IS the 7800X3D worth buying for 1440p gaming?

[@mikep9418]

That was a politicians response. Talked all around the subject without actually answering it!

[@lapachi_428]

Yeah my head hurts and I definitely lost some IQ listening to him.

[@BrandonWestfall]

He explained why the comparison wasn't made but didn't actually answer the question. It wasn't that difficult to understand. It is a valid question though. What's the realistic performance difference at the two at 1440p.

[@TRHardware]

@@BrandonWestfall It is there. Because of the cache. It would make sense to pick RX7600 if you only plan to game in 4K exclusively with powerful enough videocard. 7800X3D will have better 0.1% FPS in 1080P and 1440p around. And I would say an average fps also 10-20% better.

[@MrEorza]

I disagree that the 7600X / 7800X3D are for different buyers. I could buy any CPU on the market but I'm not gonna pay double price unless it's genuinely a LOT better. For many people it's about getting the most sensible deal. Sometimes the flagship does make sense.

[@jankratochvil9779]

4080 vs 4090.. only one of them makes some sense to me :D. In therms of avaible value and no its not 4080.

[@ProVishGaming]

The 13900k is 2.5x better in productivity. The 13700k also is roughly 1.5x better than the 7800x3d and way cheaper. Yeah, the 7800x3d are only for people that want to game with a 4090. Makes no sense otherwise.

[@dethskullcrusher]

There lies the question, what you think is "a LOT" better doesn't define what others define as "a LOT" better, it depends on what you do with the CPU and what you expect from it basicly.

[@Gofr5]

I picked up the Ryzen 5 7600 for my 4k gaming rig with the 7900XTX. Part of my CPU choice was based on saving as much money as possible to dump in to the GPU instead, part of it was based on the fact that I am playing at 4k. The 7800X3D is double the price of the 7600 for me. I saw no reason to spend an extra $300 on it for the resolution and performance I was expecting. My PC is strictly a media device. Gaming, video streaming, and general internet use. The most production use it sees the occasional word document or pdf once every blue moon. After 2 months with it, I can safely say I have not once felt the need for the 7800X3D or any higher tier CPU for my use.

[@alpha13sierra]

​@@Gofr5 bottom of the barrel CPU combined with top of the line GPU. It's safe to safe that's the worst combination possible.

[@siewkimng1085]

I honestly think this question was poorly answered... It depends on what kinda GPU you have. If you have an uber 8k GPU from the future, then 7800X3D would make sense. For 1080p it would make sense if paired with a strong GPU, at 1440p, it's not very likely the 7800X3D would see much benefit unless it's games that particularly benefit from 3D V Cache like factorio. Also could make an argument for 7800X3D if you play MMO with many things happening at the same time, because those situations are often CPU bound.

[@Effect-Without-Cause]

The question was vague and it got an appropriately vague answer. What fps does the asker play at? is he happy with 60fps? does he want 100+? is he a weirdo who's happy with 30? Does he play mostly new "AAA" games? All those points are way more important that "is good for 1440p?"

[@siewkimng1085]

@@Effect-Without-Cause I do not agree the question was vague. It was asking specifically if 7800X3D has any real world benefits at 1440p as it is more likely to hit a GPU bottleneck before a CPU bottleneck at this resolution. And that completely depends on the GPU that is paired with it. I highly doubt you'll see more than 1-2% benefit from a 7700X to 7800X3D with anything lesser than a 6950XT at 1440p. The target fps is irrelevant to answering this question because it is obvious that it means uncapped fps. If you are capping fps why are you even considering the 7800X3D? Makes even less sense as you can probably get by with a 3600X if you are only aiming for 60fps.... A 4090 would certainly be churning out frames like crazy at 1440p can can easily justify the 7800X3D pairing.

[@Effect-Without-Cause]

@@siewkimng1085 You have a point, but then we're back at the cost of 7800x3d being the most important factor, as the video said it's a $500+ high end cpu. Is the asker going to pair it with something lesser than 6950XT? edit: $500+ in eu regions.

[@siewkimng1085]

@@Effect-Without-Cause possible if you already have a somewhat recent GPU. I moved to AM5 with my 6800XT which was used on my previous system. As such for my specific case (I’m also on 1440p) I will not see much difference between my current 7600 PBO vs 7800X3D. As I’m GPU bound on pretty much every game I play.

[@pollarwtas7828]

@@siewkimng1085hey bro i am pairing a 6800xt with a 5800x in a 1440 monitor , am thinking to upgrade my cpu to a 7800x3d this weekend since i found the 3d for just 300€ ... it is gonna be a great upgrade for my gpu ??

[@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy]

Have a 7600x but ordered a 7800x3d and I play at 1440p with a 6700xt. You want these kind of cpu due to raising minimum frames. Helps your gaming experience to feel, better. I play arpg games mainly, path of exile, diablo4 etc.. Gonna be a difference especially for path of exile

[@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy]

installed the 7800x3d, darn its good, game is fluid

[@Zannelol]

is it worth it the upgrade?

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

@@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy Is the GPU a bottleneck at 1440p? What about the 6800 XT?

[@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy]

@@most_sane_piano_enthusiast Play at 4k now. at 1440p with a 7800x3d the gpu is likely the drawback depending what game and card. the 6700xt was great and is great at 1440p. 6800xt seems overkill to me personally.

[@NemoRSRB]

@@RobertJohanssonRBImGuy Information is very scarce on this cpu and POE. Can you talk about your experience with juiced up maps upgrading from a 7600x to a 7800x3d?

