Is Milei’s Radical Plan to Save Argentina Working?

[@RichardKing-sx6xc]

A Decade???? Lady, the Argentine Economy has been a basket case for *MANY DECADE!!!*

[@franciscocosentino4228]

Our decadence started 70/80 years ago. We are the last western fascist economy remaining.

[@carlosazpurua6231]

The mid to late 2000 Latin America had a raw resource boom.

[@BIoknight000]

The narrator said Decades, plural.

[@tadeus6559]

More like a century than dacades....

[@eduardol.248]

40 millones de personas en pobreza aguda para 2000 nababos

[@el_larva]

People and media do not understand what shot term means. They think is weeks or months, actually it is years

[@tumama-hr5gh]

No, its minimum 10 years.

[@the3idiots14]

Short term is up to a few years in current retrospective. So anything in between is short term. But people always complain. Especially here in America. If it’s not fixed within a year or presidential term it’s not working instead of judging in retrospect in 10 years.

[@TheBooban]

@@the3idiots14 It's not so bad having term limits, because, you know, the flip side of that is dictatorship. A President has to show things are improving in 4 years. Then after that, he doesn't have to care about being re elected and can finish the long term plans and take the hard decisions in the second term. But you guys kept voting for the same policies from both left and right until Mr. T showed up.

[@silaakkidumma]

becoz only failed countries think embracing capitalism without any true reform gonna lead only to revolution later...and yes in years...read Bangladesh...without reforming the systems, checks and balances on politicians, courts, police etc, capitalism will just make rich more richer and poor more poorer. This is just revolution waiting to happen from poor...read about Brazil too fyi same story gonna happen...bolsonaro there and this guy here

[@Nswix]

Especially in Argentina, which has been on a downward slide for the better part of a century. Its not going to get fixed overnight.

[@g.peters244]

It took Poland many years and even more painful reforms to emerge from an even worse crisis. We succeeded but to this day many people have bad memories of that time (80-90's). Argentina - I don't know what's going to happen but you need to finally get back on your feet.

[@TheBooban]

Eh, what? You guys were stuck in communism for 50 years. Everything after was better and you had the EU that helped you out. But yeah, starting from the bottom is best, if you don't spend anything, the corrupt politicians can't steal anything.

[@puertousbmonkey]

investment and work is the only solution to poverty. Since Milei aprobed " ley bases" more than 40 billion have been invested. Investments take years to show results on population income. Milei is clearing the path to local and foreign investment, meaning no inflation, reducing public spending , no money printing, etc

[@ssuwandi3240]

Argentina is more of an open economy than Poland before joining the EU

[@Harious1984]

Poland is also a Communism victim like Argentina

[@Commissar_4735]

it took poland tons of EU money to "succeed" its 245 billions euros from the EU budget since 2004

[@member529]

why did this video seem to conclude that "whether he gets reelected" determines if it paid off? that's NOT the measure, the video didnt mention any real details about how the economy is doing or what teh signs of it improving would be

[@joacogrimoldi8621]

That's because they wanted to spend more time interviewing rioters and people who live off government plans.

[@yashpatil4679]

yea this video was trash honestly

[@alexgamble4718]

That's a bit unfair. The #1 priority is to reduce inflation, that is the entire point of reducing unsustainable gov spending. The video showed a graph that shows inflation is reducing.

[@puertousbmonkey]

investment and work is the only solution to poverty. Since Milei aprobed " ley bases" more than 40 billion have been invested. Investments take years to show results on population

[@kheldaryt]

@@alexgamble4718 agree the graph basically showed ya phase 1 is working... issue with the vid is they just gloss over it with little analysis and concluded "shoulder shrug" who knows we'll see at next elections......... which I agree with OP is not a reliable measure of if it's working or not... it could be a reliable measure of if the people are buying that it's working but video didn't clarify.

[@Flodar_Eltih]

I was expecting to see some data in the video. All i get is talk talk talk and one graph and then talk talk talk talk again. Disappointed.

[@lt8833]

Inflation is low, unhappy?

[@Mayalovestosleep]

@@lt8833 inflation is low but gdp growth is low too

[@tcial_news]

Some real data of inflation since Milei took office (per month, not annually!): Dec 45%, Jan 20%, Feb 13%, March 11%, April 8.8%, May 4.2%, June 4.6 %, July 4%. Thanks to the reforms and deregulation of the economy, investments have already begun to come, some sectors of the economy have already been reactivated and some salaries are already rising (the country is still in recession, but we are since 2011). Poverty has also been increasing since 2011 and the trend has not yet reversed. Ah!!! Also Something that is not mentioned in the video, but that contributes to the fact that many people continue to support him, is that Milei is fighting corruption so hard, although for now he is only hunting medium and small fish.... I think he still does not have enough power to the big fish. Maybe after the legislative elections next year...

[@Ftroll]

@@tcial_news All this is done for the corruption of big fish and there is no need to build castles in the air for yourself...

[@fernandusbergnianuscarpinc7284]

@@tcial_news wasn't december 25%?

[@Martin-dz7gy]

Why does coverage about melee seems to forget to mention that he was an economist with 20 years of experience. He is not some random dude with fiery speeches about the economy

[@rannickcauthon1821]

And he is not right wing… he is just a libertarian

[@foolshavewings]

​@@rannickcauthon1821 he have similar political wings with trump. Argento-Venezolano here.

[@duca8063]

@@rannickcauthon1821a libertarian would be by default pro abortion, he is not

[@PaulS-q9c]

​@@foolshavewings he has almost nothing in common with Trump. Their views of the economy and the world are opposed

[@PaulS-q9c]

​@@rannickcauthon1821libertarian is arguably a kind of right-wing. But he's nevertheless right-wing, he holds quite a few non-libertarian views

[@watermelon638]

Terrible video .. no information just clickbait words… unprofessional coming from BLOOMBERG.

[@mamanitubea]

They call a fiscal adjustment a "radical" plan to eradicate hyperinflation???? They clearly hire people without even an Economics 101 course

[@meijiishin5650]

Pop quiz to see if you actually watched the video: What did they say about current inflation levels in Argentina?

[@Vortex__24]

​@@meijiishin5650 Less than 5%

[@juq15]

j3ws

[@WladylawGomulka]

maybe you just dont understand those words hm?

[@ingusmant]

This video is the kind of shoddy quality political commentary I would expect from buzzfeed, not from Bloomberg, which is a financial news company.

