knew that it was not God himself, but his words, his powers. And yet refer to him fighting God. God always spoke thru someone on earth or the Angels sent to earth. Just like Jesus said, no one has ever "personally seen God" but the Son. (this is why I believe it was Adam sent back to earth, God only has one Son) Jesus told Mary after he rose; "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to My Father and your Father, My God and your God." Thank you so much for your knowledge. God is surely opening eyes.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for your encouragement!

[@teresalee7738]

Then why does it say Jesus was the last Adam not Adam reincarnated

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@teresalee7738 I'm not sure I understand your question? That being said...It says in Luke 3:38 that 'Adam was the son of God'. Jesus, the Last Adam is the Son of God. Again, I'm not sure I understand the question, but I thought I would explain that the Last Adam them points to Jesus being the Son of God.

[@heavensgateway]

@@teresalee7738 He is also called the second Adam. I think it is a figure of speech maybe the way they talked. But I do know that God only had one Son. And who was that Son? If you are saying Jesus was not Adam, then you are saying God had two sons. So either way, it is how I have read and understand scripture. I could be right, or I could be wrong. But I think we are all in that category. I just use logic and this makes perfect sense to me.

[@helenlowder3424]

Thank you shade for another teaching. I got into a discussion with oneness person yesterday and I shared all the scriptures to prove that Jesus is the son and he called me Satan

[@ryanremembers]

Jesus is the Son of God, as are you. The Son is the Word. The Word is expression, articulation and vibration. Jesus is an expression and articulation of God, in vibration, as is all.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I've heard of responses like this. This topic can and should be open to discussed without setting the greatest commandment aside. Thank You for sharing!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@ryanremembers ...the Scriptures do say that others can become the 'sons of God' as well. So I do appreciate this commentary Brother.💌

[@ryanremembers]

@@ShadeStoneMusic thanks for being open to it! To that I would say that one cannot become what they already are. You cannot make yourself divine, but you can realize what is already so. Cheers, brother!

[@user-py8pc1kg9l]

Wow. The worst I've been called is a heretic! But to be called Satan....why don't they just admit that they don't know how to argue your points???

[@calcal5969]

Be blessed brother... your teachings are sincerely appreciated... Thanks Yes... John 1 makes it SO CLEAR... Backdating it to the VERY BEGINNING... the WORD which WAS and IS GOD... became Flesh... Emanuel... GOD WITH US... HALLELUJAH... HE IS PRESENTLY LIVING IN US... GLORY TO GOD... THE DEITY OF CHRIST IS NEVER TO BE QUESTIONED ❤🙏🏼❤️

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the kind words. I greatly appreciate the encouragement!

[@colingr318]

“Sleight Of Mind” - THE FALSE ARGUMENTS OF TRINITARIANISM - Steven Blake Available in 2 volumes in Kindle or hardcopy format. Steven covers the a - z of this subject.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for your suggestion. It is an intriguing subject to discuss and learn about.

[@deanfloyd8931]

"He thought it not robbery to be equal...."

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Yes...unique line. I think the NASB rendering is a little closer to what the writer intended: He 'did not consider equality with God something to be grasped'. He wasn't trying to be equal; but rather chose to serve. I think that is the point of the text. Thank You for commenting. 💌

[@joycebippus6015]

Really well explained. Because of the many scriptures, I never bought in to the Trinity. You can also research where the "Trinity" doctrine originates. Thank you for sharing this!🙏

[@wonka822]

Thanks shaade

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

You are very welcome.

[@robertdouglas8895]

We are all one with God, created in His likeness. John 17:20-23 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this! Yes, I love the 'connectivity' that is in this passage. 💌

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Even though it includes a prayer that we all be one with God and Christ, it's only in the imagination of the prodigal son that we could be separate. The kingdom of heaven is still within all of us and we don't have the power to change God's creation.

[@heavensgateway]

@@robertdouglas8895 exactly

[@NoName-ye2fc]

John 20: 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Yes, many bring this up. That said, there are many ways we can look at this...Perhaps Thomas could see the fulness of the Father's power in Jesus...so he was seeing Jesus (Lord) and the Father's full power (God). I could also say that if Jesus is the High Priest of the heavens, then Jesus is Thomas' God, via his High Priest position under the order of Melchizedek which is a perpetual priesthood. We should also mention that Thomas saying My Lord and my God doesn't make a triune god because there is only two titles mentioned. This would lend a little better to Modalism, but even then, why didn't he just say 'My God' or 'My Lord God'? One big title for one God. And of course, we have that huge challenge of Jesus saying He has a God all the way into Revelation, which is way past the time with Thomas. Jesus says in one verse (Revelation 3:12) that He has a God 4 times.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

@@ShadeStoneMusic it could mean what it says. Thomas identifying that Jesus Christ is his Lord and God. The Father is God and The Son is God they both accepted the worship of men. The Father is Jesus' God and my God and Jesus is the word made flesh. The Father no man has seen but the Word which is the Fathers Word BECAME FLESH. You got people in these comments thinking Jesus isn't God. Tread carefully your wrong about a lot. Like Satan being bound when angels came to minister to Jesus. And satan loosed when he entered Judas. No where do those scriptures imply that. And you are wrong about Jesus not being God , you are false teacher. And we're in Satan's little season if you hadn't noticed.

[@kelliea5729]

@@NoName-ye2fc while I am personally undecided as to whether Christ IS God, or whether He is the Son (which I am leaning toward), I do not agree that we are in Satan’s little season. He has been bound…evil still exists and always will, but the “father” of evil is no more. His evil spirit lives on just as Jesus told the Pharisees in their day that they were sons of him…

[@vedinthorn]

@@kelliea5729 he is both at the same time.

[@vedinthorn]

@@TheChurchOfTheCampOfTheSaints eisegesis

[@toefoneman]

Good backing for what you believe! I don't agree entirely with everything but hey, it's it really good!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much for this message! I really appreciate when people kindly disagree with some things, and yet are still supportive...that is very impressive. Again, Thank you!

[@toefoneman]

@@ShadeStoneMusic yeah. Im kinda into learning about the truth; you were giving many sides of the story/view. I feel validated by your work! Keep it up man!

[@jeffkooistra264]

Good as usual, Shade. Since God is the Father, does anyone ever ask you who His wife is? They have a Son together. Or was He married to Mary? Oh wait, that was the Holy Spirit, right? lol It gets frustrating to explain that God is an infinite being, the source of being. He's knows we're not up to the task of grasping infinity, at least not while we're here on Earth. God gave us very useful metaphors about himself to help us cope with our limitations in understanding Him. Those are in the Bible. Christians just need to roll with it and show love to our neighbors like we were told to do. Wrapping our minds around infinities will just have to wait.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Tons of wisdom here my good Brother! This is a fantastic commentary. And a pinch of that awesome sense of humor that I always look forward to. Thank You Brother!

