Is Rauru Really THAT Stupid? | A Zelda Timeline Theory

[@Florjb0rjTheFloorboard]

I just wonder why Zelda or any other sage didn't just pry Ganondorf's secret stone off his forehead once he was frozen, it would've been easy(ish); he's rendered helpless, they have functioning hands/weaponry, BOOM no secret stone for Ganondorf.

[@linkstering]

And link had a chance to get the stone or at least cut off Ganondorf s hand before he had ate the stone and transformed, but he just stood there looking at him.

[@tiredbird471]

​@@linksteringLink made the same calculation I did. If the soul of ganon was destroyed by draconification there could be no regeneration only a reset of the cycle so why wouldn't you let him purge his self and sense of power to prevent him from ever rising again?

[@dbv8600]

I suspect in order to attack or even touch Ganondorf you would need to break or interfear with Rararu's seal and set Ganondorf free. Remember Ganondorf was trapped and weakend but he did create several calamity Ganons over the generations so not defenseless. Sure he was probably more weakend when the seal was new but again messing with Ganondorf might have accidently freed him. Also when Zelda told Rauru about the future where Ganondorf is still alive and powerful Rauru said that the best possiblity was that Zelda's presence could change history and allow them to win. But if they were not able to change history it was garunteed that the future Zelda described would come true. So no matter what Zelda would find "Ganondorf he lives on until my time as powerful as ever". If they couldn't change history and Ganondorf would still be alive and powerful in the future for sure then they only they could do was make preperations to help Link deal with Ganondorf when the inevitable happened.

[@midgetydeath]

For the same reason that Link didn't immediately warn Zelda of Ganondorf's plans in Ocarina of Time when he first went back in time: we would have a much shorter game. But, really, we could have just played that story as the game instead with that as the ending...

[@pancakes8670]

It would probably mess with the seal. I highly doubt the Sages wanted to risk screwing up Raurus Seal and freeing Ganondorf after everything they went through. Even the possibility it could accidentally free him was too much of an idea.

[@TheBreadPirate]

Holy heck! You got half of the Zelda community to help you with this video. And it turned out amazing. Not only is this one of the most ambitious videos I've seen about TotK, but it's extremely well edited! And it's your first!?! Hats off to you Banuune. I can't want to see more of your theories about Hyrule and Zeldra- I mean the Light Dragon.

[@Banuune]

xD Yeah. A lot of people helped me. And i'm so thankful for it. And yes it's my first "edited" video. I never used davinci or any other editing program. So I'm glad they showed me how to use them. And yeah. I think there will be another video about Zeldra-IMEANTHELIGHTDRAGON!

[@uidtoficial6086]

Bread Pirate, I salute you. Big fan here.

[@trashcatlinol]

Wait.... this is their first video? What a let down.... nothing to binge.... I guess I gotta wait impatiently for the next video drop XDD

[@Banuune]

@@trashcatlinol yes, it's sadly my first Zelda video. The next one is in the workings, but I have a real job, so it's taking me a bit longer than expected xD

[@Banuune]

@@trashcatlinol sorry to leave you waiting

[@MarioRodriguez-qi6bi]

I see a problem. Totk past has already Zoras and Ritos. They fight alongside the other sages. However Ritos are a separate evolution of the Zoras that happens after Ocarina of time

[@Banuune]

Yeah I know. But there is a simple explanation to that: Nintendo was too lazy to make new models and just re-used some existing stuff. I'm working on my timeline video, where I go more in-depth about the pros and cons about my theory. And if you stick around, you will see my reasoning behind the laziness argument 😉

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

​@@BanuuneI don't think that it's laziness, if it is not intentional

[@manuelacedo2406]

@@Banuune You are right, Nintendo is lazy about the story. Anuma already said he doesnt care to much about the time line. :( sad ):

[@darkdagger5237]

@@Banuune That's a dangerous mentality that generally leads to the theorist being lazy instead of the story writers. You should re-think that argument.

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

@@darkdagger5237 Why TF should a theorist be a better writer than the creator of the source material that they're theorizing on? It's Nintendo's job to write a solid, fully functional narrative; all theorists need to do is take the subjective parts of that narrative and expand upon them in interesting ways that could give the story even more theoretical depth. It matters far less if a theorist is "lazy" than it does if the source writer is lazy!

[@hippothehippo]

if you obtain the mastersword before the last opportunity to do so at the end, zeldra flies up into an even higher cloud barrier, which has the same coloring as the one that's below skyloft.

[@Dan-kg9no]

???

[@llliwwille]

What criteria is needed to see this?

[@hippothehippo]

@@llliwwille Obtain the master sword questline, obtain 1.75 stamina wheels, then land on the Light Dragon and draw the sword. Once you pass the 90% threshold, it happens.

[@lowesgameing2003]

I feel like this timeline makes more sense than most of the theories I've seen

[@Banuune]

Thank you. A lot of thoughts went into it

[@sakuparkkonen2959]

God bless you ✝️😇

[@guichabanaano27]

Wait until Nintendo makes the official timeline and just puts it in somewhere randomly since they don't make the games lore in mind so the timeline is a mess🫠

[@MsMonkeyKid]

Creating a champion states that breath of the wild take place so long after the other games the events of the other games are known as the era of myths and legends so it’s already been confirmed to be at the very end of the time line before tears of the kingdom even released

[@KhaozDeluxe]

Didn’t Nintendo confirm that the history of the original Zelda timeline was destroyed before the Zonai descended down to Hyrule?

[@Banuune]

No. They just said, that there is a possibiity that Hyrule was refounded. They haven't specifuically say which came first. So yeah. It was refounded.

[@LuisMedrano-j9q]

No, they’re horrible story tellers and miyamoto really likes to wear his ass as a hat.

[@Lionofanamechanger]

@@Banuuneit was the first time it was founded

[@JasonBoyce]

The time between TotK and the original Calamity Ganon is twice all of recorded human history, and if you think of how little we know about what happened 5,000 years ago (oldest writings), it's easy to see how information gets lost. And that's just to Calamity Ganon. The founding of Rauru's Hyrule is even more ancient, still

[@stuffz1757]

No, Fujibayashi said it's a possibility "Hyrule" may have been destroyed prior to the memories, and specified it was only a possibility. He said this in response to someone who was under the erroneous assumption that the Hyrule, as a whole, was founded immediately after the end of Skyward Sword. Since Fujibayashi never specified if he meant "Hyrule the land" or "Hyrule the Kingdom" we can't know what he meant, but: A. Regardless of when the memories take place both the land and kingdom are named Hyrule regardless, and in the case of what immediately follows Skyward Sword, the Era of Chaos, it's likely anything founded before that would be destroyed or heavily damaged anyways. B. Fujibayashi stressed that it was "ONLY A POSSIBILITY."

[@gakamech]

While I like and have accepted the "dragonbreak" idea (a crisis so big Hyrule gets destroyed, all 3 timelines unify and the hylians are brought back to a more primitive version of themselves as seen in TOTK) I have to admit that the way you explained and showed it made your version of the timeline not only enjoyable, but extremely plausible. Great work!

[@Banuune]

Thank you so much. I'm working on the next one, but it will take a while, as I do have a job. But there I will explain in more detail, how I got to this conclusion.

[@gakamech]

@@Banuune we'll wait for it, this is the first video of yours I watch and if the next is as well done as this one waiting is not a problem

[@Sarah_H]

Small note about the sky barrier: it's stated in three places in TotK (that I know of) that the sky islands appeared at the same time Hyrule Castle went up and the Chasms opened. From the Notes on the Upheaval journal at Purah's house in Lookout Landing ("On that day, the land shook, and huge chasms that seemed bottomless opened in the ground. The clouds billowed and roiled as floating islands appeared in the skies, raining chunks of ruins down on us. And strangest of all, Hyrule Castle began to float in the air"), from Lourda the first time we go to Dueling Peaks Stable ("After the Upheaval, several Zonai ruins suddenly appeared up there"), and in Riju's journal in Gerudo Town ("Both Link and Zelda have gone missing while exploring below Hyrule Castle. Shortly after they were lost, the castle lifted off into the sky, where it was joined by countless small, floating islands"), and we can also clearly see the surface from the Great Sky Island even during the tutorial (you can see the Lake Hylia geoglyph in the opening dive cutscene) So the Light Dragon flying up through the clouds at the end of the tutorial wasn't what broke the sky barrier that was concealing the sky islands, it was broken by the Upheaval itself, but maybe there was a smaller sky barrier shielding only the Great Sky Island to protect Link while he recovered, and THAT was what the Light Dragon broke through at the end of the tutorial? There's a debate to be had about whether draconified dragon-people still retain some of their human consciousness, but as we see with the Demon Dragon, the person's last thought/intent as a human seems to carry over into their dragon form, and Zelda's last thought was to help Link destroy the Demon King/help him protect Hyrule, so maybe that translated into the Light Dragon having a protective instinct around Link which led to the creation of a sky barrier to conceal the landmass Link was recovering on And IMO the biggest inconsistency with TotK's Era of Founding being so far back in the past as to predate all other Zelda games is...the geography of ancient Hyrule that we see in the memories. It's still similar enough to BotW/present-day TotK that we can pick out landmarks, and some of the locations look EXACTLY as they do in the modern era (Oseira Plains and Taobab Grassland in The Gerudo Assault, Lake Kolomo in Zelda And Sonia, and the architecture of the walls of the Great Plateau still being the same as they appear in the present). I REALLY don't buy that Hyrule's geography changed so dramatically to appear as it did in other games, only to then go right back to a near-identical layout, and for this reason (and others), I'm of the opinion that there was a convergence of the timelines and that this Era of Founding is a brand new Hyrule, wwwaaaaayyyyy after the last installments of all previous timelines

