is Lingsha ACTUALLY stronger than Gallagher? CONSIDER BEFORE PULLING | Honkai: Star Rail

[@dragonflymarcus]

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[@koko-hh2bq]

I think one point you missed out on is that Lingsha far surpasses Gallagher in AoE scenarios while still maintaining really good ST toughness damage, especially with Firefly. One of Firefly's main weaknesses is that she can't hit the enemies on the far sides, so Lingsha is able to help in that area while still outputing tons of frequent damage herself.

[@xenoemblem7]

Well tbh, those enemies needs to have Fire weakness 😅 (not undermining uour statement, just want to point that out)

[@koko-hh2bq]

@@xenoemblem7 That's why I said especially for Firefly since she ensures that the enemy will be weak to fire anyway

[@abukhaliiil1211]

@@xenoemblem7 it’s really easy to have all enemies fire weak by using Firefly’s technique. Overall, Lingsha has more healing, better AoE, more damage, has follow ups and she’s the only healer that has all of her abilities attack enemies. All of that for just being slightly less sp+. For versatility, she’s on bar with Aventurine because she can act as a substitute for him in fua teams. Edit: I would like to add that she’ll age better than Gallagher for sure.

[@theghastlygamerz999]

hitting far enemies is kind of a situational thing... if its for MOC, its kind of unnecessary since the blast attacks will eventually kill them... either that or Harmony MC will deal with them later. It's also worth noting that its still more beneficial if Firefly would be able to kill those minions later than letting a sustain do it. Since FF would need at least 96 energy to even be able to get her next ULT up in a single normal skill... and since quid pro quo is more of an RNG thing, you're always going to want FF to kill as much as she can so you don't have to rely too much on QPQ. for pure fiction, sadly, Firefly's fire implant only really works at the start of every wave which is basically just 3 instances. every enemy that pops up later needs fire weakness so Lingsha or Gallagher can help in toughness reduction. So in situations where fire weakness is not in every enemy, i'd usually just skip sustains and go for a Himeko to spam the FUA and handle enemies that are not in Firefly's line of sight. for apocalyptic shadow, it can be even worse since there's not a lot of situations where you want to spread your toughness reduction so gallagher works better here especially if the content allows "energy refills" when breaking the boss.

[@Kindi001]

at that point i will just gonna switch Firefly Relic and put it for Himeko and Play Super Break

[@thegamewoods8473]

I love Lingsha, but not for the reason youd think. If you asked me what unit on my account has put in the most work overall, it would actually be HuoHuo of all units. Anything short of a one shot and HuoHuo is never letting my units die. Couple that with the constant effortless cleansing which renders entire mechanics moot (lol Kafka), and HuoHuo has cemented herself as an MVP. So when you present me with a second HuoHuo that I can actually use with my E2 Firefly? Its as if the devs personally crafted Lingsha for me. I need her on my account.

[@defge_cd]

That and I’ve seen an E0(S1?) Lingsha drop 700k in what was supposedly a Firefly vs Rappa video. So take from that what you will.

[@alexbancroft]

@@defge_cd Rappa buffs break damage that a target receives, though. I expect she would do less without Rappa.

[@lazarusofentropy5966]

Me, who pulled E1 Huohuo as an upgrade to give my Gepard rest after he carried me through the game:

[@xenoemblem7]

​@@alexbancroftand that's probably PF since dmg is kinda bloated in that

[@p01nt_blank67]

​@@defge_cd Rappa's talent + A6 makes that possible. Otherwise, it would be just average. Notice how Lingsha does "more damage" with Rappa than with Firefly?

[@milosantos28]

This is a legitimately helpful video. I was wondering how she is compared to Gallagher. The thing is though, I have at least 2 DPS that want him and I often wish I had 2 Gallaghers (for memory of chaos or pure fiction situations). So having Lingsha AND Gallagher might just fix this problem for me. It will be like when I finally pulled Yelan so I can have decent hydro application on both sides of the abyss.

[@cyberswordsmen8198]

I'm in the same situation. Gallagher is the only sustain I have that feels like he really contributes to the team beyond healing I have a second version of him that combos with follow-up teams is ideal.

[@swagstache]

i don’t know if i love lingsha’s kit design. i feel like gallagher had a strong niche and she feels like another example of star rail powercreep . I know gallagher is more sp positive but i feel like her kit overlaps wayy too much with gallagher. down to the ult break vulnerability debuff.

[@Accountthatexists]

The kit overlap is just dumb and blatant powercreep example........like they could of made her like physical/quantum something to work as a break support for boothill/xuiyie nstead They need to learn to start FILLING more niches instead of replacing niches

[@gazakana]

I mean, it's obviously a blatant try of powercreep from them but it's a pretty bad one at that, since being more sp positive it's not just some kind of little bonus or benefit, it's a pretty big deal for the team because that are not only skill points for firefly but also for HMC, plus energy for him The damage difference between a HMC with 2 skills in 3 turns with break rope and a HMC with 0 skill in 3 turns with energy rope is MASSIVE, so much bigger than the difference in damage between Gallagher and lingsha That and the vulnerability debuff is, actually, not a vulnerability debuff like jiaoqiu's, is a multiplicative damage bonus for the break formula, what does this mean? Heavy diminishing returns, so the difference in the debuff it's also pretty small There is a reason why some theorycrafters think that Gallagher is not only equal at single target, but better, even without counting his flexibility for acheron/dr. Ratio teams that linghsa doesn't have

[@zakariamimouni279]

while I understand people not liking that she's fire, but I really doubt they did that just to powercreep Gallagher, because if they did, then they kinda failed at it, he's way more sp positive, he fits in a lot of team such as Break, Acheron with his debuffs and Robin with quid pro quo lc, and his free, one could actually argue that his better than Lingsha in Firefly's team f she's E0 since there's no way you'll have enough sp the reason she's fire has more to do with them wanting her to be a firefly option than them wanting to powercreep Gallagher

[@gardevoirmaster5743]

I mean this was to be expected because Gallagher is a 4 star, and four stars get power crept like how jingyuan power crept serval or

[@somerinsimp4327]

The limited 5 star powercrept the permanent 4 star ? No way !

