Is Liberal Democracy a Failed Project in India? - Abhijit Iyer-Mitra

[@RAIRADIO]

The 2nd exceptionalism was Vedic literature. The poetry and the sheer volume and the amount of diversity of spiritual studies.... that should be something.... coupled with the rock cut temples... I mean Kailasa Aurangabad itself is exceptionalism, with Hindu, Buddhist, Jain structures side by side. Show me another ancient world where this has been possible. India is the birthplace of secularism.

[@ramparmar3805]

They will never except that specially AIM. didn't u see how he gone from village personal toilet to delhi public toilet but won't except he was wrong.

[@sayantanibanerjee8265]

Wow rightly summed up the missing beads. Exactly things which were missing in this discussion are these things. 👍

[@officialsanathani4555]

I agree with your comment. But we are losing this culture because the gennext is glued to the West.

[@Priya-cm3tr]

Our version of secularism not he west. Our version of secularism don't have religion as a concept but personal faith and Dharma - natural law and equilibrium/balance

[@PI650]

Listening to AIM in optimistic tone in the first few minutes was so hilarious. He was literally trying to uplift the spirits of us.😂

[@vijayalakshmireddy7641]

@Avikant Khurana 0

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@natalkumar6132]

@@Rabindra_ hilarious but true .

[@PI650]

@@Rabindra_ liberal democracy in its true form is great but wokeism has corrupted it. Which is what they are trying to say. Nationalist socialist hindutva can be made possible within the framework of liberal democracy if people wants it but people in India is too corrupt.

[@lookintoit4537]

@@Rabindra_ Socialism has failed everywhere. You speak like socialism is some moderate version of communism but it isnt. It is the way to communism. Communism is more like a theoretical concept, and the way to achieve it is socialism. USSR, old China, Cuba, N Korea were/are all socialist countries. The reason we're a piss-poor country today is because of socialism. If we had adopted capitalism, we might have reached S. Korea level of per capita income by now.

[@fairviewib]

What I like about AIM is that he is very practical in his views and provides solutions, he views makes me think a lot of world affairs.

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@ARYANJEE-uu3qe]

​@@Rabindra_liberalism wasn't the problem wokism was socialism is the reason why india is a 3rd world country today what we need is a controlled capitalism pseudo secularism with a democracy we can be liberal and conserve family at the same time we just have to make sure in the name of secularism we don't supress religious values.

[@2112x1Book2]

There is a person named Jitendra Ojha whose lecture I heard on pgurus channel that proposed an idea called Indocracy (Bharat Tantr). Seems interesting 🙏

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@playerjack2566]

@@Rabindra_ ok spammer just comment no need to reply in every comment

[@2112x1Book2]

Arre wah, was hoping for this discussion since you mentioned the failure of liberal democracies on Sanjay Dixit Ji's program (The Jaipur Dialogues)

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@TheB657]

@@Rabindra_ Well said. Issue is Sir, our Bharatiyas need to be "reminded" time and again they are an ancient civilization and our ideals are on a different horizon and plane of reality altogether. To understand the "liberalism" concept one must go into roots of western (European) civilization. "Liberalism" in western context sprung from being "freed of 'religious' ideologies" commonly associated with oppression of common people on the pretext of religion and politics derived from it. In Bharat things are completely different and nowhere related to the western concepts. Here there is 'no religion'. It is "Dharma" { Duty, righteousness, staying with limits - respectfulness (maryada), protecting the weak etc.} which means everything in the positive. Dharma goes hand in hand with day to day life and hence there is no "politics" that can be derived off it except the righteous manner to perform tasks which is environmentally viable. The "Natural code" is our tradition ! Each concept in our books resounds the practicality of nature and nothing artificially created to suppress people, which is freedom in life.

[@ishankalia1219]

This point is on loop in my mind from the day pandemic started

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@dead34311]

@@Rabindra_ yess we need hindurashtra with meritocracy, with geeta and vedas as our constitution, democracy is rule by sheeps

[@dead34311]

and because of thix liberal democracy only corona spread in bharat and other democratic countries like hell fire

[@dead34311]

@Abhishek Triphati okk

[@stud6414]

I'm not even Indian and love these podcast. Then again, i love history.

[@abhishek201ification]

Now I am just afraid of youtube.. Information information nothing useful is going to happen..

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@veerapandyan8403]

Glad to see Abhijit talk about Chola empire

[@dnbhattacharya343]

Sanjeev Sanyal would have been perfect for this discussion.

[@singhnaveen5694]

He would be perfect to put down the BS this man AIM serves as he know there is nobody to check and balance.

[@mallianumula]

Abhijit has understand world history very well and he is straight forward , he answered each and every question with facts. Sanjeev Sanyal might have explained well in Indian context, but comparing with world Abhijit is the best.

