Is Naoya Inoue No.1 P4P? | Boxing Talk

Is Naoya Inoue No.1 P4P? | Boxing Talk
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[@that_idaho_brick_guy]

You can always tell when people don’t know about Inoue’s career and his resume. He’s pretty much only fought champions and #1 contenders since his 5th fight. All he’s done is knocked out champions, knocked out guys who’ve never lost, and knocked out guys who’ve never tasted the mat.

[@Horizon0505iije]

It’s in his contract. When he signed with ohashi promotion, he only fights champions or someone considered stronger than him. If not, he will leave the promotion

[@rcsnake1]

and some casuals still talk about usyk or crawford as p4p when all they do is stay in the same weight and barely fight in a year when inoue knocked out 5 world champions in a span of 2.5 years moving up weight at the same time.

[@Pigeoning]

I looked, 10 solid years in some kind of title fight.

[@songmoua9389]

Inoue probably have the longest championship fight win in a row too. I think its 18 going to 19. Most of them by KO too.

[@Hakuna_My_Tatas]

@@songmoua9389against fulton that was his 20th straight consecutive championship bout. And he KO’d/TKO’d 18 out of 20. That 88% KO ratio aint just numbers.

[@gpc0708]

The P4P list will always be up for debate, there are some fighters who absolutely belong on that list no questions asked and Inoue is one of them. Right now hes my number 1. If you look at his body of work hes more accomplished than Spence and Crawford. He's held 10 world titles across 4 divisions, undisputed at bantamweight, has had 20 title fights in 25 fights! Probably doesnt get the recognition he deserves because hes not as well known in the USA.

[@spookytoothable1911]

I don't know who's the the pfp #1, I don't even know how you'd define it, but I believe Inouye is the most exciting & dangerous boxer in the world right now. It must be terrifying to be in the ring with him because he applies constant, unrelenting pressure & aggression. He just doesn't stop & then he's out before you can counter. He's that rare fighter who's completely respectful, mild mannered, never engages with or instigates trash talk, and in the ring he just wants to kill you.

[@cindymmm11]

Exactly

[@yamamancha]

Trying to understand what reality people have been living in if they're only now recognizing Inoue... He was on the cover of Ring Magazine twice, like 3 years ago. There is no man fighting today at 130lbs or below who presents a serious challenge to Inoue.

[@rcsnake1]

he will dominate both 126 and 130 and he will either stop there or continue and fight against loma and gervonta if he wanna surpass manny as all time great

[@SadBirbHours]

@@rcsnake1I don’t think he needs to go that far to match Pacman. If inoue can win in 5 divisions, unify two of them and go undefeated with that insane KO ratio will be enough to make him an all time great imo

[@high.already]

Idk man I am a big fan of Inoue but there are some absolute monsters in the 130 division.

[@jackhandma1011]

I still think Inoue wins against them, but there's this Cuban two-time Olympian Robeisy Ramirez, and this ridiculously unorthodox Emmanuel Navarrete. They might offer some sort of challenge but idk.

[@pranav_k__]

@@jackhandma1011 I saw the fight between ramirez and Shimizu and i really don't see any problems that Ramirez can pose to inoue. Inoue is too fast, too powerful and vastly more skilled as a boxer than Ramirez

[@forearthbelow]

Guys. A non fan of boxing here, honestly, but somehow some Inoue fight popped up in my KZbin browser: as I am obsessed with all things Japanese - I am a 70 yo Englishman Londoner - I thought I'd swallow my eversion and check it out. I have been bingewatching his fights for 3 days now, frikking unbelievable. His balance, speed of thought, quickness of his hands and feet, and then the power... I am rethinking my view of boxing as a result. WHAT a talent. Wow.