[@DevBettencourt]

My E6 Gallagher for my Acheron and Lingsha for my Firefly ❤

[@Eksyll]

Literally same situation. Not having two good sustains is terrible, and the other 4 stars sustains don't work with either Acheron nor FF.

[@j3kwe]

Same

[@allisonsapphiranian0915]

I'm planning on the same but the other way around but sadly I'm not guaranteed. I also hope to get Ruan Mei in the future for Firefly

[@dragonflymarcus]

VALID AND TRUUUUEEEE

[@XtrmPlays]

This is 100% my plan. Plus Lingsha is so god damn cute and so sweet, so that's always a bonus for me.

[@bobthehandyman3650]

Imo, she should have been physical or imaginary to complement either Boothill or rappa, because firefly already has gallagher that synergises well with her fire weakness implant, I wish gallagher was physical for my boothill

[@Kris_King]

Understandable but fire makes the most sense due to her whole relation with insenses and smoke. Ya know the saying after all, where there's smoke there's fire.

[@sammysaito529]

@@Kris_KingLynx whole design scream ice but she’s quantum

[@jansolo4628]

@@Kris_King Yunli has so much fire fx even in her art and she's physical.

[@KillerFox971]

@@jansolo4628hoyo being hoyo

[@smolaether]

@@KillerFox971Hoyoverse has its own laws

[@justadude189]

if Robin taught me somthing ... its this ... "whats better than Ruan mei ?" the answer is 2 Ruan mei's "whats better than Gallagher ?" 2 Gallagher's

[@EyesDontCry]

She's not really a second gallagher. She's like a half gallagher. The reason galagher is so strong is him being able to action advance himself while only needing to basic. This is completely absent from lingsha. She only does the breaks. She is only an upgrade strictly in breaking and strictly in fire weakness which he already does. The reason robin is good is because she's just as useful as Ruan mei but in different ways, she gives you better coverage across different team types where Ruan mei doesn't while also helping the same teams but not all of her teams. Lingsha is not comporable here. She doesn't do what gallagher does, she does one of the things he does well. She's okay, but if you are looking for a second gallagher then aventurine is much more comparable. He is skill point positive like gallagher, he provides debuffs like gallagher and attacks often like gallagher. Aventurine and gallagher is Ruan mei and Robin, not lingsha.

[@LuketheDuke424]

I think the biggest thing that is missed in this video is considering their value in redundancy. Gallagher is great, and super often I want to have 2 of him. There are many teams of mine that want Gallagher so having Lingsha essentially be a Gallagher duplicate is exactly what my account and many others want. It's like Xingqiu and Yelan, or Xilonen and Kazuha. Having multiple options is amazing for those who have both and easier on those who have neither.

[@eugenejohnpurificacion500]

Maybe at E1 Lingsha, yes… but at E0, E6 Galagher is good enough… Lingsha’s AOE cleanse is maybe her edge, especially if future enemies will give you tons of debuff…

[@WanderingPoro_217]

You really expect Hoyo to not introduce back to back enemies with tons of debuff to sell their latest character 😂 It's not an "if", it's a "when", and most likely that "when" is one or two patches after her release

[@TerraTheWise]

She already 10%-15% better at E0. Don’t know who told you she needs E1 but she’s a 5 star you really think she’d need E1 to compete with a 4 star? Let’s use our brains a little ok?

[@AhaxD-r7g]

@@TerraTheWise Yes she need her E1, did u even read the post? he said Gallagher is good enough. If u just have enough resources to pull for E0, u ll rather invest that pulls to a more better unit that ll gave more than "10-15%" increase of performance, or better yet to FF's Eidolon if she s not E2 yet. either go E1 Lingsha or save ur pull for future break supp, and get Lingsha on rerun later. she is NOT priority, especially with Tingyun's rumor is on the air.

[@TerraTheWise]

@@AhaxD-r7g Yea sorry you’re maybe coping or something but no she doesn’t need E1 at all. E1 Lingsha makes Gallagher look like a minion it’s overkill. E0 is more than enough.

[@ffchickens1636]

I'd also mention she can be a good option as a backup sustain for feixiao. If I'm using aventurine for ratio or acheron then having a follow up attack user who only has attacks is a nice option to get more ults out.

[@ForTheViolence]

If you already have E6 Gallagher and are F2P or budget. Just stick to him. If you don’t and need a premium healer go for it! She is very strong and I would argue she is noticeably stronger. But you might not need a better sustain right now and might want to prioritize pulling a harmony or even a better DPS if you need elemental coverage.

[@Noah-gn2gu]

I see Lingsha as more of an Aventurine alternative. Heal instead of shield. Pet instead of counter. Fire instead of Ice. Cleanse instead of resistance. Independent pet action instead of personal CC immunity. I think she has a lot more flexibility and potential in FUA teams than she's given credit for. Her "emergency" heal can even be force triggered by destruction units. I think she'll age like wine.

