Is The Age of the Console Coming To An End: Peter Moore Has Questions

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[@dnc9952]

I like gaming on my sofa, with no setup fuss and playing great single player games.

[@yiannis777-l9c]

You can do that with a pc with a controllers in the exact same sofa.

[@dnc9952]

@@yiannis777-l9c for 500€ and just turn on and play?

[@1davidbboy]

@@yiannis777-l9chard disagree. PC has constant fiddling. Hardware support is super spotty too. PC HDR is also incredibly lacking. I only own PC now, but must admit I miss my Series X for the ease of use and its amazing HDR implementation.

[@yiannis777-l9c]

@@1davidbboy I agree with the hdr part, it's actually way better on consoles, but aside from that i don't see the issue, assuming all your drivers and software is up to date you shouldn't have problems with pc gaming

[@BigSnipp]

@@1davidbboyToday I played a PC game from my the same couch I play my Switch. Can you delete your comment since I proved it false?

[@seth4321]

Consoles are never going away because your average consumer wants to buy a box, plug it in, and play a game. I can tell you that out of my entire circle of gaming friends, I don’t think a single one of them could tell you what frame rate is. They probably couldn’t even tell you what SSD or HDD stands for. But they like CoD and Fortnite. I guarantee you they are representative of the mass market at large.

[@mindrover777]

😂 indeed

[@watchmehope6560]

Console gamers stupid. Pc gamer smart.- your source (trust me bro)

[@genericsavings]

Most people don’t want to get an associates degree playing their games; Just plug & play, boom. After setting up my steamdeck with all the emulators & all the necessary files, etc, I too, just want to play.

[@UKGeezer]

@@watchmehope6560 What's your point or do you just enjoy insulting people?

[@Ryuujin1078]

You could buy a modern gaming console and plug it in but before you can play, you need to do system updates, register for console, sign up for their online service, then when you’re ready to play the game, you have to update and install it. Gaming generations ago you bought the console, plug it in, pop in the game, turn it on and play it done. Instant gratification.

[@RhythmGrizz]

People have been doomsaying the end of consoles for the past 3 generations straight. Consoles will be fine.

[@anusmcgee4150]

I wish there was a way to overcome VR sickness. I don’t suffer from it (even during long sessions) but that right there is the future of gaming. And think of how amazing it would be if someone like Microsoft patched the Xbox Series X to support all the Windows Mixed Reality headsets that are out there

[@manuelrapino5917]

Consoles, and videogames, will probably transition almost fully to cloud services in the next 10 years. Lots of people are already using those kind of services with a good degree of satisfaction today, the path is clear, it's like with the DVDs and videocassettes, once technology is advanced enough to distribute the media you want companies no longer need to sell you dedicated hardware.

[@redcrimson1028]

The way how the industry is being ran now, with how the games are being made with less quality, always online, and console manufacturers putting their games on pc stupidly, which gives people less incentive to buy consoles and buy pc instead, then I'd say yes. Nintendo will be the only console manufacturer soon. They're the only ones doing things right. Look at the sales of the switch compared to other handhelds and consoles on the market.

[@RARufus]

I think cloud platforms will gain some market share for budget players, but there is inherent latency problems with cloud gaming that continues to be a large problem. You could use cloud compute resources to do things local consoles can’t do to sell the cloud gaming experience though. Either way there are still tradeoffs which depends on what consumers want as far as which one leads in the near future.

[@pliat]

@@anusmcgee4150just play vr, thats how you get vr legs.

[@MarcusMaximus909]

The millions of consoles sold say not

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

The benefit of consoles rarely mentioned is it offers a uniform global specification for developers. Developing games is hard enuff, a unified ecosystem removes a huge variable from the equation.

[@rezwhap]

Very true. The problem is that if PC is also a launch platform, that uniformity advantage is greatly weakened.

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

That's what happened to Dragon's Dogma 2@@rezwhap

[@gogreengameon2146]

Could still have the same uniformity with a cloud structure, whether that's PS, XBOX or Nintendo.

[@aaronclay4665]

@@rezwhapits not..........they develop it for consoles THEN port it to pc, this is why games such as Dragons dogma 2 plays FINE no problems on ps5 and xbox series X... but ppl on steam are haivng a hissy fit cuz game is chugging or crashing..(some of this is due to ppl on steam having weak as pc and theyd ont read the specs of the game but) sure a patch will fix it all sooner or later, but dont kid yoru self, any BIG games are dev for console then ported to pc, its why GTA 6 will be on consoles first and then pc 2 years later... pc is SUCH a hassle because how all the diff systems and brands...

[@rezwhap]

@@aaronclay4665 Sure, I agree with all that. The more that the dev/test for the console version is a separate/earlier effort, the greater the uniformity advantage. I guess I’m just skeptical that such a clean project separation would be common for simultaneous console/PC launches. 🙂

[@mdluk199]

Before the 360 & PS3 launched almost every tech journalist was predicting the end of consoles. Both consoles sold millions and then the PS4 & PS5 have done even better and let's not forget the Switch.

[@theshadowdirector]

Anyone remember when we went through this whole thing at the beginning of Gen 8? Everyone talking about how mobile was somehow going to be the all encompassing gaming replacement?

