Is Our Universe Really 26 Billion Years Old? The Joe Rogan Experience

[@DrBrianKeating]

Did the Big Bang happen? 💥

[@RanjakarPatel]

आपको शर्म आनी चाहिए। आप प्रसिद्धि और क्लिक के लिए मशहूर महिला बन गई हैं।

[@hassanhijazi7257]

हाँ, मुझे उसके लिए बुरा लगता है। वह बहुत अधिक प्रयास कर रहा है। यह उनके सभी साथी पाकिस्तानियों के लिए अपमान की बात है।

[@RanjakarPatel]

@@hassanhijazi7257 yes my beauty. And how dare he disparage dear professor Gupta

[@rankoutsider2363]

No. We are and what we see is just an infinite expansion of the universe. My question is, what is the universe, what actually is ‘it’…!? Love your work btw Brian 🤜🏽💥🤛🏽

[@talkingmudcrab718]

Dunno. I wasn't there. I'll ask my dad.

[@mydestinicadventure]

Wow. 2023 and we’re still pretending like we know things? Ok.

[@jacklatta1890]

No man it’s 2024…I just looked

[@mattjohnson1775]

Yea buddy the arrogance Xs the ignorance is never factored in about these narcissist. How hard is it to just tell the truth and just say hey ...we have no fkn clue....we're all just guessn.

[@stickykitty]

2064: news flash the universe is 39 billions years old 2090: news flash the universe 45 billion years old Etc etc etc etc 🤣

[@HarryNicNicholas]

news flash, the universe is eternal.....well, the cosmos.

[@jonathontorres948]

And Christians will still be like….nah 6000 years old baby

[@stickykitty]

@@jonathontorres948 more so the Jewish folks Their actual time is based on it Go check it out something like 5700 something or other

[@Scion141]

And there'll be nothing wrong with that. Things aren't set in stone to be believed eternally. That's science.

[@stickykitty]

@@Scion141 did I say there was anything wrong ? Nope! 🤣 I'm Just merely mocking the cult that is "science" So wind your neck back in And stick your tampon back up your snatch 🤣

[@deltabravo1969]

Nobody knows how old the universe really is. We can only see as far as our telescopes allow us to see.

[@jamesdelcol3701]

The light bends and we can see out there, but not very detailed, yet. However, this lengthens the time organisms have had to live and die. A civilization could have been somewhere and already perished. We would just find the evidence of their end and the post-apocyliptic end also. They could have lived and died already as will happen on earth too. Some light never gets here. It is obscured by other things other huge bodies and dark matter. The star bloats as it is exploding and earth will be like a Chicken Nugget. We have 7 billion years to figure that one out. Mars isn't far enough out, we have to get somewhere further out that we can terraform. Elon's deep tunneling could make a facility so far under the soil in Mars, that the scorched surface only will provide chemicals and energy to be harnessed underground to human facilities. Don't do war and we'll figure it all out.

[@kghacks75]

*Ding* These so called "scientist" just make shit up to sound smart

[@mjschumacher100]

Cosmic microwave background?

[@CoIumbo]

@@mjschumacher100 there we go

[@chr1sph3r3lls3]

This Universe has existed for 76 Trillion years. Not sure about the other six.

[@jimalbi]

Joe is a good interviewer. I like that he takes a lot of good scientists on his show. He lets people talk and has good questions.

[@stevenman013]

Ok.

[@butterphli3z]

He's one of the leaders of free thinking. Hence why the mainstream attempts to criticize him and publicly shame him to convince the sheep population he's a bad guy for doing so.

[@28russ]

It often surprises me how good his questions actually are. Obviously he writes some down in advance but with the way he lets his guest just speak and answer those question points come up along the way as his show is like an evolving conversation. But he then questions those points with good questions that he must of come up with on the spot. And maybe Jamie thinks of some and sends him questions along the way as well. 🤷‍♂

[@adamJKpunk]

He’s kind of a moron lol.

[@WhopperKing-f1l]

I wonder if we get full access like live coverage of jest

[@sephrinx4958]

"The universe is 26 billion years old" "Oh word? Source?" "Trust me bro" .....

[@crunchynetto6979]

basically, almost all scientists 😂

[@andrewiglinski148]

If he tried to explain it like he discusses this with even undergrads close to graduating you would understand even less. Don’t blame him, blame the person that convinced you ‘you’ll never need this’.

[@pedrolopa2]

what? he literally explains the argument

[@firebush1343]

"I can explain it all just spot me one miracle" -The Standard Model

[@ivanleon6164]

nope, you dont read science source of knowledge, that is different.@@crunchynetto6979

[@Jdne199311]

if the Universe is 27 billion years old, the Fermi Paradox become way way more puzzling

[@SWOTHDRA]

Not really, we are an annomally , lukc upon luck upon luck, we are the first race , we are the ancients

[@Jdne199311]

@@SWOTHDRA yeah I like that ide

[@xChimkin]

i don't like that at all@@SWOTHDRA

[@donutsndeadlifts]

I feel that instead of luck it is much more likely that we are the product of design by a higher power.

[@PerpetualSmile]

@SWOTHDRA Or we are projecting our way of life on aliens. Why would aliens colonize the entire galaxy? Just because? We are about to have the ability to create simulations far grander than reality. Why explore the universe when we can create our own, with laws of nature of our choosing. I think believing we are the first is the height of hubris. There are a multitude of solutions to the Fermi paradox, only one of which is that we are literally the first species to understand astronomy.

[@oracleofpelham511]

The problem people have with "scientists" is that they always spoke with certainty that the universe was 13 billion yrs old. "We think" is all they need to say

[@tonyisnotdead]

scientists dont claim to be all knowing gods

[@abulrex_h4771]

@@tonyisnotdeadwhether they do or don’t we rely too much on their discoveries as it being the last piece of work for something of certainty and let’s be honest a lot of these scientists don’t want their egos broken

[@tonyisnotdead]

@abulrex_h4771 science is ever changing, but in turn the truth is getting clearer and clearer. As a result, it's just apart of science to accept theories and then accept newer improved theories in the face contradictory evidence. That's why we can be confident, because the more we discover, the more we are contradicted, the less we will be false about. Scientists are also a collection of diverse people from around the world, so bias gets naturally weeded out.

