Is Pokémon Platinum Really BETTER Than BDSP?

[@GameSmith45]

For those who asked about the point system... I agree that some features probably deserve higher weight such as the battle frontier. However, I didn't want to start making arbitrary decisions about how many points should be allocated for things like that. Who's to say the battle frontier shouldn't get 5 points, while no HMs (for me of course) shouldn't get 6? So even though it's not perfect, I felt it was the most fair way to do it.

[@Allen-qs2xr]

This whole list is arbitrary without structure.

[@SirLolcat]

Though I have to agree with some people that a relevance system (maybe 1-3 points depending on how important the feature to the overall experience is) would've been reasonable, I think platinum fanboys are just mad that it didn't win by a landslide. I'm playing through platinum for the first time after 14 years right now and I gotta say the overabundance of HMs and some design choices (such as thinking defog should be in an optional area) are just mindboggling. People are just delusional about get IV in general (don't even get me started on HGSS).

[@tamerkoh]

@@SirLolcat No, personally, having played Sword and Shield after not playing since Black and White 2, I can see where most players are coming from about the old 2D games. There are definitely some quality of life improvements, and having HMs be a field move list rather than taking up battle moves IS a good improvement, don't get me wrong. But here's the overall problem with modern Pokemon compared to classic Pokemon: There's barely any of the Metroidvania world design that classic Pokemon used to have remaining, due to the lack of HMs. Yes, the way they were implemented in the past wasn't good for the team-building experience. But they were vital to the world design. Having optional areas that exist behind abilities you get later, like Metroid, highly encourages exploration, and revisiting old areas to unlock new sections. Such world design no longer exists in modern Pokemon, and everything is reduced to a boring and empty hallway. As a result, people who play Pokemon for the "Adventure through a new region!" part of the advertised gameplay, get disappointed when said "adventure" is just being led down hallways by the nose. In fact, even the puzzles that used to exist (Strength puzzles, ice puzzles, etc.) are mostly gone now too, so not only do you have no exploration, you also have no need to think anymore. Even the only two caves in Sword and Shield weren't even multi-floor caves, but both slightly curvy hallways, which is just embarrassing. I personally would rather play the poorly implemented HMs games, and know I have plenty of exploration I can do, than the HM-free games with zero exploration. HGSS offers the most in this regard as well, especially since the entire second half of the game is non-linear.

[@yaboyj3428]

@@tamerkoh have u ever heard of the rom hack Pokémon unbound cuz I like the way the handle their hm system which I think game freak should take notes on

[@Some-robot-guy]

@@Allen-qs2xr totally, like having the Iv rater and items counting as two separate points, while the whole battle factory, battle arcades,... Are just put it into one point, while each of them is bigger. Also at the beginning it was stated "just because a feature exists, it isn't good". Having more legendary Pokemon in BDSP shouldn't thereby not be better, if catching them is just locked behind unfun stupid grinding. Event pokemon in Bdsp being locked behind savegames from other games being better is also questionable, because this puts the game out of its vacuum. Many events from platinum are available through fanmade servers even after they were not available in bdsp anymore. Some things are better in BDSP, but most of the ports and new things are of poor quality, with exception of the Pokemon in the great underground, this was done pretty well. The poketch is poorly designed as it just blocks part of the game. A lot of fans are not angry because of nostalgia, but over the poor quality.

[@JazzyWaffles]

Nearly every single point awarded to BDSP in this video was awarded for being a newer game. Mints, charms, Fairies, etc. Stuff that didn't exist in 2008 when Platinum came out. Meanwhile Platinum took points in pretty much every category where the games were directly comparable.

[@GameSmith45]

That's a good synopsis and ultimately what I think makes BDSP worth playing. The QOL updates are nice even if the rest is lacking.

[@SparkBlazeWarriors]

Similarly, while bdsp brings in some modern qol improvements it also removes features that later became standard like infinite tms, and you can’t use the gen’s core gimmick of dynamax unlike oras which added new megas. So while those aren’t applicable when comparing to Platinum they’re arguably negatives for bdsp overall.

[@JazzyWaffles]

@@SparkBlazeWarriors Exactly!

[@GameSmith45]

Megas would have been nice. You make some good points

[@XxAngelWinsxX]

Exactly. It's not that BDSP brought those QOL updates, they have been applied in all modern Pokemon games, with each generation introducing something. SwSh brought most of them, so it's not like BDSP can really get credit for them.

[@archiiebarrett]

Simple. What killed BDSP, is the fact that, with HGSS and ORAS, we got remakes of older games, with up-to-date mechanics, all the new Pokemon and moves, and the current gimmicks, as well as little touches that made them stand out from the current mainline game... With BDSP, we only got a similar experience to the old game with some give and take for quality of life improvements. People at least expected a SwSh style Diamond and Pearl experience while also revisiting Sinnoh with new Pokemon team options and perhaps new Dynamax forms. We got what felt like an afterthought. That disappointment is why people would rather play the older game.

[@GameSmith45]

Very well said 👍

[@roxasbaker]

Well I’m glad dynamax wasn’t in bdsp but I still wanted the characters to be like sw/sh but I prefer megas

[@veronikamajerova4564]

Yeah, and some added content. I mean, FR/LG had Sevii islands, HG/SS had all the legendaries (including gen 3 ones), the new route and Safari zone (which also had new mechanics), Pokeathlon and more, ORAS had Delta episode (where we go to effing space with m-Ray - which is also a nod to those old fan theories about you being able to go to the rocket and go to space and fight Deoxys/Jirachi in RSE), the rings mechanic for the legendaries (again, even post gen 3 ones), mirage islands, soaring on mega-Lat@s and other stuff. What new things does BDSP offer? Oh yeah, Ramanas park for catching legendaries from gens 1-3 and the finaly released Azure flute. So great. Much hype.

[@mikestarnineteen760]

I basically felt that the up to date mechanics in Sw&Sh were realistic expectations to a “faithful remake” but they dropped the ball really hard

[@billybobbobson3797]

new dynamax forms when the community went bananas and shit on the mechanics from the rip for swsh. Lets also not forget people clamor for FAITHFUL REMAKES its what you hear all the fucking time. So we got a literal remake. It was headed by MASUDA you know the goat of pokemon. the one everyone loves so fucking much. You get a carbon copy of Diamond and Pearl. You didnt get a PLATNIUM remake. the fact that this goes over peoples heads is mind fucking boggling. they addressed some of the biggest issues with old diamond and pearl namely the lack of fire types by adding and expanding the underground to make it a more fun/useful feature than an afterthought in all 3 iterations. The actual problem with pokemon is that the community is stupid. They literally dont know what they want and are stuck on "not this, i want that" mode where no matter what we get what strides they try it gets shit on. They listen with gen 9 and are looking to try open world and already there is people complaining about graphics and shit. It NEVER ends. The community are children who never grew the fuck up. The classics are and always will be a classic. Its fucking ridiculous that people expect the classics to be remade again and again while also wanting new. The community in pokemon are the worst community by far for any genre in any game ever. Its pure hivemind bullshit. Just like how as much as i love zelda BOTW had MAJOR flaws that just got over looked entirely because liking the new zelda is popular. And people would actually make fucking excuses for the abomination that was triforce heroes. Its pathetic.

[@SM-vx6zq]

As a platinum player, I too hate the HMs. Even in HGSS they return and you can’t fight Red without a Pokémon knowing rock climb. But other than that, platinum is still better. They just made some silly decisions on this game

[@GameSmith45]

Yeah it's a major pain point, but the game is still super solid.

[@AdamDawson3]

HM's need to return I liked them

[@k9blazesensation]

“As a platinum player” I’ve seen people say variations of this, I never understood why people had to identify before making a statement

[@keokozonaioni9738]

@@k9blazesensation to give their opinion as someone who has played Platinum so, that it gives more "validity" to the point

[@SM-vx6zq]

@@k9blazesensation it’s to give my perspective. I’m a old Pokémon player, I grew up with the older generations. I have different standards than those who are new to the series. HMs is one of those old Pokémon game features that I don’t miss

I feel there was a lot of missed potential. I mean the actual "Sinnoh experience" from Gen 8 was Legends Arceus, but BDSP had everything to be a great game: DPPt already had an excellent region, Platinum's extended Pokedex was pretty great, there were great additions like customization, Pokemon following you, competitive accessibility (Mints, Bottle Caps, Ability Capsule/Patch), but they messed up pretty bad with things like limited TMs, sticking with Double Battles, not adding Platinum's new look on certain areas, and forcing things like Exp. Share and Friendship bonuses. Overall, the game feels like a reskin of DP when the other remakes had things to offer: FRLG had the Sevii Islands, minigames, connectivity with RSE and an expanded story and character information with the Fame Checker and the Sevii Islands story; HGSS had A LOT to offer like the Battle Frontier, Pokeathlon, Safari Zone, all of Crystal features and connectivity with DPPt; even ORAS which was heavily criticized for the lack of Battle Frontier had Soaring, the Mirage Spots, Delta Episode, new Mega Evolutions, DexNav, and connectivity with XY; not counting all of them having ALL the features from previous games (new battle formats like 2vs2 or 3vs3, more Items, Natures/EVs/Abilities, new Pokemon and forms, unlimited TMs, move tutors, massive graphics, QoL and UI improvements, PSS and WiFi features, and other additions); whereas BDSP only give you certain improvements and even make other things worse like the Underground and Contests instead of expanding on them. Hell, they didn't even try to make it visually different and went for the same perspective when most people were expecting a SwSh like game. They could have been amazing if they made at least Megas and Regional forms available on the Sinnoh Dex (only 2 Megas and like 3 regional forms would have been missing) as well as adding an update for Hisui forms and other Platinum goodies like the improved visuals in certain areas, the Villa or the Battle Frontier (at least some facilities). However, we received the weakest remake instead.

