is Kakao privilege a thing?

Whenever an artist from a Kakao subsidiary achieves something, kpop stans always attribute it to Kakao privilege, but does this privilege really exist or is it just an excuse to invalidate the artist's success?
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Intro song: IVE - Eleven (instrumental)
Outro song: IVE - My satisfaction (instrumental)
Timestamps:
0:00 intro
0:46 about kakao
2:04 kakao privilege
3:45 why kakao privilege doesn't exist
7:14 invalidating kakao artists
9:34 outro

[@justdb4]

I love that people are just throwing words around like privilege only because of one group, not The Boyz, STAYC, IU, Weeekly, or even MONSTA X, but it is because of IVE. IVE got all these K-pop stans making excuses and downplaying their achievements. Like, please group and just listen to the music and support you favs. Stop being bullies and obsessed trolls.

[@yeon_berry22]

exactly people just don't like that ive is successful

[@2FullMoons]

Forreal. Up until IVE the biggest artist under Kakao was IU ( nobody will question HER achievements btw ), Starship is now seen as this HUGE company by kpop fans when literally all their groups struggled with mediocre or bellow success since FOREVER, MX barely cracked 200k sales first week in 2021 and they’ve been active for 7 years by then, Cravity’s start up was slow as well. I stan all these groups and I KNOW how bull the kakao or starship privilege is firsthand. It all came to be, as you said, to discredit IVE’s hard work and achievements.

[@ives_galaxy]

monsta x was also dragged for this apparently its just the popular starship artists that are dragged for this stupid privilege that doesnt exist

[@Anjan_-]

Iu was a household name even before she changed companies......

[@vixxexo6855]

@@ives_galaxy Monsta X along with Sistar are the ones who made Starship what it is today. Also not every Starship group is guaranteed a hit like Boyfriend flopped and WJSN and Cravity are not super famous. WJSN still are famous in Korea, but Cravity is just midtier famous. While every big 4 group becomes a hit.

[@yohanedescends4683]

it's hybe stans who started this narrative because they didn't believe a non-big4 group could be extremely successful like ive and decided it must be because of rigging. kakao invests in a lot of companies but they don't promote them as part of a kakao brand nor do they dominate the industry like the big4 so they don't have the same impact. people who use stayc as kakao privilege is ironic because highup was independent until June 2021, months after they blew up with asap and gained a big fanbase. and then their first cb with kakao, stereotype underperformed on the charts. and then BM did even worse. same with other groups, none of them come close to big4 groups' success EXCEPT for ive hence why the narrative blew up

[@harutryoshka9372]

The first time I heard about "kakao privilege" was because someone said The Boyz never had struggles as a group from a small company. The Boyz as a group in their debut years had a bit of popularity because one of the members (JuHaknyeon) went to Produce 101 Season 2 and that was it, people started liking them for their music. Kakao has not helped the group in making them big nor people paid attention to them because they were under that company. Thanks for making this video and explain to those people that Kakao privilege doesn´t exist.

[@gillian6967]

I just knew The Boyz from the music of Solo Leveling teaser

[@sugasahoge1720]

Not to mention the boyz were on the verge of disbanding at one point. The only reason why they are still around today is because the members collectively agreed to give it their all in road to kingdom, which was an opportunity given to them as a last resort to save the group. If kakao privilege really did exist, they wouldn't have to go through such a crisis in the first place.

[@__aida__1]

@@sugasahoge1720 right!? before they were in IST, they were the only group in crek.er, they were the only group holding that company , they struggled so much!! :c

[@northrnstar]

i remember eric said more recently that one of the albums was going to be their last (it was dreamlike if i remember correctly).

[@__aida__1]

@@northrnstar i think it was "reveal" but yea, it was going to be their last ;c

[@yanzi4459]

Thank you for this, really... IVE suffered so much because of these fake narrations conducted by that fandom... Their hard work was downgraded and mocked many times... The girls were aware of it, watch them on tving and you'll definitely see how much they're aware of everything... Now that some groups under kakao are getting bigger and bigger, they're getting more aggressive with this kakao privilege... Sometimes, I just hope that they'll stop being an id**t cuz they're slowly ruining a lot of kpop groups nowadays... As far as I know, stayc and the boyz were already on their "kakao privilege narration"...

