Is Lost Ark Dying ?

[@Neeko2lo]

ALL THAT and I didn't even mention AGS yet. That being said, prepare yourself for some giga Reaper Content soon 😎 Previous Bot Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2elaJ6EacqUpKc

[@omneity8637]

Random person: "Whats wrong with Lost Ark?" - Neeko: "Hold my beer."

[@tegridyfarmer2581]

I actually like doing life skills at this point :D Just do it 15 minutes a few days in a week super chill

[@CoolNumber1]

Pay to progress, not to win. Pay to win mean u can kill Vykas, Valta, and Clown without doing anything, you still die to mech.

[@kaaltv5028]

@@CoolNumber1 You can pay gold to get bus for any content in game, even hell modes.

[@layunin2941]

I played Lost Ark early access and it was probably my favorite gaming memory in years. There were soooo many players in the world doing events and shit. Now, if you level a new character, you are the ONLY person that isn't a bot. It's disgusting.

[@b_roli_xd]

It's so funny (and sad at the same time) that during the entire 30 minutes of the video there are bots constantly running back and forth between NPCs

[@tvbuu]

its horrible man

[@gamefuler]

I quit because I can't play the 1 character I want to dedicate time towards. Splitting my resources between multiple characters is pretty lame and feels like it goes against the spirit of an MMO's progression. Going backward to go forward never feels good. If you could use 1 character for the 6x weekly gold dungeons and 12 chaos dungeon/Guardian runs a day I would enjoy the game much more. Also seeing the bots kinda just ruins my mood.

[@joshfullbright7678]

yeah you are pretty much forced to have at least two, if you want to complete the dayllies ....which is what i run two only.

[@sporkaccione]

Heroes of a might and magic 3 music in the background... Respect

[@Piezzu]

I dont care about these drama baiting bs, as long as i can get into a kungelanium matchamaking within 5 seconds im gucci

[@lostblade9179]

problem with new players is that there is barely any since majority of new players are just banned rmters making new accounts, and the real new players quit when they reach the point of relic accessories and class books, they need to start giving new players 20 legendary untradable class books and more pheons, to encourage them not to quit, whenever i meet a new player although its rare they always ask me same questions which are gold related "how much vykass hard gives in gold, how much clown gives..Etc"

[@kohank5938]

You missed another very important problem here. End game raids in lost ark are very hard to first timer but it's nearly impossible to find a progress group at least in NA West server.

[@lostblade9179]

@@kohank5938 i think you only talking about hard mode because new players should be doing normal modes which are really easy to first time, not to mention western players don't even do mechanics, they cheese everything, they double wei for valtan gate 1 and use balthor for gate 2, that is super easy to first time, and vykass, you can litteraly timestop failed mechs in g1, but this does not matter when they can't even get into a lobby cuz the best they can afford is 4x3 legendary setup, and i have seen lobbies gatekeeping normal valtan/vykass.

[@servetozdemir5333]

@@lostblade9179 What is your advice? My main character has been suspended for 6 months. I am undecided whether to return to the game when the penalty is lifted on March 13, 2023. I don't know these mechanics because I can't find learning groups and I didn't experience it in their first release, and the lack of learning groups to learn makes this game very bad. feeling as if the half-year sentence was an exaggerated punishment. My level 1550 has a few level 10 gems and of course my 5x3 engraving and jewelry are 100% quality but are they enough? after all, even if I don't know the mechanics and I can't find learning groups to learn and I have no problem joining other experienced players' groups, I will still ruin their game experience because I don't know mechanics, so I will fail.

[@lostblade9179]

@@servetozdemir5333 i would assume u got banned for rmt, however to reach 1550, you must of done valtan/vykass to get full relic set first, did you forget the mechanics or you are talking about new raids ? since the only new one we have is clown and learning groups for it still exist.

[@servetozdemir5333]

@@lostblade9179 I mean new content. The reason I was banned was because I couldn't wait 3 days, I bought 610k gold from 3 party sites in September, actually I was in a position to give this money legally. but I was punished for not being able to wait 3 days, at least before I did this, there was discussion on forums and reddits that those who rmt got a 3 day penalty. I made such a violation according to him, I already had to, and I thought that if I cheated, I would be punished for 3 days like other people, after all, it was a one-time thing. The things I needed to take were important before kakul appeared. I had to buy 5x3 engraving and jewelry etc. Since I play striker, especially jewelry that gives deathblow is barely available, I would either wait 3 days to miss them or take a risk, but I was punished harshly as a result of taking risks. whereas I had to cheat, I had no choice but fomo. and those who buy the same amount of gold as me or buy more gold do not receive the same treatment at all and they are punished with less than the penalty time I received. I am not here to discuss this. but if I return to the game, how will we make new content when the ban is lifted? kakul, brelsehaza? hard mode? I remember valtan and vykas mechanics, i didn't forget. note that I will probably be able to return to the game when the brelsehaza hard mode comes and then my ban will be over, by then everyone will have learned the mechanics fully and there will be no learning groups?

[@Kuddochan]

Dying is probably an exaggeration but I think a lot of people are starting to hit their limit on it. It's a very time-demanding game in the end and the longer you play, the more of that time ends up effectively becoming farm content rather than exciting challenges. A lot of people in my guild are basically looking at Brelshaza as their grand finale for LA at this point but don't seem to intend to continue very long after that Also Diablo 4 is probably releasing in the coming Spring so a lot of ARPG fans that flocked to Lost Ark originally might be starting to eye that instead as their next adventure

[@Paziu23]

Yeah this rng is crazy, im f2p player and i need 3 months of 6 characters material farm to upgrade from 1500 to 1505 :(

[@enmityyyy]

@@Paziu23 you dont need 1505 rn + the rng in this game doesnt come close to other korean mmos and thats what mmos are its a grind genre it wouldnt be fun having no rng and everything handed to us

[@MetinCrafter]

@@Paziu23 Average rng 2x +21 pieces is 769 GHL. Your Main gets a minimum of 12 a day from Unas. Minimum of 12 from Chaos. Minimum of 14 from Kungelanium. So 36 a day as minimum. If you had 5 Alts doing Yoho, you‘d gain 6 per Character, so 30 a day. Thats 66 a day. So in 11.6 days, rounded to 12, you‘d have your upgrades. And thats excluding Boss Rush and Weekly Raids materials you drop. So you either didnt really bother checking and threw a rough estimate, missed it by a mile. Or you straight up lied.

