Is the Housing Crisis Causing The Population Collapse?

[@kaiserbauch9092]

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[@MonsieurDean]

They're a pretty good service. I use it myself.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

Not a housing Crisis. But affordable housing Crisis . The free apartments provided by the Soviet government may have been small but they made it easier for every young family to have a Children's bedroom .

[@StudioReiner]

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa There’s only one industry who will care about this. War economy!

[@ironstarAcles]

women are the bottleneck to reproduction.. so you mega WRONG

[@azeke8]

I am glad you made this video. It gets very tiring seeing people in the comments of demographics related videos, always boiling it down to housing affordability. I believe there are three main reasons for the ongoing demographic collapse. 1) Women entering workforce en-masse during WWII and Sexual Revolution of 1960s 2) Technological turning point of late 2000s (social media, online dating, doomscrolling, games, etc) 3) Wages after 2008 ceased being able to keep up with price increases, especially in relation to housing. Points 1 & 2 = many women not wanting to give birth. Points 1 & 3 = women now HAVE TO work. Stay at home wife, is no longer a financially viable option for the vast majority of the population. Keeping in mind that raising kids takes a lot of energy, time and patience, it is no wonder that many women in the west are completely childless or have just one kid, which they usually give birth to by mistake in late teens or at last possible chance in their late 30s / early 40s. Men are mainly financially motivated when it comes to children these days and don’t think about children being continuation of themselves and their bloodline due to cultural / mental disconnection with the past.

[@yedrellow]

My guess is that house prices act are instead a proxy for a requirement for two incomes which is the actual issue. If households need two incomes, regardless of the reason, then fertility drops. If living conditions are contingent on dual incomes in that economy then women will be pressured to go through extensive career progression and education, which reduces fertility.

[@vorynrosethorn903]

This is probably correct.

[@TheMoniquebean]

This.

[@elvolvasky69]

The banking sector is half responsible for that problem. Only give loans NOW to people with good income In the past the loans was more flexible

[@radioandroid-bx5un]

Bingo!

[@gentronseven]

@@elvolvasky69 Loans are fine, it's the distribution of money in the economy that is the problem. Government spending has led to massive inflation since 1970 when the gold standard was destroyed and this has transferred wealth to a smaller and smaller percentage of already wealthy people. Inflation needs to be ended and the people who profited from asset inflation need to be punished to reset the distribution of wealth to before the government looted the people to fund billionaires.

[@BusanDalint]

The last 6 women I have been on a date with said that they would never under any conditions consider having even a single child, even if they met the perfect man and had unlimited money. Nothing can change that. They hated the idea of motherhood, pregnancy, giving birth and taking care of anyone else besides them.

[@yisraelmeirsobel907]

In my opinion, the idea that we have almost nothing to do with our parents, causes many to not identify with there children as a continuation of themselves.

[@OneManTaco]

Imagine giving even a smidge of credibility to what women say. They don't know what they want until they get it, then it's all good.

[@SaxonYear410]

That's just youth talking, they all change their tune once the 30's arrive.

[@Vinzmannn]

Do what you like, but I think one big problem here is "last 6 women I dated". If you date this many women I suspect neither you nor them are down for a stable, long term relationship. More choosing, less dating

[@weasel9062]

​@@SaxonYear410and their ovaries are half dead and they still think they are going to land a multimillionaire, chiseled male model.

[@Novgorod_Republic]

I noticed how people don't even have in their mind the correlation between urbanization and fertility rate. There is absolutely no understanding of just how important a factor it is. Throughout the whole of history, cities were population sink holes, that never produced population, but imported it from the countryside, which was inhabited by the overwhelming majority of the population. Which meant that it was the culture of the countryside that was dominating the country, apart from cities. And cities are inherently child-free, they were never a place where people would want to have kids. It was always a place people came to earn MONEY, which is all city culture is about. And nowadays this culture is dominating in our world, as MOST people are living in cities, as opposed to being a tiny minority for the whole history of humanity. That is why when you ask average person why don't they make kids, the first thing that comes to their mind as an excuse is MONEY.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

I like that explanation. I will agree that money has become the new purpose of everything. Money money money. Nothing else matters. No wonder everyone is sick and depressed.

[@aliced2865]

Do you have any reliable sources to spare? I find that assumption very interesting, but I couldn't find any plausible historical evidence or books on that topic, since experts tend to disagree a lot on that particular idea

[@m.m.1301]

The connection is there. Especially if you read the excellent book "The Human tide" by Paul Morland, you realize that historically urbanisation has been heavily related to the reduction in fertility. However, correlation doesn't mean causation. I wonder, is urbanisation the cause in itself? Maybe it's because urban people tend to be less conservative and religious compared to rural people

[@incelanthem8481]

And women not needing men and being unattracted to non handsome men. Just say it

[@cinnamonstar808]

Correction: he is talking about his culture. just his people. Others on earth are perfectly fine.

[@natedogg890]

I worked so hard so my wife and I could buy a house. I'm talking about 80-100 hour weeks for years, I had a full time job, taught 3 courses at the local college per semester and then freelance work/my own business. We finally bought an amazing house last year... And then my industry collapsed, I reached my limit and have now regressed to working the bare minimum. Im so burnt out I can barely handle anything except sleeping, reading and taking my dog for 2 hour walks... Forget kids

[@penzorphallos3199]

The larger answer is "Security". Not just housing obviously. Housing, financial, education, social, street, health, retirement, media or job security etc are all individualy failing at the same time, and they are all negatively impacting fertility at the same time.

[@matan27d]

By your logic, insecure Israel should have a very low fertility rate, which is not the case.

[@t3knoman00]

​@@matan27di agree but in fairness it is the orthodox community having children.

[@penzorphallos3199]

@@matan27d if you remove the ultra orthodox religious population, israel has the same natality trends. Thank you for helping my point

[@raymond_sycamore]

Plus women hate men now.

[@jostnamane3951]

​@@penzorphallos3199 No it does not. A non-Orthodox Jew still has a fertility rate of 2.4 children, which is higher than even some developing countries like Indonesia, Vietnam, Bangladesh etc. My country has a fertility rate of 1.98 as of 2023, the rate for poor and conservative individuals is 3.0 children per woman and for modernized individuals it is 1.5 children per woman. Israel is doing exceptionally well in regards to birth rates no matter how we look at it.

[@ВикторГайдаржи-ъ2б]

You see, the problem is that some people who can afford housing CHOOSE not to have chidren, but people who can`t afford housing - CAN`T AFFORD children no matter of their choice. So if you want to restore the population growth - you need to make housing more affordable, with that you will have higher chance that people who want children will be able to afford them. It`s a lot easier than to expect that people who don`t want children will somehow will want them.

[@effexon]

detailed studies support this... people want more kids than they actually got... or were confident enough too late so they only had 1 kid instead of 2-3. those who actually decided not to have kids are minority but this is touchy subject in many aspects.

[@tealkerberus748]

@@effexon The people who actually don't want kids aren't part of the equation anyway. They're busy doing all the other things we need to keep society functional that a responsible person wouldn't choose to do if they had kids at home who need to see them at the dinner table every night, and that's valid. But the real problem is people who do want kids, choosing not to have them, or choosing to just have one when they'd like more if only they could afford a big family. Of course this is ignoring the fact that the world is overpopulated and it would take about 10 generations of fertility 1.6 just to get us below one billion. So the real problem isn't low fertility, it's a broken economic system that cannot function without line-go-up. The planet can't afford to continue line-go-up.

[@him_That_is_me]

Like a true centrist, I think that it’s a balance between many factors >housing prices >living area (indoor and outdoor) >career stability >disposable income >extreme political opinion differences between sexes >free time

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

by the time all factors line up just right, people are too old to have more than one or two kids. Either they can't because one or both partners become infertile or they just don't want to because they don't have enough energy to keep up with more kids than they already have.

[@him_That_is_me]

@@lamebubblesflysohigh my parents had my perfectly healthy younger brother when mom was 39 and dad was 36 so I have never really bought into the whole infertility with age argument. And I genuinely do feel like we will have an uptick in births once everyone who didn't have kids in their 20s have kids in their 30s

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

@@him_That_is_me but how many children they had after him? All my female friends (wives of my friends) have fertility problems. Two are outright infertile and one needed help via assisted reproduction. We are all in mid to late 30s. Age is a big factor. I am not saying everyone becomes infertile in late 30s but a significant chunk of people (especially women) will and it will (and already imho is) show on total reproduction rate of population.

[@pisasupayani]

Most important factor(only real factor imo) is the motivation to have kids. Everything else is noise by historic standards

[@meixo9083]

@@pisasupayani the question is: what drives the motivation to have kids?