[@shubhamkumar-de1pv]

@@singhnaveen5694 I think AIM is wrong about Indian Economy. It's well established that India and China were advanced civilization for a very long time. Also, there were hardly migration from India to Other places , isn't it the prove that Indians had fairly good lifestyle. Other foreign travellers have also written a lot about Indians glamorous lifestyle. I don't know what AIM wants to say.

[@singhnaveen5694]

@@shubhamkumar-de1pv I have same thing that if india was such a average place or just another place among old civilizations then why did so many travellers from Asia, Europe were intrigued to come to India? U surely can say that archaeology is under funded and hence we don't know too much about Indian past but he luves to crack third rate jokes from Vikings to sound cool.

[@atulparihar8056]

@@shubhamkumar-de1pv india was very well upto 600 AD after that it was constant decline. The architecture of India after 700 ad was not of India rather they were developed by invaders (well most of that). I agree India was best but until gupta period. Abhijit has stated the same. Still if he is telling we were not high end state, maybe there should be some metric behind that. Anyways I'm very open to ideas.

[@MastiKaHathi]

Avoid listening Abhijit on Fridays and weekends. I would say Tuesdays are better.

[@ravichandel8690]

kyu namaj padne jaata hai kya AIM

[@sanu1231000]

@@ravichandel8690 r a bhai bhai bhai bhai 😂😂😂😂

[@pillalamarrisaikumar7205]

There should be a podcast dedicated with every state of India by aim

[@pillalamarrisaikumar7205]

Thanks guys for the likes this is my most liked comment so abinav you should see it

[@mini3460]

That is much needed

[@neon-astronaut]

Just not Odisha 😂😂

[@rittiktyagi885]

Guys please like this comment so that they can acknowledge it . PLEASE

[@Kem____paalty16]

Yeah do it

[@acmkamos]

Congratulations Abhinav and Abhijit for a good neutral discussion without any labels of right and left wing. Nice to hear your assessment of ancient indian states ...which is why it is wrong to suddenly expect a strong, effective , cohesive central state to emerge from nowhere

[@RAIRADIO]

As a Bengali, the point about Bengali culture is absolutely correct.

[@you_cant_see_me123]

Completely agree .. and there is nothing to be ashamed of it , a lot of Bengali literature and culture is comparatively modern and may be a by product of the east India company setting base in Calcutta. But being old is not always being better .. Bihar (Magadha) has a culture dating back from 200 BC. The US history begins from the 1700s. Where would you rather live today ?

[@singhnaveen5694]

Are u sure of it this is case? Bcoz ppl like AIM would have least knowledge of Bengali literature but loves to pass uninformed comments on it.

[@gaudiyawarriors87]

Hey Ashamed Bengalis, you don't know your glorious real history. This uneducated guy speaks shit. Please first educate yourself & get some knowledge about Bengal's history. You don't have the slightest knowledge of the history of Bengal but are speaking like a foolish. If he had studied at least, he would have known that the history of Bengal is 5000 years old according to the evidence obtained so far. In Mahabharata, it's clearly mentioned as the Vanga kingdom ruled by the Great King Samudra Sen & Chandra Sen. A Chalcolithic-era civilization has been found in the "Pandu Raja's mound" area in contemporary Bengal of the Harappan civilization. Who does not know about the ancient Gangaridai civilization (4000 years old)? Kindly google it. Many Greek-Roman historians have written about the ancient Gangaridai Empire in Bengal. Everyone knows about the wonderful war tactics of this Gangal people. The first king of Sri Lanka , Vijaya Singha was the prince of Vanga (Bengal) who conquered Lanka with just 700 soldiers. Google please. 😊 Bengal's civilization from Gauda Empire, Maharaja Shashanka to Pala period and Sen period. All the Buddhist monasteries like Vikramshila, Odantapuri, Jagjivanpur etc. were built by Bengalis in the Pala period. And Bengali literature made in the British era? WTH .. The oldest known specimen of Bengali language ever discovered is the "Charyapada", composed in the Pala period. Read about the poem "Gitagovinda" written by Joydev, the poet of Sen Rajsabha, "Annadamangal" by Mukundaram Chakraborty, the poem by Bharat Chandra Roy (16th century)

[@singhnaveen5694]

@@gaudiyawarriors87 but according to great expert AIM, bengali literature just started with Britishers. Lmao.

[@gaudiyawarriors87]

@@sohamdhoptey1466 Every language has modern literature (same goes to bengali). Bur the way he talks bengali literature started under british rule shows his dumbness. Bengal has 4000 years old civilization, same goes to literature.