[@legacymse7095]

I'll pull for her because my only other decent sustains are Galla and Bailu. Lynx is trash, same as Natasha. Bailu is a mixed bag with pros and cons. I originally wanted Lingsha to replace Galla in the Firefly team to let him join the Acheron team. But then I watched your Feixiao + Robin video (thx btw), I had completely forgotten Lingsha was using FuA, I was just obsessed about her utility in a break team. Turns out she's the second best option for the premium Feixiao team. This is going to be a massacre, poor MoC

[@gwterror]

IDK how you can say Gallagher's healing is better. Half his problem is when the enemy attacks back to back to back you can suddenly lose your units. Lingsha doesn't have that issue, much like Luocha. Now, whether you need that level of healing or not is debateable, so it's not like that wins it for Lingsha. But her sustain ability is certainly over gallagoat.

[@dragonflymarcus]

I never said his healing was stronger than Lingsha's overall, if that's what you mean haha I said his heals are "more potent" (higher scaling overall) than Lingsha's, but that Lingsha has more frequent heals and a get-out-of-jail card with her heals too so really, i actually quite agreed with you in this video LOL

[@TheVengeful0ne]

I think gallagher feels pretty good atm for a lot of people despite his healing being unreliable at times because a firefly break team with ruan mei disabling enemies just hides some of his weaknesses.

[@AyameAkito]

@@dragonflymarcus Gallagher heals don't scale, they are literally a set amount that with Eidolons scales off Break Effect, while Lingsha on the other hand scales off both Attack AND Break Effect making her reach the same amount of healing, Creator Experience videos making comparisons between the two characters have pointed out that an E0 Lingsha performance is on pair with E6 Gallagher with the same LC, all we can do know is wait for her to officially release and see if that comparison is still valid

[@TheOtherAzn]

@@dragonflymarcusone point that’s missing is that the Besotted debuff for Gallagher is dependent on the enemy speed. Now with faster and faster enemies like Hoolay, it can decrease the total amount of heals that Gallagher’s team gets after his ultimate.

[@EyesDontCry]

It simply depends on the team. For example, if you have lingsha she can only heal on her turn, fuyuans turn or on ult. The only exception is auto heal which has a 2 turn cooldown. Gallagher however can heal on his turn, his ult and whoever your team attacks an enemy with besotted. In break teams besotted realty should never go away, it makes enemies way too slow. And in teams where other characters have ults that attack, they are able to also heal on their own turn or heal inbetween enemy attacks by cutting the ult in and healing a bunch of hp back. Linghsa may have a better heal, but there's a little bit more opportunity to control when you heal with gallagher making his healing sometimes better and sometimes worse depending on your team (for example robin can struggle with gallagher when she's barely attacking, but pela will rarely die since she's always attacking)

[@Duskyming160]

I would definitely pull for her if I was rich or can swipe my credit card but I can’t . The jades I have been saving are reserved for E2S1 Acheron. I believe she will get her first rerun in 2.6.

[@jmcMateo]

E2 acorn is butt. 2 nihilist is ideal for acron. Plus you can use those harmonies on your other team.

[@lum_berry111]

@@jmcMateoif you have e2 acheron you only need 1 other nihility character on that team, which frees up the other slot for a harmony (ideally sparkle)

[@jmcMateo]

@@lum_berry111 isn't much better than just running 2 nil. There's opportunity cost as well. E2 so you can run 1 harmony + sustain with your Acheron? You might as well gotten an e2 harmony or more units. Can also just run sustainless acorn and just obliterate the enemies.

[@mrJones-ii7sh]

I saw a vid of hypercarry lingsha 0 cycle and i also saw a superbreak team with lingsha/Gallagher/Hmc/RM and it got one or 2 cycle pretty wild for a healer

[@Shinponn]

Gonna pull a kafka/Topaz and will snag her for the prediction of fate collab with HEAVILY lean on the summon mechanic. Glad to see another CC talking about that, great video!

[@tsyganko]

I LOVE the summon mechanics and am definitely excited for whatever archetypes 3.0 (and the fate collab) will bring. It is sad, though, that we didn't get enough time with Lingsha to fully flesh out her character. I try to play meta teams, but I first and foremost pull for characters whose stories I like, and unfortunately, Gallagher wins in this respect. His involvement in Penacony's story was incredibly important.

[@leoneldavid1976]

Im gonna try my luck and pull for Lingsha, and if I don’t get her, I’ll just save up for future characters :33 I love her follow-up heals and that’s just about it lol

[@deviant315l6]

Summons, follow-up, break, dmg, toughness reduction

[@kalamander8563]

It's a simple thing for me. I missed out on gallager earlier this year, but i just got him on the standard banner. Therefore, I am going to pull for Lingsha because at E0, she has a cleanse in her kit vs. ghallager needing his E2.

[@theghastlygamerz999]

in content outside of high difficulty DU, like MOC, PF or AS... the ability to cleanse sometimes can be optional especially on a Firefly break team as you'd normally want to just break enemies with those kinds of attacks so they would never get to do their thing. as a Firefly haver, there's very rare instances where i felt like i need a cleanse. So far my FF only ever gets CC'd on the Past, Present and Future fight in MOC as going into the next phase will just straight up CC a random ally... but other than that, never got CC'd and i've been using my FF team for every floor of MOC, PF and AS ever since i got her.

[@kalamander8563]

@@theghastlygamerz999 if only I had Firefly. Or Boothill.

[@theghastlygamerz999]

@@kalamander8563 so where are you putting lingsha? on a FUA team?

