Is Messi the Greatest Sportsman EVER?! 🤔🥇 Andy Goldstein & Darren Bent debate who the best are! 🔥

Lionel Messi made history as he lead Argentina to World Cup victory but is he now the GREATEST sportsman of all time?!
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[@petrov3190]

Messi won it all now on national level - Olympic Gold, Copa America, Finalissima and FIFA World Cup. On club level he won everything multiple times, no need to mention them. What a player, out of this world!

[@orkhanimanov1584]

Also U-20 World Cup. The same for Di Maria...

[@southpaw74]

Not on club level??? He aint come to the hardest league in world, the English prem league,, and that's because he wont cut it, he will get found out that he aint that good,,,,,

[@Sajdar85]

@@southpaw74 Messi has scored 27 goals and has 6 assists against the PL top 6 in 36 games Arsenal - 6 games, 9 goals, 1 assist Chelsea - 10 games, 3 goals, 3 assists Liverpool - 4 games, 2 goals Manchester City - 8 games, 7 goals, 2 assists Manchester United - 6 games, 4 goals Tottenham - 2 games, 2 goals Messi would rip the PL apart! So this blows your whole theory out of the water 👍

[@southpaw74]

Also till he comes to the prem and wins the league and champions league like Ronaldo did then I might change my mind untill then he aint the best

[@Sajdar85]

@@southpaw74 Funny thing is.... no one cares what you think.... and his GOAT label will not be dependant on whether you think he is the best or not All his medals and individual accolades prove he is the best

[@tha_jet_king3537]

This man has provided 15 years of consistent and constant greatness The average lifespan of the peak era of most GOATS is 1-5 years

[@peacefulhub2202]

natural abilitiy.. he is consistant since birth

[@IWannatalkpodcast]

I say 7 years. The Beatles being the best example.

[@davidlynch1263]

Like the case of Eden Hazard.

[@rohithraman6488]

The day Messi retires will be a sad day, it's been a privilege to have watched him, absolutely delighted to see him finally lift the World Cup trophy

[@liveuser8527]

See a video called "messi is a dog".. Im trying to get it to go viral. I think it sums him up better than any video or compilation

[@mikedon5205]

Agreed although the question about greatest sportsman ever is over the top many people have zero interest in football so wouldn't see him in that light

[@claudemurphy5035]

What messi doing now pele did messi had 5 tries at the wc pele won in his first,

[@buffalosowljah373]

@@claudemurphy5035 also pele maradonas georgie bests back in tha day did it on muddy bumpy pitches and hatchet men who got away with *murder*

[@rohithraman6488]

@@buffalosowljah373 Just because they did it on muddy pitches doesn't mean anything, the game has evolved, get over it

[@danielowen7086]

Messi = goals, passing, dribbling, touch, balance, vision, creativity. Soon to have more team trophies than any other player. He is without doubt the greatest footballer of all time. There has been other great players, but realistically no other player can come close to Messi. This world cup win, on top of all the other trophies now puts him into a world of his own. The 🐐 🏆

[@davidlynch1263]

His 3018 dribbles is historical no.1

[@richardboansi9394]

Until Messi won the WC, the argument was, Messi is not the best ever without the WC, now he has won it and the argument is gradually shifting for Messi being the best ever. Leo, is the real GOAT. And for Pierce Morgan I don't think he will ever do those his pointless argument between Leo and CR7 again.

[@Slim-Clips]

He’s by far the greatest player of all time in the biggest sport of them all. There’s your answer.

[@RomeDCarlo]

Pele is the GOAT of football always has been

[@buffalosowljah373]

@@RomeDCarlo whos also played on the horrid bumpy muddy amateur league pitches and was kicked to death more than they do today and got away with it ,, these days footballers have i so easy

[@jamesconnoley5752]

Why is Pele suddenly the greatest? Is it because Ronaldo is out the debate? Never heard so many people say Pele since he been ill and since Ronaldo flopped!!. He used to get pelters Pele.

[@DA-db9bi]

@@jamesconnoley5752 I agree that Messi is the greatest of all time, but a lot of people have been saying pele is the greatest since he won 3 world cups.

[@ousmanjallow7866]

Spitting

[@hartshaped]

The thing I think gets overlooked the most is just how much people compare Messi to out and out strikers and completely ignore all facets of Messi’s game that aren’t directly just sticking the ball in the net just for the sake of making the comparison Can we honestly say the players he is compared to today have the same ball control, the same awareness of their teammates, the same vision to play the ball, the same range of passing and the ability to turn 4 players inside out when surrounded, it’s like that’s never factored into the conversations

[@octaviobumble5245]

Excellently put. I have been telling people this for years

[@Tunde....Ballack]

Yeah, that's why the whole comparison with Ronaldo exists. In a sense Messi is a victim of his own goalscoring exploits. Players like Zidane, Ronaldinho, even Maradona, didn't need to score huge amounts of goals to be considered right up there, but Messi more than matches and surpasses these players depending on the aspect of the game you're looking at. But the goal scoring is what will always be looked at. Prime example was last season with PSG, where he had primarily his deepest ever position. If you ignored surface level stats, and look at stats for a midfielder, like progressive passes, progressive carries, chance creation, through ball, line breaking passes, passes into the final third and so on, he was in the 99TH percentile of all players in Europe. He got 14 assists in 26 games with Mbappe missing a lot of chances he created, BUT because his goal scoring was a measly 11, he was considered as finished. Another example that very little people realize, by May 2011, while Messi was disassembling Fergie's United, he was so good, that he was already being compared to Pele and Maradona as one of the best ever, that EVEN GARY NEVILLE, was saying it at the time, that he might be the best ever. Messi only had 196 goals and 82 assists then. Now since been compared as one of the best ever, since that match, Messi has had *_597 goals and 268 assists_* in _*11 seasons*_, counting this one as 1 full season. That is just BONKERS!!. It means since then he has averaged 78-79 goal contribution per season. _*Just think about that. He's being considered as one of the best ever, then he goes and contributes 80 goals a season for 11 straight years, and he's still being question*_. Of course this is all outside the chances created, the dribbles, the trophies and so on, and so on. GOAT!!!!