[@GameSmith45]

Really appreciate the time put into this comment. Agree there is a lot of missed potential.

[@R0bilicious]

My one gripe with Legends Arceus is that it has no replay-ability for me. The over world feels too barren, textures pop in and out, etc... The story is not one I want to play again. In main series games, I feel like I can replay them with new teams and be connected with them. LA feels like I grind catching 200 of the same Pokemon and releasing them for materials. What I'm trying to say is that I feel like we never really got a true Sinnoh remake experience.

[@palpatinerocks3260]

I think the difficulty spike is bdsp is really weird. It goes from gym leaders having super easy pokemon to the elite 4 having banned competitive pokemon in an instant

[@palpatinerocks3260]

@Briansme they did

[@cyberdrache8416]

Tbh the whole game was too easy with overleveled mons and an unfair friendship system until elite 4. But even the elite 4 were pretty doable with all the bonuses.

[@pelicash]

@@cyberdrache8416 every Pokémon game is easy with over leveled mons

[@cyberdrache8416]

@@pelicash Yes but the game was designed to be played without EXP-share (og diamond). They didnt change any levels of the trainers in BDSP and just added EXP-share on top. -> in BDSP you are always overleveled just by playing the story.

[@charliez077]

@@cyberdrache8416 late reply but yes - not only ILCA didn't up the levels enough from the originals to match the new Exp Share, they COPIED the exact same levels which is SHEER incompetence!!!

[@XzenoStrike]

I wish they did something like ORAS's Delta chapter for Giratina.

[@Disarmingtoehead13]

ORAS and HGSS were amazing remakes adding the new Pokémon and having all the classic stuff from the original story while feeling new in every way

[@SidheKnight]

@@Disarmingtoehead13 FRLG were also excellent remakes. Modernizing the classic Kanto experience with all the progress and quality of RSE, plus new features and fixes for all the infamous gen 1 bugs,

[@TheDuffy5678]

Platinum itself was already an enhanced remake of Diamond and Pearl. They didn't need to remake DP again, they needed to remake platinum to bring it up to recent generations. BDSP got a lot of those quality of life improvements, but none of the platinum content. Something like half of your points were just quality of life improvements, which the series hadn't been up to when Plat released. Almost none of the things you mentioned that were points for BDSP were things or content that plat didn't have, and it seems like about 2/3 of content was presented better in plat. Honestly if they just made a port of plat, with all the quality of life improvements I would have liked it a lot better, because BDSP doesn't do what I would like remakes to do: which is remake the game in the style of the current generation. I wanted to see sinnoh in 3d, like galar, with tons of new features! I think most fans wanted a GS -> HGSS like remake where they included some crystal content, and added a new route or two and included all the features of the new generation, etc. Instead we got what is essentially a near clone of the original game, in a new art style (that is "argueably" not better then the original, and I think many fans wouldn't even have included the word argueably), with numerous bugs, online features missing, and tons of disappointment. I don't agree with your numbering system much because you gave quality of life improvements so many points, but I do get its hard to start with a newer generation and go back to playing before those improvements. It just sucks to see they didn't create a definitive edition of sinnoh. Platinum is better in many regards, and BDSP has some QoL improvements but overall I think its no comparison, Plat has much more to offer if you can only play 1 Sinnoh game. Its too bad, despite what you said near the end of the video they will never remake platinum, because they don't do that, which is why this is so sad: there will never be a definitive version of Sinnoh, although Plat is pretty damn close.

[@GameSmith45]

I really appreciate comments like this. Very thoughtful I agree it's a shame they will probably never remake Platinum.

[@TheDuffy5678]

@@GameSmith45 I’ve played a lot of Gen iv so I’ve thought a lot abt this. Haha thanks!

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

It's like how even though they're remakes of Gold and Silver, HGSS is really just Crystal re-split. FRLG you could say similarly is Blue re-split, but Blue didn't really add *that* much over Red and Green. But ORAS and BDSP aren't like the previous two, as ORAS is very much closer to RS than E, and BDSP is nowhere near Pt. Even then, ORAS allowed connection to the current generation sibling games, brought forward their main gimmick *and added to it* (even though canonically it makes ZERO sense). BDSP is just DP with a new coat of paint on a single screen that can connect directly to Home instead of having to transfer one-way through BW+2 into Bank and then into Home.

[@TheDuffy5678]

@@doomsdayrabbit4398 I love this reply. Completely agree with your points about The other remakes. Oras did add extra mega evolutions and the delta episode, BDSP adds nothing. Also it should be well noted Oras we’re controversial on their release for straying from emerald a lot. Seems like oras is remembered fondly now, though.

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

@@TheDuffy5678 When even I'm praising ORAS for doing something right you know something's wrong. I *hate* Hoenn.

[@christopherballero866]

I'd like to point out that most of the points for BDSP are improvements that have happened since after Platinum like no HMs and fairy types. BDSP for a remake have no post Gen 4 Pokemon & TMs went back to single-use something no one wanted. Also losing or coming close to a game on weaker console that came out years earlier is really sad

[@GameSmith45]

Have to agree that it's sad the old game competing with the new is sad. There's a lot of room for improvement.

[@imablisy]

@@GameSmith45 also in what way is fairy type an improvement? In so far as single player goes this kinda stuff doesn’t matter.

[@GameSmith45]

It’s new and it upended the dynamic of the game

[@emilburatovic409]

@@GameSmith45 "new" - it's been out since 2013

[@Mqstodon]

​@@StealthySpriteit makes the experience better, so it adds a point. The game doesn't have to add it itself

[@PhazonX]

It's so silly that while the Gen. 2 remakes incorporated things from Crystal and the Gen. 3 remakes incorporated things from Emerald, the Gen. 4 remakes did not incorporate anything from Platinum, other than Giratina's Origin Forme.

[@wolfgangfegelein2450]

Game Freak really went all out for HGSS. They even incorporated Platinum's Battle Frontier, which no one at the time even expected them to do. They set the gold standard for remakes, and then they just abandoned it for ORAS and BDSP.

[@thunderstar254]

Gen 4 was truly peak Pokemon. Platinum, HG/SS, Ranger, Mystery Dungeon, BR, Pokepark, Pokewalkers...

[@rpgfan8650]

Really miss the good old days when game is a complete package in one cartridge. Lots of devs put efforts to make sure their game is complete. Nowadays with internet lots of devs just make a half baked game and call it a day. They won't fix the issues until us gamers request a fix. Physical copies of a game basically become a beta version copy and when the server is down we are likely to stuck with the beta version and can't update the game at all. It's just sad ...

[@GameSmith45]

I hate how right you are.

[@robertlupa8273]

That means only one thing... we need to archive the updated versions so that next generation(s) may have the full[ish] BDSP experience!

[@Linx9214]

Luckily there are some games that still do this. Kirby and the forgotten land is still on version 1.0.0

[@sillygostly]

@@Linx9214 : Such games are sadly in the minority though. I’m so glad that WarioWare GIT is still Version 1.0 over a year on (though there are a handful of bugs, I’d rather they not bother patching them out at this point). Nintendo typically updates their cartridges in subseqent prints. Smash would be an exception given that patches would cause the game to require a 32GB cart (and it would be wasteful if such a cart didn’t also include all DLC). Not sure if BD/SP would have been updated either, but the other games certainly have been. Sadly, third parties usually don’t do this unless it’s a rerelease of some kind (as opposed to a reprint of an existing release). In fact, I’ve recently started putting off buying games like Switch Sports and Mario Strikers until next year, when hopefully, Nintendo will reissue them with all of the updates on the cart. I’m frankly fed up with paying for unfinished crap.

[@Linx9214]

@@sillygostly ngl, mario strikers isn't probably gonna get more updates since it sold less than 1M copies.

[@jc7166]

With Spirtomb in platinum it actually requires you to talk to actual players to catch it. Both are tedious but I would give the point to BDSP as you can do it without any additional hardware.

[@Wurmze]

Yeah I wasn’t able to get spiritomb in my original diamond and platinum

[@medicfdumbo]

IDK. You could just get a friend and go in and out of the underground and get it done in platinum. That's what I did when the game was new

[@GameSmith45]

Maybe my experience would be a little different if I had played it back in the day. From a high level perspective, Platinum seemed easier since there was more interaction in the underground

[@jc7166]

That requires a freind or an extra ds with a sinnoh game. With BDSP you can do it with just a switch, the game and a notepad for counting the NPCS.

