Is sleep broken?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

fitting, considering what most of my viewers use me for! also, THE BIG SLEEP (1946)

[@DGFTardin]

Do you feel used?

[@TempestDacine]

Im sorry but the nightmares don't come when I fall asleep to your vids

[@justintsui2522]

Oh yeah! I counter with Insomnia (1997)

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

your sex appeal

[@iamabigfan6849]

me when i cant go to sleep at night

[@matheuscastello6554]

same

[@pumas222]

same

[@cboscan1]

Sleep = broken irl

[@dreenarmookington2240]

Maybe it's because there are enemies nearby

[@smob0]

Fall asleep in pokemon, be asleep max turns. Fall asleep irl, wake up on your next turn.

[@immagns]

Man I love smeargle as a design and as an idea, unfortunately every time I see smeargle in any format or generation it is committing domestic terrorism

[@DeckKnight]

Finally, Finchinator taking on the real threats of Amoonguss, Breloom, Smeargle, and Yawn variants of Torkoal and Clodsire.

[@biguzivertt]

it was benned because people are spamming sash darkrai and booster valiant with hypnosis. it’s broken because they’re both fast and powerful and can live one attack allowing them to get 2 hypnosis off

[@deeznoots6241]

@@biguziverttand the strategy only works because of the stupidly massive amount of setup sweepers in gen 9 ou that just try and win instantly

[@tylerbrown278]

@@deeznoots6241true. I have mixed feelings on the sleep ban but I can’t believe this is the only thing banned so far. Gen 9 OU has been torture

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

@@biguziverttthen ban darkrai and val

[@biguzivertt]

@@fulltimeslackerii8229 they are only ban worth because of hypnosis u can save the pokémon by banning the move

[@McCrackenVaughn]

Listening to BKC’s content is like spending the night at your grandmother’s house, as the TV passively plays old movies late into the night. You’ve perfected sleepcore without even trying.

[@aerochrome_glow]

Gen 7 and 8 also have top tier terrain setters that stop sleep from being overbearing

[@lordinfernape4753]

That Metagross Meteor Mash miss was so tragic💀

[@boop53]

remember when Sneasler was still in the tier and Dire Claw had a 16.67% chance to put you to sleep, 16.67% chance to poison (46.67% with poison touch) and 16.67% chance to paralyse you? why did we ever think that pokemon was balanced?

[@jmcbango]

Funny thing is, alot of sets didnt even run dire claw at the time of its ban

[@JamesJones-ts5fl]

I vehemently disagree with the ban, but I am sad that people went IRL with Finch. No one deserves that especially over a kid’s game.

[@booshywaters3726]

10:07 I did not need to witness such a traumatic event right before bed

[@OddMeterMusic]

I felt the same thing random internet stranger

[@tibeerius3656]

pain

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

In my book he still won. Like Joey vs Marik

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Relatable moment

[@guillemtb1671]

A bit of an off topic, but I wonder what would've happened if Pokémon Stadium never implemented the sleep clause. Maybe competitive players would've invented it independently. Maybe sleep moves would've been banned since a very early gen. Or maybe competitive Pokémon would've never taken flight because of how uncompetitive unrestricted sleep is AND the prevailing anti-ban sentiment of that time. It's hard to tell.

[@KingWafl]

I wish all sleep worked like rest did. 2 turns of sleep guaranteed. Would make it way more manageable.

[@jimtsap04]

Or if they want to keep a luck element at least keep only positive one of waking up a turn earlier, 3 turns of sleep can be gane winning

[@115Waffles]

M

[@henriquepacheco7473]

​@@jimtsap04 *laughs in gen 1 and 2 sleep*

[@jimtsap04]

@@henriquepacheco7473 at least they didn't need to be banned then...

[@prime3389]

the main justification for this is in VGC where spore is dominant and Amoongus rules over all, being able to perfectly know wake-up turns would be ridiculously good for spore spamming. I think 1-2 turns would be fine tho, 3 turn sleeps completely break the mechanic

[@xelementalsupreme9308]

I wish I had pokemon to spore me, so I can actually sleep early

[@sebastivnity]

you have bkc tho

[@sumthinorother9615]

I wonder how long 1-3 turns actually is. You can’t be asleep for more than a few seconds, right? Maybe each turn is actually an hour long; ~15 minutes to run in and deliver the command, ~30 minutes to prepare the attack, 15 minutes to use “water gun.” Actually, writing that down, I realize sleep turns only burn when you deliver a command. I guess spore sleep lasts forever unless someone is actively waking you up?

