Is Now the Time for 10GbE?

[@praetorxyn]

"You don't know my life." When I picture your life, you're chasing after the seagulls with a machete and screaming in rage.

[@JWrath001]

Your gestures are so animated, it keeps me interested in what you're saying while being incredibly informative. Keep up the great work.

[@Texacate]

I see why Synology wants to up-charge you for 10GB. But they should upgrade the built in NICs to 2.5GB starting in 2024.

[@jasperverkroost]

I am afraid there won't be any new updates of the 2- and 4-bays Synology + servers in the next two years, as they all just have seen an update (224+, 423+, 723+, 923+) . Maybe we will see updates of the 1522+, 1621+ and 1821+ models, or (fingers crossed) a completely new model.

[@IntoxicatedVortex]

Given that most people can get what they want from SMB3 multi-channel I wouldn't be holding a lot of hope for Synology to go 2.5GbE. While I'd love it myself I have the feeling that the vast majority of NAS buyers wouldn't notice or care for the difference.

[@VeryFunnyStuffs]

Went the unofficial 2.5Gbit dongle route. No new Synology for unless 2.5Gbit comes with it

[@scampilover00]

Was just researching this, great timing, thanks 👍

[@mvrck-pb5pk]

Again great content; explaining, giving some valuable heads ups and possible pitfalls. Cheers

[@DJaquithFL]

Excellent video and great information for affordable 10GbE NAS general information. Lots of things to think about before pulling the 10GbE trigger. SFP+ isn't for fiber only and it's 'relatively' expensive per run.

[@smalltimer4370]

I know this is now a 1 yr old video, but have been migrating my local network to 10G fiber and could not be happier with the results thus far - 10G switches are so cheap now, and the adapters are running cool as a cucumber - what's not to love :D

[@pigsnack]

I have discovered that even tho 2.5 GbE can work over short runs of CAT5e, it often doesn’t. Replacing even shorter runs to CAT6 and greater does help improve performance with large files.

[@genrabbit9995]

I run 10GB on Cat5e about 45-60ft. seems to go well

[@antik06]

I have a 10Gb network at home thanks to the QNAP brand (I have bigger QNAP NASes - main and backup, full 8port 10G QNAP switch, 10G QNAP router), which x years ago gave and gives this interface to the NAS as a standard and they tried to push it wherever they could. It's the ideal data throughput that I've been using for a couple of years and I don't give it a pass. And the cool thing is that they added SMB Multichannel to QTS 5.1 👍

[@j340_official]

Once you go 10 Gbe, you won't go back. The other side of 10 Gbe is the wiring in the wall... many people don't have the necessary Cat6/6E cabling but if you do, it's beautiful looking at 10 Gbe transfers at full tilt.

[@WillFuI]

Most people don’t even have cables in the walls. If u already have a cable it’s easier to replace the wire

[@j340_official]

@@WillFuI fair point but it also depends on how the wiring is run in the wall. If it’s thru conduit that’s much easier than if the wiring is exposed and behind drywall.

[@WillFuI]

@@j340_official true

[@jodajackson4489]

Too right M8, my MikroTik CRS309-1G-8S+in doesn’t auto negotiate down to 2.5GbE necessitating manual configuration. Not sure if newer firmware changes this,…

[@fourthplanet]

I like it. I put 10GBE NICs (used from amazon) in my PC and my Synology NAS, works flawlessly.

[@daveg4417]

I recently upgraded most of my home office room's network to 2.5Gbe, three computers and the NAS. I looked at 10Gbe but it is simply too expensive from computer retailers in Canada, versus the amount that I would actually use it. The cost of network adapters and switches for 10Gbe vs 2.5Gbe are crazy here. X550 adapters are $300, X710 adapters are $500. Switches are up to $1000 or more. The prices are slowly coming down though. For me to run 10Gbe throughout my home though means upgrading my 20 year old wiring from Cat5e, which is doable but a pain.

[@OVERKILL_PINBALL]

even 10Gbps is "stone age" speeds in comparison to modern NVMe drives and even USB 3.2 Gen II+ drives. It is about time companies stop price gouging people on both switches and CAT6+. 10Gbps should have been mainstream 10 years ago...

[@zMeul]

RJ45 SFP+ modules get hot, quite very hot; my own Mikrotik gets to ~80deg C and the manual states it can reach 90 C under normal operation if you have to, get the RJ45 module(s), but you might wanna stick with fiber or DAC if the distance permits

[@LiLBitsDK]

the sfp+ switches are cheaper than rj45... and the converters get INSANELY HOT... and the cables aren't THAT expensive if you can stay in the "direct attach copper" ones.. but even the 10-20-30 meter optical ones aren't THAT expensive... for 10x the speed over a standard old rj45 cable

[@BrianJilgMusic]

Yes! Made the plunge tonight! How topical. Cannot wait to see how well it performs! Bought the Ubiquti USW-AGGREGATION.