[@restlessdreams17]

I agree, BDSP at least let's you do all of this with just your console. With Platinum you have to either : buy a separate DS and copy of D/P/Pt or borrow both of these from a friend but you still have to keep entering and exiting the Underground. Point should have gone to BDSP just for convenience

[@funnyinternetman8046]

I would also like to mention that a large part of the game was put behind a day one patch, which means that once switch eshop closes platinum will be without a doubt the definitive version

[@GumCow]

You can't update these games when the eshop is closed? That's ass

[@imselfaware419]

Let's not get hasty, BDSP will go out of print, and because Pokemon games are always expensive, so will BDSP, you'd have no choice but to pirate BDSP as well as Platinum.

[@vargasbrothers23]

“The rematches in bdsp present a better overall challenge” The friendship system is all I really need to say here. Same thing with the rival rematches

[@GameSmith45]

How I wish I could turn them off

[@bruced09]

@@GameSmith45 yeah but you can’t… so the game is already tipped in your favor

[@phyllotaxis]

You know you can get medicine herbs for dirt cheap in Eterna City right

[@breloommaster12]

@@phyllotaxis the fact that you have to even purchase the option to "turn the friendship off" is whack; they could've just made it optional like Pokémon Amie did

[@Joker22593]

Modders (for people who play in emulators) had it turned off day one.

[@GolDGreg]

16:34 counterpoint: you used to be able to transfer to the DS games through the GBA port and get all those legendaries for free

[@GuyWolfGaming]

Also there are still ways you could still access the mythicals today without cheating (although it depends on whether or not you consider it cheating), as you can use a techique to access the events without hacking your game.

[@xxAryAryxx]

Technically not for free, you'd have to buy the GBA games or convince a friend to give you their legendaries, which would be unlikely. Besides, if you happened to own a DSi instead of a DS or DS Lite, you couldn't transfer at all since the DSi doesn't have a GBA port.

[@mobubbler]

@@xxAryAryxx dsi wasnt out

[@xxAryAryxx]

@@mobubbler Not at the time of release, but my point still stands. It's pretty likely that out there there was at least someone who discovered they couldn't transfer Pokémon because they were gifted the Pokémon game later and paired up with a DSi.

[@IsomerMashups]

The biggest problem here is that the vast majority of "wins" you gave BDSP... aren't actually from BDSP, but rather often games as far back as _X and Y._

[@GameSmith45]

While I agree with our statement, their origin wasn't what was important for me here. Rather, that it did or didn't have them.

[@cyberdrache8416]

@@GameSmith45 Yes but you kinda were praising the QOL changes but in reality most of the changes have to be in the game to be at least decent for 2021. So they dont deserve praise for doing it but the origin deserves it. Its like the first smartphone that invented the selfie camera. The inventor deserves the praise but nowadays I expect every smartphone to have a selfie camera. In fact, a smartphone without selfie camera gets harsh criticism. Same goes for BDSP: there are some QOL changes that we expect (which were released in older games). Only REAL new QOL changes deserve praise.

[@Mqstodon]

​@@cyberdrache8416but if a phone didn't have a selfie camera you'd be disappointed, right? That's the point. Doesn't matter if it added it first or not: bdsp not having hms makes it more enjoyable, because if they didn't take them out you'd be disappointed at how tedious it still was

[@cyberdrache8416]

@@Mqstodon Exactly! If a phone doesnt have selfie csm its trash. But if a phone has a selfie camera thats nothing to praise about - its bare minimum standard. And BDSP fails to provide 2021 standards and actually copy/pasted 95% of 2006 DS game diamond without even adapting the platinum improvements. Its so cringe that Platinum from 2008 is still better than BDSP..

[@cyberdrache8416]

@@Mqstodon In my opinion BDSP are the WORST remakes of all time. Here are some reasons why: 1. Faithfulness: Unlike other remakes, this game literally copy & pastes 90% of the game from diamond/pearl. Diamond/Pearl are games from 2006. You cannot copy almost everything from a game that more than 10 years old. (Remember this is a remake not a remaster!). Almost everything is copied: All dialogs, the storyline, the chibi art style, the national dex, old pokemon encounters and even the Poketch were copy & pasted to this game. Pokemon games have been improved in the past years and had many quality of life changes like 3D art style, overworld Pokemon encounters and reusable TMs. None of these changes were adapted to the game which is just sad. This game is too faithful and faithful sounds more like a excuse for lazyness. 2. Not-Platinum-Based: So they copy & pasted 90% from the old Sinnoh game but not based on Platinum? Diamond & Pearl had several weaknesses and Platinum fixed many of them and included many Quality of Life changes. Here are some Platinum improvements over Diamond/Pearl: It extends the storyline with additional content, new dialogs, new characters like Charon and a new map Distortion world (loved it). The rival was a bit too weak in Diamond/Pearl which was fixed in Plat. The Poketch has a reverse Button. It has the battle frontier. And finally: the Sinnoh dex which was baaad in Dia/Pearl was fixed. The bad sinnoh dex in dia/pearl has only very few Fire Pokemon (very weird). Gym leaders were forced to use weird mons in the main game like Electric gym leader using Octillery or IceType gym leader using Medicham (WTF? Despite Sinnoh having enough Ice/Electric mons) and also many sinnoh mons were restricted to the postgame. Thats means many of the favourite sinnoh mons cannot be used in your team for the main story. But Platinum fixed this issue and created a NEW sinnoh dex which fixed all these issues which made the main story like a sinnoh game. ALL of these great changes of Platinum where NOT included in BDSP. This means BDSP uses the OLD sinnoh dex, OLD dialogs, OLD storyline, NO new character like Charon, NO distortion world and NO battle frontier. That makes BDSP a worse Sinnoh remake than Platinum which was released in 2008. (Imagine a 2008 DS game of the same Region beats you in ALL aspects. WTF) 3. EXP-Share & Friendship-System: One of the most hated features is the EXP-Share system which often leads to WAY more exp than in the past games. In my opinion, the EXP-Share is not too bad. BUT diamond/pearl were not designed to be played with the new EXP-Share system. So if you include an EXP-Share system, you have to increase all levels of the pokemon (from opponent). But they didnt which makes the difficulty of this game too easy.Basically, my whole team was too oveleveled. And the friendship-system is the worst luck-based system i ever saw. A feature that increases the Critical hit-chance,removes paralysis, lets me dodge 100% accurate moves and even lets me survive moves with 1HP. WTF did you smoke gamefreak? And the worst is that, you cannot make any of these optional. Because of that many players who love to do a nuzzlock in Sinnoh, prefer the old DS games. 3. No Innovation: This game not only copy & pastes the majority of its content, it adds nothing new to the game. Lets review some good remakes: HeartGold/SoulSilver (HG/SS) were Gen 2 remakes and included some storyline from Crystal and added many new stuff like the pokeathlon, battle frontier (from sinnoh), gen 1 map/storyline, a complete national dex and the pokewalker. HG/SS were not copy & pasted, but actually remade the game and added good new stuff. Also Alpha ruby&omega saphire (ORAS) have new changes like new art-style , new designs for Team magma/aqua, new Mega-forms, new Primal forms, changes to dialogs and storyline and the complete national dex. BDSP on the other hand does not provide any kind of major change in the game which makes this game really boring. It does have a new Underground which has overworld pokemon, but that is nothing special for 2022 and the ramanas park was neat but nothing too exciting. 4. Underground/Super-Contest: The old underground allowed to create your own living room with furnitures and set traps to troll friends online. Both were removed for a statue system which is really boring. Collecting statues and the effects of the statues are really disapointing. The Super-Contest used to be a fun-mode where you had many different options and varities and had to have good reflexes to do the correct moves at the correct time. Now all you have to do is Press A at the correct time and use 1 attack. That makes this mode so boring and disapointing. I mean, was it really that hard to let the player press like 4 different buttons instead of just 'A'?? 5. Art-Style: Many of us expected a modern review of Sinnoh in a 3D human like Art-style. But they decided to go for the Chibi-Art-Style. Everyone has different tastes but in my opinion the Chibi-Art-Style ruins many serious moments of the story line of this game, especially vs team galactic. It feels like all the emotions of the characters were removed. The reason why it was used in Diamond/Pearl was because of the limited hardware. In my opinion the Chibi-Art-Style waas the wrong decision and does not suit a switch game at all. 6. Only Gen 4: BDSP has a national dex which includes the pokemon from Gen 1-4 which is basically the same as Diamond/Pearl. As a player who would have loved to see at least some Pokemon from Gen 5-8 in Sinnoh, i am very disappointed. At least some Pokemon post Gen4, or some new forms or at least add Sylveon in this game. Not even mega-forms were included in this game. The fact that 95% of the megas are from Gen1-4 and the underground being the perfect place to grind the mega-stones, makes this decision even more disapointing. The reason why diamond/pearl was limited to Gen 1-4 was because there werent any other new pokemon. The reason why BDSP limited the game to Gen 1-4 is because of lazyness.. 7. PVP: On of the worst things in this game is everything arround PVP. The worst disrespect a main series pokemon game can get, is when GameFreak calls that all the competitive tournaments including the world championship will not take place in BDSP (WTF?). Unlike Sword/Shield, you have no option to search for PVP matches which makes it way harder to find battles. But the worst thing is the grind for a PvP team: TMs are not reusable (WHY?!). For some important TMs like Earthquake, you have to grind for 80BP (WTF. Thats a lot of Grind). Also you cannot catch pokemon with hidden abilities except those from poke radar. To get the hidden ability you have to grind for the ability patch for 200BP (WTF. Grind competitive to create a competitive. Nice system). By putting important PVP items behind such ridiculously high grind walls, it makes creating a PVP team disgusting. 8. Events: The events were also copy & pasted from Diamond/Pearl. Same Shaymin event, same Darkrai event. And other events are only accesible if you bought other main series pokemon game (Why..). And finally some garbage "events" which include some useless statues. Meanwhile, the 3 year old SW/SH getting better and innovative events like new PVP cups/tournaments and some legendary shinies. In my opinion the events in BDSP are disapointing. 9. Bugs/Glitches: Holy Moly! This game had so many bugs and glitches! You dont even need hacks, when the game itself has to many glitches. Many of them where completely broken. Many Pokemon clone glitches and item dupe glitches ruined the game. You could even get infinity money, create your own shinies (WTF), make your pokemon 6IV and let any Pokemon learn any move. I used to be in a discord for trading in BDSP and because of the glitches, the trade market was only about getting shiny 6IVs etc. Not to forget to mention the soft locks which made you restart the whole game which can happen for example in the ice gym. Usually every games has a few bugs. But this one had too many and too many game breaking glitches. A very hyped game like this shouldnt be developed by a 3rd party company.. But Gamefreak had other plans.. 10. Controls: The controls of this game feel weird and uncomfortable. Characters move in a grid which looks so weird during the storyline. The pokemon who follow me often block me in a bad way. The underground has many inivisible walls which makes moving in some rooms horrible. And finally the control with the cycle are the worst. The cycle in pokemon games are a beloved feature but in this game.. It feels so uncomfortable moving with the cycle, I sometimes even prefer walking. 11. The original Game dia/pearl and also Platinum was sold for like 40$. Meanwhile the clearly inferior game BDSP was sold for 60$. And now if you think about it: That 90% of the game was purely copy & pasted and has plenty of weaknesses and bugs, you realize that BDSP is just a cow getting melked -> Its clearly a rip-off! 12. Conclusion: It feels like GameFreak didnt want to do a Sinnoh remake but wanted to milk some money by releasing the highly demanded Sinnoh remake. The fact that, they hired a 3rd party company who never developed a major game, only supports this theory. Not forget to mention that, BDSP had a giant day one patch which was essential to enjoy the game. The fact that they released Legends Arceus almost 1-2 months after BDSP release also supports the theory, that they didnt care at all for this remake. Because of the release of Legends Arceus, the hiring of ILCA, the amount of glitches, the boring events, the exclusion of VGC, the 0 Innovation in this game and the fact that the majority of the game is copy & paste of a 2006 game (Dia/Pearl) which is worse than a 2008 Game (Platinum), makes this game the worst remake of all time in my opinion.