[@burningknuckle26]

Naoya #1 p4p hands down. Winner of spence/Crawford still gon be #2

[@unitronelectricunicyclesph4446]

If you say Usyk and Crawford are greater pound for pound compared to Inoue right now, then you can’t call yourself knowledgeable. Tsk tsk these dudes are funny.😆

[@thelastmexhecan812]

Tisk tisk to your dumbass it's not about how many Division won it's about if everybody was the same height same weight who's coming out on top that's what pound-for-pound means

[@unclevizzy]

inoue has 20 championship fights with 18kos. Is a 4 weight champion, former ring mag #1 p4p king. Won the wbss at 118 became undisputed and lineal champion at 118. Went to his 4th weight and just fought the best and masterclassed the champion. Also, Inoue is the most dominant fighter and most efficient finisher in the game. Betertbiev and Tank may have higher ko ratio but they loses rounds, inoue doesn't lose round and still get the kos. Inoue should slide up 1 spot to be the p4p king again.

[@johnhulse4124]

Worse than being knocked out is the humiliation Inoue dished out by proving that he is overwhelmingly better in every possible way to Fulton. Being knocked out can be accepted or excused away, but being emphatically shown, straight up, that next to The Monster you are at best, average? That has to really be a crushing thing for Scooter to have to face.

[@clubeyxander5132]

True. Especially after all the false accusations his side made. But, he did show he was an expert defense artist by avoiding Inoue's bombardment for 7 or so rounds. That's not easy.

[@dubhgall1083]

No need for him to feel bad. He lost to the GWOAT.

[@chakatalee]

Inoue has money. He fight for legacy. Money has nothing to do with his legacy. He's climbing weight to conquer his limits....

[@kaosaechao3602]

Dont kid yourself, Everyone fight for $$$ lol

[@high.already]

Not for Inoue, and I will trust his words over the clueless public.

[@clubeyxander5132]

He's actually fighting to establish a new boxing capitol in Japan, which would respect and treat lighter weight boxers rightfully, and promote them so they can get more coverage and and a better payday. So far, this quest is succeeding, but I doubt it will be sustained after Inoue retires. He will need successors to his throne as the smaller guys' king.

[@kaosaechao3602]

@clubeyxander5132 maybe Tenshin the KBoxing legend lol

[@clubeyxander5132]

@@kaosaechao3602 That would be great if he does grow into the mold of Inoue. But he's already shown he lacks power, so I hope he can work on that. His skills are already top tier.

[@rolo1955]

It's very simple. The guy fills stadiums and is an exciting fighter. He is a perfect blend of power, technique, speed, ring IQ and most of all he is a great role model and example to kids and future fighters! He's got those Cat Life reflexes, you blink and you missed the knock out punch!

[@RaymondRayos-rc8cm]

Now I would like to see "INOUE" fight " RYAN GRACIA ." JUST TO SEE WHO IS the ture ( FLASH !!! "

[@jamesburrell677]

Spence is the one I don't understand. He's been at it 11 years. He's won 3 belts. He's fought in one division and I thought Shawn Porter beat him. What about that warrants a rating above Artur Beterbiev much less consideration for P4P King ? Tank Davis doesn't deserve a spot, end of. If Tank Davis is the most talented fighter in the history of the sport he still hasn't done anything. He has one good win against Pedraza.

[@wangvue5557]

So true tank havent fought sht! I love his fights...actions and kos...but he hasnt fought any top fighters!

[@xKayNee]

Spence is in a more popular division beating more well known guys. At the end of the day, it's a popularity contest. That's why you'll rarely see lower division fighters up there, Inoue is a special case. But P4P will almost always be stacked with mostly Lightweights and Welterweights. It's so much easier for them to be on the P4P list, because they're competing with each other in same divisions. In reality, these boxers they beat probably have the same or perhaps even less skill as opponents in lesser known divisions, but because they're in a more popular division, a win against them is more highly regarded.

[@FightFilms]

If u had Haney over Loma, you have no clue how to score boxing.

[@chakatalee]

Totally agree, Loma won that fight...

[@ricr.4669]

I've never seen Bruce Lee but I've seen Inoue. I bow

[@davidbenjamin1420]

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Inoue’s a descendant of a Samurai/ Ninja. What a special generational fighter he is, P4P no.1 no doubt about it. He’s been like that for the longest it’s just some people are too ignorant to appreciate his greatness but real boxing fans know greatness has no borders

[@SayLee-vx4vg]

Let's be truthful that Inoue is now the best until another one can prove otherwise. Unless you think Fulton is a horrible boxer. I think Fulton is the best in the division and he got crushed. Therefore, Inoue is the best p4p now.

