Is The BMW G80 M3 More Reliable Than The Alfa Romeo QV | 7 Month Ownership Update

Is The BMW G80 M3 Is More Reliable Than The Alfa Romeo QV | 7 Month Update. I now have the dreaded CHECK ENGINE on for over 3 weeks in the 2023 BMW G80 M3 and it has caused zero effect on driving the car and enjoying it. My car has over 12 hard codes. I will update everyone on the remedy once I get the car back from BMW Service later this week. The fact that the car has so many Permanent Codes stored and the car still functions as designed means the BMW G80 M3 electrical system is far more reliable and forgiving than the Alfa Romeo Giulia QV architecture. Stay tuned for more content.
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[@MW-gi1tr]

My 18 QV threw its 1st CEL after fpur years of ownership. Cleared the codes and no issues since. Cant complain about the reliabikity as ive had it for 5 years and 31k miles, its only been in the shop for scheduled.maintenance.

[@chasinglimits]

If only the Italians figured out a way to keep the car driving normally with a CEL on that would be a game changer. I’m still impressed by my QV’s reliability, even with low kms, I drive it hard like it’s meant to be driven and I can tell it likes it as well. You should reconsider getting back into a QV, perfect size, chassis, balance, power and looks!!

[@autofanaticcars]

if I could buy an older QV new in the wrapper I think I would but the newer refined ones I already had a 2021 QV and sold it after a few months. The other issue is more dealers for Alfa are vanishing all over my area recently due to customer complaints dealers are loosing their Maserati Alfa franchises so service will be another nightmare which I did not want to dive back into now since the last 7 months has been pretty stress free with the BMW

[@jefferyharmon5290]

@@autofanaticcarsAfter watching your videos I decided I’d try to find a “new in the wrapper” 2019 QV. I found one with 3,210 miles and warranty had just started in Feb of 2022. It’s been amazing. Just did GMS camber kit, Alfissimo GTA springs, titanium wheel studs (after watching your video) and 5mm spacers all around. What an absolutely awesome car. Get another one Phil!

[@autofanaticcars]

where did you find it and does your car have Sparco seats and CCB that is the only way I would get another one and it has to be in either Alfa Rosso, Black or Tri Coat White

[@jefferyharmon5290]

@@autofanaticcarsI got it in Baltimore at a Benz dealer. Guy bought it leftover from a dealer and traded it 7 months later for an E class. Those were the only 3 colors I was looking at. Had to have all 3 big options so I narrowed it down to those 3 colors and ended up finding Alfa Rosso. It’s the better red, change my mind!

[@jefferyharmon5290]

@@autofanaticcarsI thought I responded but yes, Alfa Rosso, Sparcos with red stitching, CCB and exposed roof. New forged wheels will be here in August👍

[@twinzinc]

I've had mine for yr and a half not one ounce of trouble. very reliable vehicle.

[@ericbluealfa]

The title on this should be "Is MY BMW G80 M3 More Reliable Than My Old Alfa Romeo QV". Because there are a lot of us who have had little to no problems with our QV's. I've had mine for 2.5 years and only problem I've had is the connector to the diverter valve which has been fixed. It would throw a code and lock me in N mode, but it was still very drivable. So sounds like you got a bad one. Granted, the M3 overall might be more reliable across all owner experiences. But the QV for most is no where near what you experienced based on my time in the forums where I visit almost daily. That GTr rocks! Keep it.

[@autofanaticcars]

Only a handful of you QV owners will report no issues but thousands of us had catastrophic issues and horrible dealer support all over the world. You guys are the minority when you see stats and i have directly communicated with thousands of Alfa owners in last 5 years than most owners can come in contact with. Forums are less than 1% of actual owners so not a great baseline Awesome cars and nobody cheer lead the brand more than me on social media . When there running right but when they screw up you simply can not drive it normally like i have with the M3 loaded with ecu faults thats intent of this video to highlight how different these two brands electrical systems are.

[@ericbluealfa]

Usually the ones that are the loudest are ones that have problems. I find it very unlikely that we wouldn't be hearing more complaints than we do if what you say is indeed true especially since there is one main Giulia forum. But I guess it is possible. I've hung out on Porsche and BMW forums as well and so have somewhat of a feel for what it is like. And I do realize that AR owners are a much smaller crowd. No science to any of this though.