[@mariapardo4860]

I agree

[@cesarsfalcao]

What do you think financial media do? They create bias

[@davidp.7620]

Every platform becomes Buzzfeed once they encounter something they like or hate enough.

[@dotmarceo]

Too much reality for you. It's not a fairy tale.

[@traviscutler9912]

I don't know, it seems like it fits the political agenda of austerity and privatization that Bloomberg specifically pushes. So if they can't prove it because it's not actually happening then they just talk about what they think is important because they know their agenda is unpopular with most people

[@nerina1741]

People who say, 'We used to pay $120 for a bus ticket, and now we pay $700,' are usually from Buenos Aires. In the rest of the country, we've always paid more for buses and other services like gas and electricity, so we don't really care about their opinions on Milei. They've always had subsidized services. Give him time and we'll see if he is a solution or another part of the problem.

[@gehtsienixan4442]

based woman

[@PentangleYT]

Your comment should be pinned

[@ThriftyCHNR]

Argentina has had so many of these type of guys, and their records are poor. The more "macho" and promising he is, usually means worse for Argentina!

[@dragooll2023]

@@ThriftyCHNR example?

[@Nabrolo]

​@@ThriftyCHNR Personality wise sure, but economic wise? Not really.

[@Galatea20]

In December 2023, inflation rose to 25%. In October 2024, it fell to 2.7%. They said he wouldn't make it. It's amazing.

[@IsraelGodsImmovableRock]

So in december 2023 last year Argentinas inflation ross to 25%. But 10 months later Argentinas inflation fell to 2.7%. They said he wouldn't make it? Ok so Americas Inflation is now 28% lets see it after 10 months within Trumps 1st Year and 2nd year. I trust Trump I voted for that stable genious 3 times. Oh i see his vision for our people. Im studying our economy. We can't go back. Keep praying for our beloved President and Us his people we love him and all our people.

[@moj1338]

You should read up on how he did it and at what cost. It is not this simple.

[@willcowan7678]

"Low and middle classes houses had to pay 5% for the actual cost of electricity, but now have to pay 20-30% of the real cost of that electricity" Don't you mean, they paid 5% but pay the other 95% through inflation or taxes??

[@PentangleYT]

Add unemployment to that list.

[@PaulS-q9c]

They didn't no. Low income households enjoyed paying subsidised bills, but they (of course) pay a very low percentage of total taxes.

[@gehtsienixan4442]

@@PaulS-q9c So they dont care about inflation? Maybe no taxes, but they will pay the one way or the other.

[@alexgamble4718]

Exactly right, they have paid indirectly. Also, when you have distortions in the economy like reducing the price signal through subsidy, you have more inefficient use of resources.

[@rotors_taker_0h]

They paid remaining 95% by always staying poor because of that garbage deal, yeah.

[@TriumvirSajaki]

Milei: fixing the economy is going to require some pain before it gets better, we know this ahead of time *Pain happens Everyone:

[@dogzer]

Because Argentina needs years of actual investment. Too long Argentina just created debt for a little respite, when money is gone it's even worse; then more debt for another respite, until money runs out again. ONLY real industry and commerce is sustainable. That is IMPOSSIBLE with triple or quadruple digits inflation. And make no mistake, other countries are falling down the same spiral, even if they're doing it a little slower.

[@levelzanimations]

no, Argentina is actually doomed to be a 3rd world country

[@TheBooban]

@@dogzer Probably most of the money for investments projects were just STOLEN! This happens all the time and is the kind of investment, you don't want.

[@Mordekuiser]

That is not the problem he cut all funding for social programs making his population miserable to balance the bufget ....

[@Neojhun]

Wow you are easily fooled. Milei just scammed everyone into enacting flawed policies which will have little benefit. Him front loading that it will hurt is just to make the masses expect the consequences of his agenda long enough for him to gain power. Then when people realize its not going to be better, it's too late he's already too established. This is a glorious scam.

[@info781]

Why is balancing a budget and paying the bills radical?

[@everest9994]

Because hes throwing the people in his country into poverty and death for it.

[@HuckleberryHim]

The reforms Milei instituted, and the ones he still plans to, are unbelievably radical by any measure in global terms. Even he admits this. A "severe shock" is required to "shake the system back into health". This is a formula as old as the Chicago Boys in 70's, but somehow geniuses like yourself still don't understand it. It isn't about "fixing" the economy, it's about making rich people richer, same as it's always been. Clueless.

[@miguel5785]

Because he is cutting spending without trying to cushion the poorest even the smallest bit. Sure the state will go out of the red, but in the long term who knows the social costs of these policies? Poverty affects health and productivity.

[@theresnothingness]

@@miguel5785 He's cutting spending so that they can pivot to other economic models of development. Most probably they will resort back to greater public investments in social sector once the hyperinflation settles down.

[@TexYMatt98]

@@miguel5785 security and social plans for the poor wasn't cut tho, those were the sole ones that Milei point out to be different because touching them would burden the people who were already at their limit.

[@GuidoAmbar]

Milei popularity is still above 50%, not because of anger, but because of HOPE.

[@rip5905]

corporate propaganda*

[@JCPD-xk6ks]

@@rip5905 nearly all of media, which are financed by big corps, are against Milei. huh, que raro no?.

[@crusaderchess]

@@rip5905 from which corporations? big tech are left wing

[@petermelang6695]

@@crusaderchess Keep telling that to yourself. Left-wing is more than cultural topics. Do you know one corporation that supports Bernie Sanders?

[@harutosunaa3881]

@@crusaderchess “Left wing” lol, big tech is far right and supports the same economic policy as Milei

[@theApeShow]

"Gamble"? More like "the return to economic fundamentals".

[@highvoltagee]

This video bias is shocking

[@amosbatto3051]

All markets are human-created institutions, from the money supply, to the rules of exchange and the subsidies. Once you realize how artificial markets are, you stop worshiping them, and start asking what is their purpose and who should they benefit.

[@JoinTheTemple]

⁠@@amosbatto3051- of course they are human created. That’s obvious. We are humans. Pretty much everything we do is human created by default. As to what is their purpose and who should benefit? The answers are simple. They are there to allow people to trade - for some to buy the things they want and need, and others to sell what they have to offer. And both parties of any trade should benefit in a win-win transaction. The buyer gets the thing they want and the seller gets the thing they want. Easy.