[@Banuune]

My problem here is the Architechture. If the Hylians built hyrule First, it got "destroyed", then Rauru built his kingdom, which was floated, WHY would they do back to the same architechture they had prior to rauru? Because the Temple of Time for example, "is said to be" the same temple as in Ocarina, or at least from the artstyle. Why would they have the OoT temple, then Rauru's Temple and THEN rebuilt the old temple. For me the architechture is the most significant point to my argument xD

[@Banuune]

And yeah, I guess Zeldra, I mean the LIght Dragon, has made a Cloud Barrier for the Great Sky Island and Mineru, Zonai or Sheika, have made another othe for the rest of the Sky, that was Shut off when Ganondorf punshed the Pillar above him, as @monstermaze suggested in his video ^^

[@Sarah_H]

@@Banuune IMO the sky barrier (and the magic concealing the geoglyphs, and Hyrule Castle, and the catacombs under the castle leading down to the Imprisoning Chamber) was made by the ancient Hylians who became the ancient Sheikah, which is the only other ancient technologically advanced race that we know of and which would have still been around after the disappearance of the Zonai and the raising of the Great Sky Island. Impa tells us that the geoglyphs were drawn by ancient peoples who came into contact with the Dragon Tears, and those only came down AFTER the Imprisoning War, and the Sheikah had a Wifi system where their tech was all tied to a central hub in Hyrule Castle that activated it in BotW, so they could have tied the magics concealing the sky islands and the geoglyphs to the Imprisoning Spike/Conduit/Whatever And IMO it isn't that they built over the Temple of Time from OoT, we see that the myths of a past Hyrule have persisted even up to this modern era, with locations and the Divine Beasts being named after mythical figures, so new structures could have been named after mythical places of significance like the Temple of Time. Hell, even the name "Hyrule" was from the Era of Myth, confirming that Rauru/the Zonai knew the myths of a past Hyrule, and the Old Man's dialogue in BotW that says the Great Plateau/the Temple of Time is said to be "the birthplace of the entire kingdom of Hyrule" makes sense in the context that this is where the seat of power was for Rauru's Hyrule. The original kingdom and all its architecture would have been washed away in the Great Flood of Wind Waker, and in BotW/TotK the Temple of Time is in the same architectural style as Hyrule Castle, which was definitely built AFTER the Imprisoning War and the raising of the Great Sky Island by Hyruleans, so: the Great Plateau was where Rauru built his castle and the original Temple of Time, then the GSI and the original Temple were raised, and the current, dilapidated Temple of Time was built in its place, to be a place to worship the Goddesses. Ancient Hyruleans might have even had a firsthand account of the kingdom of myth in the Great Deku Tree, if this is the same one from OoT and Wind Waker, which is very likely given the continued existence of the Koroks and how his roots reach all the way down to the Depths

[@Chris-gx1ei]

The Japanese Text tells that the Zonai were Kami, while Kami basically means God/Gods, this is in context not the same as the Picture of the modern Monotheistic picture of a God. Kami arent completely eternal, they also can perrish at a certain Point or during a certain incident, just like the Asgardian Gods in the scandinavian Mythology. Maybe since it is said that the Zonai are some sort of Descendants, it is possible that they didnt get passed down all of the Knowledge, like about the Triforce or similar. The Triforce itself was mostly hidden away and only the Royal Family, mainly Descendants of Skyward Sword Zelda, knew about it. So I rather assume that neither Rauru nor Mineru, who is actually the one with all the Zonai's Knowledge, just didnt knew about anything because. aybe did their Gods/Ancestors not tell them all or they did know of some minor parts but they saw Hyrule as a complete wasteland. The Japanese Version made it more clear what could have happened, which got cut out by the English Version, however, the Shrines of Light Rauru created might give a Special Hint to what happened. Unlike the Shiekah Shrines these were never meant to train the Hero, they were even pre-existing before this era's Ganondorf started his attack. The purpose of these shrines was so it can function as a Cage for Monsters and Demons. Maybe due to some apocalyptc event Hyrule was destroyed by Monsters overrunning this Kingdom for a long time, I mean no matter if this Founding was Post-Skyward-Sword or Post-Timeline-Events, it is strange that they put away their regular clothing for less practical Greek/Inca Clothess

[@mmlkshake]

so if the zonai are similar to the Norse gods in that they don't always live forever..you could say that the Zonai all..got their sh*t ragnaROCKED

[@InvaderGIR98]

Wait so are the Zonai ACTUALLY gods/kami then? I thought they were just thought of as gods by the Hylians because of their magic/tech/knowledge

[@Drakenwild]

I am still sticking with my timeline idea xD But as far as fitting TotK's past into the old official Zelda Timeline, this is probably the best way to do it!

[@Banuune]

As I'm not trying to convince someone, that's totally fine xD I just want to open some more ideas to think about. ^^

[@Banuune]

Plus, I'm also not trying to fit the game itself somewhere, as this seems impossible, just like with botw. But the past seems to fit pretty well. 😂

[@LadyXenif9006]

This is definitely the most interesting Timeline theory I have seen so far.

[@Zenith8896]

Mmm hmm. Banune is in the Zelda Theory lab cooking. ^0^

[@kylewhite4984]

Same

[@CaptBurgerson]

Well done Banune, the editing here especially turned out wonderfully

[@Banuune]

Glad you think so!

[@Zenith8896]

Pretty superb voice acting.

[@nyancorp]

There is a problem with this theory: as we know that the fates of Zelda, Link and Ganondorf are connected since the very beginning, why is there an incarnation of Ganondorf at Rauru‘s time, but none of Link and Zelda. Even if we assume that Sonia is the Zelda of her time, where is Link?

[@Banuune]

Maybe rauru is the hero of that time?

[@P3PS1GirlRukia]

Also, with what happened to Zelda and Ganondorf when they swallowed their stones, plus the 3 elemental Zonai armor sets that Link finds in TotK, the dragons of BotW&TotK were likely Zonai that swallowed stones themselves

[@jupamoers]

Just like Galadriel said in Lord of the Rings: "History became legend. Legend became myth." Thus the era of Myth came to be. That's why Rauru didn't know the names Zelda and Link or the Master Sword. The first Calamity came and destroyed Hyrule. Hylia sent the Zonai, which founded Hyrule (again) without knowing, it existed in the past. Then, Ganondorf led the Imprisoning War and was sealed by Rauru. Then, 10,000 years later, the second Calamity came, but this time, there were the Champions and fought Calamity Ganon and here begins the story of BOTW

[@7thprime]

I tried super hard to make this theory work bc i really like it. (I made different timeline splits and everything, but to no avail.) 8:22-8:26 is just factually untrue. If you look at the ending of SS, Link is said to have "eradicated" Demise the same way he is said to have "eradicated" Demise by wishing on the Tri-force. If Link "eradicates" Demise in the Past, why/how does Link go on his journey to "eradicate" Demise/the Imprisioned by wishing upon the Tri-force thousands of years after Rauru's Hyrule and Imprisoning war with Ganondorf? (Demise/the Imprisoned would've long been "eradicated" by the time SS Link comes along, according to your theory.)

[@Banuune]

Nice point! But I do have an explanation for this. But I'll keep it for the next video. Will take me a while but keep an eye open ;)

[@irystocrattakodachithatmooms]

I think that instead this takes place in an alternate version where Demise was defeated and taken forward in time. The defeat of Demise causes a dragonbreak and allows a different Hyrule to be founded. This one, however, is founded by the Zonai and Hylians with Hylia being alive but no longer present in the human world. She perhaps withdrew after ensuring she had her own decedents with Sonia being one, thus her time power. That or she just granted Sonia that power instead, maybe as a gift for the founding of the kingdom. Now with Rauru, it could be that he believed what Zelda warned him about but did nothing out of concern that it could disrupt the timeline severely. It might be that he didn't want to change the course of history so he allowed things to play out how they would. Honestly, I think that would be for the best as the changing of history is something nobody can predict the effects of.

[@Banuune]

I thought so too. but Nintendo said: "No extra Split! It fits!" ... So i tried it that way.

[@irystocrattakodachithatmooms]

@@Banuune I've never heard anything about them saying that, though I am out of the loop on interviews. And honestly, it makes more sense to me than the end of the timeline. But what about the idea that Rauru didn't do anything on purpose? That fits regardless of the timeline issues.

