Is Sparking Zero BETTER Than Tenkaichi 3?

[@gmilh]

Absolutely no! Tenkaichi 3 felt complete on release. Sparking Zero feels like it shipped in a beta state at times. The local multiplayer was clearly added at the last minute: without mods you can only play in the Time Chamber, and only a player at a time can select their characters. The main menu (or menus?) is super inefficient: rather than the great true to the source material 2D art that BT3 had, SZ goes for full 3D environments for the main menu that make the menu a slog on slower hard drives. Also rather than have 1 comprehensive menu screen with all the options like BT3, SZ has half a dozen screens that you need to move through to find the thing you were looking for. Finally, the unlock criteria for alternative paths in the story mode feel both very unclear and/or extremely hard to pull off most of the time. Unlike BT3, were What If scenarios felt more accessible in comparison. Almost like BT3 was thoroughly playtested, while for SZ they said let’s ship now, we’ll patch later. Now I understand the realities of gamedev in 2024, and that modern graphics require more time compared to the development work required back in the day for BT3… but still, BT3 felt a finished game to me, SZ does not.

[@NitwitsWorld]

I completely get where you’re coming from. BT3 definitely set a high bar in terms of feeling polished and complete right out of the gate. It really nailed that balance of accessibility and depth, which seems like it’s missing in SZ based on your points. The reliance on full 3D menus does sound like a step back, especially if it sacrifices usability for style-classic “form over function” issue. And yeah, the whole “ship now, patch later” mentality is frustrating. I understand the pressures of modern game development too, but it’s tough when a game doesn’t feel finished at launch, especially when it’s trying to live up to the legacy of something like BT3. Hopefully, they take the feedback seriously and patch it into a more polished state, but it’s disappointing to have to rely on post-launch fixes for what should’ve been there from day one.

[@neoshenlong]

To be completely fair, local multiplayer was not planned for this game and they warned us they'd add it due to popular demand but the game wasn't optimized for it.

[@lilned1865]

Sparking zero was extensively play tested by consumers, there was 100s of hours of gameplay footage months before the game came out, and honestly why would you keep the same 2D Graphical style for menus when the last game was 2 console generations ago, they probably wanted the menus to be 3D back then, and respectfully if you can’t figure out the what ifs that’s on you because it tells you how to do every single one of them

[@tailorlouis999]

Your bugging, sparking is the better game, bt3 was still a broken game,

[@fouchpouch7034]

BT3 had one huge advantage 17 years ago. They didn’t have to deal with “modern gaming” meaning when games were made back then they were made with passion. I miss games that released were actually finished and full of content it’s rare now days

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Exactly! Most games feel soulless these days, and are created as only cash grabs. How unfortunate

[@kakarot4243]

I’d say sz is better it just needs more stages and more offline modes like the survival mode from bt3

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Yep! Completely agree. Hopefully that will come with free/paid dlc

[@dupersuper6516]

It feels like what burst limit was to the original budokai games.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

This is a great comparison and I wish I thought of it

[@hermityt1]

Yep, and what the Raging Blast games were to the Budokai Tenkaichi games.

[@JuniorProdogy]

SZ right now is one of my favorite games but after going back and playing bt3, i still cant in good faith put it over bt3. It definitely has the potential to be better, they just gotta add, fix and tweak certain things to truly make it great, great analysis

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Thanks man! It was a difficult decision to make between the 2, ultimately I really enjoyed the gameplay in SZ but BT3 will always have its place in my life

[@DarkKnight-zk5cx]

YES .. there is waaayyyy to much cheese in sz..imstant sparking unblockable ult.. locking on and off is janky .. bt3 is better and i play sz everyday

[@Sk3lat0rRofficial]

@@DarkKnight-zk5cxok well i’m js here to say bt3 has all what u js said but with that being said i don’t necessarily disagree all the way

[@PARZ90s]

Sparking Zero is low effort. BT3 actually puts its hardware to the limit. Sparking Zero just has Kid Goku for OG DB, that's a joke. Comparing the 2 games is just disrespectful.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Absolute joke man, it bothered me to the core that we didn’t even get the most basic of DB characters