[@Kali_Krause]

In terms of who is better: Pokemon Platinum Pros: -Great Storyline -Better quality of life -Evolution items are obtained even before Elite 4 -Cynthia's team is way better here -Pokemon from previous gens could be transferred via Pal Park -Global trade station is way better -Arceus cutscene is awesome 👌 -Character designs are better than BDSP -Greater team building and diversity -Fixes the Fire type issue from D/P -Platinum ups the levels of the Gym Leaders -Exp Share is optional. Cons: -Hidden Machines require two HM slaves instead of one. -Battle Frontier is boring compared to Emerald. -Graphics are laggy at times. Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl Pros: -Shiny Charm is easier to obtain. -Trainers are challenging -EV training is easier. -Smooth battle transitions -No more HM's And that's it here. Cons: -Many glitches, even more than Red/Blue, though the latter gets a pass. -Softlocks! So many ways to softlock the game. -Unpolished battle animations -Platinum based evolution items now locked to post game. -EV training items are locked to post game. -Elite 4 was way difficult even for expert players. -Cynthia's team is way overpowered with nearly perfect IV's for almost all of her team. -Battle Tower AI cheats. -Doing a level limit nuzlocke? Too Bad. Exp.Share is mandatory! -GTS is limited to specific areas. -You have trade pokemon from Home to BDSP. And no gen 5 onward are allowed. -Gym Leaders don't use their Platinum teams. And the final con: -Lack of quality of life. The game needs constant updates compared to Platinum, where everything is built into the game. For Causal play, BDSP wins here over Platinum. However, if you want a challenge, go for Platinum. Finally tally: Platinum- 12 BDSP- 5 Platinum is definitely the winner. It's just better overall not only for nostalgia but, it offers more of a variety of playthrough challenges than BDSP

[@GameSmith45]

Absolutely love that you put in the time here to post all of this. Thank you for the thoughtful feedback

[@Kali_Krause]

@@GameSmith45 No worries :)

[@kingkmtso5107]

Well every single pokemon is in bdsp apart from Celebi and Deoxys

[@McMannigan]

Tbh, I liked the elite four and Cynthia being more difficult. I really enjoyed the challenge, and felt so accomplished when I beat it...More so than beating Diantha or Leon.

[@LupinaCatto]

It's bdsp remake not platinum lol, people compare this really stupīd, literally pla already a platinum remade, it's so obvious

[@Fabio-lq7wb]

Pokemon BDSP is my biggest disappointment of the Pokemon mainline games yet. They had a shot to make the ultimate 4th generation experience, which the developers didn't take it, and still, they asked $60 instead of $40 for this lackluster experience. The mere fact we are comparing a game released 15 years ago, and the old game still has more to offer than the current version really blows my mind.

[@GameSmith45]

Yeah I didn’t really think it was possible when I first started making the video

[@Fabio-lq7wb]

@@GameSmith45 Yeah... before I forget, good analysis on your video, btw. Anyway, let's hope the next remake will be done for a more competent developers team, because if it is ILCA again, there is a very high chance I will just going to skip it.

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you!

[@_TheDayman]

Yes, but if you put the best parts of platinum (like everything) with the best parts of BDSP (convenient breeding system, underground, better battle tower) you'd have the best pokemon game

[@GameSmith45]

Can't argue with that.

[@DerNiko]

I understand why people may have a problem with HMs. Honestly though, it's never been a big issue for me, since I rarely use more than 4 core team members anyway. So there's always at least 1 if not 2 slots for HM mules in my party. I understand that that's not everybody's playstyle though.

[@GameSmith45]

That makes sense. I like to have good type and move coverage to basically be able to counter anything. HMs really get in the way of that.

[@Kali_Krause]

I never had an issue with HM's until Diamond and Pearl. Because Sinnoh has 8 HM's total, it requires two HM slaves. I have first hand experience when I did a Psychic type run in Pearl. I needed my Biberal and Empoleon for the last part of Mt.Corrnet and Victory Road

[@rjthepoet500]

I believe part of the reason you have 4-5 core Pokémon in your part is probably like a lot of us and it’s because we all got used to having HM mules since Gen 1. With the limited options on team members for a good team during the initial play through of each Gen game, we got accustomed and even still meme about the best HM mules just to get through each game. With the need of an HM mule removed from the party it opens your party up more to have a better gameplay experience.

[@espurrseyes42]

@@rjthepoet500 Tl;dr you can actually have a proper team of 6 and use the PKMN you actually want to use in combat rather than carrying around a meatshield or two because you NEED to have it to progress in the overworld.

[@rjthepoet500]

@@espurrseyes42 you may have missed a point that was mentioned in the video. Giving an HM move to a Pokémon limits their move set. I know i can have a level 70 Bibarel with a full move set of HM moves and it’ll be useful throughout my play through, but is that really fun? Of course not.

[@frickinfrick8488]

Great video! In terms of event Pokémon I’d like to mention that fans have set up unofficial servers you can connect to that distribute those event items, just like they were done back in the day. They’re super easy to connect to and make all the events pretty easily accessible

[@GameSmith45]

That's awesome! I had no idea

[@peterrealar2.067]

To me, BDSP was NO remake. It was more a recreation as it lacked all the moves that Diamond and Pearl introduced because of the Dexit shenanigans neither was it an evolution of the game as it kept a lot of the faults that Diamond and Pearl possessed. For crying out loud, they won't let you get Hidden Power as a TM and they regress to having a set amount of TMs as well. On top of that, the EXP Share is always on and so is Pokemon Amie so you can't make decisions for your Pokemon. It's like Masuda WANTED us to act like Paul in the game to have a fair challenge. It's totally ridiculous.

[@manoftruth0935]

More accurately, Paul before his loss at the Sinnoh League. And speaking of Paul, missed opportunity to have his Ursaring evolve into Ursaluna

[@GameSmith45]

I actually wondered why they cut a bunch of moves. I didn't really know what I was missing out on so I left it out, but it's still a good point.

[@manoftruth0935]

Forgot to add... the Mew and Jirachi gifts made it too easy. But for me, Manaphy carried my BD play through, and Jirachi was the sacrificial lamb (really puts into perspective how Steel Psychic became a joke because of Gen 6, and many other steel types that can’t resist Ghost and Dark without being quad weak to Fighting.

[@peterrealar2.067]

@@manoftruth0935 The Journeys anime was a total FAILURE in execution.

[@BananaReidy]

I blame the bad management & leadership on the Higher up's like Masuda and TPCI. My guess is that with poor third version sales[e.g. emerald, platinum, ultra s/m] and the success of pokemon go is what spoiled them. #Don't let greed run your motives.