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

@@ShadeStoneMusicI think the example Jesus gave the lawyer who asked “who is my neighbor?” is still not registering with many Christians today. Jesus honoring a Samaritan would be like a Christian honoring a Muslim. So many Christians would rebuke you for suggesting a Muslim could ever practice righteousness.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@BingoNamo-gb8pz Yes indeed! The point of that Parable is that everyone is our neighbor; including folks (injured or not) that may or may not have our same beliefs.

[@ArsenioMarcelino]

Good point in between Jesus Christ Life and Resurrection everything changed how when Jesus Christ ask Peter who do you say I Am but after He arose from dead Thomas said to him my Lord and My God

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

The word 'God' and 'Lord' can be used interchangeably.

[@ArsenioMarcelino]

@@ShadeStoneMusic those who denies His deity is Anti-Christ

[@ArsenioMarcelino]

@@ShadeStoneMusic brother don't get pressure to me can you point out Jesus Christ in The first Book of The Holy Bible First Chapter and verse in Genesis?

[@ArsenioMarcelino]

@@ShadeStoneMusic even too Rabbi nor scholar's. Can't answer

[@terivalvano6961]

Hello Shade, thank you for all the work you put into your teachings. My son and I have been following along with much appreciation. I have a question regarding 1Corinthians 15:24-28 If Jesus completed the work and handed the kingdom back to God, is he no longer our high priest, because God is all in all? Thank you

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Hello! I'm always thrilled to read messages like this. A parent with their child, considering these presentations. Amazing! Thank You. Your question is fantastic. It really is. This is something all Christians should be discussing. That said, very few are because most still think the work is not complete. So this is my take. Consider Scriptures like this: 1st John 2:2 - And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the "whole world". Or 1st Timothy 4:10 - ...we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of "all men", specially of those that believe. So do I think that Jesus the Anointed is still High Priest? Yes. I think it's a permanent position; in perpetuity; a Chief Corner Stone. To me, that communicates a permanent position because He "established" the heavenly kingdom. So from where I sit, the entire world has a merciful High Priest...even if they don't know it. After all, Jesus said: "Forgive them Father; they know not what they do." Hope this helps!

[@terivalvano6961]

@@ShadeStoneMusic It certainly does. Thank you!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@terivalvano6961 ...I am thrilled to hear that! And Thank You so much for your support. 💌

[@Ditchdiggerpewsitter]

So Shade, If I may ask, what do you suggest confessing Christians should do. Should we attend a Christian fellowship or not. Should we find synergy with any particular Christian group and if so which/where do you suggest? Thank you.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great question! I'm not so sure my answer will be very satisfactory, but I will certainly offer my opinion. Personally, I think this is a 'to each their own' scenario. I don't go to any 'denominational buildings'. They aren't 'my thing'. I congregate with anyone who leads with genuine love, patience, and kindness towards my family. To me, that is a 'Christian group' because they are being 'Christ-like' or 'God-ly' in obeying the greatest command. If they love me as themselves, we can fellowship. That is my approach and it works really well for my family, but it may not work for all.

[@kelliea5729]

@ditchdiggerpewsitter - for what it’s worth - I have not found any churches that believe as I do, and it not fellowship in my mind if I cannot reason with them and discuss God’s Word. The love we are supposed to share gets lost and ostracization and name calling take its place. That is just my personal experience, but I much prefer home assemblies over buildings with many that still cling to old covenant rituals.

[@Ditchdiggerpewsitter]

@@kelliea5729 Hi K, I think I understand where you are coming from. You may have seen some of my posts along the way. I have been disfellowshipped from my home congregation for well over a year due to my preterist beliefs. I still love and pray for them and am currently enjoying fellowship at another congregation, albeit without communion privileges. I am admittedly a bit bullheaded but wish to stick close to the body of Christ (And, for sure, that can be in a home fellowship). However, many of us do not even have access to a place to fellowship with our heretical beliefs. So?, we will have to wait on the Lord to see what he does with us just as so many of our brothers and sisters down through the ages had to wait for things to change and convictions to align in some positive ways. So, thanks for posting, I believe you are in Canada as am i. May the Lord bless you on your journey with Him and us His people.

[@AiluraMelas]

Hey Bro! I found it helps if I really try hard to bear in mind that all are image bearers whether Sisters and Brothers or not.

[@AiluraMelas]

And on another note: I think the full preterist view ultimately gives the most glory to God for life goes on down here in perpetuity.

[@AiluraMelas]

Or the more sinners saved over time the more Glory given.

[@AiluraMelas]

And continue to pray I get off my lazy butt and get this screen printing deal up and running and get you your shirt...

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I agree Brother! Great to hear from You! 💌

[@YeshuaReigns2-t2d]

​@AiluraMelas I believe the scriptures disagree with that statement. God vowed that ultimately His glory will cover the earth. Exodus defines God's glory as His character, His holiness, His goodness. It's a sure thing that God's glory is not covering the earth now. And if conditions on this earth remain in perpetuity, then His glory will never cover the earth. That would translate to God breaking His vow. Which is unthinkable as well as impossible. Full preterism fails the revealed will and plan of God. Peace.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

Acts 20:28 “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Love this! The Scriptures also say that Jesus became a 'quickening Spirit'. And that 'the Lord is the Spirit'. So that appears to be the Spirit of Christ moving the first century saints to feed the church of His Father. I'm thinking that is why in Verse 21 it says: repentance toward God, and faith(fulness) toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

"purchased with the blood of his own." Nestle's Greek New Testament.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 ...Thank You for sharing this! So the writer could be referring to the Father purchasing the church by the blood of His own Son.

[@heavensgateway]

@NoName-ye2fc, this could also very well mean, If Jesus is the Son of God, he would have the blood of God. So God's blood was on the cross and died for us. God's Son. But, not God himself, for he does not die and he is ALL Spirit.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

@@heavensgateway You have quite an imagination.

[@judithspears9356]

Amen..❤

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

💌💌

[@marshalherbine9794]

Good day brother, shade stone. For me you have solve one of the greatest mystery and controversy in christianity with this video and the video of Jesus being the Word. The vast majority of christians do not know that there are 3 categories of gods mention in scripture. category 1: The Father alone is the only true God [john 17vs3] HE alone is uncreated ane unbegotten [psalm 90vs2] category 2: The FATHER gave birth,life exitence to His son,the Word who became Jesus. The Word is the one and only begotten God [john 3vs16,18, 3vs16, 1john 4vs9] The Father then use HIs only begotten son, the Word to create the angellic gods [colossian 1vs15-16,psalm82vs6, daniel 3vs25] conclusion: the Father alone is - the only true God, the Word aloneis the only -begotten god, angels are - created gods. thanks for your ministry and all the hard work you are doing it is much appreciated, we are all praying and rooting for you. keep up the excellent work. please send these two videos to all chritians. have a spirit filled day.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for posting this. I do indeed appreciate your commentary, and the kind words! Grace & Peace.