[@johncalla2151]

I noticed you have a lot of hardware back there. Have you ever run across an enclosure or docking station that is exclusively for 7mm SSDs? Most of what I see out there is compatible with 3.5" drives but I'm looking for something as small as humanly possible. I have a stack of about 6-8 SSDs I'd like to put in a JBOD but I need it to be super-dense / small or otherwise it doesn't interest me. A stack of 8 SSDs is only 60mm tall so I'm looking for something that's designed for SSDs only. Maybe USB 3.2 connection.

[@kevbo2750]

Have been wrestling with this very question for a while. I keep coming back to the same answer: Wait until 10GbE equipment is less expensive and comes standard in more devices. I'm looking at you, Synology.

[@Bmagj2]

Exactly!

[@garynagle3093]

When I bought my QNAP nas, I purchased the 10gb card with nvme support as well just to be prepared for network and storage issues. Now I have an unmanaged 10gb switch too. PCs are still 1gb or 2.5gb until upgrade device to Thunderbolt connection. Hopefully the external 10gb adaptors will be cheaper!

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

3:16 Wait, what? Floppy discs are not being used anymore? How am I supposed to share my files with people at work?

[@ironfist7789]

I added 10gbe sfp+ to my desktop and server, but it had to use up the 2nd 16x pcie physical which is really just a 4x. I could have used regular copper ports but I needed to test the fiber in the house too. The main true x16 slot on the x570 boards I have to use for the GPU. Maybe the 1x slots (don't remember the exact amount) would work if the card was actually pcie 4.0 but the ones I see are either 2.0 or 3.0. I'd probably buy a USW-AGGREGATION for around 270.00 which has 8 sfp+, but I just connect the two computers directly with linux networking. I guess there are other cheaper brands though like showed.

[@DJaquithFL]

Our FiOS ISP offers 5/5Gbps ($155/mo) which is great if you need to backup e.g. a lot of 4K videos, but the cost for 10TB and up remote NAS storage is huge ($400~$600/yr) there are cheaper plans but read their fine print before commenting.

[@DJaquithFL]

The $150 QNAP QSW-2104-2T-A-US 6-Port 10GbE & 2.5GbE is not a bad price for an unmanaged switch.

[@thedeejlam]

Spank you for bringing me back to a Jerry Springer -- Dog rest his soul -- moment: 'You don't know me! You don't know me!'

[@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994]

Timely and for me an upgrade from EOP to my shack to 2.5G switches with a 10G SFP port at each end and a dedicated buried 40m CAT6A cable is in the works. Most of my gear is still Gigabit so it will be a nice bump. Out and out 10G for 90%+ of home or small business users is OTT 'yet'.

[@genrabbit9995]

Buying a PCIe network card is nice, but do you have the PCIe lanes? If your on Intel, as I understand it. You have 20 PCIe lanes. 16 for Graphic card, 4 for nvme. A Nic will share lanes with NVME drive. For Amd you have 24PCIe, 16 for graphic card, 4 for nvme, 4 you can use for what you want. As far as 2.5Gbe NIC on the motherboards is concerned they are in the trash category, and will never reach 2.5Gbe.(As far as I can tell)

[@chriscardwell3495]

Many thanks for the video . . . answer to your question . . . NOT QUITE TIME. There are now 16 port auto-negiotiation 10 Gbe network switches . . . they are very expensive. I agree auto-negiotiation would simplify the equipment upgades - less stress than an all-at-once solution. As a single user on a network - 10 Gbe would be useful when the network is busy with multiple large data transfer activities. Next step . . . 10Gbe computer network card and 10Gbe NAS network card . . . as an experiment

[@poglavicas]

I have a single Ryzen 4600G / 64GB RAM based VM host with total of 9 network interfaces (1 integrated + 2 addon cards with 4 ports each - one of them has 4 2.5Gb interfaces) acting as NAS, HTPC, Router, NVR, running multiple services. My internet connection is PON based 1Gbps/400Mbps. ISP provided ONT has only 1Gbe, so I "only" get 940/400Mbps. I have 2 workstations in home office, for now, they are connected with 2.5Gbe to that machine directly. That way both of them have 2.5G dedicated links to the NAS. The rest of the network is connected to 24 port 1Gbe managed switch from TP-Link. 2 bedrooms, 1 living room, garage (all rooms in the house have 2 CAT6 runs). 2 APs are inside both wifi 6, connected with 1Gbe each directly to VM host (Nas and router), 2 additional APs in front and back yard (2.4GHz 802.11n only) are connected to that 1Gbe switch. So far, 2.5Gbe has been enough when combined with my 1Gb internet connection, and pure HDD based NAS. 10Gbe will wait a little longer.