[@CountJeffula]

It’s not just houses. Having to buy items that should last years every three months isn’t helping. Batteries, light bulbs, electronics. Houses are not only expensive, but nonfunctional and broken upon completion. Cheap floors that bounce, cheap trims, cheap cabinets. All sold at highest possible price.

[@kdri267]

meanwhile a mud hut in africa, women have 4-6 children easy.

[@SeanEustace-zk3mc]

Historical homeownership rates if you go back to the 1850s and calculate the cost of rent as opposed to owning the argument falls apart. Even in the early 80s rents were drastically cheaper than they are now the major increase in the cost of housing has driven rents as well as the ability to own through the roof. They have made up for this by jacking up the price of houses and making loans that last 30 years and lending money that didn’t exist that’s creating debt out of the air which extracts buying power from the general population of 30 year note for 100 grand traditionally will cost the guy borrowing it $230-$250,000 30 years. Meanwhile, the value of this money is going down over those years as inflation with the debt as well as his buying power.

[@موسى_7]

More people should see this

[@jirislavicek9954]

The more I think about the phenomena of low birth rates the more it becomes clear that it is mostly cultural and ideological problem. All the major shifts occurred after World War II. 1. Female emancipation and participation in labour - with both parents working there is less time to raise family. A career is prioritised over motherhood. 2. The sexual revolution of 1960s and the introduction of the contraception pill - this separated sex from reproduction, it significantly weakened the family structure and created a hookup culture. 3. Decline of traditional religion and rise of consumerism, hedonism and nihilism. This shifted priorities of women and men from having children to short term pleasure and selfishness. 4. Shift in cultural expectations - Society and advertisement makes you believe that having children is extremely expensive and requireslot of gadgets. Not having separate room for each child, loads of toys and activities, not using Bluetooth baby monitor or disposable nappies is almost considered child cruelty. 5. Deliberate anti-natalist policies disseminated by governments and NGOs - having children is bad for climate kinda nonsense Economic pressure and lack of affordable housing is a significant factor but anecdotal evidence from throughout the world shows that it is not the main driver. Look at sub-saharan Africa, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Israel, religious communities in the west like the Amish.

[@zhshsG7]

Nailed it. Comment of the decade.

[@kdri267]

You 100% got it and it's why the government trying to fix the problem with money will fail. They think it's related to economics, meanwhile in africa women have 4-6 children.

[@jasonhaven7170]

Immigration will solve it

[@vipcypr8368]

I think a major mistake when looking at that topic is to isolate only house prices from all other socioeconomic stuff. Because when you only look at house prices then you ommit the fact that in fact in south Europe has cheaper homes then other places, but their all other expenses still sum up to higher costs proportionally to median income then the rest. You look at house prices and see no corelation, but when you look holistically then it finally showes up

[@dehaman_4_144]

yet a fresh of the boat migrant from africa has more children without proper housing and in the same financial environment as everybody else in italy

[@dehaman_4_144]

you will never ever find a solution in materialism. because it is the root cause of the problem and obviously cannot be a solution. even you give billions to every single italian, the fertility rate will not change

[@traumvonhaiti]

It's not about economy. It's about the mind. 100 years ago the average European lived a 5-7x poorer lifestyle than today, welfare state simply didn't exist, and yet they created families and bore kids.

[@xxgaming_generation_2156]

@@traumvonhaitiThis is undoubtedly true. House prices and other socioeconomic indicators only account for a minimal change in fertility rates. No one seems to understand this.

[@cryptarisprotocol1872]

@@xxgaming_generation_2156 They’re not going to correct their cope points, no matter how much data is provided. They have to believe their lives are harder than a middle ages peasant or slave in the antebellum south so as to remain unquestioned in their own personal belief structures and presuppositions. But hey, it’s only Progressives making this asinine error that will turn the future ultra conservative as the latter are the ones upholding the birthrates up and propagating their values.

[@tiaelago-oretukaumunika7017]

Who would've thought that the price of housing might be our Great Filter

[@Baribenatiyacubing]

Top notch comment

[@Always1happy]

If couple wants family , they can do overtime and still afford to rent some small apartment . Lazy people’s genes will diminishing

[@yannmichel8060]

@@Always1happyI’m not sure having both parents working 60+ hours a week to live is gonna give your child a good life either🤦🏻‍♂️

[@12crenshaw]

​@@yannmichel8060you don't have to work 60+ hours to afford having kids. Your living standards as single are just comfortable and if people in west consider having children as a "burden" they will not swap their new cars, trips and designer clothes for future of humanity. We're doomed because we have a choice and the choice we're going to make is to be selfish

[@traumvonhaiti]

Housing? No, it's rather the ability of the modern day western man to succeed in order to be able to afford a house. No one likes losers, whips and crybabies.

[@matejkovalcik9976]

I see two major problems. 1. The role for women has significantly changed in the last 60 years. From a housewife, to career chaser. With this we come to point nr. 2 - where women are postponing motherhood in favor of career, these, with higher age are more plagued by infertility problems. I can see this by my self, where my wife and I had to undertake numerous IF atempts in our 30´s. We have one child, with little chance to get another one. This theory can be easily proven with gypsy population, where women have there first child even under their 16-th birthday. By 25 they already have 6-7 children. We can argue about equality, feminism, quotas, all sorts of wokeness, but nature cares little for our wishes.

[@jirislavicek9954]

👍👍👍

[@cosmicllama6910]

My boyfriend's grandmother never worked outside the home, and she never had to live with a stigma because of it. I am actually a lot like her, I like cooking and taking care of my family and things inside the home, but I've never been good for work outside the home. Unlike my boyfriend's grandmother tho, I am treated by society like I am the most horrible kind of person because of this.

[@Летисия-я8л]

Yes, that's what I always say. I'm a convert to Islam inside the arab Muslim community, and I see many girls becoming mothers at 16,17...I myself am considered young (22) for western standards but I don't care, I want to have kids soon with the man I love. My western family is dead because of that stupidity. We think we can change nature the way we want, but the laws of God always get to us sooner or later.

[@bader3677]

Kaiser how many kids will you have?

[@Truhno4]

Jusf enough to sustain his empire

[@john10000ish]

He'll match his subscribers.

[@Filon2137Potocki]

I think he has one already

[@VexJinks]

He mentioned in another video that he already has kids.

[@christianwespe5221]

I met with the guys I was in school with 25 years ago. Nearly everybody who found a partner had children, and least one, the majority had 2 or 3 kids, some even more up to 5. But there was also a minority who did not find a partner. They had no children. From my perspective it is not housing, religiosity or women rights. It is just very difficult to find a partner in modern times.

[@derek4412]

What’s your age? It’s hard to find a partner without money and easy to lose a partner if you don’t have kids.

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

Dating apps are pretty much the only way to meet people, but that's just no way to meet people. There are no third places to meet people Organically, so this ends up the only viable option, as broken as it is

[@jgw9990]

​@BlitzkriegOmega I met my partner at work. As do a lot of people. Things got a bit poisonous during me2, but that's dying off now. Volunteering can also be akin to work but more fun. Meeting via friends is also common. I've also known people to meet their partner via dating apps. Its not impossible, and these aren't hot people either.

[@neversarium]

We are expecting a child, yet we spend 35% (for now) of income on rent. A child can be comfortably raised even with an average income. Greetings from Kazakhstan

[@mjr_schneider]

Based Kazakh

[@richie_pp]

I wish everything goes well with the child and wishing all of you great health. The 35% of net income or 35% of gross income?

[@juan-ko5hz]

35% of two incomes or of a single income?

[@juan-ko5hz]

Based

[@Pascal-1]

Based Казахстан

[@JohnDoe-uk2iu]

The hard truth is that the majority of people don't want children. The boomers were the first generation with contraceptive, they halved their number of children and the average of 2 they did were because they were programmed to do so (used to have lot of siblings, somewhat reproducing what their parents did & so on) Now having children is like having expensive pets. You won't have them unless you really want them. On the other hand it will be an issue that will resolve itself over time, the people programmed to really want children will pass their gens to the new gen and the others, like me, will go extinct.

[@redhidinghood9337]

Evolution doesnt happen that fast and in many cases genes dont play a big role in having children - cultural/social factors are still by far the most important.

[@leonardoleo5740]

Fact. This is something even conservatives need to address: no one wants kids because we don't like them. Women because it destroys their bodies and men because gives them responsibilities they don't want to have.

[@Rafael96xD]

Evolution happens fast then a filter is applied. Because it relies on reproduction. ​@@redhidinghood9337

[@StudioReiner]

@@JohnDoe-uk2iu You have to remember there are industries that will refuse this. The military needs men to profit and the men who serve no societal role will be the one’s without families. Sent to the meat grinder of war.

