Is Peaceful Protest enough? In conversation with Andreas Malm

Andreas Malm joins Bristol Transformed organiser, Momentum NCG member and Labour for a Green New Deal activist Shona Jemphrey in Bristol at the Malcolm X Centre, the birthplace of Extinction Rebellion. They discuss COP26, the new phase of the climate struggle and How to Blow Up a Pipeline: Learning to Fight in a World on Fire by Andreas Malm, out now: www.versobooks.com/products/2...
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[@vulturez5913]

Violence is not an answer it's a question and the answer is yes.

[@guillll]

Fascinating food for though on the most important matter in human history.

[@tamasveress96]

at 24:55 Andreas mentions a paper, can anyone provide a link to it?

[@V1V153CT10N]

4 months late, but I believe they were referencing an article titled "Environmental Beta or How Institutional Investors Think about Climate Change and Fossil Fuel Risk"

[@alexpanda7599]

@@V1V153CT10N Thanks!

[@livewiya]

28:00 It's interesting to see someone say the UK doesn't have a streak of mass movements/struggle. Britain was home to the Luddites, which featured property destruction, and the popular boycotts that contributed to the abolition of the slave trade. Perhaps it's in response to such successes that the state has in turn responded. What's fair to say is that there isn't anything innate about a people in terms of their ability to resist.

[@atticustay1]

Suffragettes too

[@livewiya]

@@atticustay1 Agreed. I guess I had my lens focused on opposition to 'commercial activities' considered legitimate by the state at one point in time. But we certainly don't have to limit ourselves when looking for sources of inspiration/tactics.

[@reallivebluescat]

Wonder why the video ended so abruptly, did a fight break out ? 😂

[@guillll]

All the attendees suddenly ran outside to blow up the first pipeline they saw.

[@stevenmarkhansen]

B V gan ❣

[@PiceaSitchensis]

Guy, at 45:40 your hair is fucking awesome.

[@aaronduerst]

i see 3 cool hairstyles in that shot though

[@dtrellis]

The guy who looks like young Aphex Twin?

[@mxrkxo]

Great

[@Thaddeus28]

let them try this in China😊

[@vulturez5913]

China is perfectly fine, the people are happy and trust in the government.

[@cllt6241]

Here is the catch 22: Politicians will do nothing worthwhile regarding climate, because most voters would boot them out. people still care more for their cars and their flying holidays than they do for their kids' future. We are just too selfish and stupid to think more than 5 - 10 years ahead - especially as any worthwhile policy change will mean short-term sacrifice. Best advice? Don't have kids. Seriously.

[@jonathonjubb6626]

Worked this out last century, welcome to the bandwagon friend!

[@mxrkxo]

Lame, Manufacturing consent is what the media did to the public to make them apathetic, but the world have stopped when the coronavirus came, people are not stupid and apathetic and self destructive, thats a right wing main motive, thats why the left believes that its all about knowledge that is taken away by media.. is m

[@scoopta4602]

it’s still worth having kids

[@barbaracook7142]

@@scoopta4602 UTTERLY YES! We NEED people who CARE to have children!

[@kurtcobainpizza5606]

Do you live in a cave? Heated by wood? Pretty sure the answer is no.

[@mav45678]

Did somebody make an estimation of how many lives will be saved thanks to that pipeline in East Africa though? Not even counting the second-order effects of oil and gas extraction, such as e.g. turning it to fertilizer which increases food production - but just counting direct effects, such as East African countries getting money from oil sales, which they can use to buy food, medicine, invest in life-saving infrastructure etc. I wonder if this offsets the 7k number of lives lost per year due to climate change.

[@NostalgiaandChaos]

There are other ways to offer all of those things that don't cause the equivalent of twice my entire high school dying every year.

[@amosbatto3051]

DARA and Climate Vulnerability Forum estimated in 2012 that 400,000 people die per year due to hunger and diseases related to climate change and climate change was costing $1.2 trillion per year or 1.6% of global GDP. By 2030, the death toll is expected to rise to 700,000 per year, and cost the global economy 2.5% of GDP annually. If we have 4 C of climate change, many experts believe that we will have civilizational collapse and billions of humans will die. The reductions in agricultural output due to climate change is likely to also kill billions of humans due to starvation.