[@mateuszwozniak6168]

Is Sparking Zero better? + Visually yes. +/- What ifs are cool also, although in total are the better than in BT3...? Not sure +/- Combat system: properely recreated, slightly enhanced where it could, but I was hoping they will add something extra. Or at least recreate something from Raging blast 2 as well. but: - amount of stages is kind of small - accessory system was created for... what? for auras and scouters? That's not funny joke (the amount of accessories to unlock) - amount of outfits - it lacks some challenging mode. I mean, they have a great basis of the gameplay and all they do is: normal VS mode, Tournament and customs scenarios (sometimes it is difficult to find a 'serious' one but this mode is very nice). I remmeber Raging blast 2 even had some better modes. I mean the could do some roguelike mode which unlocks outfits/accessories/dragon balls and here it is. Hopefully we will get something more. Online mode is ok but it is not what the game was made for, even the creators said that the game is to recreate as close as it can dbz battles, not to provide balanced fights, so the online mode for me is an addition (which I used at the begining, now I just like to play casually and enjoy the fight (with 'AI')) Generally I expect it to have many updates with content, I mean the game sometimes looks pretty raw (the content) - having in mind what BT3 had

[@po72644]

12:42 - Universe 7 vs Universe 6 tournament would like to speak with you

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Damn, I completely forgot when writing the video lol

[@vietnguyen2293]

I think the biggest thing kinda hindering Sparking Zero was just how it was released. If I’m mistaken, they wanted it released alongside Daima, leading a lot of things to be left a bit unpolished. If they would have just let it bake in the oven for a few more months, I don’t doubt that it would’ve been the greatest DBZ game to ever release. BT3 overall just feels like a completed package and you could tell it had a lot of love put into it

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Yeah, I definitely thought there would be more to it. I kind of take back calling it “more of a complete package” in this vid. I don’t think I phrased that correctly lol

[@rein3417]

Great game, though I do wish it had certain features from 2 and 3. Also, where are nova pikkon and super 17? heck even throw in eis, maybe even general rildo. lavender and basil were going to be playable...surprisingly so was future mai, zen-oh guard...and zen-oh. 💀

[@mysteriousthirteen]

I didn’t even think of the latter being playable, but yeah I was genuinely annoyed nova wasn’t in there. And No pikkon? Wth? Definitely will be dlc but still, frustrating

[@cabezabuque2]

Absolute fantastic analysis bro

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Thank you bro!

[@smokey9091]

BT3 is the overall more complete and refined game, which is sad to say 17 years later. Sparking zero is better graphically, upgrading on a lot of the ultimate attacks, giving them a more cinematic feel. Other than that, I can't really say sparking is a "better" game overall, considering it misses a lot of what made bt3 enjoyable 15 years ago and even now. For a 2024 70-110$ game, it does not feel like a proper sequel that I can say usurps its prequel. BT3 has many advantages: -Better balance in combat, i.e.. ki sickness, lower damage output, higher cool down on super counter, and better dragon dashes -35 stages as opposed to 12 in SZ - splitscreen on all stages - has more costumes and alternative color swaps for all characters - has more single player content such as : mission 100, survival mode, and sim dragon, and the "story" mode was presented in a better fashion even though it was not that good either - Has original Dragon ball characters, most of the movie characters, and super 17 - better character selection screen that is a lot more clean and has all forms/transformations of a specific character behind their base form. Also, it uses drawn portraits with personality instead of just the 3d model of the character. - Has better choreography and sound effects for its rush supers that make them a lot more impactful and accurate to the show, examples of this here : [kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaS8gXlqbL96mZIsi=8K15f\_XvGDpOOXQj](kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaS8gXlqbL96mZIsi=8K15f_XvGDpOOXQj) [kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJbanaGZlt6Kd7M&lc=UgxuJfMypoLSDuyP8kZ4AaABAg.A9lYHWAMycoAAIBNunxhqG](kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJbanaGZlt6Kd7M&lc=UgxuJfMypoLSDuyP8kZ4AaABAg.A9lYHWAMycoAAIBNunxhqG) [www.reddit.com/r/tenkaichi4/comments/1fxs5on/the\_inconsistent\_quality\_of\_the\_rushcinematic/](www.reddit.com/r/tenkaichi4/comments/1fxs5on/the_inconsistent_quality_of_the_rushcinematic/) [kzbin.infoSISfon55jrk?si=Cf7QT1Kq2Hg-oOKR](kzbin.infoSISfon55jrk?si=Cf7QT1Kq2Hg-oOKR) - the beam attacks are more accurate to source material, which is being a straightforward blast. in sparking, literally every beam curves for some odd reason. Also, the explosions from beams and ki based ultimate's had a lot more impact, making them feel more powerful, such as screen shake, fade to white, and exaggerated sound effects - tournament mode allows for more participants - much better OST that never gets old Overall sparking has the potential to be a better game than BT3, but it seems to have been rushed to release on the same day as diama, which damaged its presence currently and possibly its longevity. Sparking zero needs several bug fixes. QoL changes and more refined combat and balance to get to at least the same level as bt3 was for its time. Right now, the game is fun to play with friends, but unfortunately, it doesn't bring back that same feeling people had with bt3, which is still a classic to this day. Maybe with several patches, it can be great, but the game should've dropped when it was fully ready because first impressions are everything. It's just not worth its price tag right now.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Well said man. Agreed on mostly everything - and hopefully with some patches/updates sparking zero can be exactly what fans imagined. Hopefully devs are listening