[@abulrex_h4771]

@@tonyisnotdead the more we discover the more we realize we dont know sht wdym

[@w1z4rd9]

@@abulrex_h4771 Yes. That has been the history of our mother nature. The history of the technology that allows you to type this shit. This is why religion exists, because a lot of humans are afraid of the unknown which is common so we can't blame them. But luckily we like adventure too so that's why we aren't doomed like a MF creating fantasy beings because they can't cope on what they don't understand.

[@jaylove5555]

“Let there be light!”… Bang!!!

[@gi4dtv230]

I always thought 13 billion was to low

[@hlbjk]

shut up please

[@kool4209]

Isn’t that the same number as Dr.stranges attempts ? 😂😂😂😂

[@happyapple4269]

Im willing to bet its always been there.

[@baronvonhoughton]

Too

[@martinchitembo1883]

@@happyapple4269 not possible because according to the laws of thermal dynamics it would have not life by now because of entropy.

[@donepearce]

Maybe our model of early galaxy formation is not correct. I think I would be looking at that in preference to doubling the age of the universe. Or rather, I would be wanting to study both.

[@saelaird]

Correct

[@crunchynetto6979]

it can never be correct, those scientists/phycisists were never there in the first place.

[@ThisIsTheIkeMaster]

They are exploring multiple possibilities - one proposed explanation for the discrepancy is that light could take longer to travel as it red shifts and therefore our calculation of the big bang occurring 13.8 billion years ago would be drastically wrong (or something like that) I didn't read the paper but I've seen some videos on it. For all we know there could be matter outside of what the big bang birthed, if our model for galactic formation is correct it makes more sense to me that the "too old" galaxies discovered started forming before the big bang than the light slowing down thing

[@Existidor.Serial137]

THIS. We seem to have black holes forming by themselves without collapsing stars in the early universe, so maybe things could be created faster then.

[@Theactivepsychos]

We’ve just got to stop thinking of the universe as being any sort of age and just look at it as how far back we can view it.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

i think keating (and i disagree with keating all the time) just told you, we KNOW the age of the universe to within decent limits. why are you making such an irrelevant comment?

[@Theactivepsychos]

@@HarryNicNicholas because they knew it was 14B last year and now they can “see” further it gets older. What about when they get gravitational waves resolution tighter. There’s a huge possibility they’ll see even further back. Then it’ll be older still. The “age” of the universe as we call it is simply the extent of our capabilities.

[@ItSpooling_]

@@Theactivepsychos no matter how far we look, we would still only see the CMB

[@Theactivepsychos]

@@ItSpooling_ if by “see” you mean light then you’re correct but… “The cosmic microwave background is the earliest back we can look with light,” Vigeland says. “Gravitational waves allow you to look even further back to earlier in the universe. It would allow us to see the universe earlier in its history than ever before.”

[@ItSpooling_]

@@Theactivepsychos we’d be able see farther then the Big Bang with gravitational waves?

[@Rahkvyo]

Dude said you can look at a 50 year old and tell their birthday within a week. I ain’t never heard nothin crazier

[@DJHoroZ1]

there is no prove that the universe is 26 or 8 billion years old, how is this measured? that is never been talked about. Ever looked in the old testament? the old history, that is written proof. also the geocentric flat earth is proven by natural laws of physics.... and yeah you are been payed... and by whom exactly?

[@newporttaylor2702]

If you are arguing that the earth is flat than anyone with half a brain will laugh at you. We have no proven much but proving that planets are spheres a million times over.

[@Jibbie49]

The YT channel of Anton Petrov (Hello, Wonderful Person) has 1.2M subscribers, because he explains math, science, and complicated subjects in simple to understand words. He always uses the latest scientific papers in his talks.

[@ThisIsTheIkeMaster]

Great channel

[@activistbook3809]

🎉

[@activistbook3809]

@@noway1303 someone gets there science news from Fox 😭😭

[@smears6039]

@@noway1303sorry but facts don’t care about your feelings 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Yankijs24]

Yup 👍🏻 been watching him for a few years, legit channel 👌🏻

[@morphixnm]

Good Lord Dr, Keating, no one KNOWS the age of the universe, one can only have and present selected evidence and reasons for a theorized age. Science 101, otherwise it all slides towards scientism. You should KNOW this!

[@mattk6719]

Well said. Regardless of which side one tends to lean (young vs old) the mass of evidence is the same for either side and comes down to how it is interpreted.

[@morphixnm]

@@mattk6719 Agreed!

[@brindlebriar]

You can't insist, without offering any reason why, that the source of conflict between the observed properties of galaxies and your model of how they formed during the time since the big bang, can only be due to a fault in the understanding of how galaxies form and not in the time allotted, in which for them to form. I mean you can _say_ it, but it's not logical. Logic leaves both options on the table. Perhaps you have good reason to rule out option 2, but which you didn't have time to share. That's understandable. But to just throw such sloppy non-logic at the public, because we're not gonna get it anyway, as if we are pigs, is insulting. You should tell us the truth whether or not we'll understand it, as a sacred duty. Or leave science communication to someone willing. And that makes me want to point out, also, that Logic _also_ suggests that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, _in general_ if your largest model is making false predictions - such as of galaxies are forming 2x as fast as your model allows. And if that's the case, it's logical, by extrapolation to arrive at a a sense of _general_ dubiousness regarding EVERYTHIGN that you think you know. _You_ should arrive at that sense of dubiousness. I don't know why you and your fellows don't. This history of science is a cascade of generations of people who were extremely confident, and all quite wrong, as observed by each successive generation. Yet the confidence renews itself each time. I've never, in my life, encountered anything that makes it clear to me, that you know whether the universe is a thousand, 13 billion, 26 billion, or a zillion zillion zillion years old. It seems all a framework of presumptions, to me. For example, you measure the rate of something and extrapolate backwards. But how do you know that the rate is constant? How could you ever know that? No amount of not seeing it fluctuate can tell you that it doesn't fluctuate on a larger time frame with a high probability. When I look around at the small part of the universe _I_ can observe, all rates seem to fluctuate. Parsimony suggests, therefore, that rates fluctuate. What proof do your fellows have, therefore, that the constant rates they believe in, are indeed constant? How do you know that _time_ is even constant? Doesn't space-time bend in proximity to mass? And isn't space time quite possibly not even real, as I'm hearing from your fellows? It seems to be going the way of matter, God, free-will, gravity, and just about everything but taxes. And yet, you can sit there in supreme confidence telling us you're sure how much of 'a bent nothingness that might not exist except as illusion,' there has been between hypothetical event A, and the present. I wonder what could induce a wavering of such faith, if anything.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

tl;dr there's a reason this is a video channel. you could be right, i'll never know.

