Is Race a Biological Reality? Race Metatheory with Dr. Mario Burns

[@suspiciousentity9305]

I didn't hear people talk about race or self-identify based on the colour of their skin much at all before the re-introduction of the language into common parlance through the rise of intersectional feminism. People might have identified through nationality or ethnicity, but not race. Skin colour was just a singular polygenic trait, before it became a more common obsession for some people, particularly in the academia and in the media. There are certainly differences between localized populations, particularly if they've been by themselves for a long time. Sometimes traits converge more within religious sects, leading to recognizable visual features that may be in contrast with those of other locals. Different traits get passed on through lineages, but no one inherited theirs from a racial collective: your genetics came from your parents. Your culture, which is situated in a locally shared environment certainly shaped you, as well. It has deep ties with your sense of what is familiar and what is not. It's important we retain the ability to talk about generalized differences, of which skin colour is just one singular example, between populations and lineages, but race is a concept that should be discarded. There is relative genetic relatedness, which is a factor in human interaction whether we like it or not, but its more socially coherent analogue, which many tend to want to communicate about, is based on an inherently false categorization that, while perhaps useful for rough, approximating pattern recognition, is still very much perspective-bound. Distance plays a role. Africa is the most genetically diverse continent out there, but the race realist from another continent will reduce the various ethnic groups that canonically inhabit the continent's sub-Saharan parts to a single hue. The various ethnic groups throughout the continent will no doubt have a different perspective on each other, which serves their immediate communicative purposes. I'm no more white than they are black. I don't view the peoples of Ireland, France or Spain that have Celtic heritage as white, either. It would also be useful to frame ethnicity as something that people do instead of as something that people are: its roots are in recognising people with a shared heritage, which isn't fundamentally genetic, even if genetic inheritance and relative genetic relatedness, or its social analogue can play a role in categorizing people. Doing it based on skin colour can be surprisingly imprecise if the intent is to determine relative relatedness. Half-siblings can come in many hues, which can become a source of ugliness or not be a problem at all for how they treat each other. Sometimes the most significant differentiating thing between two ethnic groups can be a difference in religion, for historical reasons. Two groups can be more genetically related to each other than to other neighbouring ethnic groups, share a common history up to a particular point of divergence, etc., but people will recognize the other group to be a completely different people. It's all pretty messy, but it would be useful to talk about the things that underlie what is often reduced to racial differences. Race as a concept really ought to be buried for good, because invoking it does little more than confuses people, usually with ugly outcomes. It would be unhelpful to tell people not to categorize each other, but we can at least try to be cognizant of what it's all based on. To ground these categorizing ideas in fact, as much as possible, and to keep in mind that they are simply socially propagated ideas that resemble rough, generalizing sketches that are inherently inaccurate when applied to real-life situations. They may be a useful crutch in making sense of mind-boggling complexity and communicating about things, but that's all they are.

[@xkidmidnightx]

There are absolutely biological differences between races.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

[the following is a copy / paste of my reply to another on this page] Of course there are and he knows it. His issue is that by CONSTANTLY discussing it, it becomes the hang up we can't get past in societal discussions. You may disagree with the verbiage he uses, but would ask that you watch his video and listen to this podcast. You still may not appreciate his view, but will have a better understanding of his position.

[@livenotbylies]

It's not significant. You could make up categories along all sorts of shallow characteristics. Racial categories are only meaningful because of how we treat these shallow differences. I think it is more truthful to say that it does not objectively exist

[@xkidmidnightx]

@@livenotbylies there are greater differences between human races than between domesticated dogs, wolves and coyotes. You can play the whole Reddit tier “durr genes don’t matter, categories are social constructs silliness” all you want, but it’s not true. Also people from different groups are treated differently because of their groups behavior patterns. It’s the same reason I’d treat a pitbull differently than a golden retriever.

[@DeepsongProductions]

​@@livenotbylies Your comment is incoherent How can it be more "truthful" to pretend something doesn't exist?