[@thomasferrarojr.9772]

​@ericwetterstroem8432 He has it reversed. The majority of QV's have been great. Especially after replacing the original fuel pumps. I had a 2017 Giulia QV and currently own a 2018 Stelvio QV. They've been perfect, and driven HARD!

[@SlumRacing]

I just got a new stelvio quad, lost my quilia quad in a wreck. I was considering the m3 manual sedan but will wait till they facelift but im really enjoying my stelvio. OMG what an experience!!!

[@autofanaticcars]

Stelvio QV is awesome best sport suv ever created enjoy it

[@21void5]

What was the issue? I just got my G80 last week. I’m curious to find out. Thanks

[@PointShiftDrive]

Keep us in the loop

[@R.London]

You are the only person I know that rallied so hard for the QV in the beginning. I was honestly shocked when you sold it for the M3. Alfa romeo has to get it together. Maserati too. The Italian brands have to do better. Its simple as that. Everyone I know that had or has a QV experienced catastrophic issues with them.

[@autofanaticcars]

Mine was pretty good for two years but then it went downhill fast i loved that car was so hard to let it go but had no choice due to safety thats how bad it got from incompetent people working on it at several dealers

[@philcliffe6909]

Maybe didn't help modifying it.

[@pdotc]

I know that highway I had no clue you were local to me. Would definitely like to meet up at some point.

[@jaywalker4206]

I have a 2023 G82. I disabled OTA updates since I did the FEMTO ecu unlock. No issues here.

[@autofanaticcars]

Can you share how you disabled the OTA so others can see. Thanks

[@Landmantx]

I have had both BMW and Alfa and my alfa is more reliable, but it is a case by case situation.

[@PureDriveVibes]

Great video! How is the steeringwheel feedback compared to the Alfa?

[@autofanaticcars]

With the suspension mods and alignment the steering and front end is awesome on the M3 huge improvement over stock

[@euripidesroques6648]

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[@autofanaticcars]

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[@JacesOwnWorld]

This comment doesn’t have anything to do with this videos point at hand, but I have to say it: The BMW 1-Series M has been the most valued production //M car ever made. It has never gone below its MSRP price, and it became an instant collectible. There are many reasons why it has done this, but a big reason is it’s size-to-power ratio. BMW //M cars have got so big and heavy now, that they just aren’t as attractive anymore. I think it’s safe to say that BMW needs to really rethink they’re strategy here, and start bringing back smaller, lighter cars, since the 2-series is no longer small nor light…

[@autofanaticcars]

We had two 1M for my old company a white one and orange metallic one they were awesome cars. BMW is lost today in regards to their product line i feel. Too many models now and car’s style and size is all over the place. We will never see BMW going back to their coveted roots again as EV and government regulations are dictating the future for most brands unfortunately

[@BobsGT235]

Big problem for the ATS-V and CT4 Blackwing is the sound of the V6 engine is not good. But just about any V6 doesn't sound good. The inline six in the M3 is way better.

[@autofanaticcars]

Alfa and Maserati V6 sound amazing but yes CT4 doesn’t sound great but i never heard one with a custom exhaust

[@mrmotors_uk]

I had a faultless top spec QV for over 2 years, changed to a M4 Competition Xdrive now and I must say it’s in a totally different league. For anyone looking to try a g80/g82 I highly recommend it, but as ever get a proper spec one that works for you

[@autofanaticcars]

thanks for sharing your feedback my QV was good for 2 years then absolute hell for 2.5 years. the BMW is built far better and the after sales support alone is worth the switch I feel. What makes you like the M4 better overall can you tell us?

[@brianm2224]

I went the same route. Had a faultless QV for a little less than 3 years, traded for a new G80 M3 Comp xdrive. G80 is a better car in every sense for its intended purpose, with far better build quality and materials. QV is a great car with top notch driving dynamics with more of a raw feel. At the end of the day, these are still practical 4 door sedans, if all that mattered was driving dynamics and raw visceral fee, id be driving an actual sports car (P car), not a sedan. You can’t beat an M car as a practical car enthusiast daily driver.

[@autofanaticcars]

great assessment for sure

[@raptor2126]

@@brianm2224a fair comparison would be F80 M3 not the G80. Giulia QV is better in every regard compared to F80 M3. I am sure G80 is faster but with its hideous looks, plastered computer monitor on the inside and emotionless driving experience, you’d be sacrificing too much imo compared to Giulia QV

[@timbrown9731]

What would happen if you disconnected the battery and do a master reset….. also, do you lock your car in the garage sometimes that will put a lot of the computers to sleep etc and I wonder using a trickle charger messes things up…..

