Is Road Tripping a Tesla a Dream or a DISASTER? The Answer Actually Surprised Me!

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[@ahavrilla9577]

A disaster because there was no bathroom at the charger-LOL! I would consider it a disaster if the chargers weren't working and I couldn't make it to the next. Guess we have a different definition of disaster. I've done multiple cross country trips, by myself, and have not only had no problems but enjoyed it. I actually appreciate the stops to stretch my legs, use the restroom, shop, eat, or whatever.

[@thisorthat4195]

Pee on the charging station while you wait. That’s what I do.

[@alleyoop5185]

Pay your fair share in road tax and you’ll feel better!

[@ahavrilla9577]

@@alleyoop5185 In most states EVs pay road tax upon registration and then every year.

[@KiRiTO72987]

I mean chargers not working is quite a large issue for non Tesla's that can't use the supercharger network the other third party charging networks are a joke I really hope that NACS (Tesla's charging connector) becoming the new national standard and Tesla beginning to open up the supercharger network to non teslas gets the third party networks to get off their asses

[@brendykes1202]

I’ve done many 1850-2k miles road trips. If you are serious about doing it in two days, you don’t wait until after 10am to start. You start by around 5-7am to maximize that first day. And that’s with a gas car.

[@neutrino78x]

or...you just fly....and get there in like four hours...

[@brendykes1202]

@@neutrino78x that never happens. My last work trip took about 11 hours to fly 1900 miles. I like to control when & what I eat, when I go to the bathroom & not be locked in a metal tube. I also like to bring my dogs. I can’t see ever forcing them to get locked up in the luggage compartment.

[@HeyItsAvi90]

@@neutrino78x but consider the drive to the aiport, check in, waiting for the plane, any delays, getting an uber or car rental place etc

[@neutrino78x]

@@HeyItsAvi90 "but consider the drive to the aiport, " On a 2000 mile distance all that is trivial. I take public transit to the airport, have CLEAR, security is five minutes with that. Quick and convenient.

[@HeyItsAvi90]

@@neutrino78x oh my bad. I was thinking of sfo to vegas which is like 8 hrs where driving isnt too bad.

[@watercooled8105]

I’m a conservative motörhead and occasional track rat, but also appreciate our model 3’s acceleration and unique handling. Just like the house, our garage is gas and electric…works out fine. Great video and insight, thank you.

[@dennisdunbar2340]

Road-tripping can be cheaper if you stay at hotels that provide free L2 charging. Just need to arrive at a low state of charge and leave in the morning with a full charge. I just did a 1300-mile trip from Vancouver to Calgary and back, which cost me $64CA.

[@alleyoop5185]

They aren’t free, that’s why hotel cost is going through the roof,,

[@KiRiTO72987]

​@@alleyoop5185 L2 AC Destination charging is dirt cheap because it's slow, it's definitely not a major contributing factor in hotel room prices especially with the EV market share being what it currently is

[@JeremyBoatright-l3j]

a gas car getting 40 mpg would be $90 that's not a whole lot to brag about spending twice to 4 times the amount on the car i drove my diesel passat 4250 miles from texas to alaska and spent less than $300 and 2000 miles (3300) km was in canada

[@marlonallen8864]

I know you miss having a screen in the charging station, but you have a giant screen on the car that also displays active charge data, with no sub glare. If you're at the charger you're at the car. Those screens at other charge operators also break all the time because they have to withstand the elements leading to a poor user experience. Reliable factor

[@ken-mb5cp]

Just carry a pee jar. This guys a bit of a whiner.

[@the_average_backpacker]

Thank you for pulling the EV discussion out of the political arguments and back into the realm of the technology/ease of use arguments.

[@WW-wf8tu]

But did he really? If he did not even broach the topic of being "political" it would have been straight up the argument of ICE vs EV. Good or bad. You decide for yourselves. But because he is the boss, alone in the car and making the videos, he has every right to go in any direction he feels. Meanwhile telling us not to discuss it because TFL does not do politics. lol Double standards are a funny thing. I think he and I could sit down for hours discussing a variety of matters and rarely see eye to eye. I respect him. And there are rare times I see his points as valid. And might even adhere to his wisdom if I see any. lol But we do share some things in common when it comes to our passion for vehicles and our likes.

[@Johno144]

Imagine how easy it was if there were 10+ chargers at every off ramp like there are pumps. You wouldn’t even have to think or plan. You’d just pull over.

[@carlrodd8510]

doesn't make the process any faster

[@TheAndrwwJohnson]

Tesla did the plan for him, no thinking. He still messed it up because boomer.

[@user-tb7rn1il3q]

@@carlrodd8510Embedded road chargers could if it ever comes to fruition.

[@neutrino78x]

@@user-tb7rn1il3q "Embedded road chargers could if it ever comes to fruition." That defeats the purpose. That would be like hanging a wire....(more expensive, in fact, because you're having to dig up the highway and repave it)....there's simply too much road for it to be worth the expense

[@neutrino78x]

@@carlrodd8510 "doesn't make the process any faster" It would mean that if one is messed up, another is not far away. Chevron and BP are both rolling out electric chargers at their gas stations across the country. Chevron's uses a tech where the charger can give you high energy charge from normal household current (no special circuit/wire needed). It charges its internal battery over time, then it uses that to recharge the battery in your car. If you hook up to it in between charges, it will still work, just go slower.

[@vinumcopia9850]

My biggest takeaway from this is that when you need to go across country as fast as possible, don't do what Roman did. Flying is the way to go in that scenario (You go Tommy). It seems to me that most cross-country road trip are made for leisure, usually with more than one person in the car and not done in a hurry. In that case, an electric car would be great.

[@1519Spring]

I believe Roman did not set out to make EVs look bad, but his unrealistic expectations (not for him, but for most people 😉) had that effect. As you say, if Roman really wanted to leave Marco Island, FL, and be in Boulder the next evening, he should have flown.

[@MrKlawUK]

yep this is a big takeaway for me - fast tracking a long trip with one driver you’re always going to be tired at the end of a 13-14h drive regardless what you’re driving. Arguably dangerous to not get some rest for such a long drive too. I agree if you’re doing that for leisure its likely more relaxed and/or you have a copilot

[@bsaxman2012]

You nailed it.

[@vinumcopia9850]

@@1519Spring Totally agree! Roman has done other long EV road trips before, such as the Cannonball run and Alaska. He had other people in the car with him, and was much more relaxed in those trips.

[@myxalplyx]

@@MrKlawUK FSD FTW!