[@8bitdiedie]

Two things Sparking Zero dropped the ball HARD on: 1. An insanely limited offline multiplayer. People saying the PS5 can’t handle split-screen is ridiculous, there have been FANMADE mods for this with way more options. 2. Mediocre online responsiveness. It’s not the worst thing if this was some other game but in this game the timing of your inputs matter a LOT.

[@blueshot333]

I have arguments for the split screen part, 1.The Mods are only exclusive to PC, Other Consoles would explode if they could mod it in too 2.The Mod may seem good at first but youll notice that the game actually lags when you try to split screen in other stages

[@8bitdiedie]

@@blueshot333 If that's the case why would they develop the game for the PS5 when the 'mighty' PS5 can't handle features the franchise had back in its PS2 days? Either make it PC-exclusive, give the PC version more features, or develop it for a console that can actually handle split-screen.

[@blueshot333]

@@8bitdiedie Thats easy, Sparking Zero uses better Graphics one which requires a lot more than PS2 specs, you are literally comparing a Child to a Grandpa,

[@8bitdiedie]

@@blueshot333 If the graphics impede you from having proper gameplay, don't invest so much in them.

[@NitwitsWorld]

They should bring back mini-game load screens I’m shocked they didn't bring it back for Sparking Zero 😢

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Agreed! Even something really simple that you can interact with would’ve been nice

[@NitwitsWorld]

@@mysteriousthirteen I’m hoping indie game devs bring it back to the mainstream

[@Vergil_Sparda69]

It has the potential to be better if they make vanish wars like bt3 and thsy add more maps.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Valid statement

[@captainfalconmain6576]

i feel like most people would say no

[@benjaminakpojaro6345]

I’d say Sparking Zero let itself down with its roster and stages. It gave us the bare bones of super. So many TOP characters we should have got, Gods of destruction, Angels and movie characters henchmen. We’re even missing characters from the battle Royale vs universe 6, which is poor.

[@PARZ90s]

Sparking Zero's roster is pathetic. GT roster is not even the bare minimum and OG DB is just Kid Goku.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

The fact they skipped that entire U7 v U6 tournament is crazy to me

[@benjaminakpojaro6345]

@@PARZ90s Right?? There’s still time and it’s a product of its era in terms of drip feeding us DLC, but I think we’d have preferred a fleshed out GT roster than Ribrianne and Bergamo. Then they could have given us all the TOP folks in an epic DLC with story content also.

[@benjaminakpojaro6345]

@@mysteriousthirteen So crazy. Feels rushed. Why wouldn’t we have Frost’s first stage and have him transform? Let down.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Is Sparking Zero REALLY the superior game?

