Is The EV Dead on Arrival? The Four Horsemen of the Electric Carpocalypse

[@JayEmmOnCars]

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[@fjalics]

Combustion vehicles will always produce CO2. EVs depend on where the electricity was made with, and thats changing. Mining, currently uses a lot of fossil fuels, but I see no reason why mining can't be electrfied, but decarbonizing mining will depend on renewables and EV development, so it needs to be done at the same time. Manufacturing can also be electrified. I overwhelmingly charge at home. I'm 53,000 miles in. The tire pollution does depend on the tire. I don't even see information, let alone regulation. That could use some change. High horsepower 2 wheel drive vehicles can wear tires plenty fast, particularly when the engine isn't over the driven wheels. Dual motor at a given horsepower reduces load. Last but not least, the list of things you can make electricity with is long, while gasoline is short.

[@ChinaSongsCollection]

@18:11 This point is only valid because we made it to be valid. (That is, the point about people living in apartments are not suited to have EVs) It need not be like that. For example in China, there are more than 9 million EVs on the road, and they are selling around 1 million more per year every year. And yet almost everyone there lives in apartments. But they don't have any problems charging their EVs.

[@big8gmedia]

There is a video of an EV bus going thermal runaway in EU, 6 seconds its to late. Diesel buses are great since even if the bus goes on fire its a slow burn everyone can get out. The current tier 4 Diesel has almost nothing out the pipe now its nice from the clouds of smoke that used to blow out. Great video with actual reasoning in it and not a propaganda EV one

[@fjalics]

@big8garage I find that story suspicious. EVs do burn at 1/10 the rate of gasoline vehicles, but not that fast. I can't help but wonder if there was something funny, like the fire had been going on, then suddenly burst through the floor or something. There should be battery sensors throwing all kinds of alarms when that happens, and that's with nickel based chemistries. The LFP packs don't burn that easily.

[@typxxilps]

the comparison with a 747 does not make that much sense cause it is the simple blame the others games. Here we have to raise the dykes decade by decade to avoid heavy damages as seen before after storms like in the sixities. If the ICE guys have to pay for the huge amount of CO2 the fair price then you would realise the reaal impact of driving a car. EV is not the best and not the end of the evolution but it is a step ahead and already ICE is dead in european car production cause development capaczities had been shifted. Who hires an ice engine engineer ? British formular one teams and all others are about selling the old tech to some one else who is willing to pay licence fees. And the supplier that have not moved are on the verge of death already. If it is not for everyone can be answered as always: can be but that does not mean to lower the pressure. Make the exhaust expensive and people will move ahead and look back on the glorious cheap car era they have had in the past . But that ignores all the issues we had seen in the environment like rivers with no fish, forrest dying as it had been called here back when we had the Ozon gap from the late 80s on and much more. Charging at home is far more convenient compared to fueling my diesel mercedes which I did today cause it is far more dirty and takes also time. Far easier to plug in the EV and charge it, use it for energy storage at home taking the surplus Power from the roof and later charge my home storage battery. Looks bright and tbh we can not reduce the CO2 emission fully in general cause a car needs to be reduced but we can keep an eye on that the footprint becomes smalller. Lithium recycling is quite easy and already established here so that they get 94% back to be reused as the material for the first time usage. There is no such issues once you hace establish a circle economy as here with deposits and all the other stuff and actions like deposit for 12V batteries that people bring their battery back to a recycling station. And the progress in the past 5 years has been quite significant for sure regarding range and performance also the charging speed and standardisation beyond a broader variety of choice between brands and sizes also the infrastructure. It also forces all to thing twice and consider to put a solar power system on their roof. Not that bad at all, especially in an era with doubling energyy prices.

[@PintoPopProductions]

American here. I have three gas cars and the lowest mileage among them is a 1999 model with 140,000 miles (225,000 kms). My vehicles are old and don't fit someone else's idea of green but I like them. I'll be keeping them as long as I can. Life is far too short to drive something you don't like, whatever brand, bodystyle or drive type that is.

[@hel6714]

the best thing you can do for the environment is to maintain your older car and run them into the ground imo so your doing the best thing.

[@deanh7032]

@@hel6714 Couldn't agree more. A petrol or diesel driver that's owned and maintained their old vehicle from new is far more environmentally friendly than most EV owners who trade them in every three years. The best way to protect the environment when it comes to motor vehicles is to keep each one going as long as you can.

[@mioh23]

Yeah people forget that making a new car, ev or not, is the problem. Buy a reliable old one, service it regularly, maintain the optimal conditions are the optimal way to reduce your overall emission.

[@alexjaybrady]

Lexus?

[@PintoPopProductions]

@@alexjaybrady 1999 Buick Regal GS.

[@Shmee150]

Brilliantly explained, James! Very well balanced, researched and articulated. It's a rapidly evolving industry and there's clearly a lot to learn, and it will take many years for that to propagate down. If only everyone could watch this video and understand so much more of this world!

[@garethsaunders1260]

On balance, many of your EV videos haven't helped dispel EV nonsense, much to the contrary, they have heightened the misinformation out there.

[@MrSheymie]

Yes indeed. You may also like to check out the 'The Big EV Lie' from TheCarGuys on KZbin for further complementary discussion.

[@chrisr1254]

@@garethsaunders1260 Exactly, the guy who bought an EV for KZbin clout without using his noggin. he had nowhere to plug it in, the dafty. This sort of foolishness is why there should be an IQ test before you're able to order an EV!

[@garethsaunders1260]

@@MrSheymie thanks, I'd rather not listen to more drivel. I fully understand that EVs aren't for all, but I manage 40k a year just fine in mine.

[@rogerhudson2814]

@@garethsaunders1260 Look at his review of the VW E-up!, exactly what a good EV is like.

[@Fc-cb3tn]

Can't help but notice that massive wall-mounted PC setup at the back, that thing is an absolute unit and it's stunning.

[@MrBrndin]

I found my project for this winter. Thanks for the inspiration sir!

[@michaeljkasnter]

Electric has doubled in price in 2- years here iin Florida!!!

[@Jkirk3279]

@@michaeljkasnter Not here in Michigan. And why WOULD the price of electricity double? It’s not delivered by TRUCK. I’ve seen these claims but zero proof. And it’s always Conservatives making the claim.

[@ReasonablySane]

The city concerns kind of cracked me up. In 2011 I solved the whole problem for my family. We moved out of the city. It was a game changer in a very, very good way our cost of living plummeted and our peace drastically increased.

[@cosmic_gate476]

Agreed, unless you're very rich, living in a city is stupid. All you get for your effort is endless traffic and the smell of piss.

[@billsElitetrucking349]

I'm done with electric cars, I went back to gasoline because of all hassle associated with electric cars and trucks ! No more for me , I've learned my lesson and my " ELECTRIC CAR ANXIETY SYNDROME IS GONE " ... Happy days are here again !!

[@isaiahanderson7237]

I couldn’t imagine owning an EV now. Even though gasoline is less efficient at creating power, for now I would still prefer Internal combustion engines over battery electric.

[@YounesLayachi]

Criminally well made video, I couldn't believe I'd managed to sit through 44 minutes of talking, but it's so sharply presented and researched it kept me engaged from start to finish

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Aww you guys

[@kalmmonke5037]

oh and the more batteyr u add the exponentially less effceint it gets in real driving conditions, bc carrying weight but not using more of the the energy in all that weight so often, battery have low energy to weight ratio vs combustion. in the supposed e fuels future the small generator will be more relevent

[@kalmmonke5037]

and make it easy ti replace batteries, older prius battery replacement is so expensive partially because u have to take out engine and stuff to simply even access the battery sitting behind it

[@bomfunk77]

@@JayEmmOnCars can i ask your thoughts on alternative fuels such as HVO for diesel's which is a sustainable renewable fuel with up too 90% less Co2 emissions?

[@bomfunk77]

@Richard Harrold as i understand HVO it is made from recycling waste oil from chippies, and non food grade oils into a synthetic diesel alternative.

