is Rio Ferdinand WRONG about Bukayo Saka?

After Rio Ferdinand claimed Bukayo Saka is NOT world class the kick off lads debate just how good the Arsenal hero is.
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The latest episode of the Kick Off Podcast ignites a fiery debate in the football world as Saka's stats are compared to Ronaldo's. With Saka boasting 51 goals and 49 assists in his first 210 appearances compared to Ronaldo's 50 goals and 43 assists, the discussion heats up. Rio Ferdinand's comparison of Saka to Foden sparks controversy, with some arguing Saka's efficiency and impact on the game surpasses flashier players. The panel delves into Saka's potential and the importance of surrounding him with the right team. Could Saka reach the heights of Ronaldo or Messi? Tune in to hear the debate and join the conversation!
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[@hiiithisisinsanewoow6753]

Saka is very good. Could be great (Hazard, Alexis level), but trying to convince yourself that he could reach prime Messi and Ronaldo level is delusional. Might take 40 years to get the next Messi. Bro had like 2 ballon dor's, 2 UCL's and and treble at that age. While playing at the best team ever.

[@dragonflame99k34]

And he is no where near gonna be the level of hazard Sanchez as well tf 😂😂😂

[@GOATZELWARDBANDWAGON.]

​@@dragonflame99k34I dont he'll ever be hazard pure talent/ability wise. But tbf even sanchez i dont think anyone thought hed be THAT good and he was 25 when he moved. Same with the likes of a Salah or kdb etc....whens saka e.g 25 would be a fairer analysis of his level

[@IbrahimAli-jb8ml]

I think he can. He's already halfway there statwise at the age of 22.@@dragonflame99k34

[@dragonflame99k34]

Sanchez was sick at Barca too.Salah was also already a good player at Roma for 2 seasons

[@xpds5543]

Hazard is levels , saka will never reach the heights and he’s never done anything that’s made you get off your seat

[@aarondt77]

You had me for first few minutes but then you compared him to the way Gerrard carried Liverpool.... Lost me there mate

[@kurtsudheim825]

Mature he started at lb for the worst arsenal side in pl era, pea & their gun where the only other decent players they had, they eye a joke. He's a kid, who who always say ate inconsistent cause they're learning, & he's been performing for them for years now. He has decibel varied that team, maybe not as much as Steven or Harry at spurs, but they had exp

[@duckers5120]

Exactly, try winning a champion's league with Djimi Traore and Vladimir Smicer 😂😂😂

[@PotatoAimNr1]

​@@kurtsudheim825Huh?

[@jeevanthomas8095]

Crazy how arsenal fans are rewriting history. As if aubameyang wasnt the one actually doing the carrying 3-4 years ago..

[@Edyoucation-fe1qq]

Imagine having to drag that midfield of Xavi Alonso and Mascherano. And how can you possibly get assists when the likes of Torres and Suarez up top. Must be difficult.

[@kaneharris3971]

That fact u even mentioned him in the same sentence as Messi an Ronaldo is insane

[@ayaanlatif2296]

He didn’t, sky sports did

[@kaneharris3971]

And so did the arsenal fan multiple times👍🏻

[@CaughtColdBoxing]

@@kaneharris3971he said there is no reason he can’t get on his level which is ridiculous. Not even the best winger in the league

[@vidalgutierrez1736]

@@CaughtColdBoxingand Ronaldo didn’t even play 433. These guys are the worst

[@mavsworld1733]

​@@vidalgutierrez1736Ronaldo was a winger playing for the best team in the premier league, who had just won the premier league the year before and had won it 4 times in the last 5 years. After he joined they didn't win it, and they didn't win the champions league too. It took them 5 years with him in the team to win the champions league and 4 years to win the league. They won the FA cup in his first season, but that his only major silverware until the prem. So where exactly was Ronaldo on another level or taking games by the scruff of the neck, because if you are in a team with Neville, Ferdinand, Scholes, Keane, Giggs and Rooney, and you aren't winning titles then you're clearly not that otherworldly at that age.

[@Anonymous-sq8me]

My god the levels of delusion this arsenal fan has is genuinely unbearable🤣🤣 Saka potential level of Ronaldo and Messi is laughable

[@artetaDagoat]

Ronaldo maybe

[@gedeonnsiala4838]

Not all these guys are even arsenal fans

[@generalpausanias7089]

​@@artetaDagoat😂😂

[@mirkys130]

@@artetaDagoatI know football is the worlds game but maybe it just ain’t for you lmao

[@joshskeels810]

Well.. has better stats than ronaldo at same age 😂😂

[@jackrodwell4967]

Wow, have i just heard that there is no reason why saka can reach ronaldos levels? The disrespect is unbelievable its like saying haaland is the best striker in premier league history because he holds the record for most goals in a pl season...

[@handysphinx2125]

yeah saka will never ever reach anything close to ronaldo or messi

[@JPayne95]

It's a detriment to saka to be compared to such freaks

[@akeemguy7331]

bad analogy because Halaand could actually rip PL records apart if he stays long enough..