[@aviator-kn8zq]

poetry

[@nathanieltucker96]

@@Tunde....Ballackbut ronaldo didn’t become a st till juve he was a winger and occupied central areas aswell in Real Madrid

[@Tunde....Ballack]

@@nathanieltucker96 Ronaldo became a striker from his final 4 - 5 years at real madrid, but even at Real madrid in his starting years and Juve, he was a forward. Ronaldo does not like starting as a center forward, which is why his starting position is usually wide. He relies on the forward to occupy the defenders while he expertly attacks any space that opens up inside the box. So while his starting position was out wide, and he did get involved out wide, make no mistake Ronaldo perhaps had even more touches inside the box than Benzema. And without a doubt, what elevated him in that conversation was his scoring ability which mostly stemmed from well inside the box. He was never a match with Messi in the other aspects of the game, and please, don't bring up assists. Forwards that have great link-up play have the ability to rack up assists, especially if they are a high volume scorer like Ronaldo what that level of consistency, and world class link-up. You don't believe me? Scholes spent his entire LIFE in the premier league, playing from a rookie till he was a "grey" old man, and yet Peter Crouch has more premier league assists than he does. Does this make crouch a better creator or playmaker than Scholes?

[@onetwo8847]

Name another athlete who has ever had as much pressure on their shoulders to win a trophy like Messi did this world cup. As an individual athlete playing a team game, a trophy that only comes around once every four years, and having to repeat what was done by Maradona... The expectations were absurd and he's somehow managed to meet them at the age of 35. He's undeniable

[@yomo1690]

The keeper Martinez was equally if not more responsible for the World Cup win.

[@rahuljoshi439]

Sachin Tendulkar and i am not even a big cricket fan anymore...billions of people on your shoulders.

[@JR-sj1jz]

Lebron James has faced this kind of pressure from the moment he went into the NBA as a teenager. Maybe even before that. Too many sports out there to make such comparisons.

[@onetwo8847]

@@JR-sj1jz LeBron is not even a CLOSE comparison. 1. The NBA finals are literally every single year, not every four. 2. If things aren't going well you can simply move teams... Like LeBron did on multiple occasions before winning championships. You can't in international football. 3. With only 5 players per team and each player playing both ends of the court, it is far easier for an individual to dominate the team sport and therefore individual expectations are justifiably higher, it's more reasonable to expect more.

[@onetwo8847]

@@yomo1690 yeah... That is just an absurd take lol

[@atikulislam6359]

Messi is the greatest footballer of his generation. He has won everything there is to win. He is the most complete footballer in history. His performance in the 2022 Qatar world cup is one of the best in world cup history. There is no comparison with Messi.

[@hypello9534]

Dont say this man you will ronaldo fangirls cry

[@mjron1269]

Of his generation ?

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

Not of his generation, of ALL TIME. The GOAT.

[@velimasuku8808]

Tom Brady ain't in that conversation 😂😂😂

[@thobanikhanyile1994]

He's smoking pot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RuqiyaOsman-yw5pv]

Tiger woods, roger federer lebron James they all are bigger then Tom Brady in the world is just that in u.s ppl know brady coz American football playes just in u.s, even basketball, golf, boxing, they all bigger sport that american football

[@giovanniperticaro1623]

​@@RuqiyaOsman-yw5pv Gretzky? Dominated his sport more than Messi Woods, Jordan ,or any any other athlete The great one is the best ever❤😂

[@PyroGandhi]

Now that I think about it, Mbappé is probably the closest to R9 in terms of pace and being direct. Still missing some boxes in terms of ball control and lethality, but definitly the closer than the likes of Robinho etc.

[@miamitten1123]

I always thought that. Even similar build. Even though R9 is 3inches taller.

[@FatTodd]

He hasn’t primed yet, that boys gonna achieve undathomable things

[@stevemitch8320]

pre injury brazilian ronaldo is neymar and mbappe in one player. this might seems unreal but comparing mbappe to him in terms of talent is disrespectful to fenomeno. obviously mbappe will go on to achieve more injuries aside

[@broman1429]

@@miamitten1123 same height my guy

[@PyroGandhi]

@@stevemitch8320 Just strictly talking about pace, stride, and directness i think the comparison is fair. Believe me i rate ronaldos skill very high. In fact I would say neymars ball control is just a level underneath Ronaldos as i found his dribbling much more convincing, purposeful, and reactive when facing a defender.

[@aviator-kn8zq]

Even without the world Cup. He is the greatest. With the cup he cemented the title " The Greatest

[@mttrader7]

Mbappe relys on pace and power when he gets to age 27 28 he’ll start slowing down Messi is lucky to be all round player

[@Moemenmekadmini]

Stupid comment

[@anthonyluna352]

You're not wrong. Still a great player. But, take away his pace and he is just a good striker. That's it. One injury could ruin him

[@kenziesalcher4522]

very similar to cristiano Ronaldo, age and injuries can (and will) have serious effects on him and his success, unless he develops into a playmaker like Messi

[@machinefannatic99]

Like cristiano said messi is magic. I don’t think anybody in sports history ever did what messi does it’s art. God made messi personally

[@eamano8474]

It's harder to be the best at football than all those other team sports mentioned. Firstly because of the ability level required and secondly you are up against more people in the world for the honour

[@washingtonelvira5200]

Plus, you depend on 10 other people

[@christopherconstance2971]

How do you define that that. What a rubbish statement. At any one time there’s always a best player. Messi ain’t on Michael Jordan’s level, just stop.

[@eamano8474]

@@christopherconstance2971 not on michael Jordans level of what? They're 2 different sports and football is harder than basketball and more people play football so it's harder to be number one. If basketball was the biggest sport in the world there might have been someone better than jordan

[@kaneessey3839]

I love Football, but basketball and rugby are is just as tough to be the best, and they are globally sports to, and the skill set may not be at football level, however the skill set is still high in those sports.