[@eliflynn7282]

I love how people think they know everything. As a species we are wrong 99% of the time about everything but we think we're smart.

[@crunchynetto6979]

ikr, with scientists/phycisists they always believe what they said as the truth, when they were never there in the first place to observe everything. Even with things we can observe, still there are things that incorrect or inaccurate.

[@ThisIsTheIkeMaster]

We're the smartest thing we know, but we could be the dumbest civilization in the universe lol.

[@crunchynetto6979]

@@ThisIsTheIkeMaster if we are the only civilization in the universe, we would still be dumbest anyway…

[@bushmonster1702]

The only thing humans can be sure of knowing is that we know nothing.

[@cryingalone7572]

I bet you belive the earth is flat

[@underSTATEDexcellence]

James Webb has proved the 13 Billion is far too low of an estimate.

[@oessh9611]

We haven’t proved anything? What are you talking about. We don’t know how old anything is. It could be 100mil lion years only we have no clue. It’s like carbon dating on earth can only go back what 2000-4000years. Humans aren’t made to understand the universe. We where made to be slaves.

[@ThisIsTheIkeMaster]

How? If you mean by finding the galaxies that are too old, then there are a few explanations as to why. One is that you're right, and light slows down as it red-shifts (or something like that) meaning the universe is likely that 26 billion years old or whatever it was. Another is that our model of galaxy formation is faulty and those galaxies are being improperly judged and could've formed in such a short period of time. I like the idea that there was matter before the big bang and those galaxies are too old for the big bang bc they started forming before it.

[@andrewiglinski148]

@@ThisIsTheIkeMasterwell when people are supporting theories on what some uneducated m0r0n on KZbin thinks we’ll reach out.

[@efeocampo]

The Multiverse (only hypotesis that can explain everything) is ETERNAL and INFINITE and ultimately the true, unavoidable, only "God" as the Only Source ("Creator") of everything that exists or we believe exists ! Not an extremely low level, imperfect, human-like "God", a human Concept, "Creator" of imperfect things. A Multiverse (Set of Universes) remains a SINGLE UNIVERSE composed of multiple universes (like ours, which could exist inside a Massive Black Hole - who can prove otherwise? -), each with itsown laws and forms or expressions, ETERNAL and INFINITE that is continuously TRANSFORMING or evolving and manifests itself in many, infinite different ways, whatever they are called or perceived by us: Human Beings, Animals, Rocks, Water, Fire, Air, Planets, Asteroids, Suns, Stars, Galaxies, Clusters (of Galaxies), Quasars, Black Holes, Dark Energy, Dark Matter, Singularities, etc... The Universe or Multiverse only transforms as it is PURE ENERGY... Remember Einstein's proven equation: E = mc2, which shows that E, Energy, is the same as mass (or what we believe or perceive as "solid" matter) multiplied by the square of the speed of light, a very large number. Or put another way, what we believe to be "matter", what we can "touch" is actually PURE ENERGY somehow interconnected with the rest of the Universe or Multiverse. If you think you can "touch" matter, use an ever increasingly powerful microscope: Body, cells, molecules, atoms... And do you think you can see or "touch" an atom? NO ! It has subparticles: Electrons, protons, neutrons... And do you think you can see or "touch" them? NO ! They in turn include other quantum untouchable "particles" that are elusive... because they are PURE ENERGY! Ask the scientists of CERN Accelerator in Switzerland... It is impossible to prove it because it is and will be far beyond our limited intellectual and technological capabilities, but it does not make sense that the Multiverse or God, however you prefer to imagine it has a Beginning or an End in time... or any physical LIMIT. What can lie BEYOND the "physical limit" of the Multiverse? Well, ANOTHER Universe or type of Universe. That is, we would be facing a new Multiverse. And what could have existed BEFORE the BIG BANG? Well, another Universe or Multiverse... And once ours cools down (which is what is happening with ALL the stars burning their limited nuclear energy source) and perhaps it WILL COLLAPSE into a SINGULARITY or Black Hole and then maybe (Who could prove it or refute it?) give rise to another "Big Bang". That is, our Universe is... ETERNAL And most importantly: That Universe or Multiverse is... GOD or "Creator" of everything we observe! A God who does not reward, punish, monitor or "prefer" anyone. "He" does not condemn anyone to suffer eternally in "hell" (which does not exist!). A God not concerned about anyone, much less these imperfect human beings, absolutely insignificant: INSIGNIFICANT for the Earth, in turn insignificant for the Solar System, this one for the Milky Way Galaxy, totally insignificant for a Cluster of Galaxies, and this Cluster, insignificant for the known Universe and perhaps for a Multiverse, which is the most likely "thing" that exists. So, forget all those fears or feelings of "guilt" (of WHAT?) that you learned or were brainwashed since you were a child, convince yourself there is NO afterlife (where to?) because all of our cells DIE and desintegrate into dispersed molecules and then "atoms" that eventually will disperse randomly and help create, combined with others, new stars that will in turn "die", collapse and explode as super novas releasing new atoms to create new stars...and... ENJOY your LIFE... or "delusion" of life... or whatever it is...👍 !

[@Sugarkraft]

Big Bang is antiquated to me. It’s silly.

[@snatchhog]

You would know

[@chrimony]

A bit of sweeping the problem under the rug there. And you didn't answer Joe's question.