[@quentenburnett7296]

I think the tech has evolved to the point where it could happen now if hardware makers really wanted it to. You could have Steam Deck like systems that dock into a TV/Monitor but can detach and become portable. It wouldn't be the iPhone killing off consoles like people predicted before Gen 8, it would be the Deck.

[@ectoplasma5]

Or streaming.

[@mikeparrott8304]

@quentenburnett7296 I agree ,I think the Switch has shown how popular docking could be, fuse that with an even more powerful Steam Deck .....

[@mikeparrott8304]

@@ectoplasma5 Once the Internet is better , 10 years I reckon

[@theshadowdirector]

@@quentenburnett7296 a SteamDeck is still running PC games. The appeal of consoles for most people is the simplicity and having every game 'just work'.

[@StraightcheD]

We have the same debate every gen. Dejavu.

[@ddp5406]

The obligatory "consoles are irrelevant" conversation

[@madjoe8622]

They have to propagate the xbox fanboys and MS narrative. They all repeat what Phil says them to repeat.

[@Kivancli79]

As always, convenience is the key word here ... Your average Joe, or Mom & Dad, dont want to deal with bugs, updates, crashes, bad ports, PC parts, fiddling with game settings and whatnot, nor do they want to splash something like north of 1000 dollar for an decent gaming PC. They just want to walk into a shop (or order online), pick up the gaming console box, check-out, drive home, unbox, put it under their 4K tv, turn it on, crash on their couch, put their feet on the table and start playing. Thats it. All that just for between 450 and 550 dollars. Nevermind streaming games is still not up to par this day when it comes to latency and lag. So, no ... consoles are not going away anytime soon.

[@egomaster76]

Yes, because consoles never have bugs, updates, crashes and bad ports, and "between 450 and 550 dollars" doesn't factor in payments for playing online, which is free on PC. The reason for playing on consoles should be preference, not ignorance.

[@bigde131]

Don’t even waste your breath. Pc fanboys/elitists will NEVER admit the truth.

[@StraightcheD]

@@egomaster76 Less time is spent troubleshooting on consoles for sure.

[@XWXS2]

​@@egomaster76 lmao yeah console is plug and play unlike pc that's the reason why you play a console to not f around with the problems that pc comes around mind blowing what? 🤯

[@Eric15837]

@@egomaster76 Consoles might have bugs and updates, but they're usually minimal, and if a console game doesn't run AT ALL, that is a catastrophic situation that almost never happens, while on PC that can happen all the time. So you = wrong.

[@chadwolf3840]

Lol…as long as nvidia is charging 1k+ for video cards, consoles aren’t going anywhere

[@xKillZone99]

gaming industry would go down without consoles

[@Pow3r-Up]

Considering PS5 has already surpassed SNES sales, I would say no. The sheer awfulness of PC optimization lately doesn't help either.

[@accountteam9859]

I don't see games running at lower than 1080p as base resolution and un unstable FPS with screen-tearing on console as "optimization".

[@Pow3r-Up]

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[@Pow3r-Up]

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[@Pow3r-Up]

Whatever you say! 😆🤣😂🤣😆@@accountteam9859

[@paulsegrue5133]

​@@accountteam9859Take Starfield for example superbly optimized to 30hz on Xbox😂. The game plays and looks much better on my PC desktop, I find such a low framerate unplayable on my Series X.

[@TatankaTaylor]

Consoles were created as a cheaper alternative to Arcade & PC gaming. Arcades are mostly gone & building a beefy PC is still expensive, so consoles are still needed. IMO, Since Nintendo doesn't make electronics or PC software like Sony or MS does, if things go South, Nintendo will probably be the last console maker to go down.

[@aaronclay4665]

there was no "pc gamign" back when consoles were created......it was made to put the arcade in your living room.. and Sonys playstion makes that company the most money..........if playstion fields sonys done(for the most part) they have TONS OF DIVISONS that actively lose money and the moive,playstion and tv are the only things holding them up.

[@ddp5406]

​@@aaronclay4665there absolutely was pc gaming when consoles were around...it was just too expensive and niche for anyone to remember

[@maymayman0]

Phones didn't exist then though. Not saying consoles aren't what consumers want but... they're not "needed" they're just popular because phones didn't show up first

[@ddp5406]

@@maymayman0 people dont want to play aaa games on their phones...or else this generation wouldnt of even happened

[@redcrimson1028]

Exactly!!!!! Smart guy you are. I said the same thing in my comment above. Nintendo are the only company doing it right. Just look at thr popularity and sales compared to its competition. Nintendo will be the only ones standing in thr end while Sony follows xbox into pc. Sony fell into Microsoft trap.

[@fcukugimmeausername]

Not while highend PC parts are so expensive. The new Pro might cost me $1200AUD, but a 4080 Super alone will cost me $2200.

[@CaptainSkuzzy]

You don't need a high end PC. My 2080 from 2019 on a 1080p system still runs most games at 60FPS at max settings with no problems. A 4080 is overkill. I have a 4090. It's absurd overkill. I'm future proofed for 4K games for like the next 4 years.

[@tomohawkcloud]

@@CaptainSkuzzy2080 is obsolete now. Especially with these broken pc ports.

[@SaggyWaggy-is8it]

​@@tomohawkcloudno the fuck it ain't lmfaoo 🤣 Get your goofy ass outta here lol

[@Fernando-Rodriguez]

10 years from now the 4080 super will consistently run your games at least at 1080P 30 FPS while on consoles you will have a mess as the console ages. investing in a PC makes sense in the long run because you can run way more games that what's possible on current generation of consoles not to mention that the multiplayer is FREE when you own the game.