[@ВладиславВладислав-и4ю]

Lefties

[@HybridHumaan]

Why are they not looking at china and its decades of record breaking economic growth? Economic basics much?

[@TheFloatingSheep]

When your house is on fire, and you call the firefighters, you can't yell at them for getting your house wet. Argentina's getting wet right now, and it ain't pleasant but it's better than burning alive, and once the fire's out, it can rebuild.

[@0zoneTherapyCures]

Unfettered capitalism is like a fire out of control. That's why 50 years of deregulation has destroyed the middle class.

[@jamshiddilmurodov4925]

A beautiful analogy there.

[@ovariantrolley2327]

9 minutes to describe a complex economic question posed in the vid title and after 2 minutes u decide to spend 2 mins showing randoms and anecdote. Please go away

[@dotmarceo]

What a b.s. comment. Milei is bad news. He's a showman.

[@Queenmaster1976]

@@dotmarceo yeap, sure, here you have, this is the brain you dropped

[@asmith4981]

capitalism and balanced budgets are not radical

[@me67galaxylife]

To commies it is radical

[@Pixelarter]

Cutting public spending and subsidies abruptly, from public transport to education, devaluing the currency by more than 50% overnight and destroying it's value by announcing that it will be replaced by foreign currencies, launching millions of citizens into poverty in a span of months, with the consequence of severely halting the economic activity, in a very risky manner that can totally destroy Argentina in case it doesn't work, it's undeniably radical.

[@emperorpicard4901]

​@@Pixelarter None of this is economically risky, its exactly what needed to happen. Where is the risk? The real risk is in staying the course before all this started. Its risky NOT to privatise public services. Its risky NOT to allow competition in a currency market. Its risky to continue subsidizing the poor. Its risky to continue with the bad investment in economic activity (not all economic activity is the same, most of Argentina was bad and needed to be halted) Argentina was already on a path to destruction. So I ask again, where is the risk?

[@dotmarceo]

We'll see when a revolution by the people happens five years from now. Commoners suffer while foreign investors get all the breaks.

[@MugBubule]

@@emperorpicard4901 You know, there's something else in life than economy. If you throw millions of people in poverty or worse, that they have nothing to lose anymore, lot of these people won't think "oh, things were already doing bad, and it may be better in the future". They just riot and burn down the country. It's radical because it does the change that "needs" to be done, whatever the cost. It's risky to do radical changes rather than progressive.

[@fernandopiazentin3350]

Yeah...the only thing I know is the number of UBER drivers from Argentina working in Brazil is increasing.

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Jeez ! If you have to move to Brazil for a better life then things MUST be bad...?!!!

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Jeez !! If you have to move to Brazil for a better Life then things must be REALLY bad..!!!

[@Joso997]

If it works it is going to inspire other countries to elect revolutionary reformist

[@dogzer]

It's funny how people can inch their way into extremism, then going back to normal feels like the extreme thing to do. It's like the series 'Hoarders'.... slowly but surely their life become a mess because they just can't let go; To get rid their crippling lifestyle seems a radical thing to do.

[@wawrzynieckorzen78]

Why? Not all countries are trying to fund welfare state based on soy bean production; usually it is some industry or other high profitable sectors of economy, not agriculture.

[@petrastolle6798]

only if this works out, we will know “soon”

[@jonathanodude6660]

@@petrastolle6798 it will take a long time.

[@hzlh2254]

spoiler alert: it doesnt work

[@Echophone2046]

Milei’s plan is NOT Radical. Stop it.

[@Christian-qu9ml]

It is psychotic.

[@Echophone2046]

@@Christian-qu9ml It's called Market Econmy and let supply and demand works.

[@Christian-qu9ml]

@@Echophone2046 while destroying the poor and middle class. Insane! 💩

[@petermelang6695]

@@Echophone2046 It is radical though. Look up the term.

[@Etom.]

@@Christian-qu9ml Yes because allowing government spending that isnt working to go on unchecked is the far less psychotic option

[@jaredspencer3304]

It's amazing how terrified the media is to report positively on Milei.

[@rannickcauthon1821]

Reporting facts that contradict leftist ideas is considered right wing by media… it’s basically the same as back in the days, when facts that contradicted religious believes, were considered evil

[@realKarlFranz]

Because it's not a news outlets job to report positively on something. 🤡

[@BusyBodyVisa]

He's proof that goverment isn't the solution to all of our problems

[@s.t.8170]

interesting. please explain what you mean in more depth by using this specific piece by bloomberg. e.g. which positive achievements have been ignored in your opinion?

[@s.t.8170]

@@rannickcauthon1821 so there is only right wing and left wing media out there? and bloomberg is left wing trying to push a agenda into peoples minds? in your opinion? serious question.

[@zwegchen]

So This is clickbait. It doesn’t say whether or not it is working.

[@pauloferreira1319]

To be fair, even scientific studies sometimes work like this. You have an objective to determine if «x» is true, but sometimes you need to conclude that you do not have enough data to take any conclusion. In terms of conclusion, I kind of agree with them, because it is too early to know, it will take some more months to a couple of years to know if these measures will result in more external investment and to know if the deficit will be under control. My problem with this report is that Bloomberg is supposed to be a specialist in finance, but this video looked like something from any media, like CNN, FOX, MSNBC...It was quite mediocre and with some INSANE stuff as, for example, by 08:43 they basically say that if he wins the next elections it means that his measures worked, if he loses it means that the measures were bad, this makes no sense! That's not how economy and elections work! The average citizen is really bad at understanding economies and in managing expectations!

[@thespamdance311]

It's not working. Bloomberg just don't want to admit that neoliberalism has failed yet again.

[@pabloribs]

Since the release of this documentary, we know now that it’s working and putting an end to 90 years of pupulism.

[@ibetthisisnttakenyet]

The "Radical Plan" of government spending within its means?!? Sounds like common sense to me. Some stats for those who want to deliberate facts not politics... right now the US federal government is ~25% of GDP. 100 years ago it was 6-8% of GDP. Government is currently ~4x bigger and growing. Is there actually any value to it? Also, during the time that government was 6% of GDP, the USA went from being a small economic backwater in the mid 19th century to being the most economically successful nation in history by the early 20th century. After FDR's radical expansion of the role of government, it has been declining as a share of global GDP since the 1950's. Now, correlation doesn't equal causality, but somehow the USA became the most successful nation on earth with a government 1/4 the size of today. So, my question again is.... is there actually any value to it? I'm fascinated to see what happens in Argentina. Couldn't be much worse than the last 50 years which slowly destroyed an economy which had a top 10 global GDP Per Capita. Now, again correlation doesn't equal causality, but Argentina's historical economic success started unravelling around the same time excessive government spending started in the 1970's. Now, 8 months is such a short space of time to evaluate outcomes. My view is that within the next 5 years Argentina will be on a much better track to offer prosperity to its people and economic success, if they stay the course. I suspect the world is about to re-learn a lesson about the benefits of a smaller, more efficient government. Yes, this will come with more personal responsibility, but what more can anyone ask for but to have the freedom to stand on their own two feet?