[@aceman42]

So what is before the universe? 😆😆😆

[@a-terrible-fate532]

Our methods of dating are way off

[@retiefgregorovich810]

I thought the man's theory that the universe was more likely 26 B rather than 13.8 Bil years old was that the newest detector, forgot what its name is, detected galaxies at the end of its range that were far too developed for the universe to be only 13.8 Bil years old.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

i think you have the answer to the problem - you heard something about something that you're not sure you heard right from a person whose name you can't remember. the trick is to find out BEFORE you make the comment.

[@Heathcliff1848]

Theyre essentially correct though. They just forgot the name of JWST.

[@CERWINVEGAredRING]

@@HarryNicNicholas you don’t have the ability to read yet make such comment. Ironic

[@AncientAli3n777]

@@CERWINVEGAredRINGIf he replied to his comment, is evident he does know how to read. Tragic.

[@hellothere4431]

@@HarryNicNicholas thats why he left the comment, to perhaps find out from a community forum. your social skills are clearly underdeveloped based on how old you look in your pfp

[@BandAsh]

What is a year? Lol

[@willywonka4340]

you can theorize all you want, but if it doesn't survive scrutiny through experimentation, then it's wrong!

[@dr.hairbrain1486]

just means it has been proven right, not that its wrong

[@willywonka4340]

@@dr.hairbrain1486 fair enough

[@dr.hairbrain1486]

@@willywonka4340 i meant hasnt been proven right sorry

[@willywonka4340]

@@dr.hairbrain1486 yeah I know 😆

[@TheGodOfVictory]

I mean of course. Experimentation wouldn't happen without the theory though.

[@terrencetysor9956]

Never understood how scientists can prove a time period before our understanding of time was made up. It's like the spoon of ocean metaphor. How can you prove what exists in the ocean from a small sample of it.

[@chopshop523]

Truth is that we don’t know and probably will never know how old the universe is!!!

[@mattlu5493]

Exactly

[@MichaelAMyers1957]

There’s literally no way to prove any of it, but yet people will get in full blown arguments over the age of earth or space lmao. It’s pathetic.

[@chocopuddingcup83]

@@MichaelAMyers1957 Ehhhh, there's a massive difference between saying the earth is 4.6 billion years old and saying the earth is 6000 years old. Some people are just loony.

[@MichaelAMyers1957]

@@chocopuddingcup83 6000 years is a pretty damn long time though. I mean we really have no idea. I would say it’s been around longer than 6000, but I have no proof, just like anyone else

[@chocopuddingcup83]

@@MichaelAMyers1957 It's not an A or B. It's one has demonstrable evidence for it and the other is complete pseudoscience and bullshit.

[@Tikaydo]

We feel earthquakes . Damn i can feel the wind blowing on my face . Somehow we cant feel this ball we live on spinning thru the galaxy . Ppl get common sense.

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

It's mind-blowing to think there are red dwarf stars out there as old as the universe itself!

[@SzTz100]

what are your sources?

[@Cheeched]

Just wait till humans finally release footage of leaving earth on a constant live feed for the first time in history.... Or are you all still ignoring they have never shown space travel footage period?

[@EarthsMysterieswithKenKay]

it doesn't make sense, it's contradictory to everything they have been talking about, because most of their theories are wrong. no more than a child looking up at the sky and trying to tell you why it's blue, just a lot of guessing.

[@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan]

@@Cheeched Tell me you are from the US without saying you are from the US xD

[@xan4288]

@@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhanhe is acting alone don’t worry lol

[@Puzzoozoo]

The further we get to see galaxy's, the older they are, if the JWS or ELT sees a galaxy 15 billion light years away, it'll mean the universe is over a billion years older then the current date. Same in a future date if a galaxy was found 20 billion lightyears away ...

[@coffee_drinker2912]

Yep. Double it. In ten years, make it 46 B. Just keep going. lol

[@cristianh.5133]

Double it and give it to the next person.

[@alex79suited]

You don't know how old the vacuum space is. Your big bang theory is incorrect respectfully. You believe what you like but reality just doesn't match up. Peace ✌️ love the Balloon. Unfortunately, the vacuum space isn't a 2d surface.

[@shaun906]

ohhh i didnt know about this!

[@sgolan79]

Aren't we now fairly certain the speed of light isn't constant, which makes estimations of the age of the universe based on light completely unreliable

[@kevinolson1851]

I am no scientist but I have a REALLY hard time thinking anyone can say how old our planet is let alone the universe..

[@loucontino4804]

Especially since, they don't even know how many hairs are on their own head.

[@Slayer8957]

@@ConontheBinarian you dont need any grounding science. they calculate how old the universe is by how far its expanding. but you cant see past 15 billion light years away. so we will never know the actual size of the universe, although its been estimated to be over 90 billion light years wide. and then they reverse calculate to the speed at which the universe is expanding, claiming its just fast enough to make it come out to be 13 billion and some change years old. but again, we will never know until we can truly see the end of the universe and observe the true rate of expansion.

[@lewcy]

@@ConontheBinarian end of the day we all just think we have an understanding of things. Scientists aren’t doing anything but making guesses

[@Physics072]

And that is why you are not a scientist. Its a tag than anyone gets it has to be earned through years of schooling and performance testing. You would understand it if you read about the history. You would understand how a cell phone is made if you had a tour start to finish of a factory and spoke with some engineers and scientist on the process.

[@Slayer8957]

@@Physics072 Engineers arent scientists, and scientists arent engineers. The fact that you conflate the two is fucking stupid.

[@jw1415]

Would be quite a pickle if we discover that there was no big bang, that the universe has been her forever, and that our galaxy is just a small area of it...

[@TheAlgorath]

The multiverse theory out of Chapel Hill suggests the big bang is just one of many and we might be able to see ripples from others

[@mattk6719]

The eternal universe theory was dispelled a long time ago. Had it been eternal, there would be no life, no stars, nothing. Why? Because an infinite amount of time has passed and heat death has occurred. There should be no spiral arms in galaxies, stars still burning, rings around planets, or comets remaining unmelted if that much time has passed.

