Is the Allison Transmission right for you?

[@bomguy999999]

Allison makes the transmission for the M1A1-4 tank. 70 tons of tank and the transmission is awesome.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Can we rightfully say "built like a tank" then? haha

[@MindRiot395th]

It was on the M48/M60 Patton tanks as well - I used to work and drive on them during my service - pretty tough.

[@roundsm18]

They also have a massive torque reducer to prevent the engine from completely destroying that transmission as well. It’s all put together as a pack and then installed. Otherwise the engine would annihilate everything in spite of only being some 25” long. They’re fun to work on, and a pain in the @$$ all at the same time.

[@bomguy999999]

roundsm18 I was a tank mech in the Marine Corps. I’m fairly well versed in AGT 1500. Transmission work was mainly done at depot level. Although all my info is decades old now. I only did 4 years as a tank mech. I LAT moved to EOD as soon as possible.

[@barwon333]

every 100k

[@stevelink55]

always love to see these truck videos being a disabled retired tow truck operator. keep up the greatt work...

[@waynenorbreyjr9371]

Another great video and I got a chance to sit and watch it. That's a great looking T880, the T880 was my favorite (in a way it still is) until the W990 was revealed. Nicely spec'd out and that Heritage body is definitely a good value for what it cost. I know since 2014 you see a lot more of their bodies in my area. If I'm not mistaken my 1st T880 back in 2014 was one of the 1st trucks to have a Heritage body. From what I've heard their sales rep was slacking for getting sales in our area, but they've gotten a lot of business from our salesman. Now, the Allison is a great transmission, but I think there is some room for improvement. I drove one of the trucks in our company with it and was really nice to drive and it took a while to get use to (use to shifting gears for like 20 years), but loaded it felt like the 6 spd wasn't enough. I think it needs 2 more gears and then it'll be a really great transmission. Now if they can get that 10 spd to work in the Vocational market they'll have a winner. The Allison has that urge to move like it's torqued up and that I know some had to get use to. I know the boss loves them cause it means that he doesn't have to worry about putting clutches in the trucks all the time. It would be nice to see an option for the Allison where you can have the shifter on the steering column like you can with the Automated transmissions. Other than that I'm not sure if I'd go 18 spd manual, Ultrashift or Allison. I know the W990 I helped spec will have a 18 spd manual in it.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Thanks Wayne! I get what you're saying about the Allison needing maybe 2 more gears in there. I could see how that could help when loaded. Also, we're definitely hoping for the column controls on this also!!!!

[@ericcrockett479]

I love my manual transmission, but the allison definitely has its place and a vocational truck or city p&d tractor is definitely where they shine!!!

[@KenworthofRichfield]

They definitely shine there!!!

[@mikeleggiero2524]

I run one over the road i wont have any other transmission

[@johnfunk6343]

After driving manuals all my life . My new truck I just got has a allison. I love it. I did not realize some of my back pain was coming from shifting so much. Just my view.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

it's always interesting how things work differently, isn't it?

[@kingjames8283]

The Allison 4500RDS is a good choice for construction transportation ie; dumps, mixers, semi-lowboy, semi-flat, as well as fire trucks. I believe they are good for 550Hp, and 120k GVWR. Since no test drive this time, maybe you could wait until fall and have you back that truck through a corn maze to test out those rear cameras. That would be fun.

[@yardmaster1947]

When the TC-10 came out they were not compatible with PTO/Wet kits and therefor a truck must be equipped with a Seven speed Allison. Has things changed with Allison?

[@rudyjanes2530]

I drive a 2019 T880S with the 6 speed Allison it is simply amazing

[@alvinfleming6413]

How much hp do you have? I was on the fence about getting the Allison 4500 or 4700 ?

[@kayoprime5743]

How does a DAF CF75 310 with an Allison perform?

[@theonetheonly5785]

Allison is a great transmission; just use Allison spec fluid and change it often

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Yup! If you're going to do it, do it right!

[@dude7838]

Nice color coordination Josh!

[@waynenorbreyjr9371]

Oh and the Dura Brights wheels are a great idea of Alcoa. I personally would spec a truck with mirror finish wheels, especially if you don't have someone who can change the wheels without damaging them. That was one of my issues with the Dura Brights cause our mechanic was always scratch or damaged them. And once there damaged there is no repolishing them out. I will say this, they definitely hold there shine and are easier to maintain, soap and water. My previous truck (2014 T880) has them on it and they still shine to this day, whenever that driver decides to clean it. Hope everyone has a great weekend!