[@laddoink7636]

​​​@@akeemguy7331He can score 300 in 10 seasons and it doesnt change the fact that hes nowhere near henry, rooney, suarez, rvp, salah (aguero kane in my opinion as well) Numbers are context dependent and haaland has the easiest context for numbers for any player ever- poaching for man city and being compared to technical fluid strikers ( if you drop deep and wide to progress play then the tap ins and rebounds go to your teammates more and modern teams score more, and title challengers post billionaire era dominate more- more points and goals) Haaland objectively doesnt improve his teams goals per game from when foden or alvarez play in his position. All opinions on strikers are just outdated boomerisms

[@akeemguy7331]

@@laddoink7636 again still a bad analogy 😂 Halaand would reach much closer to their level than Saka would reach to Ronaldo's...

[@brianonyango6011]

This was the most constructive discussion I have heard concerning the Saka vs Foden discourse. Both players are absolutely TOP.

[@kurtsudheim825]

I hate this constant comparison, it's so stupid, saying one os great didn't mean the other isn't, they're on different paths rn, so what

[@cam_bielby6335]

Saying Foden wouldn’t get in above martinelli is mental😂

[@NphiniT]

Martinelli is better than Foden bruv

[@technodiscofool]

@@NphiniTMartinelli is great, but Foden is miles clear

[@andziaarus8902]

Different tyle of players can't compare

[@augment999]

innit Foden is so clear of Martinelli

[@NphiniT]

@@technodiscofool Stop that man. Martinelli is Ballon D'or material. He is clear clear off Foden.

[@mathieuz.1243]

Foden breaking into the squad w david, bernardo kdb yaya gundo mahrez sane sterling etc is much more impressive. He’s done it in ucl semi finals and finals big performances to win ucl’s and cups. Not to mention winning ypoty twice in a row. Comparison only came when foden was injured last szn….

[@jeevanthomas8095]

There's this idea that its easier to shine and play at a high level when your surrounded by great players and its harder when your surrounded by not so great but good players. Its exactly the opposite. Saka stood out because he was the best of a bad bunch whereas foden stands out even when hes surrounded by some of the best players itw and has to play at that high standard to just start for the team. Saka is not on fodens level. Im a realmadrid fan and despise city but foden is clear

[@ndola2252]

He NEVER played in the knock out stages of UCL or the semi and final of FA cup. City won but he wasn't in the team.

[@rodrigomadureira5677]

​@@ndola2252, foden did tho. Foden has the same G/A (3) as arsenal in semi and ucl finals😂

[@falsemanager654]

Foden will NEVER replicate The numbers Saka did last season in a prem season in his whole career Think about that

[@jeevanthomas8095]

@@falsemanager654 saka had 29 g/a last season foden had 24 g/a already this season. Lmao

[@MrDylanh1995]

Foden had to break into the City team first though? Pep doesn’t just pick someone and use them as a Swiss army knife to fix all his problems without rating him highly. Foden benefits from playing with great players but he had to break into that team first and beat a lot of great players before he could benefit from that.

[@willusher1723]

Glad he got that in at the end about Saka's mentality. It couldn't be more false when people call him "shy". He's just so humble, brings a positive attitude everywhere and he works so hard for the team tracking back, helping us retain the ball and dominate instead of taking on the 2/3 players marking him. He definitely plays more functional but that is very much down to the way we play. I think if he simply played more as an inside forward in more of a free role he'd have more of that superstar Salah, Hazard, Bale tag already. Maybe we can see that for England especially with more open games, but I love what he does for Arsenal. What a player and what a strong CHARACTER 💪

[@kurtsudheim825]

Tldr, but I agree, everyone makes him of him for missing a pen. Bit my q is: WHY TF is a 19yo stepping up to take a pen that could win your nation its first trophy in half a century? Where was walker, Jordan... bunch of shrinking violets foe exp players. I get they were attackers, but expecting kids to handle the pressure

[@princekweyama3693]

Yes, He’s Wrong you can’t possibly Justify Foden being World Class and Saka not being world class aswell. It’s either there both world class or there both not there yet.

[@akeemguy7331]

That only makes sense if someone believes they are equal..

[@CrossxFir3]

That doesn't make sense. One is in the midfield and one is a winger.

[@ShiftDrift-kh6wb]

You're clueless

[@princekweyama3693]

@@CrossxFir3 lol Fodens only been playing midfield consistently this season and even then Pep didn’t trust him in there vs Chelsea other than that Foden has always been playing across the front 3 as a forward

[@drep9028]

If, could have, maybe....all hypothetical. Foden is a treble winner and stepped up in KDB absence. Without hypotheticals...there's no comparison

[@khabibsson7122]

Saka is nowhere near the Neymar hazard bale level let alone Messi Ronaldo, he’s not better than foden either, he’s a quality player but there are levels

[@obadiahsamuel9278]

Listen to their argument closely....at 22 is what they're talking about not Saka matching their careers

[@khabibsson7122]

@@obadiahsamuel9278 bale at 22 was winning PFA awards and terrorizing the league, Neymar got his move to Barcelona after winning it all in Brazil, Hazard won the league for Lille

[@matthewchandler8255]

Saka gets less credit (compared to past players) because he is in no way flashy. Robhino was considered great at one point mostly because he was flashy

[@prometheustv6558]

@@obadiahsamuel9278at 22 he’s nowhere near them

[@jammers1996yido]