[@astroandrius]

21:23 the problem with most governments (I do not live in Britain, so I am speaking from my local experience) is that government does not necessarily want to solve the problem, but they want more money for the budget. So you end up with a tax that is named to fight something, but it does little to nothing in the real world. Usually that ends up as taxing the poor, because they have the least amount of money to fight that tax by buying EV or whatever else the authors of tax may "want" you to do.

[@stevejosephs8965]

We’re from the government and we’re here to help!

[@JoJoJoker]

Politicians do not solve problems. Entrepreneurs solve problems. Politicians perpetuate problems so they can promise solutions.

[@duckrutt]

Someone down in Springfield Illinois had a panic attack a few years ago when they realized people with electric vehicles weren't paying gasoline taxes. Their solution: Registration should be TWO THOUSAND F'ING DOLLARS A YEAR. Sanity (sort of) prevailed and it's only more expensive instead of stupidly more expensive than registering a gas powered car.

[@jordanclark4635]

Exactly duckrutt; the people who complain about politicians doing nothing and being part of the problem are so very often the people who VOTE for the politicians that are fucking useless and a part of the issue That’s not to say there are politicians who are perfect, but they’ll listen to the one who basically says “I’ll do jack shit to help” and are like well he’s the most honest… no he’s the one who’ll be the impediment you complain about.

[@JoJoJoker]

@@jordanclark4635 the best politicians say “my job is to get out of your way”…

[@mjstow]

For me, this is the definitive essay on the subject. Very interesting to hear about the length of time it takes for an EV to break even in cost terms, as well as in environmental terms. Great journalism.

[@allelectric1330]

I feel sorry for electric car drivers and future owners. They will simply have to learn the hard way .. as I did. These things are a huge hassle, all those lost hours sitting in those charging stations, huge anxiety, plus a outrageous expense in the long run. Good luck trying to sell a used Electric car with wore out battery modules. You'll find out nobody wants to pay the ridiculous price of batteries ... Batteries are very ... very expensive to replace ( thousands and thousands of dollars) ... and make no mistake, you will be replacing them. These batteries are highly toxic to our environment, with a high potential for disaster to our surroundings. DON'T FOOL YOURSELF and CERTAINLY, DON'T LISTEN TO A SALESMAN, ... THEY WILL SAY ANYTHING, DO ANYTHING TO MAKE A SALE ! THESE NEW SPECIALIZED AUTOMOTIVE GRADE BATTERIES ... ARE NOT GREEN CLEAN ENERGY BY ANY MEANS! ... I wish I knew all this before I bought my car . Do your homework before buying !

[@Jethr001]

As research scientist I did the research and you are skewed and dated. go back to school!

[@missgibsen6767]

@@Jethr001 Don't fool yourself, buying an electric car will come back and bite you in the A$$ .... as it did my family ! ... Forget Batteries ! ... an lets move on to a newer energy source that won't poison everybody on earth !!

[@TheDrew718]

You had to be one of the early EV owners, even though you should have known it’s a young industry. Imagine all the complaints about the first automobiles. At some point there will be chargers everywhere, electric taxis will cost less, batteries can be recycled, they are extending the life of the batteries, etc.

[@GunShark0]

@@TheDrew718 key word being, "at some point," which these companies can just continue to drag their feet for eternity if they want. Not to mention what the mining of cobalt and lithium is doing to the planet AND the people that work and live at, or near, the mines. Also your electric car uses electricity. That electricity comes from burning fossil fuel.

[@GunShark0]

@@Jethr001 your name is literally a play on words of Tesla... of course you're biased.

[@BAC_Mono]

Spot on James, We looked at this three years ago when my wife wanted a new car to replace an ageing XC90 diesel. We looked at electric and hybrid Mini's and then bought a 2.0 DSG petrol Mini Countryman. She's done 12,000 miles in 3 years and there is no question that an EV would have actually been more polluting. I commute 8,000-10,000 a year by contrast and will be getting an EV soon, but in conjunction with solar panels to allow me to charge using solar energy. There is no one size fit all solution.

[@jacknedry3925]

Watch out for the battery replacement!

[@steveduvall3137]

Congratulations Jayemm. This is the most rational, comprehensive, unbiased and grown-up discussion piece I have seen anywhere on this topic.

[@terryc8164]

So true, so well balanced I think ALL government ministers should watch this video, plus anyone looking at buying a new car - of any type!

[@YounesLayachi]

And it's such a delicate topic to handle too !

[@jsanders100]

@@terryc8164 now go and listen to Quentin Wilson for the other side of the argument

[@kyle404040]

Been here for quite some time now, stayed for the shirts. The quality of your content is superb and I'm amazed you can put out as much as you do at that quality level. Props to you and the small team behind you if there is one. This is the best take on EVs I've seen and i will refer people to it from here on out!

[@sportzntouring]

James does most of it by himself on this channel. We help out from time to time with some driving and filming (and actually do most of the editing on the JayEmm & Friends channel)... But otherwise, James just works bloody hard!

[@oldmanwillyboy2786]

I have a feeling the "small team" is his Mrs. and she's not "small"

[@dwarfshortage244]

Excellent video. Looking forward to seeing how EVs continue to develop. However, I’ll be daily driving my 328i E36 for as long as possible!

Nice choice B-)

[@jasontietnan5447]

Saving for that exact car love em

[@shanepatrick641]

Good car man!

[@oldmanwillyboy2786]

Same, but I'm driving a re-mapped, Bi-Turbo 210hp, mk4 diesel Golf 1.9..........

[@filibertkraxner305]

Yup. Almost traded in my 335i for a second-hand EV but I'm so glad I didn't.

[@kevsharp2322]

How the hell you manage to talk so coherently, intelligently and at such a pace and length, I will never know. I take my hat off to you

[@williammann7247]

A well organized lecture on pros and cons of many different vehicles and situations. We have the same conditions here in the United States with long distance thrown in for good measure. Much to think about. Thank you. Looking forward to more from you.

[@MrAshleydickens]

About 6 weeks ago, I bought an i3 REX, mainly because I do the same journey (50 miles) each day - I love the technology, I love how cheap it is to charge at home overnight and I love its acceleration - honestly though, carbon emissions didn’t even come into it - it’s just a brilliant little car

[@Marrygoround]

Same here. I have a Rex and a Tesla and both are brilliant cars. I didn’t buy either to be “green”.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

They are just fundamentally better cars. When they make sense, they really do make sense. The industry is young still, things will keep improving rapidly still.

[@hecticman]

Totally agree. This was our motivation for buying an EV.

[@BigUriel]

Of course, the people who are interested in saving the planet buy a 2.5 ton 600hp £100k EV, everybody knows that.

[@Iceeeen]

Same here. The emission crap don't bother me one bit and a electric car is not zero emission, I hate that term!. But the daily journey cost to work does bother me. 7kwh/ a day vs 5-6l of gas. The cost reduction is crazy. It is a small 24kwh car but it does my daily just fine. In the garage sits the fun car for the weekends or long journeys loosing no money at all due to it now being 24 years old. Also for the same reason I fitted solar panels at home (they are definitely not green with how they are made either) . I want cheap electricity and at the moment to be able to sell high on day and buy cheap on the nights is a no brainer :) BTW, the new Kei car is a wonder full idea. Getting rid of those stupid clumsy cars that people need because they can't drive. (I live in the countryside with snow for 4 months and not once have i felt the need for those stupid cars)

[@Sladey93]

This video needs to be seen by everyone who drives a car. Fantastic job James! 😁

[@amauri_dleon7726]

X2

[@melwebb8485]

How much of what James has said does the media know about. I would say all of it, but they dont question EV or net zero emissions. Why? Is there another agenda.

[@RAFchurchlawford4469]

​@@melwebb8485 "Is there another agenda?" KZbin prevent me from talking freely so I'll simply answer your question with a YES 👍

[@dingdingdingdiiiiing]

Useless, because they're hypnotized. If it turned out that EV's produce twice as much pollution as ICE cars and it's proven beyond any doubt, with numbers and studies, they wouldn't want to believe it. Others, yes, definitely, anyone who's thinking about EV's.

[@giancarlovilla1]

When he mentioned hydrogen. He really exposed a lack of educated opinion

[@kamilianos]

absolute joy to listen. I haven't been so glued to my chair for a long time :) well done.