[@3_Wise_Pandas]

I expected a much closer competitive fight, but Inoue was just levels. That was a completely dominant fight and he does look like a generational talent.

[@mrbipolarmattyhoward6071]

Inoue is without doubt P4P best out there not debatable

[@JapaneseOps]

Inoue and Crawford are another level in the general boxing

[@aznkether]

LOL these clowns want Inoue to jump 8 weight classes from his start of 108 lbs. to fight Davis. How many other boxers have they made such ridiculous requests on in order to consider him #1 P4P?

[@hydewizard]

They're indeed, clown

[@RedShogun13]

Pound for pound in my mind has always been “if all fighters were the same size/weight who would be the best”.

[@thelastmexhecan812]

Yes that's it it's based off IQ competition skill set

[@thelastmexhecan812]

These people are changing it to how many divisions have you won because he hasn't fought anybody of actual talent outside of one or two times

[@beethao4145]

I think they can be in different weight but who's more devastating and more devastating tko.

[@dannggg]

I’ve been watching a lot of coverage of this and feel like UK people know about boxing more than US casuals. Felt like they knew inoues background way more than US fans.

[@doublelo7kfl]

If aquiring titles at the lighter weights is 'easy' then explain why Inoue is the ONLY fighter in history to win belts at 108lbs - 122lbs. Im not including Jorge Arce - he won interim titles along the way. Its okay to admit you arent familiar with Inoue's resume.

[@dubhgall1083]

His skills are way beyond ANY other fighter, PERIOD. His movements, set-ups, hand speed, power, snd footwork are truly flawless. The only boxer I've seen who is somewhat similar in skill is a Chinese fighter who's name escapes me. But NOBODY ELSE has the skill to hit an opponent's solar plexus with a left hook, and then a split second later--and I do mean damn near SIMULTANEOUSLY--hit the opponent's chin with real power. That's the combo that hurt Fulton and blew him into the corner and out of competition. If the warrior gods do truly incarnate, one of them would be Inoue! GWOAT!

[@songmoua9389]

Inoue making as much or more money than Tank in Japan already. Wonder why he mostly fight in Japan? Money is not a drive for Inoue. He is an icon/hero already in Japan. Inoue gonna be #1 p4p for a while. Why? 122 to 130 is wide open. If his power carry, we looking at a 7 division, 4x undisputed champ in 5 years.

[@PP-vf1kx]

🤔 some individual look for challenges…

[@ianmwangi4591]

He is the best fighter in the world

[@hman7236]

Doesnt matter Inoue last performance was so far performance of the year hands down.

[@lizardking3979]

Inoue us so good, it’s kinda funny.

[@brianyee1304]

As long as you can define your criteria for pound for pound, and be consistent. You have to decide if your p4p is a hypothetical or is it based off accomplishments/resume. I tend to go with the latter because it’s more of a realistic gauge of reality and what the fighters are actually doing. For me, Inoue is #1 at the moment. When you put accomplishments (unified champ, undisputed champ, champ in multiple divisions), resume (fights against former and current champions and top rated fighters), the manner in which a fighter is beating his opponent (Inoue finishes about 90% of his opponents) and how active the fighter is. I don’t think you can put Spence in the same class as Inoue, at least not yet. Spence has not been undisputed yet (as of 7/26/23) and he is still fighting in his first weight class and he hasn’t been very active. However, if Crawford wins on Saturday, you can make an argument that he is #1 p4p because he would be a two time undisputed champ, and he has climbed multiple weight classes. As of today my top three are 1. Inoue 2. Crawford 3. Usyk.

[@ronaldnieldschneider1855]

Spence is a tappity-tap fighter, like Fulton. He will crumble before a boxer with half Inoue’s skill and power.

[@high.already]

If they are the same size Inoue will absolutely bruralise Spence with ease!

[@pranav_k__]

I fail to understand why the same people asking inoue to go up and fight tank don't also want tank to move up and fight charlo or some such. It's the most blatant of double standards

[@Kdatoh3]

you both were right, but Maloney called it best. he said Inoue will stop Fulton at round 8.