[@mauriciosalazar2289]

​@@Fernando-Rodriguezat the time of release, building a PC that runs like a consolo cost more than buying all 3 consoles and on top of that PC sucks at HDR

[@TypicallyUniqueOfficial]

They say this every generation, yet every console generation PlayStation and Nintendo kill it with console sales.

[@QtmLeap]

As a primarily PC player, consoles are the backbone of gaming. Most entry level gamers are going to start on console plus the ease of use on top of price to performance ratio there really is no beating consoles for the average consumer.

[@G4M3RGU1D3]

millions of console are being sold each year, how can it come to an end?

[@alvallac2171]

*Millions *consoles (plural) *year. How (to fix your comma splice run-on)

[@G4M3RGU1D3]

@@alvallac2171 thank you, but I'm writting while taking a dump so my syntax is shit like everything else

[@lalo4ever22]

If the software doesn't match the same in sales what's the point. Especially how expensive AAA games are.

[@watchmehope6560]

​@@alvallac2171thank God you fixed it. I couldn't read it HURDUURR.

[@willnatmartin]

Basically the age of Xbox is coming to an end, but DF can't say that. Sony and Nintendo are doing great!

[@DalazG]

Consoles have generally brought in new industry standards. So i don't understand these people crapping on it. - vibration in controllers - advanced haptics - motion control - local co op (although that's dying) - fast ssds - strong ips To name a few, pc also is such a variable platform that the base target has always been the console otherwise it will be even more smaller improvements Personally i don't have the time to mess around with a pc and i like to seperate my work from leisure

[@spazzy_cripple_dance_fart_goal]

Pundits have talked the death of consoles since the PS2.

[@DennisBolanos]

I’ve always liked how consoles set the minimum standard for what players can expect from a gaming system. Each iteration establishes a new baseline of acceptable performance.

[@redcrimson1028]

True, but that has always been the point of consoles from the very beginning of time. Consoles were always designed to be a cheaper and more affordable alternative to PC.

[@blazedyoda8608]

PS4 pro and Xbox one x are the standouts here. Why would anyone buy a series x in 2020 if they bought a one x in 2019? It’s essentially pointless.

[@RARufus]

Also, having a common hardware target enables software optimizations and some gameplay options that would otherwise be prohibitively expensive to implement with many hardware variations.

[@peterfox6159]

⬆ THIS ‼

[@Globalo45]

Yep, if console go away. Game dev will stop innovation because they isn't a hardware to maximize

[@anvior45]

I love PC... But, you know... Things like games not launching, and you google and there is no real clear answer why. You use your own experience and you find out information from other people, who had similar issues in another game and then you start experimenting with adding starting parameters to the game and then... You get it to work! Great. This all worked out because i am that guy, but someone who just wants to have a good time playing games?

[@yewtewbstew547]

This is real lol. PCGamingWiki is your best friend, but yeah... sometimes you do just run into a problem and have to figure everything out yourself.

[@kevinkev1530]

Exactly

[@0FFICERPROBLEM]

PCGamingWiki is the cleanest resource for it, it's a marvel. But yeah, most people don't want to spend time on tinkering like that.

[@XWXS2]

Yes and that's my problem with pc actually it's not a real problem at least for me and I am also that guy but this is one of the big reasons I don't wanna play on pc anymore because it costs too much time and joy when you wanna play your favorite games on day one and you have problems with litteraly zero explanations for it.

[@nhanon67as]

Yup. I’m a software engineer and as long as it’s windows I’m just not going to enjoy the experience. It’s buggy as hell and I’ve spent hours trying to get stuff to work. Ps5 never gives me that problem

[@iknown8]

Microsoft: " We are in last place selling consoles...Of course we dont want any consoles!"

[@theanimaster]

Microsoft saying game consoles are going the way of the Dodo? They surely speak for themselves.

[@The_Goddess_Minerva]

A wise person once said don't let the door hit you on the way out

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

The bigger danger is more, samey games, across various genre, fewer 'new' (and therefore "risky") I.P. and a prevalence of games as a service, iterative content that locks players into a pay as you go microtransactional hellscape.

[@40Sec]

This is definitely a valid take. Developers moving towards making games strickly for profit rather than as an art form and because they enjoy it is a major concern with recent comments from the corporations that own many of these studios.

[@quentenburnett7296]

Indie devs have stepped up more than ever in recent years. They make the niche games that AAA studios won't, and they usually don't have microtransactions either. The only issue with indie titles is that they usually don't push the hardware very far. If in the future gamers get fed up with AAA and mostly go to supporting indie titles then there will be less need than ever before for newer consoles and PC gaming hardware.

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

@@quentenburnett7296 Hmm, I see what you mean, but those same indie devs, becoming familiar with new techniques etc, wont have to spend lavish sums to get really great looking games with all the bells and whistles in them. They just need to make sure that the STORY and the accompanying gameplay mechanics complement the visuals, and deliver something players will want to play if only to say I played that game, I experienced that story and I appreciate the devs that made it.