[@steberdeber6223]

@@Paziu23 i mean, you arent even supposed to tap to 1500. The game literally is imposing you to stop and prepare for tier3.5 why would you even force yourself and complain

[@jgsource552]

imagine doing 18 legion raids in a single week

[@ashkanif8900]

As a f2p who played since lunch , and playing with 12 chars, I think this game want you to be in the train , either the person who buys royal crystal or the f2p player who consumes them via blue crystal , other than that as a new player who is late for the train , you gotta pay extra money for a fast ticket to catch up or simply game is designed to not to care about you , cuz even if you are a f2p you need 6+ chars with good accs so you consume a good amount of BC but as a fresh new player you don't generate many dollarsfor them unless you use cash shop , I think this culture is pretty accepted in KR but in west it burns out people very fast. So even I love this game it will eventually die , slowly but surely

[@blueddeath1755]

Imaging you just start lost ark and crystal cost 2.5 gold and you have to unlock card inventory roaster storage and all your weekly gold income is oreha hard+p1 argos. Dont forget no raids in fox and below atm its hard for new players. everything is expensive at the game rn cuz we have a roaster with 60K gold weekly from raids only not counting daily Amazon is slowling burning out players by delaying content and fixing gold inflation. Milking dollars=losing players.

[@Nerzgul]

True but also, I came back after 6 months to a merged empty server ( xD ) to try machinist, to only find out that inflation was even worse since when I left, like around 2000%, everything it's overpriced, a lot of stuff on sale but no one it's buying it either, so wtf is going on here -_- , you farm for a month to achieve very little now, no wonder if a new player sees this and think "fuk it, I'm out".

[@princevegeta8126]

I think the problem with LA is that every single thing they put in to fight the bots effected real people. They need to put in effective methods to deal with the bots without hurting real players. As a new player my gripes are I used the cash shop bought cosmetics, I Wasn't thinking about selling them but I noticed I had to wait 3 days to even think about selling it. I got to 1340 ilvl and bought some gold off the cash shop and realized I had to wait 3 days to use that as well.. Okay getting a tad bit annoyed. I do rapport quests and get gold coins I farm around like 5-7k alright lets get some gold for upgrades I use those coins guess who has to wait another 3 days to use the gold. What the fuck am I even playing at this point? Why am I a new player getting fucked like this when prior to playing LA I've made purchases on my steam account.

[@princevegeta8126]

If this happens again as a new player I'm out this is stupid. They have an anti cheat why isn't that dealing with bots why they added mechanics into the in game currency that fucks real fucking people over. Someone please explain because if i search this up on forums i just see idiots saying it's to prevent bots and usually that's a good excuse but excuse me why the fuck do we have so many bots still?

[@jean-sebastienpigeon3307]

I've stopped playing around Arcana release but I feel like only Datmodz, Stoopz and Zeals keeping the western version somewhat relevant. People are definitely burnt out of the game (or starting to) when you start reading the forums, reddit, twitter and youtube comments. The way the game is built, It's way too demanding having to play multiple characters for someone with a job

[@Wopder13]

this is why im starting to dislike mmorpgs. i dont want to invest 10 years of my life to look cool on a screen but i get it, money. these games are WAY to grindy for absolutely no reason… you honestly gain nothing. slave your life away to ultimately increase dmg and alter your look thats it lol. i get it mmos is basically living a whole new life in a fantasy game but jesus man they are to demanding. im not saying make it all super easy, but god damn it

[@CoolNumber1]

just play one character lol.

[@Wopder13]

@@CoolNumber1 playing 1 char means less ressources per week.

[@CoolNumber1]

@@Wopder13 Not really, if u play 6 characters, you have to hone 6 characters lmao to keep up. The resources is divided by 6. One chracter mean, you have all the event mats for yourself, u dont have to hone other characters.

[@Wopder13]

@@CoolNumber1 or you transfer all the mats from alts to main and get him to 1445-1500, then do the same for each alt at a time. by then a few weeks had passed and your alts + main are stocked up on bound ressources for when time comes. thats 6 chars getting gold so more honing for the char being focused on. takes more time maybe but much more rewarding in the long run if you dont p2w

[@ozianin7389]

For me, the turning point probably would be the moment, when I have to wait too long in lobby to get a decent group.

[@Neeko2lo]

Inferno Mode is kind of at that point already

[@senanur1983]

It’s already happening in EU

[@ReelAoT]

Very good points throughout the video. I think a lot of people don't understand the sheer amount of time this game needs in order for you to keep up with others to avoid the horrendous gate keeping culture that the community has built up.