[@AK-te7rh]

The most embarrassing thing is that some think that ive is the only group under kakao and that started because a certain company stan on twt and several articles mentioned Starship when the fb page thing and the malicious rumors towards other ggs happened. When there are several subsidiaries under kakao but we know that ive is the punching bag of kpop stan so they only mentioned Starship and the most affected was IVE because the other groups under SSE don't even get as many mentions about "kakao privilege" but recently others groups under Kakao subsidiaries have been successful so kpopers are using it against them. There is no one more jealous than kpopers big4 stans, they always look for any way to discredit groups under mid and small size agencies.

[@soft4taeng]

At this point people think Kakao = ive and unfortunately i don’t think this mindset is gonna change anytime soon…

[@aa-pj4vz]

if kakao privilige is a thing, can kakao give my mamas wjsn a a full album already.

[@jenv1fer]

right

[@Bbb.anana6]

I didnt even know about stayc being under kakao even though they r my ult. Only started hearing this word after Ive started getting bigger if that doesn't tell u sumn idk what will. Leave the girls alone internet people..

[@2FullMoons]

I didn’t know Starship was under kakao until last year also and I’ve been a MX stan since 2019 and Cravity stan since debut 😫😫😫

[@JO-qn8gy]

Two of my favourite groups right now is IVE and StayC. The third is TripleS.

[@okaysumin]

​@@JO-qn8gymine is stayc and honestly I'm starting to like I've too

[@kaydunton9303]

I really love The Boyz, StayC, Weeekly and IVE. IVE deserves their achievements to me because I like their music a lot. Some people just haven't seen the IVE light..

[@hannahgracequeen9124]

The first time I heard of about Kakao privilege is when the Boyz starting becoming popular and people are saying they aren’t self-made and they didn’t have any struggles. Bull crap, I don’t k if people realize how hard the Boyz worked to get their name in the general public. Because also undermine them and only see them as visuals. As the Boyz said they have thought about giving up soo many time because they aren’t getting any popular. They have said in 2019 the company had a convo with them that if reveal comeback isn’t successful then that’s it for them, no more music. Finally a opportunity was given to them, Road to Kingdom, in which saved them from disbandment and people finally starting recognizing their talent and they have gotten better and better over the years. They were the only group under cre.ker ent had no junior or senior to support them. Now finally they are getting the popularity they deserve, but people decide to downgrade them by pulling out the kakao privilege card is ridiculous, like if they had kakao privilege then they would of been soo popular long time ago like txt, skz. is it soo hard to see a group from a small label to be this successful and being the 4th gen group with the most music show win? Like I’ll be saying that txt, stray kids, Enhypen worked hard to be where they are at, but coming from a popular company also plays a role in a group success and stans got mad, but like what’s the difference. Urghhh this makes me soo mad. Like every group work hard to be where they are, but some groups have a little more struggle and have to work a little bit harder to get their name out in the general public without being overshadow by groups from the big4. Like I feel like when people are first being introduced to kpop they only focus on the groups from the big4 and don’t bother check groups outside of the big4 which annoys the crap out me, they are just as talented as groups from big4. Sorry for this freakin long rant, some people don’t have brains

[@rep9883]

😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@etherealrune757]

IVE is already confirmed to make their comeback this April 😭😭

[@thriftskull5549]

IM SO EXCITED 🗣️🙏🏽

[@mammonsimp6973]

April? I thought it was this month 😭😭

[@etherealrune757]

@@mammonsimp6973 well they are releasing a pre-release single this March 27th but they are going to make their official comeback this April 10th

[@nadithyaweerasinghe6741]

If kakao privilege was real wouldn’t people know half of the groups and subsidiaries under them

[@auspiciousdistant7118]

If Kakao privilege is real Monsta X would have been the Thanos of Boy groups, especially with their amazing discography

[@pigeondance]

exactly! and wjsn would be crazy popular too

[@OfficialAwkbe]

As a Deobi, I really get frustrated when I hear people say Kakao Privilege for them like??????????? I watched them start off as 12 men sharing a tiny apartment with barely any space, practicing insane hours and nearly disbanding. Now they have three dorms with their own rooms and have the most wins for a 4th Gen bg. I'm so so proud of them because I watched them work hard for the past 5 years. These other fandoms have no idea, but WE know that it wasn't Kakao or the influence of some big company that got them to where they are. It was their own hard work, throwing in HOURS of practice to perfect their teamwork and throwing out ideas to make themselves stand out. It worked and you can see their hard work throughout their behind the scenes videos of their Road To Kingdom practice videos. Kakao didn't help them. The Boyz were in Cre.Ker - which was a small group with originally only Changmin under them. Haknyeon helped get them their original small fandom during Produce 101 S2 because people were enraged that they evil edited that boy and he was actually the sweetest, most hardworking kid. Then TBZ proved so many times that they were talented, could produce, write lyrics, play instruments, and sing live. Not to mention all of them are fantastic at dancing even beyond their main dancers and it makes a very pleasing performance to watch. I know I'm typing a lot but it just is so annoying when people don't bother to get to know a group and throw out things like that when we know how much they suffered and struggled. Anyways, stan The Boyz and these other lovely groups for good skin and have a blessed day.