[@bobtuiliga8691]

Excellent comment! Its just so insane that people don't see the correlation. Another glaring example was China's rapid rise as it embraced more economic freedom (ie less government) and its present slow-down after the CCP has started taking more control of the economy.

[@ibetthisisnttakenyet]

@@bobtuiliga8691 100%

[@otavioguimaraes5798]

Some pro-government economist need to understand that the people know how to spend their own money better than politicians. Every cent taken from them by the government is a cent that could be used to fullfill someone's demand or to be saved in a bank and used as credit for investment. When the government assumes the task of spending other peoples money and control the bank sector, what we will have is debt, inflation and a infinite cycle of artificial booms and recessions.

[@hamishfullerton7309]

What you'd prefer corrupt multi national corporations with oligopolies, making decisions for your own country rather than elected government of the people, look how that worked out for Nigeria and there oil industry ,they have zero opportunities for locals as there environment got destroyed and industry takes far more than it gives because weak government does not make big oil companies accountable ,to the point locals can buy fresh water from the oil rigs that destroyed there environment in the first place and locals can also salvage crude from old wells and refine in to petrol ,in toxic home distilleries by burning the crude to refine it, that takes personal responsibility to another level😒😊​@otavioguimaraes5798

[@ibetthisisnttakenyet]

@@hamishfullerton7309 yeah, I hear this argument a lot, but I think there are a few of flaws. Firstly, corruption involving companies ALWAYS involves government. They can’t be corrupt with customers because they need to convince them every day to continue to be customers. Secondly, governments should 100% focus on protection of property rights, including common property like environment. This includes anti-trust and abuse of competitive position. The problem comes when they try to do more than that. I’m not arguing for no government… just for them to be smaller and focus where it matters (property rights, security, and protection against abuse of position) Finally, the government is not your friend. While companies need to earn your trust and money each time you buy, governments have a different approach. They just hold a gun to your head each year and take your money. Don’t believe me? Try not paying taxes and see where you end up. Don’t be fooled by their nice words. Your interests are not government interests. They are not your friend.

[@Maarttiin]

I'm from Argentina. Short answer: Yes, it is working. Milei has managed to reduce subsidies and kept untouched his approval ratings, why? Because he told people the truth during the campaign. Also, he has reduced inflation from 24% a month to 4% a month, and the exchange rate is stable, the central bank has fixed its passives and kept them under control to NOT print one single dollar, we have both primary and fiscal surplus, crime has gone down, some prices have gone back to december 2023 levels which is unheard of for the history of this country. The most important reforms are yet to be passed, which is elimination of regulations and the elimination of 90% of all taxes which only represent 10% of government's revenue. If Argentina manages to do that, then we will become the biggest economy in the continent.

[@daniel_rossy_explica]

Just a the tiniest correction to your reasoning: our Central Bank can't "print" dollars at all.

[@Maarttiin]

@@daniel_rossy_explica i meant pesos, thanks

[@azherkhan5677]

Great summary. I also want Argentina to come out of Financial crisis. Love from India

[@jdewitt77]

Stay the course. This is working and things should work out. The USA should adopt some of these measures since the American economy is so bad thanks to Biden and the rest of the Democrats. I hope Trump gets in and cuts Federal spending.

[@el10leo]

Durante la campaña dijo que el ajuste lo iba a pagar la casta. Que seas tan fanático que no puedas reconocer una flagrante mentira no hace que milagrosamente milei haya sido honesto intelectualmente ni haya dicho la verdad. Tal vez está funcionando para vos, pero la enorme mayoría del pueblo la está pasando para el orto. Ah, la inflación solamente fue del 24% mensual luego de la devaluación que el gobierno libertario hizo al asumir.

[@Mike-bo1oj]

the Dave Ramsey method, beans and rice until your in a stable situation and not under crushing debt.

[@benjamindeyo9839]

Governments are not households. Simply cutting government spending can have horrible consequences if not done effectively. Austerity doesn't have a pristine history. It will be interesting to see how things play out in Argentina, but I wouldn't want to live in such a national experiment.

[@gregheffley2]

@@benjamindeyo9839 Argentina doesn't control its debt since most of it is denominated in dollars, so austerity is very much needed until Argentina can repay its debts.

[@daMacadamBlob]

You should not mix up the individual and societal level when making any sort of analysis

[@dertiefhirntaucher4315]

Der Typ macht alles richtig - er macht endlich Schluss mit dem überbordenden, korrputen Beamtenapparat und dem Sozialismus. Und er ist ökonomisch sehr gebildet und klug.

[@june2420111]

If Fujimori and the head of Perú's Central Bank could do it in the 90s, so can Argentina. It is in fact possible to pull a country out of hyperinflation and international debt. Really rooting for my Argentinian friends 🤞

[@rainerpomplun2071]

Er wird es schaffen. Er steht für eine liberalere Wirschaft und nicht fürs den Ökosozialismus

[@darknight1022]

Milei's radical plan seems to be working. Not only balancing the books, but having a surplus on the government budget. This is the only way to fight the hyper inflation and make Argentina a "normal" country.

[@tcial_news]

inflation drop from 45% on december to 4% last month....(maybe next month will be 3%...)

[@willietorben560]

@@tcial_news And people are literally starving to death again.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

​@@willietorben560So the solution is unproductive state sector jobs and 100% inflation? This is the result of thee abominable previous government.

[@SilencioTuyo]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@bdleo300]

Ahahaha, as 'normal' as this Mickey Mouse Mile (and he is 100% insaaaane!)

[@marshall1068]

Viva Milei!!