[@crackedfrost]

Nah. I bought it day one and I still can't play it online. Communication error simulator.

[@User-s9r7x]

yes

[@wingedassassin9999]

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[@sorayasayeh9135]

Bro they should have made the what ifs with more variety maybe have piccolo fight buu and then omega shenron?

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Yeah, that would have been cool too. I do like a lot of the spins they took on the storyline though. Maybe we’ll get more in updates

[@maliciousnnutritious3910]

BT 2 was the king. Best story best what ifs.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Can’t wait to replay it!

[@lumpcrittergravy]

I prefer BT3 more because it feels right to me. However I respect SZ on a more technical level, I'm just not feeling it.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Yeah I feel that man, in a lot of ways it just doesn’t hit the same as the original trilogy

[@lumpcrittergravy]

@@mysteriousthirteen Also I played BT3 back in 2007, after that no DB game had my interest. Heck it was 2011 when I last played it to master it, then decided right after to watch all of Dragonball, Z, GT, and all movies, Chronologically. After that, I was done till Super came around. Yet now, I haven't even seen one episode of Damia. Loved Super Hero mored than Tree Of Might, thats saying something. So I'm uninspired yet on the fence. Also, I'm busy enjoying my hack and slashes and Silent Hill 2 Remake. I feel bad too, been waiting for SZ for a while.

[@Khaab93]

T3!

[@mysteriousthirteen]

🔥

[@ZarisVideo]

Bro sparking zero is beautiful but I hate the mechanics. That’s why BT3 is better and much more fun even Xenoverse

[@mysteriousthirteen]

I feel the mechanics are good in SZ, what didn’t you like about them?

[@headcrush_7661]

Still can't believe they cut gt characters when there are literal Daima characters in the game......like wtf

[@mysteriousthirteen]

It’s absurd honestly

[@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225]

It's like one Daima character lol

[@mysteriousthirteen]

@@dixonb.tweenerlegs4225 I was thinking that too ngl 😂

[@BrienH]

Sparking Zero’s menu is bad imo. It’s laggy and a pain to navigate.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

I enjoy the look of it personally

[@clover4522]

Sparking Zero is a very good game but feels lacking in some areas -covered in the video but kid Goku is the only OG DB representation which sucks -no GT stories in campaign -no movie stories in campaign -lacking costumes/recolors, something i believe BT3 had for every character, yet it feels like only half the cast in SZ have alternate outfits/recolors -no normal Garlic Jr, just Super Garlic Jr

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Well said, the recolors is something I hadn’t noticed prior to some comments pointing it out, which is disappointing for sure

[@bishoyromani4058]

BT3 still better

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Respect

[@Agentunderfire]

The select menu is garbage in sparking zero, and the fact you can only play one stage for local co-op is a massive L in my book

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Genuinely surprised people don’t like it! I thought it was sick lol

[@chaoscriminal]

I’ll say, I prefer simpler and basic menu screens. I don’t need all the flashy stuff like with sparking zero

[@mysteriousthirteen]

I definitely understand where you’re coming from. Personally, I thought it was cool though!

[@That_guy_youngtau]

Justice for Super 17

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Screaming that

[@wingedassassin9999]

Is it just me, or are you trying to sound super cool the entire time. Like i get some nickelodeon show vibes where you have that obligatory "cool" highschool character. No offense if you just sound like that by the way, but it really sounds like you are trying hard to put on a "cool" voice

[@mysteriousthirteen]

These are some of the best comments because it is in fact my real voice

[@brandonlaferney937]

Overall I'd say sparking zero is better but it does fall flat in several areas. I love sparking zero's story mode and especially scenarios better. My 2 biggest complaints are 1. And this is gonna sound weird when it was one of the things the game brags about is the roster. It seems big but when you remove duplicates and count all the goku's, Vegeta's, etc, as 1 character then T3 and SZ both have 81 characters which when SZ added a bunch of super characters but doesn't actually have a bigger roster is a disgrace. And 2. Not registering inputs. Like when I press the supers button and it brings up the super list on screen and everything, but my character still just throws a regular punch or ki blast anyway instead of doing a super. Or when i launch a character away and want to follow up with a super but my character just keeps doing vanishing attacks.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Agree with you on mostly everything here, man. The roster in SZ really isn’t TOO massive when you take out all the repeats. Although each character and versions of the same characters have separate movesets at the end of the day they are the same characters

[@josephbuchanan2319]

@@mysteriousthirteenI don’t understand this criticism because you can apply that to all DB games especially the Budokai Tenkaichi series. Especially describing the roster as a “disgrace” like this guy did us being overly critical and nostalgia blind.