[@jw1415]

@@mattk6719 sounds good...my perspective of continual doubt is based on the consistent hubris of humans believing we have it all "figured out", only to repeatedly reverse course based on new "evidence" to the contrary.

[@thairish5053]

Our universe is so old that we can not comprehend it in our head.

[@berkertaskiran]

It's actually pretty young. No red dwarf star has even reached maturity yet since the beginning of the universe.

[@MARILYNANDERSON88]

It's old as dust

[@georgewade9748]

funny how time will be coming to and end soon......Eternity is timeless

[@griffith500tvr]

In your head

[@jamie49868]

Every time we develop ways to see further, we find more and adjust the age of the universe upward. Why would we ever assume we have figured out the age of a yet undiscovered endless universe? At best we should say "with what we currently know, we believe the age to be X."

[@SAMTHINKS2]

I thought the job of all scientists was to prove things wrong. That's what I remember from elementary school.

[@robertd9965]

What a bunch of crock. We don't know anything about the beginning of the universe - and being human, we never CAN know anything. All of this "knowledge" is merely based on axioms, formulas and more axioms. So, basically, we're just making up stuff, piling assumption upon assumption, meanwhile calling it "science". Unbelievable.

[@Yellowpuma01]

There is no beginning of time, only our ability to perceive time.

[@bowieupland6112]

That is a faith statement.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(*⌒３⌒*) The universe was created in 1976. It is too hot to make a universe at the time of the big bang. It can be created at anytime. God is slow and easy. A human can do a lot with their lifespan. I got the hunk. God got the chunk. Everyone else can have the rest. That is song spirit of '76 by The Alarm.

[@gravyd316]

Personally I think it's possibly much, much older. Once we develop the tools we'll find out just how much older it is

[@ItSpooling_]

We strongly suspect it’s much older. CMB was never considered the beginning. Not sure where this misconception comes from

[@Jmexxu]

@@ItSpooling_ But the CMB is when particles started binding and jumping in existance, that's the radiation, and that's about 13.4 billion years old, so you're spouting nonsense, that's what, we don't strongly suspect that one eye oda, the James Webb Space Telescope has found that galaxies formed earlier than expected, the age of the universe doesn't change. because the particles on the big bang model take a couple hundered million years of expanding to cool based on all the matter exists, that size, retracted all the way to abig bang model to where then it started by forming Hydrogen. So the CMB is considered reaaaaly close to the beginning for a reason, stop talking about it if you know absolutely nothing about it. People need to stop the cap urgently.

[@norton2757]

It has no beginning and no ending……It will continue this forever. Think about how many people inhabited the earth before we were born? Think about how many more people will be here on the earth after we are dead and gone. The galaxies do the same thing…… There have been more galaxies with life than we could imagine even before the current galaxies existed and there will be life on planets in galaxies forever after earth and the Milky Way galaxy have gone but you only live once and upon your departure you will return to the same state you were in before your arrival and there you will remain forever.

[@ItSpooling_]

@@Jmexxu cool. Tell that to the astrophysicists that strongly agree the universe was there before the Big Bang.

[@itsascaryworld9788]

I doubt we will ever find out. At least not us. Not in our future.

[@happyapple4269]

Im willing to bet its always been there .

[@mikhaelis]

Dyson spheres are the stupidest energy concept ever.

[@christophermullins7163]

Dyson swarms are the absolute most logical future for a civilization sufficiently advanced to harness the starts output.

[@adrianaslund8605]

Im thinking the universe might be cyclical. Maybe the vacuum of space has always been here. But matter expands from somewhere. And then when complete heat death happens. There might eventually be another expansion of matter somehow. Don't know how. Or from where.

[@Madosatoshist]

We can only see the visible universe, not before it was opaque. The 13.8 Bil years old is derived by reversing the observed extension of the universe, we reach a point where all matter must have been compacted into a single point. But we don't really know why it started expanding.

[@berkertaskiran]

We kinda do. Inflation explains it. But we don't fully understand everything about it.

[@iLLa_SkriLLa]

Theres a chance theres more to it than what we currently can observe. If the next telescope is more powerful, it may discover more distance observations and it would change todays models. Universe is thought to infinite.....thats pretty far....might be way more beyound what we can observe today.

[@n8_b_h]

Think they know. Which they obviously don’t know. Some things the scientists won’t question. Like religionists. Which they are. Cmon Brian. All paradigms can and should be questioned.

[@CreepsCompilation]

Halton Alp called this out decades ago and then was canceled by the high priests defending their faith

[@glennswart1487]

Amen brother

[@benjamintrevino325]

Canceled? How was he canceled?

[@SubparFiddle]

More people need to know about Halton Arp and his ideas about red shift, expansion

[@MrCrazyrob666]

​@@benjamintrevino325 well I've just heard about him in this comment however I'll wager the high priests were protecting "the science" and this man was essentially burned at the stake by being attacked in public and having his reputation destroyed

[@benjamintrevino325]

@@MrCrazyrob666 well you'd be wrong on both counts.

[@XconsigliereX]

OUTERSPACE IS NOT REAL YOU INSOLENT FOOLS!

[@dbld1177]

What if there's something about time dilation that you aren't considering. Your basis is defined by our definition of what the speed/rate of time is. Maybe we need to think about understanding the relationship between space, time, and our world's particular makeup and position in the diverse universe....

[@celdur4635]

They take it into account, by studying how light behaves, that was part of Einstein's breakthrough.

[@kylecampbell1532]

Sounds like you're regurgitating things you've heard but don't fully understand. Spacetime IS taken into account. Time, the measurement we use is different than spacetime, and is not taken into account, because its not technically real, like a centimeter or an inch isn't technically real.

[@dbld1177]

But what if there is a constant that is ever changing, till we know that, we can't measure precisely....

[@bigtone7824]

What 😂

[@kylecampbell1532]

@@dbld1177 Read what you just said over and over and over again, as many times as you need to, until you slap your forehead in disbelief

[@neohippe1]

We just gonna keep making shht up , long as tech gets better, and we find new specs of light …. To build a whole new convoluted story about how we came to this conclusion!-$

[@SzTz100]

Well that was a clear answer.