[@peterponcedeleon3368]

The President of Argentina is a modern day hero. Unfortunately most people of today have zero understanding of basic economics. The Keynesian’s of today would have you believe that spending money you don’t have actually leads to genuine GDP. Those of us who do understand economics, know that spending money you don’t have, celebrating it through false GDP numbers will lead to ultimate destruction. Only a sound financial house can stand. A recession is the cure for all the previous economic bad behavior.

[@larryc1616]

Cry for Argentina 😢 No mass El Loco 🤡

[@bobtuiliga8691]

Keynesian economics is the original "alternative fact". Its what you invent when established economics don't agree with your (socialist) world view 🤣

[@horatiohuskisson5471]

All austerity does is transfer wealth upwards. Argentina may get some more billionaires but the average person won’t benefit. Poverty will remain high

[@willietorben560]

What you advocate is commonly called "mass starvation".

[@bobtuiliga8691]

@@willietorben560 China, Cuba, North Korea & Zimbabwe were all socialist or communist governments who tried to centrally plan the food supply chain leading to mass starvation. There's no libertarian equivalent I know of.

[@FRANCO-n2g]

I am Argentine, what did Milei do in less than a year: He lowered inflation to 2.7% per month (25.5% in December 2023) Country risk: 1930 points in December 2023, 819 today. He banned gender policies, political indoctrination in schools. He also banned the use of inclusive language in schools and state agencies. He publicly declared himself against the 2030 agenda. From the first month of management, there was a fiscal surplus every month. He put order in the streets, eliminated street and highway cuts. He privatized state companies that were losing millions. He removed privileged pensions. He uncovered thousands of fraudulent businesses in the state. He fired public employees who were paid without working, or who were political campaigners. After months of recession, the economy is starting to pick up again. All this and much more in less than a year. Wait until next year, we will all vote to give him power in Congress, there you will see how Argentina rises to the stratosphere...

[@tanostrelok2323]

As far as the schools bit goes, Milei hasn't done anything at all. CFE Resolution 340/18, the one that imposed gender nonsense in schools is still up and running, there are many courses for teachers of all levels on the topic being backed by Human Capital as we speak. Using classrooms as a place for political proselitism has also been explicitly prohibited for quite a while, too, Milei hasn't changed it nor I have heard of any real measures to enforce the current legal framework on the national administration. As far as the economy goes, it's still too early to judge, hopefully it turns out alright, but I have zero hopes for this country, lol.

[@TheNewRobotMaster]

Cutting out the ministry of education seems like a bad move to me. Austerity measures for everything else I can understand, but education is the one where you are gonna feel the cycle repeat in 30 years. Kids need the best education they can get to stand a chance of being anything more than the workhorse of the world

[@alra_4777]

He joined it along with other ministeries inside 'Ministerio del Capital Humano'

[@TheNewRobotMaster]

@@alra_4777 If that's the case then it's probably ok

[@sheepbeeps3369]

Sadly for Javier "Just trust the plan" doesn't sell well if people don't have things like food, houses, or electricity.

[@ViksterG]

It is simple economics, do not spend more than what you earn. Governments have always failed this because its not their money.

[@tcial_news]

as milei says: "the state is not the solution, the state is the problem itself"

[@malogibeaux4946]

hat is ismply not true. That's now how economies work (at least for fiat currencies)

[@yamadakenji4143]

He's doing what the IMF has repeatedly demanded from struggling countries like Argentina and even more. The social fallout will be huge. A more nuanced approach would have made more sense

[@TheBumbleCheese]

Jesus, it takes years to fix a economy. Give him some time.

[@marcv2648]

It's already working. Bloomberg is loathe to admit that Milei is succeeding spectacularly.

[@puertousbmonkey]

He is. Investment and work is the only solution to poverty. Since Milei aprobed " ley bases" more than 40 billion have been invested. Investments take years to show results on population income. Milei is clearing the path to local and foreign investment, meaning no inflation, reducing public spending , no money printing, etc

[@alexgichmartinez4477]

This video is blatantly promilei. His politics are a failure. Poverty is way up, buildings don’t have power, pensioners can’t buy basic commodities. It’s a disaster

[@Hereford1642]

@@alexgichmartinez4477 It is short term hardship that will hopefully put an end to long term hardship. How do you think people manage when inflation is 260% ? You can put off the fateful day by printing more money but it becomes ever more worthless.

[@household.hermit]

que decia jajaja todos estamos cada vez más pobres TODOS

[@puertousbmonkey]

@@household.hermit no, la inflación bajó y eso es lo que te empobrece

[@Gassebol]

The future of Argentina looks very promising.

[@puertousbmonkey]

yes indeed

[@Nswix]

Depends on whether he gets reelected. If they give up halfway into his recovery and elect another Peronist, itll slide back to the way its always been there.

[@puertousbmonkey]

@@Nswix We have mid term elections next year. Half of congress will be renovated. Peronism is now a headless chicken. Traditional politics in Argentina has come to an end. Because none can compite with a common , honest and capable citizen like Milei that doesnt't come from politics

[@larryc1616]

😂😂😂😂 Cry for Argentina 😢

[@drk5orp-655]

He is a president that happens once in a hundread years.

[@turky6834]

I support Milei. Stand Strong Argentina because you are going to be a unique example to the world and the world superpowers does not want people to see it.

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

Budget surplus, single digit inflation, smaller government and thus less corruption... so yes it is working. Bloomberg is scared to say it though.

[@danieloyeleye3257]

Argentina has single digit inflation? Since when? I just looked it up and the inflation rate is insane.

[@noname106]

​@@danieloyeleye3257 Argentina's current inflation rate is 271.5%, the highest in the world. Over half of the population is living beneath the poverty line and skipping meals. Argentina is still primarily a non-industrialized, global south agricultural export economy. Going below the poverty line in such a country is much more severe than in a developed economy and recovering from that will not be as easy as it could theoretically be in those countries. Milei and his supporters believe in the delusion that Argentina is a fully developed western economy, so they think only in those terms.

[@kek3908]

@@danieloyeleye3257 Incorrect.

[@paulalangenegger3744]

Griechenland war dazu zu Feige ,ich gratuliere dem Volk von Argentinien, das Wagnis eingegangen zu sein. Hoffen wir dass Milei das alles nicht mit seinem Leben bezahlen muss.

[@alejotassile6441]

I will vote him again if he runs for president again

[@mariachiingles2348]

la producción de pelotudos sigue fuerte como siempre jaja

[@daniel_rossy_explica]

please explain your reasoning

[@el10leo]

Ya vas a crecer alejo.