[@nazmussakib1084]

5:29 1. chandigarh capital complex. Considered one of the most iconic example of modern architecture designed by Le corbusier, 2.IIM ahmedabad designed by louis i kahn, 3.Gandhi smarak sangrahashala at ahmedabad designed by charles correa to name a few. 4. CEPT campus at ahmedabad designed by B.V doshi. I can name few more. Yes there is no iconic cityscape in india like dubai or manhattan but in terms of individual building there is some nice example.

[@dasarpurug]

😂 What is great about these..they aren't special!!

[@mdi5684]

Half of the structures you mentioned here look horrendous.

[@suyashawasthi1]

None of them are popular or celebrated.

[@shshanksharma6371]

The irony is that out of 4 monument 3 is designed by forgieners.

[@dwightdraper2767]

have you visited Chandigadh? It gives very dull vibes, including parts of Gandhinagar.

[@rittiktyagi885]

Didn't feel like i was watch for one hour. Thank you so much sir for your efforts

[@rasputin1433]

Wow.... Was waiting for your new video abhinav sir..... Very interesting......

[@rbenji500]

Such a grounded scientific approachto studying history, and the solutions in the context of today.. life-changing. Thanks.

[@nid4spid2]

16:40 This happened in the Third Battle of Panipat too when Sadashivrao Bhau came off the elephant because he did not see Vishwasrao and the soldiers tried to flee since they did not see their commander on the elephant .. ROFL when I heard of Swameenishtha ..

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@abecedarian9188]

Wherever Abhijit sir goes he so clears the cloud of doubts that the show gets enough space to scale up and soar up.

[@richiknair9036]

I'm half Bengali and half keralite. Maybe that's why I'm so rebellious with my parents

[@kaushiksarker8550]

"Caryāpada" from around 8th to 12th century is the oldest Bengali literature. Emotional instability should not be used to overtrump well established academic research.

[@kumar7359]

Yeah Bengal can't even conduct state elections in one day.

[@kaushiksarker8550]

@@kumar7359 Off course shitty analogy and cognitive dissonance come with being a rabid bongphobe bhaktendra bot whose leaderst leader in leadering history can't save his party workers.

[@satyajeetchafekar8680]

Everytime this topic of urbanization comes up guys tend to forget that there were other urbanized empire around India. I never heard a word om Satavahan and the amazing forts they built which are still standing today, Rashtrakut when the Kailash temple was built, Pallava era, from 17th century onwards Marathas. You wont have cities like Pune, Nagpur, Indore, Gwalior, Satara, Kolhapur without urbanization. I fact the peshwas and other sardars provided fund to settle new "Peths" all over these cities. You just get glued to one area which became deurbanized and then generalize it all over India. Guys come on bring some experts on these subjects

[@rightrightkrishnabalu3816]

Abhijit, I would like to discuss purely on one topic what is "Right Wing" and basic principles of RW? Will you enlighten us on it?

[@RforRajey]

I really liked the alternative political system of Egypt suggested by AIM .Cheers to Archbitchess of Mylapore. Take care and have a good health.

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@RforRajey]

@@Rabindra_ we are not a liberal democracy . We are practising occasional-violent feudalistic democracy. And this structure is rearing jehadis and anti national elements very well . Slap to a muslim child who enters a hindu temple violating the evident prohibition is a issue of national debate in Media . But a killing spree by TMC Cadre is altogether denied and neglected . With this speed of things going on , we would end up like Sudan sooner or later .

[@aimbot.2836]

@@Rabindra_ dude we were a socialist country for last seventy years

[@pulkit8628]

Thankfully someone addressed this Vishwaguru thing... I tend to align with Abhijit on this

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

We need another Narshima Rao and Manmohan Singh team (or Indira Gandhi for our security issues) and we keep getting Nehru and Gandhi wannabes!

[@Raj0520]

India is Nehru...Nehru is India I hope u are educated enough to know that. Removing Nehru is like destroying the entire foundation of Indian state and create an entirely different country.

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

@@Raj0520 With the benefit of hindsight, we can say without any shadow of a doubt that Nehru was a disaster for India. Gandhi too! Thankfully Nehru's progeny, Indira made up for some his Sins. Shame we keep getting people in power who try to emulate the former in every way.

[@suyashawasthi1]

@@NatrajChaturvedi Nehru is the creator of modern Indian state. The sheer amount of non ideological work he did gets undermined because of his few ideological fu*k ups.

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

@@suyashawasthi1 British are the creators of the modern Indian state. They just bequeathed the majority Hindu portion of it to Nehru.

[@tanmay6207]

@@Raj0520 yeah no. Other than non alignment and some scientific temper what else is so great about him? His fake secularism aka minority appeasement? Or craving of approval from West?