[@chrisbarron5861]

Last year I bought a Cat N repaired 2016 Skoda Superb 2.0 diesel, I get 60mpg, 750 mile range, emissions so low I only pay £20 tax , and it cost me just £5600. I can't see a point in even looking EV's, when I do hundreds of miles per day, sometimes to remote areas with no charge points

[@ggillespie9655]

Brilliant stuff, Jay! Finally a car journalist with the kahunas to present a realistic view of things!

[@AH-yj1kz]

Brilliant or stupid? A lot of old and wrong facts.. Like a big one when he talks about savings and say that a 747 will emit 31 tons/hour. But he forgot that you can have 550 passengers in that plane! So you divide 31 with 550 witch is 0,056 tons per hour. This is only one example how wrong he is. A child understand this but on the comments is more EV-haters that don't mind if the facts wrong...

[@krinos1]

@@AH-yj1kz exactly so lets get rid of aeroplanes and sail everywhere

[@LPMutagen]

Cojones

[@nickg2431]

@@AH-yj1kz you can argue over individual points but the overall message is clear,these things WILL cost you a fortune and will only make a SMALL difference to emissions except "perhaps" in big cities.If anyone wants one i am all for that,but not for outlawing petrol cars by stealth for governmental control of the people

[@AH-yj1kz]

@@nickg2431 Petrol locks people, like me that live in Sweden, we dont have oil. But green energy we can produce a lot of. So for countries without oil electric cars is the only alternative in close future. We dont want to buy expensive oil from countries like Soud Arabia, Russia..

[@robsmith1a]

I bought an EV five years ago (Zoe ZE40) when they were much cheaper. I couldn't fault it's utility and at the time it was super cheap to run. 13p per kWh then and if you knew where to look free public charging and nobody else there. I have always been a petrol head and other than instant torque at low speeds it was a very dull car and felt very heavy for it's size. Swapped it for an 8 year old SLK and got some cash back too. I love the SLK and only do three or four thousand miles per year and haven't flown for years so I am not feeling that guilty about my emissions. I have solar panels now and that is saving loads of gas by heating my water most of the year.

[@stevenbaeyens2652]

I worked for years to be able to buy and afford an amg, rs,... But now it seems that it's not the right choice anymore... I don't know what to do. I too have solarpanels and drive about

[@pistonburner6448]

For anyone driving low amounts of miles per year ICE is much lower in emissions. I too have switched back from EV to lightweight sports car (with low emissions). My ICE car has significantly lower CO2 emissions over its lifetime than my EV had. And that's just with fossil fuels. If they'd get e-fuels available here or if I could convert my car to use biomethane or bioethanol (or I'd buy a diesel car to be able to use biodiesel) then in all cases the ICE is far lower in emissions.

[@xRoRox]

The SLK is a very good car. Mother has the 250cdi and for the money it’s spot on. Under 10k will get a decent example and it will still give 40mpg when driven hard. Impressed with the Mercedes of that era

[@fujohnson8667]

I think electric cars make sense as runabouts and city cars but I just can’t see how things like haulage and long distance travelling can be adapted.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@fujohnson8667 ...and then again as city runabouts they are driven so little that they never cover their huge production emissions. At least with even a medium-sized battery, or if the car is made of aluminium (which is much more polluting to make). You need lots of miles per year for that. Even the data from horribly fraudulent, partisan research papers on lifetime emissions show that for cars which are driven relatively little per year will have less emissions as ICE than as EV.

[@15DEAN1995]

The new kei car idea is a very good one. Make them cheap to buy, cheapt to tax and insure, cheap to run and take up a small footprint. That could fix so many issues. If I needed to travel to London somewhat frequently I'd probably buy one.

[@BigUriel]

Kei cars still take up a lot of space though. Legally a key car still has to drive on one lane, and they can't make the lanes in cities narrower to fit more key cars because then people with regular sized cars wouldn't fit (nor would buses and taxis). Kei cars only work if everybody drives kei cars. The obvious solution is better public transportation which today is shit almost everywhere, and more people opting for two wheels for personal transportation.

[@jondonnelly3]

@@BigUriel Smaller cars emit less, cheaper to run and easier to park. Most cars are under occupied so still a good idea.

[@BigUriel]

@@jondonnelly3 But the savings are relatively small, and they still cost "car money" and they're far less practical when you need to carry people or cargo. Think of the Smart car. I mean it's basically the same idea, and turns out it doesn't really work. It's not that much better on fuel compared to something like a Fiesta, and if you ever need to carry more than one passenger or anything more than a backpack you need a second car for that, most people would just rather buy the Fiesta and do everything with it. The only places in the world where "kei cars" are a thing is where they are enforced by legislation. When it's left up to people to choose what kind of car to buy most would rather spend a little bit more and have something far superior and more versatile.

[@fatfreddyscoat7564]

Kei cars have been around in Asia for decades

[@shanepatrick641]

@@BigUriel I never carry passengers. So for me I could probably do that kei car thing.

[@timcollins380]

Brilliant and very enjoyable. You present some very compelling arguments. It idea of a new Kei car class has real merit. You should publish this video as an article. A mining conference in Western Australia this week suggests shortages of extracted Lithium such that supply will only be 50% of global demand by 2030. The price of EVs will not reduce anytime soon.

[@brianfeely9239]

Wonderfully articulated James. Thank you for this.

[@barrettwbenton]

From This Side o' the Pond: A brilliant overview, Jay. It's often hard to explain why a one-size-fits-all "solution" generally isn't much of one, but I think you've done it about as well as anyone can. The bit about encouraging the use of smaller vehicles - regardless of means of propulsion - is key to me, since here in the States we're seemingly hopelessly-addicted to monster pickups (and their SUV derivatives), often with the excuse of "hey, it's an EV/hybrid, size doesn't matter!", not thinking at all about the congestion issue these vehicles present. Of course, my principal means of transport, long- and short-distance, is on two wheels with an engine (a Vespa GTS 300), so I'm *very* big on the idea of encouraging smaller-footprint motorized transport, which has always been more of a thing Over There than Over Here.

[@2Truth2you]

I was a Tesla delivery driver and brand ambassador. Explained the operations and procedures and signed them off to their beaming owners. Can't remember how many I delivered around the country. As a car enthusiast I can confirm that they are bloody boring to drive. There is little feel and feedback, very easy to gain speed. Very heavy with substantial road noise and poor door seals. Massive acceleration yes and good storage for shopping etc but badly built and plasticky. The central screen is a major distraction and takes your eyes off the road to do simple things like adjust heating select wiper mode etc. As dangerous as using a mobile phone when driving. Charging them was often a major detour from the destination and contributed to long journeys. More cars charging slower the charge. Don't talk about those who have gone shopping for an hour whilst charging their car in the mall with only two chargers. They suck in the real world.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Buy a car from a real car brand..

[@Jethr001]

dont be so lazy

[@derekupson4489]

Two of my friends purchased electric vehicles and both have now sold them for a fraction of their outlay. One of the vehicles had multiple failures with two breakdowns on busy roads.

[@SPC22]

Excellent piece James. Well reasoned, and giving voice to a number of significant issues that I bet many people haven't considered, because they aren't often mentioned in the media. Your primary point, that the best car for each person, both financially, and environmentally, massively depends on their usage, and personal circumstances is bang on. This 'one size fits all' approach by governments is not being driven (pardon the pun) by a desire to offer a real world solution.

[@klasseact6663]

All of this^^^^^^^^

[@walterplant2957]

I believe that Toyota have said they won’t be phasing out petrol because Japan doesn’t have the electric generation capacity to go fully EV . If we were realistic we’d admit the same .

[@richiekuk]

Absolutely the best description, analysis and differences described eloquently and precisely! Nicely done James 👍

[@erikwoodward3788]

You are absolutely correct. Politicians can not force EV's on everyone. You might wonder why they are. California announced 2035 EV only. Then two days later said you can not charge your EV between 4pm and 9pm. It is all about freedom. You will not have the freedom to just get in your car drive when and where you want. That and the cost of a new EV, you will only drive when you have to not when and where you want to.