[@markusmustermann1265]

The judgments of God on earth continue in his gospel of grace. We have the DNA of our physical parents, Jesus the Son of God has the same spiritual DNA as his father. Characteristics of the nature of God are: He is the One, the Holy, the Almighty, the Eternal, the Loving, the Merciful, the Just, the Perfect. God is not unknown, not hidden; he reaches out to man, speaks to them and allows them to speak to him. First and foremost he speaks through his word and through all who have received him in faith. Blessing

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this commentary!

[@NoName-ye2fc]

Names of Jesus in Scripture Immanuel - Matthew 1:23. Lamb of God - John 1:29. Alpha and Omega - Revelation 22:13. King of the Jews - Matthew 27:37. Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace - Isaiah 9:6. The Bread of Life - John 6:35. The Redeemer - Isaiah 59:20. The Living Stone - 1 Peter 2:4-8.

[@kelliea5729]

Shade, how would you interpret this then? The 'son' is called, 'Mighty God, Father of eternity" Isaiah 9:6 For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace. Also, doesn't deity mean God? By the way, I agree that the Son is lower than God himself, but I can see how some verses are very confusing and get interpreted in the way they do.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I would say He is a 'mighty God'. There are also 'mighty Angels'...He is indeed a 'mighty God'. That said, as 1st Corinthians 15 says, He is still 'subject' unto the Father. By the way...have you ever seen the Aramaic Bible in Plain English? Look at their rendering: "the Mighty Man of Eternity". I find that interesting since Paul still calls Jesus 'The Man' in 1st Timothy 2:5. I am not slamming my fists on that rendering, I just found that rendering interesting. The Father of Eternity fits Christ well also because without Jesus we don't have the 'eternal High Priest' with the 'endless life'. And yes, there are some verses that are difficult no matter what position someone takes. All the more reason to not be dogmatic about it.

[@heavensgateway]

@kelliea5729 There is "Almighty" and there is "Mighty". God is ALL Mighty.

[@marshalherbine9794]

correction brother shadestone, [john 3vs16, should be john 1vs18] sorry typing error have a great day.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You!

[@aussierob7177]

Jesus is God the Son, the second divine Person of the Trinity.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank you for sharing.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

Deut 6.4-6, Mark 12.28-32, John 17.3, John 20.17, Rom 15.6, Rom 16.27, I Cor 8.6, II Cor 11.31, I Tim 2.5, Rev 1.5-6, Rev 3.12.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing these Scriptures! 💌

[@dutchd3619]

This is mind blowing truth !! I do not know how i didnt see any of this for 30 yrs. Actually its because the trinity was pushed on us since day one but its clear there is no trinity !! Also its clear Jesus is not God himself but is Gods Son !! I just dont know how to answer people when they point to the only verse ,John ch 1 vs 1 that says the Word was God ??

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the encouragement! Yes, we will have to deal with this one...I plan to within a week or two...hopefully, it will be helpful.💌

[@birdie7776]

Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. I believe John 1

[@NoName-ye2fc]

John 1 spells out that Jesus is God and isn't the only place in the scriptures....John 20 :27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

John 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

Acts 20:28 “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.”

[@BbulL2027]

Being on the "right hand" and "Son" are Hebrew idioms. They are not meant to be taken literally. Jesus tells those of his day that before he was 'I am'. Meaning he was Jehovah. In John 14, he reveals to his disciples that if they have seen him, they have seen the Father. When he uses the word Son, it means his mortal body or God incarnate, or rather he is the "form of God". Also, servant and son are interchangeable in Hebrew. You can see this in the various translations of the Bible where some will use the word 'son' and others 'servant'. Next, Jesus talks about himself in the 3rd person often. For example, the "Son of man will come in the clouds". Why doesn't he say 'I will come in the clouds'. Lastly, the word AND can also be used to tie several words to the same concept, doesn't always mean they are different. So saying "that they might know thee the only true God AND Jesus Christ" is additive or clarifying to who is the one true God. It would be like saying, "The building is tall AND beautiful."

[@mochamarie9741]

Really? Then How did Jesus Christ pray to Himself before Calvary to the Father? The Cross: "Father, why did you for sake me?". Genesis 1: "We" (Elohim- multiple eternal beings in Heaven?) . We at least have two eternal beings: Father and Son.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

This is a fair interpretation. And I certainly have no problem if someone holds to it. That said, I agree that I would not take 'on the right hand' overly literal, but I don't think the idiom points to Modalism or Trinitarianism either. Also, 'the building is tall & beautiful' is not the proper analogy because Jesus says 'Only' true God...and also because those are two attributes not two persons. Thank You for sharing!

[@BbulL2027]

@@mochamarie9741 when Christ was on the cross, he was quoting psalms to tell everyone at that moment he was fulfilling those prophecies. So I don’t see it as he was crying for his father.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

Psalms 22: 1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

[@BbulL2027]

@@mochamarie9741 also Elohim being “plural” doesn’t always mean plural in Hebrew. In that language when they make a word plural they are saying it is the biggest or greatest. So when they call their God the greatest it is in the face of all the polytheistic cultures around them who do worship many Gods, instead of the one true God.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

Names of Jesus Christ Our Redemption (1 Cor. 1:30) Our Righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30) Our Sacrificed Passover Lamb (1 Cor. 5:7) Power of God (1 Cor. 1:24) Precious Cornerstone (1 Pet. 2:6) Prince of Peace (Isa. 9:6) Prophet (Acts 3:22) Resurrection and Life (John 11:25) Righteous Branch (Jer. 23:5) Righteous One (Acts 7:52; 1 John 2:1) Rock (1 Cor. 10:4) Root of David (Rev. 5:5; 22:16) Ruler of God’s Creation (Rev. 3:14) Ruler of the Kings of the Earth (Rev. 1:5) Savior (Eph. 5:23; Titus 1:4; 3:6; 2 Pet. 2:20) Son of David (Lk. 18:39) Son of God (John 1:49; Heb. 4:14) Son of Man (Mt. 8:20) Son of the Most High God (Lk. 1:32) Source of Eternal Salvation for all who obey him (Heb. 5:9) The One Mediator (1 Tim. 2:5) The Stone the builders rejected (Acts 4:11) True Bread (John 6:32) True Light (John 1:9) True Vine (John 15:1) Truth (John 1:14; 14:6) Way (John 14:6) Wisdom of God (1 Cor. 1:24) Wonderful Counselor, EVERLASTING FATHER(Isa. 9:6) Word (John 1:1) Word of God (Rev. 19:13)

[@jerryfinn7237]

Now discuss OT theophanies and “appearances of ‘Christ’ the son of God” Was Yeshua pre-existent with the Father before creation? Is Yeshua a created entity completely separate from God the Father? Is Yeshua in a sense then a part of the hierarchy of the Spiritual order, the unseen order ? Foe example; God, then His Son, then Arch Angels, then lower orders of angles etc.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great Questions!! This would be a fun study. I haven't wrapped my head around this as a bible study topic. But it's a great suggestion!