[@martinhill9561]

They failed to put in the mansion you could furnish. That really killed me I was looking so forward to it. That and the battle facility.

[@GameSmith45]

Yeah those were missed opportunities for sure.

[@Rikoyasha15]

U can get Rotom as soon as 2nd gym in Plat instead of post-game. Plat has the game corner while BDSP has like 5 outfits U probably won't use. There are traps on Plat underground for more player interaction. In Platinum there is still an exploit u can do to acess all the mystery gifts

[@GameSmith45]

I tried to avoid exploits for this analysis and tried to just stick with what the developers intended

[@xxAryAryxx]

The game corner can't be taken into account, because its removal was due to legal action (it went against some law about gambling in kids' games in the West) and not necessarily because GameFreak ever planned to take them out of their games.

[@ColonelCactus89]

I think that this was a very fair way of doing this but I think there’s two caveats you missed. One: BDSP is also grindy. You give Platinum a reserved point for the villa but forget that to get the charms you need to complete the Sinnoh and National Dex to get them. Two: You give BDSP a point for a more balanced move-set and Pokémon choice for the post-game Barry fight but don’t mention how the rest of the game keeps other weird NPC Pokémon and move choices, like the Electric type leader having a Water-type. Platinum deserved an easy point for fixing this, especially since it’s one of the main talking points people bring up in its favour. Still, this is nitpicking. Great video.

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you! I appreciate the honest feedback. You make some good points.

[@awesometoadultimate8562]

Volkner has a Pelipper in the rematch to set up rain for 100% accurate Thunders. That’s actually a good strat.

[@jcross996]

Platinum I honestly believe is one of the best 3rd Pokémon games ever made. BDSP was a quick cop out for a quick buck. What ruined it for me is they had all the stuff available from platinum to do a simply opted not to. Lazy design and lazy implementation in my opinion. Then to also not have a fully supported ranked system was just a kick in the teeth.

[@GameSmith45]

It's unfortunate a lot of stuff is missing. They did a good job with Platinum

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

People act like bdsp was just reskinned. None of you know how games are made. You still have to build the game itself from scratch only with some plans to follow. The hard part is making the game, thinking of the plot and what happens is the easy part. Pokemon fans are notoriously dumb children so nothing complicated is needed. (The fact that he didnt know when fairy type was introduced and that togekiss is flying)

[@jcross996]

@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme whoa... Why the insult to Pokémon fans?

[@Truepurple7]

@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme Are you really gonna insult people just for liking Pokémon? Anyone at any age can like it. Also, the typings can be confusing like Togekiss just being normal/flying type in gen 4 instead of fairy/flying. Changing the typings of a Pokémon is unusual.

[@riodaweirdo3062]

@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme here you are, taking time out of your day watching a video about Pokémon games, typing a whole paragraph in response to someone’s comment insulting a whole group of people. And for what?

[@tibbittsaerospace201]

i think whats more tragic than not having platinum features is that the games aren't really fresh, its incredible to me that we can go from an absolute banger like oras that received almost universal praise, where the story was pretty much re-sculpted so that even diehard fans of emerald were in for a surprise, to almost a carbon copy with quality of life changes of the inferior versions, they didn't need to make platinum, they needed to make something new and they fumbled at that, I hope they learned their lesson for future remakes.

[@Hydraina]

This is a cool video! Not a lot of videos are very "objective" about this subject but I can tell you clearly tried your best to be as objective as possible and I respect that

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you! Definitely what I was going for.

[@chaosbug7]

Where BDSP ultimately stumbled was the missed potential & Identity Crisis it had. The game wanted to be "A faithful Remake" of Diamond & Pearl, which is baffling considering DP had a lot of issues that Platinum ironed out. This included and is not limited to *Expanding the base Pokedex Roster *Giving more lore to Sinnoh *Making the overall game a bit more challenging *Adding the Battle Frontier *Redesigning certain areas that needed a bit more polish & flair *Attempting to fix DP's Molasses speed issues. The remakes kept almost 0 of Platinum's improvements, while it did have some QoL changes we've come to expect, it doubled down on many of DP's Shortcomings. Not to mention the forced EXP Share & Friendship does cut down on the game's difficulty, which unreasonably spikes hard near the tail end of BDSP for almost 0 reason. When people wanted a gen 4 remake, they wanted QoL built on Platinum's coattails, not the inferior Diamond & Pearl version of Sinnoh. Every other remake has incorporated something from its 3rd version or at the very least added new features to the table. BDSP barely does any of that honestly besides the Underground Biomes. It seemed BDSP took 1 step forward & 3 steps back, not because the games were incapable, but rather due to baffling design choices. At the end of the day, who was this game made for exactly?

[@GameSmith45]

Love the thoughtful comment!

[@WiiFan-1300]

Platinum wins NO DIFF 🔥

[@miloticas2795]

As someone who loved the gen 3 games and was super hyped for ORAS i feel so bad for the people who were excited for gen 4 remakes.

[@Fanny_packk]

They’re never going to remake platinum because it keeps them from selling two games at a time. It why they didn’t originally remake yellow, crystal or emerald. With those games they can only sell you one, but with frlg, hsss, and these two, now you have to get two games to complete the Pokédex and ‘finish’ the game

[@GameSmith45]

That is unfortunate indeed

[@rotciv557]

Except that HGSS included literally all of the content that Crystal introduced no problem, so it WAS a remake of Crystal, just with the same Pokemon that Gold and Silver individually had. ORAS on the other hand didn't faithfully add in everything that Emerald had but it did try to provide completely new features that would work as either alternatives to the content that Emerald had or just straight up full expansions that none of the OG Gen 3 games had (like the complete redesigning of Mauville or the Abandoned Ship). BDSP could have easily added most, if not all of the content that was in Platinum or provide a decent alternative that mixed in well with whatever changes they had made that prevented them from giving us said qualities, but instead they completely gimped out in so many different things that they had no reason to not provide, and yet still providing A FEW that were randomly added in...why? The entirety of those two games just feel like a fever dream in terms of design.

[@solidmetagross]

Some critiques in the video: - The shiny charm only increases the chance to hatch a shiny, not encounter one in the wild. - There IS a reason that you go with Buck to Stark Mountian in BDSP, it’s because he thinks that taking the Magma Stone will make him a powerful trainer. (Dumb, I know.) - Raikou, Entei, and Suicune are the legendary Beasts, not Dogs, - “Loo-gee-uh” and “Grau-don” Other than that, loved the video. Keep up the good work, mate!

[@GameSmith45]

The last one made me spit out my drink lol. Thanks for that and for the kind words and education.

[@rjthepoet500]

I liked this breakdown overall, i appreciate how you kept it as objective as possible. My biggest gripe with BDSP is it not following the Platinum story similarly to how HGSS followed the Crystal story. I do love not using HMs and the additional TMs given by NPCs and gym leaders is nice as well in comparison to Platinum, but i also prefer Platinum overall despite enjoying some of the fresher gameplay mechanics in BDSP.

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you! You can tell there are a lot of strong feelings about this topic. I agree the story could have been a lot better with the Platinum additions

[@RoyArkon]

I'm myself am a big Platinum fan, it is my favorite Pokemon game ever, yet I myself can't deny all the good stuff that BDSP did, including those over Platinum, like the HM thing as well as the Gym/Elite Four rematches, these were amazing, just like the Distortion World and the additional story were amazing in Platinum. As far as remakes go, I've played FRLG and HGSS as well, and BDSP are actually my favorite Pokemon remakes ever, and 4th favorite Pokemon games overall (only behind Black and White 2, Legends Arceus and of course Platinum in that order). One thing regarding the EXP share though, is it can be "baby mode" but ONLY if you don't go with it's own pace. The EXP share is supposed to prevent unnecessary grind and make the games much less tedious, which is exactly what happens in SW/SH, Legends Arceus and S/V. That way you don't have to grind so much just to train your Pokemon, and not just to evolve specific Pokemon like Abra. Overall, I enjoyed the hack out of those games, and I really think that people need to stop with the nostalgia and fanboism goggles, and understand what these games really bring to the table.

[@GameSmith45]

I just wish you could turn the experience share off. That option would fix most of my issues. I definitely don't want to return to the old days without it, but it really should be optional

[@RoyArkon]

@@GameSmith45 Well it was optional back then as well. The problem is that it was the opposite (with no EXP share) by default, and the vast majority of people don't have the time to grind 6 Pokemon, let alone more than that.

[@Scitch-et4vk]

Platinum is hands down better ! More difficult too which gets points. Bdsp are pathetically easy

[@Zek3nator]

BDSP was an easy way to replay Gen 4 on modern hardware. Sinnoh and now Hisui are my favorite regions to play through, so I have a soft spot for it regardless. It does feel weird that so much Platinum content is missing though.