[@ItzTheDay]

I can't speak for the 7600X/7700X, but I came from a 5800X/4080 to a 7800X3D/4080. I game at 5120x1440 and I saw a very nice uplift in my games. Very happy with the 7800X3D.

[@inmypaants]

So you have a super UW? What’s the refresh rate in that monitor?

[@ItzTheDay]

@@inmypaants 240Hz. Samsung Neo G9.

[@Effect-Without-Cause]

Did your mobo not support the 5800x3d?

[@ItzTheDay]

@@Effect-Without-Cause No it did. Had a Asus ROG X570 Crosshair 8. Now I have the Asus ROG X670E Crosshair Hero. I wanted to upgrade to AM5. And yes, the latest bios.

[@Crypto4u-x2w]

What Mobo have you paired and Rams??

[@AmitSharma-lh3pm]

If you play at 1440p but use DLSS/FSR, isn't that going to make it less gpu bound? In that case a better cpu is necessary. It's interesting how using a technology aimed at making things easier for your low to mid range gpu to get more fps actually ends up making your cpu matter more. A 7800x3d is therefore probably more important for high refresh rate 1440p gaming using DLSS/FSR compared to a high end system running 4k native with a 7900xtx or similar...

[@srimasis]

I think the only reason I will be using DLSS or FSR is because I am getting less than 60fps. In that case the GPUs are the ones which are maxing out not the CPUs. The 7600 is totally capable of getting more than 120fps if used with a better GPU. 7800x3d should only be used if you are using a 240hz monitor.

[@AxleLotl]

Monitors are getting better and better in terms of refresh rates, response times and input latencies. 1440p these days, particular on OLED displays is better than 4K from 4/5 years ago.

[@ahmadomar1-v3t]

bruh what? 1440p oled is better than 4k from a year ago my guy, its even better than 4k today, 3440x1440p 34" UW oled is the absolute sweetspot for gaming

[@AxleLotl]

@@ahmadomar1-v3t So, you agree with me, yet still tried correcting me? Nice one.

[@ahmadomar1-v3t]

@@AxleLotl lmao, your reading comprehension isnt as good as it should be huh?.... thats pretty obvious from your answer LOL........ To help you out, you said: todays 1440p oleds are better than 4k from 4-5 years ago, whereas i said what are you even on about? 1440p oled is better than what 4k was even A YEAR AGO, i dont know where it went wrong for ya but it sure did somewhere dud. GG tho.

[@portman8909]

Anything beyond 165hz is diminishing returns.

[@freemanninja7867]

I was thinking of buying 7800x3d, I have 4060 TI 16Gb with ryzen 5 3600, and I only game in 1080p, should I buy 7800x3d? I guess it wont hurt since you need a strong cpu to play in lower resolutions, right?

[@GamersSanctum]

It all depends on the games you play though. Dialed down settings on fps games can and even strategy type games and mmo's still benefit from a powerful cpu even at 4k

[@balajig1261]

There are some people out there, who want maximum price to performance with some minimum performance needed cap. I wanted a graphics card which can play in high setting 60 FPS in 1440p resolution, so i was looking anything equal and above 3060 ti to 3080 10GB . I had around 600$ to spend, waiting for 3080 10 GB drop to 600$ but didnt happen. So, my choices were 6800 XT for 600$ or 6700 XT for 380$ or 3060 Ti for 470$, I didn't consider 3070 and 3070 ti because of AMD alternate was better. So, I went with 6700 XT - bcoz getting 75% of performance of 6800XT for 60% cost. I know there is a longevity with RX 6800 XT is not as same as RX 6700 XT, but one good thing is selling lower TDP cards is lot easier than higher TDP ones, and a shorter upgrade cycle. But luckily right now 12GB VRAM is sufficient so in that side I am safe. But my CPU is R5 5600 where already games started using 8 core and 16 threads, so i feel my cpu may need replacement before my next GPU. TLOU using 81 percent of my CPU performance already.

[@RFKG]

Great buy, mate.

[@Collin_J]

It looks like the 12gb of VRAM on that 6700xt is going to be a big part of the long-term value of that card, I think you got maximum bang for buck

[@balajig1261]

@@Collin_J After getting 6700 XT, RTX 3060 ti and 3080 also had price reduced not much though, that time I thought I should have waited and gone for Nvidia, but everything happens for a reason ,, got lucky there ..

[@NamTran-xc2ip]

Your cpu is plenty good enough. With optimised settings + fsr quality, 4k60 is easily achievable, even 90fps. Just look at the difference between the 7600 and 7700, its like 5% at 1080p with a 4090.

[@YakuGamingPr]

I have a question with my 5800x3D and 6950xt I running 300 fps an I change to the 7950x3d and don't pass 200 fps do I need to change my gpu?

[@YakuGamingPr]

In warzone

[@BravoSixGoingDark]

Which is better for RPCS3 Emulation at 1440p? 7600 or 7800X3D?

[@corentinrobin3513]

I feel like you're dodging the question by answering that way. You say "the 7800X3D is for those who want maximum performance". But that's the question - what is that "max performance" you speak of? What performance are you gaining over the 7600 at those resolutions? In fact I'd argue that if there's little difference, it's better to spend the savings on a better GPU since you'll be GPU bound anyways. Which is why the question needs to be answered with numbers.

