Is The Imitation Game a historically accurate movie?

[@ConwayPacheco]

At 12 min "Betchley park is located in south eastern Germany" Woops -slip of the tongue there.

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Good catch! This is the copy from my script: "Bletchley Park is located in southeastern England, and they actually have a working version of Bombe there today. If you get the chance to visit, I’d highly recommend it!" Sometimes in recording mistakes happen that don't get caught in the editing phase. Thanks for catching that and recognizing it was a slip of the tongue! :)

[@leo5877]

Just spent 5 min on Google doubting everything I ever knew, until realising twas a slip of the tongue

[@garyrichardson8934]

When I went to Station X it was in Milton Keynes; Northwest of London, off the M1. 'Germany' that's hysterical🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@FreakyPete]

12:00 "Bletchley Park is located in South Eastern Germany". That would have been handy in WW2 - much closer to the source of the Enigma traffic than Milton Keynes. LOL.

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Haha!! Yes, it would have! I simply misspoke in the recording and didn’t notice it until it was too late! This mistake was fixed in the podcast back in 2018 ( basedonatruestorypodcast.com/changelog ) but unfortunately KZbin doesn’t let you swap out videos like Vimeo does :( You can hear the updated version here: www.basedonatruestorypodcast.com/03-the-imitation-game/ And there’s an even more in-depth version here: www.basedonatruestorypodcast.com/147-the-imitation-game-with-mark-cotton/

[@anthonyodonnell6105]

Turing's contribution was inestimable, but one must remember all the others' efforts and sacrifices without which Turing's work would have been meaningless.

[@JaceCavacini]

I was looking for a LOT more detail on what was fictionalized. I suspect a LOT more of the film (excellent though it may be) was made up for drama purposes. I’d love to know where I can find out which other facets were indeed factual, based on fact, or entirely constructed for dramatic purposes.

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Hi Jace, you might enjoy my updated version...it's a 2+ hour conversation with the producer of the official Bletchley Park podcast and he dives into a ton of detail: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6mweH2fodh3qNU

[@crankyfox]

I'll save you the trouble. No.

[@crismanacpo3105]

He's a hero in the shadow

[@ShipWreck54]

I thought it was Gordon Welshman who wrote the letter to Winston Churchill? ???

[@bilapelos]

So few views on these video's and still they keep coming... Alot of respect to you sir. Really enjoying the content

[@cluichegamez451]

That man saved millions of lives

[@MrFergusferret]

Cracking enigma started in Poland and was continued by many at bletchly park

[@cluichegamez451]

(shame)

[@cluichegamez451]

MrFergusferret yeah but Alan created the first computer that could crack it straight away.The polish and the British at first were checking each code which millions of years but yeah they started it

[@globalman]

[phone] 39256645 He was murdered by British secret service for being homosexual.

[@globalman]

Yes and for his efforts he was persecuted and experimented upon, chemically castrating him. The British medical profession behaved exactly like the nazis.

[@linusromey561]

I love this movie and understand that there are artistic liberties taken to make a movie. There are two related stories I would love to see made into movies. The first would be the story of the forgotten and unsung heroes of the Polish intelligence community who received the first Enigma machine through their spies and developed the Bomba machine which they gave to the British before the German military overran Poland. The second would be the story of Gordon Welchman, also of Bletchley Park, who's use of traffic analysis contributed as much as the Bomba to breaking the German communications. His system of traffic analysis is still the foundation of monitoring communications today and the primary source of Edward Snowden's release US methods.

[@jefffoster3557]

If neither of them were gay, Hollywood is not interested.

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Those would be great movies! If you didn't get a chance, check out my interview about The Imitation Game and some of those topics are touched on a little more: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6mweH2fodh3qNU

[@joelmillr]

Hey! Great Video! Thoroughly enjoyed it!

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Want more detail? I had a 2+ hour conversation with the producer of the official Bletchley Park podcast about the historical accuracy of The Imitation Game here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6mweH2fodh3qNU

[@vicdrose]

I liked the movie but felt betrayed by the patchwork of stories to aid dramatization I dont mind as long as people do their research but alot of people think these 'based on a true story' movies are documentaries and dont look into it.

[@river-phoenixlunapavier2641]

Bletchley Park isn’t located in Germany it’s in England about an hour’s drive from central London!?!

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Where did you get the impression it was in Germany?

[@river-phoenixlunapavier2641]

Based on a True Story Podcast because it say’s in the video “Bletchley Park is located in south eastern Germany” around the 11-12 minute mark roughly. And from some of the comments I’m not the only one who noticed that mistake. X

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Huh, well that's interesting. It's correct in the transcript (screenshot: goo.gl/knfrzY) but I guess I just misread it when recording. I'm human, sorry. :) Hopefully in context it's clear that the British intelligence didn't base their Enigma-breaking team in Germany. :)

[@JaceCavacini]

Place an annotation in the video for future viewers. I caught this as well.