[@TheJediPrince]

What abhijit said about Indian mind of running from battlefield is actually what trads proud of. But the Marathas are exception to this, they kept fighting even after shivaji maharajas death.

[@playerjack2566]

That's why they capture delhi

[@rohansingh8444]

in a democracy, development is slow but damage is also slow

[@dr.harshitjain6410]

And it looks like India is on the verge of later 😑😓

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@supersuper3493]

@@Rabindra_ bro because liberalism is the way, you can't just kill Muslims/Christians in hindutwa state. So promoting Hinduism can never be a solution. Either you adopt just kill all religion theory, like ban all religious items in public. It will only effect muslims and sikhs for most part. Muslims will not be a problem, but sikhs will demand for Khalistan.

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

If it's meritocratic government Then no damage can happen

[@natalkumar6132]

I remember reading the tales of Bengal Amar Chitra Katha , used to read it in early 2010s . Had to leave them in Saudi Arabia .

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@rajivbhatia7960]

Sir with great veneration to Abhijit lyer-Mitra ,I request him to write a book on Indian history ,Indian economy and specially on the future of India , his views are modern and his approach scientific totally scientific, and provocative, please convey this to Abhijit sir....regards

[@firstlast-vf1ty]

The blueprint of industrialization innchina already started coming up in 70 by deng xiopang. He was heavily impresses by singapore

[@vinod.19]

Abhinav should have a specific video show on Pala Empire (750 - 1250 CE)

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

Cmon Abhijit! I always agree with so much of what you say but even the greatest of Armies used to crumble when their leaders fell in battle or were captured in battle or whatever. Its been a feature of history world over... If it happened to Hindus then it happened to Muslims or Romans and others too! Something overpowering about the need to save your own life in the here and now.

[@Billchill40007]

I totally agree! I used to follow his channel so faithfully but was shocked to see this here... What is the topic of this discussion, and they finally began to criticize Hindus?! Oh fine, you may don't like hindus, but keep your ideas till you! Of course there were mistakes by indians and hindus in history, but you can't blame and blacklist the religion and culture! And certainly, Ramayana and Mahabharata had many actual outstanding mentions of modern day scientific discoveries. Period.

[@Ashokkumar-qw9kn]

True. What happned to Alexander? Why their supporters got scared? Ancient times were like that. Abdali Son defeated by Marathas and they fled. What happened to Napoleaon? Duke of Willingdon who defeated Napoleaon said Marthas were way advanced in tech and more powerful enemies than Napoeon. Even in current times if any army commander loses it difficult to the cadre to fight but now they do as times changed. And India overruling other countries point also does not that much sesne. Why guptas need to conquer the world when they got most of things were here. Cholas conquered Sri lanka. if they wanted to rule they would have probably. But that needs very violent appraoch for years which Cholas or most Indian kings were not interested. These things are well established by prominent historians like RC majumdar etc

[@dasarpurug]

@@Billchill40007 Critisism is a part of Hinduism, pointing out fake scientific propaganda isn't making fun.

[@adarsh_1]

@@dasarpurug What do you mean by fake scientific propaganda? Have you got your hands on the Brihad Vimaanshastra of Maharishi Bharadwaj. And yes the complete manuscripts are not available anymore but parts of it are and are very interesting (not even properly translated as many terms used in it we don't know the proper meaning of now) . Abhijeet has good knowledge of defence, food etc. but I never take him (or Abhinav for that matter) as any authority on Indian history and science.

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

@@Ashokkumar-qw9knYes. infact the aim in ancient warfare was never to kill the entire opposing army. Rather the aim was always to start a rout and felling the king or the general was one of the surest way to cause the rout annd when the rout started that's when the true killing happened. Even someone like me who learnt much of history through Hollywood and documentaries knows this much. No wonder it happened to Hindus but Hindus have routed many opponents too including the likes of Alexander.

[@parassaini9748]

India is like what Heisenberg's uncertaint y principle says at certain moment of time you cannot measure the momentum and position of the particle together, rather you can predict only one of the quantities.

[@TJ-wo1xt]

Wow, this discussion is on a different level, thnk u abhijiy ji, u and AIM together are two visionaries.

[@varungautam6498]

That's what we should call intellectual. Always love to listen to knowledge of Abhijit ji.🙏

[@muneshkumar1]

Arey bhai he talks shit

[@sc4071]

Very interesting Abijit. You were very good today. Good and sensible points 👍

[@SangbaranDasgupta]

Just loved how they digressed from current politics to history .. loved the discussion.

[@INSTAFLIXMEDIA]

Avijit, it's not thakumar golpo it's thakumar jhuli and most of the Bengalis of our generation read that book while growing up. 😉🙂

[@Iyervval]

That’s right!

[@aashb6637]

@@Iyervval Wow, you read/reply to comments, pretty cool!