[@jerryfinn7237]

@@ShadeStoneMusic I’ll tell you what… let me outline it in a pseudo debate format, taking each one and then summarize and attempt to tie them together in a way that is understandable to the slow folks like myself.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@jerryfinn7237 Keep it slow for me too Brother! I look forward to it. 💌

[@heavensgateway]

@jerryfinn7237 Just my thoughts: Jesus preexisted his entry into the womb of Mary. And was in Heaven with God as a created being. But not before creation. Born and sent into this world within the flesh (blood) of David/Adam.

[@disclosure-100]

I agree with you, but you need to address the Angel of the Lord in the OT, which is Christ. IMHO

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You. I did mention the 'Angel of the Lord' in one of my 'Melchizedek' videos...But your suggestion to do a more focused video on the subject is a good one.

[@optimisticbear9617]

Modalists say Jesus is the Father. Any Trinitarian position still has distinction between God the Father and God the Son, I would emphasize the Father's unique personal property of being the Source or Cause of the divine nature and that rightly makes him Jesus' God. With regards to Christ, in order for him to truly be his Father's only begotten Son he must necessarily share his Father's nature. Like we are human because our fathers are human, Jesus is true God because his Father is true God.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Very good commentary. Thank You for sharing!

[@hudsontd7778]

Do u believe in Unitarianism or Arianism? Thanks

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I lean towards 'Arianism'...Arian took his position from Origen and/or Justin Martyr...it was originally called 'Subordinationism'; before the Arian vs Athanasius controversy. Thank You!

[@hudsontd7778]

Ok Yes, I am a Social Trinitarian and would say Arianism is much better then Unitarianism. Would like to get you thoughts on this one Question if you don't mind, if the Father is the only True Almighty God before creation, then who is the Father a Father too without the Son?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@hudsontd7778 ...Great question! I see the term: "The Father" - as the 'Creator' or the 'Birther' or 'Founder' of all things. So it's not simply a term for 'Family relation'...but a term that signifies His presence in and through all things. So to use a human example: One might say that Berry Gordy was the 'father' of motown music'. In that context he is the visionary of that music and founder of it; and through that positioning he created many successful motown bands and artists. Without the 'father/founder' then mowtown music & artists would not have existed. Hopefully, this explanation helps!

[@hudsontd7778]

@@ShadeStoneMusic sounds like Fatherhood is Contigent on Creation and Not a Neccessary Title of God Before Creation? Last Questions, when is the 1st time the phrase [ the Father ] is used in scripture with Definite Article "the" and how many times is the phrase used in Scripture? Thanks 😊🙏

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@hudsontd7778 ...Great question. I do not know. I've never looked into this before.

[@robinq5511]

I think that it is only by the Holy Spirit one can confess "Jesus is God" upon hearing the gospel - because to us who dwell upon the earth, He is and so that is a right response. He is everything God is to us - here. What all that means however, is a lifelong pursuit. But here, we continue to pray by the Spirit to the Father in Jesus' name when we approach the throne of His grace in heaven. In Isaiah's day, Israel knew of no other God, and He declares that to them; but there are plenty of 'hints' that Another was to come and they would bow the knee to Him (Jesus) just as He said they would bow the knee to Him (YHWH). I think that is why Isa 9:6 gives the Son to be born as Immanuel the same names they knew the Father by. God with us is who Jesus is because He is One with God for ever. It makes sense to me... I would not want to freeze frame that confession into a 'trinity' understanding however - hence the lifelong pursuit.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this!

[@sergeysky3765]

Can you touch on why Jesus would have the name "eternal father". I have a few ideas but i know He is not yhe "Father God" Isaiah 9:6 [6]For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I do have a video coming out on this fairly soon. That said, if you take a look at Young's Literal Translation it says: "Father of Eternity". I found a few others that confirm this rendering. So since Christ is the Eternal High Priest under the order of Melchizedek, it would appear to me that the 'Father of Eternity' is a fitting title. One even rendered it as 'Mighty Man of Eternity'. So in case you want to dig into it, that might assist in your studies in the meantime.

[@readlesspraymore4686]

The real question is ..... Who is Jesus' God in heaven currently who he is serving as high priest forever? This is also my God. Jesus and I serve the same single person as the "Only True God" because Jesus is my lord and master. His body also serves the same God. The body isn't disjointed from the head.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Why did you say this??: 'You serve a different god than Jesus. I think you should know that'. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this?

[@readlesspraymore4686]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Sorry, I didn't mean to paste that part. New to your channel.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@readlesspraymore4686 ...Oh...Ok...Well let me first say 'Welcome to The Channel'. I am glad that I asked...Because I kept thinking that you were making many of the same points as I was...so I was a bit confused. Thank You for clearing that up. Grace & Peace.

[@ArsenioMarcelino]

Brother literal can't fathom Spiritual Father and Son given to One person Acts 4:12

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

[@Riddance1978]

According to John, when Isaiah saw Yahweh on His throne it was Jesus (before He was Jesus of course.)

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank you for commenting. Could you please share the Scripture you are referring to. (That is a sincere request); I would also like to ask...no pressure though; Do you tend to take the position of 'Trinitarian' or 'Modalism'? Again, no pressure.