[@josephlewis9918]

What is the name of the sunglasses you are wearing along with the name of the lens. Like the frame and lenses

[@tallone09]

How often do you have change the fluid in Allison transmission.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

It really depends on the usage of the truck/transmission etc. Here's a chart for it though. kwds.at/fileadmin//user_upload/Downloads/Service/FluidIntervals-Allison.pdf

[@AndreasFragou]

Hey buddy how are you? I was driving those trucks few years back and obviously because I used eaton transmission I was litle bit concerned about the automatic transmission.After I started my own construction business I bought my self a 33000 g.v.w truck with 6 speed Eaton fuller and swaploader SL240 hook lift on it and 10 yard container. Now it is time for update the truck. I set my eyes on the kenworth k370 because I just love cabover trucks but I'm concerned about the 2500 RDS Allison. What do you think? It is a good choice?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Allison transmission are known for being bulletproof. Especially with a Hooklift, it's a great setup for you.

[@AndreasFragou]

@@KenworthofRichfield thank you very much

[@keyboard101101]

I’ve personally driven an Allison automatic equipped 2018 T800 dump truck. It is much smoother than the Dt12 automated manual transmission in my 2018 Cascadia. Why is it that these Allison transmission are not used for On Highway Trucks?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

They are used in some. I think the biggest reasons are efficiency and price. The Allison gives up a tiny amount of efficiency and in most cases, is $17k-$20k more expensive .

[@mikeleggiero2524]

@@KenworthofRichfield i run a allison over the road mt 4000 with 373 gears . 4900 westernstar flat top and pull a conestoga and a 8 ft gap and can see 7 plus most days avg 6.5 on winter fuel. My stepdeck could see 9plus on a low load . Dd 15 560 hp 1850 tq. Avg speed 65 to 67 . My next truck will have a allison to .

[@KenworthofRichfield]

@@mikeleggiero2524 Wow! That's awesome!!!! ....except for the truck brand. LOL

[@mikeleggiero2524]

@@KenworthofRichfield looking at a t800 with a 86i. Sleeper 510 paccar 1800tq mt4000 and 3.73 low pros22.5 . Let's talk

[@roundsm18]

Kenworth of Richfield the other item being the Allison transmission fluid - it used to be maintaining the warranty required use of a synthetic fluid that met their specifications. They used to be a full synthetic fluid change and as it sat per gallon you could do three transmissions with regular synthetic before you got to the cost of the fluid alone for the Allison. I remember when I was pricing it in 2014 BP was one of the few vendors I could get it from aside from Allison directly, and it was over $45 a gallon. When they aged out we went back to AMTs and manuals again. Over 500,000 miles we could afford to rebuild the Eaton and replace clutch and clutch brake every two years for what the Auto cost us in fluid and filters.

[@jasongonzales6858]

While I admire your enthusiasm for the Allison, I’m still not a fan of automatics in trucks. I drove a 10 wheeler with the Allison and hated it! It took so much power away from the truck that you had to literally floor it to get it to move and once you hit a hill with a load even street sweepers where gaining. I’m old school and will always pick that “third petal” over push buttons. Keep up the awesome videos.

[@24nathan48]

I lean towards the T880 also, it reminds me of myself still old school looking enough on the outside but refined and forward thinking on the inside, and Kenworth crushed it with the new W990, it’s the best of both worlds, old school exterior appearance and new school interior, what’s not to love, the only thing that sucks in that truck is the fridge, slide out drawer style fridges have zero room in them.

[@JamaicanTruckerss]

Nice trucks and nice Video. Whats the name if that background track?

[@marcusguastella1706]

How does the allison compare on Fuel Efficiency?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

It's not quite the same, but it's closer than you may think. It also depends on how/where you drive. In town, it'll be much closer than it would out on the open road.

[@marcusguastella1706]

@@KenworthofRichfield Got it. Thanks!

[@umarabd-fatir8914]

you really need to demonstrate driving that truck--all esle is on point

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Thanks! I'll be doing something like that in the next few weeks for a number of different transmissions actually. Stay tuned!

[@austincolberg6042]

Great for tanker work too

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Agreed! Smooth like butter...