[@40Sec]

@@quentenburnett7296 - Which would also be unfortunate. Indies have unfortunately also been playing it just as safe as big devs in many ways with the ridiculous amount of Metroidvanias and roguelikes that have come out in recent years. I really hope devs find a way to keep both the indie space and the AAA space interesting. Many of us love advancements in graphics and the new art that makes possible , and we don't mind the occasional upgrade necessary to keep up with demands.

[@jamesgreen2495]

Xbox can end if it wants but playstation actually cares and understands about games and gamers.

[@GhostonYoutube201x]

is that why they are pumping heavy money into live service games that have flopped apart from helldivers?

[@TechRyze]

While they can sell 80-150 million units, and 30 million+ copies of one game, they'll stay on the market. Average Joe largely has no idea about 4K60 DLSS, so it's silly that they're making their own arms race towards tech that most of their customers can't really take advantage of. Make good games that people want to buy. For example, it would be possible to make a version of GTA 6, based in Vice City, that runs using the Xbox 360's GTA V technology. If this game was released 10 years ago, it would sell bucket loads, just like Vice City sold bucket loads one year after GTA III. GTA VI wont sell less units if it doesn't support ray tracing or 8K. I doubt that the next Mario Kart will support ray tracing. They're great technologies, but we've gotten a little carried away with lighting and pixel count, when these are top-end features. If everyone's priced out by £500+ consoles at the cheapest, then there will be issues. Power users need a high end machine, but average Joe really needs a £300 box to play the latest FIFA.

[@alvallac2171]

*won't (different meaning and pronunciation)

[@conorturton]

Over 80 million PS5s and Xbox Series consoles have been sold halfway through this generation and that's despite a global pandemic causing a chip shortage that limited availability at the start. Doesn't sound like something coming to an end.

[@ravf458]

in one word: NO! Its like saying the 100+ million gamers on consoles are gonna play on PC or some TV/hardware hybrid and that will never happen. Instead Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo will be more like software publishers that offer games on MANY devices, including a smaller niche of first party consoles

[@aaronclay4665]

its over 300 million if you add ps, xbox and switch......

[@glenmcl]

No. They will grow old and die. Teenagers are not playing consoles. Consoles will be dead in less than 20 years. Probably 10-12.

[@Belkan2087]

​@@glenmclPeople say that since the ps2....

[@IronicSonic83]

Consoles will be alive even if just for convenience alone

[@Sonofabyss]

Everything is too damn expensive!

[@edge60able]

Buy a switch

[@Wes_Trippy4life]

Bidenflation 😁😅🤣

[@christianr.5868]

​@@edge60ablethat thing hasn't had a price drop in 7 years and neither has its games. It's a better deal to get a series s

[@mmarshfairc3]

@@Wes_Trippy4lifethe economy understander is here everybody

[@toastedafk3217]

Gonna be worst for next gen, I’m guessing about 700-800 for the next gen consoles

[@johnrussell8086]

Will we ever see the Panasonic model of having a one size fits all like the 3DO? A unit that fits all services rather than separate priority ones we see with Xbox and Sony? Like a smart service on a TV but the device works with all? We are reaching the point that a console is resembling a PC so having a choice of different tier model could be the way. I hope I've explained that right. 😅

[@nathandts3401]

Convenience is going to keep consoles in business for decades to come.

[@juniormynos9457]

Nintendo is the best example of console sustainable relevance. They somehow manage to make completely novel ways to play games every generation with almost always overwhelming success.

[@funkyronin8694]

Satya Nadella should just keep quiet he clearly doesn't understand the gaming industry😂

[@DukeStallion]

Actually I think he does. He knows that the direction the gaming industry has been going the past decade has to change. Sony doesn't realize this or they think they can stick to the old ways of thinking and that's why they keep having to close studios and lay people off from their biggest 1st party studios. Nadella knows that console hardware sales don't make any money. Hence the push on services, subs, smaller less expensive services games such as Sea of Thieves and Grounded, throwing a Trojan Horse into the competitor's ecosystem (COD, SoT, HiFi Rush, etc). They aren't even half the install base of PS but they are making more revenue and profit. Nadella is playing a long game of chess while Sony playing checkers.

[@marcuswestbrooks5768]

Not for PlayStation and Nintendo.

[@brainwashedburgerworshipper]

nintendo will definitely be fine

[@hossein5979]

If consoles die gaming industry will die

[@ryanperrault8174]

The problem isn't the consoles....its the games being made for the consoles and the people in control of those games. They are making bad money decisions and bad gaming development decisions and then blaming fans when those screw up....almost every company is doing this right now.

[@343ishill]

Console gaming isn't coming to an end until, PCs are as cheap and as simple as consoles.

[@accountteam9859]

They're as simple since Steam & Epic Games introduce their Gameworks to install everything you need to launch a game during installation so you don't have any issue and you can get an equivalent PC for $700 that actually gets better performance sometimes with an RX 6700 and R7 3700X and end up being cheaper because you don't need to pay for Online and you can buy games on different launchers with different sales.

[@CNM3]

Consoles are here to stay for at least a few more decades even if it just becomes a streaming stick. Until PCs are as easily accessible as consoles there will still be a healthy market for them.

[@mindrover777]

May be for the next 50 years or so

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

Maybe they can develop hardware to contain my consciousness - so I get to work toward completion of my Steam backlog post-death. That would be useful.

[@DirranProductions]

Oh my goodness, probably how long it'll take.