[@cauliflablue3076]

And I can give a list of reasons why its NOT better and can't be

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Why SZ isn’t better than T3?

[@cauliflablue3076]

@mysteriousthirteen Yeah

[@cauliflablue3076]

@@mysteriousthirteen Back when BT3 came out it was not like how it is today, We would just play and have fun and if we did pvp we did it with our homies souly for strictly fun , nowa days pvp is plagued with people who only want to play with the most OP characters and stick to the "meta" and playing with who ever you actually like is sadly the minority nowadays

[@cauliflablue3076]

@@mysteriousthirteen BT3 also didn't have a toxic online community to deal with , I'm not saying everyone is like that but in this day and age of gaming there's A LOT of rage quiters and people with bad attitudes , Back in 2007 that was not really an issue yet, ALSO BT3 never got updates and new characters if stayed the same for ever and it was fine like that, With SZ we will get many "Meta changes" and patches that will make or break things for better or worse many times before the game is done, Another think BT3 never had to deal with

[@cauliflablue3076]

@@mysteriousthirteen SZ has better graphics and higher quality ultimate animations tho (but it's a 16-17 year gap between the 2 games it more than should look better at least somewhat lol)

[@Cautious_Gamer]

When it comes to the combat/counter mechanics and graphics, yes. When it comes to content and modes, no.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Completely agree

[@PulseDemon.]

Yes people need to stop hating on sparking zero so much

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Could not agree more

[@PulseDemon.]

People complaining about sparking story mode and then praising BT3 as if it didnt do the exact same things worse is honestly wild to me​@@mysteriousthirteen

[@dupersuper6516]

​@@PulseDemon. Broken logic, and you're overcorrecting. T3 did more with less. The bar is higher. SZ needs to do more with more. Stop mistaking hate with misguided criticism. That is how devs learn the wrong lessons and nothing improves. Toxic positivity is just as harmful.

[@harrisoncora4259]

Not even close

[@captainfalconmain6576]

sparking zero is not even top 3 dbz games bt3 bt2 budokai 3 are all better games i think put it number 4

[@mysteriousthirteen]

That’s honestly fair. I honestly enjoyed the BT formula with new gen graphics but like I said, the originals hit different

[@HardHatDagu]

The Custom Battle mode puts Sparking Zero above Tenchaichi for me, its basically and infinite story mode, a boss fight creator, so muuch potential💯

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Agreed, one of the best things SZ added!

[@DarkKnight-zk5cx]

custom battle is so limited its not even worth playing.. don't get me started on the wonky dialogue selection , its takes 3 hours jus to find and say hello

[@onthebrink1031]

Sparking Zero is the biggest video game let down I've experienced in my life.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

Damn, what exactly disappointed you?

[@onthebrink1031]

@@mysteriousthirteen the powerpoint presentation story mode, the fact I've still not once found enough players to do a tourney, and a few annoying bugs. Also minor things that I just didnt like, like how easy it is to gain skill points, and the removal of Ki fatigue. there's less than 8,000 people on DBSZ right now as I edit this comment.

[@josephbuchanan2319]

Yes, you have to have massive nostalgia blinders to say otherwise because BT3 was far lighter on content than the other BT games. Now if compare it to BT2 and yeah, then there’s a discussion because that game has way more content.

[@mysteriousthirteen]

I’ve been hearing this a lot. Definitely need to try BT2 asap

[@cauliflablue3076]

No lol

[@PoohKalonji_97]

It’s good enough to some ppl BT2 is better than 3 every game has there little difference

[@mysteriousthirteen]

I’ve heard BT2 has the better story mode

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