[@Searly255]

EVs being a bit heavier on there tires also contributes to the huge amount of noise pollution you hear in cities and from main roads. The myth that EVs are quieter only applies of you sit in them or are travelling below 20mph. When an Audi E-tron (SUV) for example, goes past you at 30mph you can almost feel it, it has as much tire noise as a loaded van or HGV.

[@prashanthp5448]

Great video and a proper nuanced perspective. On a non-car related note, that water-cooled PC set-up at the back looks brilliant

[@fionnofearghail4967]

James, thank you. You've put words and structure so eloquently to the thoughts, musings and points of view I know many of us have. Well researched, clearly communicated, balanced and fair. This is a fantastic piece of automotive content.

[@MadelnMachines]

I was in Bucharest the other week and saw an EV being charged from a cable that reached up to the 5th floor window of an apartment. Illustrated the problem very well I thought.

[@lancethrust9488]

DOZENS OF HAZARDS CAN HAPPEN , TRIPPING OVER IT , IT MAY FRAY AND RAIN CAUSING SOMEBODY TO GET AN ELECTRIC SHOCK , ANIMALS MAY BITE IT , VANDALS MAY DESTROY IT , THIEVES WILL STEAL IT ALL THESE PROBLEMS EVEN BEFORE YOU GET TO THE EVEN MORE HAZARDS TICKING TIME BOMB EV CARS !!!!

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

That is a solution, not a problem. Going to a gas station is a problem as well then? How many people are fueling their combustion vehicles at home?

[@lancethrust9488]

@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 HOW MANY CUCK EV OWNERS CANT MAKE THERE LATE NIGHT BOOTY CALL DUE TO NO CHARGE , THEN SEE CALLS TYRONE WHO HAS AN AUDI V6 ...MWAHHHAHAHAH

[@eusuffezzhariefelizany5732]

@@0ooTheMAXXoo0I'm not sure charging an ev from the 5TH FLOOR sounds like a solution. More of an inconvinince really.

[@cliffcampbell8827]

There is a guy here in the U.S. who put a tiny lawn mower carburetor on his old Ford Maverick that has a 302 under the hood. He was getting around 45 miles to the gallon which is beyond excellent gas mileage AND he was able to get the old klunker up to 70 mph on the highway... something to look into.

[@davidbewick9208]

I worked on the production process for the very first Leaf. I could've had one as a first adopter but I have nowhere to charge it. We had a huge discussion over EV or hydrogen but the company had already decided. As of 2019 when I retired the Leaf 60kw battery was manufactured in the USA and imported. . It was and still is very expensive and still doesn't make a profit and no mainstream manufactured EV does. Access to lithium is a dirty business and can be weaponised and don't get me started on cobalt. The Prius was a good attempt but Toyota knew it was emissions negative on an E2E basis. My 10 Yr old Audi S4 looks and performs like the day it left the factory and has done 94k miles and it is going nowhere.

[@skisandcars]

Great video and the most pragmatic on this topic I have seen. I sometimes feel that the 30-40mins is longer than necessary but insight per minutes in this debate was top drawer. Thanks JayEmm.

[@davorinrusevljan6440]

What I would really like is 5.000 Eur electric now days equivalent of Citroen 2CV, Renault 4, original Fiat Panda. I do not need stereo, climate control, nice interior, high speed, 19" wheels, entertainment center, it can look like a shoe box, have plain color. But It has to be below 5.000 mark new, and drive.

[@superseven7947]

Taking delivery of new Diesel Audi in December. I've covered over one million miles in the past 25 years in Diesel cars for my work and I know that's probably the last diesel I'll own. Have to say I think diesel and petrol engibes all seem super efficient. I've never had a single breakdown, did about 600 miles per tank of diesel.. totally reliable and always serviced me well. EVs... Well I think the costs for running /charging them will skyrocket as soon as the majority of people switch over

[@bensmithkent22]

Yup if you own one now have a driveway you are making big savings however when we can all afford to own one or have to they will be much more expensive to run.

[@DjDolHaus86]

The other thing that I think needs to be nipped in the bud with EV's is the scummy practice of additional features being deactivated remotely. I've heard of a lot of people buying a second hand EV with all the bells and whistles (and paying appropriately more for them relative to a more basic model) only to find that a few months down the road, after an update, that a lot of these features have been locked out because the new owner hasn't paid the manufacturer for them despite the feature not being an obvious subscription based service. This is a problem not only for the buyer but it puts the seller at a disadvantage because they can't price their feature specced car (things it does rather than the trim, wheels, paint etc.) for any more than a basic model.

[@bentullett6068]

That is because they are thinking that they need to be tech companies instead of car companies just because they see Tesla is a tech company that makes cars. Plus everyone has been transfixed on buying a phone and subscribing to apps or another example is when you see children playing online games and ask (or don't ask) their parents to pay for a one off or subscription item in the game that allows them to progress further in the game. That is how they have based this technology idea and its its mostly in all modern vehicles EV or ICE.

[@Roguescienceguy]

Let me guess? Tesla, right?

[@Deathknightofdeath]

This is by far the best analysis and explanation on this subject I’ve heard.

[@terrymontague7946]

I can't believe that this video is over 44 minutes long. It had me so engrossed that the time just flew by. A perfect explanation of the current situation. Like you I live in a rural location and here a car is not a choice, it is a requirement. Our three cars are all petrol powered because the scarcity of charge points in this part of the country simply rules out an EV. I would also have to spend far more to get the same quality of vehicle if it is an EV and that is just not going to happen. I care greatly about the climate and my family does a great deal to try and minimise the impact we have on this earth but it has to be balanced with other factors. Most people are intelligent enough to make the right decisions. I just wish the Government would wake up and realise this.

[@5ebra1]

Great video. You are spot on with your assessment that a mix of ICE and EV vehicles is the sensible way forward. Stopping ICE sales on some arbitrary date is ridiculous. I can see us importing nearly new ICE cars from Japan.

[@timsmith5339]

I disagree. I have left a far too lengthy comment somewhere here where I try to address points where I thought he was a little unfair but you cannot properly respond in a few paragraphs. My main point is that we cannot ever be non-polluting as long as we want to keep making stuff (a point that JM himself made). We do want our cars, they will never be completely non-polluting, what do we do? We move to the point where we are making things in a sustainable way. How do we do it? We need energy and materials. Materials we have little choice over until we start mining asteroids or some such far distant dream. All we can do here is be as ecological and ethical in our mining (for example) as possible. Energy we can do more about. We are fast increasing the proportion of renewable electricity in our grids and finding better ways of powering processes where electricity is currently not an option. We can get to a point where the planet can absorb and cope with our demands on it (I hope) and this will then be sustainable. Where can an ICE car fit into this? I don't believe it can. Anything that has to burn fossil fuel is never going to come close to sustainable. It doesn't matter how old it is and how distant a memory the energy used to make it is, to run it, you have to burn stuff and release sequestered carbon and particulates and NOX and all of the other toxic stuff that even the newest and cleanest ICE cars still release. I know that EVs are not perfect and that they apparently shred their tyres faster than ICE cars (not in my experience, but I wouldn't swear to it, it just 'feels' the same to me as any previous cars I've owned), but you cannot keep pouring fossil fuels into a car and burning it and make any sensible claim that this is less damaging than a fully recyclable car that can run on sustainable electricity and creates a couple of kilos of tyre dust in a year compared to tonnes of exhaust pollutants.

[@bomfunk77]

Well done James on a very well thought out and presented video on ev's. Plenty of food for thought 👍

[@mariemccann5895]

Some of the motorway charging points are now closer to £2/kWh which is more than petrol equivalent!

[@stevechisholm84]

Indeed and don't forget the price of the coffee you will be drinking while waiting for the car to charge lol.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@stevechisholm84 They add up! Seriously: the difference between my spending at service stations and the like before owning an EV (about £0) and while owning an EV was ridiculous! And the amount of calories! Completely different lifestyle. My shopping locations changed completely too, as I switched into selecting places with charging, preferably free charging (most of that ended early on).

[@geoffas]

I was alerted to smoke pouring out of my old Lotus Turbo Esprit as I pulled into a filling station to fill her up. It was quite an alarming moment and remains a mystery to this day as to why it was doing so. My best guess is, seeing as it had not been driven for a few months, an oil leak had occurred, and as the motor warmed up the oil on the outside of the engine block was being burned off.