[@denvernaicker8250]

Video consoles transitioned the arcade experience into homes, but arcades have been torn down with lack of participation and with that those games and gameplay styles dwindle with each generation of videogame consoles. I feel those experiences were more creative and innovative to get players spend their coins on a new experience or challenging experience and it was building communities physically face to face. Replaced by impersonal online toxic chat for not being good enough to play a game, which is more egotistical testosterone driven.

[@StraightcheD]

That's more on PvP side. Something like Hell Divers 2 isn't toxic. But yeah *some* games live down to the stereotype you described for sure.

[@rinkumultani6515]

I really hope that age of digital frourdry comes to an end so they cant make any more console wars and people can go back to enjoying gaming like they use to before they started this BS

[@khoulwhip]

I think as many people have said, 4k resolution with stable 60fps, even with ray-tracing, is probably going to be enough to sell people on the next console, if the next console is truly able to deliver on that. Adding accelerator hardware for AI and physics to offload those workloads from the CPU will probably help a lot with the "CPU limited" problems that we are starting to see more in modern games (although, a lot of that may be coming down to unoptimized code).

[@TheAtomoh]

Here in Italy consoles will never die. Some people don't even know that games can be played on PC.

[@mindrover777]

Really😅

[@sanishnaik2040]

Game developers will build their game around the consoles that are present. Obviously they have to. And once there is a need for ps6, there will be a ps6.

[@GhostonYoutube201x]

there will be a ps6 when AMD decides they want to give hardware for a ps6, tech companies will leave console silicon as last resource as selling pc parts and ai is much more profitable per silicon

[@dominiclane8538]

It will be the end of gaming if so . Most people can not afford to spend 1500pounds or what ever your currency is to just play a video game . Its ridiculous and will just make gaming a class issue

[@FROSTB4NE]

I'm hoping for handheld PCs to become more powerful and affordable, a steam deck/switch like device that uses ai upscaling etc.

[@DeadPiixxel]

you can build a PC for $700-800 it's only expensive you make it that way.

[@samuelatkinson5249]

Factor in a decent monitor, most people already have a tv in their family room, which also reduces entry cost.

[@dominiclane8538]

@@DeadPiixxel oh right ,not one that's worth building you can't. Stop kidding yourself .

[@GhostonYoutube201x]

@@dominiclane8538 well considering i upgraded to 7800x 3d and 7800xt cpu and gpu combo and managed to get all with motherboard and ram for 900 pounds, i have no reason to change anything else had my psu since 2013 and works fine. you've had ps4 and ps5 since for sure it's more expensive but with steam and 3rd party sellers of gamers at massive discount i've made my money back and some of owning a pc not a console.

[@user-cg8fs2ck2u]

Just because the Xbox is less relevant doesn't mean consoles are dying out

[@moister3727]

As long as PC are more out of reach for the average joe (both for the technical and economic side) consoles will still have a place on the market. But nowdays pre-built PCs exist, laptops exist for ease of use to not be bothered to built a whole pc from scratch. While still not as cheap as a console, it would end up being cheaper at a long run. Many options to build and mix, so I can't see why people can't get into PC gaming nowdays compared to consoles. Though, I get the appeal consoles have compared to PC. So I think they're going nowhere, may be the next generation would be the last lf they don't come up with something new.

[@934ist]

Console have so much room to evolve like they mentioned, and with continued improvement of VR tech.

[@AzaiaMonota]

VR tech has basically froze because so many people chose to invest in cheap crappy inside out tracking headsets that limit tracking capabilities while headsets like the Valve index allow for fullbody tracking with full 360° tracking headsets like PSVR2 and Quest 3 lose tracking if you so much as put your hands behind your back or head

[@mikeparrott8304]

VR hasn't been very popular. It looks to me that Sony will "Vita" it

[@delacroixx]

Nobody cares about VR, it's a dead end.

[@tomohawkcloud]

VR will stop being a niche when we can go fulldive

[@mclarenrob2]

PSVR2 is a quality headset and still nobody wants it. I never even use mine. VR is not a big seller.

[@mikeparrott8304]

It needs games .

[@gamemannoob]

More like true next gen games

[@Wiiillllson151]

PC gamers- "Exclusives suck" Also PC gamers- "Playstation has no gamers". There are plenty of games, some gamers just lack a bit of creativity in their lives.

[@glenmcl]

​@@Wiiillllson151I play everywhere. PS5 is terrible.

[@Wiiillllson151]

@@glenmcl Is it.... because from where I sit there are plenty of games that are selling PS5! Join any Helldivers, GT7, Nms community page and there are people either putting off upgrading or flat out converting to console.

[@Wiiillllson151]

@@glenmcl I've been gaming for 35years and I'm telling you you're lieing!

[@lurkingsoldi2107]

Console are simply a much better value for gaming than PC. To get the same performance on PC you need to spend at least 2-3 times as much as a console

[@akashj8204]

I've recently started dabbling in modding, and have to say that as much as I love the ease of use of console the sheer joy I felt when I successfully installed a mod to make my character look the way I like or making the game camera shift to my preference or even using reshade, is immeasurable. Because of that I am thinking about not waiting for ps5 pro and just upgrade my pc a bit more.

[@TheProphegy]

Most gamers like to sit in front of their TV and play games. Not sitting at a PC, having to drop tons of money to keep it upgraded, every game you play having cheaters because PC don’t have the security of consoles, etc. Nah I’m good.