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

I just did a long road trip - we drove over 5,700 miles - starting in Orlando, through Alabama, to St Louis, Kansas, through rural Nebraska, western Iowa, South Dakota (Badlands and Black Hills), through eastern Wyoming (Devil's Tower), to Denver, Rocky Mountain National Park, up and down Mount Evans, Colorado Springs and back to Orlando. Some things I learned along the way: 1. The Tesla nav system _sometimes_ takes odd routes to the destination or chargers. For example, for a charger in Wheatland, WY - it had me pass the exit next to the charger to go to the next exit then drive through town to reach the charging location basically 500 feet from the previous exit. Makes no sense. I recommend double checking the route to make sure it makes sense - sometimes it does (road work/traffic) but often times it does not. 2. Tesla nav will sometimes pick a v2 charger even when a v3 is nearby. Always double check the area for other chargers the difference between v2 and v3 is huge. Of course, if the v3 is full then the v2 makes sense but often times it just picks the nearest charger. 3. Tesla is a bit conservative with estimating charging stops - I sometimes will cancel the route and have it recalculate to see if it gives me other charging locations - or - sometimes I will manually add the charging stop. 4. When traveling with a family, the vast majority of the time, I was waiting on family to finish their bathroom break or getting snacks rather than the car. Even so, there were a few times when we had to stop for a long charge. But, overall, I thought I would be waiting on the car a lot more after 400 miles each day. 5. Use an app (example: Expedia) to find hotels that offer EV charging. Waking up with a full charge is huge. Many moderate-range hotels offer EV charging, much less common with budget options. Even South Dakota has hotels with EV charging - the world is changing. 6. Mt Rushmore offers EV/Tesla charging in lot 2. This was a pleasant surprise - even the parking attendant was aware of this fact and directed me to lot 2. 7. My wife has mastered packing the Model Y. We carried 5 people with luggage the entire trip. 8. We need more/higher speed chargers in the middle of the country. My longest stretch was between Gillette and Wheatland in Wyoming (180 miles) - I left at 95% and arrived with 14% - averaging 80+ mph - I may have passed a truck at 110mph going up hill. 9. Instant torque is an awesome superpower - and it more useful than off-the-line drag racing. 10. Replacing the full set of tires cost me $1300 at Discount Tire in Colorado Springs (same tires as stock). I had 22k miles on my original set. 11. Autopilot and even adaptive cruise have phantom breaking issues at high speed (above 80mph). I had less issues at lower speeds. Apparently South Dakota roads and Autopilot don't mix well, go figure. 12. Sometimes charging is too fast - I had to move my vehicle a few times while trying to eat a meal (dine-in). 13. Superchargers are not always directly off the interstate - especially in them middle of the country. The furthest I had to drive was about 2-3 miles off my main route. 14. Home charging is key to using EVs. We stayed an a VRBO rental that did not have charging available, so I would have to stop and charge a few times while in Colorado Springs. 15. Tesla needs to add an option to customize/tweak tow mode to provide better estimates. For part of the trip, we used a hitch-mounted cargo carrier for part of the trip and the estimates were way off (too conservative while in tow mode and too aggressive with it turned off). Overall, I have no problems road tripping in my Tesla Model Y - but I also understand the quirks/limitations/issues of doing so and I'm ok with this (and so is my family). EVs are the perfect local errands/commuter cars but I think we are still in early adopter phase for road tripping. I'm hoping the rapid adoption of NACS as the charging standard will help with this.

[@khizarqureshi8840]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Could you please share more the tire part. How much do the other tires last. If they have warranty do they apply a discount towards the new tires? How to maximize tire life

[@Webcrawler45]

After owning an enjoying Tesla for over nine years now, I know it adds roughly about 1hr per 400 miles or 8hr of driving in a typical day over a similar trip in a ICE vehicle. I have done many cross country trips. My longest was a 7,500 mile trip from Atlanta to Yosemite and back. My nephew got a summer job as a park range there in 2014. Keep in mind the supercharger network at that time was barely completely across country. THe first day we drove about 900 miles (very long day)….Just no big deal anymore…

[@LafemmebearMusic]

8 additional hours? Nope, but thank u for being an early adopter, it will get better hopefully 😅

[@amusicthang]

@@LafemmebearMusiche meant it adds one hour to an 8 hour trip

[@legostud]

I didn’t experience much difference from Boston to DC and back in a M3 long range. Sounds like you may have an older Model S. What’s your max charge rate?

[@MrDW72]

@@legostud dont forget about randome traffic jam that add on more hours, then additional charge is a cherry on top. it adds up. Will be a lot better in 5-10 year

[@legostud]

@@MrDW72 - that traffic jam would’ve happened if I was in an EV or not and the charging happened while I was using the bathroom and eating food so no extra time added.

[@shawnp4840]

Thanks for the video. I feel like you did a good job of showing the state of long-distance driving in a Tesla. When I first bought our Tesla I had many of the concerns others had but like a lot of families we are a 2 car household. Over the 5 years I have found that not going to the gas station every week, not needing oil changes or going to the dealership has more than made up the extra time on long distance drives for us. It is a shame you couldn't find hotels with chargers as I find them extremely helpful. I look forward to more superchargers and more hotels with lvl 2 charging.

[@geraldkoth654]

Why on earth would anyone go to a dealer? I have had my truck for 14 years and went to a dealer only once when I bought it used to get a duplicate key. Not once since then.

[@kare9875]

​@@geraldkoth654warranty.

[@loading...7583]

when you buy a tesla you already paid up front all those oil changes and fuel. if you know how to do math youll realize that buying an EV sounds like a no brainer but down in the numbers is not a good deal

[@MakeAMark1755]

​@loading...7583 the model 3 is lower then the average priced vehicle upfront. So that argument is invalid.

[@loading...7583]

@@MakeAMark1755 the cost of a tesla model 3 is $41,880 dollars. how the hell is that average price when you can get a Toyota camry or even a corolla on the hight 20k and under 30k?? are you drunk?

[@-Enginerd]

At 1:05:51, you plugged in with a 66% charge. As Tommy said, you need to leverage the car's charging curve and stay at low SOCs. With that said, I completely agree the car's navigation system should have a shortest time, but frequent stop option like ABRP does so you don't have to figure it out yourself. It's a huge oversight.

[@gregpetrites4182]

I completely missed that the first time around. 66% is a reasonable SoC to leave a charger to continue to trip, but not for stopping to charge. The only time I'd plug in at the SoC is if I realy needed to use the restroom and there was a charger nearby. Or if I was driving across North Dakota where superchargers are rare and CCS nonexistent. I've never had tesla or abrp recommend plugging in while at 66%. That's just as crazy as strong for petrol while sitting at 3/4 tank. That's just....crazy.

[@hoffmantnt]

Rivian is really smart and they bought ABRP. ABRP is a fantastic app. Tesla rarely needs to look outside themselves to come up with the best ideas but it seems they have room for improvement in their route planning.

[@robertshunter]

​@@hoffmantnt I don't believe we should be blaming Tesla for Roman's failings.

[@MrKlawUK]

if you’re min-maxing a cannonball run, sure. But if you’re stopping anyway just plug in. Most of my longer trips I’ve stopped when conveninent and charged, trying not to let the car dictate that pace. Coincide stops with lunch/hotel stops and mid morning/afternoon breaks etc.

[@gregpetrites4182]

@@MrKlawUK sure, if you are stopping anyways and it's convenient to plug in, do it, even if it's at 66% of higher. But that's not what happened there as Roman was itching to get back on the road. Min-max isn't just for cannonballs. It's realy just good practices to follow anytime you are traveling long distances in am EV. Stop to charge when 10-20% (cannonballers will do even less). Stop charging somewhere north of 50-60% unless convenient to go higher. But never charge above 80-90% unless you are okay with waiting a long time. Cannonballers just take it to the extreme. If someone is unpracticed in EV road trips, following what the car says will get you from point A to B in a pretty decent time. If your want to enjoy the journey and feel comfortable managing your time, do your own thing. But Roman really was trying to cannonball (get home as quickly as possible) and wasn't doing a good job at it.

[@ddmarsh21]

I got a Tesla three months ago and I’m already convinced that I will never go back.

[@dingdong6005]

Yo .. how you liking your Tesla ??? 😂😂❤

[@ddmarsh21]

Still loving it! Best car I ever owned!

[@instantchiro85]

Same experience here. I have solar so no gas bill again. I cringe everytime my son needs gas in his car

[@adambartlett2780]

I think what I’ve learned from this video is that while cross country travel is possible and more convenient than in recent years, it’s still a bit of a pain because you have to make considerations you just don’t have to make in an ICE car/truck. I still think the ideal electric car experience at the moment is if you can charge at home and your family owns another (ICE) car for longer trips. I have a Pathfinder with a V6 that I’m very happy with but would consider an EV to replace our CX-5 that my wife commutes in when the time comes.