[@tsundere-.-]

Y'all gotta remember that BDSP wasn't even developed by GameFreak but ILCA

[@antadhg]

a good few of the issues you had with platinum were fixed in the ROMhack Pokemon Renegade Platinum. You should give it a try and see how you like it

[@alexfadell7326]

I can’t believe this video doesnt have more views or likes. Great editing and punctuality

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you! Much appreciated. Maybe some day I'll get there

[@randomedgygamer2191]

I wish we would have gotten an Oras type BDSP with new Gmax and the graphics of SWSH and new forms for the gen 4 starters who got NOTHING!!! This whole fiasco stinks

[@GameSmith45]

Yeah they really missed a big opportunity by only doing the bare minimum

[@taylorjames14]

Dynamaxing outside of galar would make 0 sense. They needed to bring back mega evolution

[@peterrealar2.067]

All the Gen 4 love was in Legends. ALL of it. Legends was the love the series needed and deserved.

[@espurrseyes42]

@@taylorjames14 They could've made up a reason for it to be possible. But yes, they should've just brought Megas back. They shouldn't have removed them to begin with.

[@joaquincasascortes624]

@@peterrealar2.067 Legends is not for everybody since it has it's own share of flaws, BUT it's indeed the best direction Pokemon can be in. If future games get the foundations from Legends and we get a modern take of Legends, it will be really good. Just imagine a gen 5 remake with Legends open world like gameplay...what a wild dream that would be

[@127madara]

It's insane how you can possibly compare a whole broken cluster**** of a story in bdsp and much improved, complete story in platinum, with JUST improving IV check function in bdsp over platinum, because you're giving both just ONE point 💁‍♂️ not every feature is equal, just so you know

[@GameSmith45]

Yeah I didn’t think about weighting the points. Platinum still won out even without it. I weighted the for ORAS vs Emerald though

[@127madara]

@@GameSmith45 wow thanks I'll watch it right now then 😄

[@Juli_is_Online]

Nice vid, nicely structured, the points well presented in a very pleasant manner. BDSP was so disappointing to me as a Gen 4 fan, as they pretty much ignored all the improvements that Platinum made over Diamond and Pearl. The Quality of life features are nice, but it's a similar story as Mario & Luigi Paper Jam back in 2015 but even worse: the QoL would be great if it was in a better game, but it doesn't save the game itself. I'm glad you appreciated Gen 4 Music, I think it's OST is absolutely beautiful and while BDSP has some nice remixes, so many tracks just lack the original punch, sound way too synthetic and have weird mixing choices, like key instruments in the original tracks being buried in the mix and at a much lowered, less noticeable volume. The affection mechanic is easily my least favourite part though, just like the exp. share, I don't understand why they keep forcing you to use previously optional things. Like if my Pokemon can survive moves all the time, cure their status conditions, dodge 100% accurate moves...then why am I even thinking at all? It's like you're playing on baby mode at that point. And you can't turn it off or reverse it unless you get your Pokemon knocked out or feed them bitter medicine. I hope to god this shit is not in Scarlet and Violet. Like what's the point of harder E4 and Cynthia if you can just cheese them with the power of friendship? Not to mention the awful difficulty curve going from everything handed to you on a Silver Platter to straight up Competitive Teams with items at the very end. Strange decisions made with this game

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you for the kind words! Totally agree on the baby mode and the power of friendship.

[@kennymarotta9924]

Im confident 99% of gen 4 fans wanted the remakes to shine i know i did i wont play them only because i think the remakes are hideous looking and when conpared to lets go or even oras the bdsp games fade to the background in my honest opinion and thats sad i wanted them to shine

[@justthenamekevin]

the points that bdsp got are not deserved… platinum is an old game so obviously it’s not going to have the fairy type and hms are going to be a major part and bdsp is so easy and BORING that i couldn’t even finish it… diamond and pearl had so much hype and want for the remakes because they are SOOO BAD!!

[@Zeenobae]

been binging your videos since getting recommended this one, really enjoy your stuff!

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you! That means a lot

[@Invisiblepainting]

Honestly, I think I would rather replay Platinum if I were to replay one. In BDSP it was extremely easy to become over levelled, there was absolutely no challenge at all in the game. The EXP share wasn't designed for this game, so it gave out too much EXP overall. The EXP levels awarded needed adjusting to account for it. I think I would have to grin and bare it with the HM's, which I have always hated. But ultimately in Platinum they added as much content as they could, while in BDSP they mainly added only what they needed to... I don't see why they didn't base the remakes off Platinum but still divide them into Diamond and Pearl with some of those version differences. BDSP were fairly fun but forgettable overall.

[@GameSmith45]

I agree about the exp share. I was always overleveled for each gym leader even though all I did was fight the trainers along the way. Also agree they should have taken some things from Platinum and included them. Not sure why they didn't

[@oldcrossing7145]

It seems rather nonsensical that Platinum loses points because of some codes being unusuable decades after its release when BDSP already has unobtainable content only a few years after release, with some being locked behind a paywall on top of that. With time, all of the games are gonna have unobtainable content, including bdsp. As for IVs, they were originally meant to make each pokémon unique. You didn't really need to perfect all of them to get through your playthrough, it was only important for competitive but the thing about competitive is that if it is hard for you so it is for your opponent and the dedication to build your team was just as much part of the competition as planning your moves (which can be both good and bad, as it can be rewarding but also less accessible). On top of that, the premise of the video was to judge the games based on the gameplay, yet we are discussing a competitive scene that has mainly moved on from both bdsp and platinum. Other than that, i do understand the dislike towards HM, but i do disagree that having some occasional limitations to team building is inherantly bad and that it affects the gameplay in Platinum as much as reiterated in the video, as most of them are very situational, aside from Fly and Surf, which are not bad moves themselves. Moves like Defog which you mentioned is only really used about twice and you can easily replace the HM holder after traversing said place. Overall, i think some aspects aren't really comparable and can't be quantified at all, like bdsp trainers not being built around the new exp. and affection system impacts the entire playthrough and it is not something that can be reduced to a mere -1 point as opposed to something like the inclusion of a small quality of life improvement made by other game.

[@KojiKamori]

Never had an issue with HM's really, to how others have the "great disdain" for them. I find surf to still be a very good all out water move, other hms are a bit annoying though but nothing too serious. Now though, such HM moves are gone with the wind and I feel that something is utterly missing from pokemon. Where with strength you had to roll boulders as if it were a puzzle or rocksmash, it made it a bit of a challenge. What arceus remedied, is giving you a flute, and you summon a pokemon that can use that special move, to fly, or to surf. Smart. Secondly is that each pokemon unlocks with the challenge of fighting them, just like the badges of old being tied to obtaining the HM, double smart. Sadly I still would think it would be cool if I flew with my own pokemon or surfed on their backs, but this like the pokeflute of arceus, would have them use it as another ability and not an actual move after a certain gym was won. Oh and Platinum was still very good.

[@thedashquota8097]

Henry! You're on your way to becoming a great video game youtuber 😎

[@GameSmith45]

Movin on up! :)

[@bvc5320]

Note on losing normal type actually removed the Hustle Extreme speed set. I think Togekiss learned ES via level up/move relearner. Also just putting this out. I don't like giving the points for updates that have been pioneered by other games. The lack of HM's, the box access update, hyper training, etc would have been present in a PLAT remake, I would actually dock BDSP for not fully implementing QL updates featured in previous games(non-breaking TM being the big one especially with how horrible reobtaining TM's can get in BDSP.) Also you forgot to mention the initial battle with the E4 as BDSP's E4 was extremely lacking in type consistency where's PLAT didn't have that issue.

[@Theloster]

Because BDSP are remakes of Diamond and Pearl not of Platinum so the Gym leaders use their teams from Diamond and Pearl.

[@kupekupe3713]

My first game was Diamond so i have nostalgia for it, but honestly in my opinion only things bdsp are better is no HMs and kinda in the Exp share, but even the Exp share is annoying sometimes being over leveled. If they put in the work and intrest, bdsp could have been awesome, but it ended up being ok since it felt they just wanted the cash

[@GameSmith45]

Agreed, they could have done much better with it. It's unfortunate.

[@JosephRobinsonSMBX]

I hate the Exp Share in gen 6-8 personally, but to each their own

[@kupekupe3713]

@@JosephRobinsonSMBX metoo, but im saying i prefer the exp share to grinding, if they got it right in any game.

[@bruced09]

@@JosephRobinsonSMBX I don’t get how anyone can hate the new exp share. It just removes grinding, which is NOT content. The problem is that they don’t build the game around this new exp share and instead make them like they’ve always done.

[@GodSlayer330]

@@bruced09 people hate the exp share because it isn’t properly handled. That’s why they want the option to turn it off because it bassically trivializes the entire game and makes the game easy as all heck.

[@Gilfredo616]

Great video! I love finding smaller channels with pretty good quality content

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you!

[@baconaterlover5399]

BD was the first Pokémon game I completed, but it seems to me that if you played DPP, there’s really no reason to be playing the remake. It adds many QoL features sure, but the older games were fine enough as is. I do very much like how I could catch and train new pokemon without feeling like I was gonna be behind in BD (really felt that in HG).

[@tim251199]

The 2022 volkswagen gets the point for having gps system while the 1970 one does not. That is the same type of reasoning why bdsp got any points. And not even talking about a bugged bdsp was. This is the type of bad judgement they are looking for in the supreme court

[@GameSmith45]

Assuming a 1970 VW was in driving condition, which one would you rather drive in? I agree BDSP has a lot of lost potential, but that doesn't make it bad.

[@snintendog]

@@GameSmith451970 VW it wont break down every few miles If i need a GPS I have my phone.