[@jmills1549]

Hard enough paying leccy bill on house.... Prices shooting skyward while power companies go for record profits, prices ordinary folk out,.. I will stick to my range busting diesel. Bought for £100, 7 yrs ago and still going strong (217000 miles, citroen)..... EV. Love the tech .... Hate the price.

[@xRoRox]

Well my family just traded in an ipace for a diesel again since it broke down. Upon breaking down it messed up big time, hazards wouldn’t come on, brakes locked up and took 6 hours to recover. This scared the shit out of them and they sold up and got a big, dirty 3.0 diesel Porsche SUV It was costing a fortune in electricity at the moment 😂

[@kentonian]

It wasn’t because it was an ev, it was because it was Land Rover. They could have bought a Kia of Hyundai ev..

[@xRoRox]

@@kentonian that still doesn’t fix the fact electricity costs a fortune at the minute

[@billwilson3609]

Here in the States, you can buy a late model Tesla with under 10,000 miles for under market value due the owners becoming fed up with frequent breakdowns and poor build quality. There's also plenty of older models with under 50,000 miles being sold by the 4th or 5th owner for really cheap prices since the cost of repairs is astronomical. Those can only be done at Tesla's service centers that charge a labor rate of $300 per hour and one has to take their word that whatever they did was actually needed. What's odd is that Tesla has accounted for 70% or more of new EV sales in the US for the past 20 years. What's not odd is the US public having no interest in owning an EV or hybrid for the past 20 years. Hawaii has the most registered BEV's on the road with .89%. California accounts for 40% of annual new BEV's sales yet only .38% of their registered vehicles are those. Texas has been the second largest market with only .24% of registered vehicles being BEV's.

[@xRoRox]

@@billwilson3609 I don’t have any facts or figures like you’ve got but what I can say from my perspective is EV’s account for a fraction of the vehicles on the road in the here and now. For the average joe, it’s just not affordable in buying, charging or maintaining them when you can spend 5k on an older petrol/diesel that will get you about frugally. Even better is Britain has many collieries, street houses and apartments which cannot sustain that many chargers and being realistic public transport couldn’t cope with the honest Brit worker who gets £10 per hour, family to feed, bills to pay and one basic holiday per year. Many people would lose their right to drive as they’d be priced out of ownership which in turn means they can’t get work as easily which many job advertisements state “must have access to own transport” I can’t see how it goes ahead until they get more reliable, charge a lot quicker, cheaper maintenance and more importantly more chargers which can account for every household

[@billwilson3609]

@@xRoRox The only way Tesla has stayed in business was by receiving state and federal subsidies along with having investors willing to pump money into the company when it was operating at a loss year after year. The Big Automakers and start-ups wouldn't be producing BEV's if they weren't being subsidized by governments since they sell each vehicle at a loss. The BEV's cost an average of $12,000 more to produce than the comparable IC model and can't add all of that expense to the price tag. They'll be forced to stop production of BEV's once governments stop subsidizing the manufacturing of vehicles that nobody is interested in buying. Investors are currently selling their holdings in companies producing BEV's since their operating losses have increased due to the shortage of chips and materials for battery production. The automakers have orders for BEV's that can only be produced in limited numbers due to the shortage with those on the waiting lists becoming irate when the manufacturers increase the purchase price to cover the additional costs for scarce parts and materials. Many are cancelling their order to buy something else and they're not BEV's. The average worker over here prefer owning older vehicles that have a good track record of being reliable and can be repaired at a reasonable cost by a shop or themselves. Parts for those are easy to find at salvage yards, auto parts outlets and the dealerships since so many are still on the road. Those also are easier to sell in the used car market if they're running or not due to that. None are interested in owning an used BEV since those can only be repaired at the dealerships at great expense plus are extremely difficult to sell in the used car market when their basic and powertrain warranties have expired. Many go online to find vehicles for sale by owner and see used BEV's being sold for cheap as parts cars due to the manufacturers no longer producing replacement parts for those models due to low sales numbers. I live in East Texas where most public charging stations are along the interstates outside a motel chain. A few dealerships have one that go unused since those are only available during business hours. A few cities have public charging stations that few use due the cables being stolen by thieves and thugs driving by to see who's getting a charge and sometimes robbing them. Our dealerships give prospective BEV buyers a pamphlet about the charging requirements for the vehicle, the type of chargers that are available, if those need to hard wired to the service panel with a dedicated circuit along with advice to bring in a licensed electrician to see if the amperage needed was available at the panel or if the service ran to the house needed to be enlarged to accommodate the charger. All of that creates an additional cost to purchase a BEV that many can't afford. Back in 2008, some auto industry analysts said the only way BEV's would gain any popularity is when owners could get their recharged in the same time it took to fill a gas tank with the fast charger stations located at the gas stations owned by the major oil companies since those are placed in prime locations. I believe that will happen since all of their new stations going up in my area have plenty of unused space left on the lots. Back then they were also discussing how graphene batteries will replace lithium batteries since those are lighter in weight and be made smaller yet hold a greater charge plus be fully recharged in a short period of time. The only thing holding those back was extremely high cost to produce the graphene. Fairly recently, a research lab has found a method to produce graphene at a greatly reduced cost in small batches so now are trying to figure out how to do that on an industrial scale.

[@ILikeIT-UK]

I like the new PC hanging on your wall. Looks like a lot of custom work.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

It was! Video coming soon

[@karllelliott681]

I am glad you are highlighting the EV mass, momentum Vs tyre wear, road wear & pollution argument (like thermal runaway) as I have been trying to highlight this to folks whenever the conversation heads in this direction, to generally zero effect! Nicely thought provoking piece all in all and an excellent summary which should hopefully 'provoke' a few brain cells into life, hopefully somewhere useful!

[@Japnut]

Are you trying to say evs are heavier than ICE engined cars?

[@karllelliott681]

@@Japnut Not exclusively.

[@macaron3141592653]

The biggest problem is Battery Aquisition. Until we figure our how to make it greener and sustainable, they won't really fix any problems. You need to drive alot to make it worth it.

[@guylarabie8229]

The comments may be appropriate for the UK.However, they are not valid for me living in Canada where we generate 97% of our electricity by clean, renewable hydro electricity. Also the long term maintenance costs are much lower. Finally, distances traveled are much cheaper higher in Canada.

[@andrewvickers6999]

Given the carbon cost of producing any new car, and the fact there are hundreds of thousands of cars already in existence with plenty of usable miles left in them, surely it's better for the environment to use them up first. I do about 3000 miles a year and I recently bought a 2014 C63 estate. It's fun, I enjoy it and if I don't do the miles in it, someone else will! Andrew.

[@benholroyd5221]

Is that an argument for banning ic cars today, so we can make full use of them all?

[@andrewvickers6999]

@@benholroyd5221 Hi Ben. We can still make full use of them for as long as they exist whether or not they get banned now. Thing is existing cars have a value and no one wants to lose that money. So they WILL be used until death (or until their value is low enough to be worth scrapping).

[@rover213]

I agree... and these 2 points are the ones that makes me keeping on buying "old cars" 1: the minimum wage or income that I'm subjected to, that limits my choice in car purchase, other priorities take place so for me a old cheap and very reliable car is the best option 2: not all available ev's are even affordable or in the price range I can afford to buy let alone pay the maintenance cost wen it arrives ( replacing batteries ), also the issue is I love small compact cars, and not much to choose from or models available or have the range I want like for example a diesel that does 1000km in 1 full tank, to make matters worst they are turning into SUV's into the what the market wants not what WE actually need, so production cost there is also worst...

[@benholroyd5221]

I do have concerns that the second hand ev market is shallow, and we are reaching a point where we have a large group of people that can't afford EVs. This is slowly getting solved with falling prices I don't know if it will be solved enough though.

[@PcyTrail]

A lot of good information, and I agree with you for a large portion of the discussion. One issue I have is the residual value of EV regarding battery degradation. I DO believe some of the fear mongering is justified. I had a 970 Panamera E-hybrid and got a replacement 971 back in 2017. With a EV range of 30 it was useful around towns and had brilliant highway mileage when new. Now the battery pack can do barely 15 miles and the residual is much worse than the 2.9 gas model Panamera.