[@kalamander8563]

@@theghastlygamerz999 correct. I pushed hard for feixiao and Robin and got them both. E0, but still solid

[@jeffulloa218]

Lingsha is, to me, another Topaz. A unit whose value is incredible underrated now because the characters she's meant to be run with are not here yet.

[@ThePuff18]

I find it hysterical that we can already play Lingsha with events like the Wardsnce

[@sirensong1794]

Tbh the fact it’s even a conversation at all shows how valuable Gallagher is. Meta aside I feel like a lot of people will stick with Gallagher (unless they really want Gallagher 2) because a lot of people are attached to him just as a character and just feel neutral towards her (and he’s a lot more accessible for f2p). People were mixed about her design on launch and she didn’t get a huge story prescence in her debut patch so utility aside I don’t get the vibes she’s got a lot of hardcore fans yet. People simply aren’t as attached.

[@crisbermudez]

Honestly, this shoud not be a doubt, she makes her allies hit way more, she has way more consistent dmg and way bigger, she with Firefly are just perfect together.

[@kain1799]

You fools. Scales off of atk. Has auto heals when people get below 60? Shes luocha power creep not ghallager. Only partially joking

[@onewingedstrife]

I have E3 Samuel so I think Lingsha would maximize that team's potential since the SP economy would be better for her skill spam, but my Gallagher is well invested in. My next pull fest will probably be 2.7 if rumors are true and if Aventurine isn't rerunning with Rappa

[@KalarMeadia]

I have to keep pressing upon this. E1 Lingsha is not out of reach for the F2P player, and this meta discussion of comparing an E6 4* character to an E0 Limited is *Heavily* biased towards 4*s. Yes, it is likely, that, if you pull, on a banner, that has that particular 4* uprated, that you MAY get the E6 on a 4* before you get E1 on a 5*. But the luck players have had with Moze this patch kind of undercuts the assumption that you WILL. I ran into this same issue where people were assuming everyone had Pela at E6 compairing to JQ I had JQ at E2S1, before I had Pela at E6, and JQ is still the better debuffer (But not the better buff remover) because I invested. It really boils down to making an honest question as to your overal build priorities. Here's some better questions: Are you *invested* in Break Teams? (Example, do you have Firefly at E1 or above?) Do you want your Break Teams to last longer in the Meta? If the answer is yes to both of those. Lingsha is the better long term investment than Gallagher. He caps off, where Lingsha *Begins*. If you're just trying to create a quick meta build to hold you over for your favorites, yes, stop with Gallagher. If you, at all, are looking to eventually construct more than one simultanious Break Team, get Lingsha now, hard stop - there are no other compariable healers to Gallagher, and we are likely going to get more Break Supports/Debuffers in the future. Notable differences for someone looking for a summary: Gallagher is the better SP Positive and plays better with teams that can attack frequently. He's better at single targets he can break in a Superbreak Team. Lingsha is the better overall healer/clenser as her heals, debuff removals and secondary attacks are not dependant on Lingsha being enabeled. (She will heal a party with the vapebunnies even if she's anything short of knocked out.) She's better dealing AoE Damage, especially in a break team. Tl;DR: Lingsha is the better overall Break Support, and only gets more superior with more investment. Gallagher capps off just short/sidegrade to Linghsa. And Lingsha is the only other break sustain in the game for those who are trying to build multiple break teams.

[@Akame727]

I'll have to wait for the 2.6 livestream to decide if im pulling lingsha or not. If Gallagher is on the Rappa banner, I'll skip lingsha, if not, I'll pull for her.

[@WanderingPoro_217]

They're not gonna put Gallagher on a banner just one patch after Lingsha's, when people are literally not planning to pull her because of Gallagher

[@Akame727]

@@WanderingPoro_217 Rappa is a super break character and they tend to rerun character that work well together so you never know. Either way I'd rather wait than regret later.

[@freshacado4304]

@@WanderingPoro_217 considering leakers are saying firefly might rerun alongside Rappa, Gallagher should have a very high chance of featuring

[@vander1135]

nah by the time summon archetype got its characters lingsha gonna have her rerun so imma just wait cuz right now thats a 5 star that is just a slight better than a 4 star.

[@tyshen0329]

just use lingsha as a fire erudition unit w/ three supports. It looks nuts.

[@Yuki_Ika7]

i am going to pull for her and hoping to get her e1, i have 277 pulls and counting for her so far, i have all the mats ready, i will use her with my e1 Firefly, my Harmony Trailblazer (with Ruan Mei's signature LC) and my Hunt March (i need my Ruan Mei on my DoT team), plus Lingsha would make for a good "Shifu" for march due to all the attacks! After her banner i might save up for Echos of the Coffin for her too.

[@alexagain8520]

Would be interesting to see Firefly, Gallagher, Lingsha and a new SB support. With firefly's weakness implant we could see mono fire double abundance super break 😂

[@xMiyunava]

As a F2P i'll stick to Gallagher,once i get him ._. im poor on jades...but i just started Honkai x) and im not even near gallagher....for now i only have Natasha

[@jmcMateo]

Get a 5* dps first

[@deempay]

why choose one if you can have BOTH? then again I don't have guarantee yet so wish me luck

[@lamontehughes7318]

How many break teams do you have? Lol

[@rejecthumanity1551]

@@lamontehughes7318 not even just break teams i dont have adventurine so pulling her would be a great addition to my fei team and and wont have to share ghallager anymore

[@eduardomiguel4773]

​@@lamontehughes7318I think Lingsha also fits nicely with follow up teams.

[@leka2095]

good luck!!