[@militantstrawberry]

I dont know what you are talking about

[@leonardoleo5740]

Fact checked. Housing is an issue, but not the main one. Latin America have some inexpensive housing but our birth rates are far too low.

[@NoStoryNoWorry]

It’s concerning to hear that is the case even there. I can tell with certainty that it is a combination of culture and economics that mostly influence the future of certain people here in America. Cultures all over the world need a revival and a refresh of their mindset.

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

​@@NoStoryNoWorryA revival of their mindset? Explain what you mean and how that would work. I don't believe you can rewrite human nature with some silly idea of a mindset revival but I have no clue what you mean by a revival mindset so I would like for you to define what that is.

[@effexon]

is it about job security then? housing is cheap often as reflection of average income level or high unemployment in that area.

[@TheDragonofRevelation]

@@effexon You clearly don't live near a major city anywhere.

[@effexon]

@@TheDragonofRevelation I meant in country where nobody has jobs housing is cheap looking from wealthy country but locals still cant afford it due to no income. if income levels rise, housing prices in city tend to rise also in relation to purchase power of people. Thus huge city with lot of people + lot of purchase power means brutal prices or very long commute. Rarely any big city is lacking purchase power as that is whole purpose of cities to offer opportunities.

[@stanisawzokiewski3308]

I really want to know what people 3-4 hundred years from now will think of this era.

[@ToedCobra33]

"They really let civilization collapse just due to women's rights?"

[@gertofner8711]

Regarding Vienna, the fertility there is mostly driven by migrants, where you can still see families with 5 or more children. The fertility rate among ethnic Austrians there is probably below 1

[@jwil4286]

ooc, have you ever heard of mouse utopia? this also reinforces your point that material comfort won't automatically increase fertility rates.

[@AustrianPainter14]

Disproven

[@manwiththeredface7821]

The situation is darker than most realize. There's no single reason for the population collapse but a bunch of problems having snowballed into people not having offsprings. - Economic uncertainty (global crises every decade effectively nullifying people's life plans) - Men and women having been pitted against one another (radfeminism and noneednomanfishbycicle at first, MGTOW as a response etc.) - Today's generations of childbearing age having grown up exactly when divorce rates skyrocketed and having witnessed their own parents having miserable marriages until the ugly divorce (who the hell would want to repeat that?) - "until death do us part" being nothing but an empty promise at this point - average mental health plummeting (reducing the chances of finding a suitable partner), some women starting to lose it exactly because they failed to get with a suitable partner by their 40s (and marrying inanimate objects or even themselves which is just sad) - general distrust in educational institutions (what would my kid learn at school in the age of critical race theory?)

[@yisraelmeirsobel907]

Except for the economics, most of what you describe can be explained by the modern hyper- focus on subjective individualism.

[@EternalChairmanDev]

anyone who refuses to work for any reason is an enemy of youth. The gov keeps giving money to retirees while wages keep stagnant

[@dehaman_4_144]

can we fix it? i dont think so. enjoy it while it is lasting. your kids probably will not enjoy it.

[@sabrinarodrigues629]

I see only men repeating that women will wish marriage when we get older, while we women moved on past this failed institution without looking back.

[@mackenzie305]

I can't believe noneednomanfishbicycle actually means something. Thanks for enlightening me

[@nebhalabir1201]

Blackrock buying up houses as "investments" isnt a good idea larry fink and men like him have done this.

[@eaesteve]

How about all the 'investors' in those funds. Think pension funds and such. Blackrock is almost everyone. Blame the debasement of currency that forces them into inflation hedges.

[@jean-michelnadeau5447]

The vast majority of investment properties are bought by normal people because it makes no economic sense

[@likeAG6likeAG6]

the whole "investing" thing is basically a pyramid that is based on idea of perpetual growth, which was never a reality in history, humanity always had 20-30 years of growth and then 100 years of stagnation, current period was just so long that people got used to it. We'll have to find another way to pay for pensions than hedge funds.

[@ProfTricky3168]

I mean blackrock is just straight up evil

[@LondonMoneyCashEnterprise]

This is why we need socialism

[@SaceedAbul]

It’s cultural expectations. People in mud huts have like 4 kids and it’s normal to them

[@TheJosman]

Depends where. People in Latin America and India no longer have children (even those in the lower classes), but Africans and Central Asians do.

[@swiralgod]

People in mud huts suffer regular famines and wouldn't grow in population if the west wasn't donating food and medicine.

[@ghostavengerpaz6098]

@@TheJosman catholic LATAM yes but more Native American areas like Peru or Guatemala basically have a positive birth rate

[@yisraelmeirsobel907]

If I had to point to the one factor that determines fertility, it would be the ability of men to fulfil the expectations of society to support there families. So if in relative terms expectations go up or there ability goes down, then so does fertility.

[@eduardmart1237]

Wide thoughts

[@F_C...]

And likewise the girl boss culture that encourages women to work and then spend their own money on frivolous things.

[@12crenshaw]

​@@eduardmart1237 not really. If people used to shaboink with themselves because they were in small community and without contraceptives it naturally produced kids. Now we are measuring ourselves to internet global standards and girls are distributing sex. If they have globally measured expectations of a successful men, instead of local community successful, why would they settle for someone they consider inferior. They still can get sexual gratification but will not settle

[@yisraelmeirsobel907]

@@F_C... Indeed, and this causes the there demands from potential mates to skyrocket.

[@tealkerberus748]

The number one cause of women who are economically secure and want kids, not having kids, is never meeting a man they trust well enough to have kids with him. This pairs pretty closely with the fact that the person most likely to assault, rape, maim, or murder any particular woman is the man she is currently in an intimate relationship with, or recently was in an intimate relationship with. Boyfriend, fiance, husband, or ex. If the woman *and her children* were all murdered, it's a near-certainty that the person who did it was the father of those children. Likewise if the woman escaped but her children were all murdered. This happens pretty routinely on "access visits" when the ex-husband is given as-of-right unsupervised time with the children his ex-wife gave birth to. If you want women to be willing to have kids, the first requirement is that the woman feels safe being that absolutely vulnerable. Which .. yes, this is about men, but it's not about men's financial capacity. Until men stop harming women and children, easy access to the sperm bank and financial and social support for single mothers would probably help the fertility rate.

[@512TheWolf512]

if you JUST want to have housing - you can EASILY get it for low price. even in america. you just gotta live 2-3 hours away for a big city. i found very cheap property outside Seattle when i looked myself.

[@vorynrosethorn903]

Yeah, that doesn't exist in Britain.

[@ElJosher]

Most people aren’t willing to precisely because it is too far from the city, and all the amenities that exist in the city are nonexistent.

[@meixo9083]

@@ElJosher amenities like a job for instance

[@LondonMoneyCashEnterprise]

Most people go to university. What is the point of getting a degree if u don’t live in a major city. In Britain you will get a shit job

[@ElJosher]

@@meixo9083 yup

[@kitwanaabraham560]

This is the unvarnished truth very few in the developed world would like to discuss or accept: Capitalism, consumerism, materialism and liberalism is at the very core of the looming demographic crisis. In fact, where ever all four are combined together, a cannibalizing system, culture, ideology and world view is produced. The end result of this poisonous admixture is the notion that children are problematic, burdensome, unimportant, and undesirable. It is no surprise, therefore, that the more economically prosperous a nation becomes, the less likely it's people are to reproduce.

[@Joel86543]

Communist countries also had low birth rates. It's more of a culture thing I would say but you made some really good points

[@FakenameStevens]

I read consumerist as communist as it is late right now, but it does tie in with your message. All those four do cannibalise system culture ideology and worldview, but communists as extremists are growing in number and they have their “plans” for the world order set out anyway. They’re opposed to all of what traditional values and even what natural human instinct does to influence us which is ironically controlling for so-called liberalism.

[@randomyoutubebrowser5217]

Correct. Its nothing to do with the cost of things but what we value. If kids are so unaffordable then when we see a family with 8 kids or a family that has three overseas holidays a year or owns a couple of nice cars, which family would people view as higher status? Make things cheaper (housing included) and people will just spend more in an effort to elevate their status.

[@ten_tego_teges]

@@Joel86543 No they didn't. Look up the data. They were all above replacement or barely below.

[@Joel86543]

@@ten_tego_teges this was also in the 80s. Fertility rate in western countries was higher than too. Plus the fertility was slowly going down in the eastern block

[@HansDildomacher]

Rent is being low in Sweden due to rent control... but instead people have to stay in waiting lists for years. In Stockholm you may have to wait 10 years to get a flat contract for some of the worse neighbourhoods with crime. If you want to live in better places, it's a must to wait even longer. The only people who can wait for this long are middle-aged to old people.