[@johndutchman]

exactly

[@philipfontaine8964]

The human ego is probably bigger than the universe! Experts huh? Where did the Big Bang happen? Where is the center of the universe, if there is one. Where is earth in the universe? Like we know huh. Asserting beliefs is not science.

[@markberman6708]

Love how Dr Keating elaborates things in a simple form. Great clip.

[@santacruzfitnessofficial]

Exactly. Unlike jeremy corbell.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(^з^)-☆ This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.

[@vsportsguy]

What this really tells me is they have no idea how old the universe is. If you're close to the answer, you don't all of sudden double it.

[@CephasRock-ml7gs]

@spacejamzyt6461 they are guessing. The data they have it’s all guess work.

[@usmh]

What the hell? This was one guy who went against what everyone else thinks. You can't just ditch common knowledge and say "They have no idea!" cus of one guy.

[@andrewiglinski148]

@@CephasRock-ml7gsWell I guess if I wanted to justify my shocking lack of academic achievement ‘they’re just guessing’ is a good way to do it.

[@chappy48]

The age of the universe is pretty nailed down. What this whole video is referring to is our models of galaxy formation. Our estimates for the age of the universe are not based on galaxy formation models, so as he said, one does not effect the other. From my understanding of what the paper they are referring to said is that if the model used in the paper is correct then it should take much longer for the early galaxies to form and match what we see. However, that just means there is a problem with the model they used. Other papers have come put that change some of the parameters (Including more high mass stars, etc) and it explains the data we are getting and matches up with how the early galaxies formed in the shortened timeline.

[@stevenshumate3430]

You disparage Tyson (Phd in Astrophysics)and Cox (Phd in Physics)but ask Elon Musk (bachelor in Physics)his opinion on cosmology. That's rich. Seems to be a bias

[@dangremaus1164]

I’ve asked this same question. 1) Considering the cosmic web of galaxies and 2) The complexities of the galaxies themselves, I think that took a lot more time to arrive at this point.

[@RayDoneRaydon]

Lol

[@65stang98]

great comment much added to convo @@RayDoneRaydon

[@whocares1631]

Why are there numbers in your paragraph

[@depletable]

…

[@yeetyeet7729]

@@whocares1631 that's not a paragraph

[@user_James_Foard]

One definition of time is that it is the measurement of the relative motion between two or more objects. Of course time can also be measured by decay, fermentation processes, transference of heat and aging. However, for this discussion, let us stick to the first definition. Well, if a year is defined by the mean distance that the earth rotates around the sun from point A to point B divided into roughly 360 days of the earth spinning on it's axis during that period of rotation, and if the earth is only approximately 5-6 billion years old, a year couldn't logically be defined before the formation of the earth, for there we have no standard of measurement, no guideline to determine how long a year could be before the earth-sun dynamic existed, thus prior to the earth's existence for a year to exist in time and space provided by the above definition was not possible, ipso facto there is no way to measure the age of the universe before 5-6 billion years ago in terms of years, since that unit of measurement was not in existence before the earth existed, thus 26 billion years is undefinable.

[@DrDeuteron]

What I can’t believe is non experts care about galaxy formation. That was just not a cool field back on the day

[@danfurtado9158]

Are you in academia? Blue collar but I find pretty much everything in astronomy fun to learn about.

[@DrDeuteron]

@@danfurtado9158 it’s cool, but I’m talking professional. It’s just didn’t same that interesting, compared to gamma ray burst, blackholes, magnetars and so on. Ofc this was before JSWT and real supercomputing addressing dynamics, and the detailed maps of structure….they were in their infancy.

[@marcosamaral9658]

It doesnt make Sense. You cannot change models and estimatives because of data you don't agree with? Is any model absolutelly right? If the data show something different, can we try new models and approaches? To me it means that we don't know, just that. As we don't know how old the universe is.

[@rod253]

My personal belief is that no human who can live barely live 100 years knows how old the universe is. It's all theories and mine yours is just as good

[@Raiddd__]

Why would anyone care about your baseless personal belief? My personal belief is that you’re exactly wrong and we know exactly how old the universe is. Great. Do our views cancel out now or something? If not, what was the point of speaking?

[@benm.724]

It depends what you mean when you say our universe. We live in a small pocket of an infinite space which is most likely full of infinite small pockets. It's age is beyond our small understanding.

[@Jordofunk]

When a scientist says “X CAN be true if it’s in the right context,” then you know they’re just making shit up

[@The_Real_Indiana_Joe]

They are having trouble because they have removed God from their equations. The periodic table of elements with all the molecules and compounds that can be made, ALL BY ITSELF, is beyond the realm of chance. But life is exponentially less likely. I have seen the chances of the first cell, spontaneously coming into existence at 1:1x10^40,000. For comparison, the estimated number of SUB atomic particles in the entire universe is 1x10^256 (and that's on the high end of estimates). Some people think God doesn't exist because there is no proof, but they don't stop to think, That if He does exist, then He obviously has hidden Himself. Probably for a reason. A lesson maybe.

[@michaeljorgensen790]

The age of the universe depends on your point of view. A simple analogy would be if you could travel as fast as a photon. Did you travel from the nearest star in 4.3 years....or did you get here instantly? It depends on your point of view. Space expands in a universe of fixed intervals of time is wrong. Space-time expands in a universe in which all 4 dimensions are expanding.

[@ron_h8908]

I'm still confused on how if we have only seen a cup of water from the oceans worth of space, how does anyone even theorize when the universe was created, or the big bang or anything else... Doesn't seem to be enough information looking in basically one direction..

[@Rocket9944]

A cup?, more like a pin drop.

[@iLLa_SkriLLa]

Its like doing blood splatter forensics. U put strings on the splatter and direction and pull them back to a common point. How we can calculate that and observe it, seems crazy to me. Since we have only been working on it for a short amount of time vs how old the universe is believed to be.

[@realeyezrealizerealliez3095]

Lets look back in time.....with a telescope and some cgi .... Tellin some oztrages numvers .... Science...

[@johnwayne1464]

Admit it, they have no idea how old the universe is and it has probably been around forever.

[@motley331]

I think mankind (in some other form) will look back on this point in history/time and will realize JRE was the biggest PSYOPS of our time.