[@theshiny_lotad4661]

It seems like Lingsha will truly shine in whale comps, once Firefly has her first Eidolon her skill point consumption isn't as high

[@luiss428]

she *is* stronger than gallagher and as a limited abundance, provides you far better survivivability. not to mention her summon is basically like gallaghers ult, but more frequent! she attacks pretty frequently that she can be a true 2nd/sub break dps however, gallagher isnt TOO far off, to a point where if you wanna pull for feixiao or amy charcyer nesr lingshas release, you probably can without loosing out on too much

[@wistrsw]

As abundance, E2 Gallagher, cleanse and easily have +100 effect res. Lingsha could cleanse herself because the bunny is not LL… idk, I personally looooove lingsha but why her kit is… ahhh,,, hypothetically speaking if the bunny could detonate dot, she is a must pull for my account ,,, LOL…

[@blueraine21]

fyi 100% effect res is not a debuff immunity since boss/enemies also have effect hit rate on top of base debuff rate... Kafka boss has 120% base debuff chance and guarantees to land if you have less than 38.7% Effect RES, most lv 95 enemies also have 36% effect hit rate...

[@rv5938]

​@@blueraine21Except it DOES mean 100% immunity. The formula is 100% x (1-Effect RES) x (1-Debuff RES), generally. If you have 100% ERES then the formula goes (1-1), which will equate to 0, and since everything in the formula is multiplicative, then anything you multiply to 0 will always be zero, hence immunity. That's why you want 100% Effect RES, unless you wanna gamble those odds, even if it is at 99% Effect Res. Only sure immunity is at 100%.

[@andysabur4966]

​@@rv5938I've seen this mistake so many times lol. They see one "lol did you think 100% ehr is a guaranteed debuff" comment somewhere else, so then extrapolate it to "lol did you think 100% eff res is a guaranteed res"

[@AeryMP3]

I think lingsha’s usefulness is locked behind eidolons specifically firefly and her e1

[@PaulSmith-nb6md]

The issue with Gallagher is that he requires Eidolens just for him to be abke to support on her level.

[@alexagain8520]

Imo if you're going for E1 then it's worth it if you want power, otherwise I simply can't be bothered to level and raise another Gallagher. Little birdies are saying you should really wait for the next units kits after Rappa before deciding to pull Lingsha.

[@hallyuniverse]

Lingsha is definitely stronger than Gallagher overall, but at the moment I don't think she's a necessary unit for any teams. If you're invested into a Firefly team or want to build a Rappa team, she's a decent pull for your account, otherwise I think she's a relatively safe skip atm in terms of account value (unless you're a newer player and don't have any limited sustains). I think she will be a really strong unit the the future once there's a Summon-based team and it becomes a fleshed out archetype with real support. Likely for the future with them adding the Summon-buffing Planar set this patch and rerunning Topaz so soon. I'm considering pulling on her banner but I'll probably just get her on rerun if we get news of more Summon stuff coming in-game.

[@GrayAsakura]

Everyone should look upbthe next bossfight. Lingsha absolutely destroys that boss and basically any aoe fire fight. Not to mention theres new niche team of lingsha driver so you can run 3 harmony in pf/moc

[@devilmeicry6967]

It should also be noted that Gallagher can be hard countered by fast enemies capable of quickly shedding the Besotted debuff while Lingsha's healing is much more reliable.

[@kinn0401]

That seems to be a minor concern since break and RM does still prevent them from acting right? But yeah if it's a long fight, Lingsha's probably better

[@TheJH1015]

also enemies that apply mass amounts of DoTs on the entire team like the DoT robot boss from Penacony is Gallagher's Achilles heel. He can't keep up with the cleansing because his is single target

[@courtesymusick]

I will pull for lingsha just to pair her with jade for comfort in a jade comp. Not meta defining but fun to use

[@PLBiohazard]

💡Lingsha's potential for a summon meta is one of the main reasons I'm pulling for her... even if it's a bit begrudgingly. She ain't gonna generate SP like Gallagher or Luocha but unlike them, she has up to 3 synergies: superbreak, follow-up and summon. ⚠ There is one major risk though: investing in the summon meta remains a bet as of right now. We have no idea how well Hoyo will capitalize on it. Last time I checked, the HP decay meta didn't go very far after the Blade+Jingliu team and the HP relic set.

[@fabrizzioarianmanfredi4844]

you forgot also debuff synergy

[@crisbermudez]

My honest doubt is, she is incredible with firefly right, but with Boothill? Since Boothill does not inflict fire weakness, I want a superbreak DPS, but I dont like Firefly design and abilities

[@fabrizzioarianmanfredi4844]

she should still be better than gallager with boothill

[@minako-chan1420]

You wouldn't actually want Lingsha to accidentally break the weakness bars for Boothill in the first place. Lingsha cannot do fire weakness implant sure but Boothill already applies physical weakness already and has huge break efficiency. Lingsha offers break damage bonus twice Gallagher's and that's enough.

[@DantoriusD]

The Only Reason i need to pull Lingsha: She is hot ❤❤ But other than that i have a E2S1 FF, E2S1 Ruan Mei and with E1 Lingsha i get the 80% Def Shred for Firefly. Oh and i have literally 0 limited Sustains and during the Last Months i was flipping Gallagher between Acheron and FF like crazy. Now Gally will be my Joker Sustain for other Teams will Lingsha staying in my FF Team.

[@aquatazer]

I’m getting her 100%, she’s very pretty and that’s all I need. Being able to replace Gallagher also so there’s one less man I have to use on my teams is great for me too, as I’m a waifu puller.