[@adam.677]

Your right 👍 it's not even questionable. The battery's loose about 50% of the range 😂 there are lots of reviews of old electric cars, there all the same 😂I have no idea why Jay was so confident it's all "coswallops" 😂

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

@@adam.677 Even the oldest leaf batteries can last forever never dropping below 80-84% of the initial capacity if their temperature is managed. Leaf batteries installed in a car are not actively cooled or warmed so they degrade faster... Almost all EVs have strict battery temperature control these days and so the batteries can last a million miles never dropping below about 80%... On average! More perfect cells means better results and more cells with flaws mean more degradation. With LFP batteries (lithium Iron phosphate, no nickel or cobalt) they last at least double and have even less degradation and are less temperature critical... Last year LFP batteries represented about half of all batteries Tesla used for example... Many of the used cars of which you speak were not actively controlling the battery temperature and so the batteries degrade more...

[@adam.677]

@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 thanks for that word salad 😂 using alot of big words is not gunna change the fact that they are shit and loose loads of range over the years, you are lieing. Plus the "claimed" range is a lie. Not a single EV in the real world does the claimed range, as soon as you add a cupple of passengers and some luggage with some sporty driving with the heated seats and aircon turned on the range can be almost 50% less 😂 how pathetic! Good luck living in the 1900's 😂 EVs are hilarious

[@williamblackburn6615]

Very well done ...you could be an excellent mainstream tv motoring presenter..

[@aaronwilliams6165]

This was the most comprehensive non biased discussion I have heard about transportation technology. Great job! I would use this as a college discussion topic with your video being required as part of the assignment.

[@carlexplores8709]

You're right on the limiting material supplies...silicon chip shortages affected ALL cars!

[@andrewallen9993]

Dont be silly! my 1964 vw splittie kombi has no silicon chips at all whatsoever and the W110 200 Mercedes only uses electricity for lights and startig.

[@disaffectedmale]

And motorcycles, I ordered a 2022 Yamaha MT10 back in March with a HEFTY deposit, plus a lot of additional extras. About 16k spent. Ordered from one of, if not the largest multi brand motorcycle dealerships in the UK. Still waiting.... That's the summer gone then. Assuming it arrives anytime soon it's straight into the shed with it until the springtime. Somehow I feel having to wait for even more months to actually get some use out of my 16k when it's sat here all winter is even worse than the murderous delay in delivery. At least that gives me time to remove the 4 catalytic converters that they had to strangle the engine with to pass Euro 5 regulations. It will spit flames when I'm done with it. It won't have to go near an MOT centre for 3 years. I'm so anti this agenda we've had rammed down our throats for years that I now go out of my way to do the exact opposite of what they want.

[@andrewallen9993]

@@disaffectedmale Ask for your money back and spend a quarter of it at F2 motorcycles for a Jawa 350 two stroke! Remember to add additional two stroke oil to the petrol so it doesn't wear out too quickly as the autolube doesn't supply enough in my opinion.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

@@disaffectedmale Demand for EVs is way higher than production and trends are for ICE demand to dry up by 2025-2026... The laws are way behind where the industry and the demand is at... Tesla selling well basically made the laws possible... Demand preceded the laws... Governments have been pushing for these changes since the 1990s, but auto industry were successful at fighting those mandates until Tesla showed that EVs can be cheaper to make and more desirable than combustion vehicles in the same class... Even president of Honda that sold the leaf for many years said that Tesla is what caused the change to happen when it did.

[@Mocha_122]

I just don't like it when gas prices are expensive and a certain group of people just tells us "just buy an ev"

[@Komrade_juice]

Ah yes, the classic. Wait you're poor? Have you tried being NOT poor?

[@MrSplcrazy]

Ev's are not really any cheaper to fill than a gas powered car at the moment due to energy prices.

[@barbusbogdan7]

@@MrSplcrazy yep. From today my prius plug in will be more expensive to charge it at home than burnong fuel lol. So I'll just charge it at free charging stations.

[@pistonburner6448]

@@Komrade_juice I'm expecting to start seeing people traveling around in sedan chairs carried by immigrants...cheaper than other forms of transport and maybe the woke will somehow rationalize it as a good thing

[@wayland7150]

@@MrSplcrazy Car fuel has a big tax on it. If you filled your car with domestic heating fuel it's cheaper to run.

[@davidthomas1424]

"Pete's just difficult .. and you might end up killing one of them" - that got me 😁👍 Thank you for these really useful and informative videos. Thank you for making the investment 👍👍

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks David

[@seanswilson]

Excellent video covering all angles, and every time I thought 'and what about X', you had the answer. The one thing I reckon you missed/omitted is the future cost of electricity to everyone, not just EV owners. I keep seeing ads from electricity companies offering cheap rates to EV owners and I've seen on forums EV owners complaining that they should be paying less for electric, yet they still have the sort of money to go out and buy one of these, and they don't have to pay road tax (VED). More to the point, what about as more and more EVs hit the roads? There is already talk of possible blackouts this winter and that's due to current supply issues with oil and gas, but ignoring that, there isn't enough infrastructure being built to supply even more electric. That leads to supply and demand, and with a higher demand, that means higher prices, and it won't just be for those with EVs. It will be for everyone, whether you drive an EV, a petrol, a diesel, a hybrid or don't even have a car. The cost of electricity is going to go through the roof and everyone will be paying extra for it. So much for a green future.

[@chrisbarron5861]

The best use case model is a PHEV, giving 30 miles of EV range and then internal combustion after that, but it's almost as if car manufacturers don't want to give us those, they only make large PHEVs. A Fiat 500 sized PHEV would be great

[@robi4387]

You may be right but when everyone did not understand and just wanted EVs to replace diesel they didn't want EVs with 35miles of range and demanded more. So Tesla made longer range cars and now Tesla is thought to be the best EV car brand - funny that isn't it in a sad sort of way.

[@jakobholgersson4400]

Nice video. I too am a proponent of introducing Keicars in Europe, complete with the same perks they get and the same penalties other vehicles receive in Japan.

[@johnmoncrieff3034]

I fully agree with you, but add that if the government were to encourage the continued use of older and classic cars such as original Minis, Escort, Pug 205 & 106, allowing them to be converted either to EV or modern ice units that are very efficient, that would be reducing the CO2 levels by a considerable amount.

[@PortugalCarp]

Ruddy well put, got to get this out there. Share it people. Thanks for posting it.

[@davidowen2859]

Great take on things Jay. One thing to add that no one is talking about, the national grid. As a new house builder we are asked if we propose to put a charger in when we apply for a new supply. We are also being told that the without massive improvements to the grid we will soon, very soon run out of capacity and NO one in authority is even thinking about addressing this. Yet again policy without any sort of plan. I guess in about 12 months we will start to be refused car chargers. Then where will the EV policy be. I can feel a U TURN coming on.

[@Jkirk3279]

Oh, somebody’s lying... The Grid is growing at 4% per year; EV’s are growing at 2% per year. And the big strain on our current grid is AIR CONDITIONING. So, that’s only during the height of the summer, and then only during the day. When do we charge our EV’s? AT NIGHT. How long does it take? Less than an hour. How much power do you need? About as much as baking a cake in an electric oven. I’m thinking these stories about the Grid are “gaslighting”. You know the term, right? The Gas Light companies fought Thomas Edison, trying to scare people away from using electric lights. Hmm. Who won THAT fight? Oh, yeah. Thomas Edison did. Because lies don’t fool everybody.

[@davidowen2859]

@@Jkirk3279 Thanks for your polite response. If you would like to PM me you can visit one of our Developments and speak to Northern Power Grid then perhaps you can call me a liar to my face.

[@Supraboyes]

@@Jkirk3279 where exactly did you get your "facts"

[@davidowen2859]

@@Supraboyes No facts just another clown who thinks he knows more than the people on the ground actually doing the installs. Then off to be clever on another post.