[@john-lenin]

You can't run if you end up like Mussolini

[@karl-heinzhirseman6264]

Libertario y libertad! ❤💙❤💙❤

[@zalacainbilbao]

Milei is behaving in a logical and moral manner. This appears radical to traditional media!

[@markussmedhus9717]

If he's so logical, explain that hair.

[@enzoamaya5110]

If sinking millions, including kids, into poverty is moral then I don't want to be moral.

[@kawallabair3216]

It's really easy to make a profit when you sell off all of your capital assets in the beginning of your term. It's a lot harder to make it back when your golden goose is gone.

[@zalacainbilbao]

@@kawallabair3216 What capital assets have been sold?

[@okamaman7324]

@@enzoamaya5110 they where already poor before Milei m8. We Brasilians would do economic turism in argentina, cause how poor they where.

[@nzmanhdee6246]

We'll know in 4 years

[@BadByte]

We already know just look to UK and their 14 years of austerity

[@builder1117]

@@BadByte UK did not have austerity. The Tories just returned spending to pre 2008 financial crash levels. And your not going to argue Labor were practicing austerity are you?

[@alexgamble4718]

Argentina to become truly prosperous needs a stable currency and political environment. Then the investment will flow that currently cannot. I think anything less than a few years to create that confidence is optimistic.

[@juantorres-dj3fn]

I hate him as a person..but he will make it. I know..and next year he will have a resounding victory in the midterms. I live here and we are already seeing the economy coming back. Next year it will be an explosion..it will surpass 5% as the FMI projects..

[@focus0000000]

@@builder1117 wikipedia says otherwise

[@marcocadenas7938]

Ok so the answer is. We still don't know. You can skip the video and find out next year.

[@BlizzardzRS]

Bloomberg can't even *attempt* to hide their bias.

[@1001Balance]

You don’t need data for a policy so ludicrous

[@BlizzardzRS]

@@1001Balance The “ludicrous” policy is working; inflation is nose diving. Ignoring the data and setting fiscal policy based on “feels” is what got them into this mess.

[@1001Balance]

@@BlizzardzRS inflation is but one figure. Poverty rates are at an all time high. Let’s see how the next 2 years evolve.

[@BlizzardzRS]

​@@1001Balance The benefits of slowing inflation will take time to take effect. I expect poverty rates to rise before going down. But yes, let's wait and see.

[@thespamdance311]

They're on the same side as this lunatic! They just don't want to admit his plan isn't working.

[@Tropper73]

I fear that Bloomberg is becoming quite bias... which is something rather dangerous for all of us who seek independent economic data/information/analysis. Bloomberg was always more technical and less constraint by political pressures than (for instance) CNBC. I urge you to remain detached from politics. It is particularly hard to navigate through all the macro... and you were doing a great job.

[@PentangleYT]

What can you expect from Democrat Michael Bloomberg? He is now an extreme left guy spreading leftist propaganda.

[@marcv2648]

Bloomberg has been heavily political for a very long time. If you think they are less political than CNBC, then you just haven't been paying attention.

[@LucianoMartinss]

The average people prefer to receive government spare change and live in misery, instead of taking the bitter pill of economic sense that will make things really better in the near future. I'm happy for the Argentinian people who decided to vote for Milei and now they are going prosper and be a successful country again very soon.

[@Abraham-uk4xy]

Is Bloomberg trying to get rid of him? They did one like this on Bangladesh about 5weeks ago. Mohd yunos had his bags packed ready to go into exile. Within 3weeks of the program airing Hasina was gone and Yunos was the top adviser. In a year's time please make a program like this about Britain and the Labour government. Have they made things better or have they lost their way?

[@HorrorDirectorN]

We stand with Javier Milei and most argentinians do. VIVA LA LIBERTADORES, CARAJO

[@danc7988]

Yes - Milei’s policies are working. Spending less than you earn HURTS especially when everyone has a sense of entitlement after decades of uncontrolled spending. They will thank him enormously in time.

[@thespamdance311]

Who, the rich?

[@danc7988]

@@thespamdance311 everyone will in due time. Except for those that live off the taxpayers teet. But in due time, everyone will be better off without upwards of double digit inflation that his policies will bring forward. More government is never the answer, and Argentina is a great poster child for this lesson. Even if it is Argentinians who are one of the last to learn this lesson

[@el10leo]

Ya me lo puedo imaginar "gracias milei por destruir mi poder adquisitivo para que santiago caputo pueda gastar 100.000 millones de pesos como quiera en la SIDE". Sí, definitivamente ya la van a ver.

[@danc7988]

@@el10leo Espero que el pueblo argentino intente superar el horrible virus de la mentalidad socialista que metió a su país en este lío en primer lugar. La responsabilidad fiscal no es algo que se pueda evitar con atajos y ciertamente no se puede llegar a ella imprimiendo más dinero y prometiéndoles a sus votantes que el gobierno les dará más cosas "gratis" si los mantienen en el poder. Pero siempre habrá algún intelectual o académico con muerte cerebral que escriba un libro que diga lo contrario, y siempre habrá esos idiotas que creen que la riqueza se construye por decreto y no con trabajo duro y responsabilidad fiscal 🤦‍♂️

[@anniesshenanigans3815]

If they don't embrace his cuts and ideas, they will fall right back into the nightmare they had before. I am surprised that Argentina has not broken up by now or been taken over by china.

[@DanielGonzalez-cs8pr]

That's funny we pay 100% of our electricity here in Texas, I would love to pay 20-30%, wow!

[@alexgamble4718]

And younwonder why they got into so much trouble? Socialist policies with a massive government that printed itself more money for services it could not afford.

[@AndresGomez-lc1hp]

No you wouldn't. Didn't you see the why it was bad in the video?

[@angellestat2730]

I am from Argentina, my current electricity bill in a mid class house was 40 USD, it went from 25 to 40 in 8 months, but that is still a 3% of an average mid class salary which is nothing. In most countries the normal is to paid 5% on much bigger salaries. That is why nobody here is complaining about the energy bills. The only thing we all complain is inflation, and that is going down with Milei for first time in decades.

[@alexgamble4718]

@angellestat2730 it will also be better for the country as electricity usage will become more efficient. There will be greater incentives to turn off lights, buy more efficient appliances, etc.

[@alexgamble4718]

@@angellestat2730 are prices changing less frequently now? Is this the reason opinion polls are favourable?