[@inmypaants]

Pretty sure HUB have tested and presented this exact information with “numbers” previously. People ask questions that have been objectively answered. The X3D is faster than the non 3D, by a measurable margin. It’s also subjectively a better experience when CPU bound. The higher the resolution and/or GPU bound the less the CPU will matter. If someone is concerned about the cost and relative performance difference they should consume content from multiple sources and make an informed decision. Any current CPU is going to give a generally fine experience, people get too concerned about +/-% differences and should just play games and enjoy.

[@haukikannel]

In the long run… Quite a big At short run.. not so much.

[@Gw676]

A newbie here. May i knlw if a 5600x, 32gb ram and 7900xt will be good for 14440p. Playing on a 144hz monitor. Thanks in advance

[@samk7500]

If you intend to do high refresh gaming on a wide variety of games, I'd go up to the 5800x3d or a mid-range CPU from current gen. 5600x will be a bit of a bottleneck to that tier of GPU.

[@wakingfromslumber9555]

Yeah it will be a bit of a bottleneck on some games especially open world ones where cpu demand is higher like watchdogs legion , farcry 6 and the forest 2. I see a big uplift in those sorts of games going from 5950x to 5800X3D with an XT. 5800X3D is perfect card to compliment XT. But if you are playing more gpu bound games then there is very little noticeable difference as I was getting 100% GPU utilization with games like Shadow of tomb raider and horizon zero dawn with the 5950x (which is basically just as fast as a 5700X)

[@CargoShorts7]

Can someone please explain to me why the X3D chips make sense? I struggle to follow why anyone with a 4090, or even a 4080 or relatively fast and newer card, would play at 1080p on low settings in order to see the benefits of the X3D CPU. Am I thinking about this wrong? It just seems like the vast majority of people who spent $1k and up on a GPU are probably not playing at bottom tier settings/resolution. Then if the performance uplift of the X3D chip starts to diminish the more you go up in resolution, then what becomes the point or advantage over other CPU options? Am I just dumb lol?

[@anusmcgee4150]

Esports

[@PM-oq6ku]

Well, i want a CPU strong enough to handle future GPU upgrades. I just want to upgrade the GPU in the future not both.

[@Major774]

@@PM-oq6ku But eventually, lower end CPUs will keep up with older X3D version. Compare the 7600X and 5800X3D.

[@GennaiosFX]

so should I change my 7900x to 7800x3d with 4070 super at 1440p?

[@erickelly4107]

Personally, seeing as I use my PC for more than JUST "gaming" I went with the 12-core Ryzen 9 7900X which is just as good as the 7950X as well as the 5800X3D (varies a bit from game to game) at gaming while being more than capable (I don't run a business where time is so critical hence the reason I didn't go with a $580 16-core 7950X) in non-gaming work-loads for $420 USD. Plenty of ppl "game" as well as use their PC for other more CPU "core" intensive" task. Sure the 12-core 7900X loses to the 8 core 7800X3D in certain games generally when I'm already getting like 200+FPS @1440p on my 2K -240hz monitor / RTX 4090 but the difference between getting say 200FPS vs. 220FPS is a non-issue for me personally seeing as I don't game for a living and 12 cores is very useful outside of JUST "gaming" so paying less $420 for a 12 core 7900X vs. $450 for an 8 core 7800X3D makes a lot more sense. So if you want a CPU that is great OVERALL (Gaming + Production, etc..) the 12 core Ryzen 9 7900X at $420 is certainly one of the best deals currently. Yeah it cost more to "get in" but it's not like there are no advantages (AM5 / DDR5) to this. Resist the "crack high" of the "current thing" mentality (meaning how it matches up TODAY only) - it WILL come back to bite you in the ass later more often than not. Anyways, the RTX 4090 believe it or not isn't somehow "too powerful" for 1440p - It's not JUST a "4K card" as many seem to suggest. With maxed out settings + Ray tracing, etc. 1440p is more than enough to utilize the RTX 4090 while achieving far superior frame rates vs. the same settings at 4K. Personally I'd take 1440p@ 90+FPS over 4K / 60FPS any day of the week. I have both a 1440p - 240hz IPS Nano 10bit monitor as well as a 4K -120hz - OLED - VRR LG TV - 1440p / 240hz is my preference overall with my RTX 4090 - Ryzen 9 7900X - 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz/ 30CL system.

[@inmypaants]

I mostly game on my PC and when I’m not gaming it’s very general, light tasks. I side-graded from 5900X to 5800X3D and felt the improved smoothness in games I play at 270Hz 1440p and even desktop snappiness. I think there’s something to be said for having all the cores on 1 CCD personally, but that’s just been my experience.

[@erickelly4107]

@@inmypaants That was a good choice for your use case. 8 -cores is more than enough for most things. I could make do with 8 cores but I would just have to wait longer to do certain things. The "Best CPU" is the CPU that works best for YOU.

[@Ravix0fFourHorn]

overtime getting the 7800x3d is going to pay off better.

[@CargoShorts7]

Is the same true for the 5800X3D? Trying to decide between that and the 5900X to pair with my 10gb 3080. I will probably look to upgrade GPUs next gen before I look to upgrade to AM5

[@joshua7015]

Is 7800x3d sufficient for CPU intensive tasks like Nintendo Switch emulation? (games I legally own and dumped of course no piracy here haha)

[@CargoShorts7]

Did you ever get an answer to this? I'm trying to decide between a 5900X and 5800X3D myself and I'd also like to run some emulation too

[@jamesfoo8999]

The answer is as always, it depends. What games do you play, what resolution, do you care about FPS or eye candy... If you have a 3080 or less, only care about getting 60fps, don't play CPU intensive games, then 7600x makes more sense at half the price. The 7700x is pointless imo as the 7800X3D is usually only a 100 more. Given the difference between 7600 and 7700 the 7700 is a weird priced to performance CPU. People talk about GPU/CPU bound games but both are always used, so even if GPU bound and so CPU is around 40% use, a better CPU will run at lower power and % and thus lower temps. And of course if money is not object, just get the 7800X3D and enjoy life.