[@TheSwedishHistorian]

I always hear people complaining about their children, and women worrying about childbirth and their looks nowadays

[@supernovaversion3.05]

Let me tell you- Woman empowerment is a great way to combat population increase. There is a UN article about it. I still don't know what will be the effective way to fight with population decrease.

[@tealkerberus748]

Maybe change the mindset? 8 billion people is at least 7 billion too many, but getting back below one billion is going to take about 10 generations at fertility 1.6 .. so maybe we need to completely restructure the world's economies and get use to line-go-down, because this planet can't afford any more line-go-up.

[@jirislavicek9954]

​@@tealkerberus748We are on "line going down" already in the vast majority of the world, only sub-saharan Africa and few other rther countries are the exception. Planet can certainly handle much larger population. It cannot handle extreme consumerism, pollution and mismanagement. Don't confuse the two.

[@jktech2117]

we.. kinda need less people in earth lol...if there be like 2B-500M people there will be way more resources per person and life will be easier.

[@Demopans5990]

​@@jirislavicek9954 The planet can handle 100 billion peasants. No one wants to live like a peasant for their entire lives

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

"Employee" immigrant women to be surrogates to natives and later replace them with Artificial wombs. EZ

[@olli1165]

The more I learn about demographics, the more I think, it is cultural change that drives all of this

[@sneediumminer]

some countries like japan, germany, and russia have an incredibly strong correlation between legal equality for women and fertility decline

[@darkarchon2841]

House prices are just convenient explanation for people, who would immediately find next reason why they can't have kids yet when they get their flat. "I don't have enough savings", or "My career isn't in this stage yet", or "I can't afford education yet", and so on.

[@emeraldwizard1227]

Very true

[@Pidalin]

I thought that people have no kids mainly because of there is noone to fuck that would allow you to make kids. 😀 Also, here in post communist countries, my generation really lived in shits in 90s and I would say that we are scared of bringing our kids to the same situation like we had 25-30 years ago.

[@Xerathiel]

They want my children to pay for their retirement. ​@@qnbits

[@Dashtikipchak]

Which once again proves that the key factor is people just don't want to have kids. Which is fine as long as you don't keep using excuses to justify it.

[@lowersaxon]

Exactly.

[@StarMaster470]

Hi! If you're reading this, I wish you a lovely day!

[@princeali417]

thank you

[@guavaguy4397]

You too.

[@Hypnotically_Caucasian]

Thank you Mr. Trump please legalize weed

[@velisvideos6208]

Out on parole?

[@LondonMoneyCashEnterprise]

Trump will lose

[@agodelianshock9422]

There's a lot of reasons. Lack of incentive, anti-natalism sentiments, uncertainty over the future (Climate change, nuclear war), birth control, financial strain, lack of housing, lack of job stability, mental health, scheduling conflicts and child care concerns, lack of general parental readiness and life skills, etc... All of these things are factors on why I still don't have a child.

[@jgw9990]

Peoplle have children if its beneficial. In the past children were your pension, and after tbe age of 12 would work and provide an income stream to the family until they move out at 18. State pensions and compulsory education to age 18 remove these fundamental positives and leave only immense cost.

[@vorynrosethorn903]

Places without state pensions or with very low ones still have low birthrates, notably China, though also Russia to a certain extent.

[@jgw9990]

@vorynrosethorn903 Both countries have compulsory education, which increases cost of children. China actively forced its population to have fewer children for more than 3 decades. Russia has faced long periods of stagnation. You see in countries with high birth rates, its clearly because more children is beneficial. Egyptians weren't having 10 children each for jokee, it was beneficial to them. Their birth rate is slowing now because those benefits are waning.

[@Demopans5990]

Also because childhood mortality was the norm. You had 10 kids because you expect 5 of them to drop dead from influenza, measles, or tb, and another 2 to be crippled for life from polio or tetanus, or again, measles (a measles infection in the brain leads to all sorts of stuff like blindness and deafness) A child had somewhere like a 50% chance of surviving till the age of 5, and barring war or accidents, can expect to live until their 70s, maybe 80s

[@zombiewarking]

It's not just housing. Everything is just too expensive

[@cinnamonstar808]

so the WEST is WRONG about everything and Africa was right? = I know the truth but I need the confession. because how come and entire continent ▲ demographic pyramid is perfect?

[@butros5137]

The answer is hedonism and selfishness for low fertility.

[@divingstag]

I hear you, but what lacked in this video was solid calculations instead of pointing examples here and there. By this, I mean you can put the fertility rate for each countries in a spreadsheet in front of the relative cost of housing, and use a formula to calculate the correlation coefficient. This is more solid data than listing select countries.

[@meixo9083]

do it, the data for oecd countries is already available.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

Not a housing Crisis. But affordable housing Crisis . The free apartments provided by the Soviet government may have been small but they made it easier for every young family to have a Children's bedroom .

[@dehaman_4_144]

soviet fertility rates went down before the west... only muslim population of the soviet union made it comparable to the rest of the world

[@ИвайлоСтоянов-б3м]

@@dehaman_4_144 first of all, it went down because of industrialization and urbanization. The other claim is bullshit, because in Soviet Ukraine there were almost no muslims and still the birth rate was 2.1. West birth rate fall around 70s, not earlier.

[@marianhunt8899]

​@@dehaman_4_144Millions upon millions of Russians were killed in WW2 saving themselves and us from the savage Nazis. The Russians lost more lives than any other nation. America only entered the war near the end.

[@traumvonhaiti]

In prisons they also provide free housing and free food.

[@elijahford3696]

And medical. Not a bad deal if not for getting treated like garbage.

[@glebolas007]

One thing isn't correct (1:50). The larger housing size doesn't mean larger famility or higher birth rate. Look at white American population, the average home size was increasing but the fertility rate was declining for the past decades. The only thing that larger homes accomplished in the US is lower home affordability.

[@thomasgrabkowski8283]

But on the other hand, American home sizes are larger and fertility rates are higher than Europe and East Asia

[@mariosvourliotakis]

I think it certainly plays a role, but it's probably something people blame on until its gone. When they do get a home, they still want to have fun and spend whatever is left of their free time after work enjoying their younger years than starting a family... You made some great points on this in the video about the elites.

[@SaxonYear410]

No house, no family.

[@lishnyak1925]

Say it to romas

[@Natedog8000]

that's a good point

[@anon2034]

@@lishnyak1925 What civilisation did they build?

[@velisvideos6208]

The Roma Empire.

[@Pidalin]

The wast majority of people I know live in rented apartments and still, they have families.

[@MrCattlehunter]

Everyone saying that housing is responsible is legitimately an idiot, and that is obvious from even a cursory glance at history, contemporary data, or even just the lives of people around you as you walk about in the world where you live. It is just a cope for people who never wanted children anyway to excuse why they don't have them, throwing in some perverse self-victimizing as part of the bargain.

[@clochard8318]

Yes, thats it. Its basically just a socially acceptable normie-cope for people who don't want to confront the truth. And the truth is - most people have just shitty lives in general and simply dont want to reproduce because they dont want to pass their shitty lifes on their offspring and overburden themselfes unneccessarily with raising them. And no amount of consumerism, materialism or progressivism can make their lifes better. A bitter pill to swallow.

[@dirremoire]

I gave you a like for this creative troll.

[@J_X999]

Even if it's not about birth rates, unaffordable housing is a bad thing. Especially wild speculation in which housing is purely an asset for financial gain.

[@Barquevious_Jackson]

What if we just got rid of the old people?

[@Fami_Salami]

Welcome back, chairman Mao!

[@dirremoire]

🤔

[@EvilWeiRamirez]

Culturally, the discussion around having kids is all about the cost and the pain but never about the joy. They don't discuss tools to deal with the problems, they only talk about the problems. They don't talk about the things that become fun again because of having children, they only talk about what can't be done anymore. Culture needs to shift, but the people in charge only talk about the market value of population. We are still punished for having kids. There needs to be an entire cultural shift, but I doubt we will get there.

[@ladanjiracek279]

I heard there are certain populations in Israel that have disproportionately more children than the rest of the population (ultraorthodox) and that brings up the average birth rate

[@somehowstillhere8766]

Multiple factors impact how many children people have. But the biggest one is willpower. People who aren't motivated to have kids won't have many regardless of the resources they have access to.

[@wuza8405]

In my opinion the house-price to income ratio doesn't make sense in this type of circumstances, you should check the lowest prices of homes (affordable) to the income of young people (the ones that want to buy their new house), because if the income gap and median age rose in those days (they did), it could give you bad results, even if you take median. The housing affordability gives you an result for the AVERAGE person and the average person in those countries are old and were getting older by time, so this measurement is based, that way it can't answer your question. Edit: After a while, I was thinking about the house-price in a way, that it should only lineary lower the house affordability but that's also not correct. If there's a tendency that middle-aged people buy more cheap houses for rent, it could also make a difference, maybe not only an linear one. In my eyes this problem is at least three dimentional, that is the age of a person and the salary spectrum of the particular age of a person, for all of those of the income minus the minimal cost to survive should give a better understanding of those problems. The inflation should also be considered, but it feels like that's a little harder to implement.