[@tegridyfarmer2581]

Just join a guild

[@tvbuu]

@@tegridyfarmer2581 for what lol most guilds are dead

[@derhenker1799]

I pumped 1.5k hours into this game, ngl, like 1k was fun, the last 500 was a "i must do this to stay relevant" JOB. Reclearing raids was literally fun for me for months, but now... cant bother. Same with dailies (chaos, guardian, etc...). Same thing all day every day. The events are bad. All of them is about upgrade materials. The last real event was the Naruni... The legion raids will be cancer in the future, starting with brelshaza. Have fun in those without friends or static groups. And I can see them releasing Akkan around summer, what until then? Farm the same content every day? No thank you. The potential was huge, and the game is indeed fun until u hit a MASSIVE breakpoint, which will lead u to uninstall and never ever come back. Its just sad. Even BDO lasted longer for me (4 years!!), lost ark cant even hit the 1 year mark before it gets so boring you HAVE TO uninstall it. Time sink with no rewards, no long-term fun, 0 (ZERO!!!) competition between players. so yeah... the game will die soon. Many people quit because of the clown raid already , brelshaza will lead to another massive dropout, after that those who remain will be the only ones who remain. A few thousand, maxing out around 20-30k ppl. The new player experience is horrible, and will be worse in the future, so no, new players wont come.

[@HanY-gf3sx]

tbh out all of the games i played, mobile/pc games. Lost ark is the only game that i spent the least and actually able to keep up as a normal spender. But yes, this game is really tiring and can be burning out, people are fomoing much that they can't bear to leave their characters on rest bonus, fearing that missing 1 day = big loss. But really its not. it's all bout pacing. Even with BC prices its doable. Books are crazy inflated but ig i'm just lucky to buy it early, or you really have to work your way around it. Grudge when 5k for NA and eu 8k was the opportunity for those that didn't buy early in the game. Class engravings are too hype cos of acc prices, but its still doable tho. You can't expect to gear all your char purple quality accs while wanting it cheap. A 1460 x 5 or 6 roster can generate an income of 70-100k easily per week if you farm daily (around 3 4 hours) inclusive of selling mats, tripods while having chance of books and accs that you may get) So you can definitely survive as a f2p, even popular acc like peacemaker or igniter you can get it with just 30k gold, or if u really camp the market, sometimes ppl sell it for cheap. it's how you pace yourself and how committed you are.

[@ChiTownTx]

I don't think it will die, but it will only serve a small niche crowd in the end. It's just too much of a grind requirement. You can either run 6+ toons through the daily grind or swipe your credit card. The RNG at 1490+ is insane and will only keep getting worse even with the soft Brel reset. Not to mention the nightmare that is pheons (no reason for them to be on stones at all). Lost Ark is actually a fun game, but it's RNG rates on items along with the honing grind will be more than most players are willing to handle.

[@FRESHY_GG]

Ive played every single day since 8th february and while I can handle grinding for months, I'm starting to reach my limit. Every day and every week is the same thing, theres nothing new or interesting happening to keep me playing longer then 1-2 hours a day. Clearing brel will probably be my grand finale for the time being while I focus on some other games.

[@allaboutlife4950]

Well let me get those tier 3 mats then hahaha.

[@jasoncs87]

With the coming big patch a lot of well known lost ark streamer or youtuber are post videos about how good this game is but never mentioned the truth of this game to the new players. So thanks for telling ur honest thoughts of this game which i as a 3000hr+ grinder approve this 100%!

[@nekrovx]

Funny I actually downloaded the Ru version today and even in prideholme there were brand new players not bots like actual live players in the cities, depending on how ags treats these next couple months I might just go to RU and play there

[@rogerioalves8863]

as far as i am aware is beyond dead, the only thing i heard/saw about the game since a long time was that it has LOADS of bots here in EU/NA

[@ranjnijan3446]

Been playing since launch and I quit around close to 2k hrs…have no more desire to play the game even tho i loved the game. Before i had a goal of getting the gold mount which made me login so i would have quit sooner but after finally achieving it f2p i feel completely empty inside which is my biggest issue, completing stuff in this game just leaves you completely empty. I went from playing 6 classes weekly to 5, 4, 3, 2 and then to the point i can’t even be bothered to do my main. Also not to mention the f-ed up market which makes it nearly impossible to gear your characters especially if u only play 1 characters not to mention pheons i fricking hate these with a passion. Also as a new player you’d probably get gatekeeped out the ass, not worth to play as a new player.

[@Cfishies]

I remember when people are high on copium that even the most fair criticism about game is seen as a crime against humanity

[@gama2543]

Yeah , Bots and BC prices are a problem. Other than that I don't see any problems. 01) repetitive contents, thats any mmo. Not just lost ark. Name a mmo , it has dailies and weeklies which is repetitive. 02) pheons, U need 125 for 5 accessories + maybe 9-36 { unless ur fomo to get a 7 7 or 9/7 } 03) raids are still fun. Akkan also fun ( i watched streams , im not a blind andy ) 04) inferno mods , most people do with their statics. Idk barely people pug for inferno mods. 05) and there are new players . I usually do oreha with every alt I have. I see lot of 40-70 roster people on those. Mostly atleast 50% are new players , maybe others can be players who have 2 accts or something. PvP idk not gonna lie, I never do pvp. But good contents, keep it up. Have fun !

[@Rinma99]

Lost Ark puts repetative on a whole new level and tbh i played alot of mmos and never felt so forced to play...im a wow veteran from 2004...doing same guardian and same chaos dungeon for months on 6+ chars is just over the top

[@Paolini_18]

Players start to dislike doing the SAME runs every DAY every WEEK on every character just to get gatekeeped if they don't become a RMT ? Big suprise xD

[@GraciousPapi]

I played lost ark for over 600 hours when it first released in NA. I could deal with the bots, the lack of rng, and even the inflation but I couldn’t stand doing daily’s, especially unas tasks. I hadn’t obsessed over a game like lost ark since I first discovered Dota 2 as a teen and it’s just sad how after almost 6 months of not even thinking about this game that it’s still in shambles

[@Paolini_18]

Dont forget that new players are auto put into EUW and only see bots for their first 10-15hours of gameplay.... what a joke

[@alansmith888]

Gonna admit that Brel might be the end for me too. Right now there is just so much farming and dead time. I play 2 mains and its enough for me each week. 2 Clowns, 2 vykas HM, 2 Valtan HM and I also do all the other events and Argos too. It gets repetitive to do 2 chaos and 2 turtles + dailies every day on 2 characters. I can't be bothered to go make more viable alts as it just is so repetitive. I wish they would cut the amount of chaos dungeons to 1 a day and just increase the loot. Thats why Im glad they are coming out with south vern pass and also 1445 express event. I really cant be bothered to make another alt and try to level it whilst fighting sky high inflation prices in gear and legendary books etc.