[@mochamarie9741]

Can you do a video on how Pretorist View (not the extreme hyper view) gives people peace and hope. The number one accusation from futurists is that Pretorist View destroys hope. How do we refute this? Even Satan's Little Season camp gets depressing because it means the White Throne Judgement is next with no chance if a revival or anything. How is that hopeful? Futurism is such a guessing game and already, daily, the date setters are at it again. Or, a certain leader after November is bringing in the Mark of the Beast. Pastor Chuck Baldwin even says it gets ridiculous. Yes, we have concerns that tyranny can rise up, but Jesus Christ said there will never be another Great Tribulation again. Matthew 24. I grew up in all of this. It is dizzying. Then, your faith is shifted in events and signs and looking to the coming of the Antichrist instead of Jesus Christ. It's absolutely Insanity. It causes complacency and an ineffective Ecclesia. It has the fruit of spiritual abuse, legalism, and confusion. I've been in some futurist Bible study groups. Even 5 people in the room will try to convince if it's Pre- Tribulation, Mid- Tribulation or Post Tribulation. I've seen heavy heated arguments in a futurist group. Certainly this cannot be of God. Plus, it takes away preparation for going into eternity after physical death. Churches don't do a really good job if preparing people for a physical death especially if there is a serious deadly illness and after funerals, the family and friends are left alone. I know. It happened to me a few times after I lost first my dad, then my mom. The Love and care and empathy was not there. I got "We will pray for you " or Your parent is in a better place" or " time to move on.". Grief support now is 6 weeks- a program. I forgot the name of it. I was shocked. It's fast food Christianity because we are all getting raptured any day. The Cross is remembered mainly on Good Friday and Communion once a month. I'm questioning that whole thing too. We take a cup and cracker after a few words and go home. Is that how the Last Supper in the Bible went down? What happened to a real meal together after church remembering all that Jesus Christ has done and all He is doing now. Futurism focuses on Jesus future. Jesus Christ said He is Yesterday, Today, and Forever. What happened to being present with Jesus Christ today? Did not the first century saints after the Ascension under horrible circumstances stay present with the present Jesus Christ in their time? Certainly I think some more things can happen in the future because of human flesh. But, I'm scared to death to tell my friends or pastor my view has changed on Bible Prophecy because I'll be rejected fully. Why is Eschatological View determine friends and fellowships? I've got stories on the insanity of futurism. Also, in some circles, love and kindness was minimal to none, almost an indifference. I'll probably going to the church we chose for our kids, but how do you crack this? I have to guard my heart not to get angry either. Christians are so blinded. Then, all churches charge money for funerals and weddings. It's turned into a full blown business. Weddings is more understandable but funerals? Seriously? Regarding dying and death, I see very little love or support in that process. The Rapture Ideology causes insensitivity to those who lose loved ones. By the way, 1 Corinthians 15 is read nearly every time. I thought about that. I'm like ya, the loved one has put on their new incorruptible body now. It just makes sense. But, pastors never explain where your loved one is in Jesus Christ except "in Heaven". No further explanation at all. This has got to change. Hopefully you can address this too. It has gotten to be a huge problem. Jesus Christ said for Christians to take care of widows and orphans. I can tell you by first hand experience, it's not happening. Pastors do not even have proper training to lead this really. Everything is Programs and business. It's absolutely opposite of what Jesus Christ set up. Thank you for listening.

[@YeshuaReigns2-t2d]

Actually it's the full preterist teaching that is depressing. Cuz in their view there will never be a revival. In their view the earth remains a hotbed of evil and misery. The little season camp is the only flavor of preterism that is totally biblical. And it shows hope for the future of earth. The white throne judgement that's coming is a good thing. Cuz then God turns His full attention on judging and correcting all of the unbelieving nations. Peace.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

@ShadeStoneMusic Isaiah 7: 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel......... Immanuel is a name originating in the biblical Hebrew name עִמָּנוּאֵל‎, meaning "God with us"

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great Scripture. That said, if you use this to mean that The Most High God was conceived by Mary, then God does have a Mother. But if you take it to mean that Through Jesus, God was with them, then you don't have that problem.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

@@ShadeStoneMusic if you think about it to much you start assuming things vs taking the scripture for what it clearly says.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@NoName-ye2fc ...Is it possible that you are doing that? You've never responded to Revelation 3:12. That is pretty plain. Jesus says 'my God' 4 times.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

@@ShadeStoneMusic dude when Jesus is referring to his God he's referring to the Father, Jesus is the Fathers Word made flesh in the form of a servant so why is it so confusing to you that Jesus is calling his Father God. Jesus is referred to as God as well.

[@heavensgateway]

@NoName-ye2fc yes, God was with Jesus on earth. His Holy Spirit was within Jesus. Jesus says on the cross "Father? why do you forsake me?" I believe he is saying, "why did you leave me alone to die?" God did not die that day, his Son, Jesus Christ did.

[@Bradleymarlin-e7w]

1 John 5:7 the Father[pater, father, parent], the Word[logos, a word, the word, the Holy [ hagion, most holt, saint], Spirit[Pneuma, spirit, ghost], one[hen, man, one another, only, other, same].

[@Zerbijan]

Big Problem here And what i hear on other channels that are promoting this theory Jesus has NOT prophesied the destruction of Israel Hes talking about Judah The Juice are just one /12 of Israel Again hes talking about Judah Israel are all believers into Jesus his father and the bible We all are israel

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I've never heard this angle before. Thanks for sharing.

[@Bradleymarlin-e7w]

John 10:30.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

One in agreement.

[@Bradleymarlin-e7w]

@@ShadeStoneMusic I saw that word in one of my bible translations. I have a couple thoughts, Why wouldn't they be in agreement the Holy Spirit was too. The word trinity is not found in the Bible but many believe in it. What about omnisciense, its not found in the Bible either yet we believe God knows everything.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@Bradleymarlin-e7w ...We actually do have Scriptures that say God is all knowing. Hebrews 4:13 - And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. Or Psalm 139:7-8 - Where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there. Those and many more Scriptures point to the 'all knowing' nature of God. Keep in mind, if one believes the Trinity, it isn't something that I have anything against, "until"...the Trinitarian insists others have to agree to it and it's definition within the Athanasian Creed. That's when the interpretation goes off side; in my opinion.

[@Bradleymarlin-e7w]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Yes just not the word omniscience or omnipresent either. Enjoy your sharing and I agree with you about the creeds.

[@Bradleymarlin-e7w]

@@ShadeStoneMusic If you get a chance watch a video Gleanings in Revalation 1-11.