[@nadithyaweerasinghe6741]

I would love to have bside recs of them lol

[@staycsprinkles3777]

People want to have it both ways. STAYC has been selling as much as the other popular groups since last year but people still said they fell off. Poppy and Teddy Bear showed they have high selling power bc tell me, did anyone think they would sell 400k on Hanteo? Those were numbers other rookies pulled last year. They got popular before Kakao and I didnt even know they were under Kakao until people tried to undermine their success bc they were such an "anomaly". Saying its rigged when they literally were struggling to get into the top 60 on melon for weeks this comeback, but they rose to #1 bc the public and casual listeners decided to trust them. People need to pick a struggle. Obviously, its an advantage to have financial backing, but what group doesn't have that? Money doesn't grow on trees, and Kakao does nothing for them otherwise, the PDs still have to put themselves out there, get them on shows. STAYC hasnt been on major shows yet even since debut like Amazing Saturday or Knowing Bros which would help their exposure and Kakao is a huge company so shouldn't they benefit from that? There are so many artists on 1theK and Kakao that people filter out. Mind you STAYC was constantly promoting last year and people said they didnt even know they came back....

[@via45]

People who actually support a group just because of a label is creepy to me.

[@rahafl9606]

Yes like any group under hype or yg 😂😂

[@heartbear01]

agree...company/label stans are so weird

[@Mandombb]

The diccriding is crazy

[@dollydoie]

I know right!!! especially hype and yg. like i like one group because of their music and members not because they belong to a company that i like.

[@chaewonunnie]

honestly everyone is just so bent on labelling success of any kind on some form of "nepotism" or privilege and its gotten to a point no one takes it seriously anymore 💀

[@dollydoie]

It's mostly Hybe stans that do this. Like their company's groups get the biggest boost but when it comes to other groups getting the same privilege they just can't accept it. and kakao privilege isn't even a real thing. wjsn, monstax and many others should also have been popular if it was a thing 🙄

[@soft4taeng]

The funniest thing is that it was literally Big 4 stans that started talking about Kakao privilege... i can't believe THEY are the ones talking about company privilege when their faves are under the biggest companies in kpop

[@dollydoie]

@@soft4taeng the absolute hypocrisy 🙄

[@2FullMoons]

I’ve been a MX stan for 4 years now, literally one of the first groups I discovered when getting into kpop, I know first hand how bull the kakao or Starship privilege is. I was there when Starship was doing the freaking most pushing those boys in America when kpop exploaded and literally not much came of it. They were releasing 2 korean comebacks a year, 1 full english album and 1 japanese album a year and they BARELY got to finally now, in 2023 sell 350k first week. Tell me, when all these other groups that come from big4 companies literally sell 1.5-2 and over mil copies a week, in what WORLD, does that make sense if Starship artists benefit from the same privilege just cause they are under kakao? I was there when road to kingdom happened and the boyz FINALLY started getting some traction, tell me if the privilege is real then WHY are their first week sales drop consistentky ever since that initial boom with the show? Why can’t they move over the 500k mark? Why was Cravity’s debut so underwhelming and why 3 years into their career they are YET to do 200k first week? This kakao priviledge is literally BULLSH*T and became the scapegoat in discrediting IVE’s success, up until the end of last year, some people barely knew of kakao talk and now all of a sudden the kakao name weighs so greatly in the kpop community, enough to compete with the big4. What you said in the video is right, NOBODY checks out ‘the new kakao group’ that sh*t never existed, HYBE is a close knit family where the groups benefit from each other’s success that is why from the get go they are succesful, because the fandoms overlap, Kakao’s subsidiaries are not treated the same, the groups don’t benefit from one another literally AT ALL. Maybe within the same subsidiary but as we established, most of these groups have mediocre levels of success AT BEST so what huge difference does that make? Please, whoever believes that, you’re a joke, sorry.