[@Cazdemmm]

The number one reason why the birth rates are so low is almost solely down to culture but the mainstream media don’t blame the demographic collapse on that.

[@traumvonhaiti]

You don't like the modern day western culture? Then why don't you move to a 3rd world country and enjoy the high birth rates there?

[@derek4412]

Yep. “Shifting priorities” is how I’ve heard it described. In the 1970s-2000s, almost everyone’s parents and friends expected you to get married and have only two kids, but also to get much of your self-esteem from your career. And now, since about 2007, it seems almost no one has been raised to think about having a wife/husband and kids. Just focus on making an income.

[@НикитаТишкин-п1б]

Rise of living costs compared to median income must be cultural thing too.

[@buddermonger2000]

​@@НикитаТишкин-п1б Yeah it is because people used to work from dawn to dusk and people died from overwork (work took more calories than eaten). So yes. Because it's ultimately a mindset. "I need this amount to have kids" when it's most often the poor who have the most kids anyway. Everyone defaults to this. It's always wrong. It is never a factor besides when actual starvation is a problem. The only reason it matters even the slightest bit is because people's perceptions determine their willingness to have kids. So if they think that they'll be unable to afford them, instead of just not caring and making it work, they won't have them.

[@buddermonger2000]

Because culture is a nebulous thing and they'd have to admit their complicity.

[@davianoinglesias5030]

Raising babies requires two things,, Shelter and Time. The current economic system has made it almost impossible to have housing and the work hours and conditions make it impossible to have time for kids.

[@444-w8k]

Did you not watch the video? Housing availability does not explain much at all about fertility rates. The time hypothesis probably explains more though I haven't seen the data on that.

[@khshur2]

​@@444-w8k what does it mean time

[@makismalisianos5969]

​@@444-w8k less time cause of more work that pays less and more of it go to housing. Money = time, it's the same resource.

[@SeanEustace-zk3mc]

Again, the 1960s effed up America no one‘s arguing with that. Housing prices have been high though compared to the complete collapse of fertility in the United States in the last 2025 years. When compared to income levels. This is undeniable, even if there was a decline going on before that. There has been population decline on a statistic level since the last large cohort of the baby boomers

[@Brahh777]

I've always found it funny when people are claiming that housing is the one factor that would solve the demographic crisis. If that was the case countries like Norway would have a huge fertility rate. When it's in fact lower than their poorer neighbour Sweden.

[@SuperFranzs]

House prices are the main reason why me and my wife hasn't gotten children yet here in Norway.

[@spesamissaest1312]

@@SuperFranzs and then it will be "I don't have enough savings", or "My career isn't in this stage yet", or "I can't afford education yet", and so on.

[@blugaledoh2669]

@@spesamissaest1312 Those are legitimate reason.

[@FHPIV1]

You're right, low birthrates are not caused simply by housing costs, but buy the chaos of urban late stage capitalism, in which a fickle exec. can suddenly erase an industrial livelihood which may have gone back for generations. People, in this new gig economy must be light of foot and not think of putting down any roots. Hence, in order to feel better about themselves, the same people will take on a cultural mindset, that raising children is not so important. Starting a family is dangerous unless one is independently wealthy! One should also study the fertility rates of the police and military and their affiliates who serve the constant will to power of them that possess it.

[@AustrianPainter14]

It’s entirely feminism. Nothing else. There’s a reason birthrates/TFR is measured per vvoman.

[@julius43461]

No, not at all. A part of the issue is that everyone expects to have their own place, when until yesterday people managed to have numerous kids by living with their parents.

[@cazwalt9013]

OMG a new kaiserbauch video to edge to 😍🥰

[@giakichanpan4022]

It's a mix of economical and cultural factors. Yes Southern Europe (apparently) has affordable housing, but the job market is very unstable for a lot of people (short term contracts in tourism, bars...) and the wages, while not leaving people destitute, are low and require extremely careful planning in order to get by and manage to save money. Spain is the country with the highest youth unemployment in the eu and it's in the first ranks in the emancipation of young people rankings'. I think economic data should be analysed taking age into account and not lumping older people (who usually own most of the wealth of a country) with people who are just entering the job market. One of the reasons there is such a high emigration rate of young people in Italy is due to the low wages in comparison to the cost of life and other countries and the difficulties you must endure until you reach a decent income (if you have a university degree). As for cultural factors, I imagine that while S Korea or Singapore might have good housing policies, society rewards (in other ways than with wealth) attaining elite, specialized and high paying jobs (as is the case with the s korean chaebols). The pursuit of this as an objective is probably also deterring people from having kids. Notwithstanding the fact that, in general, modern society doesn't reward having kids in any way and that a lot of people prefer using the savings they have to travel etc and being more independent instead of spending money on the maintenance of kids.

[@JerboGod]

Huh ? Are you from Spain ? Because I am and unless someone is very lucky or has parents who can support them, young people cannot move out of their parents' house. The average age of independence is over 30 year old and increasing. And literally the rent has never been higher for shyte flats or even for one room.

[@giakichanpan4022]

@@JerboGod I am, just realised I made a mistake in my comment. I wanted to say that spain ranks last in emancipation lists. It's surprising to see that housing is said to be so affordable in our country, I guess it's some kind of distortion in the data.

[@Number704]

I'm building my own house. F the banks. Its time people start thinking of houses as depreciated assets.

[@LondonMoneyCashEnterprise]

Which country is this

[@elijahford3696]

Depending on where you live, if you don't do it the way they want, they'll force you out of it, auction it to a bank, and sell it to someone else. Then you have to build another.

[@Deedlanger]

Sorry you need to make it legal or else the govs will have to take your house down

[@cmath6454]

​@@Deedlanger pick a rural location. Its a big country and that problem can be mitigated. Not every place has the same economic factors that weaponizes government

[@Deedlanger]

@@cmath6454 lucky you, in Asia we are fucked and controlled 😂 it be worse there, they need the house registered, they eyeball your house, land for value and then they send huge taxes depending on the land place and the value of the house. Unregistered house would give you a fine. I miss the old days when we don’t need to get a fine for building a house with no registration, people back then are more free than today

[@Peteruspl]

"Housing" in 2024 is not what "housing" was in 1970. It's usually more area per person, more insulation, better heating, air conditioning, all the modern comforts. If it is very expensive and small, it's because it is in a dense city everyone likes and wants to move into. My father had 3 children and we stayed living in a room with his in-laws until I was 5 or 6 before he built (a nice, well placed and comfy) house. His father lived on I think 38m2 in a commie block flat without elevator with wife and 4 kids.

[@Ausplainer]

You MISSED the price of FAMILY SIZE HOUSING in HIGH INCOME job areas.

[@ramongonzalez842]

From the scope of a Spaniard and what I've seen around me, one problem in comparing house affordability as a whole is that the older population seems to be doing economically better than the younger population. And is this younger population the one that should be having children. I can see stability (including housing affordability) further decreasing birth rates on top of the socio-cultural factors. I see that in Spain, in general, adult life starts late, career opportunities to progress are not abundant and many people share apartments (or live with their parents in an apartment) until they are 40 and so on. I see this difference specially when comparing to what I've seen in Denmark, for example, where I see young people with some quality of life, purchasing power and opportunities, which could explain the (around) .5 difference in birth rates, which makes quite a bit of a difference. I would say that for Spain and maybe South Europe in general more than specifically house affordability the problem is stagnation and lack of a horizon of growth and progress, compared to what I see in other countries. I think this can affect in those decimal points in birth rates from north European countries to South Europe.

[@abeeman123]

You’re doing a good job on this channel, keep it up! Regards from small town Minnesota, USA.

[@sunso1991]

the cause is simple: "Hopelessness" it doesnt matter how rich or poor, developed or undeveloped. if the people have hope and can see tomorrow will be better than today, they will have kids. Housing price is only a small part of the issue and a symptom of the unsustainable economic system. it is not the cause. people rented since the beginning of time. property ownership wasnt even possible for 90% of the humanity until 1900s. but our ancestors can see the future being brighter than today and they had children. when you see nepotism lands people million dollar contracts while the masses work 50 hrs a week but cant cover TAX, rent, car, food, entertainment, why would they have kids.