[@megansousa2659]

“You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. 11 I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:10-11 Again, the word for LORD here is Yahweh. The proper name of God. This scripture states that Yahweh is the ONLY savior. We know that Jesus is the savior, and there is no other name by which we can be saved. This scripture also states that Yahweh is the only God. There is no God before Him and none after Him. In man's eyes, there may be many gods, but how could Jesus be a god, if he is not a god" after" Yahweh? And since the scriptures states that their are no gods after Yahweh, then Jesus can only be God if He is indeed, Yahweh.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

A couple things to consider...As a 'Full Preterist'...1 Corinthians 15:24 changes the picture. Why? Because it says: "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father". The 'He' is Jesus. Did Jesus deliver the Kingdom to God The Father? The Full Preterist has to say yes to that question. So we will have to work that into our understanding of Isaiah 43. (and how it applies to us today...yikes!) That said... Notice in verse 10 it says 'my servant whom I have chosen'. Who is the 'servant' in this picture? Hebrews 10:21 says: And having an high priest over the house of God; So who is that 'high priest'? So ultimately is there really any other True God than the Father? I don't think so. And that seems to be what Jesus says both before and after resurrection. So 1st Corinthians 8:4-6 says: ...there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. So when I read Isaiah...I see the same communication as 1 Corinthians 8. I think that ultimately the role of Christ was to deliver the Kingdom back to God The Father. I'm thinking that is what Isaiah is picturing out. I know these are challenging... All the more reason to be open for discussion and not so dogmatic about any position. And that includes me indeed. Love that you are searching Sister!

[@megansousa2659]

@ShadeStoneMusic I'm pretty sure that the servant in verse 10 is Isreal. Because verse 1 says this But now thus says the Lord, he who created you, O Jacob, he who formed you, O Israel: “Fear not, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name, you are mine. The whole chapter addresses Isreal. 10 “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, He first calls them His witnesses, then His servant. “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, And then He makes it very clear, IMHO, that there are no other gods. We know that people have called many things gods and worshipped many things that are not gods. I think what makes this so hard for people is that God is spirit and he lives outside of this physical relm. We want to define Him and Jesus in human terms that make sense in the physical world. But it can't be done. The creeds try to do it and so do those not lined with the creeds. Saying that Jesus is a god outside, other ,or less than the Father God still makes Him another God, but God Yahweh, says that there were no gods before Him and there will be none after Him. It can't be defined they way we want it to be. Blessing Brother 😊

[@Zerbijan]

Ppl dont understand that the Bible speaks about 2 Gods One is the father and he lets say molded from his own essenc/flesh/spirit Jesus Jesus created the angels/ Men/ earth etc.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

There was lots of discussion about this in the 150AD to 300AD zone...even sooner according to the 'two powers in heaven' material.

[@megansousa2659]

We know that the role that Jesus played while on earth was the Son. But there is more to Jesus than just the Son. I believe He is also Yahweh. I only need one scripture to show my perspective. Can we all agree that Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords? That Jesus is the King over all the earth? I think that we can. There is agreement by most scholars that Zachariah 14 is a Messienic prophecy. Zachariah 14: 9 says this And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one. The Hebrew word translated LORD twice in that verse is Yahweh. Strongs # 3068 ◄ 3068. Yhvh ► Strong's Concordance Yhvh: the proper name of the God of Israel Original Word: יְהוָֹה Part of Speech: Proper Name Transliteration: Yhvh Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-vaw') Definition: the proper name of the God of Israel. So if in that day, the day of the Lord, Yahweh is to be King over all the earth. That either means Jesus is not King over all the earth, or it means Jesus is Yahweh. IMHO Blessing in Christ Jesus.

[@avoiceinthewilderness5766]

YHWH Yeshua Hantsri Wamelek Hayahudim Jesus The Nazarene And king The Judahites

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thanks for sharing Sister. So then you are thinking more 'Modalism' then...am I correct?

[@DontLikeCubes]

You are calling upon false names. The name "jehovah" was created by occultists in the 1500s. Acts 4:12 song of the bride has an excellent video on this topic this video is on the letter j . If you are a true believer you will seek this truth and stop calling on false names. I pray you do and I pray you also become one that combats this lie as I can't do this myself.

[@megansousa2659]

Who has performed and done this, calling the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he. Isaiah 41:4 The Hebrew translated LORD, again in this scripture is Yahweh, the proper name of God. So is Jesus also the fist and the last? Making two first and two last, or is Jesus Yahweh?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I don't personally think that Jesus is Yahweh. I think this could have been plainly stated by the Apostles in the first century. How hard would it have been for them to simply say: Jesus is Yahweh. But they never do.

[@megansousa2659]

@ShadeStoneMusic I think that the Apostle John does in a pretty clear way. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. John : 1-5 He was God, He was with God, He did all of the things that God does. But we know that Yahweh said that there are no gods but Him. Not understanding it doesn't mean that it isn't so.

[@megansousa2659]

@@ShadeStoneMusic The name Yahweh is not in the New Testament because it is a Hebrew word, and the New Testament is written in Greek. The New Testament also does not give God a personal name. Here are some other reasons why the name Yahweh is not commonly used: Reverence People stopped pronouncing Yahweh's name aloud around the 3rd or 2nd century B.C.E. as a form of reverence. Substitution When reading from the scriptures, Jews began to substitute the name Yahweh with the word adonai, which means "my Lord".

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@megansousa2659 ...Interesting. But Adonai is used in the Old Testament in the same sentence with Yahweh. Psalm 110:1 - Yahweh said to my adonai, sit at my right hand...This appears to be David saying that Yahweh told David's Lord (adonai) to sit at Yahweh's right hand.

[@heavensgateway]

@@ShadeStoneMusic exactly, "THE Lord, said to MY Lord" two Lords there. Who was David's Lord? He was king, he didn't have a king. He was referring to Jesus Christ, his Lord on earth. I believe he was given visions about what would take place with Jesus.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

Is Jesus Christ God? Yes or no? Just a "yes" or "no" please?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I think He is the Son of God.

[@NoName-ye2fc]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Is Jesus Christ God? Yes or no?

[@NoName-ye2fc]

You are the one with a KZbin channel "teaching" . Your thumbnail says "Is Jesus God?" . Please answer with a yes or no. Is Jesus God? Mr Shade Stone? YES or NO?

[@NoName-ye2fc]

Matthew 5: 37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@NoName-ye2fc That text is about making oaths. Nice try. I will answer with Scripture: Matthew 16:15-16 - Jesus asked: “Who do you say I am?” Peter replied: "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” The answer is pretty clear there. Unless of course I'm 'evil' for quoting Scriptures now. LOL

[@estebanblanco2001]

[8] But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. [9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. [10] And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: [11] They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; [12] And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. Hebrews 1 : 8-12 -He is called God straight Up in verse 8, that alone should end this debate. -In verse 10 It says that It was Jesus who made Heaven and Earth, and when you go back to Psalms 102, where the quote is from, the psalmist is saying that about God. So a verse about God in the Old Testament, the New Testament interprets It and says that it's about Jesus.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

'that alone should end this debate'. I wish that was true. Revelation 3:12, Jesus says He has a God 4 times. This debate started 2000 years ago, and will continue for a long time.