[@farmer-fs9ly]

How have the TC10s been doing? Would they be any good at 50/50 highway/dirt farm use or stick with an RDS? 18s are king for super b work here but for getting heavy loads going in fields and maneuvering in soft yards and tons of short hauls on gravel back roads the Allison would be so nice. How do they handle heavy loads (130,000lbs+) and 550hp+?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

I'd love to tell you how they've been doing, but we haven't had any applications that would fit that come through here recently. We're looking forward to getting one going though!

[@tigertom7574]

TC10s have been discontinued over here in WA.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

@@tigertom7574 @ the factory?

[@tigertom7574]

Kenworth of Richfield I just tried to order one through Pape KW NW and they said they were having lots of problems with them. Using a torque converter there is no need for so many gears. I have an 880 coming in September with a x15 565 and Allison 6speed.

[@mikeleggiero2524]

I run a mt4000 over the road 560 hp 1850 tq and a flatbed. Truck has 3.73 rears. I would do a 3.90 for the weight you pull. The 4500 has a better low gear. .

[@carmiethompson2676]

Since you've brought up the Allison, what have you heard about Allison's 10-sp TC10? Is it still available? Thanks!

[@KenworthofRichfield]

I sometimes get conflicting reports on this honestly. I have no experience with the transmission as of this far as it's something that hasn't been requested. Sorry I couldn't be much help on this one.

[@anthonyrstrawbridge]

Could you recommend a gear ratio calculator ?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Cummins actually has a great one that drills down to the tire make/model and everything!

[@joedoakes8307]

HOW MUCH does the Damn thing cost ?

[@alvinfleming6413]

Can you get an allison in the T-680 ?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

You sure can!

[@watchermgtow929]

How many gears does this transmission have? Also is the new T680 still available with a manual 13-speed? Thank you.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Most Allison transmissions will have either 5 or 6 speeds. Yes, you can still get a manual 13 speed in a new T680.

[@watchermgtow929]

@@KenworthofRichfield Hey thank you for the help. Does the allison still let you Jake ?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

@@watchermgtow929 It does......but it comes in a bit later and works differently. I don't want to say that it doesn't work as well, but it doesn't seem to have the same effect at least.

[@mikeleggiero2524]

@@KenworthofRichfield two top gears jake is good hit 4 gear and it will put you through the window.

[@lusoamericanpatriot1984]

Biggest advantage to both Automatic & Automated transmissions, is that if you’re an employer you can hire drivers, even with E Restrictions on their CDL’s, also not worry about drivers burning the clutches & ruining the transmissions on your trucks! 😎👍🏻

[@KenworthofRichfield]

That's only part of it. Better fuel mileage, and less driveline wear also come into play.

[@carmiethompson2676]

I'd like to see a demo showing what the driver needs to do for controlling steep(incline or decline) construction site grades w/ the truck loaded. You didn't mention that the Automatic will start on a incline w/o any trouble where as an Automated will check the temperature of the clutch. If the temp. exceeds the recommended temp., the driver will have to back down the grade & try again. Your video could've explained more about the work site operation of the Allison then what it did.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

There's definitely a lot more than I could go into on this and with time, I'm hoping to get the chance to do that.

[@carmiethompson2676]

@@KenworthofRichfield Thank You. Unfortunately Allison doesn't explain what I think they need to before the sale. I enjoy the video's, keep it up.

[@frankswain9483]

Could you be more specific on "quite a bit more expensive" please? Also, what about weight difference? Thank much!

[@theGovnr1]

Like $20,000.00 more and it weighs close to 600 lbs. more than an Ultra Shift or a 18 spd manual

[@tigertom7574]

$15000 option here in WA

[@David-cz1vv]

It was about 17 thousand $ more than the manual we ended up speccing out here in NY

[@anthonyshort4358]

I love the look of the new Kenworth

[@KenworthofRichfield]

It's just a sharp truck. :D

[@hootertrucking]

How much for that truck? Looking to get into the dump truck work.

[@doomsdayJesus8786]

NICE VIDEO!! can you (or have you done) a video explaining how the DPF system works, how to maintain it and some causes for some failures!! love the vids

[@chrismoody5977]

Can You get an Allison in w900?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Yes you can!

[@toofastnobrakes]

How many gears in that Allison?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

This one is a 6 speed

[@georgehakey9139]

Great presentation of the different transmissions. I drive a dump truck in Vermont, 10 hrs of manual shift 8ll on these small, hilly, winding roads at 80.000 lbs gets old quick! Would like to see more. Thanks!