[@autofanaticcars]

Done many times working on car zero dash codes pop up unlike Alfa lights up like a Christmas tree after battery reset so different these two cars

[@not-fishing4730]

Funny but the Alfa problems sound more like a software problem that may have been fixed in the last four years. My brother bought one of the first Nissan Titan Diesels and so he was on the cutting edge when it came to software and hardware problems.

[@autofanaticcars]

My Alfa had water damage that ruined the entire electrical system due to a bad factory known flaw in the design of the front cowl drainage. Then butchers at Alfa dealership broke main wire harnesses and never repaired properly coupled with multiple bad grounds coming loose on computers and multiples of bad batteries my car was living hell to over for almost 3 years with constant breaking down.

[@thejarfoundation7162]

Beautiful ride as always. That said, if you had to sell one of your cars. Would you sell the G80 M3 or the GT350R? Why? Secondly, which car is more fun to drive daily?

[@autofanaticcars]

Sold the Shelby for my AMG GTR check videos on the channel recently and im considering selling the M3 for something smaller not sure yet. All fun cars to drive it depends what you prefer

[@azamchaudhri]

Have Alfa got the Tonale coming to the usa or have they given up on the American market

[@autofanaticcars]

Supposed be coming this week to dealership in CT but its been delayed like two years it seems.

[@styleew1]

I've had my QV for 5 years and have 47K miles on it. I am so tempted to buy a G80 M3. I have gone to the dealer twice in two years to put a deposit down and still can't pull the trigger. Last time we spoke you had no regrets. Still feel the same?

[@autofanaticcars]

M3 is a great car and one of the very last you can ever buy brand new with a 6 speed. The BMW level of service alone is worth putting up with the cars lack of sexiness if aggravation matters in your life.

[@bmwt4k]

Definitely hit or miss, I've had my M3 going on 2 years now without a single issue thankfully

[@autofanaticcars]

German cars do have annoying issues ive had my shares in the past but things have gotten better. I could not believe my M3 can have all these faults yet still driving normally this was not the case with any BMW models from 2002-2012 era once they integrate ld IDrive on the 7 series those electronics gremlins trickled down to every model making dealer visits all to common

[@mattnycm3]

Waiting to hear updates as I own a 23' G80 M3 Comp too.

[@autofanaticcars]

Has your car also thrown codes? Apparently they did a software update for a vent valve and it fixed it but the new vent valve part wasn’t available to replace so gotta go back. Its a minor thing

[@mattnycm3]

@@autofanaticcars Fortunately my car has not thrown any codes and it's had at least two updates.

[@timbrown9731]

I don’t know I just think there’s a paradox of reliability, with a high-performance car now maybe like a Corvette might be different, and Jay Leno would say you could fix a Corvette with a hammer……..

[@timbrown9731]

Well, if the software updates are anything like an apple iOS which I hate every time they give me a software update it screws up my phone either Bluetooth start acting up this or that…..

[@autofanaticcars]

Too much tech is leading cause of headaches in our lives there should be no reason to have over air updates on a car like this it’s ridiculous

[@rlsedition]

Come back to us in 4 1/2 years with your G80 review.

[@autofanaticcars]

Il never own another car that long in my life again.

[@rlsedition]

@@autofanaticcars Careful, as we're heading into EV-land. Right now I intend never to own an EV. Hyundai's Biermann is even developing all types of fakery to make the upcoming Ionic 5 N model replicate every nuance of an ICE car. All fake.

[@autofanaticcars]

Exactly but most car enthusiasts are all leaning towards older performance cars these days which is kinda my mindset for the future. We will see what i add next but it will be fun for sure. I might even go E39 M5 we will see

[@letmeknow4167]

you can turn off over the air updates in settings.. idk what ur luck is with car tbh lool

[@hexodontist1610]

Just viewed a stunning Guilia QV 2018 with Sparco seats in competizione rosso.. 60,000km on the odometer. Mind boggling, but I am bit worried after watching so many videos about the controversial electronic reliability.

[@hexodontist1610]

Just signed up on your Patreon as well. Appreciate all the content you’re putting out.. that helps a lot.