[@nadithyaweerasinghe6741]

Right people are acting like the subsidiaries itself under kakao promote and act as tight knit as hybe market themselves and do. so in what world would a kakao family exist

[@2FullMoons]

@@nadithyaweerasinghe6741 exactly! Also, just on Friday Suga released his collab with IU who is under K*kao, why would K*kao allow for her to do that 3 days before IVE’s comeback? When she is literally the nation’s DARLING. Somehow the song wasn’t the success their previous one was, but STILL, it could have been! Why would K*kao approve for her to release with a BTS MEMBER!!! 3 days before IVE’s first full album if they truly cared about IVE that much and allegedly, according to kpop fans, did all this dirty work to get their success??? Because they don’t care! In my opinion, K*kao only cares about owning as much as possible, they don’t care about the way their businesses are operated, that’s why even SM wanted to work with them because they mind their business.

[@nadithyaweerasinghe6741]

@@2FullMoons right they’re just here for the overall profit they have no actual involvement in the creative decisions these subsidiaries are making otherwise that would have been apparent ages ago

[@bh1746]

At the end of the day, the essential problem is that the disturbing chunk of the English-speaking fans just cannot get over the fact that awards, accolades, and music wins are mostly about what the *Korean* people like, listen, and buy (no wonder there's a huge overlap here with people who constantly claim their faves have transcended the "Korean" part and get offended when they're reminded of where their faves come from). So they gotta find an alternative explanation for IVE's success other than reality... and here we are. 🤷‍♂️

[@pigeondance]

agree but if we focus on the international fans as well... literally everyone loved love dive??? when ive debuted with eleven, people were going crazy and hyping them up and calling them the next big thing?? after like was a huge hit??? i feel like everyone keeps saying that ive's music is so good, just to get surprised when they top the charts and gain awards. like, everyone was screaming "love dive soty!!!", but only until it actually became the soty lol

[@mjvidal143]

People who say that these Idols are now privileged, are just creating unnecessary drama to bring them down. GET OUT AND TOUCH SOME GRASS 🙄

[@leeknowisthefinestmanalive]

thank you for this🥰🥰🥰 ( now time to post it everywhere on twitter)

[@hipployta]

The Boyz is 2017? Why do we all consider them to be 4th gen LOL. Anyway Kakao Privilege isn't real and people just wanted to shade IVE because they are now considered a threat. It's annoying because regardless if you do well or do bad people will attack. I only knew about Just B because one of them was talked about in a TXT you tube show but today I learned they are a Kakao group lol

[@hannahgracequeen9124]

They are consider the start of 4th gen bc they debut the last month of 2017 and their promotions and everything didn’t start until 2018 and they were eligible for the 2018 rookie award. They basically promoted along with skz, that’s part of the reason why they are close.

[@beamour17]

well didn't skz release a song in 2017? then so why can they be considered 4th gen and tbz can't when even if they debuted in late 2017 they didn't start promoting until the beginning of 2018? 😐

[@hipployta]

@bea ☆ Oh...the way I'm finding out all these "2018" groups are acting 2017 lol

[@oceanwaves9923]

Damn wish Victon had "Kakao Privilege".

[@soft4taeng]

For real, they’ve been underrated for so long and it’s time people finally give them some attention

[@sieunloversclub]

Kakao only takes the profits that these groups have, does nothing else.

[@Anureet_06]

if kakao privilege was a thing then it would be big 5 duhhh

[@yxmazaki4410]

Thank you so much for this video. The kakao privilege is so non-existent that people don't even know about cre.ker ent. And txt fans talking about privilege for music show wins when The Boyz waited 1 year and half for their first win and then another year and a half to start winning a bunch of music show because they won road to kingdom. You can look at any the boyz content in the early stage of their career and understand that they were not funded. Another thing that I find funny, tbz have one of the biggest following in South Korea and one of the weakest globally, international fans ignore them and if they were truly privileged, under big4, you can believe tbz would have had a whole bunch of international fans. Ifans critic kfans for being superficial but are only attracted to groups from big companies

[@lazy2673]

I've is my favorite group . So now I'm going to stand all groups under kakao For a better year stan kakao artist

[@heartbear01]

Stanning all grps under kakao would be hard fren 😂 but they do have some great grps under them! You might just stan all starship ent grps considering they are close to ive! 😂