Bale at 22 had: UEFA TOTY 2011 Carling Cup Winner 08 PFA POTY 10/11 2 Times Prem TOTY Name me a single game or moment that Saka has had that's comparable to: Hattrick vs Inter at the San Siro 2010 Destorying the world champions Inter at White Hart Lane 2010 Goal vs Stoke 2010 Dragging Spurs into the Champions League 09/10 Back-to-back MOTM Performances vs Chelsea and Arsenal to put Spurs 4th in April when Man City was favourites in 09/10 MOTM vs Arsenal at the Emirates, scoring the first goal in a 2-3 come back win in 2010 Championship TOTS 2007 All that happened before he was 22... Bale's team in he's last season at Spurs consisted of Michael Dawson, Clint Dempsey, Assou-Ekotto, Tom Huddlestone, Scott Parker, and Adebayor as Starters lmao.

[@kylesmyle4907]

Bale levels above mate don’t lower yourself to these mental arsenal fans.

[@user-bq2tc6dh6t]

bale only had a handful of great seasons he didn’t looked arse half the time

[@jakecollin5499]

I thought you were being a bit harsh but when you listed those starters he had …you win 😂. I loved Clint Dempsey but fuck that’s a tough lineup

[@user-rh1iv7yp2c]

This comment is reaching for the most part. Individual awards, sure but the rest is some some goals and some one off games. You could fill out a list doing the same thing with any player. Also did you even watch football back then? Adebayor was a top striker so I don't know why you're mentioning him like he was rubbish. Scott Parker wasn't bad either.

[@CliffordCT76]

This is not how you think every day. Saka won FA cup when he was 18,that's just a bare minimum

[@competitive_north280]

0:59 is he fucking serious? Arsenal on Saka’s back? jesus christ it’s like he’s the only player who plays for arsenal.

[@MesterWilliam-ny9nq]

not now like 2-3 years ago

[@aDsnow]

You definitely weren’t around during 2021 cause back then if Saka didn’t perform Arsenal didn’t either

[@eeeminem9747]

He means when Saka first came into the team, before Edu and Arteta recruited an entire new team.

[@competitive_north280]

@@aDsnow during 2021 sure, but it’s not like the entire club was on his back even during that time, and he definitely didn’t CARRY them to 2nd, that’s so disrespectful to other players.

[@TheSideOfSpirit]

Yeah, 2-3 years ago when he was playing left back.

[@Airyed]

Absolutely both him and Foden are fantastic this narrative that only one of them is good is so annoying I hate that two young players are being used against each other

[@Obolix101]

i know they are both class and will both have excellent careers imo

[@akeemguy7331]

that's modern football fans for you... If i say one person is good.. People interpret that as me saying someone else is bad.. A player is either great or sh*t these days.. no in between,.

[@virtualcity721]

Saka is way better, Foden is not even better than Palmer

[@kurtsudheim825]

They're on slickly divergent paths, but exactly, getting to make it look like one isn't great because the other is better is cheap. Shows me more what a useless thing rio is, as bad as Jamie, both car & red knapsack

[@kurtsudheim825]

​@@virtualcity721yes he is, don't be thick, Cole looks great because he's standing out at Chelsea who are horrendous

[@MGJK97]

The Gerrard comment lost me. WAFFLE.

[@elderado1623]

The foden slander is egregiously stupid. Saka is great, but he’s not good enough to warrant this level of foden disrespect

[@jordandumehlezimthombeni1051]

When City needs and LW, RW, CAM, CM and false 9, Foden is always there to answer. Them saying Saka is carrying Arsenal is more of disrespect to Odegard, Rice, Partey, Saliba even i can argue for Jesus and Zinny coz they are the ones who motivated them to challenge for the title.

[@yetundeadeyemi2436]

People only like foden because he's on best team itw but at the same time is underperforming, especially compared to how Saka has been

[@samwheaton8591]

@@yetundeadeyemi2436dumbest comment I’ve ever heard

[@TheUltimatewomble]

Don't think saka fancies playing in the championship with city

[@bunnytan01]

They don’t want him

[@marioknight5937]

😂😂😂

[@yearo77]

I support neither team and Saka is world class. For Arsenal he has been fabulous and had a dip like most do but now is back on form. But the true test is watch him for England he is usually one of or if not Englands best players. Where Foden never is. Against France in the World Cup he unplayable.

[@danielainger8666]

Saka is not world class, people throw that word around.

[@yearo77]

@@danielainger8666 that’s your opinion. Like it is Rio’s, but if Foden is then Saka definitely is.

[@AJ-nd4nk]

​@@yearo77Neither are world class.

[@kylesmyle4907]

Ronaldo wasn’t a stats monster in his first 5 years of professional football. Let’s revisit the conversation in 10 years after Saka never even reaches world class level, never mind top 5 footballers EVER.

[@CTrillions]

He’s already worldclass u melt

[@kylesmyle4907]

@@CTrillions is he bollocks you silly little sausage 😂😂😂

[@JimmyWashingtonII]

You can't your opinion onto people. ​@@CTrillions

[@CTrillions]

@@JimmyWashingtonII not an opinion it’s Facts

[@dagzey]

as a liverpool fan ..i think saka is better than foden

[@TrapSection]

How about this argument. Do you think Saka would've made his way through the City roster? I'd say absolutely not. Over Mahrez? Come on.