[@ZhierOrreih]

I feel ya dood i have 4 alts plus 2 mains and 1500 ilvl I played 9am and ended 1-2am in the morning this game drives me crazy I feel it doesn't offer me much plus it keeps pushing me to use real money.

[@dyeluke7236]

I agree with SOOO many points in this video. Before I watched this, I was already having many of these thoughts. I cleared Brel g1-3 today, and it just didn’t have the spark to it anymore. Yea, I understand this isn’t gate 6. I have 95 weapon quality, some lv 9 gems, and a 9x8 stone. I’m gonna fuse for a lv 10 gem tomorrow, clear g4 with my current prog group, and call it. I really/genuinely don’t like logging in anymore and doing valtan/valtan/kakul/g raids, and after a few weeks, Ik I’ll add Brel to this list. Another big thing is the rng aspect. Stone cutting, bracelet rolling, weapon quality, and especially HONING. You can spend 100k worth of gold and not get a single success. And then your friend get 2 successes in a row. And there you go, he just progressed 2 weeks worth of farming gold/mats, JUST BECUZ he got lucky. Now, you have no gold, and made next to zero progression this week. Now you gotta wait til next week to earn gold

[@LoaWorn]

The bots just ruins everything man economy , f2p players , even p2w players its just a lose lose situation the only ones that are winning are the people who buys gold.

[@mranderson4001]

Those gold sellers got to eat and pay bills too

[@ceacaralex3994]

lost ark issue is not just bots. bots is just the one we see everyday, in our face. the deeper issue is the legion raid punishes all players when there is 1 player does not play perfectly. this make the game more and more toxic. as someone who make group a lot, i deny tons of low roster players, i feel sorry for everyone i rejected, but i have not choose between wasting my few hours teaching one player or just spend 20 mins and get the rewards.

[@LoaWorn]

@@ceacaralex3994 I agree

[@AEKfootball]

I started playing now. It seems good.

[@TheButteryGamer]

Hey Neeko Just some thought here as im going along and watching 1. the inital 1million launch users was a big boom because every big named streamer was playing it and i think it dropped off hard in the first few months because those streams stopped playing, to name a few, shroud, asmongold, rich campbell, NMP. 2. I think the estimation could be wrong, i don't believe theres any were near the amount of bots you are predicting that there is, i think the average player base is double what you said and more towards 150-160k concurrent players, i checked the steam charts the other day and lost ark was in top 5 for most concurrent players, only beaten by CSGO and Dota i think. 3. I dont think a new player looks at all the people in prideholme and thinks automatically "they are bots", the only real way to test the "new player experience" i think would be to find someone whos never seen a piece of lost ark content other then maybe a trailer. and see what they think of the game. I think we as experienced players having over 2k hours go to prideholme and its easy for us to spot the bots because we are used to them now. 4. i was never aware of how the cash shop actually worked, i just used it, didnt know thats how the exchange worked, thats an interesting note that new skins effect blue crystal prices, i didnt know this. 5. being in the west you do feel 2nd class, my 1 annoyance with the game is that im stuck on EUW, i wish i was on EUC, where theres vast amounts of accesories and more players than EUW. 6. a race to world first for lost ark would be fun to watch. The recent clown event at twitch con was a joke though and imo wasnt the best showcase of the raids on a platform / stage enviroment such as twitch con, makes me think is a R2WF and an "Esports" scene something that Lost ark needs, im not shure it does, but i agree the game needs some sort of hype event outside of the game, for KR thats LOA ON, we need something like this in the west. 7. Vykas inferno mode is something i want to do, but finding groups for infernos is hard, i wish the game had better in-game functionality for communication, so i dont have to tab out and use discord. 8. For me and my friends / static, our "fun" / get togethers is doing raid content, opening alt q and doing g-raids together, because we cba to play with randoms and tack on an extra 2-5 minutes per content per character per day, i agree theres nothing "open world" to get together, other then the degen dancing in punika. 9. I agree the new player raid experience does suck, im part of the problem, but thats because ive played, progged, and learned these raids as theyve come out so i expect everyone else to know the mechanics and not waste time. 10. i hope lost ark doesnt die, i love the game, its the best MMO ive played in 10-15 years.

[@tvbuu]

nah man your reason 10 makes everything else especially the new player experience bs lol

[@MrXAOP]

The overall flesh of the game experience carried over from Smilegate have to be taken for what they are atm, revisions can be made in future contents and feedback. However where AGS can shine would be to aid these flaws with there own updates or just pushing release dates ahead and/or along with in-game mats to help players. Problem is that AGS are set back from doing so with the holes they made with bugs, glitches, bots, server issues ect. That they have their hands full to focus on these QoL changes necessary.

[@joshfullbright7678]

I would love if they turned up the drop rates for high end jewelery, i have never got a nice relic piece to wear myslef, and looking at auction theres only a handfull for silly high prices.

[@frgmnt7313]

While the game may seem like it is dying to some, I'm still having enjoyment playing. I did make the mistake of making way too many alts that I pushed 1415/1445+, so there was a time I felt extremely compelled to min max my rested bonuses on my alts. Part of my enjoyment is playing all my different alts since they are much more enjoyable after you push them past a certain point. I just stopped caring if I have max rested xp, and just play a bunch when I feel like playing. You're only going to burn yourself out trying to go up against the whales and hardcore gamers. For new players, the only thing I can suggest is to find a guild that is playing the game at the intensity you want to play the game. You can probably find one through the Discord community. I got lucky to find one that is a mix of casual/semi-intense gamers, and it's probably one of the main reasons I am still playing the game. We just play because we want to, and play other games from time to time, or just relax to watch some movie/show.