[@desmondschneider5397]

Ah, yes, blender is pretty challenging! I made a solid bow animation for Zelda on it, but it was a pre-made rig; the Blender re-rig originating from Autodesk Maya. The cel shading on the rig is neat! But I won’t deny Blender is one of the more complicated programs. You can do quite a lot on it for a free program! As for the Zelda timeline, I have my own views on it, partly biased on other theories while partly biased on my own theories, but I love considering all the perspectives, whether they fully align or mostly disalign with my perspective. It’s also pretty interesting to look back on theories that are busted or proven by later entries. Example: a theory I didn’t fully agree with but was intrigued by. Link’s face isn’t shown in the teaser because the gloom mutilated his face. I thought it definitely got his arm, but thought the corrupted face may have been a bit of a long shot. Anyway, nice video! The Zelda timeline is quite vast, so it’s hard to pinpoint things exactly. But I think you did a good job explaining those parts! I’d also like to tie in a bit of a theory that suggests the Ouroboros means the timeline repeats… there’s a 20 minute video explaining it that’s titled “how Nintendo is rebooting the franchise,” but I’ll add to it some extra details I noticed (forget if they were in the video as well), think it may have been. But in OoT, Ganondorf swears fealty. He then overthrows the castle and wreaks havoc after Rauru seals Link’s spirit, allowing Ganondorf access to the Sacred Realm in order to steal the TriForce of Power. When Link fails to defeat Ganondorf, Hyrule meets its downfall and falls into the classics. In The Legend of Zelda, Link ventures through an open world where the only limitation is pretty much A: needing the raft to get to dungeon 4 and B: needing the TriForce of Wisdom. However, you aren’t restricted on what to _complete_ first. After you save Hyrule, you hear the epilogue theme which, funnily enough, is the game over theme extended. In Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link, which takes place 6 years later, you find the TriForce of Courage, defeat Dark Link, and awaken Princess Zelda the First, who had been asleep for millennia. Ties: in Tears of the Kingdom’s ancient past, Ganondorf swears fealty to Rauru, who is aware of his evil nature but possibly not to what extent. When Ganondorf is given more freedom, he tricks Sonia, despite her planning. He kills her and, akin to stealing the TriForce of Power and transforming into Ganon, steals the Secret Stone of Time, which loses its resonance as it can’t amplify a dead woman’s power. It makes a sad chime suggesting the godlike power isn’t intended for a man like him, and it resonates with Ganondorf’s malice, allowing him to transform into the Demon King. When the group failed to stop Ganondorf, Rauru sacrifices himself to seal Ganondorf, creating the paradox downfall timeline. In the modern era of Wild, Link stops Calamity Ganon and rescues Hyrule, as well as freeing Zelda, who somehow was also in a stasis while holding back Ganon. (Maybe it was her time powers? Idk) In Tears, which was released 6 years later, Link defeats the Demon King and turns back his own Zelda, who had been sleeping for millennia inside the dragon’s soul. Not to mention, the seven wise men in ALttP are akin to the sages. The sages are more important in this context, but Zelda was time even in ALttP, or at least the last one you save. In Ocarina of Time, you awaken the six sages, but Zelda, the seventh, is Time. In Tears, you have a lot more. You have in the past; Light (Rauru), Old Fire (Goron), Old Water (Zora), Old Lightning (Gerudo), Old Wind (Rito), and Old Time (Sonia). You have Present Era; New Water (Sidon), New Wind (Tulin), New Lightning (Riju), and New Fire (Yunobo). You have universally; Spirit (Mineru), Darkness/Malice (Ganondorf), and New Time (Zelda). The important thing is that in both Ocarina of Time and Tears of the Kingdom, Zelda is the Sage of Time. As for the number of Secret Stones? Seven. Just like the number of Sages. We have their original owners and resonances: Light, Spirit, Time, Fire, Water, Wind, Lightning. Ganondorf stole Sonia’s in the past, and Zelda found Rauru’s in the present. So there was kind of a brief moment in the past there was a duplicate, but there’s seven again back in the present. But the ties with Ocarina of Time suggest potentially repeating events. The ties with Skyward Sword, which there are also a lot of, also suggest something similar. And for a personal theory? I believe that the Forgotten Temple statue is, indeed, the Isle of the Goddess. It probably would’ve had to have moved, but if you think about it, the size… it’s much larger than the one at the Temple of Time on the Great Plateau. It also has a platform on the hands! I climbed up there in Breath of the Wild once to see if there were ties, and there was even a TriForce mark in back of the platform, just like in Skyward Sword. Also, sorry about length. Zelda is one of the things I could talk about endlessly. I have Autism, and Zelda is one of my special interests.

[@Zenith8896]

So Tears of the Kingdom's (past) events were before Skyward Sword hm? It makes perfect sense. It would explain why King Rauru has no knowledge of common Zelda facts. These major events haven't happened yet. Very great job Banune.

[@ricky.t.1658]

Bro, it’s completely imposible for this to be true, it only takes some seconds to see the many contradiction everything makes. Rauru does not know common zelda facts bc all the info is lost thanks to the past of time, it’s that simple

[@Chubby_Bub]

Very well-done video. I like how this theory properly explains how Sonia can still be a "Hyrulean woman" ("from a Hyrulean family line" in Japanese) without there being a "refounding", if she was a descendant of those who remained on the Surface. Also, I appreciate your more holistic and open approach to developing and discussing theories, it is something the Zelda community tends to lack. P.S. You are not alone in calling her "Zeldra" and if not for making the plotline very, very obvious, I wish they called her that. Even some name would be better than just "Light Dragon" when all the others have names… Zeldra would definitely be the Light Dragon's name by the standards of the other three in Japanese.

[@Luxembourgish]

Refounding is the only theory that doesn't destroy the lore: retconning OoT Ganondorf being the first, Hyrule Castle having never been damaged until BoTW, The Gerudo ears, The Rito, and many other contradictions.

[@darkdagger5237]

@@Luxembourgish No re-founding theory does break the timeline. A fourth timeline however doesn't if the branch is before the forging of the master sword. This would be followed by a delayed founding of Hyrule.

[@InvaderGIR98]

It would be so funny if the dragons name was Zeruda (in Japanese, Legend of Zelda is called Zeruda no Densetsu)

[@Chubby_Bub]

@@InvaderGIR98 That was kind of the idea- if it followed the patterns of the other dragons in Japanese (Orudora, Nerudora, Furodora), it would probably be Zerudora (="Zeldra")

[@GossipGeist]

Very well done, I was blown away by the quality! I'm glad I could be a part of this gem. 😁

[@Banuune]

Thank you! And thank you for helping (;

[@Ahouro]

There is to many contradictions that needs to be retcon to put Rauru´s Hyrule where you put it like, The races at Rauru's founding That the races was united before the unification war The Gerudo ears The castle that was built over where Ganondorf was sealed That they don't know about the Tri-force or the Master sword.

[@Banuune]

Hey. So, in the prologue of Skyward sword it is said that the races lived under Hylias guidance. And that there was peace. We also see them together next to Hylia, which tells me, that the races lived together or acted together when Hylia was still present. The mogma also say that once those below and above the surface once lived together. Also no problem of the races being united. Specific races being present is not a problem. We see zora and rito coexisting in botw and totk. And we also see in twilight princess hd, that the rito were also present. Plus you have to consider that Nintendo would never, just for the sake of cutscenes and so, make new models for the sages in the past. I mean the goron sage doesn't even have a face. You can imagine how much effort was put into the races and sages from the past... same with the gerudo. The gerudo we see behind Ganondorf are reused assets. So they just re-used the normal gerudo woman, altered it a bit and that's it. So I don't give to much thought onto them. But Ganondorf having rounded ears is more significant, as he a "new model". And I don't get the augment of castle. Sure the castle was built after Ganon was sealed. And we see a castle in minish cap, why can't it be the same castle? Who tells me, after we see so many temples in skyward sword, there is no castle? Plus, them not knowing about the triforce and Master sword is exactly my argument, as between the past and present of skyward sword the triforce is hidden in the sky (while we see rauru being on the ground) and the master sword is still the goddess sword. That's why they don't know about the master sword...

[@Ahouro]

@@Banuune The Zora had not evolved before Skyward sword we see the race that evolved into the Zora in Skyward sword that being the Parella and with no Zora no Rito. All Gerudo before before Botw, Totk and Totk past have rounded ears but in Totk past they have pointy ears which proves that Totk past can´t be before Ocarina of time. The castle that is built over the seal if it takes any damage will weaken the seal and release Ganondorf. If Rauru´s Hyrule is where you think then he would know about the Tri-force because of the war between Hylia and Demise showed to the world that the Tri-force existed.

[@Banuune]

We don't know for 100% that there were no zora. Or rito. We only see 3 regions in ss and we also know there is the gerudo fly. So gerudo was a thing. And I really do not take any gerudo except for Ganondorf as granted. They are just re-used arrests with few minor changes. Ganondorf is the only one that was built from the ground up and he HAS rounded ears. I thought about it much, but except for the races thing, I can't figure out how it would fit otherwise. My problem is: How do you explain that the architecture ,from the temple of time for example, went from Hylian, to zonai, back to Hylian. Why would you go back to previous architecture if you could improve. And it is said the great plateau is the birthplace of Hyrule and Taurus founded his kingdom there. All those details left me believing, it had to be the beginning!