[@sur_un_nuage]

i wouldn’t be surprised if kakao manipulated melon positions and gave artists awards at the melon awards but if we look at the numbers it doesn’t add up and i wanna speak about stayc because i’m a swith and i know about them and their numbers the most, they were charting well on charts other than melon so you really can’t invalidate their success. and lastly like you said, no one stans artists under kakao the way everyone goes to stan any new group that debuted under hybe, sm, yg and jyp. kakao is just a company and idc about it but when it comes to their artists we really need to give them credit for their own success especially when there are underrated artists under kakao. like i also stan jeong sewoon and when i wanna promote him i remind everyone that he was on produce 101 because saying “jeong sewoon is under kakao 🤪🤪” is just not going to give him any clout whatsoever. every single group under hybe is successful and rightfully so, they’re talented and let’s be real they have to be really good to debut under hybe labels but hyhe privilege shows when their groups get attention as soon as they are announced before we know anything about their talent. i also stan many groups under hybe and i don’t limit myself to one company’s artists so i think i’m being really fair here.

[@2FullMoons]

Kakao privilege indeed does not exist, up until end of last year most people barely knew about kakao talk and that’s about it, then all of a sudden when IVE started bagging awards it was the ‘kakao privilege’ when they slayed every single chart in sight, they literally came out nr. 1 on every single year end chart including Circle ( which adds them all up ). While Kakao is a bigger entity than HYBE for example ( since you mentioned them ), the reputation they have with the kpop community is NOT the same, nobody says ‘the new kakao group’ and we all flock to see it, but everybody and their mom will go check out ‘the new HYBE group’. As for the melon manipulating the awards or charts, they have a department that does not allow for chart manipulation to happen, investigations also take place, kpop is NOT where it used to be 10 years ago, we can’t judge the industry the same anymore when so many changes have happened. And also, where any speculations ACTUALLY proven by law? Cause if it’s just the FANS saying so then girl, bitter fans will always say stuff.

[@sur_un_nuage]

@@2FullMoons right i swear like i remember having to actually tell people what kakao is when they came up in relevant conversation a few years back and the average kpop fan didn’t know what kakao is and suddenly everyone is throwing “kakao privilege” again i wouldn’t put shady practices past any big company but kakao privilege just doesn’t exist when it comes to status, attention, popularity and success and it’s kinda funny that it’s because of ive who 1. has good easy to listen to songs 2. has an extremely popular member(s) like their success makes absolute sense

[@vicm832]

i honestly hadn’t heard about “kakao privilege” until this video showed up, but even so, i can tell that those that claim that kakao privilege exists are salty big 4 fans who are angry that they aren’t the only ones running the big kpop scene anymore and are trying to find an explanation to it. this is coming from someone whose absolute favourite groups come from hybe. what’s funny is that these people manage to find reasons to accuse everyone else of privilege, EXCEPT their faves. their faves worked their asses off and made a way for themselves. which is probably true!!! but what makes you think the rest of groups didn’t as well? lol also babes, let’s not forget that there are no underdogs in kpop. of course, some struggle more than others, but all groups have agencies behind them that invest in their talents and potential. no single kpop group actually starts from scratch, companies do

[@oceanwaves9923]

Where is JUST B's Kakao privilege?

[@kabelo2]

Lmaooo, you know this is all because ive is giving hybe groups a run for their money!

[@user-ny5pm8kz3y]

2021년까지 카카오는 아이돌 산업에 영향력도 없었고 해외에서도 이 회사를 이야기하는 사람이 거의 없었음. 역설적으로 카카오에 대해 전혀 검증되지 않은 수많은 루머가 많이 생산된다는 것이 얼마나 카카오가 케이팝 세계에서 알려지지 않은 회사인지를 알 수 있는 증거임. 일반적으로 논리력이 있는 사람이라면 주장하기에 앞서 다른 사례를 먼저 비교해보는 것이 정상임. Until 2021, Kakao had no influence in the idol industry and few people talked about it overseas. Paradoxically, the fact that many rumors that have not been verified about Kakao are produced is evidence of how unknown Kakao is in the K-pop world. In general, it is normal for a logical person to compare other cases first before claiming. 카카오는 일반적으로 엔터테인먼트 운영에 개입하지 않음. SM의 대표와 직원들이 자신들이 원하는 방향으로 운영할 수 있도록 방치하는 카카오를 원한 이유임. Kakao generally does not intervene in entertainment operations. This is why I wanted Kakao, which allows SM's representatives and employees to operate in the direction they want. KAKAO가 그정도의 영향력이 있었다면 이런 루머들을 반박해줄 팬들도 많았을 것이고 그 수많은 악플러들과 루머들이 생산되도록 방치하지 않았을 거임. If KAKAO had that much influence, there would have been many fans who would have refuted these rumors, and they would not have left so many haters and rumors to be produced.