[@Paziu23]

Im totaly agree, im 1505 gs as a f2p player but i think to leave the game becouse of this high prices. Second problem is harder every week to find players for 1300+ activities, guardians: only fox and deskaluda playable, Argos hard to find team and many others problems wint lack of players. Its just my opinion.

[@coldfries8976]

Very nice video and great points Neeko. I feel like 50-80k concurrent players is actually really healthy for a MMO like Lost Ark. If the game is able to hold this amount of players, we don't know yet, but as you said the game is hard to start fresh or even come back to, the new player experience is horrible. Especially the gatekeeping culture which evolved, i myself as a 2100hr player have problem getting gatekept, even tho i played to content hundreds of times at this point plus my characters being meta-geared.

[@CoolNumber1]

All mmo require you to grind lmao.

[@VenomCold]

i have 3,5k hrs and play since release 220 roster with over 6 x1490+ and they even gatekeep me so nobody is safe i guess edit: i forgot to mention most people gatekeeping are like 80 roster themselves and im just sitting there shaking my head cuz theyre declining my 1445 3x3 for an argos p3 run

[@vangjohnny08]

I agree with everything you said in this video. The only reason im still playing is bcuz im way too invested to quit now. But things are starting to get very stale very fast. Coming to this game from WoW and Classic WoW, the one thing you said about Lost Ark not being competitive is 100% facts. Watching world first races would be so fun, and also parsing/logs/dps meters keeps ppl motivated to play and get better.

[@rakennavarro2557]

People in the west doesn't like to spend a lot of time in one game, they want everything handed to them with the minimal effort then move to something else, is not just Lost Ark, happens with every MMORPG as they are generally very time consuming games... of course you can skip most of the grind process if you put money into it, another reason why western players hates them. That is the reasons of why is a dying genre here, in Asia definitely is not. Throne and Liberty (aka Lineage III) the next game that is having a lot of hype will be the same thing, lot of players in the first months then quickly debacle once people reachs the endgame and finds out that they need to grind a lot to get anywhere.

[@SolomonSamms]

I played this game a year ago and it was PACKED with people, it was impossible to not be near at least 4 people at any given time, now? I have maybe seen 5 people total.

[@guidoblok]

I just started playing the game with some friends, actually wanted to start playing at launch but then I figured out I was from the Netherlands and we aren't allowed to play online games that have paid gambling mechanics and the ability to trade those items. So back then I said to myself what a shame to be alive.. Then I recently realized they 'kind of' lifted this restriction for dutch players in Juli and now we are finally able to give it a shot. I noticed at the start of your video a lot of yellow dressed woman running around on your screen with cryptic looking names my first guess, but i could be wrong and they they are all bots, either that or just really intelligent chickens playing the game. I havent experienced many bots yet maybe cause I am from europe and went trough the earliest part of the game pretty quickly. So far I am really impressed by the graphics, they look amazing if you think free mmorpg dungeoncrawler etc. game. Coming from a guy with 1000+ hours in ESO and RS and 3000+ hours in Maplestory. The gameplay also felt really familiar cause I used to play league since s4. The main quest is way more enjoyable then I read in some steam reviews, even tho its memed to only press G to win (god they are awful to read trough sometimes). I do think the game gets better when you reach the seas, which is the exact point I am at right now. I did view their website and saw the artist class is right around the corner, really excited for that as I am a bit of an artist myself.

[@MichaelChiklisCares]

I quit Lost Arc instantly as soon as I watched how many currencies are paywalled, shit game, that is why Runescape will and WOW always dominate with high retention of players.

[@jamiestwrt]

Agreed

[@nutrino75]

the game does not VALUE time>..

[@Infinitruss]

Tell that to stoopz

[@henli-rw5dw]

I see a lot of new players in my raid. The raids take longer.

[@Daniels101]

Now the AVG is 38-40k players, people were so coping with the 200k players being real so much.

[@Neeko2lo]

and even in the 40k there is still plenty of bots left

[@juhis01182]

i recently got a 2 month ban after playing the game non stop for past 9 months and holy the ammount of time ive had to play other games and do someting else is ridiculous having to potentially play up to 5-10h if u got a big roster and wanting to keep up with the hc grinders

[@kingfistloa]

idk but I already quit. I have 3 char at 1500 400k gold and I just left it all. I'm just tired of doing raids. I still like the game but I don't like how the raid is designed. it's too complicated and time consuming and it's not fun

[@ExiledVessel]

I think the most I ever spent for bc in RU was around 800-850 gold/100. I started playing lost ark because of brel release in kr, by august first I decided to buy an upgraded pc and new monitor to be able to enjoy the game and then I made a video of my performance cause I had friends asking how well it did.

[@BoneyMonkey1]

AGS has done their best to kill this game as quick as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if Brel is the end and at least NA is done after that. I hope everyone remembers this if AGS ever tries to do another game.

[@minlee1995]

the game is dead no argument here, people who argue that the game is not dead yet are delusional, because they spent a lot of money or time in the game so they are refusing to accept the reality

[@SeoMoon1155]

I recently came back to lost ark since my PC was bricked when it originally launched - and all of the "new player" problems you mentioned really hit the spot. I always wanted to play some of the harer contents of this game but all of these issues are just ruining my motivation. But the biggest fact for sure is that I have legit no-one to play with because all the matchmaking is dead and there are no learning groups or some stuff like that...

[@devindillard1918]

That's the thing for me as well. I enjoyed queueing and actually having people to play with.