[@Frejborg]

I think Inoue is the best boxer by pure skill and ability, than we've ever seen. He's certainly my all-time favorite boxer. His skills, and capabilities are simply a few levels higher than EVERYONE else. I will go watch this Terence vs. Errol fight... and see how great he is. I am coming to believe he is a great boxer, but I doubt he's at Inoue's level, maybe close. Nice commentary.

[@woodyharrelson2624]

I mean Inoue has more belts than both Spence and Crawford in more weight classes combined, so who has more belts than him in more classes and by knockout?

[@astradala1845]

He’s pvp 1. “The monster” is the most accurate nickname he’s a beast. But people slating Fulton are the same people who say we never get big fights. He took a risk, and he lost but he deserves respect for stepping up to the challenge and fighting a beast like Inoue

[@rudicuevas809]

Inoue is P4P #1 What people need to understand is what Inoue has accomplished. He has destroyed better competition, mostly champions. In 4 different weight divisions. Light Fly, Super Fly, Bantam and Super Bantam. He has a record of 25w-0-22kos. Inoue is 20 -0- 18kos in championship fights. I have watched him since he was a flyweight and he has destroyed everyone that he has fought, with exception of the first fight with a future HOF Nonito Donaire, it was a war. They fought again and Inoue smoked him. He is probably going clean out the 126lb division.

[@user-antv8blv2]

Monster is real monster

[@coyotep5021]

Naoya Inoue future hall of fame inductee Muhammad Ali trophy tournament undisputed champion unified champion 4 division. This p4p list is crazy talented.

[@Luevang1]

Put this into perspective, if Inoue is a black boxer what would you all say and rank him????? I think no question asked you all would place him #1 p4p.

[@rogeliop.hernandez6720]

Naoya is the lone boxer at lower weight categories on the p4p simply because he scraped it clean. Lone man standing, noone to compare.

[@PP-vf1kx]

🤔 no one to fight? …time to move up just to see how high a mountain you can climb!

[@leovari]

infight→strongest out boxing→strongest no one wins

[@cookiebot3369]

They watch football ⚽️. Not boxing, so it’s normal for them to know nothing. Well they don’t know much about football ⚽️ anyways.

[@pass4359]

This. Lol

[@ADN4N20101]

The guy in the green looks like denzel washington 😂

[@torpedohost]

ghetto denzel with brain damage

[@pandabear1576]

Do you actually know what Denzel looks like?

[@Healing.Tortruer]

If he isn’t P4P, who is? How was it determined? No one has been more dominant in their fights over their career.

[@mementomori8991]

You guys are a breathe of fresh air. Being an American, the discourse here is so racialized and toxic but you guys are seem very objective and seem like true boxing fans.

[@jordank2028]

Blame the ones who started the whole "he can't beat the slick black fighter from Philly"

[@clubeyxander5132]

So true. The sad thing is that Fulton has received and is still receiving bunch of respect in Japan. And that kind of respectful attitude is probably the reason why so many foreigners think the Japanese are weak and that they can f*ck with them anytime they want. Sad.

[@georgejesson1944]

It wouldn't be a debate if he was twenty shades darker.

[@daverosemire1317]

You can make a case for any number of guys, but there are many intangibles that are up to chance. What about the great fighter who is in a weak division? What about the fighter that everybody avoids? i.e. Aaron Pryor and others. "Experts" often overlook heavyweights for P4P but Tyson Fury belongs on that list. At the moment Inoue is near or at the top of the list for sure. Bud, Usyk.