[@hyunjaelee9028]

Lmao there is no such things like kakao privilege, all of the group get their own success by their own hustles. The company privilege is exists only in the big 4 company (bighit, yg, jyp and sm)

[@nasacarat]

The thing about mama awards was from the beggining!! it has always been about popularity more than deserved. PLS i'm not saying ive didn't deserve the awards THEY DID. IVE IS MY ULT but even as my fav I can say that the best performance should've been nmixx or even if, i don't remember the name of the award, the one that ive got and every gidle fan got triggered?? That award too I wouldn't have minded if gidle got that! Though I was very happy ive got it!! Back to the point, The award shows has ALWAYS been about popularity. The biggest example of this is when bts got the best performance award and everybody and their moms (even bts) knew that seventeen deserved that!! SO yeah hating on ive is pretty stupid and they are only getting hate cause they are IVE anyother group and none of this would've happened

[@eternalghostlord]

Gidle one is pretty stupid if they r really gidle stans they won't shout kakao privilege or other bullshit as gidle's distribution and marketing was done by kakao in 2022.. ive had an epic year ive deserved the success they came out with great songs people loved it.. if they didn't they wouldn't have these many streams, views and sales..

[@2FullMoons]

Best performance is also digital points, IVE won by the same criteria that all artists before did. If you think IVE didn’t deserve it then I guess none of the artists before did either. Award shows are allowed to have their own criteria as they choose and define each category as they want. If fans are triggered by that then that’s their problem.

[@nasacarat]

@@2FullMoons Yeah hating on ive is really stupid just because they won many awards

[@AK-te7rh]

That same performance award got Aespa with Next Level the year before while Itzy was in that same category too and I didn't see as much hate and discredit towards their success as they did with ive. Many kpopers to this day use that award to argue that ive awards were rigged when you like it or not that was the criteria. They don't understand that it's about popularity and if they should complain to someone it's with MAMA criteria instead of invalidating ive's success, the worst thing is that they are even uninformed because MAMA is under CJ the opponent of kakao (they have a trauma with kakao).

[@2FullMoons]

@@AK-te7rh they also have no idea that FLO is owned by BigHit, SM and JYP alongside SK Telekom so we could also argue that they rigg their chart positions, like be ffr

[@Thispotatolikekpop]

It's absolutely insane how people want to discredit other groups. Especially I've. People act like starship is a small company when bringing up I've "rigging" scandals, when in reality they have groups like wjsn , who I think were as popular as snsd back in the day. And secondly, two members from izone are in the group, so success was guaranteed. It's also the fact that they ignore big three privileges, I have heard so many of them saying that they deserve to debut successful because those companies have worked hard to get where they are. And obviously they have, but I'm sure starship is also pulling their weight to promote I've.

[@sexypancake1]

I learned a lot. Thanks!

[@rahafl9606]

The privilege is hype it self not kakao 😂😂

[@faeriegraver]

Ive having two Iz*One members, including Wonyoung, who placed first on Produce 48 and therefore was the group's centre, this caused a similar amount of attention compared to when a HYBE label, or a big 3 company debuts a new group. Because Iz*One was one of the most popular 4th generation groups Ive were sure to get a lot of people checking out their debut, especially Wiz*Ones.

[@gamjasong04]

You can’t compare yujin and wonyoung’s popularity to hybe’s popularity, you’re basically saying that they are more famous than hybe and the big3 which is completely untrue. Only wizones or casual stans checked ive out because of them, but if a group under the big 3/hybe debuts you best believe the whole kpop stan community is gonna tune in. Look at the amount of pre orders for ive’s debut album vs the amount of preorders for newjeans for example…that says a lot about how coming from a big company is always gonna be more beneficial

[@jacopocassy3342]

Well actually there were so many wiz*ones who even wanted to boycott ive. I remember around the time iz*one disbanded someone opened a twitter account called Starship Girls which was dedicated to Starship’s future girl group and many wiz*ones reported the account and wanted it to close, that’s because they were hoping for iz*one to have a contract extension and they were against the girls re-debuting. Many wiz*ones blamed Starship for iz*one’s disbandment and said they would not support ive, so it isn’t even true that many wiz*ones ended up stanning ive.

[@nasacarat]

Sorry to break it to you but when wonyoung and yujin were announced as IVE members soo many netizens boycotted their debut. Ppl were tearing their photocards and sites refused to sell ive albums. 90% of wiz*ones till date aren't ive fans.