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

@@sumthinorother9615in the anime, jiglypuff’s sing seems to put you to sleep for about a naps worth of time.

[@nilanc1670]

that meteor mash miss was so painful to watch tbf lol

[@larseunic]

Any move that's not 100% accurate hits 50% of the time or less

[@OshawottLuke]

Your thumbnails are beautiful and I love them.

[@whomgod420]

The fact that people all agree Darkrai would be Uber with Dark Void, but say Darkrai is balanced with Hypnosis is hilarious to me. Yeah it's not as good as long as you're lucky xd, just pray it doesn't work!

[@shadowdraqon2479]

Its balanced assuming people dont want to use 60% accuracy moves which isnt hard to believe when people dont even want to use 80% accuracy moves(stone miss and hydro miss)

[@whomgod420]

@@shadowdraqon2479 Assuming people don't use it yeah, but if they do, then it's just 'Maybe this mon will be able to do disgusting gamebreaking things....maybe not. Who knows. At least it happens less often than it used to!'.

[@Saltyape0]

@@whomgod420you don’t have to assume lmao as someone who plays high ladder gen 9, hypnosis darkrai sash lead was becoming incredibly common and was incredibly frustrating cheesy and rng reliant. Regardless of your opinion on the sleep ban that happened, something needed to be done about darkrai with hypnosis at the very least (and maybe iron valiant with hypnosis although I never saw that one personally)

[@Saltyape0]

@@shadowdraqon2479sleep is a lot more powerful than hitting a hydro pump or stone edge so using inaccurate sleep moves are often worth it

[@muilecym]

i disagree w/ the gen 9 sleep ban (darkrai and iron valiant are the clear issues here to me but whats done is done) but i can understand where the council was coming from considering how ridiculously powerful sv ou is. oldgens dont have an equivalent to something like booster energy iron valiant that can just end the game immediately from turn 1 and have a lot more tools to naturally be able to deal with similar cheese sleep strategies (terrains, sleep talk typically being more common, 90% of pokemon not being forced to run boots). you dont see like z-hypnosis xurkitree or sing mega altaria tearing up gens 7 and 6 because theres a ton more flexibility in how youre allowed to build teams in these metagames compared to gen 9 that youll usually end up incidentally having some form of counterplay

[@TaLeng2023]

I want an orb that extend Mist, Safeguard and Lucky Chant and abilities that set up those field effects.

[@PKMN649]

Gen 9 is Darkrai, Valiant, H-lilligant, eject button Amoongus. And a top player made a whole thing to teach people how to maximize the bs of sleep. The issue was mainly at the highest levels of play. But really it's more of a "the rules are somewhat inconsistent and sleep is broken anyways so"

[@irakyl]

Hypnosis, sleep powder, and spore deserve the ban hammer, but I'm sad to see yawn go. I don't think it's broken, and it's not as frustrating to go up against. Because drowsy is removed on switch it just ends up being a delayed roar most of the time. Without sleep clause though yawn would likely be broken. So it seems like they were dead set on replacing sleep clause with sleep move clause, and in that case yawn would need to be banned too. I am also reminded of how Freeze clause was implemented to eliminate the 1% of games where you autolose because of two ice beam freezes. Now that sleep clause is replaced by sleep move clause, it is possible to sleep multiple opponents with relic song or effect spore. If this also autowins you the game 1% of the time, it would be funny to imagine adding the original sleep clause back anyway, in which case yawn would no longer be broken

[@itztaytay2]

I will disagree with you about Yawn essentially being a delayed Roar actually, mainly due to if you Yawn an opponent and then they switch out to not fall asleep, that switch *is* their turn so you have effectively burned a turn of theirs while you can do whatever (set up hazards, stat raises, free damage, etc). Roar on the other hand does not burn a turn, whatever is dragged in gets to act immediately, the opponent does not get to choose and might end up in a really bad matchup to be fair but turns wise Roar is much less punishing than Yawn