[@autofanaticcars]

Thats a lot of miles if you don’t know car’s history. Biggest cause of issues are early cars suffered bad batteries and fuel pumps but if a bad technician touches the car it can destroy it the way it did mine. My car was great for 2 years then unreliable and unsafe for 3 years that i was forced to immediately get rid of it. Just be careful what you buy and also try to build a relationship with your local dealer to learn more

[@hexodontist1610]

@@autofanaticcars thx appreciate your comment. It’s been serviced only with our local dealer, it’s kilometers not miles.. so roughly 37,000 miles. But yes, that’s exactly my concern. Maybe I just wait a bit and look into a 2020/2021. Thx again

[@DK-455]

I think you're being a little unfair to the ct4 v blackwing as far as reliability. I'm on the ats v and blackwing forums frequently and from what ive seen the cars are pretty much bulletproof. Other than the 2016 and 2017 cue systems acting up and the 8 speed trans needing the latest mobil 1 fluid to correct the trans shudder I dont see many problems. There are a few highly rated tuners for these cars as well. But I do agree that the dealership support can be problematic at best.

[@autofanaticcars]

I made zero remarks on the CT4 V reliability i had 3 CTSV they never broke down those cars are very simple. My gripe is lack of dealers in my area and styling I honestly prefer older ATSV and CTSV styling to the newer cars otherwise i would have gotten one instead. The CT5 V is an animal but side profile reminds me of a Buick

[@DK-455]

I took your general motors build quality comment as referencing reliability, my mistake. I do agree with your sentiments on the ct5 v bw and dealer support or lack thereof.

[@nazarpredatorak]

After wondering for a while about buying a second hand giulia qv and doing some research, what i saw about this car is a little weird. Most of the owners would say "the car is bulletproof" and then say that they visited the repair shop 3-5 times in the first 2 years and with less than 50k miles on the car. You cant call a car reliable while having issues when the car is basically brand new. That was a big turn off so I decided not to look for alfa qvs anymore

[@autofanaticcars]

people think forums are the end all be all of car ownership feedback but forums are just a small bunch of complainers who have no real knowledge of cars in many instances. Almost like going to a doctor too many times yet your ailment is not cured but you then praise how great the doctor is. in our culture today people just never want to hear the honest truth and will make every excuse in the world to gaslight others to not accept facts and truth and this is with everything today. all cars have problems that is a hard fact but not all brands treat customers the same and not all problems cars have are different. the purpose of this video was the prove how different the BMW G8X platform is with all these hard faults versus the Alfa which would not allow you to drive seamlessly for weeks on end with a check engine light and hard faults stored on the electrical system.

[@Topofthelinetommy]

They need to do a Guilia or Stelvio QV with a manual.....

[@autofanaticcars]

Never will happen as FCA forcing full EV soon on these cars such a shame. If a 2024 QV was available with new facelift lights and dash I probably get one in Montreal Green and use is sparingly only

[@Topofthelinetommy]

@autofanaticcars I can dream can't I 😭

[@themachine8009]

My cousin had the same thing happened to him and it was the evap purge valve. Same car. Take it to Scotty and he’ll hook his 5k scan computer and he’ll tell where the fault is. I know it’s still under warranty but I trust more Scotty than the BMW stealership. Just saying

[@autofanaticcars]

Yes a vent valve was deemed bad on my car too

[@De132an]

Yellow check engines light = get to a service shop when can. Red check engine light = get to a service shop now.

[@elliotserrano7333]

I see an engine detailing video in the near future 😂

[@autofanaticcars]

You know it!

[@paulbugoni2846]

All European electrical systems stink. They should just go to Nippondenso. Alfa-more driver focused, raw driver experience, gorgeous. Shady reliability (QV) and mediocre dealer service. BMW-better finished and built, probably better reliability, looks that offend Stevie Wonder. Better dealer experience than Alfa but BMW ain’t scaring the Lexus dealer experience. If only the Lexus had a manual in the IS500….that 8 spd auto in the IS500 is no ZF.

[@jasperatighe5967]

Need more content on the stelvio veloce😢

[@autofanaticcars]

Soon I created rear splash guards that work great still fine tuning it and still have mods to do but so busy with customer projects

[@jasperatighe5967]

@@autofanaticcars ok. Great can't wait.