[@deepjyotibhattacharjee4582]

Wow lucky u got reply. Thakurmar jhuli universe is comparable with Disney fairy tale universe. Hope some production house will make a cinematic universe out of those. Stories like lal Kamal and Neel Kamal. Sukhorani and dukhorani. Etc

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@shreyanswritingchannel7515]

@@Rabindra_ It has succeeded. Liberalism doesn't mean we would have weak police force and military like we have currently. CCP is a bubble which would either burst or stabilise.

[@praksri7291]

The Karnataka Assembly building is the only one that stands out - Vidhan Soudha

[@thstorm]

Bhai Odisha pehli baar kisi ne bola. Mein Odia humara literature shi mein kafi deep hai. Par abhi to lawde lage hue hain. You want a famous story then read story of "Dharmapada". Par abhi to bahat hi bura halat hai.

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@chilarai1]

A promising topic went astray into woo woo history. We need to bang heads to figure out HOW TO GET OUT OF HERE, not rehash our failures. There is no argument about the fact that "Bharat Varsha" was and is a land with a unique identity, distinct geography and with a vastly superior culture because that is delineated by the Vedas, mathematics, astronomy, medicine etc that were spread over the world and were endemic all over the subcontinent. Let's go from there. We need several such discussions but let's keep it tight and focused.

[@oliverqueen5095]

A decent talk , expecting this kind of fresh topics

[@Abhishekkumar-up8zw]

Indian empires could not invade others the reason is that we never had a state strong enough to project power.

[@TheBakuganmaster99]

They invaded most of southeast asia.

[@nagarkotiprashant318]

Abhijit its great to listen to this guy.. My thoughts are somewhat similar to his..😂😂 although he his way too much knowledgeable.. 👍 keep inviting him

[@munindramohanta2584]

So glad to hear talk on odisha and it's culture!

[@dheerajpimoli9539]

Maybe upper part of Bangladesh and bengal were not bengal but chattogram and and other port cities were inhabited in ancient time also Because Ptolemy mentions this in his world map

[@shubhavida6961]

So many things in this discussion worth thinking. About good cities, I never post publicly, but have to say we fail to hire urban experts and architects like I am for developing better cities into the system unless they struggle a lot. All projects I worked on are stalled, the Amaravati Capital project, heritage urban square in Tirupati and many more planned by other experts that are in pipeline but the progress is very slow. Seoul has made remarkable progress as a city in 10 yrs and we have only a few remarkable ones to count here..

[@sridhardon9588]

The Tamil Nadu model is the best model in India. It is a combination of Leftism and Rightism with autonomy at state level. Gujarat and Mumbai growth is due to a lot of crony finance made available by the state owned banks thru political clout.

[@sujathaviswanathan7210]

The Ericsson joke was the best part of the video. Enlightening and entertaining at the same time!

[@mr.vengeance27]

You are looking at Indus Valley Civilisation in Isolation, If we had such profound knowledge and imprints, it would not have come overnight. There must be some backing for that Civilisation and predecessor of Indus valley must have existed.

[@janavisundaresan6419]

Abhijit is spot on. Our Indian leaders are mediocres if educated and uneducated.

[@arjunkushwaha4146]

I can't say about Liberal Democracy. But Liberal Hypocrisy will never fail us.

[@suyashawasthi1]

Blessed to have this much knowledge for free.

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@suyashawasthi1]

@@Rabindra_ India is too diverse for anything else to work. The moment you start going any other way than the present one you'll have massive protests, then riots, then secession.

[@suyashawasthi1]

@@Rabindra_ I am not a dharmic/right wing/ Hindutva guy but the right wing liberals find it's defence in Hinduism itself. They argue that by nature, Hinduism is liberal since there is no imposition of 'my way' like monotheistic religions/cultures. Examples of Mahajanpads and Vedic times and hymns are given. And they want to conserve this way of life against monotheism of islam and woke west ( which claims itself to be liberal left but find itself monotheistic culture by blasphemy laws like cancel culture).

[@completelyrandomcontent3184]

As expected, "the conclusion is we don't know."

[@aryanewsentertainment5703]

Trad is a blind spot of Abhijit Iyer Mitra

[@pallaviroy4929]

27:32 it's Thakurmar jhuli. It's a collection of Bengali folk tales put together by Dakshinaranjan Mitra during the freedom struggle (Bengal Partition).

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@UnbowedUnbentUnbroken91]

Abhinav and Abhijeet, please have a discussion on 1975 Emergency in India and discuss the 5 point program of Sanjay Gandhi. It is essential to understand how dictatorship would have functioned in India. All we know opposition leaders were jailed and newspapers banned. And sad part is leaders and newspapers only talk about these two aspects, not the rest.