[@jmcbango]

@@itztaytay2roar kind of does burn a turn though, because you always go last; essentially letting them take their turn before you roar them. Yawn is a lot more nuanced as the opponent can take advantage of the expectation of switching out of the drowsy status. Sometimes thats the best play too as, thanks to sleep clause, it can be beneficial to let one mon sleep in order to neutralize their yawn option for later

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

Status is probably the best way to stop set up sweepers or walls clicking recovery ad nauseum but damn for every other scenario is it just annoying. Losing turns just feels to gut wrenching

[@benjaminh.5690]

The only OU ranked Pokemon in Gen 8 that you'd see running sleep moves often was Ninetails-A, as its fourth move slot was in general a tossup between Hail, Encore and Hypnosis. Atails is only seen on HO so putting one of an opponent's bulky pokes to sleep gave the HO a better shot at breaking through and getting some setup fodder in the process. Amoonguss did exist in the tier every now and again, but it wasn't great. Venusaur and Torkoal on Sun could run Sleep Powder and Yawn respectively, though Venu would be giving up some coverage to do so. Tangrowth also sometimes ran Sleep Powder, but often times it would rather have other moves. Yeah, Sleep wasn't really a big factor in Gen 8, with most of the abusers using Powder moves and Ferro being everywhere with no HP Fire to hit it.

[@Divixell]

In gen 8 OU, you had Tapu Fini and Tapu Koko invalidating sleep.

[@acc3209]

1.Unban Darkrai because it cant sleep anymore 2.Realise that hypnosis darkrai is broken 3.Ban sleep Wtf

[@tootsie_]

Yeah its almost like Darkrai is the problem or something

[@Forged4War206]

Yea for real LOL. Like sure, Sleep is definitely bullshit and is probably worth arguing for a ban in a vacuum, but the fact they just so happened to come to that conclusion after people started running Hypnosis more on Darkrai is sus as fuck. Just admit that you want to keep Darkrai around and quit pretending like you actually did this because of sleep itself.

[@balisticemerald8512]

4. Realize Iron Valiant also gets hypnosis and basically does the same thing Darkrai does but with more movesets

[@CastafioreOnYoutube]

​@@balisticemerald8512wait people run hypnosis Iron Valiant sets fr? Thought that was a meme

[@hunterhetrick3747]

Definitely not. Hypnosis Val has been a thing since practically the start of gen 9 with on/off again usage. It might seem like a meme, but then you use it to sleep your opponent's valiant answer or something that might answer your other setup sweeper and realize you just won the game off a free turn.@@CastafioreOnKZbin

[@hahawowawesome]

“Is paralysis broken?” Up next

[@windwaker0rules]

"Is Pokemon broken" yes

[@telacrap]

ME when I get put to sleep vs my OPPONENT when they get put to sleep

[@LuaShine]

10:16 that miss killed me inside

[@rainrianryan]

Big smogon moving heaven and earth to avoid having to ban Darkrai and Valiant. No idea why Yawn would get banned ever when all the complaints of Sleep lucking people and preventing any counterplay is not present at all with Yawn which functions closer to perish song in forcing enemies to switch or pay the price.

[@asepsisaficionado7376]

This may have the ulterior motive of wanting to make smogon “legit”. They’ve always been uncomfortable with the fact that sleep clause could not be replicated in-game.

[@PKMN649]

This wasn't just about those 2. It was H-lilligant, Amoongus too. 4 Pokemon who were doing nonsense with sleep 3 of which were using inaccurate moves and one that was doing extra cheese nonsese with eject button spore. Like this shows that the issue is sleep not Valiant and Darkrai. Although I do think that Valiant is too strong but not because of sleep. Then there's also the whole deal with sleep clause being a mod instead of a rule like everything else which a lot of oldheads seemed to dislike

[@jmcbango]

Yawn is what really got me with this ban. I can at least understand the arguments for banning every other sleep move, but yawn? Cmon now

[@dogeman5584]

I don't like the ban but even from his tweets it made more people mad and the fact this was the council not the community in my opinion gen 5 ban on sleep was good gen 9 not so much there's a difference in mechanics and I think it would have just been better to give this band choice to the community instead of the council

[@goobingtons]

I was cool with it until I realized it wasn't a community suspect tbh. I, for some reason, thought that there was a suspect test for it that got it banned.