[@Ahouro]

@@Banuune The Gerudo didn't have a king after the one in Totk past which is stated in CaC page 401 which contradicts your theory and the First Hyrule was founded by Skyward sword Zelda's descendants.

[@Banuune]

It's stated it happens after this: "The only person standing in the way of his machinations was a young man with the soul of the hero who wielded the Master Sword", which is ocarina of time. So, as you know, in my theory Ganondorf in total came first, then time passed, another Ganondorf came and that when the gerudo said "you know what? Let's not do this anymore. There is a reason we only allow women". So from this point on -> no gerudo king

[@LeoN-wc9od]

He came from space.

[@Banuune]

Yes

[@ratedn]

Loved the video!!! Can’t wait to see more 😊 the music kept me in the mood and was a nice touch, very eery. Keep it up, let’s usher in this new age of Zelda content 🎉 - Anthony

[@MoxieWatts]

OMG CONGRATS BANUUNE YOU DID IT!! ❤

[@Banuune]

Thanks to a lot of help ❤❤

[@Zenith8896]

........I'm going to go watch your Elden Ring video now. It's Strata.

[@darkdagger5237]

@@Zenith8896 Cool profile pic Bass.exe from Megaman battle network.

[@Zenith8896]

@@darkdagger5237 Thank you so much! Bass.EXE is always brooding.

[@Zenith8896]

Banune I will NEVER get tired of hearing your accent! Oh man I'm so thrilled to watch this video! Yo, it's me Strata Uchiha! 👋I'm going to sit back, relax, and enjoy this Zelda Lore video. ^0^

[@Banuune]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@arcticpossi_schw1siantuntija42]

Quite plausible timeline placementm, this is good enough that It'll be my headcanon until something better appears. Rauru's kingdom only lasted a single generation and his reign was cut short by the imprisoning war and the time between skyward sword's past and present is a 1000 years so it might as well have happened and then after skyward sword's events SS zelda founded Hyrule again with lots of time having passed and everyone having forgotten there was a hyrule at some point in time during the 1000 years in the middle of SS. Rauru founded hyrule first, but also did it the worst, because he's stupid and failed as a husband and king. And Hylia was busy being an amber fossil in the sealed temple the whole time. Zeldra- i mean the light dragon is also a gold comedy line

[@Banuune]

Haha thank you (: I really tried. Glad I could "convince" you of my theory. It is also my head canon, as I don't see the game fitting anywhere else and it still makes sense in the timeline from my pov. (:

[@Banuune]

And with eow we now got it confirmed, that river and sea zora co-exist. Which means the rito could also already be a thing and maybe there is even zoning stuff, which, if it places in the og timeline, confuses tarts the zonai where thee "before the end of the timeline". Because most people FOR WHAT EVER REASON, place totks past aaaaafter all.other games, which I don't see.

[@wight4991]

Wasn't it confirmed in the manga, that the Skywards Sword Link was also "The Hero" who fought alongside hylia due to Link time traveling back in time and aiding her? So by that logic the original hero didn't "reincarnate" but started with SW Link. Which was also the reason why Hylia has set the plan in motion of creating the mastersword in the first place.

[@RyuuKageDesu]

Thanks for the shout out! You're Awesome.

[@Banuune]

As moxie says: "Giving credit where Credit is due" ^_^

[@Idealisticles]

Cheers to your channel and great video! So I stumbled across this right after watching a Zeltik timeline summary published earlier today that is nowhere near as thorough as this. That being said I'm going to repost what I wrote there because I think you'll get a lot more from it here because your summary is the closest I've seen to my understanding and I'd be grateful for your thoughts as I'm likely going to produce a video on it as I haven't seen these takeaways elsewhere. Edit: The following is copied and pasted as a response to another video so ignore some of the direct comments on the timeline video it was responding to. I really respect the logic and effort that has gone into this timeline summary but IMO it's obvious the writers are showing us how The Legends of Zelda began. BOTW/TOTK Zelda is the first person in history to be known as Zelda. If Rauru and Sonia were re founding Hyrule after generations of Princess Zeldas in the past they would recognize the significance of her name. Yet the name means nothing to them, they just understand her importance by virtue of the secret stone she has and the innate connections they feel with her. It's clear that the tradition of naming princesses of Hyrule was inspired by the sage of time who became..... wait for it..... The goddess Hylia aka the Light Dragon. All the dragons have names and the Light Dragon created and dispersed the cloud barrier to protect and reveal the sky islands which is why she would be known to the skylians (see what I did there) as their goddess protector Hylia. Skyward sword Zelda (Descendant of Rauru & Sonia's child raised and hidden by the royal chamberlain) is the first Zelda to return to the land of Hyrule and whose descendants began living in Hyrule Castle after centuries of it just being a place that the sheikah maintained as a seal for TOTK Ganondorf. Demise is just the manifestation of Ganondorf that placed the curse on blood of goddess & spirit of hero ensuring that his future incarnations would hunt their legacy with prejudice hopefully ensuring his full resurrection. Furthermore, this timeline completely ignores the evolution of the creation stories of Hyrule, the golden goddesses were the first Zonai who terraformed the Earth and created a paradise for themselves. They eventually consumed their secret stones to prevent them from being wielded by the interloper tribe. These interlopers were just bad faith Zonai, creators of Majora's Mask. Rauru sealed this tribe during the imprisoning war into the Twilight realm where they eventually became the Twili. Zant's outfit is clearly a variation of the depths armor and these interlopers clearly used "Dark Magic" akin to the dark clumps. These interlopers were likely the creators of the bargaining statues & those whose societal role was to escort the poes to the beyond. Majora's mask was likely formed out of abusing this process, yet not sealed with them to prune their power or ability to escape their imprisonment. This left Rauru & Mineru as the last Zonai of earth and with no choice but to integrate themselves into Hylian culture if they ever wanted to be remembered or have a legacy. Besides the Ganondorf's that are explicitly stated as the same, Oot and TP, all other Ganondorf's are named such because a male is only born to the gerudo every hundred years or so. It's very likely they would have a tradition of naming this destined to be King of the Gerudo Ganondorf, just as princesses are named Zelda and Heroes are named Link. Lastly, Rauru and Sonia's child was likely the first person known as Hylia and the one to begin the tradition of naming their daughter Zelda out of respect for the sage of time who made the ultimate sacrifice to protect the future of her parent's kingdom and ensure Zelda's existence in the future. This Hylia was known as a goddess by virtue of her unique Zonai Appearance and shared blood of the Light Dragon, whose transformation was witnessed by the remaining sages and constructs right after she stored Mineru's Poe in the Purah Pad to guide Link in the future after her mortal injury in the battle with Ganondorf. The first Hero to protect the seal of Ganondorf towards the end of the imprisoning war (which lasted hundreds of years and includes Zonai Civil interloper War and TOTK Ganondorf's Imprisoning) is the first Hero Known to history and direct descendent of Hylia whom inherited a variation of Zonai features seen in the Hero's Aspect. /End Transmission.

[@Banuune]

Thank you for the nice words. Will read it all when I get home ^_^

[@philippelavoie5674]

The developers said that hyrule might have been destroyed and is now refunded by rauru. I could not belive that you missed that part.

[@Banuune]

No. They said it might have been re-founded. But not by whom.

[@conmanay4563]

A very good theory, but there’s one massive problem that throws a wrench in this entire theory….you know him, you hate him! Ganondorf Ganondorf cannot exist before Demise’s defeat, because he only exists as a result of the events of Skyward Sword, Zelda and Link choose to settle on the ground only after the oh so famous curse of “I will rise again. Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!" Ganondorf cannot be born unless there is a Zelda and Link in the world. The only exception is when the current Ganondorf doesn’t die , such as Twilight Princess Wind Waker and the original legend of Zelda and even then a reincarnation or rarely a blood descendent are usually queued up and ready when he does return. Even if you want to argue that fate itself pulled Zelda back in time to meet up with this ganondorf and fulfill the curse, it doesn’t fix it, as the same should have happened to link.

[@Banuune]

Hey. I never said Ganondorf first ;) What I said in my video is: Demise curdes link in the PAST of Skyward Sword and we mainly play in the PRESENT. And I am simply placing TOTK's PAST inbetween those times. Fi says: "this is a tale that you humans have passed down through COUNTLESS generations" and she is a very good in calculating things, so her not being able to say a specific number, says a lot. So a looooooooot of time has passed between the past and the present of Skyward sword. Plenty of time for TOTK's events to happen and be forgotten. But that's just a theory ;)

[@Banuune]

Oh and also: we know NOTHING from Ganondorf exept him being Gerudo. We see Koume and Kotake are young and already there. So isn't it possible that the sisters "re-created" totk's Ganondorf in OOT too? Like brainwashed the Gerudo Male the same way they did before. And maybe it's because of the other totk's Ganondorf being under Hyrule, that Ganon is always so focused on the Castle. Because in totk he only wants the stone from the Zonai and Darkness. And in every other game he wants the castle first, then darkness. And that's why oot and totk are so similar event vise. Because they are both brainwashed and raised by the same people.