[@nikita39072]

Finally someone talking about genuine issues...👏👏👏👏

[@mayanktomar1336]

one of the best and pure discussion - exposes many layers

[@abhijism]

While I've enjoyed and learnt from many of the earlier discussions on this platform (including those of Abhijit Iyer), this clearly wasn't an enlightening one. References to history was obfuscating and probably lacked a logical link to the present. I'm no expert in matters of history, polity or international relations, but I think there are more dimensions required for such topics. Also, the discussion should probably move past a liberal democracy to participatory democracy and maybe a change in electoral system as well. PS: This is not meant to disparage anyone.

[@navigator5375]

I don't think liberal or conservative (ideology) matters much when you have extractive institutions, efficiency of Indian institutions are still individuals driven, if good man(like shridhran, t n sheshan, etc ) is heading our institutions then they perform well , else they do what they are great at (which is economical extraction). We need inclusive institutions (ideologies are secondary and non primordial thing)

[@pram6681]

India should create a Dharmic model based on our Dharmic values where meritocracy will prevail rather than voting by the masses.Democracy is a divisive process which creates conflicts between groups of people and manipulates them to gain power.It is a destructive system like Divide and Rule policy of the British. Highly qualifies people educationally, morally, in social service etc are very few and they do not have much competition.Based on rigorous academic criterion, moral character and social service performed they can be selected and told to administer the country. Same process should apply in the army or the judiciary.

[@shshanksharma6371]

Abhijit even though u are bengali but u forgot about Pala empire and it's contribution. A bangla empire which played a major role in formation of tantric Buddhism and it's spread in Tibet .

[@nochurusita893]

Hi abhinav, plse do a podcast with AIM on successful models of industrialisation like Singapore, Japan etc. Plse ask him to explain it in a simple English terms.

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@hirakchatterjee5240]

I think the idea of a Hindu rastra is perfect for India. It's going back to grass roots and making all the things that are wrong now correct.

[@Alduizard]

51:30 There is so much conflation and sweeping generalisations here. On the point of invasion, sure there is that point of how many times were we even capable of invading others. But that doesn't take away from the fact that expansionism, especially of the nature we see in the abrahamic/western world, the religious/territorial conquest of a completely foriegn culture by a top down aristocracy, was never a part of the cultural/religious values of most cultures and regimes within India. This is also evident with the way Buddhism expanded outside of India, which wasn't through conquest. This is bcz one, hinduism/dharmic sects for the most part, aren't top down, they are decentralised and infocused, and they are very sectorial as well. The dharmic pacifism being two. Now whether or not they should have expanded is a different topic. But making comparisons and definitive assumptions about civilizations just based on events and data without taking into account the cultural principles and philosophies at play during the time isn't very wise. "Just like saying hindus are tolerant, they are tolerant bcz they are too weak to oppose or too indifferent to oppose." Again, a conflation of two separate things. It is true the fact of hiding cowardice under the garb of morality accurately applies to hindus. It is probably truer for hindus than for any other community in the world, especially in the last millennium and definitely in contemporary India. BUT, it doesn't take away from the genuine staggering religious tolerance that we have witnessed here, compared to anywhere else in the world. The indifference comes from the infocused nature of hinduism, which aids in tolerance and bringing about diversity, but a stunted form of which imo also leads to apathy and indifference towards injustice/wrongs/lack. With the very existence of sects like jainism and especially buddhism, if you know the history of its creation, its really a cheap undersell to suggest that tolerance exists ONLY as a consequence of weakness and indifference, not something that was intended. Such reductive arguments don't really help when done from either side.

[@vishy89]

Damn me. I am watching this at 3.20 AM. May peace be on me.

[@qh5716]

Anga Banga and Kalinga!

[@kedar112]

Why we declined? - From what I heard, read - Rise of Buddhism started the decline. Buddha used one of the 114 naturally existing paths of Sadhana. But he was also a great marketing genius and he managed to spread his teachings widely, also assigned disciples who spread his teachings, path further. Result- Varnashram vyavastha based on vedic traditions collpased, Kshatriyas dropped weapons, stopped ruling, joined farming, farmers got pushed into other professions. It was a gradual process. So Sanatan society post buddhism started gradually losing Kshatra Tej.

[@shshanksharma6371]

Yeah varna system is good all fault is of Buddhism. Dude Japan is Buddhist and they rose with Buddhism india decline started with decline of Buddhism. People forget that 7th century is also the time when brahminism us coming back and decline if India started

[@mudra5114]

Buddhism cause decline in India but thrive in Thailand, China, Japan, Korea,Vietnam, Mongol Empire???? How is that possible? Song and Tang Dynasty China was some of the most developed society in World and had Confucianism+ Taoism+ Buddhism..