[@dogeman5584]

@@goobingtons I thought it was going to be that too but when I saw that the council themselves were making a huge change to the metagame including a whole status I felt that it was too much and that the community should have this vote not the council

[@Divixell]

There was a community vote.

[@dogeman5584]

@@Divixell it was done by the council not community

[@Divixell]

@@dogeman5584 I voted for the ban. We were around 1000 voters

[@aik21899]

20:22 While not on Politoed, Thunderwave and Glare can still induce some major, game winning BS. Would like your take on that source of RNG, maybe even in Randombattles

[@CountGremlin]

Swear to Arceus RNG in Random Battles Blitz is cranked up to 11

[@volkwell-wk3eq]

he already made a video about it

[@electricVGC]

I would love to see you talk through how a generation would change without status (ideally ADV)

[@boop53]

oh 100% a video of what if Toxic was not a move in the game, or if Toxic was a move exclusive to poison types could be cool pokemon like skarm or celebi without toxic would be gamechanging

[@henriquepacheco7473]

I don't know anything about gen 9 OU, but sleep is the most powerful status condition except for early gens freeze (back when self-thawing and enemy-thawing moves were far less common or nonexistent in the meta and self-thaw chance itself was either lower or non-existent), and it's much easier to apply than the only other status condition that matches it (later-gens freeze). You can't escape from sleep by your own action, unlike freeze (which you can force a thaw with scald or a bunch of different fire moves, and fire and water types resist the moves that cause freeze), you cannot play around it except with the rngfest of sleep talk (again, much worse than self-thaw moves and arguably just as bad as needing to find a fire move to eat in later gens) or the catch-all counterplay of a dedicated item/ability slot to protect from status, and guaranteed free turns are way bigger than any of the other effects of status conditions. Historically, apart from freeze-fishing in gens 1 and 2, sleep has been consistently the biggest, most impactful status condition on singles, even in generations that have paralysis as a key part of the metagame, like with Gen 4's Jirachi and Clefable shenanigans. Teams are much more easily broken in half by sleep than by any other status condition historically (even in gens 1 and 2, although in those two it is entirely because sleep is more easily applied). Does this mean it's broken? Not necessarily, but it does mean it's easily the most centralizing status condition, and given it is, beyond being massively impactful, very rng dependent both on effect and in counterplay (again, sleep talk's rng-fest), I think there is an argument to be made that sleep is uncompetitive in its nature, and that the meta would/could be healthier if the tools to consistently apply it were banned or greatly restricted. Of course, I hardly am qualified to dictate tiering in... any meta or generation, really, and I'm sure better players than me who know the meta of their preferred tiers better than me have perfectly valid argument for why sleep is a good part of the meta, but I think it might be worth suspect testing or otherwise discussing its current position in at least a few of the metas I consistently play (mostly gens 3 and 4 OU, gens 8 and 9 NDUU)

[@EvilApple567]

Complicated situation. The "artificial" nature of sleep clause can be countered by freeze clause, but there are many elements to sleep that are just blatantly anti-competitive and over-centralizing. The only really "good" thing about sleep is that it provides usage for otherwise mediocre Mons, but otherwise there just isn't a great way about dealing with it since it's such a powerful and volatile mechanic. The route of making moves inaccurate to compensate really just increases variance and luck, I think it works better like Freeze (which I also wish they would just convert to Frostbite already) where at best it's a low chance added effect (outside of Rest obv, and also Yawn is a pretty neat move). The thing that makes me question this more than anything is how it will translate to other luck based elements like Para over time. At the end of the day we have to remember that Pokemon is, and was not designed to be a perfect, fair, and objectively skillful experience, we have to try our best to mold it as close to that way as we can (while still being fun and enjoyable) using the tools GF gives to us.

