Is Stem Splitter Good Enough? Hear the Comparison

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@darude 7 ай бұрын

Great video! I understand we all want it better, or perfect, but it seems many people don’t understand that what’s possible now was pretty much strange alchemy, the holy grail of full mix stereo audio treatment just a few years ago. Coming from when nothing like this level of separation was possible, we just had EQ, mid/side processing and manual meticulous phase cancellation to work with, some artifacting is really not a big deal. I also hope that people use these tools to learn, to study arrangements and sounds and mixing choices etc, and not just think of them as a better free-for-all access to clean(er) samples, as IMHO original works are where it’s at and copyright laws apply to stems the same as to full songs.

@nikovaude 7 ай бұрын

Word from the GOAT himself !!! 🙏

@Gongtopia 7 ай бұрын

I am just amazed at the improvement in stem splitting in only a few years. This is such a great tool, especially for remixing older stereo and live 2-track recordings. Amazing.

@AdamStachelek 7 ай бұрын

I’ve found stem splitter works great during mixing if there is bleed from the drums in the vocal mic. Removed the drums entirely from the vocals

@donnyp_ 7 ай бұрын

gonna have to try that! good tip

@UrbanGarden-rf5op 7 ай бұрын

The artefacts reminds me of, digital guru, Bob Katz expression “Watch out for the space monkeys” concerning early digital processing and mp3’s. I once tried to show a colleague that John Williams had “borrowed” the Star Wars music concept from Gustav Holsts suite The Planets. Firing up the new craze, Spotify, I proceeded to play Mars… …and was horrified by all the pitch and timing errors. The main theme contains a lot of fast runs in the basses. Their timing was all over the place. And some kind of random pitch modulation on everything. They sounded really amateurish. So much for new tech. Fortunately we worked three floors up from one of the biggest record libraries in the world, so it was a minor nuisance, but still😉 As an early adopter of digital audio, it taught me a very valuable lesson. “Watch out for the space monkeys” Thanks for yet another really useful and well produced video

@tonylunn9121 7 ай бұрын

I used it recently to recover the main vocal from a cassette recording of a piece from the 90’s. Sadly the singer has passed away. But to be able to get the main vocal out was amazing. Currently redoing the song and it’s just a so bitter sweet feeling. Even though the source was from a cassette tape. LP did a really good job. Not perfect but good enough to start tweaking. I used Flex Time to correct the timing and pitch correction to bring it back in key before splitting the stems.

@lit3229 6 ай бұрын

Great story and so cool that it helped bring this performance back.

@randmotu 7 ай бұрын

THX as always, clear and to the point! I did percieve that Stem Splitter waveforms looked and sounded having a lower level compared to the Original tracks... which helped the originals punch more.

@Hammerman48 7 ай бұрын

To be honest having stem splitter in house is a great bonus feature.

@dafingaz 7 ай бұрын

For those who don't have anything else, Stem Splitter is great! LOL. I have RX and if I need a quick stem splitter thing to be done, I'll use LP. (RX is still great for audio cleaning, etc).

@FLAVMEDIA 7 ай бұрын

Good to Hear the Comp:)

@FLH3official 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for the video, Chris. My main problem with all these "stem splitters", with AI or not AI, is they work with pop/rock/modern music or other kind of very simple & formated music with "vocals/drums/bass". AI or not, they can't cope with complex music. Or everything is put in the "other" category which is not a great help. When these tools will be abble to demix a string quartet or a flute concerto things will be different, they will not a be a kinda fun novelty anymore. On my side when I realy need this kind of tool, for instance to get rid of the music in a movie scene I would like to illustrate, I use "Ultimate Vocal Remover". Free, works on intels, no ""AI magic word"" and can isolate drums, vocals and harmonic music. I get the dialogs (=vocal), the sound FXs/foleys (=drums) and the rest of the music.

@Bittamin 7 ай бұрын

Been saving my ass with getting quotes from tv shows and movies that have background music or noise though! 🎉

@TheDanielShepherd 7 ай бұрын

Ultimate Vocal Remover IS AI though. It works with all the open source AI model training data, it's nothing more than GUI for the AI models that you download in it.

@FLH3official 7 ай бұрын

@@TheDanielShepherd Good to know there's "AI inside" but they don't overuse this fv-k-ng trendy magic marketing word 😁

@velanche 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comparisons. As a DJ, I've listened to stem separation with DJ software, and they are similar in quality - which is to say, they are improving, but in the end they are "good enough" to be usable in some context. No stem separation is perfect; in the end, it's up to the user to make the decisions on a stem's usability. Perhaps maybe adding effects could improve it, especially when the stem is added to the entire mix, possibly hiding the imperfections enough. I look forward to seeing the evolution of the technology, whether it's Logic Pro or RX or Serato Sample or the various DJ software, over time. Thanks for the video!