[@Madness801]

I honestly think the i7 13700k for 400 bucks and the ryzen 9 7900x for also 400 bucks gives better value than the 7 7800x3D for a extra 50 dollars i think you could get better ram or better case too for better temps and get even more value cuz ur paying 50 dollars more for a extra 20 fps 💀

[@MaxiimTribe]

The 7800x3d is now $370 USD, answer this question again.

[@Entearity]

I play at 1440p 240hz with a 4090 and can't decide if I want a 7800x3d anymore with the issues on AM5 that is happening lately or wait for intel 14th generation cpu

[@michaellvoltare]

What issues?

[@Entearity]

@@michaellvoltare 7800x3ds dying and motherboards dying as well

[@coolbvwes1]

Just manual set you're soc at 1.2 or like me at 1.15 v still 6000 mhz expo tuned heavily the ram

[@chy.0190]

It is if you play fps games, those 0.1 and 1% lows will be much better.

[@HablaConOwens]

I hope the 7800x3d gets a 4nm refresh instead of this BigLittle thing i hear for zen 5.

[@kapler8550]

Idk. Anything thats 5600 level or faster is enough for the vast majority of people. Everyone overestimates what they actually need, and they end up buying things that they WANT. I spend money on a 5800x3d and little later i got a gigabyte m28u (4k144hz) monitor powered by my 6800xt. I could use an r5 3600 in my system and still not notice a difference in perf. Imo if your at 6800xt/3080/4070 level or below at 1440 or higher, almost anything zen 3 will service you just fine. Ofc there are edge cases and certain games will benefit from the faster 3d chips but if everyone played those games they wouldnt be edge cases. And if you can afford to buy systems with 4080/4090 than this really isnt a question you need to ask yourself.

[@Sierraone1]

imho that's a short sighted take. When you buy hardware, you shouldn't just buy what you need now, but also what lasts you a couple of years.

[@luzhang2982]

No, it depends on what games you play. Some workloads clearly benefit MORE than others, and reviewers dont' cover every instance possible. But clearly SOME benefit WAY more than others. YMMV Ofc there's also nothing specifically wrong with buying what you want, so long as ou can afford it, when supply isn't constrained as you're not depriving anyone else anyway.

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

@@luzhang2982 this 100% i dont see the same uplift as i did last gen with the 5600x to 5800x3d VS 7600x to 7800x3d maybe its that im using the same games but have jumped way past seeing gains from 6900xt to a 7900xtx

[@kapler8550]

@@Sierraone1 not shortsighted at all. First, Games are built to run on the console. Any 8 core zen3 cpu is far more powerful than whats in the consoles. So am4 is still perfectly viable. Secondly, spending more money cause you MIGHT want something in 2-3 years time is kinda dumb imo. Cause you MIGHT not even be playing games anymore at that point. Its a toss up. You cant really predict where you will be in 2-3 years.

[@kapler8550]

@@luzhang2982yeah the new chips are faster. Thats not up for debate. And yeah if you can legitimately take advantage of the extra horsepower than you should get the new stuff if you can afford it. But realistically. Looking at the most popular games Most casual gamers don’t need more than a zen3 8 core.

[@BoringBryan]

would i notice if i swapped the 7800x3d for my 7900x at 4k on a 4090?

[@utkarshrajpurohit1554]

No

[@nsmilitia]

The last Amd I had was a phenom 965BE. Went with intel after that. Just upgraded from a 10700 to the 7800x3D. I’m quite impressed. Just stay away from the MSI b650 pro Wi-Fi. Worst bios I have ever used

[@Gofr5]

Playing 4k with a 7900XTX and Ryzen 5 7600. Can't say I'm missing the 7800X3D all that much honestly. I can wait for a 8800X3D or even a 9800X3D, depending on what the generational uplifts will look like, at 4k specifically. I mean, there's a reason CPU testing on games is always done at 1080p and anytime anyone asks for a 4k test, the response is always "it's pointless". It's pointless for a reason, right?

[@Bdot888]

More than capable for 4k. And like you said, you can wait another gen or two to upgrade when there will be a worth while performance increase

[@H20-Water-Pro-LLC]

I think TIM answered the question superbly. JK.

[@williamregal8503]

im playing at 4k 144hz i feel that sometimes the 3900x is holding me back

[@JBallLocs]

Yeah upgrade to the 7800x3D

[@dd22koopaesverde58]

@@JBallLocs or 5800x3d will be alot cheaper because no new ram and motherboard probably

[@SweatyFeetGirl]

5800X3D is like 60% faster on average than the 3900x, go for it

[@spacechannelfiver]

What games and what gpu?

[@ngaremla8198]

What you want is a GPU upgrade if you're playing at 4k.

[@KnottMee]

Just went from a 10700k to a 7800x3d playing at 3440x1440p @100Hz with a 4080 and 32gigs mem and there is absolutely no difference in fps, though there is a bit less stuttering. games i tested where cyberpunk2077,gta5,ghost recon wildlands, borderlands 3, the division 2, watchdogs legion, far cry 6, hellblade1

[@Major774]

Which is what they didn't want to say... GPU bound gaming resolutions, you only need a less expensive CPU that will keep the GPU going at 99/100%.