[@laissa9372]

um... read the comments below

[@lyvi1208]

ivestarship? nahh ivekakao? YESSS

[@rahafl9606]

Hhhhhhhhhhhh hybe family no nybe kbs yeeeeeeees 😂😂😂

[@johnchina4065]

Seriously people are just trying to find the smallest things to hate on ive just like how they did with bp🤦‍♂️🤣🤣 kinda petty if you ask me

[@wywrd_mtnt]

i agree kakao privilege doesn't exist, but the melon thing isn't true. They've been called out publicly before for rigging melon, even by artists like jyp and now the jype artists never get invited at melon awards and very rarely get nominated and there's some weird discrepancies in melon numbers for them compared to other artists (same number of uls, pretty different positions on the charts). So yes, kakao privilege doesn't exist but let's not act like melon specifically is reliable or fair

[@2FullMoons]

Melon has a department established that ensures rigging on the charts cannot happen, investigations also occur, idk how things were for them years ago but it’s not the same anymore. We can’t look at the kpop industry the same anymore when it’s grown so much and expanded the way it did. More eyes are on them, they can’t get away with stuff the same way they did before, we’ve seen that with the produce thing. IVE’s success on Melon, for example, matches their success on every other chart and award shows, so I have 0 doubt of how real their impact is. There are other companies out there who literally buy awards and we can SEE CLEARLY the discrepency on the charts but IVE for whom everything matches gets the worst blow. Unfair.

[@wywrd_mtnt]

@@2FullMoons no one's taking here about IVE, it would be questionable if they were not doing well with all the hype, I'm strictly talking that they can push down whoever they want on those charts, which they often do! like melon being rigged not in favour of others but in the detriment of others isn't a secret

[@2FullMoons]

@@wywrd_mtnt I only gave IVE as an example because that’s how this whole talk started last year, and again, you say that but we don’t have any actual proof of that happening in recent history. I also told you that they have a new department that ensures that rigging does not happen. If by ‘isn’t a secret’ you mean fans speculations that doesn’t say much because as I said, people throw around ‘rigged’ so much, it becomes a commonly believed thing even if there’s no actual proof.

[@wywrd_mtnt]

@@2FullMoons I mean they got called out by people in the industry and instead of providing proof they've banned those people from their award show skskf like I can't spell it out better than this. maybe now they're not doing it but they have a history so we can never be too sure. however this is in no way a "privilege" for the groups under them, mind you I'm a fan of some of those myself, so I don't get why you're defending a whole evil corporation when I didn't say anything bad about the groups

[@2FullMoons]

@@wywrd_mtnt I’m not defending a corporation just for the sake of if, I am stating valid information, if you disagree with it then that’s your personal problem. I told you, idk how they were doing stuff before but I know that now they have measures to prevent that.

[@nadithyaweerasinghe6741]

These are probably the same people who would rather have kakao buy sm shares lmfao. they don’t give any of their artists clout like you said. But K-pop fans would rather invent non existent privilege where it doesn’t exists then point in out where it actually do

[@stellakatula149]