@maxyoshimoto 7 ай бұрын

Great comparison, LP quality was really good. I just wish it would also split out Piano. Thank you for the video.

@rafbass 7 ай бұрын

Awesome video Chris! Thanks! I was in need for that!

@jdubbs9655 7 ай бұрын

I am quite happy using Rip-X Pro. 😉

@guitar.knackshack2210 7 ай бұрын

Sounds like Rx kick drum stayed more consistent and LP's kick changed tone through out. LP is evolving sweetly, I use LP and some RX, That would be funny if RX and LP used the same AI....Killer vid Chris, Thank you Sir!

@MyOwnWayMusic 7 ай бұрын

Great comparison .. Logic Pro 11 comes up really well ...

@syjo4701 3 ай бұрын

My question would be, after splitting, can you edit/clean up and manipulate the separate splits?

@PaulEubanks 7 ай бұрын

I’ve had really good results with Fadr.

@petesmith6434 6 ай бұрын

The big difference is that RX11 runs on an Intel Mac and Logic’s Stem Splitter doesn’t. That is the problem with Apple producing both the hardware and the software…Apple does not support Intel Macs only a few years old and is trying to force users to buy a new “M” powered Mac!

@StratsRUs 6 ай бұрын

I was using a Mac Pro 2008.With additional things I'd installed.. I recently bought a Mac Mini M2pro. That's a big jump ! And I am very happy. Not just cos of the Stem Splitter.There is so much more.

@jeffeitzen6570 4 ай бұрын

Can any of the programs split the Stereo drum track into separate tracks?

@mattduncan5500 5 ай бұрын

anyone know why i cant find StemSplitter in my Logic? V10.8.1

@Sam_Locke 7 ай бұрын

Sadly I don't have this feature on my Macbook (mine is a late 2021) I sent you an email recently of a vocal I'm trying to isolate. It has parts where you can only hear the vocal on it's own... maybe one day we can isolate full stack vocals from it... who knows!

@kerose 7 ай бұрын

I don’t think I’ll ever reach first for RX. Another fabulous upgrade. For free.

@andrew6889-p5c 7 ай бұрын

This is good. Thank you.

@rcatawampus 7 ай бұрын

I see this as a good practice tool. If I was a drummer or bass player, this would be amazing. But everything I want to separate is in the "other" stem so not as useful.

@CristianArangomusic 7 ай бұрын

I LOVE LOGIC

@ajmaietta 7 ай бұрын

Wow Logic is pretty favorable!

@michaelbutler2312 7 ай бұрын

i used the stem splitter on a wav file of drums, bass and guitar. since the drums was a static pattern, i replaced it with the new drummer. so far it has done pretty badly and i've set it to follow the bass and guitar also but not very good. any recommendation?

@SaS-Music 6 ай бұрын

I’m always wondering why so many people want stems. Isn’t it more satisfying to… Oh, no. It’s just easier to make music when someone else makes it for you…or am I missing something?

@Fritzelgard 7 ай бұрын

i find lalala ai to be way way better than RX especially with their new demo, do you have any plans on doing a comparison against it?

@Fritzelgard 7 ай бұрын

meant to say new algo, not demo

@danthemanmillan 7 ай бұрын

im super curious how this would work with super low tuned music like djent and metalcore

@PTFI 7 ай бұрын

All "Stem Splitters" have a long way to go. Let's check back a year from now 🙂I'm sure we will laugh at the quality comparisons of now versus then. Will logic make it available for Non Silicon devices? Thanks for the video.

@williamshaneblyth 7 ай бұрын

Moises is what I use stand alone and can do 6 splits i see no point in putting a stem splitter in a DAW

@juliaojapelto 7 ай бұрын

I was expecting to see Moises in this comparison. 😊

@prettywiththelightsout 7 ай бұрын

same. that's the one i currently use. curious how it compares.

@williamshaneblyth 7 ай бұрын

@@prettywiththelightsout well it does 6 stems so ..

@TheDanielShepherd 7 ай бұрын

I compared it to RX11, LP 11 and UVR5 - I think RX11 is the worst, iZotope really haven't improved much in years after being one of the first. LP was offered much better results on the track I used, UVR5 is the best but I have to run it on my 3090 Nvidia card to get it to work in a minute or so, on my Mac it'd take all night where as Logic is very fast.