[@pulsar22]

The authors of the 26B year old universe is saying that astronomers' model of red shift is wrong. That both speed and distance affect red shift and not speed alone. Actually, if the doppler effect on sound is the same as the doppler effect on light then this could be true. See how a lightning that strikes near you is a high pitched crack but a lightning several kilometers away is a low rumble?

[@DrDeuteron]

The Doppler shifts are not the same , and one light is understood

[@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan]

But we know why it is a rumble .... ah I see .... you don't

[@rushyscoper1651]

​@@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhanit have to do with the shockwave not Doppler effect, light doesn't cause shockwave.

[@992ras]

Doppler effect on sound on earth doesn’t work in space but frequencies do. sound is nothing more then a frequency of molecules, sound is nothing but compressed air. Doppler effect on sound is why you hear sound in your left ear while the sound actually generated from the right side, Doppler effect has to take into account what is around that sound to change the sound and its frequencies. Also Lighting and the sound would fit into general relativity E=MC^2 the Energy and mass is the light at light speed times 2 the sound is the Energy and mass not at light speed so the light is two times as fast as the speed of sound. So if sound travels at rate of 1,000 miles per square foot that makes the lighting travel 2 times the speed. So if you divide that it takes half time for the light to travel the same distance as the sound does.

[@DrDeuteron]

@@rushyscoper1651 the shockwave appears at singularity in Doppler's original formula.

[@PlanetJimmer]

Why do scientist have such a hard time admitting they are wrong, admitting that there is so much more for them to learn? It is quite possible there was "a universe" in existence prior the the big bang (which we know happened with high probability) and the large well formed galaxies the JWTS detected are some of them.

[@red8884]

You explain everything so well and so clear and without the patronizing like Neil D Tyson. I love it and i hope you will do monthly AMA's

[@bruno2235]

I question everything Neil D Tyson says anymore

[@EarthsMysterieswithKenKay]

Tyson is on the wrong side of everything. desperately hanging on to the old science dogma. being closed minded is a hindrance, in the search of truth.

[@kylecampbell1532]

@@EarthsMysterieswithKenKay People forget that having a mind so open that your brain falls out is also a massive hindrance

[@EarthsMysterieswithKenKay]

@@kylecampbell1532 then you have nothing to worry about.

[@nutbastard]

NDT and Kaku both are anti-science in the sense that they believe we know some things for certain - big emphasis on “believe”. They treat established science as a religion that is not to be questioned or doubted or challenged. Now, they are correct that until something is disproven it is prudent to treat it as fact, but those two don’t even seem to want to entertain any conjecture or hypothesis that contradicts the scientific consensus. Science doesn’t run on consensus and in fact, consensus is what slowed scientific progress historically.

[@lordwhite0]

It could have no age, no beginning, and no end, and the singularly they calculated was there in the past could just be a misunderstanding or error due to limited knowledge. As black holes are also apparently singularities. I don't know. The universe is pretty neat.

[@miyu545]

Comparing Cox to Neil is like comparing Einstein to the host of jeopardy.

[@Tony11442]

No not really. They are pretty similar. Cope.

[@terreJackson]

ur racism is showing. Neil did a phd at colombia....much harder then phd at brown

[@paulachenkonobert3802]

If you want to understand science and how much of it we actually comprehend what is around us, Ask for science to predict tomorrow's weather even at 50% correctly for five days in a row, four times a year.

[@desireco]

He called Neal de Grasse a scientist....?! maybe ex-scientist

[@georgewade9748]

Isaiah 45:12 “It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens with My hands And I ordained all their host.

[@rankoutsider2363]

Damn we are so unique us humans, not only us but every living aspect on our little blue planet… ..in the context of the universe we should all be holding that fact close. We are it.

[@christophermullins7163]

Yeah right lmao 😂 that's sad you think we are it. We(you and I) got lucky to be here in a technological revolution but life is all over the universe and has been for billions of years.

[@phutureproof]

@@christophermullins7163 show me

[@Cheeched]

@@phutureproof Hang on Nasa and the peds in gov just showed a CGI video on the moon with 10 minutes of 144p videos, and some 100% CGI photos from a telescope.

[@norton2757]

Joe has these talking heads who are telling you the latest we have on the age of what we can see……we are looking through a pin hole compared to what exists beyond our ability to see. Life has always existed in the galaxies and planets that have come and gone before the Milky Way and earth ever existed. Life will continue to exist throughout the universal galaxies planets forever but you only live once and upon your departure you will return to the same phase you were in before your birth where you were completely unaware of your own existence and in this cocoon of peace you will remain forever…..IMO✌🏻

[@MERCURYSUNSET]

Scientists have no idea about the age of the universe. The Methuselah star is older than the universe that created it .

[@MHG796]

Meth use lah?

[@thepeadair]

The age of Methuselah has not been estimated as older than the universe.

[@MERCURYSUNSET]

@@thepeadair Yes it has and it still is .

[@wolowolowolowolowolowolowo2417]

@@MERCURYSUNSET The Methuselah star has a calculated age of 14.45 ± 0.80 billion years, with the plus of minus 0.80 billion years accounting for measurement errors such as parallax, meaning that the star could've form as much as over 120 million years after the Big Bang. It's not even that special of a star, as we are pretty sure older ones are out there :/

[@MERCURYSUNSET]

@@wolowolowolowolowolowolowo2417 The measurement error allowance is troubling because it just reinforces the reality that astronomers employ a lot of guess work in their calculations .It leaves Methuselah on either side of the birth of the universe according to them. When it was first discovered it took years to get an estimate and by the early 2000's the age range for it was actually closer to 16 billion years ,which took it to 2 and a half billion years older than the universe . The fact that scientists had to keep working at this dilemma has to be biased to a certain degree because they were finding & figuring out how it can be as old as it is and yet young enough to be birthed before the big bang.

[@mackcarlo]

Humans concept of time is totally different to other beings so no. Call it whatever fancy number you want but we don’t perceive it the same way as other beings.