[@raven4k998]

show's how many people love white cars🤣

[@thomasbihn]

It also depends on you bladder capacity haha. I get uncomfortable if I go more than two hours between bathroom breaks and to plug in, walk to the bathroom and come back out and go makes road tripping a complete nonfactor. If I ever buy a gas car again though, I'm definitely looking for it to have a lane centering feature because it makes driving long distance less fatiguing somehow. I don't know why, but I have a lot more energy after driving three or more hours in my Tesla 3 compared to my Mom's Rogue, which is a great car in its own right.

[@Agg1E91]

I think the main issue in the short (maybe 2024-2028 or so) run will be a pretty steep increase in EV sales and EVs which can drive in that 260-300 mile per "tank" range. The resulting demand for road based charges will be greater than the supply. Especially with Tesla opening up the Supers "For All". Yes, there will be places to super charge, but an increasing likelihood of a 15-20 min wait to charge, and THEN the 15-20 wait while charging. It will just be a little less convenient for awhile, until someone other than Tesla can start adding a large number of reliable 200+ KW chargers that all current EVs will be able to use.

[@raven4k998]

@@Agg1E91 if you think supper chargers will be saturated think about regular ccs chargers which are fewer then the supper chargers in density already those thing will be at maximum capacity and still have a line up behind those people🤣🤣🤣

[@Agg1E91]

@@raven4k998 Yep. Guaranteed short term pain, public recharge-wise. Will there be longer term gain, as both the end-user and backend supplies ramp up? I suppose we’ll know in 4-5 years.

[@AClosedMind]

I have done many cross country trips in various Model 3s and Model Ys over the years. Its a different kind of road tripping. As many have pointed out, its different than a balls-to-the-wall blast with only splash and dash stops. For the experienced and educated long haul EV driver, none of this is new or unexpected. When you plan for an EV trip, you do it differently and it makes life much easier. Roman's experience is, whether intentional or not, indicative of a lot of novice EV drivers despite his broad automotive knowledge and experience. And, frankly, his experience is likely even more spot on for the older generation just stepping into EVs for the first time. Out of Spec Dave has a much different perspective but he's much more focused on and experienced with pur EVs. I'm not meaning this in any insulting way, but for those of us who are 30+, this is the experience our parents would have on an EV road trip with all the same fears and frustrations. I'm not sure that was the intent of this video but it definitely painted an accurate picture for that experience for specific groups of people.

[@TedKidd]

Roman is a fairly narrow thinker.

[@melvinholland9656]

Your first paragraph is spot on. I'm 76, own two EVs and find Roman's comments sad. Road trips do take a different mindset as you stated but it's easy with just a bit of planning. Some just adapt slower.

[@perpelle]

Because people don't want to plan where to fill up in order to get somewhere? Are the chargers working? Several apps to compare. Several apps in order to charge. Not enough chargers out there. Takes a long time to charge. That's something you never ever have to think about in an ICE. And noone is forcing you to drive balls to the walls in an ICE either.

[@AClosedMind]

@@perpelle Not debating ICE vs EV. Simply pointing out the differences. People tend to get very emotionally involved in that argument. I couldn't care less what people choose to drive or how they do their road trips

[@kennordsfan1494]

@@TedKidd How is that?? This proves his point that there are 2 different groups that say one idea is better than the other. We can tell what side you are on lol. The other point theat needs addressing is how electric cars are going to pay their share of roads taxes? This is coming and you will see sharing be close to gas with the collection of road tax included. Just like death and taxes governments always find a way to get their hands on new forms of taxes.

[@AlexisUrena]

Cool that you filmed this ride and kept your personal frustrations in. But this also proves that education is key. You definitely overthought the whole charging and preconditioning thing. The car will precondition when you navigate to any SC station. So you could have gone to bed and navigated to a SC and the car will pre condition again. Also the car has a pretty beefy buffer (between 3 and 5%) so arriving at a station with 0% is really not a big deal at all. Last note is about FSD/Autopilot. Autopilot is great on road trips, FSD beta on the other hand is next level on road trips. Latest version is pretty spectacular! Drove 600 miles and only actually did anything for maybe 10 miles out of the whole trip.

[@1519Spring]

Great points!

[@kencotton4645]

I just took a trip from SC to Disney in Fl in a rented Tesla model Y. We stopped at all the recommended charging locations and charged to 80-90% each time. We spent a total of $46 for charging costs. We would never have been able to drive that distance in a gas car for the same money.

[@nicholastheriault1857]

I know you guys don’t typically get into politics, which is great, but I love that you touched on the fact that these cars have become so politicized. I’ve struggled with this a great deal with my own siblings. I’ve had to explain multiple times that I’m allowed to be into electric vehicles, purely out of admiration for the technology and it doesn’t have to be about anything else and guess what? My daily driver is a diesel, F450!

[@nevco8774]

In politics the message is wrong: using domestic electricity or even some bought from Canada is a security providing issue vs using gasoline which might be sourced from hostile regimes to the USA like Russia, Saudi Arabia or Venezuela. Nobody is prohibiting use of oil since oil is absolutely needed to build homes, car parts, making shoes, clothes, medications, appliances, phones and computers. Besides using less oil in cars saves it to be used as jet fuel allowing the price of air tickets not to skyrocket when one has to fly instead of driving. People promoting oil drilling have to realize that oil rich places are left at the bottom of the ocean explaining why the price of fuel becomes more expensive with time since it is increasingly more difficult to get it.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Same party that claims they invented the internet wants to take credit for EV's It's why Musk doesn't get invited to the White House but Ford and GM and a few other MFGs do.

[@1970351C2V]

Just yesterday I was debating the use cases for the Godzilla vs. Powerstroke for the F250. Someone overheard us and quipped " I'm guessing it's safe to say you two are the last people on earth who will buy an EV." There's a Mach-E GT sitting in my driveway. :) It really sucks that EV's have become so politicized. To be fair, I can understand why someone in the midwest driving a 20yo truck would be upset about subsidizing a yuppie's $75k SUV with his tax dollars.

[@aussie2uGA]

True, it used to be tree huggers vs performance junkies - one yelled "buy it to save the planet" while the other said "damn, 1100hp and instant torque!". Now it's turning into "Did you see Elon's tweet?"

[@xiaoka]

@@nevco8774 spot on. ICE cars = bring beholden to the global oil market. Meaning Russia, Saudis, etc can all screw us all. Unfortunately these people also don’t understand what “energy independence” actually means.

[@TheAdventureAuto]

Would be nice if Tesla let you customize the nav settings where you could allow arrive SOC to be as low as 5%, and a max SOC of 60%. Charging stops would be much quicker and it would be nice if you could rely on the system to calculate your stops based on your personal preferences. I stop when at 5% and can add about 120 miles in 10 minutes.

[@daviidfm923]

This 100 percent. When I roadtrip my tesla I use like to plan my own stops rather then listen to the Nav. I have cut off hours on road trips because of it. Tesla likes to plan for you to arrive higher then 20 percent because its better for the battery.

[@Carguytct]

It all depends on where you're going and where the chargers are.

[@marcjampolsky5280]

​@@daviidfm923 it's also better to have battery in reserve for safety....

[@yolanda4731]

I wish Tesla allowed settings - maybe 3 - for how comfortable you are arriving on low SOC at next SC. 1 for 10-20% arrival - cautious, newbie setting - 2 for average - and 3 for 3-5% arrival - name this setting the Kyle. For out of spec 😊

[@bleeder228]

Essentially you are stopping to charge every 90 minutes then. The actual charge time isn't all there is to stopping to charge. The extra time it takes to drive to the charger and drive back to the highway is something to consider as well. It's exactly the same thing with a gas or diesel vehicle. The more stops you have to make, the more time you lose. I wonder if you are saving the amount of time that you think you are saving.