[@BigSnipp]

You can hook your PC to the same TV you play console games.

[@richard-davies]

Still plenty of cheaters on console, I'm mainly a PC gamer and use an Xbox controller so you can certainly sit on the sofa in front of a large TV or even lie in bed and play games which is no different than a console.

[@nhanon67as]

@@BigSnippI’ve done that. Plenty of issues occur there too. Need to hookup a switch which can cause issues with Windows buggy implementation of HDR. Windows always has issues connecting to controllers on startup so I have physically go to my pc to turn it on. You’ll need a Bluetooth keyboard that you have to move back and forth from your desk to your couch which is big and bulky. Then suddenly your game doesn’t start, now you have to back to the desk so you can read forums and debug. It’s not the same experience as sitting on your couch, grabbing the controller and pressing the PS button. Way more goes into it.

[@whitefata104]

Imagine gtav sold more than 200+M and switch sold 140+M. Yet some people think console is dying😂. Because you're aging and your environment moving from console/game to normal hobbies. Doesnt meant the world doing same🤭

[@himgod6495]

I don't understand why anyone would choose a digital copy over physical unless it's on Nintendo switch.

[@theuncanspan]

Consoles will never die, end of.

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

Responsive A.I. powered NPC that act and react (almost) like a player would be a game changer in a lot of genre. Would (and could) revolutionize the Co-Op experience, and the Multiplayer experience.

[@quentenburnett7296]

Or even just use AI language models to give NPCs more than 2-3 lines.

[@duncanmacleod7287]

I'd rather have more linear games than open world full of generic areas, procedural generated crap and NPCs that behave like chatbots. When I pay for a game I want something unique not generic and forgetable.

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

@@duncanmacleod7287 I agree, the problem is that finding that something unique and unforgettable is becoming harder and harder. And sometimes a more linear take on a story, an adventure is just the right choice. Too many of these supposedly "open worlds" are filled with busy work, fluff and filler between the story beats to give a player 'something to do' while exploring the world. Have they ever considered the possibility that just exploring and finding scenery, and vista's without all the busy work might serve them better?

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

@@quentenburnett7296 And not have a line repeat itself, would be nice! Even coding for expressive body language would give the spoken word a bit of oompfh for A.I. powered NPC.

[@ryue5626]

The moment consoles go streaming only thats it they will both die because nobody wants that, they will go the way of stadia if they do that

[@kevinschmidt9482]

I bought a top of the line gaming laptop a couple years ago. While the graphics are phenomenal I do purchase pretty much all games I plan on playing at home on my xsx. Needing to deal with constant updates, multiple launchers and weird performance issues are so annoying it prevents me from investing in PC gaming more consistently. Sometimes I want to sit down a play for an hour without any drama. For example I just started replaying horizon zero dawn before I start forbidden west. I had to spend 2 hours trying to figure out why I was getting a stutter every 2-3 seconds and the screen was flickering. After getting so frustrated that I almost just gave up, I remembered this happened before and I had to turn off wifi. Once I did that everything works great. By this time the free 3 hours I had was wasted and I was barely able to get through the prologue before I had to go. Even though I figured that out, now I have to go into settings and cycle borderless/Fullscreen a couple times to get the performance where it should be every time I boots.

[@accumulator5734]

Saying you’ll have to convince people to buy the PS6 is like saying you’d have to convince people to leave their station wagon behind for a Lambo 🤦🏻‍♂️, gamers always want the latest and greatest.

[@conor6436]

Probably not- PC compnents to get similar or better performance are more expensive and not getting any cheaper. What does need to end is the ballooning AAA budgets and development times

[@jiegokoji]

it is not expensive at all. Maybe for first year of console generation

[@brianm2238]

theres always gonna be people who would rather play sitting on a couch..

[@c523jw7]

This again. You can buy smaller PC cases and use controller and connect PC to a tv. This argument is archaic, uninformed and just ridiculous in 2024...in 2015

[@vagamer522]

@@c523jw7have you seen how dogshit PC UI looks like dogshit when blown up on a TV?

[@yiannis777-l9c]

@@c523jw7 shhh, they don't know computers can use all kinds of controllers and displays, they think they can only game on monitors with mouse and keyboard on a chair.

[@DSN262]

I've heard this before from console gamers. I'm shocked at how uniformed they are

[@c523jw7]

@@DSN262 absolutely mind blowing how uneducated they are. We have PlayStation fans thinking they were getting a NVIDIA high end GPU on the pro consoles on one spectrum then others saying things like this. Stay on console but don't complain about the 30fps and crap resolutions which every single console keeps delivering.

[@alonsohidalgoamatyleon6655]

I have a capable gaming rig (4070), a ps5 and a series s I got as a wedding present (lol). Somehow I keep going back to the series S. it’s super small so I have it properly concealed as a book in a small bookshelf I have next to my big screen TV (not covering any vents obvs). I figured I was going to use it just as a TV box for streaming apps. Yet having Dolby vision and Dolby atmos in gaming and offering a more than decent current gen experience plus gamepass ended up drawing me. The other thing is quick resume. I can keep my fifa, Alan wake and halo sessions going at the same time they won’t even disappear if I unplug the console. I spend most day at my study so going back there to play on the PC on my free time feels wrong. I’m basically using the PS5 just for exclusives. So yeah, I think consoles have a future if they focus more on the convenience of a TV box. That means: small and adaptable

[@axa993]

Consoles will never die, it's just they will evolve, we'll get more pricing tiers (low, mid, high end), back compat and forward compat will be a thing and that's it. Shift into a subscription model even more... Future is multiplatform.