[@HamsterXFiles]

So I shouldn't upgrade my 10900K? Gaming a 1440p 240hz with 4080.

[@KnottMee]

@@HamsterXFiles If it's 2560x1440 I would say do it if you have the extra money and your playing older games, I tested it on my 2560x1440@165Hz and older games like Bordrlands3, gta5, GRWL's got a 20-30fps bump where as CP2077 only got 8fps and Black Myth only got a 10fps bump, but it seems that the 7800x3d is now hard to find, especially at the $350 price i paid. (the older games went from 100+fps to 120-30+ fps, they already had high fps...so it's up to you if it's worth it. if your at 3440x1440p i would say no)

[@REgamesplayer]

So many people are not happy with the answer, because they expect that Hardware Unboxed would do thinking for them and give them conclusive answers. To a question which was vague and demanded qualitative answer rather than quantitative one. Oh public, never change.

[@tundranocaps]

$250 is that much of a difference for an entire PC, yes. It can easily be a 20% increase in the price.

[@thenewjupiter]

The context is that he said if your GPU is something like a 4090.

[@EliPorterMahn]

The closing comment was super douchey, 200 dollars is alot extra for some people

[@apoc341]

12400 runs the top end GPUs at 4K with no problem as it’s mainly a GPU bottleneck. It’s at 1080p that the bottlenecks of a low end CPU comes into play if you have a high end GPU.

[@dd22koopaesverde58]

i5 12400f is mid tier 6 cores is the sweet spot for gaming and i7 or r7 is if you want the best perforance i think i9 is not worth for gaming only for productivity

[@Gofr5]

Agree. Running a Ryzen 5 7600 with a 7900XTX at 4k and not once have I felt like I needed a higher tier CPU. When I put my component stats up while gaming, gpu is usually sitting anywhere from 75%-100% use (depending on the game) and CPU is always in the single digits of use. It's doing so little at this resolution. Pumping hundreds of extra dollars into a component that barely hits 5% use is so pointless. It's definitely the lower resolutions that get more use out of them.

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

To be honest i felt i would get better uplift at 1440p with the 7600x VS the 7800x3d to the 5600x vs 5800x3d the only difference is the 5600x to 5800x3d was on the 6900xt red devil and the 7600x to 7800x3d is the 7900xtx red devil .. maybe GPU ?? maybe games .. basically same suite of games but dont know im not feeling the uplift i saw last gen if im honest !!

[@inmypaants]

I have a 7900 XTX too and I doubt it’s been held back a lot by a 5800X3D class and higher at 1440p. 4090 or 1080p 100% you would feel the upgrade more

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

@@inmypaants actually more to the point that the the up lift i had going from the 5600x to the 5800x3d while using my old 6900xt feels much better than the uplift i had going from the 7600x to the 7800x3d using the 7900xtx if that makes it a bit clearer.. basically same suite of games !! guess my point is im not seeing the real bonus with the 7800x3d VS 7600x even at 1440p !!

[@CargoShorts7]

Would you say the 5800XD is worth it when paired with a 10gb 3080 at 1440p? It's on sale right now for $359, but the 5900X is also on sale right now for $299, but I can't seem to figure out if I'd see any of that famed uplift with my particular GPU at 1440p.

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

@horts7 ur going to see better gains in gaming with the 5800x3d over the 5900x but as a overall production / games cpu and in games where cache isnt as needed the 5900x is the better buy .. but in games where cache is king the 5800x3d crushes the 5900x.. in 1440p you will see better gains because your not using all the gpu where as 4 its almost purely gpu bound

[@CargoShorts7]

@@volvot6rdesignawd702 Thanks for the advice! I ended up going with a 5800X3D and am glad I did so far. I also just picked up Helldivers 2, which seems to be decently CPU intensive, and while I'm not able to compare it to when my system had a 5800X, it feels real smooth with the X3D at 1440p. It also seems like games going forward will take advantage of the v cache more often too.

[@petarpozaric5165]

I have 7800x3d and 4070ti for 1440p. Everything runs smooth.😊

[@Angel7black]

Ok but tbf my 4070 Ti does the same with a 12700K. The 7800X3D really doesnt offer much over other Zen 4 or 12/13th gen intel chips or even a 5800X3D in gaming. While i dont think the 7600X is a good buy for… reasons… It certainly wouldnt hold you back in pure gaming at 1440p or 4K with current GPUs unless youre the one bonehead who bought a 4090 for 4K. Which is why its like, who is this for? At the end of the day its still a nearly $500 with tax 8 core 16 thread, and one that if you didnt buy the right motherboard with, might actually explode after a long enough period of time

[@petarpozaric5165]

@@Angel7black Main reason that i went with this system spec is because on full load pc is using around 335-350w of power. Here in eu , Electric power is quite expensive thing. Comapred to my friends system with 6950xt and 5950x he is using 600w on full power and he gets less fps in games. I have b650e aorus master mb and yes im aware of cpu soc voltage problems, havent turned on expo yet(i have g skill trident z neo cl301.35v) or done any undervolting. Yestereay i have installed new bios f5c,but i need to find time to fine tune system. I tried re4 remake and maxed out im getting aorund 120-30fps with ddr5 on base 4800mhz . Im happy with my purchase so far, but no one can tell what will am5 look in 2 years time. Im hoping to get at least one more cpu upgrade before switching to new platform .