[@carperdiem8754]

You don’t need a phone to supercharge. All the info is on the screen of the car. Why would the stall need a screen?

[@Jeddin]

If your hand position allows, you can roll either scroll wheel instead of torquing the wheel to pass the auto pilot attention check.

[@gbw28]

Good to know, thanks.

[@johnhanson6039]

It doesnt much matter electric vs gas, I need to stop every 2-3 hours anyway and typically take 25-35 mins, as i hate ot eat while drivinb, and it isnt safe anyway . I usually do 600-700 miles a day now, but in my 30s would have done the 1000 miles a day, but arrived exhausted and reallty wannt safe anyway

[@BillB33525]

We are seniors now and can't wait to get out of the car every 150-200 miles. Most cars charge so slow after 80% it doesn't make sense to do a 100% charge.

[@1519Spring]

Watching this video it was clear Roman was fatigue-impaired by the end of each marathon driving day (like saying at 1:13:30 Hays Alaska when he meant Kansas).

[@daguzify]

Depends on the person. EV everyday and hybrid for road-trips for me. I don’t stop ever 2 or 3 hours…… I drive 18+ hours to Orlando and stop for Gas and already have food with me.

[@ari_young]

I’ve made 3 cross country drives in an ICE vehicle and planned my route and stops in advance (is that weird). I also recently drove from Broomfield, CO to Atlanta, GA and it took 4 days. I just can’t spend more than 7 hours in a car. I make frequent stops for food and bathroom breaks and will stop for any interesting sights so I guess this drive wouldn’t be much different for me in an EV.

[@freedomisnotnegotiable]

Stopping for food every 2-3 hours is pretty expensive and unhealthy

[@spartanchirho]

For a daily driver to work and home i think electric is great. The one think I would like about road tripping is the quiet. Sometimes I feel like all the noise of prolonged driving wears me out. As far as the app not working I have to cut off my VPN Sometimes for my apps to recalibrate and or restart my phone

[@eandrae]

This channel never falls, in highlighting situations that affect .08% of the driving population.

[@travisp11]

I don’t want to make my comment into a gun rights discussion but one of the reasons why I have a concealed carry permit is so I don’t have to live in fear while charging my vehicle in isolated locations with sketchy people/vehicles nearby.

[@brendykes1202]

You referenced having to do everything through an app on your phone to charge a Tesla. You don’t. Once it’s set up, you only need to plug in. You can leave your phone at home and monitor on your screen in the car

[@BillB33525]

A Better Route Planner is a good way to study and plan a long road trip.

[@caseyk2366]

Yeah with ABRP you can tell it how much SOC you want to have when you arrive and it is easy to note chargers you don't want to go to.

[@alfazulu6515]

You must be a good student, mate. A teacher’s pet, perhaps? Study well, mate

[@mluu510]

It's not really necessary. I roadtrip from SF to Houston 2x already. Just hop in the car and follow the navi

[@vxnova1]

To be honest this is the worst case for any ev, Typically driving less than 200 miles per day you never need to visit a super charger, But some good points being raised here, there needs to be way more super chargers, and destination chargers for overnight charging,

[@Jeddin]

No excuse for the hotels not to add level 2 charges. cost them around $1000 for the hook up should just be a cost of doing business. Perhaps customers should leave feedback with the hotel staff when leaving instead of just complaining to a camera or each other

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@Jeddin Here in Europe i select the Hotel and vacation destinations whether they let me charge my cars.

[@daviidfm923]

@@Jeddin Me personally don't agree. I think if we just added more dc fast chargers it would solve this problem. I don't think a Hotel should be required to pay for electricity. Now if they are installing lets say charge point stations that allow them to charge money then I would agree.

[@Jeddin]

@@daviidfm923 but it doesn’t have to be free electricity. Plenty of hotels already charge for parking. If they want to charge $20 to park in the EV charger space then I’m ok with that and other customers who have EV can consider it for themselves and make the decision.

[@laloajuria4678]

your guys presentation of evs has improving dramatically. still remember tommy called 6kw lvl 2 fast.....

[@jeffreyjoseph559]

Charger hoping is the way to go, just charge long enough to get to the next 250 kw supercharger. You should only deep charge if you are about to face crazy headwinds or elevation.

[@cazu2479]

Exactly

[@kevinw7319]

Isn’t there a way to set Tesla to charge from say 10% to 70% ? And it plans your stops around those parameters?

[@mariomarez2223]

Definitely a conservative here. But, I’m also big into tech (digital investigator) and understand that you can actually make your own energy off grid at your home and have an indefinite amount of energy as long as the sun shines. That is incredibly self sufficient that you cannot do with gas vehicle locally and crazy to ignore. I own a Bronco Badlands and an F-150 Lightning with a camper on it.

[@joshuarosen465]

I plan my trips which I do every weekend. I put all of my stops, including Supercharger stops, into Google Calendar which is automatically synced to the car via the Tesla app. I pick my Supercharger stops based on their amenities or convenience. Usually we do 15 minute stops which is the time it takes us to go to the bathroom. The exception is if we want to have lunch, in that case we will pick the stop based on food choices. For example there is a Supercharger in Tilton NH that has an excellent Thai restaurant, we call ahead and order takeout and when we get there we plug in, get the takeout and eat our lunch. Eating takes longer than a full charge. Another example is our Maine trips. There are a couple of excellent Dim Sum restaurants in Portland that are about a mile from the Supercharger. We order takeout, pick it up, go to the Supercharger and eat and then use the bathroom in the supermarket. Last Saturday I ended up charging to almost 100%, which is a bad idea, but we had a lot of food and I didn't want to get out of the car to unplug and I didn't need to because the Supercharger was mostly empty.

[@TFLEV]

That’s so cool but most people are not you 😉

[@joshuarosen465]

@@TFLEV That's where we are right now. There are enough Superchargers to get you where you want to go but not enough to do it without thinking about it. Tesla's in car routing is good enough to get you there reliably but it's priorities aren't your priorities, they are Tesla's. The biggest failing of Tesla's navigation is it's lack of options. It loves highways, I hate highways and love rural roads. You can't tell Tesla's nav to avoid highways the way you can with Google maps. Tesla's charge planner prefers fewer stops, ABRP gives you a slide bar which allows you to pick fewer stops with longer charging vs more stops with shorter charging. The workaround is to plan your trip and put it into Google Calendar and then select your destinations from the cars event screen, Teslas automatically select the next event on your calendar as your destination. If it doesn't, because it doesn't think you need to leave yet, you can select the destination from the events screen. In the future when there are ten times as many charging locations then we have today you'll be able to roadtrip without having to think about it but for the near term roadtrips are much more pleasurable and much less stressful if you plan. Google reviews and ABRP are your friends.

[@bwilson4web]

@@TFLEV EV driving is different and means learning new skills.

[@rubbinsracin6953]

Sure is nice to hop in my vehicle and go and even add 400 miles of range in less than 5 min. The best part? I don’t have to think about it lol

[@aussie2uGA]

I think they call this method of preplanning "retirement?"

[@arecibo1974]

Thank you for letting us know about your experience and frustrations. I don’t mind seeing you rant because it shows how you feel about it, is a reality that everyone will go through in a road trip on this kind of mileage ! Good to see what’s involved in this situation. The 1,000 mile Aptera is looking great for this type of adventure .

[@raywalker4656]

@arecibo1974 the Aptera is hardly a family vehicle, and while an interesting idea, I would not want to be involved in an accident in one with a conventional vehicle, and certainly not a tesla!

[@jimmyl2595]

As I can see on this great video or many others EV videos, finding a SAFE location chargers can be a problem late at night. The costs of snacking and hotels stay can be expensive. Again, life safety is rather important on my list.