[@biguzivertt]

sleep was quick banned because scrubs and 1200 players don’t realize how powerful darkrai is with the ability to sleep something same with iron valiant

[@TempestDacine]

Remember 70acc hypnosis in dp? Never again lol

[@shadowdraqon2479]

Mtgxerxes days

[@competitively3315]

Calling gen 9 competitive the dumb action movie of Pokémon is really accurate Also I’m ashamed to say that someone finding finch’s real life phone number to rant about the sleep ban doesn’t phase me at all. I was just like “yup, sounds about right” due to being raised in communities where toxicity outside of the game is the norm. It’s definitely going to continue like this if smogon doesn’t change.

[@lori977]

Woah you were raised in toxic communities and nothing phases you at all? That's really cool man. You are a tough guy. I hope I never cross someone like you out there in the streets.

[@volkwell-wk3eq]

"ohh nooooo he called his phone number" big fucking deal, people get shit mailed to their physical house all the time. be thankful that the average age in the smogon community is 15 and the average skin tone is brown because if that was not the case you would see council members get doxxed all the time LMAO

[@Qaos]

Watching that Ttar get chunked by a Zapdos TBolt took me a second to remember that Sandstorm doesn't boost SpDef that gen

[@r.j.tammaro8383]

HOT FUZZ MENTIONED GRRRRAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[@Quoise_]

if sleep gets banned in adv i’ll cry

[@snakeonaked4264]

Gen 9 has just been the council repeating the same mistakes all over again. Wow can’t believe DARKRAI is problematic. Truly didn’t see that coming

[@anna_medeia]

The council is listening to community input far more than ever before, so if anything go ahead and whine about the community.

[@toruu]

Electric + misty terrain blocking sleep/other status is probably a big reason for the lack of spore sleep abuse in gen 7. The problem is like you said, there’s too much optimization on the Pokémon they’re all(mostly)very viable competitively this is essentially turning it into a 6v5 with one Pokémon slept.

[@RenaissanceStrategist]

Sleep is broken, but is it as broken as having one less method of dealing with a runaway sweeper? I say no, and thus sleep should not be banned

[@luckylucas8596]

I don’t think Gen 7 or 8 needs a sleep ban because of Tapu Koko E-Terrain and Tapu Fini M-Terrain, but I could see the argument for previous gens. Take Gen 6 with a potential Mega Gardevoir or Gallade Hypnosis. That could be an insane swing for the user-but very risky considering it’s a 60% move on your not-so-bulky Mega.

[@brain_tonic]

That’s essentially why it got banned in gen 9. Hypnosis on a fast setup sweeper is either gonna win the whole game instantly or waste the Mon, it makes the game too coinflippy.

[@sora4440]

​@@brain_tonic there are so many things that come down to a coin flip in Pokemon though. Including the biggest 50/50 in Kingambit...

[@PKMN649]

Yea, and people have been calling for a Kingambit ban for the majority of the generation. Along with Gholdengo

[@watery2211]

​@@PKMN649Yet they didn't receive the same support for a ban as sleep, you can see this in the most recent community survey

[@brain_tonic]

@@sora4440 50/50 vs slow mon is less cringe than 40/60 vs fast mon. However, its not like Kingambit is avoiding "broken" allegations, gambito is always near the top of every suspect/ban discussion.

[@ElceePlaysCiv]

I can only imagine the voice-mail Ryan Gosling leaves for BKC

[@camsons]

Wake up babe, bkc upload at 2 am

[@DigitalRag3X]

The oldest sleep move in the game gets sleep banned in Gen 9. The more you explain it, the more stupid it sounds

[@EggscellentTree]

Arent sleep power , lovely kiss , sing and spore just as old?

[@DigitalRag3X]

@@EggscellentTree they aren’t on broken pokemon so smogon cares even less

[@hoodedman6579]

That seems like an odd way to phrase it when Gen 1 had like half a dozen sleep moves.

[@DigitalRag3X]

@@EggscellentTree grass sleep moves on grass types LMAO lovely kiss was exclusive to Jynx and GSC event exclusive SING: I mean…if you could ……would you use sing at all?