[@DrivenGarage]

I just find it ironic that in all your other videos the QV was praised and praised for reliability and everything. You always talked about the M3/M5 and BMW In General how you hated how it looked and wouldn’t want that car nor get one….I guess was wrong 💔

[@autofanaticcars]

Bmw was on the spot decision for almost getting killed far too many times with QV shutting off on highway. Its a temp car for now and was an immediate way to get out of the QV. Nobody praised the Alfa more than me but when dealers and corporate leave you out to dry you simply say fuck it and move on you don’t treat customers like that especially one who has promoted and influenced thousands to buy these cars. Looking for the next car now lets see what I decide

[@DrivenGarage]

@@autofanaticcars keep the content coming ❤️

[@AlbertManiscalco]

i dont think its entirely fair to generalize your experience with your Alfa as universal...you can report your experience and any other anecdotal experience related by the service center or what issues commonly crop up in the forums, but you cant fairly say they ALL have a problem you had. for example its fair to say that if there is an issue the car goes into an inconvenient limp mode etc (vs. the BMW), but thats about all thats fair to assert simply because you dont have access to enough data to know what issues are common and what just happened to you. only Alfa truly knows the reality of the common flaws and how widespread they are or arent...and only to the extent they can get the reports from the owners. as long as you speak truth i have no issue with you talking about flaws you experienced, however make it clear what's your experience and what's your opinion, if you want to be as fair and accurate as possible. the brand deserves to exist and continue to make improvements and being unfair to boost your channel will not help them achieve their potential as a genuinely solid alternative in every single respect. Even during their most recent revival they were still operating on a tight budget and time crunched development schedule vs the more established german brands and that needs to. be acknowledged...Only now under Stellantis do they FINALLY have the funds to compete on an even playing field, and its something that should be talked about more when criticizing the Giulia and its unfair to the brand to leave that fact out of any comparisons

[@autofanaticcars]

Did you not listen to full video? Fact is you can still drive a BmW with multiple hard codes in the ECU and BCM you can’t do that on any generation Alfa QV! Please realize when anyone references forums you do know 99% of owners of any brand car do not participate in forum’s so its too small a focus group to even grasp the brand on a larger scale. If you knew reality of how Stellantis is destroying the brand you would have a completely different outlook because Alfa dealers all over USA are going out of business and loosing their franchises because of lack of support from FCA Stellantis there support is non existent if you knew how they treat customers

[@AlbertManiscalco]

@@autofanaticcars yes i did, perhaps i wasnt clear enough but i explicitly said its fair to say that part

[@AlbertManiscalco]

@@autofanaticcars I look at the industry on a macro level. The merger that became stellantis while it produces a lot of economies of scale and will bring long term benefits to the brand it still takes time to implement because they have to invest in lots of brands and relaunch lots of brands in order to maximize what they have in their portfolio and it’s simply not Alfas turn again yet. Unfortunately it won’t be their turn until the switch to electric (which unfortunately is coming way too fast in my opinion for this particular brand which is known for its motors). The temporary loss of franchises is not going to be permanent because they are going to restructure and probably bring back Peugeot as well and when they bring back Peugeot they will have to invest In better dealers (who will likely specialize in the European side of their portfolio) so perhaps some of the dealers that we are losing are good ones and perhaps not, but either way they aren’t abandoning the market, they are just putting their money into other brands at the moment. People get mad at the brands for dealing with the financial realities of the automotive industry instead of looking at the macro they look at just where the rubber meets the road and unfairly write a brand off, Ironically just as they’re getting good.

[@autofanaticcars]

Look at what’s happening with Maserati, the Mc20 has been a total flop jn sales and social media buzz nobody’s buying them because of price points on more esteemed brands in super car segments. They launched new Grecale and sales still stagnant . The new Granturismo is amazing but will also struggle to sell because the prices are too high. I just feel the people running Alfa and Maserati are lost and aren’t seeing the market as a whole in America. Sharing good platforms will make both brands better all around but price points and dealers support is missing badly and there going to struggle to get sales volumes unless drastic changes are made within. We will see what happens but the next 3-5 years are critical lets hope history doesn’t repeat itself

[@R.London]

​@@autofanaticcarsSo true.

[@aldaley3537]

Sounds like a nightmare. Couldn’t imagine paying so much for a vehicle and have gremlins within a few months of purchase. 😮

[@autofanaticcars]

Guess your living in a fantasy world because every consumer product has issues these days some minor some catastrophic thats what matters along with after sales support of the brand

[@djsthemetereman]

​@@autofanaticcarsThis is true it can happen with any car especially if it's a newer manufactured model

[@1stfrompuertorico568]

First!!