[@StudioReiner]

It would help if you considered making a video regarding the military-industrial complex and demographics. Russia, for example, is not releasing its demographic information accurately, and I’m sure many other countries are doing the same. But considering the factors that resulted in the baby boom, if Russians returning from war have funds, hope in prosperity, and cultural propaganda, they can be used to push a baby boom narrative. The military industrial complex has no reason not to start a war. Economic growth will decline and it’s the only industry that can take advantage of this crisis. Edit: I can imagine a draft that exempts men with families to profit off the halve nots if their simply is no solution

[@Mangafolk]

What use do men who won’t reproduce serve in a society? Cannon fodder. The one’s who won’t be drafted will be the one’s with children.

[@maksimfedoryak]

Hope in prosperity and real prosperity are very different things. If there were no prosperity under 8 years of mild sanctions, what will be basis for prosperity now?

[@StudioReiner]

@@maksimfedoryak when it comes to the military industrial complex they will support Russia to see the results of this experiment. Sanctions can be beneficial since it isolates Russia from globalization. It’s beyond politics since if Russia experiences no growth or even less then this becomes a global question of literal extinction

[@maksimfedoryak]

@@StudioReiner they will not support ruzzia, because only one reason why ruzzian military industrial complex exists is lack of actually strong sanctions. All modern missiles and drones work on american and european integrated circuits. Previous iteration of this state - ussr literally spent all resources on military complex and collapsed due to literally inability to sustain itself.

[@traumvonhaiti]

Do you speak russian? Then I recommend you follow putin's agenda on the specific topic of fertility. On the one hand, they are obsessed with it. On the other, the russian baby boom narrative is about restoring elements of the Domostroi, with the orthodox priests telling the youth how to live, discouraging young girls from getting college education, and having 5-7 kids. Besides, they are trying to pay them to procreate (matkapital). They managed to bring the TFR to 1.8 by 2014, after which it has been steadily declining no matter what the russian govt does. It's quite ironic, isn't it?

[@FidelCashflow13]

If It wasn't for my rent I could literally live off of $200 a month. That says a lot about what the problem is.

[@kdri267]

and in reality kids need basically 0 space and very little food, most clothing can be bought used.. Go visit africa they'll show you how it's done.

[@einstwareinlicht]

How did we get from 4 billion to 8 billion people in just 50 years?! This is going to have catastrophic consequences for the economy.

[@TheLolism]

Usually I agree with what you say, but just saying that Singapore's salaries are not "in a different galaxy", because it counts Malaysians who commute to Singapore every day for work, & millionaires/billionaires who get special visas to move there. On top of that any blue collar work is paid very little. The average Singaporean earns very average salaries, like SGD4-5k a month.

[@dirremoire]

You noticed a big problem with this video. "Average salary" means nothing unless corrected for age groups and unemployment rates.

[@courtssense]

Babe wake up Kaiserbauch posted a new video!

[@colinkennedy1061]

I heard recently that cheating is very common in modern South Korean dating culture and they often lack intimacy in relationships. Perhaps this also aids the collapse of the birth rate

[@Pattern_Noticer]

Have you considered it's a multiplier. Baseline birthrate x religiosity x educatation (especially female) feminism x housing price x cost of living etc. If you cannot afford a home until you're in your early-mid thirties you depress the birth rate since when people have kids is so late they will likely only have one, or none.

[@OscarSchneegans]

It's not just affordability, it's also the size of the home you can buy. In most of the American Midwest, 300k buys a nice multi-bedroom house in a safe neighborhood with a yard (or garden) big enough for kids to play outside. That makes a big difference.

[@shyzunk]

There are still many families who live quite the same way people used to until about yesterday: married couples live with their parents, even raise children there. In the west, there was an inflation of comforts. That's why having children is seen as expensive, while poor people can afford them, just with fewer luxuries. Second hand clothes and some extra food don't make children expensive. The idea that you need an extra room and phones and branded clothing and and and keeps driving the price up, even while poor people have six kids without too much fuss...

[@meixo9083]

its easier in a society where everyone lives like that compared to be the only family with 6 children.

[@zumurudlilit]

Living with parents or In laws??? I would rather bite my head off. Also - I would never have children without my OWN apartment. I had one so I had kids. Trusting males is suicidal. The tzar complex is strong in them. Once they feel they have power - your life is destroyed. One advice for young women - work hard, buy your own flat - two bedrooms - and then you can have children. If you have to - freeze your eggs. This is baseline. You don’t need luxury just safety. And safety means your own flat you can kick an idiot out if he starts acting out.

[@shyzunk]

Yeah, basically the reason you can't have 6 children is your neighbour :-)

[@meixo9083]

@@shyzunk we live in a society, you know...

[@makismalisianos5969]

Yet the most important resource for kids is education, and when I see my country trying every trick in the book to abolish public education or make it trash, same with Healthcare etc, how am I meant to account for these most important resources becoming private and expensive? Like he'll I'm not having more than 2, except if I become crazy ritch soon enough, so no.

[@nicksallnow-smith7585]

Mixed in with the cultural issues are expectations. My English mother was born just after world war 1 as one of seven children. All living in a small rented terraced house in a poor area with lower middle class parents. I doubt any modern family be prepared to live with 7 children in such a small place now. And on fertility, you didn't mention that in maoist China the fertility rate was declining for decades before the one child policy. Hardly to do with house prices when all homes were provided by the state.

[@qefucan7591]

Buddy i hate to tell you its a hell of a lot more than housing prices that is making Europeans go extinct, but lack of affordable housing is a serious problem, especially here in America. It is impossible to find a single family home due to state sponsored illegal immigration.

[@spesamissaest1312]

brother you can blame the immigrants and goverment all you want it's you who are not having children. You can throw all the money at the ''europeans'' that you want and they STILL dont have children. I witness it first hand

[@qefucan7591]

@@spesamissaest1312 If i didn't work in the public housing industry i might agree with you, but i do and ive witnessed first hand shit that would make you sick.

[@tealkerberus748]

Why specifically Europeans? What makes white people more fragile and less successful than anyone else? Is it a genetic weakness?

[@kdri267]

@Spesmissaest1313 is 100% correct, "europeans" invented so many requirements before having children... College fund, 1 kid per room, sports, gadgets, you name it. you can give them 2M$ and instead of having 4-5 children they would buy cars, vacation homes and save it for retirement instead. It's NOT an economics problem, it's a mental / expectations problem.

[@CapitalTeeth]

My take: Housing prices are a factor for sure, but not the biggest reason in the grand scheme of things. What do all these countries suffering imminent demographic decline have in common, that the third world nations who do not suffer from the same thing have? It's what they tell their children. What are we telling them today? We're telling them to focus on their education, then their career, and then they can live a good life by making money. In Asia as well this is taken to the extreme that they HYPERFOCUS on both of those. Then their parents wonder why they're not getting grandchildren, they never have developed their social circle in the years when that was most important. Meanwhile in ages past, we told them to get out there, fall in love, get married and have children because that is the ideal, happy and wholesome life to live. Tldr: The culture is the root of the problem. Everything else, the housing prices and cost of living, are only small parts of the larger issue.

[@SeanEustace-zk3mc]