[@GabrielJeronimo-xb6nz]

platinum is better for me because the trainers have correct typings, and the story is enhanced

[@Kartierbands]

Having an hm slav was a way of life lol

[@GameSmith45]

Lol I tried to spread the HMs out instead of having a slave. I hate that they did this to us lol

[@giovannygallardo692]

Bdsp is ass cheeks Platinum is arguably the greatest pokemon game ever made

[@dalV_Studio]

BDSP difficulty is horrible, cause the overall game is easy(which is VERY GOOD CAYSE I DON'T HAVE TO GRIND THANKS TO EXP SHARE), but then the League is way too hard out of nowhere

[@compatriot852]

13:30 This should be a clear point for platnium considering how easy it is to RNG in that game and get perfect IV/shiny pokemon. I mean it's so well known that there's a very easy glitch called the cute charm glitch that makes encountering shinies ridiculously common. It's been a well known fact for years and there's dozens of guides even on KZbin showing how to do it. Even if you don't want to rng, there's an even easier method through applications like Pokegen that allow you to clone, create, and alter any pokemon including your own with all you really needing is an r4 card.

[@GameSmith45]

I'm just stepping into the Platinum scene so I was unaware of the glitches, but the point here is for the presentation of the judge function rather than being able to obtain perfect IV Pokemon. Also, I'm not sure I'd count a glitch as a point even if there's upside. To me that would just mean it's an oversight by the developers.

[@joaquincasascortes624]

@@GameSmith45 rng manipulation isn't a glitch though. Rng manip is a mechanic that skilled players can use to reduce times drastically to obtain better Pokémon and overall exploit the RNG the game provides

[@compatriot852]

@@GameSmith45 it's not a glitch or oversight. It's actually just the mechanic the Pokemon series uses to calculate Pokemon. You actually already do this normally by using a poke radar or shiny charm, which improves rng chances. There's videos from 2009 of people doing this to eggs for example that are still up on KZbin to this day

[@quintonoconnor9871]

This is great stuff. Between this video and the Emerald versus ORAS one, you've got a new subscriber - and I seldom subscribe to folks, because I don't spend a ton of time on KZbin! My only issue, and it's a minor one and highly subjective, is that I'm not a big fan of the cuts to jokes from other media. Again, totally subjective here. If a majority of your viewers feel otherwise, that's cool. I like that you used them sparingly, at least!

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you! I appreciate the feedback

[@UncleJrueForTue]

16:10 All legendary pokemon events from gen 4 and 5 are still available from changing the internet DNS number on an open unprotected wifi connection(eg a phone hotspot). You can still access every event in your region, the key items to trigger the event, and world championship exclusive pokemon to this day. Edit: For anyone curious, although I'm sure most people know.

[@SirLolcat]

I actually didn't, thank you mate!

[@UncleJrueForTue]

@@SirLolcat Fun part is you can RNG shiny hunt Rotom, Darkrai, and Shaymin due to being static legendaries(a much easier proccess than BDSP's need to use camera and record character model blinks), then transfer them over to pokemon bank and then home. Also for additional content you can transfer your BW1 event pokemon to BW2.

[@fl3m1n9o4]

i absolutely HATE that they made storage boxes accessable without going to a pokémon center. it makes the game way too easy. imagine you're in a cave in the original games and your party is super low on health. you have to leave the cave and find a pokémon center, or your pokémon might all faint if you haven't stocked up on potions. in bdsp, you can just swap out your pokémon for fully healed ones and you're fine. it's ridiculously stupid.

[@GameSmith45]

You sound like a real gamer. No cap

[@pyroronnie2473]

Yes, yes its far better then the remakes

[@GameSmith45]

Lol it was very good indeed

[@leoin1317]

Tbh there's a big issue comparing BDSP with ORAS and HGSS. Those were fresh and new. This was replaying the sane game. I got bored. I know there's the underground but they got rid of beloved mechanics and contests were embarrassing.

[@CGFillertext]

Most of the other remakes include stuff from the original third version FRLG admittedly didn’t include a lot of stuff from Yellow, which is ok because it added a lot of its own content with stuff like the Sevii Islands or the VS Seeker HGSS had stuff from Crystal like the Suicune and Eusine plot, Celebi, Buena’s password, and the additions to Ruins of Alph ORAS has a quest where Rayquaza takes a major role, just like in Emerald

[@eazybuxafew]

I was with you until you mentioned fairy type being an improvement. No sir. Two thumbs down for the fairies

[@GameSmith45]

Lol what's wrong with fairy type? It's much better than normal type

[@positivea9111]

@@GameSmith45 The Pokémon community still hate fairy type to this day.

[@diogoalmeida4293]

If its "It made Garchomp and Dragons too easy to kill" Buddy you never played Gen 5 then, they were getting out of control in that game. Is Fairy needing a nerf? Yes. But did it help keeping dragons in control? Yes. Its not like Cynthia is easier with Fairy types.

[@eazybuxafew]

@@diogoalmeida4293 “it made Garchomp and dragons easier to kill seems pretty valid to me 🤷🏾‍♂️” trust I played Gen 5 and I was prob older than you were when it was new 😂. A dragon free for all. All they could slay buffet 😂😂. But nah they’re super effective against toooo many types and resist anything even slightly offensive. They’re overkill. They should be weak to dark, and bug not resistant

[@snuffles504]

4 minutes in and there it is, "HMs bad." HMs were a key component of the series for 17 years. They provide one of the very few puzzle elements in the overworld. Move deleters and relearners with TMs give you plenty of options to work movesets around. If one of your Pokemon is stuck with a bad HM move for a bit, that just increases the game's difficulty, which last I checked, is something a lot of Pokemon fans have been asking for.

[@GameSmith45]

I'm sure life would be more challenging if my hands were chained to my ankles, but it's not the challenge I'm looking for lol

[@jaretco6423]

I don't mind HM'S. But as long as it's used for optional stuff or for side fetch stuff that are optional and not the amount of used through your main progression for about 70% of the time. Platinum has way too many of them that are required for you to progress. Without it, you ain't going anywhere unless u give it to Pokemon that u may or may not wanted them to learn it if u wanted as your main team member. And yes. U can go to an deleter to removed them. But there's still more HM'S coming that u needed and u can't get rid of them just yet until u reach the Pokemon League. That's the big problem there. Not to mentioned moves like Defog & Rock Climb aren't good moves.

[@tabbender1232]

Pt > DP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BDSP

[@mythonousblue3211]

Funny enough, those other legendaries, the johto trio and kyogre and groudon were essentially behind a similar paywall in hgss. And I feel this video goes more to show how bad bdsp is instead of how the two compare. Had bdsp been based off of platinum as it's base, there is no way platinum would have been able to compare. It is such a wasted potential. The fact that platinum held up so well against a much newer game, is a slam against bdsp. That alone makes me feel justified in my nostalgic love of this game. Also, I like the limitations of hms to a degree. I think there was a way to have both. Not having to learn hms was nice...but it also kind of broke my immersion as well. It didn't feel like legitimate progression, rather being superficial. I understand where you come from, but I'm someone who enjoys the limitations. This includes inventory limits back in gen 1 pokemon...boy do I miss that.

[@rjante2236]

The way I see it, BDSP is debatably better than Diamond and Pearl but Platinum is much better.

[@AllanDatGuy]

BSDP is the project in school you put in the least amount of effort to pass ORAS/HGSS/FRLG are the projects you try to get an A on

[@GameSmith45]

Lol good analogy

[@peteypiranalover]

Platinum is superior but they both have pros and cons that make them very similar

[@GameSmith45]

Agreed

[@dalV_Studio]

Also most of legendaries you can get in BDSP are given lazily

[@GameSmith45]

I really don’t like the mysterious shards they used for them

[@herciliavictoriagarciacont8829]

When you are doing a remake, you HAVE to: 1 Do everything you did before, 2 Do it better, 3 Add new Stuff. Heart Gold & Soul Silver are the kings of this... simply putting EVERYTHING what fans love, doing it better, and adding more stuff. BDSP lack in this HARD... especially because it SHOULD used the graphics of the current gen, that is Sword & Shit.... But the laziness of GameFreak of doing a great 3D world map make them to create a Copy/Paste game... 😑

[@GameSmith45]

That's a good summary. 3 easy steps

[@SS-yj2le]

Actually. For spiritomb, you can catch it very early and surprisingly easily. There is an area below Oreburgh where you can spawn all NPCs. It actually doesn’t take that long.

[@BBMacsWorld]

Platinum is my favourite game in the series. When it first came out, I did say BDSP was my favourite. Now I think it should've been more like platinum. I do prefer the changes that you mentioned tho!

[@schixz2]

i have a feeling you should be a way bigger channel great content

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you! Working on getting there. Slowly yet surely

[@562.anthony2]

Just got done finishing both this week and last week. I definitely had way more fun playing BDSP and Pearl and platinum were my first Pokémon games

[@562.anthony2]

Bruh game freak didn’t even make this game it was ilca

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

ew

[@saricubra2867]

BDSP is an abomination, like Nintendo Switch Sports. 60 dollars for games with less content than cheaper stuff released in 2008 and 2009 respectively.