[@livenotbylies]

@@DeepsongProductions because there is a ton of variation between populations, the way we group them together into races (in the modern sense) is based on rather minor variations that happen to be highly visible. Different ways of slicing data into groups (clustering) are based on more or less statistical differences. The more differences and the more statistically significant those differences are the more real or true the existence of a separate class objectively is. It's math. The modern conception of race is rather arbitrary. The only thing that makes it stand out from other ways of grouping population is the superficial identify ability of the features

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

OMG... Dr. Burns was absolutely WONDERFUL! Need to finish his video, about 1/2 way through, but he was engaged, articulate and genuinely interested in feed back in real time. This was a GREAT call... TY🥰

[@abacaxiveer]

I should have been kinder before being so straight up in critique mode, lol. I blame my Dutch racially inspired directness.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@abacaxiveer ..❤No worries at all. I too was taken aback by the verbiage used and I actually need to finish his video and plan to watch this conversation again. I was a bit distracted in chat, as I typically am when GODerating, so I sure I missed a some details. I was very impressed with what I heard and he just describes the issue differently than you or I expect to hear.

[@AndyJarman]

Dr Burns tends to view race as a purely external imposition upon people. It's been my experience that many circumscribed groups define and limit themselves, very often unconsciously. The contrast between the economic success of Nigerian migrants to the US and native black Americans being a case in point. If the status of people by skin colour is imposed, why are Nigerians and West Indians suceeding in the US where native black Americans are not?

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Because those populations represent a succesful middle class elite in their own countries?

[@AndyJarman]

I am from the UK (the old world). I stayed with a family in Texas for a month. It was shocking how people were locked into perceptions of each other as members of a race. The small town I was living in was divided by race. While my friend's grandmother lived in the "black" part of town, the family itself lived in the white part of town. You could see a physical change in the character of the neighbourhoods. Had I not met the grandmother, or ordered takeaway food at a fast food take away at the shopping mall I might never have met or even seen"black" people. I now live in Australia and see a similar division between the Aboriginal Australians and ALL migrant peoples. I have learned the Australian experience is due to a lot of psychological problems endemic in "Aboriginal" people that reduces their ability to function in a Western Society. Aboriginal families suffer from inherited Complex PTSD that perpetuates intergenerationally. In the Old World there is a perception of differences between neighbouring countries. But those differences are minor and it is easiers to understand that the number of countries by which two communities are separated the bigger the difference between them. Differences are more "spectrumed" and related to climate and geography and the culture this produces. In the New World this connection and relationship between people and their place is severed and culture and physical appearance is lost. In New World societies the characterisation of peoples is based upon the reputation of people within the society that each migrant group forms. Migrant communities tend to exploit certain niche occupations which tends to form their New World identity. Furthermore, the identification of race tends to be less subtle and more stark, to a native European it strikes me as a kind of "painting by numbers" migrant groups form homogenous blocks and ghettoise. In the UK this does happen among Europeans but it isn't half as fixed and while racial signifiers are more subtle intermixing between is much more fluid after one or two generations. My partner is Argentinian, to me she is Spanish Italian, but here in Australia people have great difficulty positioning her in their racial framing model.

[@SK-ut6tw]

England is extremely tiny compared to the United States. It's normal for enclaves to exist.

[@m.h.9597]

Before even watching I knew where this is going. Basically no evidence or good arguments made. But this guy is all about love, and this is why he is right, and his preference supersedes the natural law. Anybody can answer all his questions posed, no problem. All this is, is a; stupid- confidence scam. Nothing more and nothing less.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

He proved his own point about not finding truth from a false standpoint almost immediately.

[@laurenholt269]

Great talk. I love his approach to questioning people's false beliefs about themselves based on race and identitarianism. As a white person, however, I don't feel like I am in a position, in our current, woke society, to question people like Dr. Burns does, no matter how gently. At this point, sad as it makes me, I just avoid talking to certain people about these topics.

[@MarioBurns-ur1eh]