[@Dingsrud]

What is the purpose of the disturbing noise in the background?

[@mj2906]

It just the story of Hollywood instead history of WWII!!!Bletchley Park had methods of decryption and prototypes of enigma from pols just before WWII started.

[@tommo01]

No mention of Gordan Welchman, who arguably played as important a role as Turing in cracking the Enigma.

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Yeah, there's a lot of people who weren't mentioned in the movie so I couldn't hope to cover everything. Have you listened to the official Bletchley Park podcast? They've got a ton of cool info there: itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/bletchley-park/id550861736

[@piotrb8434]

Neither Turing nor Welchman participated in breaking the Enigma. Three Polish mathematicians broke the Enigma in late 1932 - Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski and Jerzy Różycki.

[@jennywhittle7375]

incredible video.

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@rokvam1]

Also, the film leads us to believe Turing discovered Joan Clarke, but this is not true! She was already at Bletchley Park when Turing got there.

[@harrietharlow9929]

I thank Alan Turing every time I turn on my computer. It's a real shame he was treated so horribly by the government.

[@rokvam1]

Turing did not write the letter you mentioned him self. It was written by the whole team he was a part of!

[@sugandhakohli]

Alan Turing was a mastermind. It is a pity that he was mistreated later in life. But that's a part of social evolution, i guess.

[@mizofan]

sadly, in 2020 there is still plenty of bigotry

[@vsaucemichaelhere3409]

@@mizofan not so much state sponsored bigotry in the western world anymore.

[@edamhamza6515]

I'm religious--I really am. Muslim to be precise, so not the most lenient of religions. Still, the story of Alan Turing baffles me. Every time I try to justify what happened to him, essentially for ''herecy'', everything I believe just falls apart in a second.

[@Martindyna]

He was not vilified by the authorities for his religion but for his sexuality, all homosexual men were made to feel inferior in that era by the powers that be including the media. Chemical castration (instead of prison for being convicted of the act of `gross indecency') had nasty side effects that it is assumed resulted in his suicide. FYI The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act (1994) reduced the age of consent for gay and bi men in England and Wales to 18, and in 2001 to 16. In May 2004, the Sexual Offences Act (2003) repealed the sexual offences of gross indecency and buggery which were deleted from the statutes.

[@azk4377]

Excellent. Sad though that stupidity through ignorance have influence the movement of the norms. Corruption and degenerate movements that makes great people suffer. Alot...

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

We should learn from the past to make the future better. Thanks for listening!

[@sallsohun5128]

I believe it's true story! Do you think all dear?

[@BillBird2111]

“Little did they know that Britain’s eventual victory could be attributed largely to one man: Alan Turing.” Yeah, I don't think so. Turing played a role. But to dismiss the contributions of tens of thousands of others is very insulting. That's going a bit too far. Certainly, Turing's work should be remembered and celebrated. He did some very important things. But to sit there and say Britain's victory can be attributed to just one guy is, well, wrong. It's revisionist. It's wrong. Don't start some backlash against the guy or the contributions of others at Bletchley Park. Don't start giving him ALL THE CREDIT for the victory over Nazi, Germany. Turing wasn't fighting off the hordes of Lufwaffe fighters and bombers attempting to clear the skies ahead of a land invasion. He hadn't even cracked Enigma yet. That statement goes WAY TOO FAR.

[@uksimonseye]

The movie U571 ? that was as bad as the Imitation Game, if not worse on historical accuracy.

[@funkymonkey529]

Wow. Though cyanide From what I understand does come from seeds of an Apple One Apple won't do it 10 apples worth of seeds won't even do it It would have to be extracted in everything else. You can literally eat an entire Apple and not die You can eat a handful of Apple seeds and not die.

[@iancrossley6637]

In the movie the chess champion said "We just defeated the Nazi's with a few crossword enthusiasts" or close. I almost fell off the couch. Who allowed that to be said? Had they never heard of Stalingrad and the mighty effort the Russians played in defeating the Nazi's?

[@mizofan]

Of course Stalingrad was of massive importance, and BP didn't defeat the Nazis but they were vital in saving the war rather than British surrender- which certainly made life harder for the Germans v the Soviets. BP had crucial knock on effects. The Nazis came close to defeating the Soviets in '41, might well have done so with Britain out of the war..

[@docastrov9013]

@@mizofan You'd think someone going on the £50 note would have had his MI5 file made public. The whole story around the burglary and his later death stink.

[@drenek1]

Only the Russians made efforts?

[@JoseSanchez-zo5tb]

France would be speaking German if it wasn’t for America

[@jefffoster3557]

Not to mention the new radar tech.

[@yujinhikita5611]

hey i was wondering if i could get your script

[@HessSR]

he never got the script

[@jonpitts1978]

Bletchley park is not in Southern Germany

[@XxxX-wx3er]

17:35 -- being gay wasn't illegal for women during the 40's??