[@eamano8474]

@@kaneessey3839 ya they are global sports but nowhere near the amount are playing them as they are football

[@tmvincent90]

What’s mad about Messi this World Cup and dominating it with mbappe is that Messi is past his Prime , that’s what’s really incredible

[@FMTyuihfdj]

This is disrespectful to other legends, just because Football is your favourite Sport and it is so popular worldwide doesn’t mean that you choose Messi over other Legends, the world is much more complex than that, playing a team sport is different to tennis where it is single pressure, I can’t imagine the pain Federer felt when he was on match point and lost to Djokovic, I can’t imagine playing a 6 hour intense tournament. Messi is the GOAT of Football, Usain Bolt for Sprints, MJ for Basketball etc, just leave it at that. People say Football is the most played Sport so the talent pool is large, that’s pathetic, every human being has probably engaged in sprinting once in their life, theres more humans that have sprinted than played Football, there are probably Americans that have never kicked a ball, if you’re going by talent pool, Usain Bolt is the greatest athlete ever of all time, the fastest human being ever recorded, if you are going by domination, has Messi really? Pele has more World Cups, Ronaldo more UCL, Michael Phelps dominated swimming with a large talent pool. Floyd Mayweather boxing, a sport which is scientifically more difficult to master than football, has a greater skillset, 50 and 0 beat the most World Champions. So please stop this crap.

[@IWannatalkpodcast]

The last 17 years have been an absolute pleasure to see him play. I think he's the greatest football player who's ever walked this planet by a distance, he's magical, he does things that don't seem possible. But I put Ali as the greatest sportsman.

[@ljunyreona9882]

Kane must be the smallest superstar in the world.

[@calm123]

Kane is no superstar lol, not even close

[@Pintkonan]

As Pep once said: The most phenomal thing about Messi is neither his talent or what he does to others, nor his vision on the pitch. Its the fact that she can do all of this every 3 or 4 days over years. This is the true menace. Not to shine occasionally, but every 3 or 4 days. I remember back in the days it was, when he said that. It was after Messi didn't score for two games in a row and a reporter tried to install a crisis.

[@stubill10]

Roger Federer has to be the greatest sportman of all time, always played with class and grace towards his opponent,a real gentleman, and I'm not a tennis fan, so no bias from me.

[@garywallace5602]

Phil Taylor, at darts. Not the most glamorous of sports. The mentality to win matches is just as intense. Dominated the sport for over 25 years.

[@hartshaped]

Mbappe is the closest thing I’ve seen to R9, however I think Darren is right, R9 on his day was something else he could turn defenders inside out

[@balerion77]

Yup, R9 was Much better with his dribbling ability I feel. Mbappe has a bright future.

[@jj-one2048]

some people say mbappe will become the greatest but he's 24, at that age messi has 2 Ballon d´or.. you think in 11 years he could win 5 or 7 and get ronaldo or messi status?? i dont think so!

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

@@jj-one2048 It's Ronaldo fans who moved over to Mbappe, bc Ronaldo's over. No way Mbappe will be the greatest.

[@dinosutra]

No Sport is as Global as Football... And in that Sport Messi is the best ever... Hence, he's the greatest sportsperson that ever existed and probably ever will... GOAT...🇦🇷🐐⚽❤️

[@hartshaped]

You definitely have to factor in that the pool on which their are footballers on earth is far greater than any other sport Let’s be real there’s probably been hundreds of millions of people that have played football, of that maybe a few hundred thousand become professional, then how many make it to play in a country with any real pedigree, then factor in how many are good enough to play in their top divisions, let alone actually win anything and yet he’s won time and again and he’s risen to the top of the sport, that’s some achievement…all the while he’s achieved this at 35 when they say players peak around 27/28

[@imimran8506]

Usain bolt is the greatest sportsman ever Yes in football messi is goat

[@FMTyuihfdj]

Agree Imran, the talent pool for sprinting is greater, most humans in the earth have raced, not every human has played football, let alone joined clubs as kids etc etc, usain bolt the fastest human ever recorded. Stop this nonsense, leave Messi in his own spotlight with Footballs GOAT, dont say hes the greatest athlete ever.

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

@@imimran8506 No. Running is definitely not as great or as hard as football.

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

@@FMTyuihfdj He is the greatest athlete. Period.

[@amacuro]

I said a long time ago that Messi is the best athlete of all time. No one has the level of talent on their sport as Messi does on football. Add to that the numbers, the trophies and the longevity.

[@nascimentoarantes]

This is pure emotion. No logic to back up claims. I love Messi but saying greatest athlete ever? What does that even mean? Let’s limit it to football and then we have a big case for him.

[@amacuro]

@@nascimentoarantes I'm not sure what more logic you need from my statement, since I spoke about numbers, trophies and longevity. I also said this was my position years ago, so its not emotion of the moment. Who would be the best athlete of all time for you then?

[@nascimentoarantes]

@@amacuro I am saying that while we all love Messi, there isn’t a clear way to compare greatness in different sports. It will be easier saying he is the best footballer or best footballer of his generation. In hockey they have Wayne Gretzky, basketball Jordan, Bolt in running, Phelps in swimming, Ali in boxing. How do we compare them?

[@amacuro]

@@nascimentoarantes sure, I hear you. I think you are right on saying that you can't compare them. The way I became convinced by this idea is by looking at Michael Jordan and realising that Messi is better at football than Jordan is at basketball, Messi is better at football than Federer is at tennis, and so on. You can disagree with that, since it's all opinion, but that is my criteria.

[@nascimentoarantes]

@@amacuro ok I hear. I think we all just love football more than other sports. There’s no wrong in your approach.

[@Mr_Death031]

Ronaldinho was right about the boy The day Kobe went to visit and talked to him Ronaldinho told him that the boy Messi would be something else The best And well, history speaks for itself The student has become the master

[@pentz1]

I still would rather watch 15 mins of Ronaldinho than 15 mins of Messi

[@MrBrightSide77]

@@pentz1 You are free to think that way. Just like some would say they would better watch 15 minutes of Zidane play than Ronaldinho, Or some would say they would watch 15 minutes of Maradona play than Zidane. We all have our views and preferences. But when it comes to the majority, Pele, Maradona and Messi are the top 3 all time greats not in a particular order.

[@ousmanjallow7866]

@@MrBrightSide77 Facts

[@EP591]

People who.dont follow.american football think Tom Brady is just your typical plumber down the street. Michael Jordan though has transcendent basketball which is why many.consider him the greatest or most influential sports figure of all time. But Messi's resume of accolades after this worldcup it's just otherworldly. I dont think even Jordan could compete with it.