[@markfuchsbootsisabeastterr1455]

I am shocked that Boots Ennis believed Fulton would knock out Inoue. Boots is the only other fighter in the world that possesses Inoue's elite skill set. He's the one that should have known that Inoue is UNBEATABLE, just like he,(Boots) is... Maybe he was just backing his guy, because if he would have remained objective, he would have clearly KNOWN, that fight could only go and end one way... Boots, I love you, 'cause you're the best, but you blew this one, BIG TIME !😱

[@katugh343]

By far he is

[@SAMURAININJAMONK]

YES

[@rickocconnell9056]

Nothing to see here, Inoue is no1 pfp it don't need debating or analysing. Fulton was good, his poker face was great when taking heavy shots. He will make a great actor oneday

[@Amber_Holborn]

2019 inoue already p4p

[@zorojuro682]

Fulton needs to learn shoulder roll

[@joseiracheta3817]

Its bud now. If monster gets another undisputed he gets 1 pfp again

[@brucele6086]

Yes definitely

[@53icicic]

Canelo doesn't deserve top 5 pfp because he doesn't seek greatness like the other 4??? What are u talking about?? His resume is better than everyone in boxing. Has defeated more champions and undefeated fighters then anyone in boxing. He has 2 losses in his career. 1 to an all time great and he was 22 at the time. The other when he went up again to his 5th weight division and came up short to the much bigger and better undefeated fighter at that weight. What more does he have to do to prove to u guys he's deserving of top 5 p4p. Come on bro!

[@aomurdock]

What if Fulton moved up to 126 & won the belt? Would Inoue then move up to challenge?

[@DammitBobby]

I don't agree with how you defined PfP. Imo, PfP is just who has the best resume across all weights. Sure moving up and down contributes to that resume, but that's just one aspect. Imo is just about who beat the best, and the most, for the longest, in the more spectacular fashion.

[@Gyc864]

Exactly and Inoue is doing both at the same time 😂

[@DammitBobby]

@@Gyc864 I think Usyk genuinely has a good argument for 1 PfP. I generally agree with their top 3, and also that Spence can get in there with a good performance on saturday

[@latran7760]

You can't say fury please stop the guy is about to fight ngannou in an exhibition stop it.

[@DammitBobby]

@@NorthLondon-pm6xy we are talking about pound for pound, usyk has a significantly better resume, of course I'm including his cruiserweight fights. They are on his pro record

[@DammitBobby]

@@NorthLondon-pm6xy and usyk already cleaned out cruiserweight, unified, now holds half of fury's claim to heavyweight while beating the same level of competition that fury has since he's come back,while being more active.

[@r_skyaz]

You man are crazy to be questioning Canelo being in the top 5 P4P...🤯 ... Short of the Bivol loss (who he has no business fighting tbf), he was the only fighter taking on all willing champions/competitors. And he's still doing now, crossing the street to PBC... Absolute madness to question that!... So what? Tank is supposed to be higher than him??? 🤨

[@ronaldnieldschneider1855]

Jermel Charlo doesn’t deserve top ten for ducking his responsibility to the weight category against Tim Tszyu... smacks of cowardice (and money!)

[@RyshelHolguin-jl1dl]

Naoya is #1 winner of Spence/Crawford #2

[@markfuchsbootsisabeastterr1455]

Why do people not rate Boots higher in the P4P ratings... Is it political, or are they just plain stupid. His talent, like Inoue's is generational. Nobody has come even close to beating him, and he hardly ever loses a round. Everybody talks about Spence and Crawford, but neither one of them possess Boots' complete skill set. In a year or so, Boots will rule the welterweights, for many years to come.

[@kp5518]

who the heck plugged Inoue's eyebrows 😢😅

[@tsuchiya999]

Usik N 1 is A shame for ring m.

[@flamboyentpromotions3471]

Heavyweights shouldnt be on the p4p list, Usyk deserves it because he came from Cruiserweight, ring magazine's list is terrible how can Tank be there but not Beterbiev?

[@Henryyyy-ch4ju]

Inoue Usyk Crawford Spence Davis Beterbiev Bival Haney Canelo Charlo

[@nicholasanaya4tg470]

Who has Crawford foght ? You guys are biased honestly canelo tops All them became undisputed in less than one year !

[@rachhk6660]

Who has crawford fought? Lol

[@littlej3777]

Manny did what he did and people still don’t consider him the best. As for these black fighters that haven’t even achieved half of what inoue has done people are praising them like they’ve been champ and done what others have not done. The his is crazy!