[@zildj1519]

Normally love the TFL videos from all the presenters. This isn’t the best effort. Road tripping with a Tesla isn’t perfect but it’s not nearly as awful as Roman makes it out to be either. He was too grumpy, at least for the first half. It ain’t that hard. And finding a hotel with a destination charger in Nashville? C’mon man…. They’re out there. Doing 1200 miles in a gas car is a massive day. It’s nearly impossible in an EV. So I think expectations need to be changed slightly. Just my $.02

[@mcrkon]

Exactly. Roman got more grumpy and whiney as he got more tired. I assume most people don’t do road trips for the sake of road trip or EV charging. Personally, I only stay at hotels that offer EV charging.

[@andrewt9204]

I live in MN and have taken my Model 3 LR to Yellowstone, Lake of the Ozarks, Chicago, Sturgis, and next week to Kentucky. It was really no problem. I was marginally slower in terms of travel time compared to gas vehicles. Every time I stopped to charge, other people travelling with me needed to stop anyway and I was done or near done charging by the time everyone used the bathroom, food, etc. Plus when I was tired, being forced to stop every ~2.5 hrs kept me awake. The middle of Wyoming was a bit rough, I had to slow charge for an hour to get to Jackson, but it was a nice stop so I wasn't really bothered. My alternative was to go all the way around on the freeway that was 2 hours longer. So charging that hour saved me an hour total. I've found supercharging cost is also close to ~$2.50/gal in terms of cost/mile. It's fine for road trips.

[@cgamiga]

Great education video & good tips! re altering charge stop plans, eg @8:56 : you CAN tap a supercharger , and "add stop" to the route... or Edit route, and add stop (then find charger)... this should update the planner. Or, as noted, you can just keep driving :) and do your own thing, and it will auto-replan. Agreed unsure why it sends you to slower 150kw V2 chargers (especially if they are full and you split to 72kw), vs nearby V3... sometimes those are more full... sometimes deep / long charges are good, eg when you are eating... normally food stops are closer to 45mins at least anyway, 20mins is barely enough time to grab something plus potty break, let alone eat it...

[@valueofnothing2487]

Another thing they don't tell you about the Tesla is you have to spend $20 a month after 8 years if you want an internet connection for the car. And I think if you have a long commute you would also want to spend a $20 now so you can get traffic on The navigation map. Although traffic doesn't waste your battery like on a regular car, It's still something you might want to consider when you're running out of power and looking for a station.

[@raywalker4656]

@valueofnothing2487 I guess I'm fortunate, I get internet through my phone so I don't need additional internet service for navigation as my navigation system will connect to me phone.

[@valueofnothing2487]

@@raywalker4656 The car can use your phone as a hotspot? Good to know.

[@Bluelightning23]

I think people have to be a little more patient because this electric revolution is basically just started. And also as far as charger stations being in weird places, It's my guess that some locations, some business owners may not have wanted those there for some reason or another. Maybe you could talk to someone at tesla and find out why they're put where they are and then there would be a better understanding of what's going on here instead of just criticizing the whole system. And you can use the right button to follow closer to the car in front of you.

[@777Outrigger]

Don't be afraid of a hard reset in a Tesla. I've done 2 because the screen locked up. It took about 30 seconds and everything was fine after that.

[@LoganJonesJ]

Yeah this was kinda weird. Tommy should've just told him to "reboot the screen" instead of describing it as resetting the car. Know your audience and all lol

[@john.advrider3536]

You could have skipped Marietta GA and went to Acworth for a better charger. Same for Monteagle as Kimball was 20 miles further north with a faster charger and hotels, but best of all, a Cracker Barrel for breakfast! Just drove my Y from north Atlanta to Nashville so experience of where the best chargers are and other accommodations is something that gets refined the more you do it or take a few minutes to research.

[@1519Spring]

Good points. Many road trips (especially moderate distance ones) are repeated, and one learns where to stop along the way, where the police hide, where and when traffic is bad, etc. Knowledge is power!

[@synergydpm]

Compare energy and other costs: Tommy, doing the math with my Tesla Model 3 experience: For the past 29,901 miles I’ve used a total of 7,830 kWh of energy, or averaged 262 Wh/mile. Using $0.43 ave Supercharger cost per kWh that’s $0.1126 per mile. Compare to gas where the US National average today for regular is $3.65 (down 25.6% from last year) you would need to get a trip average of 32.43 miles per gallon of gas to break even. My Tesla Model 3 has actually averaged 129 MPGe (Miles per gallon equivalent) over the past 29,901 miles (using the standard 33.7 kWh of energy in a gallon of gas). Over the 61,628 miles I have driven my ONLY maintenance costs have been one new set of tires, windshield wipers, washer fluid, and car washes. I recently did a battery health check and degradation is 11%. Of that 11%, approximately 10% of it happened in the first 20k miles. This is consistent with what I’ve read on line from other Tesla owners. That’s in line with a projected / reported 30% degradation over 300k miles. We’ll see…

[@gridjac]

I appreciate the honest take. Personally, I wouldn’t road trip an ICE or an EV for longer than about an 8-9 hour drive. I’m just at an age where it holds zero interest for me. I’d rather fly if I have long distances to cover. For my use, just an around town vehicle with a very occasional 8 hour drive thrown in, an EV works great.

[@michaeltester6174]

You’d be better off unplugging at a lower soc and ride the curve to maximize higher charging speeds at lower soc.

[@mikefarrington7141]

Realistically though, anyone traveling half way across the US is doing it for the experiences along the way. Stopping at sites; taking their time. If you weren't fetching a car, you'd have flown.

[@skiingfast1]

He summed it up perfectly. Stopping 30 minutes for every 2 hours driving, is why you don't do long trips in EVs.

[@LamarMK]

Just took delivery of my 2023 Model Y recently and noticed the weird bug with the app “Last Seen” not updating. To fix it, I just did a reset by holding the 2 scroll wheels down on the steering wheel until the screen goes black then let it go, once it boots back up the app started working and updating. 👍💪

[@Robert-pm6bm]

Your charging times are way too long. Just went NC to Vegas and back, 8k miles. Only had one 30 min charge (from OKC to Arkansas). This was in a LFP with slower charging and shorter range. Your experience is a good example of level novice for tesla road tripping.

[@kingofrivia1248]

Yeahhhh nah i will gladly take these realistic times here. Life doesnt always go like planned.

[@HeyItsAvi90]

What do you mean one 30 min charge? how long do you charge on diff chargers?

[@Robert-pm6bm]

@@HeyItsAvi90 my charging stops are usually 10-15 mins. That stretch I mentioned is an anomaly

[@HeyItsAvi90]

@@Robert-pm6bm oh ok, bc i wasnt sure if i go on a long road trip if its better to charge at longer distance from 20% charge till 80% or do multiple stops of 15 min charges.

[@Robert-pm6bm]

@@HeyItsAvi90 there are so many Tesla superchargers now, you can choose what fits you best. Charger shorter but more often, or charge longer less often. Only a few areas in the country that require longer charges to stretch the distance.

[@familyofsix379]

I have driven my Tesla MYLR all the way from Jalisco,México-Texas-Los Ángeles and Jalisco-Texas-Vail,Co and in 1 month I’ll be doin Jalisco-Texas-Denver-Seattle-Vancouver, all of them a complete dream In charge stops and reliability of the MY! I have recorded all of them on my YT page! Greetings from Mexico!

[@Turbo6019]

At first I was thiunking the same saying that the charging suck but after experieding it for a few times I actually grew to appreciate it. With the Gas car I feel obligated to go from A to B non-stop so I would get tired putting myself and others at risk....I know I am not alone on that but the Tesla is like a passenger whom has to go to the rest room every few hours forcing you to step out of your car to streatch, rest, take a breather for a bit and I find that after arriving at the destination I am more relaxed compared to high on caffeine so its quite nice IMO. Yes it does add additonal time to your travels but its a relaxing travel, less stress and more importantly you are more alert given you are not stress from feeling rushed.