[@Boomblox5896]

@@Banuune If Tears of the Kingdom (and Breath of the Wild) existed between Skyward Sword's past and present, then we would have seen much more relics in Skyward Sword's present, but we don't. It's like the world never even had those relics and ruins to begin with, other than the Temples and the Lanayru civilization. The entire world of TotK and BotW are based on the entire timeline's history, with relics of all eras buried deep beneath the Earth in the Depths. This is why a lot of theorists say that Tears of the Kingdom's Past and the re-founding of Hyrule would have to play out LONG after the three timelines are finished. A society-wide collapse would have happened and all history would have been forgotten, yet the ruins and relics remain as a testament to their history, like the old Temple of Time on the Great Plateau or Lon-Lon Ranch in the middle of Hyrule Field. That would be why Rauru of this game couldn't have known about the Master Sword or the name Zelda. Regardless of what incarnation this Ganondorf is, he would still be a reincarnation of Demise's spirit though, yet he would be far after the original appearance of Ganondorf as a man, timeline-wise.

[@Cretaceous158]

@@Boomblox5896 Demise is still sealed in the Master Sword. The other demon kings just have his army. Ganondorf just wants to rule everything, while Demise wants to destroy it all.

[@Banuune]

@@Boomblox5896 hey. You misunderstood it probably. I'm not placing totk in-between the past and present of SS. I'm placing the PAST of totk in-between those events. The Hyrule we play in botw and totk is at the eeeeeeend of the timeline waaaaay after what we know as "the timeline". I hope this clears it a bit ^^

[@nathandeleau5100]

Its actually very simple, Something had happened with Hyrule and the royal family that they lost there traditions and a lot of their history. So by the time Rauru and Sonia came around there had not been a royal family for some time. So Rauru and Sonia are the founders of this era's Hyrule, they are not the first ever and this timeline does not go after Skyward sword and its not another timeline split. I dont understand how this concept is so hard for the Zelda community to grasp. The Zelda team even said in an interview that its possible over time that a lot of Hyrules history got lost by the time Ruaru showed up. It literally took me and my wife like 5 minutes to put that together lol Good video and all but its not all that complicated.

[@Banuune]

It is, if you take into account that the architecture in ALL Zelda Games was always kinda the Same. This Roman-esque style. And we see the Royal family still having this architechture in botw/totk. How do you explain them going from roman- to greek- back to roman again. Wouldn't make sense in my opnion. Only if the Greek stuff dissapeared and you only know about and see roman, than you would just improve that but not change it entirely.

[@nathandeleau5100]

True, I just think that whatever happened to the land destroyed so much of the civilization and they just didnt or couldnt rebuild in the same way. Then so much time has past that by the time Ruaru came around its likely that the people were more like a tribe instead of a kingdom like before. So they still worshiped Hylia since Sonia was some kind of priestess with the Triforce tattood on her and Rauru brought his style of architecture to the land. Then after they left maybe they were now able to go back to there roots with the castle being built over Ganons sealed body and then using the name Zelda once again. Idk its still confusing a little bit but i know that NIntendo isnt trying to make another timeline or anything. I think its simpler then were making it out to be. @@Banuune

[@ricky.t.1658]

@@Banuunethe greek-esque (which looks more like a mix of azteca and it’s own thing) arquitecture is probably not from the hylians but more from the zonai, as the zonai descended and them being much more powerful than the hylians, they probably influenced their culture with their own once they founded this kingdom of Hyrule, once the zonai went extinct, the hylians probably would have been inspired by their old arquitecture and embraced it in a kinda nationalistic independent way, so, as the majority of zonai arquitecture was sent to the sky, the hylians began to built in their own style again

[@darkdagger5237]

5 minutes is a passing glance. And the small details do matter have you ever noticed how the Master sword after being fully restored still has an energy capacity problem? This means that its a fundamental flaw in the original forging of the sword it means that Zelda in Skyward sword never blessed the Master sword and an alternative method of empowering the sword was used. Thus timeline split.

[@randomwolfboi7866]

Yeah, we wish it was that simple but there are rito and zora's at the time of Totk's past and not SS.

[@Banuune]

Just re-used assets. Nothing to think about xD

[@randomwolfboi7866]

@Banuune Are you talking about lore or the game itself? lol

[@Banuune]

The Sages from the Past ^^ xD

[@Envy_May]

19:17 did you just say "zeldra" LOL that's pretty good

[@Banuune]

Yep xD Same as Dragondorf (: Better than "light dragon" xD

[@pastelbatch8734]

Didn't Urbosa say in BotW that since the Gerudo King who became the Calamity there hasn't been another Gerudo male? If that's true then it's not possible for TotK's past to be before any event involving Ganondorf or Ganon.

[@Banuune]

But who said that it was totks Ganondorf, that became the calamity? And it is stated, that after "being defeated by a young man with the soul of the hero who wielded the master sword" the gerudo chose to abandon the idea of a king. So no more kings after that. As we see no hero against Ganondorf in the past of totk, he has to come first. As this is clearly the Ganondorf from oot. (:

[@stuffz1757]

You're thinking of Creating a Champion, which states there has been no Gerudo male leaders since the male who became Calamity Ganon, and creating a champion was written from the perspective of BOTW only, and BOTW is adamant about Calamity Ganon being OOT Ganondorf.

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

​@@stuffz1757there's a Four swords adventure ganondorf

[@Haskellmd76]

I remember this game’s story gave me such a headache, thanks for explaining the lore without an hour long explanation or something

[@Banuune]

😂😂😂 as this was my first video I wanted to keep informative but short. Glad you like it ^_^

[@ricky.t.1658]

Theory ≠ lore

[@LowPoly64]

Hope this video gets even more traction than it already has.

[@Banuune]

Thank you ^^

[@owlitup2225]

Yes. Rauru is just very, very stupid and dumb. Probably due to being an actual God and never having been challenged or faced harship before this in his life. Next question.

[@Banuune]

Yes. He is so brainless. He simply let his wife die.

[@Cyclingismywholelife]

May your journey be filled with joy, happiness, and success, and may you find fulfillment in all that you do

[@Banuune]

Thank you very much. Participated. ^_^

[@56ty_]

Last time Zelda tubers had actual content hyrule hadn’t been founded yet

[@HyruleGamer]

Awesome video, I really like the style and pacing of this!

[@OffSatan]

neet theory, but it has some major holes: throughout the series we see the Zora evolve a lot, as such neither Zora nor Rito existed yet at the time of Skyward Sword. Ganondorf is an incarnation of Demise's hatered, as such he had to be born at some point after Demise's demise. Not only that, but he had to not be alive in order to be reborn prior to OoT as we've seen time and time again that the land is in peace when Ganon is sealed and not dead.

[@Wildicon19]

Wow! This was an amazing collaboration between Zelda KZbinrs. You did an amazing job in putting this insightful video together! I like how you conveyed yourself through Luna! Thank you Banuune for inviting us into your world! Thank you everyone else who helped her on this amazing journey! #Zeldathelightdragon

[@Banuune]

Hey. Thank you for your kind words ^^

[@Gyashonav]

(I haven't finished watching the entire video yet so I will be editing this to add on) I just realized the sigual* (I'm probably spelling that wrong) that forms when the imprisoned is, well, re-imprissoned. I definitely noticed it before and I'm sure everyone else has but I only now tried to really look at it. Of course, as a magical sigual* it probably helps hold down the imprisoned but I feel like there is more to be seen in the pattern of it (which changes every resealing, its possible it changes to a stronger one) and the pattern done with the sword. The spike has a contant flow of the white-ish sacred energy or force untill its put back, which is when the energy eminates outward to form the sigual. But the thing I find odd is that, instead of constantly glowing with sacred force, it turn black as though instantly corrupted (or to feed the force down into the ground for it to properly seal). Also why does the imprisoned still have the spike on its head, I mean we do know why but, do we really. Wouldn't he want to get rid of it as quickly as possible. And why would he want to destroy the sealed temple, (the more I type this out the more questions I have pop into my head) outside of getting rid of the gate of time of course. If the temple of time was built above the sealed temple, then wheres the giant goddess statue?, (not the one in the forgotten temple, that ones too small to be the same). Why did the gate of time even disappear at the end of the game? I'm definitely going to look into this myself but I whanted to bring some attention to it because of how odd it seems to me. [Edit]- I forgot to mention this before but the sigual is also there in the past, which makes sense. [Edit2]- Nevermind I don't have anything more to add, amazing video though!

[@darkdagger5237]

Its spelled sigil for future reference. The Imprisoned needs to destroy the temple to break the seal on it as the temple is part of the seal.

[@christopherwitecki6649]

If they planned all this out instead of making it up as they go why dont we see Zonai in other games? They only appear after Breath of the wild. All the Zonai ruins are absent from all the other games. Theres also Groose, heavily implied to be the founder of the Gerudo. This would need to be retconned. Then there is Ganondorfs ears. His ears are rounded like the Gerudo of OOT, which the Gerudo that follow him have pointed ears like the Gerudo of BOTW who got pointed ears from constant breeding with Hylians. This points to ToTk taking place after Skyward sword and the other 3D games. Theres also the Zora to consider. There ARE Zora in the ToTK era as one of them is a sage. Specifically they are sea Zora, not river Zora but Zora didnt exist in the Skyward Sword Era. You've put in more effort into the timeline than Nintendo has. They honestly just dont care about it. They just like making games without worrying about it and the more they do that the more the contradictions pile up.