[@estebanblanco2001]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Both are true? He himself is God, that is undeniable, the text itself says It, and when he is talking about his God, we know he is refering to The Father. This can all be explained by one concept: The Trinity.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@estebanblanco2001 ...I would disagree with the last line. Primarily because you used two to suddenly prove three. Beyond that, I don't know any Scriptures that have The Father saying 'my God'. I do see the Son saying 'my God' many times. And of course, I am assuming you are going by the definition of the 'trinity' that is in the Athanasian Creed.

[@estebanblanco2001]

@@ShadeStoneMusic I don't do creeds, I just read the Bible and listen to preaching. I go by the definition that the Bible gives: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5 : 7 Yeah, you see Jesus calling The Father his God, but how exactly does that disprove the Trinity? When the Bible clearly says "but unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God,...", case closed. This is not an "interpretation issue" or something of the sort, because the Bible says It clearly that he id God. If you don't believe Jesus is God you're denying the Bible.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@estebanblanco2001 1st John 5:7 has added text...it simply says: For there are three that testify...then verse 8 says: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree...It is simply talking about Jesus in that section. Not a trinity. Check the ESV, NIV, NASB etc... Besides that, there is no definition between them in any way, even in the OKJV. No one here disagrees with the existence of The Father, Son, & Holy Spirit. We are simply suggesting that defining them (as in the Athanasian Creed since that is the only place the word 'trinity' is mentioned; it's never in Scripture)...we are saying that definition could be off and therefore we should not be dogmatic about it.

[@AnthonyRMaradin]

The Son is not the Most High, true. However, to rely on one source (the Christian Bible) is of what value rhetorically asked!? For those who only have (any kind) of scripture to rely on. Based on the original texts of Jdm, the Most High divided this part of creation among (quote) the "12 Sons of God". This later was changed to the 12 tribes of Isrl, and this is a tangent of its own. One of the 12 Sons appears to be YHWH, who had a wife and offspring. This is not to forget the other species of creation, such as the various angelics, etc. Christianity could have been its own religion / belief system. The creators of it decided to attach to Judm many hundreds of years later, rewriting their version of the "Old Testament (the Tlmd / Trh). To give themselves authority. For example. The original Hbw text reads to be born of a young woman (aylmah). Christianity translated this to read virgin (batulah). However, when Christianity was translated back into Hbw, it read virgin. What Christians need to reconcile is the translations back and forth should have the same word when describing the said woman. Ism came along and took from both, with more focus on Jdm some seven hundred years after Christianity. Then there is the Aramaic Targum which contains much more details. Such as the two separate creation events in Genesis one and two.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I've heard some folks talking about this angle. I haven't put any study into it, so I can't say anything very 'educated' about it. Thank You for sharing this interesting position.

[@AnthonyRMaradin]

@@ShadeStoneMusic - For clarity, my relationship with the Most High is not based on the writings or interpretations of others... in other words, I do not adhere to any religion or belief systems. Peace be with you.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@AnthonyRMaradin ...I cannot say that I blame you!! In fact, I'm seeing a lot of wisdom in dodging the 'systems'. Grace & Peace to You as well Brother!

[@AnthonyRMaradin]

@ShadeStoneMusic - For me, it's not dodging the system. I was born "not alive” for forty-five minutes after surviving abrtn - meaning I had no influence by any belief systems / religions or pseudosciences. I was “not alive” twice by drowning, around 5 and 12 years old. The second time parallels at least one woowoo event in my life. These are my death experiences, which differs to my near death and avoiding death experiences. I've had a lifetime of woowoo events as well, which differs from spiritual events.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@AnthonyRMaradin ...Wow! You certainly have a unique testimony and amazing experiences.

[@flamingswordapologetics]

May I suggest that we agree Jesus is not the Father, that He is Divinity, and that He pre-existed. I think where we differ is that taking Old T text referring to Yahweh and then having them quoted again in the New T for Jesus, makes Jesus Yahweh as well. Not the Father, because Yahweh would be the name of the totality that is God. Jesus is worshiped, called God by Thomas, prayed to, and also says He is the Alpha and Omega, which is what Yahweh was in Isaiah. Can't we just say we don't know how that works? Glad you see the Unitarian position falls short, but I am suggesting you're still missing something as it concerns the equality of the Father and Son in Divinity, but not in position, and the Holy Spirit is another discussion, but the scriptures use the proper name, its masculine he, not it, but I do see your points on how its usually just the Father and Son being discussed, but Jesus said to baptize in the name of, and uses all 3 so there's that 😀

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for commenting Brother. I'll be addressing the Matthew verse that you mentioned fairly soon. But I do love your intro 'suggestion'! 😃

[@flamingswordapologetics]

@@ShadeStoneMusic May I suggest you also look at the 1st part of Revelation where it says the one who was and is and is to come (so its Jesus who was coming) is the Lord God. Rev 1:8. This is were we also see He is the Alpha and Omega, as well. Why do what you think the Trinitarians do on other scriptures, why not just let the scripture say what it says and accept it? I would strongly suggest you contemplate that just maybe, its not Unitarian, maybe not completely Trinitarian in the traditional sense, but that Jesus is Yahweh, but the Son, still one God, we don't have to know how that works, but just like you are reading the plain text of other scriptures showing the Father is not the Son, and that Jesus did come as a man, maybe do the same with other text that do show Jesus is God. I strongly suggest you do so.😁

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@flamingswordapologetics ...I will definitely look at those Brother! Good 'suggestions'!!

[@Rogue-nc3pl]

Difinately not. We can not even ascertain that he ever walked this earth. I am not saying he did not but we can not say he did.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

If that is true about Jesus...then we cannot ascertain anyone's existence in history.

[@Rogue-nc3pl]

@@ShadeStoneMusic well, other person in history if they exist or not would not affect my worldview or how i view reality.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@Rogue-nc3pl ...My grandfather is an historical person. He had a tough life. He was in WW1, then went through the depression and had to leave his home country because of the poverty. He died when I was three. Yet, the stories that my Dad has told me and continues to tell me, affects my world view to this day. I share those stories with my children who never met him. I think it affects their world view as well. In a good way.

[@Rogue-nc3pl]

@@ShadeStoneMusic does your grandfather send you to hell? Did he walked on lukewarm water? Did he died and resurected after a few days? Whenbyour grandfather died did the dead in his town or the place he died walked all over the place?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@Rogue-nc3pl ...I think you have lost track of what you first said. You originally said: "We can not even ascertain that he ever walked this earth". My response was: "If that is true, then we cannot ascertain anyone's existence in history". I'm not speaking to the miracles and things of that nature. You weren't speaking to that topic. You have every liberty to say we can't ascertain that He walked on water. That is a different topic. But we can ascertain that Jesus existed and walked the earth, just as much as any other well known person in history. If you deny that Jesus existed...you might as well deny anyone prior to your birth ever existed. That was the original point. And it still is.