[@melinoe867]

Without HMC Gallagher just never uses his ult until it's too late if you do auto battle (for me anyway) so for me Lingsha is an upgrade for that alone XD

[@DahRahzor]

I don't know... Preservation units feel way more reliable than Abundance ones, bit as of today FuXuan and Aventurine are more than enough: the first is ideal against non-AoE enemies, while the latter is just ridiculous in any scenario... On the other hand, healers feel way more risky to use

[@cynthiastarcrossed]

Question then, I have Fu Xuan E0 and Luocha E0 as my only supports because I missed Gallagher banner and therefore have him at E0. Should I pull Lingsha for my Followup team or wait for an Adventurine rerun?

[@mad-ui9yb]

wait for aventurine rerun

[@KHR0ME]

I’m still iffy about healers…I just feel more secure with shielders…unless of course they introduce corruption-like mechanics from Rifthounds in genshin into Star rail….

[@keonilee6062]

When I got him I was confused because he was a fire character but now I use his kit now I him at e2 now

[@minako-chan1420]

tldr: op wants you to wait for lingsha rerun in the future because she doesn't have high pull value currently especially if u already have e6 gallagher. watch hoyoverse to give her a rerun among those new upcoming characters next year when the summon play style is the new meta and you'll get confused who to pull for just as y'all skipped robin on her first banner and you're struggling now whether to pull for feixiao or her 🤩🤩

[@1DMapler18]

im getting her LC spcefically for my E6 Gallagher

[@HirokiPlays]

As much as Gallagher is my favorite male character in the game, I unfortunately can't use him in two teams. She's not gonna replace him, she's gonna be my second Gallagher lol

[@UncLeStreetAway]

Me : Gonna wait for fgo collab. Need to save stellar jade for it.

[@Ghalion666]

I want lingsha because: 1: Fu Xuan is my only limited 5* sustain, and while she's great, her Achilles heel is stacking dots/debuffs. So.. having the first character who can frequently full party cleanse basically covers every base for me. 2: Gallagher is more than good enough for my E1 Firefly team but Lingsha is a solid improvement if your Firefly is E1, which mine is. 3: Jingliu is my only adult-size looker, my others (not typical adult size obviously)being Fu Xuan and Sparkle, even though they aren't lolis, they kinda make me feel like a lolicon lol, I need another tall babe to restore my pride =P 4: It will probably never happen, but in the event the game makes content so hard to survive that having 2 sustains is helpful, I imagine Fu Xuan and Lingsha as a pair are probably the best 2 you could possibly have since Fu Xuan can insta protect the entire group a ton alone if not for lack of cleanse, and lingsha can cleanse and heal the chipdamage the team takes (since Fu Xuan kinda turns '1 shot half your party' damage into chip damage) 5: I don't have any dot meta characters, I don't have acheron meta, I don't have FUA meta, and no I don't want to get Robin because honestly I don't really like her, I don't like singing, and I don't like how her ult effectively replaces the game's potentially good music with a track I don't care for. I'm hoping we'll get a high skillpoint use hypercarry character dpser soonish to make use of my Sparkle. Poor girl got shafted in terms of the meta constantly changing AWAY from her even though she's still good in general. HOWEVER, it looks like the next new meta might be pet team meta, and Lingsha is probably going to be the only pet-sustain for a long darn time. 6: I always wished Fuxi and Nuwa were playable in HI3rd...

[@stuartpratuch7036]

i heard if you get Robin's E7, you get the option to turn her song off.

[@WangerZ3291]

Lingsha is considered a follow up character too...

[@coldbacon4869]

I was wholeheartedly ready to pull lingsha but then I couldn’t make myself not got e1s1 robin. Guess I’m skipping until Sunday/tingyun

[@HeavenOnHigh]

For me, it doesn't really matter if she is stronger or on par with galagar. All i need is a second one of him, if that one has boobs, even better.

[@dexterlallo397]

ok ngl i thought she would be only good with super break team comps but also fua as well especially feixiao. My urge to not pull until for adventurine suddenly got lost. maybe if i get lucky i guess

[@mariuspuiu9555]

You forgot to mention the biggest difference: one is a hot anime gril, the other is a hot alpha male.

[@FiragaJJC]

I'm going to use both.

[@Coatez2000]

Lingsha damage output is quite abit higher, otherwise really not needed. If you want her get her. If you got Gallagher and dont want her, dont get her. 🎉

[@mismagia]

this isnt really meta but Gallagher has an actual unique personality and Lingsha for some reason is just another coy female hoyoverse character which we have 900 of even tho Hi3 Nuwa who she is based on had tonnes of personality like being an anime fan who decided to write alot of the mythology about her Flamechaser companions after the world ended because she wanted the next civilisation to be able to experience anime (unrelated but considering Lingsha had a master in the alchemy commission who was driven away and since many people believe Fu hua will be Hua Marshal of the Xianzhou i believe the most likely candidates for said master could be Dr.Mobius(who Nuwa and Fuxi were originally assistants to in MOTH before being passed onto Fu Hua) or Fuxi her older sister )

[@paskvil8291]

10 mins of discussions and you skipped the main point - hot babe or gallagher... c'mon! but seriously - thanks for pointing out the "future meta" aspect, that's what i was thinking ever since people started comparing the two, and with the new planar set it seems like this is the direction hoyo will move to next.

[@HSRFirefly]

So in short, if ur poor, stay Gallagher. Gotcha. Thank God I'm not poor lol

[@lazaruslong697]

You are, I spent all your savings on food.