[@nilszandt4378]

Brady has won seven super bowls. Insane.

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

@@nilszandt4378 Yeah, but pple have no idea who he is. I hardly knew.

[@scal5134]

Messi has graced us with sheer brilliance for 18 yrs. I’m delighted he put one over on CR7! However for me, last century’s sportsman of the Century was Mohamed Ali. That will never change, Pele was a close 2nd and for me Micheal Jordan is 3rd. Messi has done all his exploits on the field, where as the others did so much off the field/court in terms of racism, political challenges in sport and put the pay of sports stars where it is today. Messi and Maradona will never be forgotten, it’s been a pleasure watching them all the same ❤

[@gradyseasons8800]

A basketball player no3 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@scal5134]

@@gradyseasons8800 Do some homework on MJ, either the Dream Team film or one of the 1,000 highlights reels…

[@zabdi5710]

messi is a lot more influential than mj. u can't put mj here coz football is a lot more popular than basketball. plus mj is not gifted as messi. we already have people who destroyed mj's numbers.

[@BenDover-tb8ek]

Like your Penessi do you. Fifa had it all mapped out.

[@RomeDCarlo]

@Freedom For Our Sons lol and you don’t think Messi is used as a pawn? Look who owns PSG

[@chrisdee1583]

Gotta be Rocky Balboa the Italian meatball was on the canvas more than Michaelangelo.

[@mfjosh6422]

😂😂😂 bravo 👏

[@danielmilbourne880]

Football is my fav sport by far but for me it's Federer....class

[@kelvinkamau6852]

Usain Bolt & Messi are the top 2 athletes of my lifetime

[@ТоняЗаліська]

Speed in track and field for the most part has to do with fast twitch fibres and some are born with more than others. So track and field has a more genetic disposition to it. You can't "teach" speed but you can teach the techniques needed to maximize it. Football on the other hand you can teach someone so the sample size is larger

[@liveuser8527]

Then in tennis you have Djokovic, Federer and Nadal...thats like the Messi v Ronaldo debate x3 But I agree since football is probably the most played and most popular sport, you'd have to say Messi is probably the GREATEST sport star of all time

[@nc8507]

Michael Phelps is up there too

[@ТоняЗаліська]

@@nc8507 The thing is, these guys are dominant in sports that aren't as popular as football. So the sample size to measure their greatness against their contemporaries is a lot smaller compared to athletes from other sports such as football where the game is played by billions

[@FreeSpeechXtremist]

Tennis I think Federer is probably the greatest athlete of all time when Nadal came along people thought he was done dominating then Djokovic came along and he still stayed up there with them for so many years set new standards in terms of longevity and quality in tennis. And just truly the most humble and best sportsmanship I have ever seen in a top athlete I think Messi compares to him which is high praise but in my mind Federer is above the rest. And I used to hate him as a Murray and Djokovic fan but you cannot deny his class.

[@alexmanai1953]

Top 3 sportsman of all time for sure, i mean he completed football, broke alot of records and when it comes 2 raw talent he is top 3 for sure, i dont know many athletes with the same amount of talent Maybe jordan or phelps

[@Uzaair]

He is easily the best footballer of his generation. However, for me, there is no such thing as a GOAT. It's very difficult to compare players from different era's simply because of how much the game keeps on changing.

[@legniak1]

Just on consistency alone at his level makes him undeniable. Maradona in todays game would be insane. No leg breakers,shitty pitches etc…. he was amazing but not for almost 2 decades

[@nsm487]

cant believe you guys forgot ali. Sports person he wins everytime..his boxing career was like a movie. That was the boxing golden generation and the sport was well followed and he was known all over the world when social media wasnt even in existence. Mbappe is very good but nowhere near as good as r9 of barca and inter lol. We may never see another player like messi...but im sure they probably said that about maradonna and pele..and now see

[@SandymoorFerrariClub]

Messi is the best footballer, in terms of maintaining a high standard for a long time, that I've seen playing in my lifetime. Maradona and R9 had short spells at the same level, but didn't maintain it for over a decade like Messi has. Based on statistics and hearsay, Pele may have been as good as Messi or even better, but based on the compilations available of the best goals, dribbles etc. of Pele and Messi, the video evidence suggests that Messi is better. I wouldn't say that Messi is the best sportsman ever. Not even of his generation. Messi has pretty much been sharing Ballon D'Or awards and Champions League winner medals with Ronaldo for most of his career, whereas Michael Phelps won at least 4 gold medals at every single Olympic Games between 2004 and 2016, which is on a completely different planet in terms of dominance. Similar things could be said for sportsmen like Bolt, Jordan, Tendulkar, Federer at one point or another. Messi just happens to be the best at football, which is the most popular sport in the world, but if basketball or tennis were number 1 then I don't think anybody would be suggesting Messi might be the best sportsman because there are many other footballers who are only slightly behind him in terms of skills and achievement.

[@Dougie-]

Greatest footballer. Pointless to compare different sports against each other.

[@ljunyreona9882]

Na....Odel Beckham is bigger than Kane.

[@Dougie-]

@@ljunyreona9882 American football? That's the thing on TV that fills the small gaps between commercials, isn't it? :P Thanks for confirming what I wrote, pointless to compare.

[@madtitan-bringerofgenocide]

Floyd Mayweather Jr is the greatest athelete to ever live.

[@Dougie-]

​@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide Nope. Greatest (***weight) boxer maybe. But there are so many greats that it's impossible to compare. What are you comparing?

[@georgeasher2798]

Pele.Messi.Maradona.Ronaldo Brazilian.Bergkamp.

[@StillLookingForHelp]

Hard work is not important. Natural talent is. Media has massive massive messi support

[@peacefulhub2202]

best comment

[@jordanwillrog]

Can’t believe Goldstein didn’t mention Ronnie o Sullivan

[@raffaz66]

Distance between (above) your peers would give you Ronnie every time. So good, he was continually bored by the game he excelled at. It's an obscure game, so he won't be picked.

[@danadams8649]

snooker isn't a real sport 😂 how can it be a sport when its dominated by old geezers.

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

Who he?