[@pault7977]

TFL Hey Roman, I know EV's initially cost more than a comparable ICE car which should be a factor in total cost of ownership, but it would be really useful and informative to know what the true cost difference is on a trip like this? Hotels, food, charging and time for the journey. I've driven from Minnesota to Tennessee (just over 1100 miles) and I've done it with one gas stop in central Illinois (my X5 diesel has a range of 600 miles on interstate drives) and we can do it in 17 - 17.5 hours door to door. No hotels. No waiting around. Will you be following this up with a video on actual cost of road-griping an EV?

[@davemiller6121]

How many people actually do this??? I drove from southern Ontario, Canada, to Florida twice in my life. I am sure there are some people that Road trip frequently but how far and how often are these trips?

[@Charlesbjtown]

Truth is, most don't road trip. I feel like most that do road trips, are those who have evs...... and they only do it, for the novelty of charging/refueling. I own an ID4 and bolt, and tbh, the only reason we plan to do a road trip here soon is, the free charging. If it weren't for that, we'd be on a plane.

[@mowcowbell]

Because driving around town and charging at home with an EV would make for a boring video and fewer views.

[@ERIKM-ed9ef]

@@Charlesbjtown This is true. The whole "road trip" scenario is a Troll Scenario. Normal people don't waste 3-5 vacation days driving. They fly. If it's really a road trip then the pace is leisurely and you're stopping to look at attractions along the way. Time doesn't matter.

[@Testlabro]

I understand the experiment. I drive a model 3 long range and i do 120 miles a day. Its amazing and wayyyy cheaper charging at home even compared to my 2019 honda insight in gas. When it comes to road tripping and all the people who try to bash evs about charging time tbh id just rent a gas car if i really wanted to do a long road trip. Hell tbh before evs were even hot people were still renting cars for road trips to avoid driving their own vehicles.

[@corpuzone]

I like renting cars because I like cars in general lol. I’m looking forward to a new model y but wouldn’t have a house to charge. Just going to charge at Tesla stations ⚡️

[@synergydpm]

Tip: When navigating to a destination touch the 3 dots (…), menu, at the bottom of the Tesla screen and choose the “energy graph” icon. You will get aa extremely accurate graphical representation of your energy usage to your destination. It now shows (recent software update) an analysis of how the energy is being used and predicted energy level at the planned destination. Once a message appeared for me stating a ‘tail wind’ had extended my range. Pretty useful and cool.

[@JermEV]

Great initial point. I will say after taken many road trips including a 1500 mile one, you sometimes do just need to leave the station for another one. Get below 150 kw spore, move on. You typically charge 15 mins drive 1.5-2 hrs then another 15 mins. Easy peasy.

[@reggievonramstein]

His own kid told him to do that, but grampa’s too stubborn.

[@haraldweltzin5117]

As a second car for someone who has a garage with 230 v 50 amp power the electric makes a lot of sense for commuting and grocery getting, however, until electric cars get standardized and chargers get standardized, I don't think the electric is ideal for someone who lives in an apartment or for long distant travel.

[@thedopplereffect00]

Very few people will need a 50A outlet. 20-30 amps should be sufficient. I get 60 miles a night just on a 120V outlet.

[@thiswillnotendwell4402]

Ok, I have a M3 Long Range. I just drove over 3,100 miles starting from San Diego, stopping through Denver Colorado, and then all the way to Jacksonville Florida. I don't agree with what is said in this video. When I charged I always charged for longer than what it wanted me to and many of the times I spent the extra time eating and charging back up to 90-95%. This saved me a few times by letting me drive longer and the system was able to have me drive further to a less busy supercharger rather than waiting during peak times in some of the cities I stopped in. Also, if you are driving at 70 mph or above, you will not get good efficiency and your range will be worse. We can't change physics people. So charging a little longer will help account for the fact that most of us drive above 70 mph. Another thing, stop treating road trips in a Tesla the same as you would a gas car. Take advantage of the charging stops and enjoy the break. It's not good to power through hours and hours of continuous driving. If you want to take a trip fast, just fly. Lastly, there's a buffer beyond 0 but I never got below 10% during my entire 3,100 mile trip. If you run out of battery that is on you. Stop blaming the car... unless it's not a Tesla. In that case it's still your fault for buying a subpar EV. Safe travels!

[@davva360]

Wondering if Roman understood Tommy’s points about short sprints to maximize charging speed as opposed to charging deep.

[@geraldkoth654]

So stopping twice for 15 minutes is more time effective than stopping once for 30 minutes. Like people bragging about a huge IRS refund. DOH

[@davva360]

@@geraldkoth654 I really don’t understand your comment to be honest as you seem to be mocking me or something, but yes. The cars charge at 250KW between 10% and like 45% or so,. If you keep your charging between those two limits you get more energy on board in the same 30 minutes. So for example if you stop for 15 minutes twice at 10% you will probably get to 60% of charge. If you stop for 30 minutes you don’t get to 110% of charge, you would only get to maybe 80% of charge because the charging rate slows down the higher you go. So yeah I don’t even own an EV yet but I have watched enough videos of people road tripping them to know the best tactics.

[@daves1646]

Lesson taken. Level 2 charging at overnight stops has GOT to be planned IN ADVANCE or way less likely to happen. Therefore ya GOT TO plan the route in detail to get it to work out ‘well’ when EV road tripping.

[@thedopplereffect00]

I was really surprised he didn't find a hotel with EV charging to start the next day at 100%. Seems like he's imposing a bunch of arbitrary rules on himself

[@daves1646]

@@thedopplereffect00 It’s strange. When I got my first EV, it seemed like Level 2 was popping up at a LOT of hotels along major travel corridors. The last two times I’ve travelled, even along the NY State Thruway, it’s a lot harder to find Level 2 without going the very top-price/tiered hotel chains. Planning seems to be the remedy until enough EVs are on the road and hotels re-learn it’s an amenity in-demand and worth having.

[@thedopplereffect00]

@@daves1646 I found one hotel that charged $10/hr to charge at it. That's right, per hour. For level 2. Pretty insulting.

[@felixklusener5530]

What a cool trip. Thank you for sharing that with us. You are 100 % right. Driving an EV is not in all cases better or worse, it´s just different. I used to drive a Diesel powered station wagon here in Germany for 9 years after I got my license in 2011. With that car I ripped through the country at up to 200 km/h (about 120 mph) and did not stop on 800 km (500 mi) trips at all. Yes, that was the faster way to get from A to B, but it was kind of exhausting too. I have a Model 3 since 2020 now and adopted a different driving style and a different view at the time I spend on the road. I feel way less exhausted after longer trips now and appreciate that higher quality of the time at the destination way more than before. Another bonus is that you can do things with an EV that you can´t do, or can´t do with the same level of comfort, in a gas car. I was on a trip to Scandinavia last winter for example and enjoyed that I was able to just stop anywhere I wanted when I was tired. I had a mattress in the trunk that I just unfolded while the camping mode kept me warm even below -10 F. Another thing was that people with Diesel cars had to idle their engines everywhere (supermarkets, restaurants, tourist attractions, etc.) to avoid that the engine freezes in the extreme cold and can´t be started again. I was just doing my thing without any worries that my car gets stolen or runs out or whatever and fired up the heater just 5 min. before returning to the car trough the app. That was a great trip with 6500 km (over 4000 mi) covered in 14 days and everything went nice and smooth. Not to mention that it was way cheaper in an EV with Diesel offered for around 20 NOK/l (7.80 USD/gal.) at that time and electricity was just 1.6 NOK per kWh (0.16 USD). There were other bonuses too (free parking, less toll for EVs, cheaper ferries). All that together reduced my total for the trip by more than 70 % compared to my old Diesel. So all in all I am happy with my Tesla and would not want the Diesel back. Yes, there is this one minus that you can´t just fill up the tank and go for it as fast as possible, but the advantages outweigh the disadvantages for me.