[@Petulant_Kragg]

I mean its possible that the original founding from skyward swords history was lost at some point, after all thats exactly what has happened both in totk and irl for us with indigenous people like the mayans or other groups of people like roanoke. Things just get lost without explanation, and the original founding couldve fallen through which led to totk's founding becoming known by the people as hyrules actual founding since its more in recent memory and its history is more intact than skyward swords history

[@Banuune]

I don't see it, but yeah. We must not forget that this is a game. And they rememberd stuff that was 10.000 Years ago. We Humans made fire with sticks just 500 years ago. And look at us now. In BotW it is said that the sheika had this technology 10.000 years ago, so where did they advance? Nowhere. So we can not compare OUR world to the world of Zelda. Also BotW Zelda mentions the past Heros, which she shouldn't, if the History was lost entirely. And in TP Shad tells us a "race closer to the gods than hylians founden Hyrule". So people knew about that. They just forgot what they looked like, as Zelda mentions in TotK at the murals. So if rauru founded his hyrule after all the other Games, than HE should know about the Zelda's and Link's from those games, as Zelda LATER in botw remembers them. Ok? Ok.

[@WildflowersCreations]

So glad I found this video, great work all the way through!

[@Banuune]

@@WildflowersCreations thank you so much! I have improved since I made this video (as it was my first) and I'm planning on making another timeline video when I'm done with the elden ring videos I'm writing on haha

[@JonathanTrevatt]

The Hylians lack of advancement over such a long period kind of makes sense considering how often they have a near world ending event and civilisation starts from scratch. Plus, with their population counts and the tiny amount of space they have, its a miracle they exist at all and aren't inbred to hell (with a few notable exceptions). Though, I understand that the map area and population is not necessarily a true representation of the intended story because of technical and game design considerations.

[@RespawnGod]

While I'm a post windwaker placement guy myself, it does make sense that some were left on the surface, and makes sense if this theory is correct or not, because the Hylians are the chosen by the goddess whilst there are/were regular round eared humans too who would seemingly be those who were not ascended

[@Banuune]

It's even stated in the prologue that the subhumans stayed back. And we know that the Sheika have pointed ears. That why I thought maybe Sonia is a half Sheika (that would also explain her darker skin)

[@RespawnGod]

@@Banuune see my first thought about Sonia was she was half Zonai, given her skin tone, proportions & larger ears but depending on the events placement yeah the other half would likely be proto-shiekah/shiekah or Hylian

[@DarkwaveMistress]

This makes sense to me. It's pretty obvious we have two different Hyrules and since everything is cyclical in LoZ, the kingdom itself has to be too. I also thought TotK past could fit somewhere before SW and you explained it in the best way possible.

[@Banuune]

@@DarkwaveMistress thank you so much. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@InvaderGIR98]

Yeah I think there are 3 Hyrule's at this point (Hyrule founded after Skyward Sword, the one that the majority of the games take place. New Hyrule, that WW Link and Tetra found after finding a new continent. And Hyrule refounded, where BOTW and TOTK take place, which is not only bigger than any Hyrule we've seen but also seems to have incorperated previous countries into it (Tarm is a location in Oracle of Seasons Holodrum, and Talus Peak in Labrynna, there are other landmarks I can't think of off the top of my head)

[@SpongeP]

The only thing that I can't seem to make sense of is the fact that there are Rito in TOTK's past. We know the Zora had evolved into the Rito following the flood before Wind Waker, so seeing them in TOTK's past has really confused me

[@Banuune]

Hey there. So this is actually an missunderstanding. The rito did NOT evelve from the Zora. Medli did. But not all of them. The Zora were ALWAYS connected to the skies and the wind. It is said even in Wind Waker. So there could have been Rito present early on but we just never saw them :) Also the Sages are actually just reused assets, have mostly no faces and such. So there wasn't much thought that was put into that xD

[@darkdagger5237]

@@Banuune Where does it say that?

[@dbv8600]

I actually made the connection to Skyward Sword as well but you made some great points that help explain it a lot better. Most notably how the auto build ability would explain that there are a few ruins of structures that had to be built normally but then the rest just disapeared when the structures were moved / damaged because they were built with auto build. One thing I noticed was the robots in Skyward Sword that only work when we used time shift stones. We don't get to see the actual era they were built in so there is a potential hint to the Zonai who seemed to come out of nowhere. Technology as advanced as those robots is rare in the Zelda series and it always felt weird to me that we saw those robots at the begining of the timeline. But if we have the highly advanced Zonai race that could have built them and then died out before any of the other games then that could explain it.

[@RagoonX]

First off, I just wanna say I love the video! I'm glad I found it! :) I think a lot of what you point out makes sense, but I have a hard time grappling with one aspect. That has to do with the races/tribes in Skyward Sword. In TOTK past we see the usual tribes we see later in the timeline. This being the Gerudo, Zora, Rito, and Gorons. But, if this were to take place prior to present SS, then how do we make sense of all but the Gorons being present? We have them, heck we even have the Kikwi (presumably the same race as the Kokiri/Koroks), but none of the others seemingly exist yet. It is possible they already did, but we see no evidence of them in SS. I feel like Nintendo wouldn't have missed this since they began work on BOTW/TOTK prior to SS releasing. Although, I will note the statues of the depths that point to the major mines. We know the depths are ancient, being from at least the time of TOTK past and probably much earlier than that even. We see the races/tribes of late timeline there, but also one more that somewhat resemble the Mogma. I could potentionally forsee that the others all may have moved done into the depths, as we know the Gorons did at one point. But I feel as though that may be more of a stretch as I haven't seen much evidence of that having occurred during SS time.

[@RedCloudsBlackSky]

Great video. Honestly this makes the most sense out of all the theories out there.

[@takendruid]

Gotta say, seeing dehydrated ganon’s face in pure darkness when my iPad has the lowest brightness setting is actually kind of terrifying

[@Banuune]

It is xD He is ugly. But still terrifying..

[@evethetimewizard6502]

This is a pretty solid idea!! Great video :) Although I do find it a little goofy that it means there was a second Ganondorf sealed underground during all the other games lol

[@tomcurl8034]

Your theory sounds possible

[@Banuune]

Thank you. I really tried to explain the events, why rauru is stupid AF and how it fits (:

[@fatimafernandez8376]

I feel in my gut that there is a connection between the thunder dragon from Skyward sword and all ghe region's technology with the zonai! I liked the video!

[@Banuune]

There are even connections to things that you wouldn't even suspect.. but keep an eye open for the next video (will take a while) where you will see what I mean ;) Also: THANK YOU! ^_^

[@howlroseXI]

Girl yes. 🙌🏻 I am glad somebody out here saw and put together the Skyward Sword HEAVY connection. The only thing else I would have shot into your video was that the OG temple that descended from Skyloft “The Forgotten Temple” that you meet Impa in in TOTK was the very exact same down to what I think is the goddess statue that Zelda pushes Link off of to make him use his sailcloth in Skyward Sword.

[@Banuune]

Thank you! It was a lot of work and my first video. And I'm really happy how it turned out, but I could have explained more, as some pleople seem to not get the full theory here, as I missed explain some points. I was planning to make another timeline video where I go more into detai about it, but then I played Elden Ring and got invested.. and then the DLC is comming soon, which will also take up a lot of brain capacity, lol. And after that Arcane is comming, and I want to talk about that too. Sooo.. I don't know WHEN this is comming, but it will one day.. ): Sorry to dissapint you. ): BUT IT WILL COME! looking forward to see you in the comments in my future videos ^^

[@slengor8257]

My only question is how does the fact that ganondorf is Demise's reincarnation, since ganon and the reincarnation of linka and zelda as well are a product of his curse, which could only happen if Link had already defeated demise, so the ganon in ToTK wouldn't be able to exist no?

[@Banuune]

Link DOES Kill Demise in the past. So at the point where i place totk's past, he already placed the curse. SS past - Totk Past - SS Present. ;)

[@slengor8257]

@@Banuune OHHH ok makes sense

[@DARS_04]

Is he stupid? A Thesis of Raurus intellect.

[@alexthebluehermit]

If there were surviving hylians after skyloft was in the sky then we would have seen them in the surface of skyward sword. I highly doubt they were just out somewhere that we didn't go to we kind of explored most of the "primitive" Hyrule. Plus I'm also pretty sure there were at least one or two heroes before hylia reincarnated into a mortal

[@Banuune]

Why do you think there were heroes before SS Link?

[@Twigz87]

This video has earned you another subscriber. You are a delight to listen to.

[@Zenith8896]

10:39 Sheesh!!! Ganondorf looks super creepy on these hieroglyphs.💀

[@mtwhdtdtic]

Exceptionally well-made video. Kudos!

[@oniswdbs]

Thank you for making this! Listening to all the othe zelda tubers has been trying whe. This is petty much exactly what i think. All the " opposing facts" are easily explained.