[@NamTran-xc2ip]

@@petarpozaric5165I’m content with my 3070 laptop (10% faster than 3060 desktop), but if I were to build a pc today for longevity and price to performance in mind, I would go for the same combo. This combo can even do 4k comfortably. Even if you went with the 7600 you wouldnt notice much difference

[@Personalinfo404]

5800x3d and 3080TI here for 1440p and im in no rush to upgrade

[@Personalinfo404]

@@Pedro-jc4wl 5800x3d and 3080ti won't be obsolete for another decade. It will just eventually be relegated into being a "1080p gaming system" as games get more intensive to run. Hardware only gets "obsolete" if they literally don't run at acceptable resolutions gamers will accept. For example pretty soon a 4790k and a 980ti (an outstanding pair for 1080p when they were new) will soon only be able to run current and next gen games at 1080p low, then eventually 900p medium-high, and then it will be "obsolete". However I'm sure someone would low that hardware and it would slay at 720p ultra. But that's a niche of a niche of a niche.

[@NamTran-xc2ip]

⁠@@Pedro-jc4wlyou are completely right. Look at the 7800x3d review from hardware unboxed, the difference is like 10-15 % at 1080p. And those gains were from games thats already 100+ fps.

[@elu5ive]

resolution bottlenecks the GPU and doesn't have much to do with CPU, doesn't it?

[@wakingfromslumber9555]

The higher the resolution the lower the cpu bottleneck

[@elu5ive]

@@wakingfromslumber9555 why?

[@glens18account]

If a 8800X3D is released and around 30% better than the 7800X3D, then I can't see myself needing any more than that if I am on 1440p and eventually transistioning to 4k. Games will need to get much more CPU demanding before that level of power becomes a bottleneck at higher resolutions.

[@lichaytiram9246]

For now, 7800X3D still got bottleneck at 1080P and even 1440P so it doesn't so perfect CPU unfortunately

[@glens18account]

@@lichaytiram9246 depends on what games you play, but the 7800x3d gets 200fps in pretty much everything, I have a 240hz monitor so I don't see how anything more than a 30% increase from that is needed. I have no problem if the CPU is bottlenecking my system so long as I get over 150fps TBH.

[@wakingfromslumber9555]

I think I will skip the 7000 series generation , I don’t see a massive uplift in gaming performance from a 5800X3D to warrant a change in motherboard for now.

[@zenon3021]

upgrading from 5800X3D to 7800X3D will give you roughly 0% more FPS (since even the 4090 is GPU-bound at 1440p and 4k resolutions)

[@haukikannel]

One generation upgrades seldom makes sense! 6900XT is close enough 7900XT 5800x3d is close enough to 7800x3d I keep tree generation minimum between my upgrades. Four to five generation would be optimum. In my current build i Did go from 3700x to 5800x3d… because 5800x3d was the last and th best of AM4, so it was the end stop upgrade. If i would go to am5. I would take 7700 now and upgrade 10 10800x3d or what ever is the last chip for the AM5 plaform! 7700 is good enough now. And in the future the last x3d would give the longest life to my build. Computers are not cheap and the longer life you get from your platform, the cheaper it get divided by years of usage.

[@NamTran-xc2ip]

@@haukikanneli went from 8700k 1080ti 1440p to 7800x3d 4070ti 4k :))

[@portman8909]

7000 series is mainly for those that have a really old build or on intel. If you're on 5000 series you're not the main target demographic

[@portman8909]

It's game dependent and games like stellaris show much more than 0% fps gains.@@zenon3021

[@ihfbvlad]

7800x3d is the best gaming processor of all time, king of price to performance

[@nephilimslayer]

for 1080p and 1440p the 78003d is the best cpu but it costs 500 euros. the best cpu for 3440p and 4k is the 7700x because at that resolution only the gpu works

[@Alex_Verso]

7800x3d is 420€ )

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

No, because it might catch on fire. Also, $450 is way too much for a gaming cpu.

[@haukikannel]

And $3000 is just fine for gaming GPU?

[@portman8909]

Got mine for 350, hardly much money.

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

thats not too bad but you can still get a good gaming cpu for $200@@portman8909

[@bangyahead1]

It's not a tough one to answer.. You have a test bench to scientifically prove or disprover every single sentence in this clip/ There is no "probably" to it. Test the CPU's and GPU's at various resolutions and let the numbers do all the talking.

[@SuperEjizz]

7700x pairs well with my 4080 at 1440p

[@kurtb3260]

7700x/4070 is a superb 1440p rig and won't break the budget.

[@YzorYzor]

What people want to know is how big a difference does 7800x3d make for 1440p gaming (forget 1080p, 4K) compared to a cheaper "all round" CPU (e.g. i5 13600 or an i7 13700). The 7800x3d performs NOTICEABLY WORSE in most non-gaming related scenarios. Pairing an i7 13700K with a high-end 1440p capable GPU is a better choice than with the 7800x3d unless all you ever do is game and most people *DO* use their PC for other stuff as well (compressing files, productivity, etc.). The i7 13700k is $150 cheaper than the 7800X3D and does noticeably better at non-gaming stuff but not THAT much worse at 1440p gaming. A penny saved is a penny earned.

[@JayzBeerz]

only if you want your house to catch on fire

[@inmypaants]

😂

[@grimdicer152]

0:47 Iron man looking flamboyant 😂

[@mikem2253]

Meh I'm pretty damn happy with my 5600 and 7900xt combo. I play at 120fps due to my OLED LG C1 so its plenty good at feeding my GPU. Buy what you need people. You don't actually need the latest and greatest.