[@glenmcl]

Kids aren't playing consoles. It's all phones and tablets. Consoles will die soon enough.

[@romxxii]

The bestselling console game last year was on the Switch. It's not about performance. It's about games that people will play

[@michaeljohn2826]

True from a sales and adoption perspective. But their is also quite a large proportion of people (to large to ignore) that really enjoy progress, technology, capability and the methods to produce and consume those games differently than what has gone before, although if that is for better or worse is what creates discussion and content like what we enjoy here on this channel

[@TheSurfheart]

I’ll never game on PC again, did it for 20 years and got tired of all the extra work they need

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

hard same

[@MysticalGesture]

I still see new consoles coming out. It's Like Reggie Fils-Aimé said "It's all about the games , sure other companies have power and specs but do they have compelling enough games to stay afloat"?

[@curryking1]

Peter Moore's consoles are dead that's true but nothing else

[@iOnRX9]

stop expecting a $3-499 box to compete with pc graphics

[@InhalingWeasel]

Honestly, if Sony and Microsoft can pull off 60fps at 4K, most people would be happy with paying $599 instead of wasting the same amount of money just for a video card.

[@madarasoun3018]

Exactly.

[@ismo9529]

Stop putting all pc's in the same category, a $500 box can definitely compete with a $500 pc. At the start of the generation you had to spend at least a K to get the same performance, now I would say it would be around $600. The moment consoles will hit 4k60 on a regular basis or even 4k120 there's not really a reason not to buy one. Especially if it stays around the 500 bucks.

[@DeadPiixxel]

@@InhalingWeasel you can build a pc for $700-800 not all gpus cost 1k

[@ReckluseMusic]

So ps5 is outselling PS4 and the switch is a huge success and your conclusion is consoles are dying. Alright.

[@Taker415]

If they stop consoles I retiring from gaming.

[@mahavakyas002]

Olie spelled it out in the beginning - it's trending towards "GAAS" - Gaming as a Service where gamers will pay a monthly subscription to utilize very powerful PCs in the "cloud" to play their favorite games. No need to have a local "machine."

[@jollama]

The day consoles die is the day I switch hobbies

[@MD-se8ft]

Just get a pc, if your going to switch the hobby then do it because of shitty ports, paying for online and how greedy the industry is now.

[@kurisu3000]

Lol ok

[@jollama]

@@MD-se8ft 4K Blu-Ray and manga are the other hobbies I’d switch to. Not interested in dropping 4+ figures to build a gaming PC

[@TheProphegy]

The day consoles die is the day major games die. Where do you think a majority of the profits come from for multiplat games? You’re going to see budgets be cut by like 75-80% if that happened.

[@cadizking8161]

​@@TheProphegy most gaming profit right now is in Mobile and PC gaming.

[@ballandpaddle]

The "radical gameplay innovation" is VR. Boneworks is a game unlike anything I've ever played. Half Life: Alyx feels like what that series was always supposed to be. Even a simple lightgun shooter is a whole new thing when it's Gunclub VR. You don't need huge teams to make these smaller games, and there are entire new game control paradigms waiting to be explored that simply aren't possible with "flat" games. After 50 years of joysticks and gamepads, maybe there just isn't much left. I think all that's really holding back VR is a comfortable headset.

[@formulaic78]

It's simply the headset. I have a rift and have played Alyx etc. VR is awesome. But you also have to set it up and be willing to stand while playing and even just mentally steal yourself to enter a new world basically, all of which is more bothersome than turning on a screen. But when they are simply a pair of glasses it will go mainstream.

[@SaggyWaggy-is8it]

Maybe in 10 years

[@coolmacatrain9434]

You don't have to stand up ... I sit down with all the games I play in VR, what's the point in standing when you don't walk/move anyway?..... in the future when they figure out how to make you walk ( some kind of shoe or small walk-pad or something) believably & comfortably (and cheaply) then I'll stand up, but until then I prefer to sit. PS Resident Evil 4 (2005) in VR beats every 2D flat screen game on the Xbox series X or PS5 into a cocked hat!@@formulaic78

[@AzaiaMonota]

@@coolmacatrain9434 Omnidirectional treadmills are already a thing for VR they are very expensive though

[@G360LIVE]

VR isn't a radical innovation. I remember when VR was a thing back in the '90s. It's cool. It has it's fans; it has its market, but it's not this innovation that's going to take over gaming.

[@MazdaChris]

I think what feels different about where we are right now is that, in the past, the argument has always been that consoles would die out because people would no longer want the experience that a console delivers. Be it because of mobile games, etc etc. I think the difference here is that we're getting close to a point where the experience you get from a console could be provided through an online service direct to a smart device like a TV or PC. There are still issues around connection speeds currently, and investment into enormous server farms to power Stadia-like services at the scale required, but I can see it being a possibility in the future. Rather than being locked into a specific hardware ecology with fixed specs for 6+ years, you get to play the latest games at the highest detail and fidelity, for a monthly cost that's a fraction of what you might have spent on a console and physical media. Already you can see a shift towards people no longer buying physical copies of games. At what point does the game itself just become another online service? People didn't stop buying CD players because they stopped listening to music. They stopped buying CDs because streaming services are much much cheaper. I don't see any reason why that model wouldn't work for gaming in the future (sad as it might seem to old farts like me)

[@madjoe8622]

Consoles will die like single player games were supposed to die.