[@juliojimenez9794]

Unlike what many people think, there are three greats in football history, all at the same level: Pelé , Maradona and Messi. The holy trinity

[@aleksandretchogoshvili2040]

I ll tell u one thing, IF SCALONE DID NOT MAKE THAT MISTAKE IN CHANGIES, THE MATCH COULD FINISH 3-0. Instead of Akunia, he had to put Dibala who can control the ball and after 75 minutes ha had to make minimum 3 changes,because Argentinians were tired. They did not let France players move 80 minutes and France had already made 4 CHANGIES and refresh the team. It was the bigges mistake of Scalone but the game became very very interesting. So thanks Scalone for it )))

[@chriser555]

I hate these comparisons. Everyone has different biases

[@jeanlaitysagne1942]

The biggest sportman EVER is ALI The Greatest

[@MrGalRoz]

Messi is the best ever in the biggest sport in the world, add to that unimaginable numbers, and also unimaginable skills, top notch sportsmanship and humility, and of course- his trophies are a testiment that he pretty much "completed" football. there is no comparison, Messi is without a doubt the greatest athlete ever. and to the few confused people- best athlete does not mean the athlete with the best physical test performance. best athlete is all of the above that i mentioned about Messi put together. honestly, some1 like Usain Bolt can not br considered the best athlete ever. he is a unique specimen of the humankind, but that's not the same "the best athlete ever". all the dude does is run straight and fast for a few seconds and that's it. it's an amazing achievement, but not comparable to the best athletes in history.

[@miamitten1123]

I don’t know Messi personality. He only speaks Spanish. That’s crown still belongs to Muhammad Ali. I don’t believe that will ever change considering the era Ali was in.

[@lalruatfeela13]

So you know Ali personally to crowned him the king??? :D

[@jasonrick6148]

@@lalruatfeela13 she slept with him

[@miamitten1123]

@@lalruatfeela13 I know the era Ali grew up and had deal with while being a boxer.

[@davidlynch1263]

Messi is the GOAT. 1003 games, 793 goals, 350 assists, 3018 dribbles. 2x World Cup Player of tournament 7x Ballon d'Or winners 3x European Championship Best Player 2x FIFA Player of tournament 6x European Golden Boot 10x LaLiga Champion 1x World Cup Champion 1x Copa AmericaChampion 4x UEFA Champions 3x UEFA Super Cup Champion 8x Supercopa de España Champion 7x Copa del Rey Champion 3x FIFA Club World Cup Champion 1x Olympic Gold Medal 1x U20 World Cup Champion 1x Laureus World Sports Awards 1x Finalissima 10x IFFHS Best player

[@ducatarina]

Pelé invented everything that Messi did, he is the original goat no one over Pelé

[@kharnage99]

A footballer simply can not be the greatest sportsperson as it is a team sport. Its impossible. Any sports person who plays an individual sport has the advantage as they have no one else to rely on, help them or support them in the middle of tthe challenge.

[@khal6400]

I see what you mean there, I'd say tennis is one of the most physically and mentally taxing sports out there. Especially to win a grand slam. Lot's of games in a short period and some games can last over 4 hours.

[@kharnage99]

@@khal6400 Agree, and the physical demand of a 5 set match on the body in on another level. Theres no where to hide or take a break. The mental strength alone eclipses anything footballers face

[@mrpk1719]

@@khal6400 if you look at a sports that is toughest interms of Physicality and mentally it has to be Boxing so either between Iron Mike tyson or Muhammad Ali.

[@tennistank7606]

Has to be one of the stupidest arguments "you have to win a world cup to be considered number 1" NO YOU DONT. If you are in a brutal team but an unbelievable player, you can only help your team so much.

[@DavidsSanity]

2:57 he plays quarterback not a physical position

[@ferrantepallas]

Erling Haaland will probably never win a World Cup ... how can you fault a guy because his national team isn't good enough?????? Messi was great before this cup, but then again Ronaldo and others are also great - I think we should enjoy diversity of style and accomplishments.

[@eliwoods5583]

Messi wears a kit for PSG with Jordan’s logo on it. Jordan also owns how own sports franchise. All off of his brilliance and global superstardom. Jordan, for me, is in his own class. But Messi is just behind him.

[@jjuukoaulaprince2928]

He didn’t build his jordon logos why playing Dat is just da business side of it we talking playing on da pitch or court by far messsi is World football cup not American basketball cups won everything in dis world 🌎

[@MrBrightSide77]

Jordon is far behind Pele. Pele was the first global superstar of any sport.

[@eliwoods5583]

@@MrBrightSide77 Yes he was the first, but Jordan is a global superstar and everyone knows who he is. Everyone wants his shoes, wears kits with his logo. You can't say he's nowhere near Pele when he clearly is. Look up what Jordan memorabilia goes for at auction compared to Pele. You can say all these metrics mean nothing, but then how would you judge it? The number of fans worldwide? Cus I guarantee Jordan has just as many fans worldwide as Pele.

[@MrBrightSide77]

@@eliwoods5583 I will tell you a fact. I grew up during the 80s and 90s in Nepal. In grade 9 in school we had a chapter on "Life of Pele". It was a school curriculum. Brazil and Nepal are on the other side of the planet and most Brazilians may not have even heard of Nepal and there we were studying about Pele in school. People didn't even have TV during that time, there used to be 1 TV in a rich person's house in the whole locality and none of us have ever seen Pele play since he retired in the 70s. But the stories we used to hear and talk about him were like a mythical figure. If you go to remote parts of Nepal up in the Himalayas and ask who Pele, Maradona or Messi is, they will say yes. But none of them will know who Michael Jordon is or Floyd Mayweather is, or who Usian Bolt is. That is why Football is a true global sport and sportsperson like Pele, Maradona and Messi have inspired and entertained people from every part of the world, from every generation.

[@elizabethcsicsery-ronay1633]

Ridiculous American. Franchises and logos and the business isn't what makes a sportsman the best, you fool. That's such an American opinion. The world laughs at it, believe you me.

[@bossman4401]

Michael Jordan is the greatest sports person ever. His influence on sports is unmatched. Basketball is not popular in the Uk, but is very popular all over the world. Same as Football/soccer is not popular in the USA in comparison to the top 3 sports there.