[@inmypaants]

You got one of those two covered with the 7900XT … “latest”

[@mikem2253]

@@inmypaants Only because my need required it. I was on a 1440p monitor on a 6700xt. Great card but I switched to the 4k OLED, so better GPU was required to drive it well. CPU did not need an upgrade though in my use case, so its untouched.

[@Gofr5]

Same here. Just running the 7600 with the 7900XTX at 4k on my tv also. Puts out 120 fps without a sweat and for slower paced games that don't need the higher refresh rate, I just drop it to 60 fps because why not save the power consumption when it's not required? That and my tv has a few (albeit minor) graphical niggles at 120fps.

[@wrusst]

Today's 1440p is next gens 1080p . So when a 5080/6070 comes out at least you got options. Sure you could just wait for zen 5 or intels next platform though .

[@nsuinteger-au]

it is like snake oil after some point... I'd rather spend the extra money on extra storage or even bump up the gpu before upgrading the cpu for few fps gains.

[@portman8909]

Because you're a casual gamer that isn't playing CPU demanding titles like Stellaris, Arma 3, DCS world and so on. But that's ok, this CPU is not for you :)

[@nsuinteger-au]

@@portman8909 Here is the thing... If I am using cpu demanding programs / games I would not even bother looking at 600/700 or even 800 series to begin with. The options could not have been any simpler in that case. The only thing would be just the tdp at that point. But i'd rather be looking at 900 series and running cooler than a hot 800. But hey! that's just me. ymmv

[@M41NFR4M3-]

7700x + 4070ti works just fine for me, in my case i think the x3d is a better cpu but its not 200 euro's better

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

3d v cache has always been a hit and miss system .. ive got the 5800x3d and the 7800x3d and put simply the 13900k is still when all is said and done the best of the best where it loses to games needing V cache it wins when its not.. like ive said in a few other posts ive not seen as good of gains between the 7600x and 7800x3d than what i did between the 5600x and 5800x3d .. so the 7700x could be the champion AMD cpu this gen !!

[@utkarshrajpurohit1554]

😂 yea

[@jankratochvil9779]

xtx+78003d , ultrawide 1440p.. I like it a loot.

[@christophermullins7163]

Beast. That's a lot for 1440p. You have a 240hz or higher?

[@jankratochvil9779]

165hz, but 3440x1440 is kinda tricky resolution sometimes close to 1440p sometimes very close to 4k.. it just depends on game optimization and sometimes on rt implementation. Some games are realy cpu heavy in 2023. Its kinda intersting especialy in case of console ports.

[@jankratochvil9779]

In case of many multiplayer titles its of course often overkill .. games like valorant with 500+ fps and so on :-)

[@christophermullins7163]

@@jankratochvil9779 I have 4k 144hz on a much older gpu. I still get 120fps or more on my fav games.

[@jankratochvil9779]

@@christophermullins7163 thats about it what are you playing and what settings are you using, I am not playing to much of older games anymore, time is very limited i just want new fresh great expyrience if there is some "free time", which is never cheap it was different back in time I played wow and only few other games as example pretty much 14years.

[@originalityisdead.9513]

Well that was a waste of time. I have no idea what that was, but it wasn't an answer to the question i know that much.

[@H20-Water-Pro-LLC]

The Iron Man V roll was very funny 😆

[@atanaszarkov9442]

Don't buy any X3D processors from AMD till the well known issue (cpu explodings :)) is resolved!

[@supreme5998]

There's a bios update. They're resolved.

[@joshua7015]

7800x2d for 1440 ultrawide 21:9 gaming 144fps

[@joshua7015]

3d

[@gucky4717]

First. :D Edit: CPU and GPUs performances are funny. The CPU only has a set amount of FPS at ANY resolution, while the GPUs has to work more and thus makes less FPS on higher resolutions. If a CPU has 90FPS in a game, the GPUs has lets say 120FPS at 1080p, 90FPS at 1440p and 60FPS at 4k in the same game. You can see in this example you need a better CPU at 1080p, to get the most out of your GPU. In 1440p it is even and in 4k you need a better GPU, to get the most out of your CPU so the other way around. As long as your CPU supports the FPS you want, you don't need an upgrade, regardless of your GPU.

[@zdspider6778]

That's not how it works, tho. At lower resolutions the GPU is done faster in processing the frame. So the GPU needs a beefy CPU to keep up and "feed" it more frames. The CPU is always the one running the show. At higher resolutions the GPU does most of the work and less CPU is needed, unless you're using ray tracing, then you're right back to more CPU being needed. A CPU cannot "have" 90 fps in a game, it doesn't do any rendering. It submits draw calls to the GPU. CPU performance isn't measured in fps. Fps itself is a shit metric, you want frame times (in milliseconds).

[@gucky4717]

@@zdspider6778 It was a dumbed down explaination to make it easier to understand. Frametime is just 1000 divided by the FPS...duh... You call it shitmetric, but it is the SAME. It is not like inch vs centimeter...

[@mikem2253]

@@zdspider6778 I think he is trying to say that CPU render time matters less as you move up resolutions, which makes sense.