There’s definitely NO Kakao privilege and they didn’t cheat for IVE but you can’t deny that SSE & KKO played a huge role in the LESSERAFIM and Garam hate to try destroy the huge competition and “threat” SSERAFIM was to IVE. Kakao removed LESSERAFIM as a Big threat to IVE with SSE I just know it was kakao’s move it definitely was starship. IVE was big from the moment they debuted cause of the huge success pd48 & iz*one gave Yujin and Wonyoung especially WY being the center and all. But LESSERAFIM was the biggest & most anticipated group to debut since like BP cause of Sakura success in HKT48, AKB48 pd48 and iz*one, Chaewon’s underdog/hidden gem and rise in iz*one both being 2/4 members Kami4 being the fastest to sell out their hi touches, Chaewon having the most sold magazines and having t(e most expensive photo cards. Singing izone demos 2nd person with most lines Yuri only passing her cause of high notes Chaewon built a strong fanbase domestically and internationally. And of course them due to debut under HYBE BTS company. The two of them being the biggest talk in 4th gen for weeks even when they where nowhere to be seen both girls fandom kept growing day by day. They were the most talked about izone members and the iz ones members who people were more excited about their debut. SSERAFIM had everyone’s eyes on them cause they were HYBE’s first ever girl group that consisted of two big names from 4th gen plus powerful vocal house Yunjin and a professional ballerina they were label tighten the Rockies before they even officially debuted. LESSERAFIM were meant to be HUGE way bigger than they are right now and SSE knew that too. So when The opportunity to get rid of the competition came up they took and that was the Garam bullying scandal. Regardless what people want believe that the scandal made LSF popular was a lie. That scandal did nothing but ruin all the hype and chance for LSF to debut with a bang and be the biggest gg. To be crazy popular instead it did nothing but get them thee most hate a group has ever gotten. EVERYONE jump on the hate train they used the scandal to try and destroy LESSERAFIM completely to the point of disbandment and it almost happened the girls weren’t being invited anywhere or got jobs after they debuted, all the things they got to do were all booked and planned before they debuted. They weren’t even invited to a radio station. EVERYONE that debuts gets invited to a radio station but till this day SSERAFIM has never been invited one Sakura started her radio show again just so the group could go on that one. In the middle of all the chaos of the hate was Kakao, Kakao tried to destroy LESSERAFIM make over 400+ hate comments. If HYBE never removed Garam LESSERAFIM wouldn’t be here today cause everyone wanted to destroy LESSERAFIM cause they were a threat two extremely popular izone member debuting in HYBE was a recipe for the biggest 4th gen group, ❤4th gen leaders. Kakao got involved in the hate cause of SSE cause they were scared LSF was gonna surpass IVE (the girls have nothing to do with its, it’s all their companies doing). Both Kakao and starship entertainment got what they wanted they got rid of their competition. But HYBE managed to save SSERAFIM before they were completely destroyed by choosing the other girls careers over Garam which is sad for Garam but fair for Chaewon Sakura Yunjin Kazuha and Eunchae cause this scandal had nothing to do with them but they got SO MUCH HATE and almost got their careers destroyed over something they wasn’t a part of. Kakao privilege may not be a thing or did they cheats for IVE but Kakao & Starship entertainment got rid of IVE biggest competition as well as ruining HYBE chance at having THEE biggest girl group after BP. But sucks on them cause New Jeans then debuted and know are killing it and LESSERAFIM are slowly gain back their title as Titan Rookies and showing everyone that they are indeed a threat. Kakao didn’t completely destroy LSF thanks to HYBE but they did get what they wanted and that’s IVE being at the top.

[@kenziii5973]

Who's the gg in the vidéo btw

[@kairos-049]

Tbh I have no idea what people like about Ive, their music and performance energy just aren't for me, but I'm not gonna act like their success is unearned and purely because of their distributor/parent company. That's just stupid.

[@pigeondance]

thank you! that's the non-toxic way everyone should be

[@goldenhourss]

the only that may be true is how they made articles hating garam and pushing the bully thing

[@soft4taeng]

But the thing is that the rumors against Garam didn’t start from that facebook page Kakao owned, so it’s not like Kakao was the one to spread the rumors first. That facebook page just reposted various articles, including hate articles, but those hate articles were also against groups like ive who are literally under Kakao.

[@gamjasong04]

News about garam were already circulating before kakao had any involvement though

[@moonlight_orange]

I believe Hybe is powerful enough to call out Kakao if they are the ones who spread the rumours.

[@via45]

Tldr no. Monsta X has been getting nothing since their debut.

[@rahafl9606]

But not much sweetie

[@lyvi1208]

thanks to ive kakao

[@rahafl9606]

Thanks to kbs hybe 😂

[@itzy6020]

This is what one big company CEO says that 2022 kpop music are playing dirty in melon and other streaming in Korea 😂 privilege .. ofc kakao is so big in Korea they can manipulate whatever they want

[@rahafl9606]

The ceo is just Jealous of ive or kakao artists because ive not only doing good in melon charts ive they are good in any charts to 😂 don’t use that as Excuse because ive not only win in melon charts song of the year they win in mnet (mama) not under kakao and another more even hype do the same shit as kakao doing and more the talk bad about bts how made them as high right now and talke bad about strykids and ive to and the pay the kbs to talk bad about ive wake up sweetie 😂😂

[@heartbear01]

Kakao of course can manipulate anything they can but that doesn't mean, it will go unnoticed. They have done some stuff in different industry and people are on them and considering they have multiple gros under them, they could have manipulated melon chart long time ago 😂 if they wanted

[@meawjiii_10]

i saw that one vid on @kpoparena and what he/she aaid in the video is ive cheated their way to success

[@laissa9372]

they literally hate ive, don't watch their vids and pls report