[@hueyh5637]

Man we

[@napoleonecheverria3657]

Crawford.1 inoue 2 if Crawford loses inoue 1... Louis opinion on Robinson on bein P4 p..I like his point of view

[@2thebestsport839]

Davis and Devin better than Loma? wow! I guess the Ring Mag go along with robberies.. Since it’s going along with the “official” (corruption of boxing) status quote. Not to reliable 😊

[@tomatomi3402]

Nope if Bud wins then yeah he number 1 but if spence wins its still inoue since spence will only be undisputed in 1 weight class

[@moualor3358]

I disagree when you guys said stack division they all are running from each for me that the weakest division when talking about as a fighter sports .

[@feyanpulman010]

Inoue vs prima Pacquiao at the same weight. Who wins?

[@clubeyxander5132]

Wow, that's a tough question. Manny has already cemented himself in boxing immortality, so anything you say against him will probably be met with a significant amount of animosity. And historically, Manny still is by far the greater one, no doubt. That said, if the two clashed at he same weight in their primes, I think it will roll out like the first Donaire fight. Manny would win if he could hit Inoue with an untimely bomb of a punch (imagine Manny from out of nowhere, run-punching a surprised Inoue) , whereas Inoue will win if he succeeds in keeping the distance. Manny would probably be the reckless one as he always is, and technically speaking, I think Inoue's boxing skills are better. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[@leovari]

infight→strongest out boxing→strongest the monster wins

[@Karma_will_get_U.]

Talking about pound for pound,you called him 122 kilo😂😂😂

[@caterinavega4228]

Jeff horn did not have a good win against paq, that was a borderline robbery.

[@nomtubxiong5502]

A fighter loose a fight...he is not p4p.......or be on p4p list......

[@naniraj5087]

Bud beat a diminished Spence...while inoue beat an in form fulton. So inoue is my p4p. For all of buds skills he hasnt really fought dangerous fighters. Thats why casuals dont know who terence is!

[@douglasbutler5195]

122pound not 122 kilos

[@mmurilloa4857]

Are you suggesting that Canelo has not Done for champions or gone for belts? All of canello fights are money fights because of canelo so that can't Be helped. Who has crawford fa Is fough? yell haters 😂

[@wontonmin6481]

Inoue is the only boxer to take 4 belt within a yr unlike these so called p4p fight one time a year lol gtfo inoue is the most active number 1 right now

[@heronpescador6588]

Yes he is p4p

[@NoComplience]

122 kgs lol

[@Aih1616]

If P4p is purely ranked based on the fighters skills than Inoue is not even close #1. I mean it should be obvious to those who watched Fulton fight. Full package. Power, various combinations, techniques, finishing, speed, footwork the defense and ring IQ are all at highest level.

[@johnko7516]

BIAS

[@danielf4503]

Boxing such a groupie and echo chambe r sport- cling and hanging around the gym where our champ works out and e hen it comezfrom outside there is nou room for grey or subtle merit.

[@billykomengthao]

These are American pick your American blk fighter 😂

[@mart14k]

Loma beat Haney stop it… and the reason hes at ten is because we are talking about ability in p4p, not what 3 corrupt judges feel like that night… had he been given his rightful win hed be in the top 5 and no one would be able to deny it. None of this even mentions the fact that he was the smaller, much older guy and he paced the entire fight and also not to mention his resume BLOWS Haney, tank, charlo and even errols resume out of the water

[@michalerudster1265]

INUOE is top P4P. Crawford is second. The end.

[@shonuff2216]

Inoue because he went up in weight unlike crawford

[@operator0]

I think Inoue is better than Crawford, but for the purposes of a P4P list, you must give it to Crawford because he dominated a guy who was already a top 5 P4P guy. The dream fight would be Crawford vs Inoue, and in a world where they are the same size, I do believe Inoue wins, but Crawford's resume right now is just a little bit better than Inoue's. In my opinion, he should get the nod.

[@ninong213]

#1 will be the winner of spence vs crawford that will be #1

[@Bankolito]

P4P??? are you all delusional? are you all on drugs? who is Fulton in Boxing anyway? is he a big name? the only big name on Inoue list is Donaire thats it? Fulton? and everyone is so hyped about the tortol hahahaha!!!

[@kristopherwhite591]

I agree usyk Crawford at top