[@GameSmith45]

Ouch. Strong words

[@dethtroy2185]

I do wish they had kept platinum story elements, but some aspects like gym leaders being more challenging, no forced hm slaves and being able to traverse the bloody northern snow fields faster were nice, also, being able to get pokemon underground, some of which you couldn't get until post game was also a nice feature, though I do wish we also could've kept more secret base customizing. these remakes are above FR/LG to me, but still lower than OR/AS and HG/SS which is still the best remakes to this day. For those wondering why I rank this, the Sevii islands weren't really all that interesting to me, and the restriction factor FR/LG had in the fact that you could not use any pokemon outside of the original 151 until you got the national dex is what really held it back, at the time being the first remake I wouldn't have seen it as such, but seeing what other remakes we've gotten since have brought to the table, it does feel like the worst to me.

[@coolmortar]

If you're going to bring up the event codes for legendaries in Platinum, then maybe it's fair to also bring up the day one patch for BDSP? The legendary events aren't accessible anymore thanks to the game being so old, but one day the same thing will happen with the patch. Not to mention that BDSP requires you to have an internet connection to even get the patch to begin with. And I'd argue that without the patch the game is unplayable. Those screeching songs are like nails on a chalkboard... Thanks 4 the vid.

[@GameSmith45]

Yeah the day one patch is a good point. Did you see my other vid about players hating bdsp? I kind of addressed this there.

[@coolmortar]

@@GameSmith45 No... but now I've seen it. Good show.

[@crystalcove99]

I feel like I never see this brought up, and I don't think it really "adds" to BDSP at all, but I really like the new small sprites used for your pokemon, both when looking in your party and in the PC box. They just look so smooth, and I hope SV uses them (or alternatively, uses the face close-ups like are used in Legends). Also, with regards to difficulty, I find it pretty funny that if it weren't for the exp share and affection mechanics, BDSP would probably be the most difficult game in the series due to Gym Leaders, Elite 4, and Cynthia having fully IV and EV trained pokemon, using competitive-level movesets, items, and strategies.

[@GameSmith45]

That's a good point. The sprites do look pretty decent

[@qxiche]

Very well put together video. While I do think you missed some things, they were minor and I still don't think it would change the result too much. Gen 4 is my favourite generation by far and despite the let downs and missed opportunities of BDSP, I still enjoy the game a ton. I agree overall Platinum is the better game, however the overall quality of life improvements which did persist do make me enjoy casually playing BDSP more than Platinum. Whilst it's a classic and still very enjoyable, it just feels so clunky compared to the new games and that makes the new games so much more appealing to me. With nostalgia bias on diamond also playing a role, it does make it so if I had the choice to play either game on their respective systems, I'm almost certain I'd pick BDSP. ...Now if only Dialga would finally be shiny I would be able to properly back this up.

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you for the kind words. I agree with pretty much everything you said.

[@spliting]

Currently doing a run of 8 Nuzlockes, one per region. It speaks volumes for at least my thoughts on BDSP that I’m playing ORAS, HGSS and FRLG (I consider Let’s Go a different sort of series), but I’m choosing Platinum for my Sinnoh experience. I’m willing to hop around multiple generations in the wrong order (3>4>6>4) because I think that highly of HGSS and ORAS, so for BDSP to drop the ball in terms of originality to the point that they fail to include stuff they made in 2009 for the sake of staying true to its roots is just heinous to me.

[@GameSmith45]

Yes, it was a mistake not to include the additional elements that made Platinum great into BDSP. Making a clone of DP wasn't a smart decision.

[@lollertoaster]

People complain about HMs, but most of the time I don't have a single HM on my team in my play-through. The game is designed to have a few choke-points where you need them to progress, but after that the world opens completely. I was surprised, because I got used to Emerald treatment, but in Platinum you can get most places with just a bike.

[@GameSmith45]

Do you end up switching them in and out to do the moves? That's not a bad idea lol. Wish I had thought of it

[@lollertoaster]

I put a bidoof on my team, when doing a Berry route or exploring area for the second time (first time I want to have a full team for trainer battles). Surf and fly are an OK move in battles so I don't mind having those on my team. The only annoying thing is Defog, but in general you don't need more than one pokemon just for HMS to go through an area. And once you get there, then you can fly over all obstacles. This playthrough I'm actually planning to go through the fog blind and use moves that always hit, might be a fun experience.

[@jaretco6423]

​@lollertoaster The problem is that there's so many of HM'S that u need to progress through the main campaign. Without it, u ain't going anywhere. And what's worst is that it is hard to concentrate your main campaign of Pokemon u wanted on your team. So u have to sacrifice one or two Pokemons for others to be an HM slave or have your main campaign learn it for you if u don't care about new moves they learn when leveling up; which I hated. When I use HM'S, I would like it to be on having an option for an branch to an different path for shortcuts or an side fetch for extra goodies. Not making an road block in which it's the only way to reach your destination for about 70% of your time. Sinnoh is just the worst on how they handled HM'S. Hoenn has this problem as well. But nowhere near as bad as Sinnoh was. Not to mentioned moves like Defog & Rock Climb sucks as movepools.

[@user-wi9se5ll3j]

Too this day I have still have not played BDSP they ruined my favorite gen. So it's glad to see people make videos on them, so I can see them. Personally I think they should've made Gen 4 remakes after Gen 9 and make it better, also made BY Game Freak. I cried for all the wrong reasons seeing the opening to BDSP.

[@GameSmith45]

I agree that GameFreak should be the ones to make the remakes. Seems like quality control slips otherwise.

[@frawsten]

Great video man, it’s my first time seeing your channel since your post game to do list for BDSP

[@GameSmith45]

Thank you! I also made some Legends Arceus content between then and now you can check out.

[@Herf18]

I mean, you could still go with graphics and plat would win. Normal types are better than fairy types. Fairy is gross. HM's made your own pokemon mean more and have more uses, instead of a random ass pokemon that isn't yours showing up to help you. EXP share robs you of your development of bonding with your pokemon.

[@cyberdrache8416]

And not lets not forget about all the glitches lmao.

[@PikaPikaLOL]

Imagine Platinum with the quality of life updates 😢

[@migo1559]

Short answer: yes Long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

[@GameSmith45]

Lmao!

[@cameronszaloky148]

Imagine paying $60 for these games

[@GameSmith45]

Lol imagine paying $120 so you could get both versions like I did

[@GameSmith45]

Lol imagine paying $120 for both versions like I did

[@luiddmonteiro4912]

The problem with BDSP was that the games were made with no love. They were the most ridiculous remakes ever made, adding nothing new beyond the improvements already achieved by previous games. Disappointing as it had the potential to be a super remake.

[@GameSmith45]

Yeah they could have gone a lot farther with it, unfortunately

[@elmuchacho3379]

When you don’t use the friendship mechanic, the e4 in bdsp is enjoyably hard. Too bad you have to manipulate the game to do that.

[@SeaSlug]

Yo 13:49. That's just not fair Giving bdsp a point for checking ivs being better is ridiculous when you consider bdsp has no vgc support and single 6v6 battles are basically non existent since it has a 20min battle timer . What is even the point of getting perfect iv pokemon in bdsp if you can't really used them anywhere

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

Wonder Trade not only took 5 months post-release to be implemented, it wasn’t even implemented *well.* Sword and Shield (the *previous* Pokémon games on the Nintendo Switch) and ALL of the 3DS entires, allowed the Player to Wonder-Trade ANYWHERE on the map, with just a press of a button. BDSP? …only at the GTS. Gotta walk/fly your a** back to Jubilife City every time you catch a Pokémon if you want to do a Wonderlocke. Great job. Such a *good, well thought-out* game. 😑

[@GameSmith45]

Yeah it was one of my favorite things from previous games. Was very disappointed at how they added things like that.

[@Void-Knull]

one thing I want to correct is that you can get the EXP share in Platinum, but it's a physical item that you have to give a Pokemon to hold

[@GameSmith45]

I did like that about platinum. I could give it to just one pokemon to help where I needed it instead of making the whole team overleveled for every gym battle.

[@flobadosh]

The fact that the two are even being compared goes to show that BDSP messed up badly, yes ORAS also got compared to Emerald but no where near as much as BDSP.

[@jonnyt10101]

Loved the Video! What I'd love for EXP Share? Is a toggle for Each Pokemon. So if there is a certain Mon that is over levelled, you could choose for it to not gain EXP through sharing. E.G If I had my starter at 20 and another at say 15. But then caught something at say...10? I'd normally use the lvl 15 so I can get it and the weakest up in skills. Would be cool if I could toggle it for my starter so they don't suddenly end up at like 23/24.

[@GameSmith45]

That would be perfect

[@thatgamerguy6449]

11:14 you get an exp share in platinum too it’s an equip item Not annoying like new gen it’s nice keeping your party to a similar level but it’s hard keeping your mains from being over leveled

[@RiftFishing]

The Spiritomb argument is a little more complicated. In BDSP you can talk to unique NPC's, but in DPPt you can only talk to actual trainers, meaning other players which are only accessible via local wireless, not wifi. So if you have a friend or additional DS that are okay with just sitting while you go in and out of the underground, then it's easier, but if you don't have those then Spiritomb is unobtainable in Platinum entirely.

[@GameSmith45]

Yeah I misunderstood that one when I was researching. Thanks for clarifying!