[@yayinternets]

Cost of charging also depends on what you are comparing to. For instance, my current daily driver is built for offroading and gets 13 MPG. Lately for long road trips I have been renting Model Ys because it's way cheaper for "fuel" and saves wear and tear of boring travel on my off-road rigs which needs a lot of attention to keep the various suspension and steering bits in good shape. My last trip was around 2000 miles.. would have been around $650 in gas, but charging was more around $300.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

How much was the rental?

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Our first road tripper, we went 2000miles with a 2019 Kia Soul EV, even with the many charge stops we enjoyed the quiet and somewhat powerfully EV with lots of interesting stops mind you those were through the Canadian West mountains, which are spectacular, thought my enjoyed it and now own a Tesla Model Y long Range AWD our forth EV for road tripping. The 2023 Ioniq 5 was our last one, but it had a Fast DC charger issue and could not use DC chargers, took 7 months to repair and during that time the only coast to coast DC charging network along the Trans Canada highway gave up on their current DC charger equipment due to very poor reliability and will likly take 2 years to fix, replace the chargers, so impossible to drive reasonably across Canada in a none Tesla.

[@djand77]

I'm a strong conservative, but we own a Tesla car and stock in the company.

[@russm6759]

Hey neighbor! I am a long time dinosaur burner and still own a Gen 3 Raptor 37 and a built JKU Hard Rock. I recently accepted a new position that will necessitate significantly longer commutes from Palmer Lake up to the Fed Center. I just wanted to say how much I appreciated the non politically driven perspective of a "car guy". I recently sold my Gen 1 Raptor to make room for the new Model Y Performance that we have owned about 6 weeks now. As a motorsports guy and a consumer, I have ZERO regrets. The EV has a use case and I will capitalize on it. I really didn't expect to enjoy the Tesla as much as I do. I have been watching the TFL channels since right after we bought our 2014 Raptor and about 3 years before we moved to CO from the east coast. Keep up the great work!

[@johnc94]

I respect what you guys do but there's no chance in hell I would ever buy an electric vehicle my Toyota Corolla gets great gas mileage and to fill it with gas takes about 3 minutes and then you're back on the road I don't have hours to waste charging a car

[@melvinholland9656]

Great mileage doesn't beat free. With solar I charge two EVs for free. Basically no maintenance (wiper fluid), OTAs improve the vehicle for free and no dealer BS. Charging is done at home 85% of the time and it takes 10 seconds to plug and unplug, once a week. But I'm also not getting rid of my 26 year old Silverado for ranch work....just a beast.

[@admranger]

The realities of the charging infrastructure (or lack thereof). The lack of security at the charging sites (or at least the feeling of security) is a big turn off for people. How did the autopilot work in the rain storm?

[@JamesKirk1988]

8:15 Some of those prices are per min not per Kw. Most of the per minute prices actually cost significantly less in the end.

[@brutushobbies]

Now do it with a first gen leaf with its original battery pack

[@daviidfm923]

Then he won't even get out of the city he started in XD. The original Leaf battery tech is laughable. Sad the Volt got it better as a PHEV.

[@who2u333]

I just finished road tripping a Model Y in Wisconsin yesterday. I Supercharged 5 times in the week and found the wait at the chargers to be less of a hassle than I expected. I thought that I would be more bored while charging, but it seemed to go by much faster than anticipated. I can't say that I want a Tesla at this point because operating the car through the software, with Tesla's design and naming not following the auto industry's standards, had me pulling off the road multiple times to figure out how to operate a standard function (e.g. Cruise Control, which they renamed 'Autopilot'), or figure out if a function was even available. I like, and have become accustomed to, just getting into manufacturer X's car and figuring it out as I drive. Tesla made me pull over and check the internet. I found that annoying. But those seats are comfy.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Industry standard? What is the industry standard. As Fiat does it? Like Audi? Or maybe as Toyota does it?

[@daviidfm923]

I can tell you while it is weird at first you do get used to it. The UI is sooooo much better then it used to be as well and will likely only improve. While I do agree some things would be better the more traditional way but you get used to it and after a while you can do everything while driving. I think this is a normal thing when driving a new car.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@daviidfm923 I personally miss the Matrix LED headlight of European car makers. They are so much better than what Tesla offers. But thats not the GUI, its for safety. I can not say what i would make better in the GUI. I would like to try the yoke and when i have no stalks. I do no know whether i would like that or not.

[@johnthunter8107]

Electric cars give people another choice. Electric works for me, great, if it doesn't work for you, ok. Why has it turned into a holy war?

[@InternetDude]

Because the govt is forcing EVs!

[@kagazuki]

It's all about route planning. As far as comfort, I love riding in Tesla's chair for long hauls. It doesn't have the vibrations from the ICE engine and I find the autopilot removes the stress of continuously monitoring your speed and lane. Having said that, anyone driving 2k miles will be tired whatever vehicle you drive.

[@bwilson4web]

Thank you, I learned some tricks. I typically drive 700-750 miles in a 14 hour day. My trip tricks might help. Identify your charging motel before leaving for best rates. Getting a good night sleep while on a L2 charger improves cross country driving and saves money. Also, before going to the Supercharger, first stop at a 24x7 bathroom. You can stretch, eat a snack, or take a cat nap at the Supercharger. Longer meals like a lunch or dinner, use Plugshare to find a restaurant with free, L2 charging.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Starbucks good place to stop for the restroom. Some locations starting to get EV chargers.

[@Brian_P]

My 22 Honda Insight gets typically 48 mpg. Ill stick with that. Oh and i can buy like 3 insights for the price of a Tesla and change the oil for the life of the cars.

[@mikestory2272]

I wont debate this as to each their own but to me. I do not want every stop to be 30 minutes plus. Most of my stops when I road trip are 8 to 10 minutes, usually less.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

Me too. While the car is filling up I get out, stretch,, throw trash out, and go. 10 mins

[@kristianFL]

When you stopped in Land O Lakes, (actually Lutz) you were about 2 miles from my house. There's a lot to do where you stopped. That Wawa is right next to ElDorado furniture which has some really cool stuff. Plus, you're right across from a very busy outlet mall. There's also a ton of restaurants there. Even though Tommy said not to, you should have charged a lot more there because the next few stops going North have nothing. It's basically a slogfest until you get to Atlanta.

[@oisiaa]

From my experience driving my Tesla Model 3 (Long Range), trips of up to 500 miles/day are essentially the same exact time as a gasoline car assuming that you take normal bathroom and lunch stops. Beyond 500 miles/day it starts to add about 10 minutes/hour. For a 500 mile trip on a 300 mile EV, you only need to fast charge 200 miles which is about 15 minutes. Those 15 minutes are combined with normal bathroom breaks and therefore add no time.

[@XEONvE]

37:30 ... I have the same problem too... its actually not the app or the car.. its your phone! you have a old model phone where your BT is old.

[@mech-E]

As an ev owner I try to let people know that owning an ev isn’t a compromise, there are a lot of benefits. There is a lot of misinformation out there in ev’s. So I appreciate this video. Good job Roman

[@LafemmebearMusic]

For now it is a compromise it will get less so over time.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

As a previous ev owner I’m speaking from experience for over 2 years

[@deplorablechump8758]

I took a 800-mile round trip last summer and experienced a similar situation. Some Tesla Supercharger locations were in the back of a business and there was no bathroom. I had to walk to a nearby restaurant or gas station to do it. Overall, it was still a good trip.