[@allaboutlife4950]

I just started and im item level 1100. It is fun to me but the matchmaking is horrible. I cant even access certain content ex. Abyssal dungeon because the number of people required never show up.

[@darkanraiden]

They ignored pvp also. Less and less players do pvp, its rusia all over

[@ZhierOrreih]

The only problem with this game is gatekeeping if you cant catch up with the content they you're dead and you are either forced to use real money just to catch up.

[@pozisus7712]

why do i hear heroes might and magic music at background? :)

[@sprinngam2536]

A thing with bots rn is they can join dungeons. By mistake a carried 3 bots in boss rush and after round like 13 or somerhing i realized what i have done

[@Sinsqnce]

Its unironically most efficient to not play the game but just swipe and wait for the new content patch, Whilst I understand that the work culture in the east is quite vastly different to the west I still can't graps my head around the fact that they seem to just blindly accept this type of monetization. There is quite litterally no prestige tied to 99% of most of the end game content in MMO's like these since most of the "effort" is tied to swipining. Its sad honestly as there's been plenty of eastern mmo's over the years with some serious potential 🙃

[@ransom1004]

Pheons for ability stones, blue crystal prices and gold inflation destroys the chances of success for new and returning players.

[@StephenV1388]

Also the bots are literally breaking the game. The market doesn't work correctly. Constant errors, bugged chests, disconnections, and after weekly reset you hardly see real players. Just bots. This game is just a shell of its former self. Tiers 1 and 2 don't even matter anymore, and the story is so long and boring. It's sad. I agree with you. The only players I see now days are high level. Probably because they spent too much time or money to quit. It feels pointless these days to play with all these bots flooding the maps. Flexing on bots is not fun lol.

[@donutjrr1723]

I played on launch and stopped like a month afterwards. Too much RNG and too much time needed DAILY to keep updated. If you have to play 8h a day on a single game to keep competitive than that games is gonna die soon.

[@vashe9]

I totally forgot about this game... I see it's still Bots Ark

[@edwardwongliupepelutivrusk1262]

The bots are crazy, I come back for reaper, I can only see bots on my screen, only in major town area I see serveral players.

[@itisthefear]

To me it sounds you are a bit burned out of the game yourself, you are explaining the game's systems which means you are also targetting potential new players, but instead of keeping a good balance between the good and the bad of the game, you are mostly talking about the negatives. The game has been doing well in KR only the past 2 years when it revived itself with Season 2, It's still a new game and they are constantly adding new things and improving systems. I would also appreciate if this was one of your points. Also it would be nice to mention that our version of the game is more F2P friendly. Calling the game "P2W" and not elaborating is only going to make the "stigma" you also mentioned even worse. Most of you content creators already knew about those issues before hand, since you were playing in other regions as well, but i didnt see any of you pointing those out, but instead joined the hype train promoting the game to the extreme, and now that the game is less appealing, and you probably dont have anything to lose, you join the hate train, that's how i see it sadly.

[@jasoncs87]

hate train? The man is just expressing his feeling with the game. And here comes u judging it as if ur some higher class human been. Ppl who plays mmo should know it already. MMO will always be pay to win! Welcome to this world where there are no such thing as fairness. Smart ppl will never ever play fair with dumb ppl!

[@Neeko2lo]

This Video was supposed to be negative. If you want a more rounded Review try this one here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3zNhZiGoqxmjLs

[@mranderson4001]

“New game“🤣. You high asf on mokokopium my guy. Please read the room, and get out of that bubble of yours. No shitake mushrooms they’ll ride the wave as a content creators, it’s their job to build hype to pay their bills. It’s up to the viewer to have skepticism on any product/information to make their own decision, and their future with that product/info. Only time I’ll come back to Lost Ark is when bots are permanently wiped out, and inflation is greatly reduced, and honing is not a bottomless shit hole, but that’s also me high on mokokopium.

[@itisthefear]

@@mranderson4001 No it's actually not up to the players scepticism to know something without trying it out. That's literally the point of my post. Like i said, Both SG and AGS are aware of the issues, i am confident most issues will be fixed overtime. If you keep up with the dev talk, there are new systems announced on LOAON this December. Also, AGS said that they are working with SG to get a new system to combat bots here in the west.

[@mranderson4001]

@@itisthefearcontent creators are always trying to sell you onto something wether it’s an idea, a game, etc to farm that view, like, sub, follow, whatever. Same with info commercials, take what they say with a grain of salt b/c you’ll only truly find out once you got that product in your hands. Difference is you can’t return that time or money back guaranteed which sucks so you got to be extra skeptical when getting into an mmo especially when there is a cash shop or platinum launch pack. If you realize yourself to make that personal decision to stop investing into something due to skepticism of the future with you & that product, good; if you rely on content creators influence as words of gospel, bad. They just tryna pay their bills while they try to create controversy, entertainment, or guides for us. AGS/SMG been promising shit that will fix the bot issues like banning vpns, mass waves of bans, etc. The only true experimental fix i think to slow down bots for global is a mandatory subscription model with crystaline aura & other added benefits players are willing to agree to IN EXCHANGE for the game NOT to be FREE since personal id stuff is not law besides countries like KR. Crystaline aura is a QoL must & basically already their subscription except the game is free to do without it which is how the bots are able to keep multiplying non stop. But i think it’s already too late since this idea is something that should have been on release for global

[@sula2315]

I would like to play lost ark sometimes, but i just log in to claim rewards. Due to bots, RMT(the prices are sometimes very low). There are ofc many more other problems, endless not fun grind, AGS/SG management sucks ass for real. They have made many mistakes, which were harmful for players and no some little compensation package doesnt mean anything if they still repeat them. Also the community problem of gatekeeping newer players from raids due to class or whatever elitist bs. Whats good about the game? Combat animations maybe. Western version of the game punishes bots/rmters the least, no negative gold(which RU uses), temporary bans which is just ridiculous. Goldbots/rmters need to be permabanned quickly.