Here in New England and the cities where there are jobs at housing is through the roof. It is super expensive. And is far more expensive than a traditionally was. You need to take where the jobs are located, which is also where the immigrants are going because we have mass immigration, and then compare that to the pre-immigration population levels and compare that to the housing stock before the arrival of the immigrants and after. You can also see the housing cost jump with women entering the workforce in the 1960s. And in the late 80s when the second wave of women entering the workforce and large numbers pretty much created a situation where all women were now entering the workforce. You see housing prices jump them as well. Meanwhile, you have mass immigration ramping up since the 1960s in the United States, which disproportionally affects the cities as opposed to the countryside. There is also a metric where you can measure inflation which may be measuring all of these things as well into it, I’m not sure, showing that housing prices are not actually going up, but the value of the money is going down. You can look at it several ways what you cannot deny here in the United States in the city is where you have mass immigration is the housing prices way up and so do the rents. This is obviously supply and demand economics you have more people fighting or competing for rentals and houses that are being sold which drives the prices of these things higher. At the same time immigrant labor., this is not the fault of the immigrants again just supply and demand economics, in a given geographic area pushes up the amount of labor, and thus drives down wages because there are less people competing for a fixed number of jobs. By constantly keeping the labor rate higher than demographics would, be, those pushing for mass immigration, generally, the business community, and the other political groups who want to change the country and a way that the majority of the people living here do not want to go along with, but for this argument, we are talking about the former as in the chamber of commerce and business associations like this to push down labor cost there’s a huge drive for immigration. These people also tend to be owners of real estate that is rented so they win on both accounts and so it is only logical for them to continue to fight any regulation or limits on immigration . this disproportionately hurts, unskilled, labor, and people with lower paying jobs who are also at least until the current generation educated. I can tell you for a fact today that most of the tradesmen have already gone to college for liberal arts or business and not into trades. This is made so the companies have had smart people who can kind of self train and their ability to train people has really decreased, so you have a huge, highly educated popular in the United States among the youth today, which are either lucky enough to be in the trades where they can make some money or are working retail or low jobs because the job they were trained for to not exist, has contributed to causing all sorts of social problems, and these people are smart enough to realize that they cannot have children without going into poverty. There are college educated people and very smart people that will have a bunch of kids anyway they are generally religious and there are people who do not think about the future also have kids who tend to be very, not religious. there is a lot of affordable housing in the United States if you go to areas of the country where there are no jobs. If farmland was cheap I think you would see an exodus from the cities because there are huge amounts of people wanting to Homestead and get out of the cities that you meet on a regular basis and the genre on KZbin is also quite popular , as is home gardening, which is taken off marketing wise as an industry in the last 10 to 15 years. What you have is some uneducated people and a large minority of over educated people competing for jobs that do not pay anything and unable to get out of the city because they are trapped and unable to have families because they cannot afford it , they cannot flee the city for the country because prices have been driven with the farmland as well as everything else residential real estate to almost everything. Once the government of the world tried to force everyone on central bank, digital currency and tokenize all assets it will be impossible for most people to make a living, I suspect , though the free market tears and Austrian school guys will promote this as the salvation of the poor it will actually entrapping them in the same way that in the United States people abandoning their family farms to move to the cities initially made them richer and happier, but within a generation or two, their children were for the most part those stayed on the farm. Watch their land become worth millions financial of this property and large scale, methodized farmers that would rent became a thing Wall Street got to capitalize on it and drive the price of it through the roof. Landon housing would naturally fall , as the population decreases as it has an Italy at least in the countryside and in the countryside where there are no jobs but the same Chamber of Commerce have push for massive immigration, even though there are no jobs for many of these people simply to drive wages down and this is caused all sorts of social problem and will probably result in some sort of violent revolution as it has traditionally done. the problem is the baby making end of the population is shrinking and you don’t have that large of a population as you have another time don’t see without population so I’m not really sure. I don’t think we’ve been here before historically. Sure as hell have you, but they are outnumbered by massive amounts of old people. and the safety nets are based on these young workers working to provide those above them who were generally a smaller cohort on a pyramid but now the pyramid is inverted and the amount of work and taxes or more likely inflation that is going to have to happen in order to keep the system going it will either collapse or put a strain on you and workers that they flee the workforce this is without the housing cost and low wages that exist or the limited amount of jobs and giant amounts of immigration still come again. Also the capital that the boomers have invested the research and development , used by industry over the years is now going to be used for their retirement as Peter Zeihan pointed out . I don’t see another way of raising the population in the US without lower housing cost, and it may be that the US government is trying to crash its own economy in order to make this a reality and not sure they are very deceptive in general, especially the FED you can see the problem with the honesty of US government agencies with the 800,000 jobs that never existed that were politically put into the numbers and later removed this happens all the time but 800,000 jobs as a giant number. You also have companies working with the government to create the illusion that there are massive amount of jobs much of this is just recruiting tactics that involve getting resumes in giant batches or deceptive management practices used to make the company look like it has massive amount of growth for investors by pretending that they are constantly hiring to keep up with the demand on their company, which does not really exist. There is a lot of deception here in the United States and people understand there is generally deception and that it is getting worse, but they do not always know where the deception lies so they don’t necessarily have the ability to avoid a particular deception, even if they understand that the government numbers are generally deceptive. Anyone from overseas understand how dishonest the US government is they have to also understand they are just as dishonest, if not more to their own population. There is of having a free, but the free press is owned by certain people of a certain religious ethnic group everything that they want , have members of the intelligence agencies which they also control on the editorial boards and have many decades. We know this because of project Mockingbird and the fact that the CIA admitted to this before Congress.

[@meixo9083]

holy shit dude, this is a youtube vid not an essay contest :)

[@mythicdawn9574]

I can read long essays, but not text blocks. Please consider adding nice line breaks to your texts. At least the minority interested enough will take the time to read you. Seeing your wall of words makes my eyes bleed (I use KZbin in night mode) xD Trust me, it's easy to do, and you might actually get an answer to your ideas, instead of zero.

[@Astillion]

Surely houseprices play a part in fertility within countries. House affordability, as well as fertility, is lower in urban areas than in rural. Then again, in some of the countries with the lowest fertility, like Japan and Italy, much of the countryside is depopulated, and houses there are very affordable. But no one wants to live there, since no one lives there. Everyone flocks to the cities, where all the opportunities are. Opportunities for career and fun leisure activities. Not so much opportunities to start a big family. Society as a whole isn't prioritizing families anymore. It's not just a cultural shift, but an economic as well. Consumerism plays a big part in this I think. Corporations want us to work and consume, not to make babies. Babies are good for the economy in the long term, but bad in the short term. Our society focus on the short term. And governments want people to have more kids, sure, but that isn't reflected in their policies very well. Sure they introduce taxbreaks for families and other measures, but their main priority is to make the economy grow. And they need to make it grow in 4 years or less, or they wont get re-elected. So no one is really doing what's necessary for fertility to increase.

[@Kaslor1000]

I'd say there is a correlation to affordability, but it's actually negative. People who don't want to have kids are often the same who don't have the motivation to save for a house and instead continue living on rent, thus putting less pressure on housing prices. Whereas people who have kinds are usually highly motivated to get a house, driving prices higher.

[@sarahsarah2534]

Israel is not an European country in any way.

[@FreemanJameZ]

There can be no doubt that this year will be worse than the last. I lost a lot of money last year as a result of making bad investing decisions that I would not have made if I hadn't been so worried about my portfolio. I continued to invest, but I wasn't sure if I should start saving for a house. I ultimately had to sell everything I owned since the house required more upkeep than I had anticipated. I'm not sure how long I can continue in this manner.

[@ArchieJohnson5h]

Every one of us has made mistakes at some point. Consider financial planning

[@AdamWright8fool]

It is true. With the assistance of a financial planner, I was able to diversify my portfolio across many markets, resulting in a net profit of more than $1 million from high dividend yield bonds, ETFs, and equities. It is critical that you have an array of exposures, particularly with established lucrative firms.

[@RhysHuntoffice]

Would you mind telling me about your financial planner ?

[@AdamWright8fool]

June Renae Matthysse, If you look her up on the internet, you're going to surely find more information about her

[@FreemanJameZ]

I checked her up on Google because I was intrigued. I studied her bio, and I must admit that her qualifications are quite exceptional, removing all doubt

[@Hemoforrage]

He clearly concludes in the end that housing prices are overrated reason for demographic collapse. So lets stop for the moment and contemplate what else could influence people not to have kids.

[@Bonachos]

Low fertility is primarily cultural tho

[@Boababa-fn3mr]

It's seen across many cultures, including in some supposedly conservative countries.

[@444-w8k]

People who talk out of their ass talk most confidenly ​@@Boababa-fn3mr

[@buddermonger2000]

Yes. However, it's a common question. The answer is also no. Rule of thumb: if a headline is asking a question, the answer is "no"

[@buddermonger2000]

​@@Boababa-fn3mrPop culture has reached far across borders and cultures, especially with the rise of the internet. Not to mention, industrialization does change culture. Not to mention how political development occurs anyway. For example even Iran is fairly westernized. It's thought of as deeply conservative due to leadership, but its fertility rate betrays the reality. Not to mention, secularism is a form of culture. You see the level of secularism and religiosity generally having an effect on fertility rates for that reason. Secularism comes with a culture all its own. Thus it spreads and kills the fertility rate.

[@Boababa-fn3mr]

@@buddermonger2000 Economics drive culture. Life in Iran including marriage, housing and having children is expensive. VVomen are more likely to pursue degrees than men when their families allow them the freedom to do so. These high costs are not cultural.

[@boerbull1443]

There are mechanisms in nature that automatically lower birth rates in animals if their populations get too high. We tend to be arrogant when comparing ourselves to nature and dismiss the idea that these mechanisms could affect us. But I'm not sure what else can explain how vastly different cultures from vastly different geographies, with vastly different social and economic situations, all seem to have the same problem. Ultimately, I'm not too worried about it; as with everything, if left alone, it will rise and fall many times before eventually stabilizing. However what does scare me is how our governments might react, as leaving things alone to sort themselves out is not exactly their forte.