[@amosbatto3051]

Personally I think that property destruction will be counterproductive due to the public backlash and repressive actions of the state that it will generate. I understand people's frustration with the slow progress, but you are handing right-wing politicians a gift by giving them something to demonize and mobilize people against. You are also limiting the appeal of your own side, because few people want to join a movement that employs violence (even if it is just violence against property). Non violent movements have historically been effective, especially when dealing with moving public opinion in democracies, and I don't see an explanation from Andreas Malm how violent action results in climate policy implementation by government. Maybe it convinces a fossil fuel company that opening a new mine or pipeline will be more trouble than its worth, but the fundamental thing is new governmental policies, and I don't see violent action getting us there.

[@missFrill]

So everyone in this room agrees to use use no heat this winter and remove electricity from their homes by suspending their personal accounts with their local utilities.

[@Hurst6969]

exactly! absolutel rediculous

[@SungheonAHN]

당신이 진짜 자본주의를 비판한다면, 금융자본주의는 왜 비판하지 않는가? 디지털 사용 급증은 공해 배출을 하지 않는가? 전기는? 왜 이런 분야에 대해 침묵하는가?

[@jondoe8o]

I guess because he’s invested…

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

I mean both of these things are so connected that they aren’t really separate things. Electronics and digital stuff is only possible because of petroleum and rare earth metals. Petroleum and rare earth metals and mining and stuff like that are what contribute to the production and pollution of digital products. You do not get digital products without the material and the electricity which is all created from the real capitalist end and not the financial end.

[@inikainika1523]

What about China overfishing the oceans?

[@SungheonAHN]

@@inikainika1523 뜬금 없이 중국 이야기?

[@NostalgiaandChaos]

There are other ways to generate electricity that don't depend on oil. The surge in digital use (especially with things like cryptocurrency and NFTs) causing more pollution was because there is still so much electricity that is generated by fossil fuels / oil. He mentions in the talk that renewable energy projects like solar don't give as good a return on investment as oil projects do. There are plenty of other problems caused by capitalism, including financial capitalism and banking, but this talk was specifically focused on oil companies and the damage to the climate that they cause. They are the biggest damage.

[@Irishtradchannel]

What happens when this militant activism is met with the inevitable working class backlash.

[@schizoid6673]

What?

[@_....J........................]

Liberal Democratic States already covertly fund far-right paramilitary terror groups, Spy cops, and the Territorial Support Group. That is where the counter-revolutionary violence will come from - and it will be interpersonal.

[@_....J........................]

@@schizoid6673 i know right.

[@_....J........................]

@@jrcowles86 "Identitarianism" (aka White Mob Rule) is not "Identity Politics" (aka analysis of racial capitalism). If you want to stop coming off as ignorant/anti-Black, please listen to the discussion (titled below) about how people chatting politics rather frustratingly describe almost anything they don't like as "Identity Politics" Vs what it really is. - Revolution 4/13: The Combahee River Collective Reading | Streamed live on 10 Nov 2021 | The People's Forum NYC | KZbin. About: The People's Forum NYC is a movement incubator for working class and marginalized communities to build unity across historic lines of division at home and abroad. We are an accessible educational and cultural space that nurtures the next generation of visionaries and organizers who believe that through collective action a new world is possible.

[@jondoe8o]

@@_....J........................ what is white mob rule? How does this fifty year or more old term apply to the globalised world? It does not work

[@wolfk1]

The only place that suits this chaot is prison

[@rachelblack314]

'Womb carriers'? Y'all need to watch 'What is a woman?'

[@jarm3752]

No thank you

[@notanemoprog]

@@jarm3752 What is a woman?

[@notanemoprog]

@@jarm3752 So you can't define a woman after all, just as we thought. Typical Radical Gender Theory militant.

[@jarm3752]

@@notanemoprog is definition by example not valid? I'd like to hear your definition

[@notanemoprog]

@@jarm3752 "A woman is an adult female human."