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Thanks George!!!! Having visited Vermont many years ago, I get it. We've got a number of trucks in stock that could work.....just saying. :D

[@jerrykinnin7941]

Ive ran an Allison in an Oskosh mixer. It had a locker on it just like on the rear end. I seen on another video where the allision had a retarder option like the old cat brakesaver. But of all the "auto" trucks I've operated i love freightliner's shifter on the steering column the best. Wish all trucks had column shift placement. The push buttons do wearout and get grimmie to easy. The camera system. I'd have one in back one in front and one on each mirror. I run dumps as well. Love my T880 but miss the high spot mirror that sees the bed fully raised.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

The Eaton automated transmissions have the shifter on the column and it's a great setup as the Jakes are there also.

[@napoleonbonaparte3612]

That's a great-looking truck🎉🎉🎉

[@l0rdcroissant]

can a driver get those cameras installed on a T680?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

There are a number of camera systems out there that can be installed. Most aftermarket systems have a universal mount type of setup.

[@scottsymons6152]

I run an Allison all day 6 days a week in my Advance Terex front discharge mixer. Even got to see how easy it was to bury my mixer for the first time yesterday. Never had to worry about the clutch at all just kept growing the shift lever from reverse to forward till all momentum..........stopped. Great transmission though. Makes all the difference in traffic and on jobsites.

[@Agwings1960]

I just wanna ask, why did Allison discontinue the 10 speed transmission, in your opinion?

[@KenworthofRichfield]

I'm not sure to be 100% honest. I've heard probably the same rumors that you have, but I don't have any real facts on it. :(

[@nkjeetun3877]

Thumb up from Mauritius

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Thank you!!!!

[@RodeoJoe1981]

Allison is very strong and reliable, great for rolloffs drive and control. Biggest problem is high rpms which is bad fuel economy. Cant Jake brake top gear down a hill

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Yup yup.

[@elite1234564]

You could put it in neutral 😂😂😂

[@catdriver1527]

@@elite1234564 you mean mexican overdrive?

[@fredhaddox3021]

Thanks. Live in Phoenix we have 6 Eaton’s and have ordered 4 more but will try the Allison next year.

[@TheFloridatrucker]

What about an allison in an over the road tractor? As a posed to the say eton

[@KenworthofRichfield]

We actually do sell a number of them. It's a good option. This is an area where I think the automated does have a slight advantage....but the Allison still does great here.

[@waynenorbreyjr9371]

I've seen that there's a 10 spd Allison that's designed for line haul use. Haven't heard much about.

[@mikeleggiero2524]

I run a allison over the road mt 4000 love it 560 Detroit 373 gears in a western star 4900sb 7+ with a 8ft gap conestoga.

[@albertmartin6298]

That's so beautiful truck

[@ryanwagner1831]

Does Allison make an 18 speed automatic transmission?

[@waynenorbreyjr9371]

As of now the have a 10 spd that's for line haul use.

[@roundsm18]

No. They’re a planetary with a torque converter. An 18 speed would be absolutely huge if it weren’t automated or just a regular manual. The Automatic transmission between torque converters, valve bodies and planetaries are already heavy and huge as it is. When you think about it from a mechanic’s standpoint the torque converter spinning around on that thing would be a mammoth. You’d shut the truck off and the fluid alone would probably rotate the engine another half turn just like it did with the 12V Cummins in Dodge pickups in the 90s.

[@arthurtatum6292]

If u have the extramoney the allison transmission 4500RDS is the best way 2 go?¿💐🌶💐🌶💐🌶💐🌶💐🌶💐🌶💐🌶💐🌶💐🌶💐

[@chadbeverly4926]

Always wanted to know, why do trucks have the extra wheels

[@andrewhatton1606]

Chad Beverly weight

[@tigertom7574]

Drop axles, when you’re not loaded you don’t need the extra tires so you can just lift them up.

[@pjnelson5827]

They have more wheels to spread the weight out, so they don't ruin the roads.

[@yuniordiaz2988]

Hi I have a question who was the one who designed the Mx-13 engine for paccar?

[@greghale5480]

The Allison 6-speed auto must really work the rpm range for the engine..getting out of ideal maximum torque at the high and low rpm’s just before and after shifting? Seems like a 10-speed would be better to keep the rpm range optimum...

[@KenworthofRichfield]

It does.....plus the torque converter allows for a different internal gearing due to the torque multiplication.