[@ShaunWinburn]

Well Done Sir !! Many Valid Points Made !! And now you got me thinking !! 👍

[@jeffarcher400]

The extra pollution from an older car is nothing compared to the damage of making one from scratch. If everyone could have a cheap smaller battery electric to run errands and a gas car for long trips things will work out. Being forced to rely on one energy source leaves us vulnerable to shortages. Many battery fires seem to come from shocks and vibration causing shorts in the connection between cells. This causes fires while charging...or in storage. This is from e bike hearsay but now I'm thinking of keeping things outside and away from structures. Been thinking about a lead acid battery system with a large electrolyte reservoir. Fueling stations could recharge the electrolyte using solar,wind or grid. We can make our own fuel cheaply without lithium. Every house could have an electrolyte tank storing energy off solar for night and refueling the car.

[@brianbradford3363]

I think you've offered a very well rounded view J. This is one of the reasons I enjoy watching your channel. I'm both an excited car enthusiast but also supportive for the new EV wave and agree, a 1-size-fits-all approach is not the best way forward. I'm in Australia, and looking at our version of AutoTrader, I see that the 10 year mark is very interesting. We have approx 168k cars listed, but only approx 60,0000 listed which are more have travelled more than 100,000km. Add in the age factor of nothing newer than 2012, leaves about 30,000 or about 18% of all listings which could be converted into what could be considered a future emissions positive used EV car market, unless they become worthless after 10 years due to battery failures. Take back out the 10 year age rule, and back to 60,000. Or just under a third. If batteries prove to last longer then this is a fair chunk of cars going the furtherest way to reducing the emissions in comparison to internal combustion. I'll support those who won't drive their EVs long enough distance because ultimately, it brings more options to the market at lower prices that others can afford. Only time will tell! 👍

[@andrewphillips6436]

Finally, someone who understands it's horses for courses. I drive 20k per year for work. Until recently an EV wasn't viable for me due to range & initial purchase cost. My work car has traditionally been a diesel & as a 'tool for a job' it is ideal. Recently I swapped it for an EV, it was a huge step into the unknown, but I've had experience of a Zoe ZE40 and other than it's limited range, it was actually a really good car. And I thought that if the range was there, an EV might just work for me, providing it was relatively affordable. So, with my lease on the diesel coming to an end, I did a little research & have gone for the longest range EV available at the point of order (14 months ago). It boiled down to a Mach-e or a Tesla 3 or Y. In the end it was literally the one tgat, on paper at least, went the furthest - Ford won the day. It arrived 2 months ago & so far at least, it's working out fine - 4500miles done to date & it gets me pretty much wherever i need to go on one charge, with a stop on the way home to put just enough miles on to get me there. So far at least, this works for me. It won't work for everyone. I am happy doing the mundane work miles on electrons & will keep my weekend fun driving petrochemical. For me at least, a perfect combination. Let's see how the Mustang does in the winter though...

[@ATCDave1]

Well done JayEmm!

[@Carrera-gp9od]

I have no interes in ev”s whatsoever, although I will probably be forced in to one one day . It does my head in when they say zero emissions What a load of bollocks

[@3wheeler1000]

You didn't mention old tech. As EVs get older, the on board tech will either become obsolete or break. Either way, if a screen breaks, it renders a car unuseable. Who will want to fix this for more than the cars worth, and then still have old tech? They are way more disposeable than ICE (clockwork) cars. Many simply will not reach their Co2 lifetime.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

This was discussed at length in another video of mine, and in ways is the key theme of this video (people throw away cars before end of life, so you can't do maths based on them reaching end of life)

[@The-Sea-Dragon-1977]

As one of my old teachers used to say: Good point, well made.

[@crimsonwolf0428]

Brilliant video! This is probably the most in-depth information I've ever received comparing the different fuel options versus electric with actual supporting facts. You did an excellent job of clarifying the realities. Very much appreciated, James! 😀

[@leesbian]

Interesting video Great idea regarding K cars - I could see a company such as Caterham could be in a position to develop a small, lightweight, cheap, and fun runaround There is also the option that exists in France, where a quadricycle is exempt from a car license - and you have some interesting cars like the Citroen Ami, which Citroen say you can lease for only £19.99/month Where longer range is required the gap could be filled with more pay-by-the-hour lease companies, which have cars with longer range (whether hybrid or EV) Regardless of green credentials, we could be in the cusp of something exciting if we can collectively get over our range anxiety, and embrace smaller, more efficient, cheaper vehicles like the Ami

[@marcelhannover3]

Very interesting video - I would be very interested to see a similar one about the pros and cons of hybrids.

[@mareewalks1238]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJ2ydIZvaq-poMU great video on h

[@runeaanderaa6840]

I checked the prices of used EVs in Norway to see if the value holds up. 16 Tesla S had driven more than 200 000 km. Oldest from 2013 and the newest from 2017. Prices from 24 000 - 39 000 Euro. These cars retain their value better than an equally priced Mercedes, and will most likely have driven a longer distance when being scrapped. The same seems also to be the case with other EVs.

[@macrumpton]

You bring to mind a person around 1900 saying "sure horses are a pain to maintain and feed, but I can't see people switching to automobiles" and then 10 years later 85% of horses have been replaced by automobiles and within 20 years 99% of young people have never seen a live horse.

[@theoriginaldylangreene]

Funny, you bring to mind a person around 1900 saying "Ha, a horse? My wood-gas fired steam car is clearly the future."

[@degensanonymous]

Also would like to say - this could be a documentary! Can you get it onto a Netflix or something? Would love the exposure 🙏🏼💪🏽

[@minatormyth]

People across the planet are being forced to change. Although evs might give you a great experience, it's my choice not to have one. If they are trying to force me, I won't play along. They will keep on moving the goal posts until absolutely no one will be allowed to have personal transport or travel without out the government/computer saying yes.

[@JasonWaterfalls13]

Autonomous cars with government approved routes only. Book it.

[@jetstream1958]

Wow! Right to the point! This Video should be televised immediately. I have never seen a more informative presentation on this theme. 👏 Great job!

[@henryrolt3747]

20:00 Yes Yes Yes! We need a Kei-like class of car in the UK. I've owned 3 mk1 (early 2000s) Yarises so far. And I honestly feel like I have some kind of cheat code to motoring. They're nippy enough, good on fuel, easy to park, and best of all, fit through gaps that bigger vehicles don't.

[@nickg2431]

Thanks James ,I have been banging on to friends about some of the points you make for years, perhaps if they hear it from someone else,in this clear concise manner they might actually listen!

[@sbarneaionut]

Brilliant. The bit that shocked me was the 50 quid for 200 miles. I use a 1.4 ivtec Honda Civic and I get around 450 miles from a full tank and that is doing driving lessons and costs me around 68-82 quid to fill it up…. That is mind blowing.

[@MarcoNierop]

Exept that it is bullocks, it is much cheaper to charge. 31 eurocents per Kwh AC charging, my Model Y does 155Wh per Km, that is 0,155x0.31 = 5 cents per Km or 7.7 Euro cents per mile, so 450 miles would cost you €34.81 or 30.60 British Pounds Supercharging has gone up to 70 cents now, so if you would do 100% supercharging That would cost you (70/31)*30.60 = 69 british pounds, so about the same as you pay right now for petrol for your civic. But you would never do that as a driving school, you probably charge overnight at the AC charger at home, or like me at the public AC charging pole in the street, and that would be sufficient to get through the day driving.. or you top it up at a fast charger during your lunch break. So if you even use partly fast charging to get through the day, it still would be much cheaper to charge than to fill up with petrol. Also this price for supercharging is extremely high for Tesla, I do not expect this will remain so high and will come down as soon as prices for electricity come down and normalize. It is all caused by the high price of gas, while the price of wind and solar has not changed, once Putin is defeated and gas prices turn back to normal, price of electricity will come down too

[@sbarneaionut]

@@MarcoNierop i do 500 miles in 2 days on average so I would need a supercharger plus I teach manual and also I cannot afford a 50-60k car, so to start with is not economical. I admire what they can do, don’t get me wrong but they (as it is now) are not an option for me. Plus if you think about it, I do not use a new car so no carbon footprint for a new (combustion or electric) car.