[@derekschommer1465]

I feel like this video was a year early lol. $109 for a nic/switch/dac cable and I’m putting 10gb in my hacked together nas I put together this month.

[@jacksoncremean1664]

this video just reminded me of how mind blowing it is that gigabit internet is starting to become ubiquitous, I still remember 5 years ago when I had 50/20 internet and now I have gigabit internet.

[@davidicusb]

6.5 years ago I had 2.5/0.3... now I get 14/2. One can only dream of 50/20 let alone gigabit!

[@charliewilson3234]

This guy can talk the horns of a goat.

[@TheMercifulKnight]

It's expensive to "NAT" at 10GbE and it won't catch on in the home until there's 10GbE in consumer or prosumer routers where NAT is the whole point. There's currently 0 options. Even in the Enterprise space 10GbE 'routing' with a Xeon is processor intensive and difficult. Not to mention standard FW rules. Still some time away.

[@BlownMacTruck]

Why would you use your internet router as a core switch? Mainstream internet speeds are not even close to 10g. NAT'ing at 10g is such a non-issue that I have to wonder if you have any idea of what you're talking about. And you should always decouple your core switching from external connectivity or end devices (which includes routers).

[@TheMercifulKnight]

​@@BlownMacTruck Please read my comment again, it's regarding 'More internet speed = need 10GbE.' In London 3GbE has been available for 3+ years. The best Ubiquiti router tops at 3.5 GbE routing. The point of my comment it seems you missed is to route at anything close to 10GbE is very difficult even at Enterprise. Nothing to do with Switching.

[@ironfist7789]

@@TheMercifulKnight Yeah I think the ubiquiti ones slow down even more depending on the rules you set too. I see the uxg-pro has 10g ports, but duno what it actually routes at

[@BlownMacTruck]

@@TheMercifulKnight Again, that makes no sense. By tying yourself to one device, you effectively hamstring your entire network to the whims of that device. It doesn't matter if your internet speed is above 1Gb or not. Internet speeds fluctuate and change rapidly. Switching infrastructure does not. Deal with them separaely.

[@jec_ecart]

I was thinking about. 100gbe. With all the inefficiencies of networking and blazing fast SSDs, it's far behind...

[@WillFuI]

My biggest problem is the 10g base t nics are expensive. I can get a 2.5g mic for $20 but a 10g was $100. But I’m getting cat6e cable and a 10g/2.5g switch for when those nics get cheaper

[@SimonLally1975]

I went 10Gb about 2017 and will never go back to 1Gb unless there is a catastrophic issue with my mikrotik 8 port (fsp+) I use it for many home lab environments such as servers and NAS for the purpose of GNS3, type 1 VM testing (Proxmox & ESXi) and server OS fun (Proxmox, ESXi, Truenas e.t.c. Linux stuff) I went for the intel x520-DA2 for NAS (compatible list for synology) and more intel 530 (I think) for HP servers and last part of the puzzle, for my PC and unRAID server Mellanox.

[@samer229]

Great vid. Would love a guide of the hardware needed to make this work. Thanks!

[@kwinzman]

No, the time for 10GbE in the home was 5 years ago. Now it's time for 25GbE :D

[@kenwilliams3279]

It is definitely time to consider making sure your network can handle at least 2.5GbE, even if you don't jump to 10GbE. For me running a home office running large numerical simulations, transferring 100's GB's between machines is getting a bit tedious on 1GbE. Here in New Zealand I can also get 4Gb/s internet at my residential address for $159NZD/month. Crazy hey!? The limitation is all of my PC's which only have 1GbE at the moment LOL. Yes, the internet is now faster than my computers!

[@pierrelambert446]

Your doing great video. My isp now provide 3gb. I was not expecting this kind of speed this soon in my home area. I am planing to upgrade my network backbone to 10gb. With mostly 2.5 gig ports for devices. One point is to get a good router/firewalls that can handle those speeds.

[@Bmagj2]

Damn 3 Gb?? Yep, you're most likely not in North America 😅

[@jon4715]

Ubiquiti released the Unifi Wall with 1gbe switching for $1000.

[@AM93000]

Your statement is weak. You completely ignore everything else the Unifi wall offers but just brought up 1gbe and the price for the sake of comparison. Also Unifi is Unifi, their products are physically appealing to many people just like Apple products. Some people are willing to pay for it

[@jon4715]

@@AM93000 I am just pissed that it only has 1gbe switching. It would be perfect for my situation, but the tech is 20 years old.