[@Banuune]

Thank you. I've been working on a new timeline video, which will still probably take while. But it will explain this theory in more detail. I really tried to make sense of what nintendo gave us and this is the ONLY way i can see it making sense ^^ and again thank you fpr the nice comment ^^

[@elrohirshouldercheaptrick9452]

what about the great calamities? There have been more than the two we know of. As I understood your theory, the totk past happened after skyward sword but before the split and the totk and botw presents happen after the end of the timelines. We would have noticed a great calamity happening every 10000 years (I don't think the appearances of Ganon, Ganondorf and the other villains count, as they were completely different in their form (calamity ganon is always connected to gloom and malice, the others are not)). I honestly think the founding of the Zonai Hyrule happened so long after the end of the last games of the timelines, that everything about that time became complete myths (but they still happened as it was in all the previous games). I think the dephts might be what remains of all the previous hyrules.

[@dreamer450]

Wait am I dumb, or am I missing something. How could there be two master swords? You said, that after the past of skyward sword, the past of totk took place. It was there where Zelda recieved the broken master sword, only to seal it and give it enough light power over 100000 years. However, when skyward sword takes place, we (or link) create the master sword. That means, if I understood your theory correctly, there should be a broken master sword up in the sky AND a master sword down on the surface. 😅 To be honest (if I'm not wrong) that makes no sense 😅 However, great video! 😁

[@Banuune]

Exactly. There are 2 master swords present in all times. It must be. As we know we find a master sword in botw but another sword is still with Zelda flying around. It's the time from totk where the sword is being sent back and being drawn again from Zelda that it goes back to being just one sword.

[@luca4464]

I still think that Zelda from BOTW is Hylia , Sheikah were established after Mineru and Demise is actually ganondorf trying to escape the seal by creating different images of himself like Demise,also sages where before Skyward Sword . And yet no one is making a theory about this,for a second I was happy that this video might bring something of this up ,but it didn't and at the same time it did ,as it is the closest theory that aligns with my theory,so good job !

[@KegorianRune]

I honestly believe this more to be it's own separate timeline, with ToTK Past serving as the creation point the Skyward Sword does for the timelines that we know of. but with this, it's completely separated from the Timeline first introduced in the Hyrule Historia

[@EthanDegen]

I like to think the Zuni are descendants of the first high rule eans which were human but mixed with the genetics of the species that zaru is creating the modern high rule eans

[@DavidAbernathy-k4v]

This theroy only seems to work if you ingore the the important parts of the lore. Like wilds castle being over the seal of of ganondorf meaning every time the castle gets destory that should free ganondorf. The curse of desmise which is supposed to explian why hyrule keeps getting attacked by ganondorf and other evil. Why were gerudo kings after totk ganondorf there were they either exiled or killed so there would not be another ganondorf never in botw has their been a gerudo king after ganondorf but their were males. I saw a comment down below where you and a person arguing using creating a champion/master works a secondary source the reason their quote works is because it is supported by a primary source one of urbosas' lines creating a champion/master works was created before TOTK was in development meaning creating a champion/master works would not take tears of kingdom into account your quote because creating a champion is published sometime after breath of the wild is published>Tears of Kingdom is in development either 2021 or 2022 I forgot.

[@DavidAbernathy-k4v]

I missed a spelled theory my wording could be better but I think you get the point of what I'm trying to say your theory is a contradiction to not only tears of kingdom lore but also zelda lore in general.

[@Banuune]

But when was it said that the castle got destroyed? Or the Pillar holding him down? Yes Ganon often Corrupted the Castle, but he never DESTROYED it. I cant think of any destroyed castle in Zelda.. Just corrupted ones.

[@Banuune]

Also who said that it was totks Ganondorf, that became the calamity? And it is stated, that after "being defeated by a young man with the soul of the hero who wielded the master sword" the gerudo chose to abandon the idea of a king. So no more kings after that. As we see no hero against Ganondorf in the past of totk, he has to come first. As this is clearly the Ganondorf from oot. (:

[@DavidAbernathy-k4v]

DID YOU NOT WATCH ANY OF ZELDA'S MEMERORY CUTSCENES. WHY IS IT THAT CALAMITY GANON APPEARS OVER HYRULE CASTLE AND NOT ANYWHERE ELSE. IT BECAUSE AFTER RAURU SEALED GANONDORF THE HYLIANS BULIT HYRULE CASTLE OVER SEAL IN FACT THERE IS STONE IN GAME THAT TELLS THE PLAYER THAT EXACT THING. ZELDA MEMERORY CUTSCENES ARE SHOWING THE ORIGIN OF CALAMITY GANON AND THE ZONAI RUINS. AFTER RAURU DEATH THE HYLIANS BUILT THE CASTLE OVER THE SEAL. And I quote "Deep beneath this land, our mighty first ruler rauru imprisoned the Demon King. To ensure the king's magic would hold we erected a castle here to protect this scared site. WITHOUT THE CASTLE IN PLACE, THE SITE MAY BE DISTURBED, ALLOWING THE DEMON KING'S RAGE AND HATERED (i.e. malice, gloom,and calamity ganon) TO BE REVIVED. THE PRESERVATION OF THIS CASTLE IS THERFORE TIED TO THE PROSPERITY OF THIS KINGDOM. May it watch over an eternal peace.- entrance to the royal hidden passage. As Raurus seal weakend(because no seal in this series ever stays intact unless its divine) the rage and hatred of Ganondorf seeped out allowing for beings like calamity Ganon form. Calamity Ganon is just a gigantic phantom Ganon even calamity Ganon and phantom Ganon have the same color. Tears of Kingdom was meant to be like skyward sword an origin story showing the birth of calamity Ganon and the "founding" in quotes of the kingdom of hyrule.

[@DavidAbernathy-k4v]

Also why would Ganondorf recognize this link and zelda. Because he fought this zelda and rauru told him about link " Years from now, someone will appear with the sword the seals the darkness. A swordsman with the power to defeat you-Link" Rauru the "first" King of Hyrule to Ganondorf.

[@LG-iy5mw]

Interesting. This just might work! I wonder though, how is it that Ganondorf is sealed by Rauru, and then years later, is reincarnated again in Ocarina of Time? (And later in Four Swords Adventures, if that counts) Additionally, from the Creating a Champion book, it’s stated that there was once a single Gerudo male born every 100 years, but that stopped happening long ago, implying that because TotK Ganondorf is sealed away, and not killed, then no more Gerudo Males can be born until he dies. How would that work out?

[@Banuune]

Because the hatred of Demise and also t Koume and kotake still existed. The gerudo probably didn't want a man as their leader but the twins brainwashed everybody and made the people that this male HAS to become king, so the next reincarnation would have an "easy start". Koume and kotake are probably also the reason why the gerudo "forgot" that there was a ganondorf in their history of kings already and that this one brought bad shit to the world. At least 350 years have passed between those events and oot. And maybe the then born gerudo male, was not suitable enough for demise and that's why it chose for example vaati instead for his plans but still failed. Lol. I see you guys wanting an update on the timeline with more details. It's coming! I promise! But I don't know when.

[@LG-iy5mw]

@@Banuune So, it IS possible for Gerudo males to be born, even with one (TotK Ganondorf) still alive? What happened to stop them from being born in the BotW era? Looking forward to new videos!

[@Banuune]

@@LG-iy5mw yes. At least I would say so. I don't think that gerudo man are all born WITH the malice of demise. but due to the power he learned from koume and kotake demise chose him as a vessel. And I don't think that they are in charge of every gerudo male. Just the one they can get their hands on

[@thomasbruce4990]

I definitely think tears takes place before skyward sword. The mining facility and the hylian crest we find in the desert are all ancient already. Theres a whole kingdom that gets glossed over

[@HyperImaginative]

This was a suprisingly solid theory!

[@Matt23488]

Solid theory, I can't see anything wrong with it

[@slateoffate9812]

Looking at the new official timeline from Master Works, I've a different theory about conjoining it with Skyward Sword; The Golden Goddesses created the world, leaving behind the Triforce, Secret Stones, and Hylia to keep watch over them. At some point, Hylia put the zonai in charge of protecting the Secret Stones while she prioritized the Triforce. Din, in particular, created the land, but did she use as a base? I don't think there was a void before. Skyward Sword says Demise's forces broke through the Earth, so I believe Din created the land by burying the Old World, that of monsters, alive, hence Demise's grudge against the gods. The Zonai built advanced technology and, collaborating with the Mogma, mined the depths for zonaite. But then they dug too deep down, unleashing the demonic hordes upon the world. Hylia made her plan involving the Triforce and Master Sword and sent both humans and zonai into the sky, perhaps devided across more than one cloud barrier. In Skyward Sword, the humans returned to the surface. The zonai didn't. Eons later, their numbers dwindled due to some crisis. Judging by BotW's concept art, I'm betting an alien invasion. The few survivors were forced to descend from the skies and returned to the surface, possibly bringing back the worship of Hylia with them. Other sky peoples had been involved in Hyrule's founding in the past; the Wind Tribe, the Ooca; the Zonai are ultimately just another in that list. Makes you wonder much more world building Skyloft's Realm could've had.