[@juan-ko5hz]

They'll import 100000000000000000000000000000 gazillion immigrants obviously

[@derfelcadarn8230]

Kaiserbauch, I don't know if you've read & reviewed Eric Kaufman's book, "Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth? Demography and Politics in the Twenty-First Century", 2010. I haven't read it, but something about the summary made me think: perhaps the waves of mass immigration to Europe that are causing (relative, for the meanwhile) ethnic replacement in certain European regions are not bound to cause a total, absolute "Great Repl*cement" -- meaning that the ethnic replacement process is absolutely not irreversible, ineluctable, to the contrary, even without mass repatriation of those considered too foreign to be assimilated, if we study closely fertility rates and how they are linked to religious practice, as well the heritability of religious and political dispositions. After all, who are the ones who have children? Conservative & religious people, in all the monotheistic religions: Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc. Conservative Christians have more children than Liberal Christians; Conservative Muslims have more children than Liberal Muslims; Conservative Jews have more children than Liberal Jews etc. That is to say, there is no reason not to think that Muslim populations in the West (& other populations who might be considered too foreign) will be immune to the coming demographic collapse: Liberals & Liberal Christians will practically cease to exist a couple of decades from now, but the same will be true of Liberal Muslims etc. Already this is the case: the fertility rates of immigrant populations in Western countries, align themselves more or less closely with the native population's fertiity rate, after two or three generations. On a more personal level, it is also a trend I've noticed with some "Muslim" acquaintances who are quite Liberal/Secular/Westernized: they don't seem to want a lot of children, and sometimes they don't even want any children. Only Conservative Muslims, it seems, continue to have above fertility rates; but the same is true of Catholics & native-French people in general, to the point that if you see a White family of 4+ children nowadays, you can be quite sure (although it's not always the case) that they are religious/practicing Catholics.

[@maksimfedoryak]

Unnecessary TL;DR for "Idiocracy isn't just funny movie"

[@codysparks1454]

Yeah I think this is spot on. But I need to read this book too, I’ve only read Whiteshift from Eric Kaufman

[@Летисия-я8л]

The difference is that there are so many more conservative Muslims than conservative Catholics. I'm yet to meet a Muslim girl that didn't want kids. And I've been a Muslim for two years. In fact in our female group chat, we often joke (seriously )about having many children to overtake the country 😂

[@codysparks1454]

@@Летисия-я8л do these conservative Muslims account for Muslims living in western countries? Or do they only account for the ones living in Muslim countries?

[@fcw2bom]

It's one thing to compare the prices of housing, are you going to compare the actual conditions people live in? An American might pay more for his detached home than an Italian living with his parents but one of these environments is decidedly more conducive to high birth rates than the other.

[@johncera5484]

10:30 “… if it happens to be the year of the dragon or something…” 😂

[@SeanEustace-zk3mc]

Notice the upswings in van life and homesteading popularity on KZbin channels, everyone wants to get out of the cities, but they can’t

[@xy3617]

Johann Kurtz hypothesizes that women's status is the cause of the fertility decline. Read it on his substack: "It's embarrassing to be a stay-at-home mom".

[@zumurudlilit]

No, it is stupid. You have no income and your circle of friends diminishes to those of your husband. You have to put up with whatever so called husband does. No fucking way. You end up as subhuman.

[@SabzKhumalo]

There is a link between housing costs, education costs and job opportunities and fertility rates. But this applies to developed countries. Developing countries have different systems for housing, and they mostly in peri-urban and rural areas ie. Africa. And the education system is not as expensive as developed countries.

[@baha3alshamari152]

This is not true even in developed countries

[@Ariel-q7n]

Medieval cities where densely populated, upper storied buildings projected outward over walking areas. We in the west need to change our consumer, materialistic, individualistic, housing habits. Taxes & inflation I believe can have more of an impact with high housing costs.

[@ovrsurge4689]

Without watching the video I would guess the answer is "it certainly doesn't help matters" Alone? I doubt it matters dramatically. People can, have and do raise(d) families with several children in apartments. House prices are one of many nails in the coffin and the most important ones are cultural and demographic.

[@ovrsurge4689]

Having watched the video it seems like similar conclusions are being drawn. I would say that some people seem predisposed to want children even in a more contemporary culture. And a reduction in living standards and affordability problems likely do have an impact on the fertility of those people. Which could potentially be one factor in the recent decline in anglosphere countries alongside mental health issues.

[@המטידמטי-ג2נ]

From Israel My parents had 5 kids My uncle had like 11 tho

[@weasel9062]

Of course. Because Joos convinced western women that men are useless and to abort their own children. They just didn't follow the same ideas themselves.

[@SaxonYear410]

​@@weasel9062Scapegoating isn't going to increase the birth rate.

[@anon2034]

How many do you have?

[@AustrianPainter14]

Your country is notsy. That’s why

[@המטידמטי-ג2נ]

@@anon2034 not married yet but in two years or so i plan to get married hopefully

[@Sasquatch-ff1pj]

I realized 2 things when talking about Canada. 1970 is when most women entered job market. They did this because families couldn't afford to live on one income anymore. Housing did become harder to afford during this time. Interest rates on mortgages changed drastically during these years. From 5%-18% in only a few years. This can quadruple monthly housing payments on a house that didn't change price. Just recently Canada went from 0.25% to 5% in 2 years. Doubling mortgage payments. This affects home ownership, families drastically.

[@augustus4832]

Not really, but it isn't helping either. Like, the difference from 1,8 fr to 1,1

[@simon7790]

A few points to note: 1) The focus in the video is on the fertility rate, not absolute changes in population. The fact is for many countries the population is still growing, especially amongst those of family age, and has been for decades, whereas the housing supply has not. 2) House prices are highly correlated to interest rates, far more than population / immigration. Low interest rates have driven house prices up, This is an easy political fix. 3) The change in women's roles, economic status and opportunities has impacted birth rates, and... 4) Family unit sizes have reduced, partly due to divorce rates rising, meaning more family groups per number of people, requiring housing.

[@baha3alshamari152]

1) it's because of immigration

[@dariuslankarian3282]

Remove feminism and fertility will go up. The housing issue while serious is just an easy excuse. Romania has a high (95%) home ownership and still below replacement fertility rate.

[@d3thkn1ghtmcgee74]

How about their disposable income? If you have no job opportunity to support those kids your not going to have them

[@MrEvrit]

Russia, Iran, China, Turkey, most of Eastern Europe ... are all places were feminism is either weak or non-existent yet their fertility rate is very low.

[@bigboyman5743]

nobody will have children in a broken world, even if you force them or strip their rights away, there will always be backlash to this, because people arent slaves or baby making factories

[@dariuslankarian3282]

@@MrEvrit actually in Iran women are highly educated and marry late which contributes to the low fertility.

[@MrEvrit]

@@dariuslankarian3282 you're right! But I find it really Ironic that their birthrate started to decline right after the Islamist takeover. Under the Sha Iran was definitely way more liberal.

[@Mr.patriarchy]

Please make a video about fertility rate in Thailand. in this year, the fertility rate is below 1.0 per women and our government have no plan to solve the fertility crisis.

[@dirremoire]

It's not a crisis. Why is it a crisis?

[@john_doe_not_found]

This video's premise is all wrong and misses the point. Housing became unaffordable vs income since the 1970s. Pretty much everywhere. And it isn't just housing, it is also how safe you feel within your job. Do you think you have stable employment for 40 years, or could you be unemployed at any time. And how many good jobs are in your community. From 1950 - 1970 man had homes that were only 2 or 3x their annual income, and they had stable employment that they felt they would be secure in for the rest of their lives. Also, one income earner made enough money to support the entire family. That is the combination that leads to families. That is not a common occurrence anymore. And thus fertility is low.

[@john_doe_not_found]

Bringing up SK and Japan shows how work culture impacts fertility. In those nations, two incomes are needed, jobs are not secure for life, and required work culture is very high. Homes factor into fertility there, but work culture and social culture are also very crushing to fertility rates. edit: Also, keep in mind, home prices 2x or 3x annual income are the goal. As soon as you require 5x or 10x or 15x or 20x, it is too much. If a 22 yr old can't get a mortgage on a home with his first job, homes are too much and fertility will be impacted. If husband and wife each have to work 40+ hour work weeks, it is too much and fertility is impacted.

[@CTzons]

Feminism gave an excuse for the greedy capitalistic companies to lower wages and thus making people poorer via gender competition

[@kdri267]

​@@john_doe_not_found Re-watch the video, RENTERS were 78% in england back in 1918 and had double the fertility rate. It's NOT related to economics. Some surgeons make a lot of money and have 100% job security, they can live where it's safe. Go ask around if they have 6-8 kids? Go look at all the TOP sports stars. Some make 10M at 22 y/o, how many have >10 kids? You could give 2M$ per european couple and you will not see 5-6 children per women. They would buy a vacation home, ride around in G-wagons, travel the world and retire early. You'll see 1 or 2 children, 3 at most. It's all mental. Children cost very little. Families are not a priority in our societies.