[@betomaze4954]

I do agree with what you said in the video. I love the game but if it doesn't change in some major ways it is surely going to fade away in the west.

[@Cascada200]

It will

[@Cascada200]

Look what happened to Maplestory 2 in the West? It shutdown after 2 years. It kept bleeding players

[@jacobcativo6877]

I love buying blue crystals when it is like 400g vs 95bc only to buy crystalline aura and leg-rare card packs from Mari. But when it went up like 1000g vs 95bc. I stopped and focus on alts progression.

[@NaixYOLO]

It's been the most anticipating game for me for a long time, I've spend 1800 hours and I had a lot of fun, visuals are great, combat is amazing, there is stuff to collect and most importantly cool skins. Unfortunately game has way too many problems, if you are not a whale or you don't invest day after day on multiple chars you will have a hard time and in the end get burned out like I did. Everything is so damn expensive and it gets more and more expensive as time passes, want to buy yourself a skin? That will be a week of farming. When it comes to gear you can also spend a week farming and not move even an inch towards next raid for example. Bots are still huge problem and I don't see that being fixed in the near future. Last but not least you won't learn the most important content that is raids from videos, there are way too many things to remember and unless u progress first week of the release or have a static guild you will also have hard time since learning groups are non existent, anyway if you like daily routine and have a lot of time (or money) and ppl to play with you will still enjoy it.

[@nyztan0]

Dude as someone who has 2900h in the game and still playing the game daily since LAUNCH, you are hitting the nail on the head with this video, everything you are pinpointing is 100% accurate, at least 8 minutes in to the video. This is the video that Amazon SHOULD be watching so that they get a slight idea what is wrong with the game (because they clearly are completely clueless, but they are trying I guess) and why it is slowly dying, because yes this is not maintainable at all unless you enjoy spending your salary on the game every single month(which most of us don't), and even if Amazon would be happy with that it is not sustainable whatsoever. I TRULY hope that someone from Amazon gets to watch this video.

[@neotokyovid]

I have quit playing this game for 3 months and I’d say agree with every single point you made. Especially the one you say “the most expensive fish, is called “fish””. I laughed my ass off 🤣🤣🤣

[@Nejdez]

Imagine you would have to travel to each continent for each legion boss, visit the area, go to the legion raid entrance and only there could you form your raidgroup. Player masses would be there to form groups and the game would feel alive. All this sitting in a city and teleport into every content totally killed the game for me.

[@Hydr312]

The one point with "the content is already cleared" make a bit nosens for me. If I start FF14 as a new player there are 100 of guide... So your point makes no sens for a new player. If you are a hardcore veteran, sure... but the % of hardcord player is most of the time rly small.

[@Neeko2lo]

Its kind of a problem for both. Veterans can't feel accomplished when everyone has done it already and there are guides everywhere. Casuals feel forced to watch guides to even get into groups

[@Hydr312]

@@Neeko2lo thats true but this problem has many older mmo in my opinion. Sure if you are for exmaple play FF14 and your are in the high endgame and wait for the new expanions then its fresh and something new. But as a new player you will be allways to be forced watching guide if you rly care about the game :D

[@bekon11]

yep some great points. If they add some good horizontal content and fun replayability, make it easier for new and returning players to start or come back, and fix some annoyances this game can last for a long time. Will see what happens in LOA ON.

[@Blookt]

thank Asmo for 50 % of people leaving lost ark bcs he said its p2w

[@ShinmotoGaming]

Great video man. I played the game right with launch and quit after like 2 months, because stuff got repetetive in terms of just having new content for the same "rotation". It doesn't even matter what type of boss you fight, it's just another boss. So the game design - at least from my perspective - sucked from the start. I am still playing BDO since launch and besides it being a P2W Grinder it has a lot more to offer than Lost Ark, which is kinda weird to say ...

[@pozisus7712]

They should jsut remove mari's shop. it is useless. every single item is more expensive vs AH. its a pure rip off.... shame on amazonians... it supposed to help new players... which is a lie.

[@Neeko2lo]

Also a good point ^

[@wiZZelify]

I wish lost ark was a real open world with big wars against regats/territories, and gilds ..this is missing ... is missing the element of surprise in a lot of things....

[@FantazaN1]

Fresh start with no bots will be good! something like oceania Server >_

[@jacobmaloney7203]

Make LA a monthly sub game and they would have the funding to make the game great. It's alright rn. I think most of us just get FOMO rather than enjoying it to the max. Pvp main and I wanna quit the game bc it's so ignored. The stupid team scoring in a forced solo is the worst thing they could've done. Hence why all the gms don't play, if any it's very very few.

[@funkyclown2373]

they need to release the legendary skins asap and the rowen pvp. I feel like they should balance the GvG as well its unbalance theres no competition. Legion raids are getting way too repetitive...

[@NicoRobln]

Quality of Life changes are not existent on this game. Its all about spending a lot or wasting a lot of your time (which is actually even worse)

[@xbloody6962]

i played 1-2 months at the start of EU Lost ark, with 4 alts i reached like 1390 gs and gave up, because i was trying so hard and this game needs a lot of time investment. Im planning to come back, but i dont want to spend that much time into game, is it even worth? I love the gameplay, i love the raids, i love content, but i really want to log in do daily, and one time per week do some raids because they are so fun and need some skill, but is it even possible to play that way and use most of the content?

[@tsuki2516]

I left the game due to necessity of having alts. Spending 4h on alts before getting to actual play is a bs.