[@AM93000]

@@jon4715 what do you mean? The dream wall does have a 10gb spf+. If you want more 10gb, unifi has a bunch of switch models that you can choose from

[@hitardo]

To be honest, I still think that 10Gb equipment: a. Is too expensive; b. Runs too hot; c. Consumes lot more energy (considering b., it may increase your AC bill). Considering that a network is quite complex, one has to change all components to reach the full benefit. When considering that the 10Gb equipment is a. too expensive, one has to demonstrate a real advantage in order to make the move. This can be somewhat overcome / answered, e.g., by upgrading switches on key places, where traffic is quite high, and there will be benefits in (1) speeds, and - more importantly - (2) response time. But, there will be a lot of other bits that will not take full advantage - and there is no such thing as "future proofing" in technology. Moreover, this transition is further complicated with 2.5Gb and 5Gb offerings, which make it difficult to argue in terms of investment the full move to 10Gb. Despite me being pro moving to a full measure (of 10Gb) - instead of leaving it half way (2.5Gb and 5Gb) - I honestly think these half way measures will make everyone's task of shifting to 10Gb harder: - Product development will be cautious in making the jump; - OEMs will inundate the market with offerings at half way to widen their scope; - Resellers will have to think carefully in what to stock up; - Network maintainers will have to argue harder to get 10Gb instead of others; - Consumers will have to decide what to purchase, when they still have 100Mbps ports on their latest Smart TV. For my home, I will wait. 200€ for a switch is still too much to justify. At 60€ I will definitely do it, but at around 3.5 times the price... No.

[@marklewus5468]

You missed a couple of big downsides. First: many of us would have to completely rewire our houses. My house is wired with 10+ runs of ca. 2005 cat 5. I run gigabit and 2.5GBe over the 30 or so meters of run from my main switch. But I can’t do 10G. Second: I have maybe eight 5-port dumb switches scattered about and I would have to replace them all to upgrade. For me it’s more effort than it’s worth.

[@dilbertbyscottadams3771]

I wish we would be more concerned about latency than bandwith. Optical is the way to go, forget about about copper

[@ngenes1]

Unless you are running SSD on your NAS upgrade to 10Gbe otherwise you’re slowest wheel will ultimately dictate your speed transfer. A 7200rpm will still under utilize a 10GbE network.

[@Hansen999]

ZFS and a couple of dual actuator Seagate drives and you have saturated a 10Gbe connection. With the right setup it's rather easy.

[@keymonne]

I’ll wait till ubiquity NVR becomes a Nas drive

[@The_Alpha_Channel]

Just...............thank you.

[@nascompares]

Just............. you're welcome, bud!

[@whya2ndaccount]

Just waiting for the price of a 48 port, copper, managed switch to become sensible for home. A$8,000 isn't "sensible" yet.

[@PitboyHarmony1]

Whaja mean "You dont know my life" ... you hate seagulls ... thats all we need.

[@PabloTBrave]

For notmal people 10gbe is over kill for residential use, these are a few reasons why you may need it but they are very few and far between. It doesnt mean we wont all upgrade lol. Most people still use standard hdd not ssd transfer using wifi ( roku doesnt even do a hardwired device) with the free and crap broadband provided router which will be the bottleneck

[@DavidCNavas]

heh, I'm already using 25, and I'm wondering if I want 100 ;^/

[@syl764]

10GbE would be nice, but 2x 2.5GbE would have been fine. Synology screwed up on the current generation, but unfortunately they're still better than the competition (though fast trying to put people off with their proprietary tie ins). 10 GbE switches are expensive and need fans.

[@adriancoanda9227]

core i5t lol we on for workstation gringo 60p cores 128 l3 cache 10 gb it to less it will a bottleneck

[@paulbritton1436]

2035 Synology announces 2.5gbe. 😅

[@BlownMacTruck]

10GbE is dumb. Either go twinax or fiber, both of which are relatively cheap. Copper is stupidly hot and power hungry which translates to more expensive designs for both nics and switching equipment, and equipment that needs to take into account cooling, which means bigger components and less dense designs.

[@Вадим-к6ж8р]

All that internal network cards are chinese and made of old used chips. That's why they are more affordable

[@rhb.digital]

Not me as a private person with homelab. Totally useless and waste of money.. I still backup around 800GB each night with 3 Proxmox nodes on 1gbit. Dont see any use if it doesnt interfere with normal usage during normal work hours.

[@adriancoanda9227]

10Gb not worth it cause on big data centers like Microsoft and AWS they have from 100GB to 400GB network connections. at least 50 gb if you want to watch an 8k stream it needs 27GB/s bandwidth so 10GB is nothing for our today standards. and if you don't switch to optic fiber if your connection via copper it won't get over 1GB bandwidth because it will melt if you get a sfp transcoder to copper well you are bottlenecked