[@jonathonschott]

Reading these comments, I don't see one person bringing up the fact that the 3090/ti/4090 has been shown to be cpu bottleneckd at 1440p, granted not the latest and greatest games, but with my 3090, if I play an older game, in some cases not that old, I don't want to be limited by cpu horsepower so I can enjoy that high refresh monitor I got to compliment my system. Besides. As far as the 7600x goes, modern games are being built around the latest gen console architecture and that is 8c/16t, not 6/12, so even at higher resolutions, the game architecture will make you leave performance on the table, even if it's just in your .1/1% lows. I've said it once I'll say it again, when they announced the specs of the ps5/xbx I knew 6 cores was on the way out for gaming, it will still be the 'good enough' solution for gaming for some time, but not the real recommend. Games are optimized for console first, that's where the money is at, and us pc gamers get the leftover table scraps, I think the recent track record of PC port releases shows that quite nicely. I necessarily think the x3d is necessary, but I do think it's worth the cost to extend the life of your pc, the 5800x3d keeping up with the 7000 series shows that

[@wakingfromslumber9555]

A 5800X3D is more than enough for 3090ti .

[@nivea878]

Its King of fire🔥 literally

[@DravenCanter]

As far as I know mmo games VR games(uncertain) Rts/management/factory games(Factorio, Satisfactory, Cities Skylines, Stellaris)

[@jasonWilliamson3d]

Yes it is

[@issaciams]

What a weird and useless answer.

[@ac3d657]

Since y'all get paid by AMD, I'd take your words with a barrel of sodium. non ce

[@thedaeron3877]

god ... how to make a 2:40 mins video and say nothing.... lol

[@Angel7black]

Honest opinion, the 7800X3D is awful for what your spending vs what youre gettings, disregard the ones exploding right now. Its a $500 with tax 8 core 16 thread. Atleast the 13900K makes sense in terms of youre buying more CPU for multithreaded applications. Meanwhile a 5800X3D or 12600K runs the same with a 4090 in 4K as it. So what are we doing here? It only makes sense at 1080p honestly and even then how many frames do you need? Who is even buying a 4070 or 6800XT for 1080p? Cause the difference between a 13600K or even a 7600 at 1440p with any gpu you would buy for a 1440p card like say a 3070 up to maybe even a 4080 is just, barely existent. Personally dont even think AM5 is worth right now and by the time it is, maybe zen 5 who knows, it really wont even have a life span over 14th gen boards. For a year now, the only thing thats made sense is to buy 12th or 13th gen intel, stay on AM4 and get a 5800X3D, buy a 7950X and ONLY the 7950X since its the best multithreader plus the price dropped now, or wait for zen 5 or 14th gen intel

[@portman8909]

Maybe you've just fallen for Intel marketing to believe having more than 8 cores is of any benefit to gaming. The higher cache size of the 7800x3D is the selling point and there are so many titles out there that love having that extra L3 cache.

[@JayZDenton]

1:12 SOON

[@truthseeker6532]

2023 = 1440p and 4k. 1080 should be dead. 2024 = 1440p almost dead for gaming (should be) while 4k is the norm. 2025 = 1440p dead (should be) 4k gaming only. 2025 = upscaling beyond 4k. 2027 = 4k dead (should be)

[@gruiadevil]

That's not a correct answer. You guys really need to invest in a bottleneck-calculator :)) The correct answer is: IF you do get the 7800x3D for gaming, you need to pair it with the 4090 for QHD gaming, as for 4K gaming, you need a 5090. If you have any lower GPU than these, you might aswel get a lower CPU, as they will have the same FPS.

[@utkarshrajpurohit1554]

U r commenting in the wrong timeline bro😂

[@mrshinobigaming8447]

Last

[@lichaytiram9246]

7800X3D still got bottleneck at 1080P and even 1440P so it doesn't so perfect CPU unfortunately

[@tempusfugit5388]

13900k any day.

[@memoryboy]

Why?

[@tempusfugit5388]

@@memoryboy cuz it's better and AMD is a dogshit company, I'll never buy any of their products ever again.

[@loll8796]

One is a toaster and another is a land mine

[@JBallLocs]

13900k is slow 😢 amd3D>shitel

[@Chris-qj5cs]

Sure, I'd have no problem with Intel CPUs if it wasnt for 3x more power consumption. GPU is already a space heater, dont need two of them in my PC.

[@OblivionDust2719]

personally i think 7800x3d worth it for 1440p, 4k tho.. nah

[@siewkimng1085]

7800X3D for 1440p will only be worth it with a TOTL GPU with a monitor that can deliver it.anything less than 6950XT you're better off with a 7700X. Also depends on what games you play.

[@OblivionDust2719]

@@siewkimng1085 I’m running it on Asus OLed and a 4090

[@inmypaants]

I think if you own a 4090 you don’t buy a CPU that’s slower regardless of how often it might matter. I mean, if the argument is you saved enough on the CPU to afford the 4090 then I would say that person doesn’t have the means to spend that cash on a what is essentially a toy. If you’re under 4090 then you have already made a price based decision and should continue with that logic and buy the CPU, PSU, RAM, Case Etc that provide the most performance for the dollar.

[@OblivionDust2719]

@@inmypaants I was gonna go with 13900k but I refrain from doing that since there’s no upgrade path. I went with AMD for the first time this generation and 7800X3D were the most compelling of all current AMD offering. Was gonna go with 7950x3d but I can’t be bothered with lassoing my whole system to get it to work properly, I’m a plug and play typ of guy.

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

I think there is very very small uplifts in some games at 4k that extra cache must help ( when the game needs it ) .. while ive got the 7800x3d 7900xtx as my main rig and very happy with it if i was building again i would go a 7700 non x and a 4090 !! i just cannot recommend intel to people because of the socket life span if it changed i would go intel myself because as far as there CPU's go they are solid even if hot little things !!