[@Telcontarnz]

@@sbarneaionut if you do 500 miles in 2 days that’s 180,000 miles a year. If you did 50,000 miles @30mpg. That would cost you nearly 7,000 pounds, vs 1,250 on public charging…plus the saved servicing. So that’s a big saving to put into lease payments. And you’ll be able to charge 500 miles at home in 2 days with a wall charger.

[@alext2933]

Hi Jay. FYI There are gangs stealing charging cables for the huge amounts of copper in them. Also I totally agree about the total environmental footprint of EVs. Also rare earth minerals are just not abundant enough for all to have a large battery pack in their vehicle. Especially if China pulls the plug on export (as you touched upon) as they won the rare earth mineral lottery. Great piece.

[@pistonburner6448]

China didn't happen to own the battery minerals. They've had this ploy for decades, and they've worked for years and years snatching up the raw materials rights all over the world. Their plan is to snatch it up as much as possible and then use it to dominate the west...and because they bribe our politicians they're working with the Chinese.

[@benholroyd5221]

There are different battery chemistry's though. If lithium becomes a problem, that will just manufacturers to other things.

[@kentonian]

Lithium is an inert metal and abundant in both seawater and the earths crust

[@itsmeagain1745]

How many remember the 1970's when OPEC pulled the oil plug...

[@lancethrust9488]

SAME IN UK THESE LEGENDS MAY SINGLE HANDLY BRING THIS PONZI DOWN !!!!

[@SnazzBot]

He's right we need more electric trains.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

More public transport in general is always benneficial.

[@eag8999]

The issue with lower are two fold: Higher battery usage degrades battery life exponentially. And Cold weather environments will see dramatically lower range.

[@davidwhamilton8559]

Your looking at the stats today what about in 20 years when 90% of all houses have solar panels And 80 to 90% of electric vehicle batteries will be from recycling the old ones. Then your numbers will be quite different than they are today by a long shot. We just have to get there Using oil is making our enemies filthy rich. So you’re right as of right now electric cars are about 15% cleaner than ice but that will not be the case in the future it just takes time. It will be a closed loop system. 98% of batteries can be recycled

[@Maverickoverbomber]

Absolutely on the money, for too long politicians, in particular, have sought a quick solution to what is a complex problem. The only thing I would add is that public transport needs to be fully integrated and better thought through, so it provides another option for some journeys. Part of the solution could be to use private transportation less, which even with an old tech diesel, would be better ‘for the planet’ overall than a new tech EV.

[@JoJoJoker]

Electric vehicles are being promoted so they can be used as an excuse to ban private transportation. Private domestic transportation, unlike public transportation, is a human right. A tiny nuclear battery could power a steam car for decades. That should be the long-term goal.

[@Maverickoverbomber]

@@JoJoJoker the ultimate private domestic transportation must surely be walking? The reality is that if we are to enjoy driving in the future, running classic cars or having ICE vehicles we are going to have to compromise. Do I want a nuclear battery powered steam car? No, I’ve grown up with, and enjoy ICE vehicles, the noise, the smell, the changing gear to match the road speed. There is nothing wrong with an electric car, but, to me at least, they are an appliance to do a job, in the same way a toaster is an appliance. Not saying I would never have one, but if I do, it will be because I need it for what it does and it is the best way to accomplish that, not for any other reason.

[@lorddoobsworth144]

@@JoJoJoker Yep, and when the entire globe is using a Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC), you will only be allowed to use so much energy per day too, and eat certains kind and amounts of food, etc, or there goes your credits...

[@shanepatrick641]

@@lorddoobsworth144 it’s scary that we are heading towards communism

[@daiganzen7794]

I live in London and I say to everybody, I would have an EV in a heartbeat if I could charge the thing at home

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

So, no gas cars then since you cannot refuel them at home?

[@tiguanman1170]

An excellent video. Personally, I think drive what you want, that meets your needs, at a value that suits you, paid for how you want. No need to get pulled into EV groupthink. EV charging even at best rates is hardly cheaper than a petrol or diesel car so that's not in the mix now. By a £5k diesel estate and you can do 500 miles in a day without much problem. Buy a £50k EV and it will much more difficult. In urban areas, the plan is to get rid of all cars whatever they are powered by. Once EV's are taxed by the mile, the financial saving will disappear. Just own and drive what makes you happy.

[@ngacni]

I'm working on a concept vehicle that would solve a lot of the issues mentioned. Our seeing of the problem/solution is almost exactly the same. Thank you for explaining everything so well!

[@reuheupap771]

Cool! I would like to see this project sounds interesting.

[@AB-gb8lb]

The reason people really buy new cars is “status” and not a lot more , and that’s why they change every three years …it’s not A to B anymore, it has to be experiencial and special. Little electric cars in the city don’t offer status , Aston Martin tried it with the Cygnet and they won’t be going back there in a hurry!

[@alexadelaide]

I’m 1/3 in and clicking like already. For simply applying some critical thinking, you don’t disappoint mate

[@wayland7150]

Critical Thinking? You mean Hate Speech. JayM is attacking people's EV religion.

[@alexadelaide]

@@wayland7150 any religion requires the suspension of critical thinking

[@ashb8572]

Having owned EVs for 5 years and watched a lot of content about them, this is one of the best videos out there. Very fair, balanced and detailed. I recently sold my 8 month old long range EV (MG5 LR) for a Dacia Bi fuel (LPG). This is to avoid the charger anxiety around faulty units upon arrival or queuing up to get a charge. Also the increase in Electricity costs (both home and public) swung things when comparing pence per mile ect. So I totally agree with doing what's right for individual case scenarios. On a side note we still have an 8 year old Nissan Leaf, which is used for all the urban stuff and love it!

[@mwahahaha]

What an amazing video - balanced, considered and informative- absolutely brilliant. I didn’t feel you were biased in either way, I feel like I understand the pros and cons around EV vs ICE a lot more than I was an hour ago - thank you James!

[@lucamuller6729]

The weight and size of a car does very little to help congestion in cities. Low income households would be helped a lot more if the dependence on cars (even in big cities) would be decreased. IC Engines are close to optimal and are on their way out. Electric Cars have a lot of improvement still ahead of them and the Chinese manufacturers are showing it right now, with large scale implementation of LFP Batteries improving safety and longevity across brands. Are electric cars a big risk right now because of bad design; no doubt they are yes. The decision to delay the development of this technology to this day was a really bad idea and we pay the price right now with hastily implemented environment regulations and helpless manufacturers. If you do something fast (because we now have to) mistakes are more likely. But to then think this is the best reaction to that, is just plane ignorant. What did you mention to improve the situation. Buy smaller cars - well people buy what they want (often bigger because of perceived safety) Dont make cars so expensive because they are essential - well then, how the .. did we come here? Dont let you get yourself in a resource dependency with a unstable governments - thats not really a argument isnt it, the alternative is a resource you have to get and use it once (to burn it) how is this better to using a material in a chemical process around a 1000 times before it can be recycled? Nuclear - thats a valid option for a lot of experts as well yes, and i support that Its not the propulsion thats the problem

[@IanSlothieRolfe]

Another big problem with madating EVs by 2030 as so many countries have done (mostly as a virtue signal) is the problem of Lithium. We currently do not have a sixth of the Lithium being mined required to replace all new cars with EVs, even if all the proposed mining schemes that exist are approved - and many are not, ironically often on the basis of environmental concerns. And we hear a lot about how Lithium batteries can be recycled, which is partially true, the Lithium in batteries can be recycled to be used in greases, pharmaceuticals and other products but not into Lithium pure enough to be used in batteries. There is not one recycling plant in the world that can do that, and Lithium recycling is not economic unless heavily subsidised by government, and its arguable if there is a market for the Lithium in the volumes likely to be available once use of EVs kicks in. Most battery recycling actually makes its money from Cobolt and other minerals extracted from a few types of batteries, not necessarily the types used in cars. So we can expect 100% uptake in EVs will result in the stripmining of huge areas of the earth, probably in valuable ecosystems, by countries less worried about rare species and the welfare, safety and human rights of the people doing the mining than they are about selling the Lithium ores.. But people in Kensington will be able to feel good, because they are doing their part.