[@aidynladouceur8369]

Amongus breloom and torkols coverage had to die to let darkrai exist. Very cool! Can't wait till gen 10 when darkrai gets stun spore and para is banned next :)

[@brightpowder_cena]

Dakrai will get banned because para must protected at all cost

[@valoansandiego]

falling asleep to BKC videos is a vibe

[@coasteraddict10]

The Gen 9 OU council has been a complete joke here imo. Sleep has been fine all gen long and as soon as they drop Darkrai, a mon that used to be S teir in UBERS before it's best sleeping method got nerfed from 80% to 60% and shocker it proves to be completely broken in Gen 9 OU, a much lower power level than UBERS and instead of banning Darkrai they ban Sleep? WTF?

[@jmcbango]

Well the idea is that hypnosis creates unhealthy 50/50s, which has been the case with iron valiant as well. Darkrai is very mid outside of that in all honesty. Now why they decided to ban all sleep, including yawn, instead of just banning hypnosis? And without taking any type of public opinion on the best course of action? Really couldnt tell you

[@Yuukl1v9]

Crazy how sleep isn’t a problem until a OU council member gets destroyed by it then gets quick banned 😂

[@mtk77621]

Complete nonsense

[@Kenny-Blankenship]

2:00 damn, BKC using leech life on the viewers

[@Wizzyhatg]

1:20 what the fuck that guy needs to have his rotom phone taken away

[@nicholaskeith6614]

just found out about the sleep ban from this video. thanks for the heads up

[@Array_EB]

Hey BKC. Really liking your content lately man. I was wondering if you ever thought of making a video on how to team build/prep for smogon tournaments? I feel like there are a lot of people who don't know what goes into making a tournament viable/ready team and I think it would be cool to learn

[@hakkbak]

As a 1600 rated player in Gen3 ADV, leave my sleep/breloom alone. There are plenty more overbearing/centralising things in ADV (skarmory, ninjask, dugtrio, blissey, jirachi). People literally run Magneton for the sole purpose of trapping skarm...and skarms still valid.

[@prime3389]

I think my main issue with this is easily the policy being sent down the tiering ladder and affecting all tiers below OU due to a policy primarily enacted due to Iron Valiant and Darkrai. completely fine with the OU ban but lower tiers just having to deal with it and being told flat out that OU decisions don't care about them is so stupid to me. if the decision isn't taking them into consideration, why does the outcome affect their tier at all

[@dumass804]

Funny how this video is stopping me from sleeping right now

[@ShinyTillDawn]

If only the Pokemon with Insomnia were viable against the rest of the metagame.

[@selk8389]

#FreeKomala

[@johnblunt6693]

No one's trying to ban komala, I don't even think it's in gen 9

[@davidcohen7744]

​@@johnblunt6693it is

[@benjihuynh2970]

Sleep isn't that good in any gen but 1, 2 and 5, but it's a fundamental part of gen 1, very well handled in gen 2 by sleep talk + clause, and banned in 5. In all the rest it's not an abominably good strategy. But it is insanely annoying to play against and use. Praying to land 75/60/55 accuracy moves on already bad Pokemon and then praying to not get slaughtered by an immediate wake up make it hella frustrating to use, and getting 5 turn sleeps while never dodging makes it extremely annoying to fight. I would never argue that sleep is unfair, but i would personally have way more fun with it gone and i think the average game would be much less frustrating for the player base if it wasn't in the game. I disagree with the logic behind the ban, but I'll probably be happier with it gone tbh.

[@redwarrior118]

Next step is banning non 100% acc moves lets go!! /s

[@lexor28852]

I need a video on meloetta in gen 5 ou if it was able to remain in pirouette form after switching out, or even if it could just start in that form.

[@toolofthelord]

only read the title. not watching the vid. the answer? NO!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Dankfort]

So glad the mod is removed from the simulator, literally the only reason I care

[@kala__362]

The analogy of gen 9 being a dumb action movie fits so perfectly and it honestly makes me appreciate the generation more

[@kala__362]

At one point do we have to admit that Pokemon is the Marvel of video games?

[@enklaev1933]

RBY bros stay winning

[@athenacapablanca3118]

Meteor Miss

[@siddhantkamble9502]

Glad my request was answered.