[@nonyadamnbusiness9887]

Economically, eight months is nothing. An economy is a complex system. It will be years before the effects are known.

[@yuckmouth]

Way too early to ask this question. Asking this question now is irresponsible. Bloomberg is irresponsible.

[@JeyC_]

When did MSM ever became responsible?

[@yuriydee]

Really? The video seemed more pro-Milei to me.

[@bdleo300]

Milei simps are hysterical like their unhinged idol

[@JeyC_]

@@bdleo300 it's funny how you go about and spend your day replying 12 y/o insults to everyone on a troll account. Atleast come up with a sensible argument 😂

[@N0RZC]

Like Booberg knows anything about economy 🙄

[@donbenjamin6459]

He started with negatives reserves. We have positives reserves now. When he came into power inflation was at 20% monthly now we are at 4. While he has done some questionable things. Its the best chance we have

[@bdleo300]

If people have nothing to eat - no inflation. Genius! CIA, IMF and Bibi Netanyahu should be proud of their little dog

[@Sup666-n8l]

The basic idea of Milei is that the state should not spend more than it gets! The "agenda" tells you to say he is "far right" but you could have deviated a bit and mention that also...

[@genfilf]

Take a note on whom made this video and never ever take financial advice from them.

[@rosilenec.h329]

Even if inflation is contained, prices will remain at a level too high for the population to live with dignity. The problem in Argentina is not inflation. It is the attack on the national currency and the lack of international reserves.

[@WeiweiCheng]

What he did is both logical and reasonable; many of his actions are simply common sense. It’s surprising that many in the media label him as radical.

[@alexgamble4718]

It is common sense, but to do these things so quickly, with so much impact to so many, that is politically radical. It's only that the situation grew to become so unsustainble over many years that he has the ability to do it.

[@puertousbmonkey]

leftist media woke agenda

[@tcial_news]

@@alexgamble4718 It's totally as you say, when you receive 20 hits a day and one day you receive 60, is not going to change your life. On the other hand, if you have never been hit and one day someone hits you just once, it is something terrible. Milei made the largest adjustment in the history of the country (much of that adjustment was towards the politicians, but it also fell on the people), however Milei's positive image remains close to 60%. because the people has hope.

[@Darkstarr-ud2go]

How can you have 200% inflation with 53% poverty???

[@Tom0000]

Why does Bloomberg call Milei's policies radical? Maybe the policies that Bloomberg think are standard are the radical ones.

[@puertousbmonkey]

Milei : saves money Bloomberg: RADICAL

[@hexagon6922]

Wouldn’t he himself call them radical? That’s his entire platform. If you abolish all long standing subsidies and simply close half of the governments ministries over night, what else would you call it?

[@Tom0000]

@@hexagon6922 An attempt at a solution to a 100-year problem caused by selfish Marxists that took advantage of the naivety of the citizens.

[@puertousbmonkey]

@@hexagon6922 common sense

[@petermelang6695]

@@puertousbmonkey Who says it can't be both? Of course it is radically and radicalism is not inherently bad.

[@ms_cartographer]

Most of his economic policies are sound, but he really needs to leave LGBTQ and women rights alone. Just don't undermine those. Focus on economic policies to lower inflation.

[@ToonAlfrink-hy7xy]

Yeah it's strange how he's a libertarian and then suddenly he's not. Maybe it's because there's not a lot of voters in that corner

[@cedricdaniellutalo]

The man whose policies have caused great hardships represents such hope for the future, now that's evidence of strength of the human condition and faith in leadership

[@gregorymalchuk272]

Decades of living off of credit cards caused the suffering.

[@ciprianpopa1503]

3:09 I assume that they have to pay about 30% of their income on the electricity, not 30% of the real value of the electricity as stated.

[@javierdussel3704]

The reality is that Milei is increasing the debt and has already had a fiscal deficit again. He has overvalued the currency so the trade balance is becoming increasingly negative. There is only financial speculation and corruption with large foreign extractive corporations (oil, lithium, gold, copper). Even the countryside is ceasing to be profitable. More than ten thousand closed companies, unemployment and poverty that reaches 70% in children and adolescents. We are headed for another crisis. A quarter of the state budget now goes to paying usurious interest on the public debt. Milei makes propaganda and sells a false image. If nearly half of the population continues to support him, it is only because they need to believe and there is no credible option in the other political parties, which have all had very bad and corrupt governments.

[@bdleo300]

Yeah but Yankee bots adore him, he obeys CIA and IMF so well. And Bibi Netanyahu.

[@Hereford1642]

The video reports that Argentina is now running a fiscal surplus and has been for some months. Milei is not the one responsible for the amount of money Argentina owes and has to pay interest on is he ?

[@javierdussel3704]

"fiscal deficit again" "there is no credible option in the other political parties, which have all had very bad and corrupt governments" That's what I wrote.

[@john-lenin]

"The People will have to make do with less - but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."

[@CornPopPomade]

Unfortunately Milei is expected, in one term, to turn around an economy that has been headed the wrong direction for decades, and he’s expected to do it when he doesn’t have support from their congress. I hope he can.

[@Decoy0527]

I see the progress on inflation and deficit reduction to be remarkable accomplishments. Of utmost importance is that Argentina has immense amounts of natural resources that are much needed worldwide. I hope for the best to happen in Argentina.

[@rudfil]

I hope Argentinas recourses ‘for the world’ are not exploited too much like destroying the environment and robbing Argentina blind

[@katakalyptica]

Nix verstanden,aber informatif

[@eddyalonso7661]

Adelante Milei!

[@Omer1996E.C]

I wish my country had its Milei. I have a disagreement with him for supporting Israel, but I really love his economic reforms. Here I'm from a country plagued with over-regulations and tax hikes, with great corruptions for all our tax money and abuse of power from those regulators. WE NEED YOU HERE, MILEI!!!

[@manonamission2000]

which country? California??

[@Duskbleu]

UK

[@Omer1996E.C]

@@manonamission2000 I wish, cuz then I'd have problems and solutions. Where I'm, there's only problem without solutions. I don't want to state my country, but its government has made me a partial anarchist, thus anarcho-capitalist

[@CalifornianSupremacy]

@manonamission2000 You sound poor, California has the 4th largest economy in the world surpassing all of the UK alone.

[@TheBooban]

Everyone country needs a Milei and a Bukele!

[@almostrandomnickname]

full support to president milei.