[@campCarpenter2023]

Satan would try and tempt God in the wilderness? The demons would not recognize God...instead refer to him as the Son of God? Revelation 21: 3....CJB...I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “See! God’s Sh’khinah is with mankind, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and he himself, God-with-them, will be their God.[a] He Himself, Immanuel...almost like God knew what the Luciferian Jesuit Priests would try and pull by pitting the Son against the Father and making the Messiah an idol. We are in the new covenant and Revelation 21 is all about worshipping God....riddle me this....does most gospel music glorify the Father or the Son? Yahushua was on the earth for a short time and returned the Kingdom back to Yah as outlined in 1 Corinthians 15 when death was defeated. The Father saved us thru the Son....I am not saying the Son does not deserve praise, I am just saying that we have purposely been led to diminish the Father by not separating Him from the Son and the Spirit

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this commentary. I certainly hope that many will consider what you have posted. Thanks again! 💌

[@heavensgateway]

@campCarpenter2023 exactly, the devil has always wanted to divide us

[@NoName-ye2fc]

John5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

So when you say God is your Father are you making yourself equal with God?

[@NoName-ye2fc]

@@ShadeStoneMusic doesn't matter, you clearly see when Jesus said God was his father they interpreted it as Jesus making himself equal with God.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@NoName-ye2fc ...Just because the Jews thought that...doesn't mean Jesus was claiming it. And that same Jesus said His Father was greater than Him. So should we go with an opinion of the first century jews? Or go with what Jesus said Himself? PS - I think it does matter. You are dodging the obvious answer to my question. If Jesus is 'equal to God' by saying God is His Father, then when we say 'Our Father' (including the prayer Jesus taught us) then we are making ourselves equal with God as well.

[@vedinthorn]

Only YHWH is the rider of the clouds, Jesus rides the clouds, Jesus is the old testament mlk of YHWH. Only YHWH controls the weather, Jesus controls the weather, only YHWH is Creator, Jesus created all things... It's obviously yes.

[@vedinthorn]

Mark 1 proves Jesus is YHWH all by itself.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Yet Jesus says He has a God four times in Revelation 3:12. I don't think it's as clear as that. But thank you for sharing your point of view.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

The first sentence says He is the Son of God.

[@vedinthorn]

@@ShadeStoneMusic The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, “Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way, the voice of one crying in the wilderness: Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight,’” John appeared, baptizing in the wilderness and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Is John the Baptist the one identified as the "voice crying in the wilderness"?

[@vedinthorn]

@@ShadeStoneMusic because if he is, and if he was making the way for Jesus, then this is interesting. "A voice cries: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God." The word LORD here is the divine name: YHWH. Jesus and the Father are both YHWH, just as the angel of YHWH is also YHWH many times. At minimum, binitarianism was in view in the old testament, and there were writings of the Jews dealing with that. It got abandoned... After Jesus. Seemingly particularly because Christians kept using the view to prove that Jesus was that second YHWH.

[@user-py8pc1kg9l]

Your points are irrefutable. But yet for some reason a lot of Christians just prefer their comfortable traditions. I can’t understand their way of thinking.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for this kind and encouraging message. I greatly appreciate it! 💌

[@DannyFesperman]

Yes, Jesus is God. Why? Because the Bible says he is. John 1:1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Full stop. End of story. Debate closed. Jesus is God.

[@YeshuaReigns2-t2d]

That verse plainly states that he is "the only begotten of the Father". To repeat, "the only begotten OF the Father". Period. Full stop. End of story. No debate. He's begotten of God, not God Himself. Peace.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for commenting. I do have a video coming out on this verse very soon. I will be making the case that this particular passage is not as 'obvious' as many seem to want to insist. You wrote 'Jesus is God'. The writer of John 1 could have written that as plainly as you did. But He didn't...I think it is at least fair to consider other potential interpretations; one that points to Jesus being the Son of God.

[@DannyFesperman]

@@YeshuaReigns2-t2d He is the Word. The Word is God.

[@DannyFesperman]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Jesus is the Word. The Word is God. Period.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@DannyFesperman ...Thank You for commenting.

[@Se7enStars369]

Replace Jesus in the Bible with The SUN and you'll see another story - the true story.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I've heard some folks talk about this. Not sure what to make of it.

[@rogerhales9966]

​@ShadeStoneMusic the resurrected Son Jesus ,Son of the Most High God LORD JEHOVAH,, Revelation from the resurrected Son from the FATHER SAID MY GOD ,,THE RESURRECTED SON SAID MY GOD,,THE SON STILL HAS A GOD,, REV22,THE RESURRECTED JESUS SAID ,,GOD WILL BLOT YOUR NAME OUT,,NOT ME THE RESIRRECTED SON,,BUT GOD WILL DO IT

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@rogerhales9966 ...Thank You for sharing.

[@rogerhales9966]

​​@@ShadeStoneMusic THAT MEN MAY KNOW !!! ,,,, I ALONE,,, AM LORD JEHOVAH,,,GOD OVER ALLLLLLLLLL THE EARTH,,AND I SENT MY SON JESUS JOHN 3:16 We must continue in Father and Son 1 John 2:24,,GODS CHRIST,,THE LORDS CHRIST REVELATION

[@rogerhales9966]

​@ShadeStoneMusic these people today don't want to CONTINUE in Father and Son,,LORD JEHOVAH AND JESUS ,GOD AND HIS CHRIST ,,LORD AND HIS CHRIST 1 John 2:24

[@megansousa2659]

5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,[b] 7 but EMPTIED himself, by taking the form of a servant,[c] being born in the likeness of men. Philadelphia 2:5-7 The word is emtied, not humble. ◄ 2758. kenoó ► Strong's Concordance kenoó: to empty Original Word: κενόω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: kenoó Phonetic Spelling: (ken-o'-o) Definition: to empty Usage: (a) I empty, (b) I deprive of content, make unreal.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Yes...properly, to empty out, render void; (passive) be emptied - hence, without recognition, perceived as valueless. I've heard different takes on this passage from different positions. They all make decent arguments. All of that said, with the context of verse 5, I still think 'humbling' is the point. The writer doesn't seem to have an intention to say that Jesus is The Father or Triune. He doesn't seem to be heading in that direction with the text. By the time you get to verse 11 it says: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. So again, we are seeing that The Father is glorified (not Jesus Himself) when Jesus is confessed as Lord. And of course, we still have to work in 1st Corinthians 15:24 where the Kingdom is delivered to The Father. By the way... I see you are really digging into this Sister... Good for You!! 💌