[@ThattBluePencilCrayon]

oh! here's another thing to lend to the "Sonia is sheikah" theory, at 15:50 you can see the sheikah eye motif with the triforce underneath somewhat mimicking the teardrop shape!

[@Banuune]

Yes! I think there were SOME people working on TOTK that actually loved their job. Some of them really tried. Most got crushed by Nintendo. Yet, if you notice the details from the people who put love in their work, I think a lot of things can be explained. But sadly all theories are just that. theories. Nintendo made it clear, that they had little to no intention connecting totk to the timeline fully. But I'm still glad you liked it and that my ideas made you think ^^

[@bamboozled_again]

i liked your theorie, would make more sense and since nintendo will not do anything to help us understand their weird totk timeline this is much appreciated :D

[@kano7784]

I think this theory makes so much sense! Great video 😃

[@armnhc84]

I wouldn’t say he was stupid, but incredibly naive absolutely.

[@JasonFord-l3p]

He can't be that dumb, how else would he get such a sexy goat lady for a wife

[@Banuune]

I meaaaan.... you have a point...

[@robertw31968]

I really like your theory. It makes a lot of sense to me. Great video.

[@Banuune]

Thank you ^_^

[@ZayaMillis]

Such a great video, and it totally makes sense!

[@Banuune]

Thank you. I've thought about it a lot. And there are a few points that still don't make sense, but the majority of mysteries can be explained with this theory 😊

[@mver191]

Funny how Ganondorf is actually the hero of the story.

[@Banuune]

How is he a hero? O.o

[@magau3698]

I always thought that botw and totk are just the reboot of the franchise for a new generation. But. The more I think of this theory…. The more it begins to make sense. Still leaves unanswered questions. But. Makes sense nonetheless

[@Banuune]

Thank you. Glad I was able to open new ways to see it. ^^

[@magau3698]

@@Banuune you should do a video about the heroes aspect. Once you complete 152 shrines you get amour that resembles the hero from the tapestry. Because I don’t know who’s man that is lol.

[@Banuune]

@@magau3698 and you think I do? 😂 There is a video from a different Creator, will link it later here, where she explains who this figure could be, and it could even fit into my theory. You have to check it out. Give me a sec.

[@Banuune]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZOyoq2Vf65-ebcsi=sdcs5eAq9gb2uv6E here!

[@magau3698]

⁠@@Banuune😂 Fair enough. Been curious and I will watch the video. Thankyou very much for sharing… and I failed to say you are welcome in previous comment!!

[@kiwilemontea4622]

I personally subscribe to a combination of several theories I've seen. I think that the Zonai arrived and formed the kingdom of Hyrule long after the events of The Windwaker. Windwaker concluded with the complete destruction of Hyrule and the Koroks making new landmasses on top of it. This resulted in the two-tier Hyrule we now know, with the older, destroyed Hyrule being the Depths. Rauru didn't know about Zelda, Link and Ganondorf because that history was literally washed away with the Great Sea.

[@llliwwille]

Short answer: yes Long answer: yes

[@Banuune]

Yes.

[@DarthRaptor22]

The best explanation I've seen is that the past of TotK is so far in the future, that past Hyrule kingdoms became myths and legends. So technically Rauru wasn't lying or breaking the timeline when he said they founded Hyrule. We're talking about 100k years after Zelda 2. It's implied in BotW that the Calamity that happened 10k years prior wasn't the first Calamity

[@Banuune]

IIIIIIdon't see that. I don't see how the Royal family was able to keep track of 95% of thei history throughout the entire timeline, loose it completly, and then gain it back out of a sudden. Rauru has never heard about a Zelda, never heard someone else claiming being from hyrule as they JUST FOUNDED IT, never heard of a Link ever before who played the fucking biggest part in their history, and never heard about the master sword until Zelda told him. THE ONLY TIME where non of those where ever a thing was during the Time between the events of Skyward Swords Past and Presnet. As Zelda and Link weren't born yet, the Goddess Sword was still in the Sky and wasn't turned into the master sword yet, the Triforce is the Symbol of hylia and the Temple of Time which is still on the ground during this time, so the Triforce is something Rauru knew about obviously. And as Demise playced the curse on Link in the PAST, Demises curse is already present during the PRESENT of the game. It's a loop. So aply that to totk. you will see, that i could be right here. It would also not break the timeline. I thought about that hard but wasn't able to fully explain my thoughts in the video. I'm working on some Elden Ring stuff currently and it will take some time but I PROMISE I will make another timeline video and maybe there I'll be able to fully explain what I mean and why I think I could be right here Hope to see you there! While you wait, check out Elden Ring if you haven't already. It's like Zelda for adults. Me and @moxiewatts are constanly working on videos about it so you might want to check it out too :)

[@DarthRaptor22]

@Banuune I figured it would kinda be like our current history. We only know that which was written down and has survived throughout the years. We know very little or nothing past a few thousand years. Not saying I believe this, but there could have been thousands of years of notable history that was lost to time and/or world destroying events. So it's very plausible that the entire series was so far in the past that nothing had made it to the present

[@Banuune]

But then why does Botw Zelda mention the hero of twilight, the hero of the wind and so on? Why do the Zora tablets mention Ruto from oot? There is so much of the history that WAS passed down and was never forgotten. So Rauru being in the middle of it and not knowing SHIT would be insulting to him, lol. But if nothing of the timeline has happend yet, than it would make sense why he doesn't know shit.

[@camronreynosa4958]

Idk what you be smokin but talk of totk and skyward connections are very hot topics across fan discussions

[@Banuune]

Weed. I smoke weed. But I don't know what you mean, as I know that everyone sees the similarities between the games, but in my opinion, the people are interpreting the similarities wrong. Sooo... Yeah ... But that is just my opinion

[@uidtoficial6086]

Just awesome... you left me speachless. I buy it. You surely have done your homework. You have my like and my suscription. Greetings from El Salvador.

[@Banuune]

Thank you so much!! Yes I researched this very well, as it is my head canon 😂

[@Jlopezocasio]

If botw and totk take place at the end of the timeline then maybe the pirates from wind waker found Hyrule being founded by the Zonai. Spoilers. After they die then maybe the pirates take control of Hyrule after having lead Hylians to the new land. Tetra is the only Zelda who goes by a different name that would keep Rauru from recognizing it and is also not an actual current princess of a kingdom. Demise’s curse is over the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero which Rauru has neither. I’m pretty sure he never had kids either so a new family has to transition to being Hyrule’s royal family while reintroducing the bloodline of the goddess. Tetra is the best candidate to explain how the Zonai found Hyrule and how the blood of the goddess is still in the royal family. The wish at the end of wind waker could also explain how she or a descendant of her could get into such a position of power.

[@vanpisram]

Impossible, you completely disregard the fact that Ganondorf is supposed to be a reincarnation of Demise but in your version Ganondorf lives before the curse is even cast. Also it means the existence of multiple Ganondorf at the same time because of mummy Ganondorf being there for the entire story which I don’t believe.

[@Banuune]

No it is not! The curse was placed by demise in the past and not in the present of skyward sword (ghirahim kidnapped Zelda and went through the gate. There link killed him and the curse was placed.. In the past!

[@OctagonalSquare]

I personally think the “distant past” we see in TOTK is BEFORE skyward sword. Ganon in this situation would not be the incarnation of Demise’s hatred. It could be that Raru and Sonia founded the original Hyrule before the events of the past mentioned in Skyward Sword. They would then raise their kingdom up, leaving behind the Sheika and other races. Then the events of skyward sword happens long after, when the Zonai have long since passed on and left their islands in the sky, explaining some of the weird islands you find in Skyward Sword that dont seem relevant to Skyloft.

[@Banuune]

Hey there. I see you. But I was more talking about the rauru/Zelda time of totk, but not the entire zonai past thing. This happened probably way before when hylia was still on the surface

[@Carcallingus]

I love your editing

[@АннаИзвекова-г4ц]

What about Ganondorf? He is supposed to be reincarnation of Demise or I guess original demon king that was resurrected as Demise (I guess), but he was sealed for time skysword took place. Demise curse is the origin of reincarnation cycle, so Ganondorf should be born AND die after the curse. I don't see problem with races tho cz it's not that important and they can retcon it :/

[@Banuune]

Where I place the game is in-between the events we see and play in SS. So at the time of rauru, demises curse was established, as he was sealed in the past.

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

The Zelda timeline rlly is complicated huh How tf do i understand it. Was alot of info that stuck with me

[@TheTrueNehme]

0:18 if Zelda had the Resident Evil narrator

[@ToGoAloneTakeThis]

I love this theory and it does help explain a lot of TotK/BotW story questions (like Urbosa saying Calamity Ganon once "took the form" of a Gerudo rather than just *being* a Gerudo in TotK). But I think the strongest evidence against it is Ocarina of Time's events: The adult timeline has Ganondorf destroy Hyrule Castle entirely and create his own castle nearby. It's well established that Hyrule Castle needs to remain standing to protect Ganondorf's seal so it stays undisturbed, so this placement would have a plot hole left by OoT.