Since publication, I have shared this article with various academics (Counselors, Psychologists, Medical Doctors, Lawyers, etc.) and there has been a consilience reached in regards to the veracity of the material. Now, allow me to please wade into these waters of discussion. I must express myself in the best manner I can which is what I encourage each of you to always do. Please follow each of my words as best you can and ask questions about anything that I share if it is not abundantly clear. In fact, I encourage you all to ask questions about EVERY WORD anyone shares. Also, as a kind aside in regards to my speaking style, accent, and tone, the “St. Louis accent” is very real. My apologies if there were some “hurr” “thurr” “everywhurr” mixed in the presentation with Leslie, it’s all good y’all. That’s the beautiful St. Louis in me, I love it! Imagine my tone within this discussion as one of politeness, courtesy, respect and a love for human kind, and the humanity of each human being, because that is certainly the tone and intent I have in my mind as I share. I share this message as I do each message with a purpose of clarity, unity, and peace. I state this because I often pose questions, many questions in fact. I am that child, that student, that asked a million questions and I am now that highly qualified professional expert that continues to ask a million questions, as I consider myself to be an incessant student of life. It is this thirst for learning that I have had all my life that has led me to pursue higher education, teaching, writing, speaking, etc. I know many of you understand what I’m saying because you possess a similar thirst for knowledge and understanding; that has been evident to me by virtue of many of your responses you have shared which I greatly appreciate. As you read along and join me on this journey, I ask that you consider how we all possess ignorance because no one knows everything. In fact, in the big scheme of things we actually are far more ignorant about the world and everything about life versus being knowledgeable about them. Simply put, there is more that we don’t know, versus what we know. Solely because we all possess ignorance however that does not mean that we are ignorant people, nor does it make us stupid; it simply means that nobody knows everything. With that being said, I ask that you consider a question: If someone is saying something, and they use a word, no matter what that word may be, shouldn’t they know the meaning of each word they use? Consider in everyday conversation as you are speaking, or someone is speaking to you, isn’t that the case, or shouldn’t it be? Indeed, if someone uses a word, no matter what that word may be, shouldn’t they be able to share with you what that word means and what they mean by the use of that word? Consider a case in which you ask someone “what does that word mean?” and they are unable to provide you with a definition or meaning of the word they just used regardless of what they are talking about. At that point, you can do nothing but deny that someone has understanding, if they are unable to give an account of something to themselves or others. 2 of 7

[@thecluuchannel4705]

This is still my favorite. I feel like young Magneto when he was underwater trying to stop that submarine. "There are others like me. I'm not the only one". I hope the good doctor is prepared to get hate from both sides of the political and skin color spectrum. It's not easy delivering this message. The cats with the tiny hats NEED blacks and whites to believe in race in order for their agenda to progress. They NEED it, Leslie!

[@ludwigr.reindl4146]

When I think of Race I am often reminded of Charles Darwin and his studies of a single species of Finch (the bird) on the Galapagos Islands. The islands became as a microcosm of the globe we Humans inhabit as a species.

[@AndyJarman]

I'm tending to view the world through the concept of Complex PTSD. I am currently accutely aware that entire communities inherit warped responses and coping strategies when confronted with stressors. I am aware that class divides are often based upon these group inherited CPTSD responses. Coming from the UK I am accutely aware of and unconsciously respond to social class signifiers. I feel less comfortable with groups from certain social classes because I am aware of their group bias towards my class. These differences are signalled to them by my speech, my tastes, vocabulary and my use or lack of use of these class signifiers. I have noticed peoples that have suffered colonisation tend to inherit intergenerational stressor responses that lock them into groupings of people with similar response schema. For example, upper and middle class English tend to suffer from parental neglect. Professional and aristocratic classes perpetuate and cultivate the idea that children must be aculturated by boarding school into a narrow spectrum of values and behaviours that marks them out as people of "quality". This often involves them inheriting an anxiety concerning conformity with their class for fear of ostracism from the group. The aristocratic and professional class will often exhibit a cold distant formality towards their children with crisp emotional boundaries and an unmet need, fear or ignorance of intimacy. The working classes in the UK are more identified with their regional origin in the speech they use. The middle classes strive to lose their regional accent in a desire to enter the world of the boarding schooled classes. There is a distinction between the accent of the boarding schools and the received pronounciation of BBC English. Both have been created to dislocate the speaker from their regional origins. I strongly suspect this originates from the Norman conquest of England, Wales and Ireland in 1066 (a thousand years ago). Uttering French and Latin expressions is a signifier that you are a member of the French speaking stentorian classess. After 1066, the English language fell from use in legal official documents in England and Wales for 300 years, everything was written in the French of the ruling class. To this day the medical and legal professions use mainly Latin but with a good smattering of French to signify membership of the Norman French ruling class. Latin being the language of the church and international learning. The cultral grooming to ensure exclusion by social class also happens between dominant and migrant groups. The definition of migrant groups, in my experience tends to become more extreme and characatured in the adopted country as a means of securing acceptance where extended families may be missing. I lived in an expact community of British people in the United Arab Emirates for three years. Their view of what the UK was and how it operated was curiously outdated and conservative. They drank and then drove cars - something that had been dropped by the majority in the UK due to strict policing and government campaigns on television and radio in the preceding decades, yet these expats hadn't received the message and were remarkably ununhibited in this regard. They smoked like chimnies too! I see patterns of intergenerational CPTSD of the oppressed English lower classes reoccuring in indigenous classes like the Aboriginal Australians of my adopted home. To me the use of alcohol, sport and dance music are coping strategies the working class shares with other damaged peoples like the Aboriginal Australians and perhaps the native and black non migrant American. I note there is a lot of hostile and resentful reaction to Leslie's guest in this video. I suspect she has transgressed a number of cultural boundaries in the US. I find that fascinating, and suspect it signifies the importance placed upon the idea of race as a classification in the US?