[@darktemplar446]

I don't understand how sleep was banned and yet we still have Goldengo and Kingambit ruling over OU. The councel is banning everything except what needs banned. I play on the actual game now. Yeah know, where I can use all game mechanics including sleep.

[@watery2211]

Because they were deemed less of a problem by the community in the most recent community survey. What do you want them to do, not listen to the community?

[@Gnolte]

20:16 metronome:

[@U4eUh]

hoooooooly calling a real life number is crazy wow

[@konchu5221]

1:15 what the fuck

[@Interiorcrocodilealigator10838]

With darkrai finally being OU legal. It only took getting sioped before oras and ash gren dyin in the process. I can very much tell u dark rai is still a PoS sleep or not. Just use sub twave. Odds are you are getting haxed if you are not para flinching. At least theoretically Breloom is sitting dandier than amoongus. Worry seed would be very handy for gliscor. Why is that a move Breloom got to keep in dexit?

[@cw5948]

Sleep is the worst mechanic of competitive Pokémon. I have no idea why the mechanic has been allowed to exist for as long as it has in competitive. Sleep clause is insufficient.

[@GinjouArmy]

People bitch about sleep? I got games where I get crits 2-6 times or frz and missing 80 and 90% moves back to back. Nothing wrong with sleep or that.

[@yeet8036]

These same people also get haxed so I dont understand ur point

[@Saltyape0]

@@yeet8036nah crits and secondary effect moves exist so therefore we shouldn’t ban ohko moves cuz you can get haxed anyway

[@Rin_husband]

Yes. Earthbound is broken and can destroy your entire team if all of them are asleep, the thing is when you attack a sleep enemy he will woke up, makes sense isn't? Then why game freak do the same? Is stupid nerf something situational like burn and not the sleep mechanic

[@theschnozzler]

I can't understand a single thing of what you're saying

[@glitchedoom]

Earthbound?

[@fayestra2486]

I think what they mean is that in Earthbound, when you get hit you're more likely to wake up, and that Pokemon should've had this mechanic to limit sleep. It'd be better to deal with but it'd still have the issue of the opponent being able to set up calm mind or whatever else

[@theschnozzler]

@@fayestra2486 I mean usually when someone is taking advantage of a sleeping pokemon it's for setup or switching around so no it would not fix the issue

[@happychristian1173]

If you were a Pokemon trainer in a Pokemon game, what would be your battle music?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

dead kennedys, terminal preppie

[@happychristian1173]

@@BKCplaysPokemon Very profound. I looked up the lyrics to it. That song gives a lot to work with

[@marcorodriguez8792]

sleep did nothing wrong

[@Smugplayer]

I dont have a problem with them banning sleep if they thought the status was broken on more than just two broken sweepers after the meta had settled. Instead there's literally darkrai in the OU tier doing whatever it wants while it still feels like crap to play due to the power creep. Instead of taking tiering actions against two actual problems then deciding on sleep as a whole if it continued to be one, they decided keeping an uber who abuses it in the tier and got rid of a whole mechanic hurting viablilty of far worse mons with less problematic elements. The previous dlcs meta didn't have it as an issue until Darkrai popped up and IV realized it could also hop on the cheese train as one of its 30 potential sets.

[@yellowishnesses1138]

RIP sleep

[@Odragonkingo231]

I hate to say it, but rng is good on a competitive level. Playing through varience proves who the goods and greats are. Sure it sucks to lose to a an rng mechanic, but its pervasive through the whole game. Even attack rolls are rng based. Sleep is dumb and no one thinks it isnt, but if you really want to remove varience like sleep completely go play chess. The bettsr player wins every time in chess. I think the real reason this gets backlash is if people wanted to play chess they would. People come to showdown to play Pokémon (which sleep is inherently a part of and the previous clause was a fine mid ground).

[@Qaos]

What's your take on unfreezing older tiers that have enough players and a dedicated council?

[@aagd6491]

What type of filter do you use in your thumbnails?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

usually film grain #cinema

[@nomnom2407]

Can you do a competitve history of Ice types?