[@tomashehir]

He would’ve been rotated, in the same way Foden was.

[@benhoughton7009]

He’s better than Mahrez cmon

[@samwheaton8591]

@@benhoughton7009omg I can’t stand arsenal fans. Have a word with yourself

[@maninform3523]

"saka is already hazard level" and they wonder why they get ridiculed as a fanabase, ffs its not about G/A, saka is close to even being as good as hazard are you mad ? he is a good reliable young winger, he's like a young sterling, so please chill

[@benhoughton7009]

Way better than Sterling cmon 😅😭

[@MaximilianXXX]

He's definitely not Hazard level, but he is better than young Sterling (when he was at Liverpool). Saka offers more defensively, which is key to Arsenal's high press.

[@Mana-vv6vp]

Did I just hear BUKAYO SAKA can reach Ronaldo’s level?????

[@obadiahsamuel9278]

Nah, they're trying to make comparison at age 22. Not a career

[@wtw03]

Any record Can be broken by anyone

[@TheMufc123]

​@@obadiahsamuel9278he literally said there is no reason he can't make it to Ronaldos level. He isn't ever going to be that level and it's embarrassing for him to think that 😂

[@kkkk-hh1ur]

Fooden is more talented if he was at Arsenal he would be there best player

[@ndola2252]

No he wouldn't.

[@rayleighbaldr_d2125]

I agree. If you look at Cole Palmer at Chelsea, you would think he world class but he was playing from the bence for Man City.

[@zombie-xj7gc]

BS

[@cp_vaughny5000]

At 22 Rashford was in his 2nd season of 30+ goals and assists. At 22, this season is going to be Saka’s first. As with Rashford then, Saka is a top PL player but still has to progress to be mentioned in the same breath as Hazard, Bale etc.

[@NphiniT]

Facts! I just hate that progressing usually means moving to Madrid or Bayern or Barca. I hope we can give him medals at Arsenal

[@mhgooner9546]

Why you lying for? At 22 he had 1 season where he contributed to 30 goals and assists.

[@cp_vaughny5000]

@@mhgooner9546 I’m not, all comps, when you’ve looked it up you can come back and I will accept an apology 😀.

[@mhgooner9546]

You're getting your dates wrong lol. At 22 it was his first season to get 30+. @@cp_vaughny5000

[@KingDD2012]

No he’s not wrong, next question

[@oliverfrost2430]

Let’s not disrespect Messi and Ronaldo. Coming from an Arsenal fan. However, I think Saka will become a 45g+a a season player. His season on season progression is incredible and it’s due to his attitude. It’s a strength not a weakness. Always learning, always growing. He can surpass Hazard.

[@sludgepuppy]

Ronaldo's numbers at the start of his career weren't reflective of what he was to become. In his early days, people thought Ronaldo was gonna be a flop, if you remember correctly. Don't get ahead of yourself.

[@NphiniT]

True. Quaresma was the hype in Portugal, not Ronaldo. Last 2 seasons at Man Utd he became a different player (And Messi too after the 2008 Olympics).

[@garysmith1206]

As an England fan I don't care who's better. I'm just glad they are both English.

[@kylesmyle4907]

Can’t start them both as we need to save places for Hendo and the Yorkshire Pirlo

[@user-bq2tc6dh6t]

saka is nigerian

[@garysmith1206]

@@user-bq2tc6dh6t You're either thick ,a troll or a bot which is it?

[@garysmith1206]

@@kylesmyle4907 Is that you Gareth?

[@garysmith1206]

@@user-bq2tc6dh6t You're ether thick, a troll or a bot. Which is it?

[@keyshawnwilliams2929]

While foden was competing against mahrez, David Silva, bernado silva, sané, kdb, yaya. Saka was competing against?. The boy would have been rotated and loaned out at city because of his lack of versatility. Foden can literally play4/5 positions even played striker at one point. Believe me in 10 years foden will have the much better career.

[@funisanartform]

Bro lost so much credibility saying Saka can compare to Ronaldo. Ronaldo was a monster once things clicked. Saka will be in the superstar category of your Modrics, Alexis', Di Marias.

[@akeemguy7331]

😂😂😂 Balon D'or Modric? Man said "will be" not even "could"

[@nightlight6917]

Modric level the one that has a balon d’or and five champion leagues 😂

[@welshwizardzzz423]

18:10 “I’m telling you now it’s coming” - home.

[@thatgeekdad]

Saka doesn't have the mentality to see himself as the carrier of Arsenal. You don't need to be as cocky as M'bappe, which he got for winning the WC at 18, but he needs to start getting that swag of Beckham, Ibhra, and Ronaldo when he was leaving United. He is too humble.

[@Stayfocused365]

“Doesn’t have the mentality”,Do you know the guy 🤡

[@prometheustv6558]

@@Stayfocused365I saw him at the Etihad, under all that pressure he was nowhere to be seen

[@lgc9652]

if we’re comparing saka to foden I see it like this. on the ball I think foden is technically better. He pick up positions where there’s nobody close to him similar to David Silva but he’s light weight. Saka is Physically really strong as well as having unbelievable strength and willing to go shoulder to shoulder with people. If we’re saying who do I want to start for england i’m taking saka all day long.