[@SK-ut6tw]

There is actually biological reality of ethnicities...

[@m.h.9597]

This is like saying the earth is flat. Please people get of your high horses and accept the reality thats staring you in the faces. Sure we're all human beings and are all deserving of respect and human dignity...but obviously we're not all the same. And the differences are not all physical but also physiological. Arguing the obvious is not a sign of an intelligent society. Don't over do it with the extreme self righteousness to the point were ot becomes discominatory and just simply wrong. To the Lord we're not all the same, but the Lord judges on our deeds. And it is the Lords order of life that we have ingroup preference and take care of our own. Other wise society can't exist and move forward. If we don't take care of out own than nobody else will.

[@airgin3000]

There are race differences. Let's cut the bullshit.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Of course there are and he knows it. His issue is that by CONSTANTLY discussing it, it becomes the hang up we can't get past in societal discussions. You may disagree with the verbiage he uses, but would ask that you watch his video and listen to this podcast. You still may not appreciate his view, but will have a better understanding of his position.

[@MarioBurns-ur1eh]

All people that look a certain way are not disenfranchised nor are they privileged. The truth is that everyone shares both life’s tragedies and comedies that continue to happen on infinitely other occasions. To continue to perpetuate a caste system of race that systemically denies human rights to people works against the foundations of education, counseling, and psychology. Question: You are this “so called race”, your kids, will be that, their kids, and their kids and everybody that looks like them to perpetuity? This highlights how “race is a farce”. There are people of multiple different colors that feel totally different, or similar. When we speak of experiences and perceptions, each person is unique. To assume that we know anything about a person solely based on their physical appearance works against establishment of a counseling relationship and denies them their humanity. It also creates a puzzling dynamic within the relationship because of the lack of clarity. I ask that you consider this question: RMT and Manifesto on Race states we are all human and that is considered radical versus grouping humans into categories based on non-descript terms that constantly change over time. Race has never done anything but divide humanity (APA, 2013). Indeed, my dear people of America and the world, "I could help many more find peace and freedom if they only realized their hearts and minds, confused by the heinously false ideas of race, were not truly free”. I encourage us to “spread love, not race”. Race does not bring people together in any regard. I ask you to consider how when people are “coming together” or “forced together” based on race, that predicament exists because of the very concept itself and the fact that there is another group that feels power over the group that has to “come together” because “they” are in some way against that group whoever “they” may be for the identified group. Without addressing the actual concept itself, the manner in which race is discussed and rationalized within various fields of education and research is confusing, and unwittingly contributes to the incalculable problems race as a concept presents (Burns and Vaugh, 2021). Serious question: who are these so-called races of people? What do they do? What do they wear? What do they eat? If they are grouped together inappropriately by their looks surely these things are as well right? If we are discussing a painter, electrician, counselor, etc. We have those answers do we not? This is an example of the continued confusion with race. In the end, race serves it’s purpose of division because there will always be exceptions to each of those questions posed. Each time you listen to anyone they may be making a very eloquent point however when the concept of race is brought in, division ensues every time because of the ambiguity with the concept itself. The concept cannot mean all the heinous things it originated from and somehow now change; again the same poison fruit. All of the labels of race dehumanize us all. Is it fair to call kids that? Teach kids these things? Is it wise to do so given the vast calamity caused by the concept of race? Are we never to address this issue? Who else to address this issue? Are we to rely on future human beings to live through life, grow older, go to graduate school, and kick the can down the road? I contend, human beings in these great United States are currently labeled by color as if they are “chess pieces” or some other game. 4 of 7

[@brutalum]

technically it's not a race thing, but a sub-species thing.