[@Jeremy-th5pt]

At the age of 19 I took a flight to Florida, when the plane ascended I looked down at the earth and it looked like a computer chip. All the roads, buildings, houses, grids, squares of green grass, telephone wires, cars, etc. It looked exactly like a little computer chip. At the time it didn't occur to me, although I thought it was extremely peculiar and disorienting, but now it feels like maybe we are in a simulation. What are the odds that our own habitat, the stuff we've built all around us, looks like a computer chip? Something so small and sophisticated? It's just really weird to me.

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

It's called pareidolia, humans can't help but see things that way.

[@hassanhijazi7257]

Liar

[@RanjakarPatel]

My sweetie, please no make fake story four attention. Man need be strong and make honesty my dear. Not to write this strange essay that never happen my lovely

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

@@hassanhijazi7257 How his he lying 🤣, he's simply saying that our civilization resembles a computer chip and in many ways it does. Many scientists and other philosopher's have said the same thing 🙄.

[@Jacob-ed1bl]

@@RanjakarPatel He's simply pointing out the resemblance between our civilization and a computer chip looking alike and they do, many professionals have mentioned this 🙄. Your lack of intelligence is astonishing sweetie 🤣.

[@JudeSpurlin-pg7ri]

How can the electromagnetic field still exist if the earth is even one billion years old? According to the second law of thermodynamics is true, everything would have been reduced to chaos long before 3.5 billion years.

[@marreromichael1726]

Nobody knows but we are going to guess anyway. 😂 “It’s a gazillion years old and expanding” What if it’s recycled not expanding 😳 woah!

[@ColdWarVet607]

14-30 billion yrs old, but how many Big Bangs have there been? All this has happened before, all this will happen again.

[@patricksagraves1230]

His model doesn't have enough information to make an accurate age. We know next to nothing about the universe. And to say with authority that you know how old it is, with very little information, is arrogance at its finest.

[@thatisabsolutelykooooge2211]

There was no beginning and there will be no end. Everything has and always will be transitional.

[@Mayhamsdead]

Can you back up your claim with a peer-reviewed paper?

[@thatisabsolutelykooooge2211]

@@Mayhamsdead I don’t need other people to confirm my beliefs especially when they can’t even define what a beginning and end is…in fact, they can’t even define what “nothing” is. So if you can’t define “nothing”**, that means it doesn’t exist and therefore, in regards to a beginning and end, there was and always will be “something” - a term we can define.

[@kaydevious]

Long story short, we still really don't know shit about the universe for sure, and a lot of what we "know" is incomplete, at best, and will probably be proven wrong at some point in the future, just like the geocentric model or the static universe or the aether or Martian canals in the past. We know very little, we assume a lot.

[@pmh1nic]

He emphatically states "we know" how old the universe is. There are so many things scientists claimed to know that got undone due to some new discovery. We don't know what we don't know. There are theories that at this point we don't know if we will every have the capacity to test them. I think what we know gets over sold.

[@JimmyKlef]

My question is, can we, especially using AI create a model of our earth and include all the data we possibly can… whether it’s satellites viewing earth in visible light and beyond, detecting chemical makeup and weather systems and sensors on ground, in air, and consider all available resources of potential information possible about our planet and then create a model including absolutely everything we can include (and i mean including everything such as solar system information, like orbits and asteroids and everything) utilizing AI to simulate an astonishingly accurate earth and spin that model forward a day? A week? A year? I understand we have models like this for weather and our solar system but can we do this to an insane degree? I can imagine AI being able to collect all available data that may contain information as to how things will unfold to a degree we can hardly imagine and put it on a model that constantly instantly updates (including seismic activity and absolutely everything) as to be able to severely increase our ability to basically see the future and plan for it? Because i really think we could very soon accumulate this data using ai in this way and quite seriously advance our capability. I can hardly think of any reason not to do this other than the possibility of revealing information they want us to not know. Seems like it’s probably the exact time we need to come clean about everything so as to be able to advance in many ways like this. And beyond that… if we create the absolute most accurate possible predictions of what “should” unfold in the coming hours and days and weeks… if reality unfolds differently than predicted… we could illuminate exactly what we do not yet know. About quite a lot, really… but especially variables that effect everything that we do not know about. So if our model predicts no hurricanes and yet we experience a hurricane… it could illuminate huge areas of science that could be established and investigated and studied and basically help revamp the whole of science, and i would honestly imagine that would basically catapult us into the future if we consistently revamp our models when we find the variables we don’t yet know. It would be a process to figure out what it could be… but the inspiration and motivation and etc would be inherent to the process. We could easily detect the holes in our understanding. And then initiate geniuses to figure out what theories could explain the difference. It could be a tipping point honestly.

[@liveyourlifeb4end]

The u inverse is infinite but gets surprised there’s older galaxies 🤣🤣🤣 y’all just make up shit as we go along humans don’t know anything 👽

[@plato7770]

No way astronomers are that accurate…. You’re talking about doubling the age, and you say they can get within a week of a human time span?? It’s entirely unfalsifiable

[@jonmarshall6530]

Or perhaps in an infinite universe, our understanding can not grasp the limitless vastness. What evidence is there that it isn't trillions of years beyond what is visible?

[@jamie49868]

Yep. Every time we develop the capability to see further, we find more and adjust the age upward. What makes us think we have seen the end/beginning of everything? Infinity is impossible to grasp, but that is what we are dealing with.

[@thomasaquinas601]

Realize that all these guys are making a guess. That's what science is, and also why these hypotheses change every couple of years. They make a living as the carnival barker who guesses your weight or age.

[@bowieupland6112]

I say that the entire universe, with all our memories, came into being yesterday. Prove me wrong

[@DrBrianKeating]

How would you know? 🧠 in a jar?

[@bowieupland6112]

@@DrBrianKeating Deflection. You didn't prove me wrong.

[@mahmoudsupes2461]

I believe that God created the Universe I don't know when that happened and I don't believe science will ever have an answer to that simply because it didn't have to start from a single point as they think.

[@DarthJeremy364]

if think the universe always was and always will be infinitely large and has always been in existence. It is the experience machine that has the capability of producing an infinitely many experiences no matter the organism. Its the only place to exist.