[@ForestPantherGod]

Will definitely pick Saka over Foden. Hate both Man City and Arsenal but there's a clear difference between the two. Foden is a Pep system player. Saka can play in any team.

[@inhok5190]

if Saka wins either the prem or the champions league with Arsenal, then you can consider him in that level of Bale and Hazard with another 3-5 years of 25 G/A+ a season but if he goes to City or Madrid, he’s at the level of Sterling

[@123kaired]

Footballers aren't allowed to do them moments like running from the halfway line nowadays. Managers don't allow it as its not optimal

[@TalkToEmCam]

The term world class gets used WAYYYY too often. I personally think it should be reserved for who without any question walk into any team's starting XI. With that said, I feel like there are only a handful of current players that actually should be labeled world class. There's been a big drop off in these kinds of players since the 2020s started

[@roronoalaw7772]

World class for me also means you should be able to start for any team or be within the five best players in the world in your position

[@NphiniT]

I believe it has to do with how robotic the system has gotten. Players have less freedom to express themselves. They have to follow instructions. If Dirk Kuyt (for instance) played in this era, he would have been in discussion for world class. But he was just a very good team player. Most hyped players these days are just very good at executing their coaches' instructions. Which is great. But truly world class players used to force the game to revolve around them. We don't have much of that anymore.

[@benedictharrison2819]

@@roronoalaw7772more like top 3 in your position.

[@mhgooner9546]

​@@benedictharrison2819So there was only 3 world class strikers when Suarez, Aguero, Benzema, Ibra, Lewandowski, Cavani, Kane where all playing at their best?

[@simonmuller2206]

Is this show a full podcast?

[@kurtsudheim825]

I think a big issue for ska is he didn't have pace, not saying he's slow, but i can't recall seeing him blitz down the line like gareth in that final against barca

[@adityatiwary2221]

Foden is far and away a better footballer than Saka.

[@user-rh1iv7yp2c]

Foden isn't even far and away a better footballer than Bowen nevermind Saka

[@BeansBeansBeans]

Based on what? Technical flair?

[@ktmsnoop]

Yeah that’s just your opinion man

[@ndola2252]

Yeah right. That's why one is one of the first names on teamsheet for club and country and the other is mostly rotated. I guess these managers don't know as much as you do! Lol 😅.

[@Mavolovolo-zc4lm]

​@@TwoBlokesOneBall Foden technically is by far better than Saka

[@kaaaiga]

The council estate/ private school analogy is actually spot on

[@Birdman65907]

Saka scored 4 pens this season so on the same amount of open play goals as Foden.

[@allanmburu15]

Assists carries him above foden

[@prometheustv6558]

And Foden has been playing as a midfielder

[@vvs_mordecaiencrypt8012]

If Saka played for Man City,you guys are not considering the fact that Foden had to wait and was not getting as much game time,Saka was thrown into the first team and was getting a lot of minutes under his belt,if he was in Fodens circumstances we don’t know if he would be what he is today

[@charlieyates7231]

Can you please start posting the game highlight reactions from the stream again

[@Mavolovolo-zc4lm]

LEVELS OF THE GAME:my prediction of when Pplayers will end up GOAT-CR7,Messi Legend-Ibra,Suarez,KB9,Bale,Neymar, Robben and Ribery,Vini jr,Mbappe,Haaland,Auguero World class-Hazard,Sterling,Sallah, Rodrygo,Mane,Sane,Doku, Leah Lge elite level-Rooney,

[@matthewhedge2893]

This idea that Saka put Arsenal is a complete myth lol he has been a very good player and one of their best players but to stay he has carried them isn’t true

[@floatinrocktubetalk3768]

Rio had a howler. Saka is definitely the better player. Those stats show that Saka is overhated and actually better than he gets credit for.

[@matthewchandler8255]

He's not flashy... quietly extremely effective

[@19KingCal95]

Bale moved to Real Madrid just turned 24 due to his form the 2 years prior comparing them at that age theres no comparison Bale all day

[@miguelsedda378]

This is what i call a great footballing conversation!!!! 👏👏👏

[@lezdrake3629]

lads Bale was destroying it as a left back at Southampton before he moved to Tottenham, he was a mercurial talent at a very young age

[@Pbaggysmalls]

Glad to be back

[@thefansfootball]

FYI I'm an Arsenal fan. Saka for me doesn't have the personality to be the number 1 guy, but for me he is the ultimate teammate. The levels of Luiz Suarez, Benzema and Modric.

[@NphiniT]

I think you're used to confident and/or arrogant players. Saka can be number 1 just the way he is.

[@ndola2252]

Clueless. He is a humble and very well grounded young man who is and will go far. Shy and retiring he is not.

[@DanoFSmith-yc9tg]

I think Robben or Henry is a really good comparison, easily a top 10 of his generation, just maybe not a top 3 type talent.

[@DonWan47]

To close to call. Saka vs Foden is a tight race but Foden has had the better teammates and coaches.

[@roronoalaw7772]

Saka has been better for England

[@DonWan47]

@@roronoalaw7772 They’re both excellent. I feel uncomfortable taking sides.