[@dakota-sessions]

Evolutionary Drift Is Real

[@everybodyshook]

This poor guy is trying his best to articulate his point but it's coming out too scattered to be effectively persuasive... If it helps, the most definitive work I've found on this subject (race being a faulty classification system) comes from evolutionary biology: "The term " race" is freely employed in many kinds of literature, but investigation of the use of the word soon reveals that no exact meaning 1s, or perhaps can be, attached to it, as far as modern human aggregates are concerned. Even the origin of the word " race" is uncertain." In this work from 1936, the term "ethnicity" is first introduced as a replacement for "race" which has always had a revolving door of differing uses/definitions. Most of the people in the comments below have no concept of the differences of definition/use and while they're quick to reinforce a general misunderstanding of racial differences/disparities -- not one of them could distinguish ethnic and environmental effects from that of what they understand "race" to mean. In short, they're wrong - Dr. Burns is generally correct, but needs to put more work into making his point more compelling and concise. "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" -Richard Feynman

[@abacaxiveer]

I largely disagree with Dr. Burns on these matters. I agree with him that there are many definitions of this concept, almost al of them mental and/or social constructs. In my opinion however (please read any matter of fact statement below with that caveat) this does not falsify the hypothesis of the 'biological reality'. The 'constructivist' and 'realist' concepts, the latter being a classification in nature based on differences independent of human interpretation, can both be true. They are different things that are not mutually exclusive. The discussion is often greatly affected by the idea that a 'realist' approach for this particular classification is already the domain of the far right (or indeed for the far left) and that right thinking people, particularly the 'experts' in academia, all agree the realist approach is outdated, debunked. A quick look at the Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy on the matter, or for example a lengthier look at the work of Dr. Quayshawn Spencer, will disprove that. All one needs for a 'biological' concept of race are these two notions: 1) noticing that humanity can be divided in large groups that have similar traits that cluster 2) that these are passed through to children, possibly at least partly independent of environment. Notion 1 deductively follows from notion 2, so all we really need is the second. This is what a biological and realist definition of race boils down to. I am of the opinion countless people throughout history have had this thought. It does not matter whether they called it 'race' or not. I feel it is a very western centric, or indeed US centric, idea that the realist concept of race was deviced by the West only. I cannot imagine of sub Saharan Africans or East Asians not having done the same. I agree with Dr. Burns that this idea of race was a means to divide people, but, I do not think there is anything inherently evil in making divisions. I quote him: 'We are just all different, each of us are different, and that is OK.' I agree, but to me that does not go for individuals only, it goes for groups too. Yes, great evil has been and is being done using this division. So, from a utilitarian/pragmatic philosophical perspective why would you use them? Well, consider the example of our recent world virus related health crisis. Some have 'stratified' trial results into age groups, sex, and race, etc. There are good reasons for doing this: drug or other interventions may affect these groups differently (it does not necessarily matter whether this is would be caused by genetics or environment). Recognizing and correcting this may 1) make the trial more sensitive in that it can find even cross group health effects that would otherwise have remained hidden 2) give useful information how to make further trials much better 3) reveal information on how to better help any of the groups specifically. We can do both good and evil with classifications like these. I agree they have a stigmatizing effect to them. I however think removing all use of them in science and other fields is throwing the child out with the bathwater.

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Please join us in chat to flush out some of your thoughts with others, in a live setting. Who knows, maybe Dr. Burns will join in and be able to address some of your thoughts 😺

[@abacaxiveer]

@@NinjaKittyBonks Uh oh :). I feel a bit bad already, maybe I should have listened to the talk first :).

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@abacaxiveer ...I have heard about 1/2 so far and like it. Just as with anyone's opinion, I am not in full agreement on everything, but nor am I in full agreement with ANYONE on everything. He mentions some things that are to be considered, but must also take further consideration as well. May not make sense to hear that, but when you watch the video, it will make more sense

[@abacaxiveer]

@@NinjaKittyBonks No, that makes sense to me. And you can agree with someone a lot, but if you agree with everything they say, you just haven't listened to them long enough :).