[@MonsieurDumas]

If you must get from Point A to Point B, then get an Internal Combustion Engine (ICE). An electric car will take longer. That being said, if you like to have a relaxing drive or travel with kids, the electric car works well. Unless you ICE car is very efficient (45ish MPG or greater), the super chargers will be cheaper.

[@MatthewSerta1]

I’m currently road-tripping my tesla! We drove from North Carolina to St Louis, Colorado Springs, Las Vegas, Bakersfield, Salt Lake City, up to Montana, and am currently in Wyoming! Will be going to Minneapolis , then New York. So far it’s been going great!

[@briancobb3907]

About halfway between Atlanta and Chattanooga is Buc-ees. They have a supercharger. Any reason to stop at Buc-ees is a good reason.

[@gregc9220]

In my opinion I wonder if most people buy a Tesla because of its own charging network 🤔 now that Tesla is opening the charging network up to other manufacturers will it now upset current Tesla owners for having to wait for a charger because there is a Ford lightning taking up the last space available.

[@foellerd]

Ooof, plot twist, plug in hybrid. 😂 that’s gotta be so irritating for Tesla owners.

[@gregc9220]

@@foellerd wow yeah I didn't even think about that! 😂

[@wandring0spirit]

Having a single standard for the plug-in could a very good thing . Imagine if you had to find a GM gas station or Honda gas station to fill your ICE car because each model had a different gas tank socket! The GM/FORD decision to adapt NACS should encourage greater investment in charging capabilities.

[@robinsonmac]

They're not going to stop adding supercharger locations. And they don't have access to all the superchargers.

[@LaJuanHughes]

​@@robinsonmacI also think more people will buy Tesla's since they won't be limited. Even though others are adding the Tesla cord to charger doesn't mean they will still be reliable.

[@breyrey7612]

On your initial comments on if we are just talking cars...I would like to add that you have car that can drag race, offeoad, carry 7 ppl, safest car, comes with 100k+ warranty and can drive you wherever. For the other folks, it's always the "a treee inside the firrest" viewpoints.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

That pickup was creepy. I’d be curious to what they were doing though.

[@darmou]

You guys gotta get the keyfob, it works so much more reliably. Also get a hotel with destination charging. Much easier than wasting time charging late at night.

[@Bluelightning23]

My wife and I are conservatives. We drive a model 3A a model Y, and I'm currently waiting to buy a lightning, but I believe we should also be drilling for oil.

[@kevinweber5129]

Latest I heard is that the model Y from Austin charges very slow. Don’t understand why anyone would want to have to spend that time charging at almost the price of gas. Seems like traveling in gas car saves a lot of time.

[@philhyde983]

05:12 Great point about knowing your route and where you are stopping. Or where the navigation is wanting you to stop. Keep in mind that Tesla navigation is routing thousands of cars, so it's also doing calculations to keep you at a less crowded location. That 250kW station won't save you any time if you have to wait 20 minutes to charge.

[@myaccount__7269]

No it’s not. It’s just routing to what it thinks is the best and not taking into,account the charging speeds . Look on the video. None of them were busy. Stop buying into Tesla nonsense.

[@evatrics5902]

I have road tripped my Ioniq 5 round trip across North America twice. I’d rather push my Ioniq 5 than drive a gas car. The difference between you and me is that I’m not in a hurry. For me it’s about seeing America. If you’re in a hurry, take a plane.

[@MidnightSoulDevourer]

I concur!!

[@thedownwardmachine]

We’ve got a Model S for road tripping, we’ve done a bunch of them and it’s a dream. Across the wide expanses of the hot west it keeps us cool and really has no delays over ICE. Comfortable, fast, spacious, fun to drive and cheap to run. This past weekend we didn’t even pay for charging because there were free chargers everywhere we went, and we didn’t even try to do that. Awesome.

[@victormdp]

What would have been the aprox cost difference between the Tesla an the ICE you normally drive?

[@josephhobbs4754]

Roman choosing super charging stalls like dude choosing a urinal.

[@bellbrians]

It would be interesting to see the difference in time if you’d followed the in-car routing the whole trip. Trip Planner is *supposed* to plot the most time-efficient route using real-time conditions.

[@legostud]

I haven’t seen that to be the case. It seems like the trip planner is simply finding a charger as close to when you’ll hit the 10% battery charge.

[@legostud]

I’d like to see him use the better route planner app, which I think is way better.

[@jat3956]

I rented a Y for two days in TX. I found you could charge at a nearby Holiday Inn but it only had to charge stations and slow. It was more worthwhile to drive back into Dallas for the superstation. The time to drive back, charge, back track and get to my destination beat the charge time at the hotel. But to NOTE since TESLA has decided to open the network to other EVs, there will need be more station and more power output. Plus more people are going to be buying Teslas too! I l@@K forward to getting my LR 3 next week regardless of possible challenges ahead.

[@markmonroe7330]

I plan my road trips around fun things I want to see and do, usually rural places off the beaten path - not interesting places to get fuel. Ugh.

[@mycalltoadventure9712]

I just drove from Los Angeles to New York I’m back in my sprinter van. (Diesel) I do it a few times a year. Other than my stops being a little shorter I probably stopped as much as you did. I could go about 325 miles on a tank but rarely go that far in one shot without stopping. If I’m stopping for the bathroom etc I will usefully fill up. I use an app for the cheapest diesel prices and plan my stops just like you with superchargers. The prices could vary so much. In Pennsylvania for example it’s about $1.25 more per gallon. Anyway I don’t think I would mind the inconvenience of longer stops at all.

[@dmunro9076]

You can flick the left steering wheel scroll wheel to tell the AP nag that you have your hands on the wheel and you're paying attention.

[@johnbronco8678]

So, my recap: 1) Roman sets off on a road trip and doesn't remember to reset the trip meter, 2) Roman complains about the lack of superchargers, while finding plenty along his route (so many he is perplexed by the number of options), 3) Roman complains about the planner trying to make him charge above 80% while he has his system limit set at 100%, 4)Roman complains that driving/charging an EV is way different, and harder, than an ICE after formerly calling anyone who suggested such heresy a dinosaur who didn't want to protect the planet and embrace the future, 5) Roman argues with Tommy on the podcast when Tommy suggests EV networks are in the Model-T stages of development despite Roman using this same argument repeatedly in the past, 6) Roman whining about a well lit supercharger parking lot that was only 150Kw and had a car parked suspiciously in it and an evil pickup truck (right beside what looked to be a load of lumber) only to go to a Walmart parking lot with several cars parked in it to go all the way up to 173Kw, 7) and every charging station should have a playground and amusement park next door, just like Europe! Just a few of the highlights. Honestly, content with Roman is nearly unwatchable/listenable anymore, at least in my opinion. His ridiculous rant on the podcast about going into the gas station bathrooms WHILE the hose was in his car pumping gas was insane. I've never seen anyone do that and if Roman looked at pretty much ANY gas pump, he would see the warnings about remaining with the vehicle AT ALL TIMES while pumping flammable liquids into it. Regardless, this is such a common sense thing, my wife and I were shocked he was going on about that. More Tommy, Andre and some of the younger guys. Leave Roman, and Nathan to a large degree, in the office, please.

[@TFLEV]

Wow, Roman says you did more whining and complaining in this comment than he did traveling 2000 miles over three days. Perhaps you are the one who needs to stay at the office and leaving the commenting to the younger and less grumpy folk.

[@johnbronco8678]

@@TFLEV Wow, great retort from Roman. About what was expected. Any actual response to points raised?

[@stefanfleer6219]

volkswagen at least in europe has the road trip planner by company and or by kWh you prefer . at the moment at least the most advanced system after being updated .