[@daitoushoutou]

From what I know, I'm going to pull for and get Lingsha for the future.😊 I have a fully leveled E6 Gallagher with a Lv. 80 Quid Pro Quo light cones and other Lv. 80 abundance light cones. I remember how many content creators downplayed Robin when she was first released, and look where Robin is now. Even though I had an E1S1 Ruan Mei and an E0S1 Sparkle back then, and partly because Robin has full team 100% action advance, I still pulled for and got Robin and have her now at E1.

[@spartantraveler7251]

Stronger because booba.

[@dragonflymarcus]

noted

[@ventrue7]

I feel like pulling her is good if you have FF e1 and/or you wanna also use her in PF. Other than this I don't see her as a big upgrade to Gallagher.

[@mrgg1475]

does lingsha can fully utilize the luocha signature mechanic.

[@PaulSmith-nb6md]

How is he SP friendly when you have to use his skill or ult to heal while she just as to do stuff?

[@disinterestedhomo6002]

I love her design and kit, but her sp cost is a big downside in comparison to Gallagher.

[@user-yj5js7ux8j]

There is no nedto skill all the time

[@disinterestedhomo6002]

@@user-yj5js7ux8j but I wanna

[@blueraine21]

she is very sp positive u know... skill-basic-basic is the rotation but if you have high spd (160+) u can just use basic until the bunny runs out before using skill..

[@alexandrusava6980]

Also her only way of cleanse is through that bunny right? What's the speed on that thing? i can picture scenarios where you could be CC'd and that thing is far in the action order, hope it's not the case... but in that regard i find Gallagher more reliable.

[@abukhaliiil1211]

She has emergency heal with the summon, so it’ll still act if get down to 60% hp. Her summon has 90 speed and she can advance him through her skill and ult. Gallagher can be countered if you face really fast enemies like Hoolay which will have 260 speed i think, because you need to wait for your turn to hit enemies and get healed but again really fast enemies can hard counter him like in high levels of DU he struggles to keep the team alive even in break teams.

[@Kindi001]

beeing play this game, i just wanna ask is Lingshia can ressist debuff as easy as Gallagher? my Gallager build with 100% debuff Ressistance quite easy and still have 100 BE with ER rope. so can Lingshia hold her ground to able sustain her action? because you know imprision and Freeze is fucking pain in the ass especially in this speed base time trial challenge game. general gameplay? both kinda smillar

[@musicaccount-v2d]

the fact adventerine is potentially in the next banner rotation, don't pull for Lingsha IMO if you don't have him.

[@Real_Igor044]

Wait, I'm just finding out about this Is Lingsha's healing NOT based on Break Effect? Is it just attack? If so that's devastating for me because Ive been farming Break parts nonstop, and completely ignoring Attack pieces (Since I wanted her to have HP or Defense)

[@TheJH1015]

don't worry, her healing scales off of Attack but Break Effect gives her a healing bonus iirc. So you still want like 200% BE on her :D

[@stuartpratuch7036]

the real question is do you like dogs or bunnies more? pull accordingly

[@ronaldverdegaal9078]

I literally just finished gearing up my gally 🙄🙄🙄

[@PaulSmith-nb6md]

Maybe i dont understand some mechanics but how does a light cone make him better when she can use the same one?

[@vitorjjgameplays5786]

Because he uses the LC better than she does, simple as that.

[@srishtisharma3908]

Just stick to Gallagher and wait for 5 star tingyun

[@lightnatsuki7222]

Hmm I don't have e6 Gallagher still skip lingsha?

[@srishtisharma3908]

@@lightnatsuki7222 yes imo she not worth rn as aventurine Acheron 5 star tingyun Herta Sunday etc are about to get released/rerun soon

[@katakuri7526]

although i want lingsha shes extremely SP hungry sometimes and i cant afford that yet, i would need E1 firefly at least so ill skip but i do however will get aventurine instead

[@blueraine21]

how is she sp hungry when her rotation is skill-basic-basic? if you have high spd you can just ignore using skill altogether and spam basic since her follow up, utlimate and talent will keep your team alive and cleanse..

[@KoyaZak]

i play this game for waifus so im pulling

[@athiyyah5603]

I'm early. Gala papa numba 1, I have him e5 🤗

[@alexandrusava6980]

I will skip her this time, even though i have a E2 FF, i needed Robin since i skipped her original banner and Feixiao also stole my wallet, so yeah. That being said my Gallagher is cracked so i won't miss much in the meantime.

[@shoiko]

I have 2 break teams so both!

[@eduardomiguel4773]

It's just my opinion but for people who already own a built Gallagher (specially above E2) you could skip her and save your jades for upcoming units. If you don't have any premium sustains yet like Aventurine or HuoHuo then she's probbaly worth it though.