[@NphiniT]

Their stats are actually equal if you remove Saka's 4 penalties. So I would say they're equal 😅

[@ndola2252]

You don't remove penalties they are part of football and a legitimate source of goals if you are deemed good enough quality to take them for your team. Saka is.

[@NphiniT]

@@ndola2252 I agree. I'm just saying they're pretty equal stats-wise at the moment

[@callumjames8746]

'Bale didn't look as good as Saka at 22'. Gareth Bale turned 22 ahead of the 2011/12 season, where he got 30 goals and assists in 42 games for Tottenham, which is better than any individual season Saka has put together. Even at 21, Bale scored a hattrick against treble winners Inter, which is still more iconic than anything Saka has done in his career to date. The absolute lack of ball knowledge is astounding.

[@CharmyCharmCharm]

That was great advice at the end

[@kizmutyaba4965]

Cant really dispute that

[@nonder92]

Foden and Saka both need big time moments in big time matches to be considered world class. I think right now (setting aside medals and trophies) Saka has produced a little bit more of those big moments but he hasn’t been part of many big time matches yet outside the prem league until this year. It’s all really subjective really.

[@kurtsudheim825]

So scoring against spurs, man & city, lvpl... & for national side at a tournament didn't count for big moments? Well enlighten me as to what you do count as big moments

[@nonder92]

@@kurtsudheim825 don’t get all butt hurt, I’m a gunner too amigo. I meant as far as exposure goes, Foden I think has had more exposure to big matches earlier on in his career like the champions league as well as being around some truly world class talent at city. Saka had to grow with the talent and system that was brought in by arteta. That being said I really think saka just beats Foden because I think saka would be even more efficient and effective than Foden if he was at city instead. Regardless, both still need more big matches to keep proving it. I think saka is a bit more consistent but it’s hard to stand out in any of peps systems unless you’re debruyne or Messi lol

[@mavsworld1733]

So where are Haalands moments? Didn't see any in the FA cup final or Champions league final. Saw a lot of Rodri and KDB though. Yet everyone goes on about him.

[@nonder92]

@@mavsworld1733 I agree, Haaland is a glorified poacher and that’s pretty much it. He’ll only have a chance at league titles and champions league medals. Try to stay on topic though lol kdb and Silva are world class because they are always consistent. I think saka is more consistent than Foden and if he were at city instead he would definitely be more efficient than Phil but they are in different positions so it’s not a true 1 to 1 comparison. It’s hard to stand out in a pep team unless you’re kdb or Messi lol regardless, I’m taking saka because I think he is someone who can really take over when needed and he’s shown a lot of maturity when it mattered especially after missing such a vital pk on an international stage.

[@mavsworld1733]

@@nonder92 I agree, but everyone seems to think that Haaland is world class, so I don't really see how people can agree that, and then make demands of Saka, that Haaland doesn't fulfill. It seems like shifting the goal posts.

[@cameronwilliams301]

It’s actually incredibly disrespectful to put saka into any version of ronaldo conversations.

[@catfishpoptart8895]

Can we just let him be Saka? These comparisons are outrageous.

[@joey-jp3wd]

That Arsenal fans acts like Saka's been playing for Torquay united for the past 5 year

[@markm1419]

He was playing with trash players though like mustafi Kolasinac Bellerin chambers Torreira guendouzi lacazette

[@lukesullivan5576]

Hahaha immediately bottled it on that stevie g point

[@Bradley.433]

I love saka, I think he offers so much to our attack but as a forward to be considered world class by everyone you need world class ball striking. Right now he’s getting better at it, but he’s still got a massive room for improvement there, if he keeps developing his ball striking that’s when no one will question if he’s world class.

[@user-wy3vb4vl8c]

Of course arsenal fan thinks saka is better😂😂

[@Naveen-rl1jv]

I expect this to be a completely unbiased debate

[@hellguys1372]

The Fact that there is a hesitation if Foden Gets in the Arsenal team is a joke, Foden literally filled Debruyne's position who is one of the best Attacking midfielders in the history premier league. If you want to be considered a "world Class Player" you need to perform in big stages, Saka is just starting to play in UCL

[@katlegomohlabane1504]

This is why we say arsenal fans are the worst

[@avuzwamrwebi3508]

What team trophy has Jude won so far?

[@j_sr3608]

This conversation is a proof that just because you're a football fan and talk about football doesn't mean you know football. I mean, they are questioning Saka's mentality in the same show they praised his mentality for bringing Arsenal from 8th to a title contender. Foden can't carry himself through the season let alone carrying the whole team. Hazard took games by the scruff of the neck, but Saka doesn't. Why do you think he gets double teamed? He's become even better since having a target on his back. Jude although a great player but he's a superstar more because of his marketability and not because he has done something notable in the game. He's actually known to be a cocky and toxic character in the dressing room. Saka is a model student and a model professional, which is not great for marketability among the young generation. And how dare you mention David Beckham as a bench mark, Saka is already better than that one trick pony.

[@alfredthegreat9543]

When i heard Rio had said that I was like eh? Really? Isn't a comparison. Just look over the last 3 seasons, Saka does it week in week out. PS no-one will do Ronaldo/Messi figures again because La Liga was overall such a low standard at that time due to financial disparity- a situation that is being rectified by the Spanish FA now.