[@pintpot]

No. Being a lesbian was never illegal under English and Welsh law.

[@globalman]

It was never illegal for women. There were never laws against lesbians. Lesbians were not sent to concentration camps or to prison for same sex relationships. Only men were ever persecuted. Started with early Christianity. That religion was behind all bigotry against homosexual men and Jewish people.

[@gerardjones7881]

@@globalman Ahh, the good old days.

[@LIscariot]

Basically, women weren't considered to have sex drives. If women didn't want sex, and only men did, then lesbians don't actually exist. Therefore, no need to make a law against someone who doesn't exist.

[@leemoore5212]

@@LIscariot My understanding is that Queen Victoria was responsible. When in the 19th century tha British government decided to make homosexual activity a statutory offence (no doubt it had previously been a common law offence) it is claimed that Queen Victoria, aghast, flatly refused to believe that lesbians existed. Although by then the British monarch had no actual political power, there was still a certain deference on the part of the government, and the government dropped female homosexuality from the Bill, to avoid aghasting the Queen further. (Who contrary to propaganda was far from a sex hating prude. She and Albert were at it hammer and tongs to the tune of nine children.)

[@davidsabillon5182]

I enjoyed the movie even if it isn't accurate.

[@bystander1489]

There was another 4 or 5 super enigma coding machines that were way harder to break and nothing about the guy who broke the code

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

If you haven't yet, I'd recommend checking out my other episode on The Imitation Game. I had a chat with the podcast producer for Bletchley Park and he went into a ton of detail including information about some of the other enigma machines: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6mweH2fodh3qNU

[@elessal]

rather than a royal pardon they should have given him a royal beg of forgiveness.

[@florinivan6907]

How exactly do you beg forgiveness from a dead guy? Seriously.

[@donaldedward4951]

Bletchley Park is near Milton Keynes Buckinghamshire a few miles west of London. Movie was highly dramatized and I have my doubts about it being historically accurate. Some homosexuals are highly intelligent for example Leonardo da Vinci. I wonder how many geniuses the Christian and Islamic potentates have had slaughtered because of their weird ideas about sexuality. The official theory was that homosexuals could be blackmailed and thus those who had secrets had to be closely watched and it was this that apparently troubled Turing (who found it impossible to live a normal life or what for homosexuals was a normal life) to the point of suicide. Who knows but that idea is based on what his psychiatrist said. Since the transistor had not been invented at that time the machine used many, many valves which had the same function but used a lot of electric power and thus produced a immense amount of heat.

[@scottfuller5194]

Not historically nor technically accurate.....not at all.....! Get the facts straight....! The enigma was the lowest level, (double encryption), of the five (5) different types of German cypher machines used by the Germans.......and Turing only worked on remodelling the Polish "Bombe", a combination of six polish replica enigma rotors.......used to reduce the effort necessary to find the new daily keys to break into the enigmas encryption system....cracking the German naval model of it, a four-rotor encryption machine for secret, tactical use.....the LORENZ was the highest level cypher machine....a TWELVE-ROTOR triple encryption cypher machine used for the Top Secret Strategic communications of Hitler and the German High Command.....Bill Tutte, alone, cracked the Lorenz cypher machine while Tommy Flowers conceived, designed, built and put into operation the Colossus, the world's very first digital, memory based computer.....used to speed up finding the new daily keys for the Lorenz.........Turing had NOTHING to do with that incredible achievement...! NOTHING....!

[@BasedonaTrueStoryPodcast]

You might enjoy my updated version, which is a 2+ hour conversation with the producer of the official Bletchley Park podcast about the historical accuracy of The Imitation Game here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6mweH2fodh3qNU

[@roadgent7921]

Well said. Tommy Flowers gets no mention in the film. The movie was strewn with inaccuracies.

[@benquinneyiii7941]

Posthumous

[@raynebenson9040]

No

[@TheShatry]

Whatever Historian says .... Obviously there wouldn't be a computer without Arabic numerals, algebra, zero numbers etc. Algorithms invented by Muslim / Arab scientists.

[@leemoore5212]

Arabic speaking scientists. The majority of the subjects of the lands conquered by the Arabs were not Arabs, many remained Christian or Jewish and many converted to Islam for reasons of expediency. The truth is that we don't really know how much of the "Arab" contribution to mathematics was actually Arab and how much was from their conquered non Arab subjects. To attribute it all to the Arabs would be like attributing the whole advance of science since WW2 to the "English" simply on the grounds that the great majority of science these days is published in English.

[@roadgent7921]

Sorry that's not right. The concept of using base10 with 10 gylphs was Indian. The current set was finalised in Europe 16th century. Not to detract from Arab mathematicians though, their contribution was significant in history.

[@berrym7776]

Well... I'll admit. The truth was stretched a bit but they had the idea of ot