[@ArtietheArchon]

doesn't get any more "buy once cry once" than transmission selection

[@chrispatirot8575]

For delivery it’s the best. Period

[@MarkSmith-dh5dh]

Hmm! Oh my word no! But for the dump application would consider if I would be likely to use it in a paving manner. It worked well when I was with uncle Sam. 😉👍🏼

[@rogeralcarraz9605]

Quien sabe donde va o se ubica el tcm de caja allison 4500rds-6 en un international workstar 7600

[@imaprofessional3608]

I've driven all 3 automated automatic and manual I drive tri axle dump truck and personally i like the manual most but the ultra shift doesnt work very well off road when we use them for milling we get an error message for clutch abuse so if you want a dump truck allison all the way

[@waynenorbreyjr9371]

Been busy rolling today that I didn't realize the time.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Always glad to hear from you Wayne! Keep 'em rolling!

[@waynenorbreyjr9371]

@@KenworthofRichfield Always good to see what kind of content you have for us. I was listening to the video while driving, but once I get a chance I'll sit and watch it. I heard a lot of good points. Not to mention we have quite a few (11 I think) trucks with the Allisons. So I'm sure I will be commenting again.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

@@waynenorbreyjr9371 Looking forward to it!

[@superduty131]

No mention of the expense! Service? 11 Gallons of fluid at $65.00 per. Plus the upfront cost of one when ordering the truck. IDK???

[@rickdickerson1204]

Sounds good. I still think though every young person should spend some time driving a twin stick. 😃

[@hootertrucking]

The bad how much$?

[@tigertom7574]

hootertrucking $15,000

[@rprentals]

Should have specd disc brakes

[@KenworthofRichfield]

We do a mix. I'm sure ti won't be long before everything is disc.

[@maartenbos8346]

It is clear the Allison gear is the best but also the most expensive. So give me a scenario in which you would recommend the Allison

[@stephenroberts4895]

Some examples: On/off highway like construction, agriculture, oilfield, especially with dirt/mud otherwise you can snap something in the drive train and short haul like in-city work so you don't have to shift so often and won't burn through clutches like crazy.

[@ChrisMerchant71]

Give KZbin a call... they put 2 ads for other truck dealerships in your video.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Ooooopssssss. thx

[@AKing43]

I like the name. Allison transmission.

[@KenworthofRichfield]

They've made a name for themselves over the years.

[@piglet577]

cool

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Thanks Mike!

[@yadaelroiy]

i think you should have driven the truck, to see the automatic in action

[@MusicMath123]

no ride no truck!

[@jasongonzales4946]

Mmmmmmm........nope, still not a auto fan. (But you already knew that)

[@KenworthofRichfield]

hahahaha. I did. :D This has it's place in the industry.....even if it's not in your truck. :D

[@andrewhatton1606]

8ll just don’t have the top end

[@KenworthofRichfield]

They can with the right rear end ratio

[@andrewhatton1606]

@@KenworthofRichfield im going to get my next trucks off of you.

[@kristoffMR]

2024 and they gave me automated fuller 18 speed and it sucks balls!

[@Sinister_Reaper]

Needs more gears

[@AndyFromm]

0-65

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Got it!

[@The101Point1]

Time for better music all so crappy drive tires those are terrible in mud and snow I know from experience I would have spec the Michelin or Goodyear open shoulder mud tires have them on my Peterbilt work great

[@KenworthofRichfield]

Makes sense. We'll have to work on a new intro one of these days....

[@itstherightone5179]

Celsius

[@kevinbarry71]

Stupid drum brakes

[@towu4less126]

The best

[@draken68]

Typical car salesman. Wanker. I view a truck I own or drive as a workhorse, not a show pony. Give me an older engine with no computer and nice thick wires. A bonus is a Red Dot on the roof.

[@mikerichardson7244]

Sorry guys but you can cram the automatic transmission where the sun don’t shine👎👎

[@KenworthofRichfield]

well, it's under the truck, and the sun doesn't shine there unless you've really screwed up.....so it's already where the sun doesn't shine :D

[@mikeleggiero2524]

@@KenworthofRichfield let him drive a truck with a allison he will throw away any stick. The allison holds highway speed so much better at 65 mph i can avg 63 mph all day or 680 mile in 10.5 hour . At 70 mph at 1400 rpm the truck is unstoppable pound for pound and speed for speed the allison will out preform.