[@tcritty2812]

This is. “Lynx is enough” 2.0 😂

[@velvetcrowe2511]

I started playing this on version 2.5 got feixao on 30 and 70 pulls robin both won 50/50 who should I pull for 2nd team TY

[@gazakana]

One more important point it's not only that Gallagher is better in other team that need a debuff (acheron/ dr. ratio) but he also it's better in break teams in single target than lingsha for many reasons 1. Sp positivity is actually very important, it allows your harmony MC to skill 3 time on the first cycle instead of just 1, and in the rest of cycles he can still skill 2 times in 3 turns with Gallagher, with linghsa he will have... 0 skill in 3 turns, this forces you to use a energy rope instead of a break rope on HMC, losing the pretty strong E4 HMC break buff 2. HMC personal damage with break rope with 2 skill in 3 turns its bigger than the damage difference between linghsa and Gallagher by a longshot 3. The debuff that linghsa puts on enemies is not a vulnerability debuff, its a multiplicative debuff that takes action on the break formula, so it has harsher diminishing returns than an actual vulnerability debuff, the difference between 10% and 25% ends up being pretty small 4. Even firefly benefits more from Gallagher since quid pro quo can cut in half your firefly downtime if you play it well, which is pretty easy, and this its a pretty big deal unless you can do a zero cycle 5. Linghsa obviously scales better with eidolons, specially her eidolons and the first firefly one, but like, 95% of people can't invest like that without losing out other arquetypes 6. Do you really need extra healing on a team that has high innate effect res and with enemies that literally can't take their turn? And obviously, Gallagher its better as a general option in other teams, even on feixiao ones if you don't have aventurine (quid pro quo for robin), so yeah, linghsa NEEDS that summon meta, it's a shame since a like her a lot, specially her ENG voice acting

[@TerraTheWise]

I’ve never seen someone be so confidently wrong about every point they make. It’s impressive 😂

[@gazakana]

@@TerraTheWise well yeah i'm so confident that actually i'm gonna ask you to at least say what of my six points it's wrong, but you can't since it's pretty obvious that you don't follow any theorycrafter, only the echoes in your empty head

[@gazakana]

Bruhhh I looked at other comments and you straight up laying and attacking everyone that questions if lingsha is worth the 180 pulls lmao Care to share the calcs of that "10%-15% diff" my fellow genius?

[@TerraTheWise]

@@gazakana I follow TC’s and do my own math as well which why I’m amazed at your comment because you clearly don’t pay any attention or decided to make up nonsense. You basically said a whole lot of nothing that equates to optimization for one unit instead of another. You don’t factor in Lingsha’s superior sustain, how overrated SP positivity actually is, better toughness damage in aoe, how valuable she is with E1 FF which isn’t hard to get, how well she uses QPQ with Robin because of the extra FuA’s.

[@gazakana]

@@TerraTheWise bruhhh you didnt even read me, like, I actually mention all of what you said, but you didnt liked that I explained why this things are important, you know how many people can get a E1S1 on a character? SP POSITIVE BEING OVERRATED? And what theorycrafters are you talking about, I want names since I want to read the calcs that you mention too, it's pretty obvious that this "10%-15%" is not taking into account HMC performance so i'm gonna use that against you Personally, the TC's that I use for my claims are GTS and guoba on the American side and Lulu on the hispanic side, and pretty much all of the reached the same conclusion even without comunication

[@santiagodebernardo8297]

Wasn’t Lingsha going to be given for free?

[@dragonflymarcus]

i wiiiiish 😔

[@xenoemblem7]

That has to be one the biggest case of cope I have ever seen 😅

[@vexusdesu6272]

The real question is is lingsha stronger than himeko

[@GentleIceZ]

Apologies, but what's the OST at the end?

[@dragonflymarcus]

it’s the OST for the Acheron and Black Swan animation :):) “Rondo Across Countless Kalpas”

[@GentleIceZ]

@@dragonflymarcus I apologize again for not being clear. I meant the one at the end, here 8:03

[@Nyx309]

TLDR Do you have E1 FF? You might want to consider Lingsha E0 Firefly? Stay with Gallagher

[@adambryant4149]

Common misconception. Lingsha is SP positive with E0 Firefly and is still a damage increase.

[@Nyx309]

@@adambryant4149 she needs to use her skill to keep the bunny on the action order you can’t go the whole fight without using her skill but you can do that with Gallagher

[@TheJH1015]

​@@Nyx309 only once every 3-4 turns depending on how fast you build her. Then RM and HMC only use one SP each once every 3 turns. If you still don't have enough SP for FF, idk what to tell you :/

[@Nyx309]

@@TheJH1015 yeah that depends when you put it that way

[@agentraf]

This basically sums up my thought process - Gallagher is similar enough to Lingsha in the current role of Break sustain/support that it starts the question of pull value. Combine that with numerous other factors in my account (E6 Gallagher, have Firefly, has NO Acheron, F2P Stellar Jade economy, and absolutely zero units that would lean into a future "summon meta"), and I'd much rather instead get other units to round out my account to give more general flexibility in endgame content. I am missing an MoC/AS-ready Ice DPS and any indisputably strong Phys character...

[@xenoemblem7]

Pull value is a joke since every player have different pull values

[@austin17721]

@@xenoemblem7 Bro, the pull value they're talking about is specific to them. They're starting to question Lingsha's pull value, then they started to list things about their own account that would affect Lingsha's pull value

[@santabakure6264]

If I don’t have any 5* abundance character and have firefly is lingsha good?

[@zakariamimouni279]

depends, do you have other 5* sustains? Aventurine? Fu Xuan? in general, all you need is 2 5* limited sustains, or even just 1 5* limited sustain and Gallagher

[@gazakana]

@@santabakure6264 in your particular situation, probably lingsha has pretty high value, since with her and Gallagher together you don't need any other sustain to keep your teams alive, unless you want to play follow up in which aventurine it's better (he is gonna get a rerun pretty soon) So, if you play firefly, and you already have in mind playing acheron too (she doesn't use lingsha, but takes advantage of Gallagher being freed from firefly) then lingsha can be pretty good for you If you want to play firefly and in the other side feixiao or any traditional hypercarry team, then you are probably better waiting for aventurine rerun

[@jgmoney]

Lingsha or Adventurine?

[@kasu9337]

2 gallaghers is better than one..... I think