[@adrienpartier7207]

You'll have to prove that "saving the Argentine economy" really is Milei's actual objective at this point.

[@freesk8]

Afuera! Afuera! Afuera! Libertad! Yay. Milei! We need someone like Milei in the US!

[@MrRealitybite]

Average argentinians can barely pay rent and public services, nothing else

[@carlosoliveira698]

viva la Argentina, CARAGO! De Portugal !

[@Rainy_Day12234]

It’s going to take years for the turnaround to work, but he’s definitely turned the ship in the right direction.

[@emperorpicard4901]

The building contractor who is complaining that he is not getting paid, though, count your losses and let it be a lesson, don't contract with the state. There is no obligation for him to be paid.

[@VirtualR]

It's not a recession, it's hyperinflation, totally different. One is due to things being over valued, one is caused by government mismanagement. This is why he has legalised and encouraged the use of USD, to stop the effects of hyperinflation.

[@ItsNeverTooHot4Leather]

This illustrates the difference between economics and finance. Argentina is clearly an economic powerhouse in Latin America, but as long as it lacks prudent financial management, especially proper central banking, it will continue to be unstable and experience high inflation. The government can cut public spending all it wants, but that isn't going to solve the financial issues. I heard nothing in this video about Argentina's central bank and what measures it will take to reduce inflation to optimal levels.

[@HermannCortez]

Argentina and Chile's economies were crippled overnight by the opening of the Panama Canal in 1914. For the rest of the 20th century their politicians tried to find a solution and both countries began a long painful slide into socialism. Chile took drastic action with the 1973 coup by General Pinochet which saved the nation (although Chile has declined drastically since returning to democracy in 1990). Argentina instead indulged in a diastrous war and then doubled down on failed socialist policies to end up in a parlous state. Milei's election is a sign of the country's exasperation with the failed political system. Thank goodness his policies are working.

[@dsa513]

How did the Panama canal do that?

[@HermannCortez]

@@dsa513 global shipping routes changed overnight and maritime trade vanished. Argentinian and Chilean ports (and the Falklands 🇫🇰 ) suddenly became irrelevant.

[@dsa513]

@@HermannCortez What oercent of the economy was dependant on that?

[@kneeh]

Why did you cut off the woman in 3:40 when she started talking about salaries rising ?

[@jeffdittrich6778]

Your bias is extreme. What is “radical” about stopping printing of worthless money or refusing to spend what the government doesn’t have? It would be “radical “ to continue policies that were known to be killing the country. His policies are just common sense. Perhaps you should try an honest line of work.

[@bdleo300]

Cope

[@maxn9745]

Transition!!! Aguante Milei!!🫶🏻...fuerza Argentina 🇦🇷

[@maurice22ravel]

This "documentary" is an insult to anyone with a normal mental capacity, most of it are very well crafted lies. Milei has been the best president we have ever had. The only person actually speaking the truth is the meat shop owner. Food prices are going down in Argentina for first time in over 20 years and people are actually looking at the country as a decent place to invest.

[@linwilllogan]

What foods have gone down in price?

[@Majutar1]

In the past, public works were not executed as promised; they were stalled, and there was a significant amount of corruption involved. This isn't something new, and everything mentioned in the video is misleading. Additionally, the video's focus is biased

[@markeasley6149]

Milei is a hero! He kept his promises so far.

[@maximusg88]

Maybe in the short term - but eventually people will realise that only the rich are benefiting from all of this

[@JeyC_]

You've just described what keynesian economics and socialist policies do

[@kentmemories]

He is responsible for money and clearly on the right track.

[@puertousbmonkey]

​@@Matyasmonyes. investment and work is the only solution to poverty. Since Milei aprobed " ley bases" more than 40 billion have been invested. Investments take years to show results on population income. Milei is clearing the path to local and foreign investment, meaning no inflation, reducing public spending , no money printing, etc

[@larryc1616]

Right track to over 60% in poverty

[@gregorymalchuk272]

​@@larryc1616That's what decades of not paying your bills gets you. Not a few months of living within your means.

[@sparty1928]

awesome man

[@hosoiarchives4858]

Nothing radical about it

[@bdleo300]

Mickey Mouse Milei is not just radical, he's 100% insaaaaane... just like his simps and bots.

[@petermelang6695]

Look up the term "radical". It isn't inherently bad, so there's no need to defend it. Halving the amount of ministries is radical.

[@user-ez9en7vk2z]

​@@bdleo300says the nutcase with ancient aliens avatar.

[@FloweryLilium]

@@bdleo300Yeah right, everyone who defends him or gives him the right is a bot and a simp, not that argentines have been going through an economical hellish crisis for decades, without their politicians or anyone around the world caring about us until just now, right? Surely you’re one of those weirdos who just knew about our existence since the WC or recently with Milei but before that never knew about what we have gone through or why Milei is president in the first place.

[@patriciosilva1969]

Milei is trying, with the only tools available that might do it. Those torpedoing or critizising not only do not have adequate alternative tools, but also seem not to have the desire to fix the country or see it fixed. Greetings from nieghboring Chile.

[@LuckysMotorcycles]

Did she say 260% inflation per year ? Defaulted on national debt 3 times already ? This is SCREAMING gold backed money .

[@oodaangel9079]

Melei wants to dollarize the economy so that if another party gets elected they can’t overspend like they’ve been doing for the past 30 years

[@alexgamble4718]

Running a balanced budget will also dramatically reduce inflation and lead to a more stable currency. Currency at its core is abiut confidence. If citizens have confidence it will retain its value, that is the same a commodity backed currency.

[@pebblepod30]

How about do the same policies thay worked in Norway? And more big business Cooperatives (like Mondragon in Spain) and Housing Cooperatives (like worlds largest in NYC). They are proven solutions.

[@sebastiangruenfeld141]

You can't simply undo half a century of socialist economic mismanagement in 8 months and with a minority in the parliament. He has to compromise a lot with the old parties that still have a majority in the parliament.

[@dogzer]

Big investments take year(s) to take place. And before that Argentina needs to have a stable economy, no inflation, no confiscatory policies, no crippling bureaucracy. It must be worth it to invest in Argentina, and investors need to have confidence they won't get expropriated as soon as Milei is gone.

[@alexgamble4718]

Yep, and that is my fear for them. The pain threshold will be reached and a leftist opportunist will promise to make the pain go away. And then they will stay poor.

[@puertousbmonkey]

And with that little he accomplished more than previous governments