[@liveuser8527]

"the greatest sportstar of all time" is kind of a stupid debate because how do you JUDGE from one sport to the next?...for instance...is a 9.62 second 100m sprint the same as 91 goals a season?or better?..or worse?....how do you JUDGE what is more impossible or Impressive?.......by what metric can you compare 2 entirely different sports?

[@wonjubhoy]

For me Muhammad Ali is the greatest ever sportsman. Lionel Messi is the greatest footballer since Pele.

[@leehargreaves7473]

Watching Messi has given me such pleasure over the years that I was happy to see him win the World Cup. He was, in my opinion, the greatest footballer ever (Greatest Sportsman Ever?? That can never be answered). Let me explain..... Cristiano Ronaldo does things in football that I can do ......but he does them a million times better. Messi does things in football that I would never even think of doing. He's wired differently. He sees things in slow-motion. Just watch what he did to Arsenal in their Champions League games, he just took them apart.

[@damianduguid6253]

mohammed ali IS the greatest sportsman of all time

[@desmondachocky537]

I would put mayweather in there.The guy never lost a single boxing bout.Ali did lose several fights.

[@andresmcjr]

@@desmondachocky537 if you know boxing then u wouldn't even have Mayweather in ur top 3 ATG jokeman mumguia hasn't ever lost a fight wanna put him on herr aswell?

[@andresmcjr]

Ali was a pos human you were all lied toooooo🤣🤣

[@desmondachocky537]

@@andresmcjr Mayweather is just in a different category globally n he has faced the very best in his category.

[@damianduguid6253]

@@desmondachocky537 Ali has transcended time and boxing. Money mayweather hasn't. Ali is known throughout the world even now and for good reason. He is the GOAT

[@garywallace5602]

Djokovic, is the greatest sportsman ever. He'll soon overtake pensioner Nadal. Michael Jordan? Not even a sport. Office paper throwing into the bin! Men's netball!

[@1STMAN]

Mbappe scored against Argentina, Poland, Tunisia, Australia and Denmark, all with backlines built in the A-league or Championship. (Failed to score against England and Morocco - Hakimi and Walker) All bang average teams who wouldn't be at the world cup if qualifying wasn't regional. Italy for example would qualify effortlessly playing Oceanic teams or Middle Eastern teams. Argentina have a 34 yr old Otamendi at CB alongside Romero who's good but doesn't play CL. I think the world cup is a very low standard these days and if you're the pen taker or in a good side you can really stat pad. Ie the Poland game and Argentina game. For 90% of the game Mbappe was sulking and giving the ball away, then of course the other 10 players are good enough to swing the game in his favour and get him involved. So for me he's extremely talented, unplayable at his best, but as a Man City fan he's failed to turn up against us 4 years running so I'm not blown away by a few goals in Uber Eats and 7 open play goals against europa league (if not worse) defences

[@lewisp3954]

Going to PSG saved Messi,s career he had to up his game because he was struggling ,he has to be The GOAT.

[@Nightsu]

tom brady 45 years old who has to run less than 1km every game with 10 minute ad breaks and all he has to do is throw a ball accurately. not even better than phelps, jordan, bolt etc

[@lalruatfeela13]

But Brady did have many WORLD series title :D

[@Nightsu]

@@lalruatfeela13 the world series thats only played by america. embarrassing.

[@pepelopez9595]

They must create official rules in football to not compare anyone to messi-cristiano : )

[@gastonlanteri1147]

Basquetball is popular in the US. So 350 million people play it? Half of those are men, so Michael Jordan is the best among 175 million men. By the same metric, 7500 billiom people play football. Half of those are men. Messi is the GOAT among 3750 billion people. Messi is the Greatest Of All Times, of all sports. Period.

[@elgreco502]

The referees made it a disgrace. Argentina won it before it even started. VAR no existent. Enough of this trash.

[@aks8285]

Yes and the level of media and people praise makes me feel our world is going in wrong side

[@MrBrightSide77]

For Tom Brady argument. There are so many other sports played in other parts of the world that people from Europe or US have never seen or heard of. And there are players in those sports who absolutely reigned supreme for decades. Can they put forward a case for those players to be considered the Greatest Sportsperson ever? The greatest sportsperson has to be from a sport that is global and most countries participate. American football does not even have a nation's tournament or competition. It's a club competition!

[@Catholic-Christian]

1. Muhammad Ali 2. Pelé 3. Michael Jordan

[@jasonrick6148]

This is your brain American news propaganda

[@calm123]

Replace Pele with Messi and I agree, Ali, Michael Jordan and Messi are kings of Sports

[@Catholic-Christian]

@@calm123 Pele is still the greatest footballer of all time. Goatness' is about having accomplishments in *abundance,* not *barely* winning a copa america and world cup.

[@calm123]

@@Catholic-Christian Pele hasnt won Copa America?? Or CL has he?

[@Catholic-Christian]

@@calm123 He only played in one edition of the Copa America and was top scorer and MVP aged 18 years. In terms of UCL Pele won the south american equivalent 2 out of 3 times and scored 17 goals in 15 games. Better statistics than even Messi. He also beat the CL reigning Champions Benfica and Milan scoring 7 goals in 3 games.

[@felixotuoke5419]

The greatest won the world come thrice in his prime and not in twilight. Winning the world yesterday can only bring one into the club of world cup winners. However, we saw the birth of a king and GOAT in the footsteps of Pele’, graced with the prowess of eight goals and a hat-trick in the speed/pace of light.

[@nascimentoarantes]

Mbappe won a World Cup in 2018 not sure about birth of a king. Secondly we can rightly say Messi is the greatest of his generation without bringing Pele. Most people have not seen Pele play as he retired nearly 5 decades ago.

[@lindilebangose7667]

"That's like blasphemy now" 🤣MJ is the most iconic sportsman the world has ever seen.

[@MrBrightSide77]

Greatest, Most iconic, Best ever, Are all subjective. Most people are biased towards the sport they love. A cricket fan will tell you Sachin Tendulkar is the best sportsperson ever while Americans and many Europeans may not know what Cricket is. Just like the guy in the video brought up Tom Brady who is literally unknown in Asia, Africa and many parts of Europe. Michael Jordon however does have a case as does Muhammad Ali, Usian Bolt, Pele, Maradona, Messi, Roger Federer, Michael Phelps and many more.