[@siraajhabib8491]

Ronaldo and messi would have done those same numbers if they were playing in the prem.

[@alfredthegreat9543]

@@siraajhabib8491 Absolutely not, that's a really silly statement. The PL has been far more competitive with a lot more strength in depth hence it's viewing figures dwarf La Liga globally. Ronaldo had good figures in the PL....but after 110 games Saka has beaten him in goals and assists in the PL. La Liga has been 2 massive clubs and then the rest, the PL has 10-12 massive clubs at least. Messi should have gone to the PL instead of taking the easy money and padding his stats in an even weaker league (even the Championship is stronger than Ligue 1). I think he bottled it tbh.

[@prometheustv6558]

@@alfredthegreat9543when they were making up those numbers La liga was much better than the PL

[@alfredthegreat9543]

@prometheustv6558 Define "better"? Not as competitive ar exciting to watch as the Premier League for nearly 30 years.

[@prometheustv6558]

@@alfredthegreat9543 better as in higher ranked by UEFA, “more exciting to watch” doesn’t indicate quality of the league. When Messi and Ronaldo were there La Liga was ranked higher than the Prem and Messi was owning Prem teams.

[@tomashehir]

Both top quality players. Saka for me but that’s just my opinion.

[@andymore62]

People just hate on him because he plays with a lot of power and quick little moves rather than dribbling like Neymar or Ronaldinho, but ultimately, he gets the ball to the spaces where it needs to go, has good vision, works his ass of in defense, and he has become a pretty lethal finisher. He does it all at a high level.

[@jmainofficial]

I’m ten seconds in and almost clawing my eyes out at the Ronaldo saka comparison.. its just to hold agendas it is statistically IMPOSSIBLE for Saka to reach the heights of Ronaldo stop baiting for clicks honestly i dont mind hot takes but cmon Ronaldo at a young age was doing it on every stage internationally too going far with a sub par Portuguese team.. scoring freekicks and goals for just inside the opponents half all of which we have never seen Saka do im not a hater only of the new generation of sports podcast who filter rubbish to there audience have a day off🤦🏽‍♂️

[@slimshady12345ish]

Sorry but what the arsenal fan said about saka being the most important player is ridiculous, arsenal are a great example of a team of all its parts, odegaard the maestro, partey and xhaka last year being a huge part of their success and the most important one is saliba, when he was out for that brief period last season is when they "bottled" the title and that was with saka in the team. Saka is brilliant but ability wise foden is more talented. foden has recreated how to use a ball and glide through players, saka is just like Robben and every other left footed right winger using their pace and guile to drift in from the right, he can half bang a ball though. Talented, brilliant absolutely but footballing wise Foden is like nothing we have ever seen from an English player and its mind boggling how people cant see that !

[@nyakwargari]

Why is there a need to down play Saka's stats ? I wonder ? ... Saka has already shown consistency , Someone said Saka tricks the opposition that he is a "nice guy" ... Until he punishes you ... And you guys have fallen for it , because he has no arrogance you think he does not have GOAT mentality

[@clockendreports824]

Saka is a world class talent performing at a world class level. But as an Arsenal fan he’s not world class yet. Neither is Foden. For me World Class has to be performing at an elite level at the biggest stage for at least a few years. They’re a couple of years away from that calibre.

[@MesterWilliam-ny9nq]

if saka has a good ucl campaign and we get to semi finals i will call him world class i think

[@samwheaton8591]

Foden having to break in to one of the best sides ever with a coach who will ONLY play you if you’re at his level while also playing in a position he doesn’t prefer for YEARS and only now that he is being allowed to play centrally he’s arguable been City’s best this season. Also the G/A argument is so dumb. Saka is deigsnated pen taker, meanwhile foden has to share stats with haaland, KDB and the like. Saka can also quite easily get marked out of a game.

[@kk2bad]

Arsenal fan here. Completely agree with Saka comments. Also Gerrard was world class from day one to the last. I think the young guy showing his age as if you lived through Gerrard era you would know this

[@jordandumehlezimthombeni1051]

When Man City needs an LW, RW, CAM, CM and false 9, Foden is there to answer. The question is that can SAKA offer that for Man City? Foden can play the RW position for Arsenal. So Foden can do what Saka does for Arsenal but Saka cant do that for City

[@matthewchandler8255]

Saka to me... doesnt have a skillset that will diminish greatly... hes not doing 20 stepovers and beating dudes. Hes sorta quietly effective. My fear is that he stays exactly the same, but thats still very good. His secret weapon is how good he is with his off (right) foot

[@LuanDeJager]

Here is the problem, when you comparing Saka to the Ronaldo and Messi that won't happen again We have Mbappe and Haaland as the sort of discount versions When comparing to the Hazards, Bales etc Football doesnt exist like it did for them, Hazard/Bale where given so much freedom to express their talent where footballers today are moulded into a system and thats the biggest problem/strength Saka will have.

[@OfficialJStarr]

That private school vs estate analogy was a bit mad, but very true 😂😂😂

[@Joshwaheazo]

I remember Ronaldo in the premier league. I'm from Brighton so I didn't actually have a premier league team, I just hated how smug United fans were so I supported whoever they were playing every week. When Ronaldo got 42 goals from the left wing that was unheard of. It was annoying how good he was. He actually won the ballon dor; only two Premier League players have done that not even TiTi. Was so glad when he left 🤭.