[@jorditaveras3627]

You forgot to mention one of the most important thing why new player are not interested in the game and why old players are living the game, toxicity, if you going into a raid and someone make a mistake they want to get out , and then you have to spend an hour waiting for someone to show up at G2 or what ever you at in jail

[@max417481]

So lost ark is the d4 waiting room?

[@Neeko2lo]

Maybe

[@senanur1983]

Think so..population will settle around 30k after d4 I think

[@Corruptlol187]

the game is a shallow daily login grinder. i put 1.8k hours into it and that was mostly on my main char cause i hate alts, i spend a total of 40€ and i managed to get 1505 3 weeks after vykas release and so did most people of my static. Pvp is one of the worst i played and if you dont pull through as a noob you will suffer for many hours until you get it, but than its too late and its dead ;) pve is boring af, the only fun you have is the first release week of the new raid and than it becomes a terrible farmfest again, that you try to fit into your daily grind.

[@1995Intervention]

Game definently has been diagnosed with cancer. Class/ raid releases are like chemo-therapy. But eventually it will die. Rip.

[@Corusame]

I wouldn't say it was dying. I mean the only thing that would definitely kill it off would be if they kept giving us generous rewards then taking them away afterwards but that would never happen right ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@fortasbendras5926]

i think the only way is, I see,they release raid which doesnt require ridiculous ilvl so that koreans and western audience could compete with each other worlds first clear like release it in all regions and the rewards could be similar to clown ,like hell valtan gear equalized so that koreans dont one shot raid ;D....

[@Lyozen2428]

The way I see it is bots are like half the problem, then the community itself is a split between toxicity and friendliness. The game relies so much on alts to make gold and every raid is teamwork focused and game mechanic oriented but the same system causes gatekeeping and toxicity in itself kinda a weird catch 22. Those that struggled and finally gotten to the point of surpassing mechanics and gatekeeping become one themselves and I dont blame them for that and this trend is forever on going. They should just make it so if a party member dies in a raid from failed mechanic that it isnt a total team wipe and the one who failed just doesnt get any rewards after raid is cleared. This will help promote those that die alot to try to learn to be better and those that know the raid wont gatekeep so much knowing time is wasted since theretically lesser and lesser total team wipe. Ofcourse this is my opinion so I'm sure many would disagree. Also last note with the way the game is designed, whats even the point of phoenix plumes? when most raids only allow very limited respawns thats shared between all 4-8 players kinda pointless if you ask me.

[@ceacaralex3994]

if new player can't get rewards, they will just quit. they need to get rewarded and get carried by exp players. that's the only way game will attract new players.

[@servetozdemir5333]

actually it's really true right now, kakul, valtan, vykas, all of these are extremely easy and it doesn't even take 1 hour to make these contents unless you make a mistake. Because it's pretty boring and dependent on rng, there aren't really good prizes to make you happy. Most of the time, we do legion raids to earn gold because the only way for someone playing as f2play to earn gold is either to deposit money or go through this way. Except for legion raids, there really isn't any good content to keep people in the game because most of the weekly content is actually garbage. Because of the rng system, we often don't get very good rewards for the time you invest in the content, we only endure for gold. Horizontal content is currently dead, you rarely see those who make it mostly islands that give silver and gold. Loa live broadcast, which will come in December this year, is important for how all games will progress. This will determine the future of na/eu. With reaper and brelsehaza, the number of players is increasing again and people want to try to complete them, but when the hype for brelsehaza ends, it will drop players again and it really takes years unless you are lucky enough to get the right honing and leveling up, which becomes annoying after a while. the game needs more daily content and the game should not be locked behind weekly content. more remarkable horizontal content is required or even legion raids become a boring farm in the long run. Right now, which people are having fun while doing Valtan Vyka, we can't get the dopamine that we got when they first came out. when they are new and they make a mistake they will start to get angry because they keep their other teammates for a long time on the content that will take 15 20 minutes. no return. people are running out. We can never enjoy the game unless we invest money to play with a character. It has a lot of problems and shortcomings. For 4 years, no one cared, even when such topics were discussed in Korea.

[@xXCrashTXx-1]

the problem with this game is that all spells are literally RNG, you can't ever hit anyone consistently with abilities in pvp so I quit

[@grimjack2490]

Thank you for this video, these things needed to be said out loud.

[@Rinma99]

Its dying for sure...every mmo dies eventualy but for lost ark that i played over 1500 hours and quited 3 months ago in my opinion will die soon game was fun for me first 500-600 hours after that i got that endless grind feeling game is just unbelievable repetable for me it just wasnt fun/rewarding to continue it feels like a waste of time after u seen most of the game...lost ark had lot to offer i enjoyed it ...still think i forced last 500-1000 hours i could spent better then on lost ark

[@ilovewater8720]

They've been saying this since launch...found the forum andy.

[@ranjnijan3446]

@@ilovewater8720 Smilegate/AGS deposited $€¥£0.01 into your account.

[@BoredAndBrowsing]

The game is gonna kill itself. There will only be a handful of players left, just look at how many new games are coming out this year, lost ark is done this year.

[@FAILLTheRevolution]

The game is dying because this is more like check list less like MMO game😞

[@zickan0826]

Every game in one way or another gets repetitive, people still do dailies on mmo games that are 10+ years old. Take diablo for example, that whole game is just spamming chaos dungeons (rift) people still play it even tho their progress resets between seasons too haha

[@edwardwongliupepelutivrusk1262]

Yeah they are not playing a game, but more of a habit.

[@martinramirez4433]

i left game cuse of connection issues just crashing every 20 mins that was np fun at all

[@Nait2006]

heroes III soundtrack god

[@abraksas14]

if they would make it into an mmo moba, with progression, i would really enjoy that.

[@The411876543]

the reason i really hate thi sgame is the lack of support and the gate keeping p2w whales i fking despite them

[@mr.q337]

Check out GW2, they solved all these problems =)))