[@ststeve5212]

The best athlete of all time has to come from an individual sport I’m sorry. I hate to admit that as much as I love football. You can’t have a team sport person winning the best athlete over individual sport men like Djokovic, Nadal, Khabib, Jordan, Bolt, Brady etc, despite the popularity of football.

[@Yash-vh3ns]

In would say otherwise, in my opinion it is much more difficult to build your stature in team sports than individual ones, and even more difficult to maintain that for years,to be on top consistently for almost two decades, where most footballers loose their charm after a certain time.

[@geezee9208]

Ahhh what? Jordan and Brady play/played team sport.

[@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860]

The only other sportman with such level of performance across his entire career in any sport, is Rocky Marciano. As amazing as MJ was, his overall performance is much closer to CR7, wich again, huge merits in both directions, i trully believe CR7 is the MJ of football. The problem is it never was a Messi of basketball, thats how dominant he was, and still is. The best ones of every other sport, are comparable only to the second best in football. For a Messi to appear in basketball, imagine a reborn muggsy, but including the shooting skills of Stephen curry, and the field awareness of Ginobilli. In case you don't believe me, in one season, he alone scored more goals than entire WINNING TEAMS, rivals fighting for the league or championship. That would give you a scope of how good he trully is.

[@calm123]

Rubbish, MJ won every single personal award, even was best defensive player twice,, best scorer, olympics, college everywhere and at every single level, clutch and never lost finals

[@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860]

@@calm123 Similarly to CR7, let me remind you he won the Balon D'or 5 times, the next record holder won it 3 times, that's no small achievment. If Messi didn't exist, he would be the GOAT by far. But to recreate the stadistics and achievments of Messi in the NBA you would need to combine multiple players, beginning with Bill Russel, and thats not even talking about his sport talent, just pure achievments. Messi did it in the most competitive era of the sport, when the training methods are so advance that they can reduce the breach in talent (ie Morocco reached the semifinals in the World Cup). Imagine a player born in this era, doing what Bill did back then. That's who Messi is.

[@marvinmoeller3170]

Why are we always talking about goals with Messi? Heard nobody said Modric is bad because he only scored 5 goals a season. Messi has it all and now he is more of a playmaker, he play passes nobody can do so frequently, he is the best dribbler ever, he will become the greatest goalscorer ever and he is not even a striker, he will not become the best defender ever but. He is the best in everything attacking wise and when you can't agree with that look at his statics. Guy scored 92 goals in a year and that are only the goals.... Also it's unfair to talk so much about national teams. The France b team is probably still the best quality wise. Haaland is not a bad striker because Norway is not qualified it's still a team sport and Messi always played more back in Argentina, because the lack of creativity in the midfield so he obviously scored less

[@BluesFanUK_]

No one has been as dominant in their respective sports as Messi has been in football.

[@mattattalah5430]

Bolt

[@87Michael]

Michael Jordan says hi…

[@kizito8888]

With a little help along the way, yes. No one. To say that no one has managed to is a disrespect to the other players that pushed him. One is hated by many, including FIFA.

[@calm123]

Michael Jordan won everything, even best offensive and defensive player

[@danp5478]

Tandulkar

[@user-pg7rn6vb2y]

Muhammad Ali is. Not just for sports but the things he stood up for outside the ring

[@Boxinghotspur57]

@@GIBBO4182 Ali was proven correct lmao

[@bossguyo6424]

@@GIBBO4182 true not killing innocent poor people

[@TheAHNJJ]

@@GIBBO4182 yes it's one of the greatest thing he have done

[@bossguyo6424]

@@GIBBO4182 you goofy they not kissing each other they was fighting each other you will anything in that sport

[@Boxinghotspur57]

@@GIBBO4182 yeah he took it to far calling Frazier an uncle tom and more. However he was a great man and his boxing legacy is phenomenal

[@pc2921]

ALI, WOODS, JORDAN, BRADY, FEDERER, MESSI . that’s the Mount Rushmore of sport

[@paulf1113]

Manny Pacquiao

[@Kiwi2211]

Bradman

[@SmaverMitchell]

Bolt??

[@anul6801]

Ali LOL.

[@Yash-vh3ns]

I would just remove woods and Michael Phelps to that.

[@jacksonscheumann1993]

The only issue with R9 is his Champions League record. He didn’t do enough in that tournament to be in the goat discussion for me. It’s every year and shows a certain level of consistency.

[@claudiumiron3726]

The little one????🤣🤣 Come on, mate!¡😂❤

[@lonestarlondoner]

Messi is the greatest player of his generation. Messi is the master but Maradona is the genius.

[@apiro123]

So comparing messi to Ali now?

[@richuk69]

There's some dude called Muhammad Ali that may have a shout

[@CG-zi5ku]

No one, absolutely no one comes even close to Muhammad Ali when it comes to sports greatness.

[@FatTodd]

If Messi had a bit of charisma he could have reached them heights but he just cares about football and family. Fair enough

[@Guyfaulkes1605]

You say that but how many times did Ali get beat ?

[@calm123]

@@Guyfaulkes1605 and Messi got beat too did he not

[@TheZumph]

Henry cooper spanked him

[@markwilson4309]

Not the best boxer and potentially not the best heavyweight

[@veckgames]

I don't think he's even the most widely recognized pop culture icon in his own sport in his own era. To put him in the same ring with guys like Michael Jordan and Pele as far as being a pop culture icon goes is to set him up for failure.

[@add799]

Bro...messi made football more popular. Everybody knows him. If u say pele some non football fans might not recognise him cause he retired long ago and not enough coverage of his playing days

[@marcusbennett93]

Ali and Bolt for me are the two greatest athletes.

[@nicholashunt9522]

@@paultaylor9498 that just shows your complete lack of any brain cells.