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@abacaxiveer ...LOL... never heard that before, but I really like that take. I need to get back and finish his video, as he was WONDERFUL with Ms. Leslie here

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Listening to the video LINKED in description and this looks to be a fascinating conversation. I can predict he is and has been the target of the most "inclusive" among us, as the subject of their social outcasting. Wish I had a better outlook for what I see as the eventual outcome of all we see, though I have done my best for the last 8 years, not to be black-pilled over it all. I still have a small bit of hope, that can be best described as a sliver. There is indeed a turning of the tide in progress, but I am just not convinced it will be enough to divert the intended outcome of it all. I do have hope, though regrettably.... it is far less than I ever imagined in my life before seeing all that I have seen and knowing all that I have come to understand 😢

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

It's already 1984

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@RonNeilsen-xc5lh .. Indeed 😢

[@OrwellsHousecat]

I ❤ his voice

[@MarioBurns-ur1eh]

Some people strongly identify with what they have been labeled. I ask are you identifying with the label, or is it more about your unique cultural experiences, background, and heritage instead? Is it more about the challenges and struggles, people you identify with have faced, and the strides that have been made throughout history that you are proud of and don’t’ want those strides to be forgotten, or is it more about a label that someone told you, you are, based upon your physical characteristics? If you took a DNA test it will show that your DNA is mixed, as it is for everyone; the results will not assign you a race. Race is an idea that created a system to divide people. If we perpetuate the idea of race that was meant to divide, we will always be divided, that was the very purpose. Please understand in groups, similar so-called races appear to be physically more similar, which make it challenging to dismiss the idea that there may be significant biological differences between groups. I ask you to consider how greater exposure to socioeconomic disadvantage and discrimination may lead to greater activation of certain physiological mechanisms, such as the stress response, and different health behaviors (Cunningham, 2014). This is incredibly pertinent given various historical segregation polices (e.g., separate but equal laws, Jim Crow, etc.) in the U.S. based upon skin color and race (Zamudio et al., 2011). If you have a group of people that by law are exposed to various things regardless of how they look they are still exposed. It is not how they look that determines the stress response but rather their exposure to various stressors. It is not clear “what race measures” (Cunningham, 2014). Consider data on just about anything, there are people that are facing issues that look all different types of ways and come from various backgrounds. The way they look has no bearing on the issue or their condition. If we looked at stats there are people that are affected by the phenomenon and given their unique factors and conditions that contribute to the issue, is what causes the issue. There are people that are affected by things that look physically different but we currently unfortunately categorize the people by their physical characteristics instead of the people who are, or are not dealing with said issue. RMT postulates there are multiple unexplored factors within research that groups of people face based upon their geographical location, and time in human history. These unexplored factors may explain variance associated with disease incidence, outcomes, and prevalence among groups of people better than generalizations associated with race. For example, we theorize that a group of people that have been living together for an extended period of time in the same geographical location will more likely have more in common (e.g., habits, diet, culture, etc.) regardless of the color of their skin. We posit generalizations based upon race miss the opportunity to explore the diversity of potential variables for correlative data that may help identify important developments in scientific research. 5 of 7

[@OrwellsHousecat]

If he thinks that race is a social construct that causes issues (racism) then so too for other social constructs (eg sexism)

[@carrieshayne89]

I appreciate your challenging/questioning these thoughts and putting it out as a natural way to just be! I think people who think these differences exist either don't know many people of other races, or base the belief on little experiences and stereotypes. Cultural and socioeconomic differences make much of the differences between humans. I refuse to accept such a limiting black/white existence, bc it's actually silly to entertain.

[@ragepig1059]

i find it fascinating how you ve managed ofr years to circumvent the obvious physical and sx role differences in men and women and how there IS something to feminism. Everything else is BS but I note you never address feminism do you. The truth is separatism is right for us.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

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[@stevecrockett29]

Thank you. I've been saying this for years. There is no such thing as 'race'. Physical characteristics, skin color, eye color, texture of hair, etc, do not make anyone part of another 'race'. We are all part of the human family. Yes, any 'biological' differences are just characteristics we inherit from our predecessors. All fertile male and female humans can make babies together, complete with the 'biological' characteristics that will be passed on. My predecessors together passed on the nordic characteristics to me. That's how I present. Not a separate 'race', just characteristics. Well done Dr. Burns. Thanks Leslie for this, and your many great presentations.

[@xkidmidnightx]

You know that domestic dogs, wolves and coyotes can all interbreed right? Genetically they are closer to each other than the different human races. Would you treat a golden retriever the same as a wolf? Do they have the same characteristics? Should we stop classifying them as different sub species because it may make canids feel bad?