[@Arbizunuila]

the disrespect to Gerrard lmao

[@oma_gooner]

Saka is world class level 2, Messi and Ronaldo and the lot are world class level 1, Foden is also world class level 2! There are 2 WC levels, level 1 and 2!

[@joshufo9959]

Chelsea fans talk about Hazard as if he was a Balon D'or winner 😂

[@user-jk9we8tl8p]

I find the comparison of Saka and Foden very similar to that of salah and hazard. Hazard (like Foden) was always more talented and better on the eye but can't argue with salahs efficiency. Obviously they're not at them levels yet but similar stylistically.

[@lmostayoutuber]

Saka has good stats but he could easily go up another level, if he improves on his weaker foot and heading, also work on his consistency of crosses, the only way is up

[@astro9219]

Saka didn’t lose England that shootout. Penalties were missed before Saka stepped up and England were trailing.

[@TedStarPlayz]

Hard to listen to this much dribble. Level as Messi/Ronaldo, Gerrard not good at 22 and Foden would not get into this Arsenal team. Wow.

[@TedStarPlayz]

It gets worse - same level as Hazard and Bale.

[@beigbeders]

Ronaldo with ManUtd won 3 PL titles, 1 FA Cup, 2 EFL's, 1 Community Shield, 1 FIFA Club World Cup and 1 Champions League title. And a Ballon d'Or. Au revoir.

[@SamsonRyan72]

As an Arsenal fan lots of the points the Arsenal guy made are correct but he ruins them by mentioning Ronaldo and Messi and saying the Saka is already on the level of the Robben's, Hazard's etc. Saka can reach the levels of Hazard, Robben etc over the span of his career but he's still quite a way off them at the moment. He still has to win and continue at this level for at least another 4-5 seasons. Yes, arguably Robben, Salah etc weren't as good as Saka at 22 but that's almost irrelevant. They were consistent for years and years at whatever ages their peak was at. Saka still has a long way to go, lets not be silly. He isn't world class just yet, but if we go deep into the CL this season and he is a massive part with good numbers in the KO stages and we potentially win the PL, his case becomes almost undeniable. What Saka does have is that inevitability about him. He's a player that seems to always have an impact even in off games. Foden doesn't have that. Saka definitely will have a big career he's just inevitable. People have become way too much with this technical ability stuff. In the sense that if you look nice when dribbling, that makes you a better footballer. No, what makes you a better footballer is how efficient you are. And let's not pretend that Saka is not exhilarating to watch when he's firing. He gets goals, he makes assists, he's creative output is always top 5 in the league in terms of chances created etc. He's also brilliant in 1v1's and often has his fullback on toast. He might not have a silky first touch like Zidane, but he's still very fun to watch.

[@ezmony19]

Why do all these folks thing saka is going to leave arsenal. Before he can win multiple trophies. Buddy as long as arsenal are amongst the top teams in Europe the chances of saka leaving is close to none. Remember all the arsenal players that left was because we couldn’t pay them the wages and we weren’t competing . Right now we can match any team in wages and we look the team to beat in a year or two.

[@trashed4005]

I genuinely would love Foden at Arsenal. He'd be a better Wilshere with less injuries. Also comparing the two is stupid because they should ideally be in the same team.

[@CrossxFir3]

If foden was at Arsenal hed be their hest player. And I HATE city far more than Arsenal. I dont think Saka would even start at City.

[@ItsAv3rageGamer]

You don't think Saka is better than Doku then? Come on.

[@Rowan_0161]

Great vidio, Saka vs Foden get 3 people who like saka more and discuss, atleast get a city fan or someone who will argue foden so it's an argument. The team debate is silly as there are pros and cons to both, foden has been in the better team but that means he could be overshadowed and under utilised leading to what you are saying like Foden cant hold a team which i think he has this season and that he isnt as good, Saka on the other hand although hindered by a worse side (this guys acting like Arsanal and Burnley) he has no competition and so get the minutes to hone his talent and skills whilst shining as the main man. Foden in that arsanal side would have been phenomenal in his preferred position, and right now is over odegard your mental if you say otherwise, you mentioned his contributions with no set pieces, saka on the other hand would have had the same problem at city, coming through at arsanal he could make mistakes he could evol as a player, he wouldn't get in over sane or sterling, he would be behind mahrez and bernardo, foden is competing with some of the best midfielders the prem has seen saka isn't Secondly Foden has shone in big games such as his hatric against man u last season, getting his before haaland and that is just 1 example Pep would have saka playing differently and he would have him now but akadamy saka didn't come out this good At the end of the day Messi was more or less a one club man playing for prime Barcelona, that dosnt take away anything from him

[@trenddyy3462]

Saka takes responsibility because there are no world-class players in the arsenal. In city foden does not take that main responsibility because they have literally 5,6 world class players in the playing 11.

[@richardbroad2848]

Out of the two Saka is the better player. If you put Saka into that Man City side he would be having a field day every week. Im not so sure Foden would match Sakas performances if he were in Arsenals side. Just to note, I think Foden is awesome and rate him very, very highly indeed.