[@Dezzyyx]

People act like the cost of PC is the only reason for consoles and that it's a question of consoles being needed or not. Consider that people actually want to play on consoles, and many who own one don't even want a PC. Consoles won't go away because it is clear people enjoy them, always have, and I think many prefer a console just to game as opposed to a PC. So there already is a market for people who only want to game and nothing else. I have both btw, just bought a new PC, so I have no horse in the race so to speak.

[@Roberto_Marx]

No. But Xbox is on the way out..

[@Wes_Trippy4life]

facts bro facts 😂😂💀💀💀💀💀

[@Gamer-jj9op]

Its always about the new game exclusive games for new consoles.

[@sampson3121]

GT7 AI is special for the racing genre. I can't wait to see how it performs in the next couple of years. Say hi "SOPHIE" 🏎🏎🏎

[@goofed86]

Is the age of PC hardware being so expensive coming to end? If not then consoles will continue

[@delacroixx]

It's not expensive anymore, cryptoboom is over. You can assemble a nice rtx3060 PC (which is a bit more powerful than a PS5) for around 700 bucks. And you can do way more with that machine than with a console.

[@accountteam9859]

You can get an equivalent PC with an RX 6700 & R7 3700X for less than $800 and actually get better performance on some games.

[@accountteam9859]

​@@delacroixxThe RTX 3060 is not more powerful, actually. It does have more VRAM (the card has 12GB and PS5 & XSX only use 10GB outta of the APU's 16GB GDDR6 as VRAM), but the only advantage the card has is that it has more SPU.

[@delacroixx]

@@accountteam9859 it is. By a small margin, but still. I had my experience with both that gpu and a ps5 and it's pretty close, but 3060 does provide better performance.

[@DARKZONE-ul2mx]

Problem with console will be thay will always be years behind PC because PC is in a Constant change and console are only good at the time of its Development even than the PC is already ahead by years

[@samgee500]

This wasn't really the case with the PS3 or the 360 at the time however because the Power PC architecture they use for their CPUs was far more efficient than the CPUs on PC at the time.

[@DARKZONE-ul2mx]

@samgee500 true but times have changed consoles wont ever keep up again those days are long gone

[@EmblemParade]

The thing about cloud AI is that it's an argument for simpler, cheaper consumer devices, while leaning more heavily on subscription business models. Could the next gen be actually less powerful hardware than the previous gen? Would the hardware focus be on luxurious controllers and other home comfort/usability devices?

[@ultrasurfs]

Nintendo: Am i a joke to you?

[@ragingmages7879]

Nintendo as always is playing its own game at their own pace. The struggles Sony and Microsoft have now are the results of their own goose chase of expensive AAA games and super graphics.

[@alanfreer1]

Microsoft are all over the place they haven’t released a triple A ….ever .

[@bennyboyreynolds]

PMSL I bet this has nothing to do with XBOX falling on its ass right? Sony has effectively drove them out of business over the last two gens. Even with better hardware XBOX can’t compete.

[@jasone.4689]

Nothing beats a plug and play couch dwelling with your friends present.

[@brianmcswain8932]

Way too many headaches to deal with on PC.

[@wawztzta8296]

we just gotta make games geared towards the hardware at hand. dont make a 60 fps game if it cant handle it, dont target a pro machine that isnt out yet, etc.

[@sanishnaik2040]

Exactly, i think devlopers will obviously do that. Because if it doesn't give a good experience who's gonna play.

[@kpsk8031]

Peter Moore, the guy who sold the Dreamcast at a huge loss in the USA and finally destroyed SEGA? He knows a lot about ending consoles.

[@GermanEnigma]

There is a cake at the end...

[@callibor3119]

Not if we are the ones to make them. Open Source and Copyleft and Public Domain and GNU and XNU can all be learned to make consoles compatible with different apps and medias. But that is if we were make a community to work with free source codes to make consoles just as a good as a computer and customizable like one.

[@HTHAMMACK1]

At some point, yeah, consoles will come to an end. We're not there yet because streaming is not where it needs to be for that to happen. People are also not ready for that yet. You're kidding yourself if you don't think consoles days are numbered. You've seen it with CDs, you've seen it with movies, and you will eventually see it with games. You're already slowly seeing the death of physical media.

[@sanishnaik2040]

Scary

[@hectorj.romanp.]

I see a future without physical media but I don't see a future where the only option would be to pay a monthly subscription to be able to play/watch/hear anything (or to use any electronic device, for instance).

[@demonhighwayman9403]

If they are looking for a big leap in graphics they need a separate custom designed chip just for ray tracing along side whatever chip AMD has lined up.

[@alvallac2171]

*graphics, they *alongside

[@GuiltyBystander8]

We heard this nonsense at the end of PS3. And they were wrong, we got PS4/PS5 and PS6 is in development.

[@garytheprogressivelibertar560]

I feel these console models could last another 20 years with just the lack of games that have made in this generations life span . I feel I could count the games I would enjoy on one hand in the last 10 years and I would struggle ro get to 5 I think .