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

"Is it the Levt or the Right who is the farking racists"- discuss

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

That is an easy question to answer and takes only a casual look at events to know the answer immediately

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

​@@NinjaKittyBonks So why are y'all still leftoids?

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@joseph-k7l2v ... Yup. That is what I was getting at, but did not want to cloud anyone's honest opinion.

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

Leslie, you really don't have any excuse - it's not good to promote Marxist subversion, and most especially seeing that you're a victim of it

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

Wonder how long it will take Leslie to censor me over my views around this...

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

As I just asked @goodsisterbadsister .... provide some evidence to support her censoring you or ANYONE

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

Leslie, ur supposed to be from Texas and understand Manners - l can promise you l hold this against Ninja

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@RonNeilsen-xc5lh ... Accusations are easy. However, unlike when heard by leftists, even the most minor of critical thought from anyone else, will want corroboration to support it. So will repeat the question I have already asked above (and 98% sure have asked you a few weeks back)... Why would I censor you and show me how you know that it is I who have done so? . You have no cause to say this, yet here I am trying to ascertain why it is you say so, Were I of a mind, I could simply delete your comment, ban your account from access to this channel and just ignore you entirely. I have not done so, nor has Leslie, so... here I am willing to have the discussion.

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

@@NinjaKittyBonks Leslie, this is your kind of Mod - the kind of creep that sees intimidation as a first resort

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

Leslie, l mentally checked out of "school" as a seven yr old and yet still run rings around you creeps...

[@goodsisterbadsister1474]

Leslie, ...you ars the brainiest person ...and yet you censor Conservatives

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

Provide and example then show it is her and not yt

[@goodsisterbadsister1474]

@@NinjaKittyBonks I don't even know how to answer that - are you some kind of bouncer or something?

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@goodsisterbadsister1474 ... You answer it by giving me and anyone who may have read your comment or yet to... an example of HOW Leslie censors conservatives (or anyone else). This is an easy question, but not easy to answer, because censorship of conservatives on this platform is EXCEPTIONALLY COMMON. What I could provide as proof of this, as it pertains to me personally, would BOGGLE THE MIND, yet... were I to do so, this comment would be removed by that platform. I know this, as I have have tried many, many times and my explanations go un-read, because they are terminated. I am quite sure you also have an account named Missy and ask that you provide evidence of censorship or let it go and return to the chat again 😺

[@goodsisterbadsister1474]

@@NinjaKittyBonks Leslie, is Ninja some kind of yt proxy for you?

[@goodsisterbadsister1474]

@@NinjaKittyBonks You've got to understand that l utterly despise you

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

Leslie, l never meant the Chat to be like this (have you noticed it's ALWAYS Ninja?) Anyway, you is the brightest - God bless...

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

The Kitty is a loyal follower of those I sub and always make the time to support their LIVE and Premiere content when available. Fortunately for me, Benjamin and Leslie appear to coordinate their content, so as not have them on concurrently, though once or twice, I have had only a minute to hit the litter box between them😸Another channel is quite random and fairly often conflicts with either of these creators and the other two are standing 6PM (PST) Sunday / Wednesday, so rarely conflict with others. So far, it has worked out well, but being a GODerator is the only guarantee of my ability to NOT be blocked in any given chat by my "friend" on yt, so while it is a heavy burden to moderate 5 channels, the ability to engage with others is certainly worth such commitment. There is one channel with a SPECTACULAR following of the most welcoming of any chat room I have ever seen, yet... I am lucky if able to make any chats in the hours pre-LIVE, but am booted before it does go live or VERY shortly afterword... very frustrating 😡

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

I just wish that Leslie would stop seeing me as some kind of enemy

[@theradicalcenter]

Sorry, who are you and why do you think I see you as an enemy?

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

Leslie, you've censored people...don't pretend you haven't. Ok, so is this a new stance from you? You're not going to censor even the most objectionable of nonsense?

[@NinjaKittyBonks]

@@RonNeilsen-xc5lh ... I don't believe that Leslie realizes you also go by another screen name of "Missy [do not recall rest of screen name]"

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

​@@NinjaKittyBonks Leslie, l can completely empathise about having lunatics creeping me out.

[@RonNeilsen-xc5lh]

​@@NinjaKittyBonks I have a "special" name for you but because you choose to be so special...Leslie, l can't tell you or anyone about that name because this censorious douche-nozzle has already censored me from before