[@shshanksharma6371]

@@mudra5114 I still don't get it now can u say that the heyday if Buddhism end up with gupta Empire . After that Hinduism became prominent when islamic invasion take place Buddhism was in its death bed . Hindus don't want to accept that their caste ridden religion is the issue inestad of blaming Buddhism

[@bhaskartripathi8758]

While I like bashing Indian trads but AIM's comment on Indian forces running away isn't really just Indian thing. Doesn't it happen everywhere during the age of empires. The state was King and the king was state. Applies to everyone around the world.

[@padmanabhanthondanur377]

Bengal prospered because all the money from rest of India were pooled in Calcutta before taken to England . Once that money is gone Bengal started with the down slide. Bengal won’t earn its money but tries to live on others money

[@mudra5114]

Pure bullshit.

[@dearestperson]

Conclusion - Everything is bad .. I don’t know what is good .. Just putting it in a flowery language...

[@nikjs]

39:00 - my guess is there was some huge disease outbreak around that time. so many hindu practices like snaan, cremation, untouchability (aka social distancing), ginger turmeric etc seem to be explicitly geared towards avoiding plagues.

[@chiefrabbi6735]

Sounds plausible enough

[@paharipant2]

I wonder if its in the nature of India to never have a strong State and always remain a chalta hai state at the mercy of the gods. I also lean towards the Elites ruled State but I dont know how we create those elite leaders that take us forward.....maybe with CRISPR tech we will have a shot sometime in the future.

[@arjunkushwaha4146]

Swaminishtha got me too. 😂😂😂

[@praddyumnashrivastava316]

Swami dena saath humara , lol

[@praddyumnashrivastava316]

@pavan how u know about swami nishtha ! When our senapati dies we drop our weapons in sorrow , its ok for our bahadurs that enemy rape their women u know ?? No wonder why maradana takat ki dwai ki itni sale hai humare yha

[@karmyogi-2.1]

Liberal democracy is not a failure. Strengthen RTI to strengthen democracy.

[@wittyusername1]

indians are best at SAYING "india is the best"

[@PI650]

Despite those famines, British Raj was better than Independent Indian governments. Incompetency is running wild here.

[@theunahime7446]

They were extractive mercantilist. Indians had nothing to name..

[@ArunKumar-xh8vp]

Isn't Pala Empire a Bengali empire which has take part in Tripartite struggle against Rashtkutas and Pratiharas.

[@gaudiyawarriors87]

Yes, it was entirely a Bengali empire to rule entire North for 400 years. Then another bengali Sena empire expanded same. Before the Gauda empire of Maharaj Shashanka

[@INSTAFLIXMEDIA]

Watching this conversation made me go back to my childhood when I used to be a curious kid and ask my mother if every other region of India has their own cultural/architectural history then why Bengal has none. Ever other state has their own dance form or musical form but West Bengal really has nothing apart from Rabindranath Tagore. There's not even one pre Mughal archeological site in the whole Bengal region. Did we at all have any history before the British times? Then what is this Bengali heritage and culture we all boast about?

[@mudra5114]

So Bengal was like Australia? Where Bengalis migrated as colonialist agriculturist s. Original Bengal might have been Eastern Bihar, Eastern Orrisa. That explains why Nalanda University which is in Bihar was dominated by Bengalis.

[@BrokenRecord-i7q]

Best duo❤️

[@mandy28887]

Bengal was a largely marshy area which only prospered when Humans in the Indian sub continent had learnt how to cultivate rice in that area and live off fish, rice and maize diets

[@Kapil_Abhi]

Just hooked into this 1... Abhijeet sir bich bich m Hope ki Tope bhi maaro kro Bharat k liye..😂😂😂🙏🙏🙏

[@raghunathram545]

We need to talk about, take pride and assert our inventions and discoveries without being chauvinistic. Bharat was the richest Rashtra not because we had or didn’t have Pushpaka Vimana. Bharat was the richest Rashtra because of its real science and technology.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

40:02 aim, i think the widespread adoption of the stirrup in eurasia... by around the 4th century, is where the significance of the steppe nomads really becomes significant..

[@atulparihar8056]

Abhinav, please tell that what form of democracy is better is it india's or of us basically comparison between presidential and parliamentary form of government. I find very problematic when centre has to make up with state gov where states are ruled by centre's opposition party. I want Abhijit's views as well.

[@ayushmankar4100]

Bi-party presidential just like US .

[@sudhanshusharan5720]

Abhinav it’s great to watch both of you but I think Abhijit & you have given us great prospective and information. But what should be done in India or according to you 2 we are a gone case ????