[@lukewillmott7875]

@@paultaylor9498 tbf you cant underappreciate the work that goes into those "10 seconds"

[@kelvinkamau6852]

@@paultaylor9498 Proper casual take, he dominated his sport like no other has ever dominated there's and anyone can run, he was the best at it

[@guitarreilly]

running isn't a sport

[@guitarreilly]

@@paultaylor9498 glad we agree. In my opinion a sport has to have a degree of physical activity but also has an opponent/opponents who can stop you trying to do what you can do.

[@adamp6401]

Winning a WC isn’t the criteria for best player surely? What if they happened to be Australian or something?

[@sulaak]

Pele was the GOAT three WCs , the first at the age of 16.

[@CA213FAN]

FOOTBALL WAS ACTUALLY INVENTED IN 1990 ACCORDING TO THE ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA.

[@leepatrick9432]

He was 17

[@hypello9534]

Liar

[@shaan_Finland]

football is all ver the world for general people, but if you go to specific sports like boxing or tennis than the ratio popularity will come down to half cause not everybody watches those games but football majority in the world follow by general people..

[@jegi7971]

People mistakenly think that soccer is the most competitive team sport but actually it is not but it is the most popular though. America is the biggest sports market in the world. The NBA is like taking all the best soccer teams from Europe and around the world and put them in one market and let them compete, so actually an NBA champion is actually a world champion.Furthermore an NBA final is more competitive than a soccer World Cup final because all the teams are based in one country with all the resources that money can buy unlike in soccer where you have so many countries involved with less than desirable levels of funding and investment. The NBA is the ultimate concentration of talent, talent is not spread across like in soccer, so if you’re tall, strong, skilful etc there’s only one destination for you no matter what part of the world you come from. The following things make the NBA more competitive than soccer:(1)the smallest NBA market has a budget that can’t be compared to the smallest soccer team in European Champions League or the smallest country in the World Cup.(2)America being the most advanced country in the world has the best infrastructure, logistics etc which can’t be compared to the soccer World Cup where you have very poor countries with small budgets that which constrains a lot of things like access to the best coaches etc (3) The NBA is like a World Cup competition with over 28 teams or the European Champions League but better because anyone from anywhere in the world who’s the best is in the same sports market (biggest in the world). So it is like having Christiano Ronaldo, Messi, Lewandoski, Mbape, etc in the same market (4) An NBA championship team has to sweep (win 5) or win (7), this format gives the other team(losing) all the opportunities in the world to comeback and get a win in the next match, so an NBA champion team is a well and truly tested team unlike in soccer where it is only one match, I wish it was the best of three matches (series). Can you imagine France vs Argentina in a three match series. (5) An NBA champion has to win a conference final which has a series of matches, to me this is like soccer’s Champions League or a World Cup Champion. There could be more reasons but those are the main reasons.

[@alongtheriver745]

Nba is never as competitve as european soccer. And Nba is just a leabgue of usa. Soccer market is bigger than any other sport and is about 43% of the entire markets of all sports. And soccers number of players is the largest in all sports and comes from all around world. In addition to it soccer is the most popular. So soccer is the most competitive.

[@paddypoolfc3579]

Darren is great craic. Doesn't hmm or haa. Says what's he thinks and knows what's hes saying and sticks to it. Fair play.

[@miyazakizachary5108]

Mbappe is the best forward but just it. If you don't feed him good, he won't be the best. But Messi is in different level (play maker, forward, midfield, etc). Messi and Maradona are at the top that nobody could reach to their level for the time being since 100 years.

[@rashedalmandoos3371]

Messi is the best athlete in terms of talent, hard work, overcoming adversity and achievements. GOAT

[@babarossi367]

Nonsense. What about Muhammed Ali? Heard of him?

[@ferrantepallas]

The current-day game is much higher scoring, that should be kept in mind.

[@luisromero2807]

Why is Tom Brady being mentioned in this conversation 😂

[@u2verparacreer743]

Yes. Messi has THE MOST AMAZING career with the most dificultys and he GOT into our hearts ❤️ Thats beyond sports.

[@ferozhossen5497]

No one can reach the leo messi level, he is an art, no one never ever had popular than messi, he is the greatest player of the all sportsperson

[@mattswinnerton9892]

Hard to quantify who the best ever athlete is. For me I’d say Floyd Mayweather 20 years unbeaten in multiple weight classes fought the most world champions and almost never even got hit. But there’s so many you could make an argument for and Messi is probably up there with the likes of Jordan, bolt, phelps, Brady etc.

[@tmvincent90]

R9 was one of my hero’s but he never won European cup

[@YerDaEatsCrayons10]

Messi, Tendulkar, Ali, Bolt, Jordan, Nadal/Federer Mount rushmore

[@tvgcmma9215]

So many names that people mention are sports played by a fraction of the people - football is played by hundreds of million more people than any other sport bar running so to he the best ever at football is far more of an achievement than American foootbal basketball golf snooker etc

[@scottjames1794]

For me it's between michael jordan and kobe bryant they were crazy good then you add in there longevity at the top especially with having to play 80+ games a season.

[@lalruatfeela13]

Basketball is bigger than football..... Say more!!!

[@guitarreilly]

basketball is nowhere near football in terms of ability. All you have to do is be tall as f@ck and you can make it as a pro

[@markwilson4309]

No LeBron 😮

[@nascimentoarantes]

Weak argument. Jordan is the Goat of basketball not any other sports. Kobe is debatable as you already mentioned Jordan. Can they both swim like Phelps? Run like bolt? Dribble like Messi? Punch like Ali?

[@gradyseasons8800]

Basketball is shite! You can’t compare any basketball player to someone who plays a real sport like football.

[@t10ham-burgaz14]

In this world cup ref gives Messi and Argentina a heads up at the start of every game with a penalty, and that's not respected by me and many millions more...

[@kaneessey3839]

Messi a protected species, he is not the greatest in football let alone greatest sportsman ever.

[@t10ham-burgaz14]

I think all Messi supporters and trumps are all the same people I swear. Smfh. Bias, crooked, cold and heartless af..

[@hypello9534]

🤫🍼

[@buffalosowljah373]

@@kaneessey3839 yeah protected by uefa.. once he ritires.. im sure ballon dor will be scrapped

[@t10ham-burgaz14]

@@hypello9534 never ever will be the greatest what so the goat... get three or two world cup to be the second best either way.. pessi is a mess but media's boyfriend...