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

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[@bkebradley]

I play gen 3 almost exclusively these days and I am a fan of banning BP, but sleep is fine

[@wapit3346]

Can’t believe this discussion is even happening outside of Gen 9. Been playing the game for 15 years and sleep has never been an issue for skilled players (bar gen 5). “High level” players need to get good and learn to play around the sleep, it’s not hard.

[@royalgelly8948]

if playing around at a high level isnt so hard, then why arent you up there with them?

[@Ayo-wassup]

​@@royalgelly8948who says they ain't

[@mtk77621]

​@@Ayo-wassupThey aren't. If they are, it is on them to show it

[@mtk77621]

You are not a skilled player, you're a rando on the internet pretending to be better than they are. We have actual statistics on this (from the survey) and it was very clear that better players were more in favor of sleep ban than less good players

[@wapit3346]

@@mtk77621 I have replays to prove that I’ve defeated some of the best Gen 3 ou players currently on the ladder (bluesenergy00, Sunnydale high, hclat), so no I’m not just some random lol. Good players build around sleep and always have. Anyone who thinks sleep needs to be banned outside of Gen 5 and 9 is simply refusing to add one of the several counters available.

[@BeforeThePast]

BasedKC

[@isnanesavant]

The loss of easy terrain on powerful pokemon in the tapus has really fucked up gen 9

[@BriIliance]

Sleep needs a nerf

[@StickyTrap]

Told ya darkria would be an issue

[@pikminologueraisin2139]

hello i'm a rby player (lame gen uh like it's just luck am I right) and no, sleep isn't actually broken unlike what smogoons are saying and yes the sleep clause is indeed killing the game. their bias against offense and current gen gimmicks is staggering and I'm thinking about quitting the tier

[@Justanerd-qj2hd]

To be fair, Finch made it sound more like it was a thing about it being both strong and high variance. Also, while yes, the sleep mechanics are more dumb in gen 1, it's not necessarily a 100% logically sound conclusion to come to that because it's ok in gen 1 it's ok in gen 9. Generally, (and very generally) the time to kill I guess I'd call it in gen 9 is much much lower than in gen 1 with stuff like choice items, tera, paradox and legendaries and Pokemon having access to boosting moves that are fast and strong already. Nothing in OU has both above 30 base speed and a relevant offensive boosting move (other than maybe agility zapdos but I mean more stuff like boosting attacking stats). It means that there's much much less that can use a turn or 2 to instantly run away with the game like stuff like dd moon, volc, or hell, even the sleep abusers like val and darkrai can. Then there's the matter of who's using the moves. Jinx, Gengar and eggy are all scary in their own right, but again, they don't have as much run away with the game power as stuff like Val, darkrai or even lilligant H. I personally didn't super like sleep because it just felt bad to play against, but I don't like how they handled it. But anyway, point is, saying "it's ok in gen 1 so it must be ok in gen 9" isn't necessarily true is all

[@hi-jt7uj]

no one cares if you quit or not, you are not the main character

[@hoodedman6579]

@@Justanerd-qj2hd Don't forget Gen 1 having maxed out stat exp for all, making everything more bulky which also makes the time to kill lower. Anyway, fuck sleep, it fucking sucks (from a fun perspective) in everything due to its absurd variance. It may or may not be overpowered (I am absolutely not qualified to say) but holy shit is "it just doesn't work half the time" an unfun way to balance something.

[@hughmongus6959]

Hey! I really am kind and intelligent! I suddenly feel obligated to like this video!

[@studentloans2488]

Hey B K poop, can you attempt to assemble another tournament? Your DPP ubers is unironically one of my favorite competitive Pokemon event, ever. I would love to see another one, maybe gen 3 OU? Keep it going man you are the greatest

[@-_soy_-888]

No.

[@HinbunEZ]

Focus sash lead darkrai was the breaking point imo

[@meiyagii]

good evening

[@LimitBreakr424]

Im still salty about Darkrai nerf

[@analoghabits9217]

hyper beam is only good on salamence :P

[@julius.caesar.]

I do not play s/v but I’m angered by the council for doing the thing they did. Ashamed even(I do not play this game). So angry.

[@madvorakCZ]

The replay was painful to watch.

[@bartekgoda563]

I haven’t been getting much of it as of late, so maybe it is?