[@viswanathanseshadri1047]

I come to channels like Urban Chatterati looking for material on contemporary original indan thinking. Hence it was extremely disappointing and embarassing to hear of CCP model with Indian characteristics as the way forward. We copied the British parliamentary system, when we got our independence, then copies the Soviet model, then argued that Presidential form would be best suited (presuming copying America) and now wanting to copy China. Seriously disappointing.

[@Robertsmith001]

Well what is the solution then?

[@mikhilvashi8281]

best history class ever🙏👍

[@qh5716]

Bengal was regarded as an uncivilized land outside of Aryavarta... remember the Bengali Brahmins are basically UP Brahmins who were brought in by local Bengali Kings to purify the land. Even castes like Kayasthas etc. which emerged in the later periods are said to have emerged due to the mixing of upper castes and local Bengalis. Modern Bengali Hindu culture is just a few century old and was shaped by local Brahmin and UC zamindars.

[@gaudiyawarriors87]

Don't you have a little bit knowledge about Bengal's ancient Gangaridai civilization (4000 yrs old) ??? XD

[@qh5716]

@@gaudiyawarriors87 that was the indigenous civilization of Bengal. I never said that Bengal/Banga/Poundrya isn't ancient. Even Herodotus mentioned Bengal, it is clearly therein Mahabharata. But the landscape was completely different from today's Bengal. Also, the Sanskritization of Bengal happened much later, just a few thousand years ago. And festivals like Durga Puja etc. are just a few centuries old.

[@gaudiyawarriors87]

@@qh5716 Lmao. You can see Pandu Raja's dhibi has unique "_Dashavuja Durga_" pratima. Bengal's Durga puja has a heritage of 5000 years. And Gangaridai was a Vratya Aryan Civilization.

[@qh5716]

@@gaudiyawarriors87 ROFL...no its 5000000...years old..add more zeros if u can.. The earliest settlements in Bengal were proto-Australoids or Veddoids...read up kiddo..don't let biases take over rationality.

[@gaudiyawarriors87]

@@qh5716 Lmao. A very well known early christ era civilization Gangaridai (4000 years old). Pandu Rajar Dhibi is 500 yrs back then. Clearly it's 4500-5000 years ago. Yes. Dashabhuja Durga Puja evidence is far ancient. Update ur brain.

[@lipika6]

It's "Thakurmar jhuli (treasure)", Abhijit. All the same, want to know your take on Bengal saving the "soul of India " as stated by Amit Mitra (ex finance minister of Bengal) on NDTV in the current situation of violence in Bengal!

[@saiecorp5646]

Discussions started in right earnest but later on drifted nowhere. My take/ thoughts on liberal democracy- in my opinion there is nothing wrong with our democracy. Atleast nothing in principle. Our constitution is unique. Where modern democratic nations had to struggle to gain rights for every section of society like black African in US or women in great Britain, we got all rights by our constitution. We all are equal irrespective of cast, creed or gender. We have one person one vote, we have freedom of expression, freedom to practice our faith and have social justice. If so, why our democracy is failing? In words of Savarkar, "whenever virtues are in excess it gives birth to morbidity." Same thing is happening to our democracy. We have taken our good principles so far that it became abnormality. Corruption, lawlessness, arson, murder, rape has immunity if you are a politician. A criminal can fight elections from jail and win, too. So, we require reforms but not in judiciary or police but on our electoral system. We need benevolent democracy like Singapore and not liberal democracy we practice today. Thanx for thought provoking debate.

[@anayakapadia3748]

A great history class.

[@Rabindra_]

I don't know why AIM is defending liberalism! Liberalism has failed everywhere, from USA, UK, FRANCE.... CCP type Hindutva national socialist government is the only solution. Yes CCP is national socialist not communist. Hindutva national socialism is the only way. we have to save our family system, conserve society otherwise we're heading for 1)Sweden tier Wokism, 2)Lebanon tier demographics, and 3)Congo tier economics. SCARY NIGHTMARE!

[@satyajeetchafekar8680]

Fascination with Maurya and Gupta period has caused you to look not beyond Bihar , Bengal, Odisha

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

52:14 SL does not count. It was part of the Indian cultural continuum. That's like equating the Chola expedition to the Ganges as a "foreign raid". Let's be real - had the British taken over SL earlier instead of the Portuguese/Dutch and administered it as part of the Raj proper, it would have been conceptually India, today. Way more India than say, western Balochistan, which was technically "India" and even parts of India proper today... (certain parts of the NE Border, which actually should be part of a Chin nation along with parts of Burma).

[@Pyasa.shaitan]

13:00 and 17:50 19:30 23:50 47:50

[@samahirrao]

Thanks for Churchil quote.

[@adishwarkumarjain6512]

Same thing happen in Punjab.There was a Big input from UK migrants