Is The Joker Legally Insane?

[@magicoA]

“Is the joker crazy?” 15 minutes later “Is there even free will?” Well that escalated quickly

[@sky0kast0]

That was at 8:30 or so for anyone who wants to know

[@Red_Anon]

Ive pretty much always thought free will is impossible because humans are only capable of acting in response to either physical impulses or interpolated information

[@AndrewDembouski]

Enjoyed the video up until that point

[@errorcode6168]

😂 Indeed

[@JK_The_Fool]

Exactly what the joker wants

[@justindeportion4706]

Cop: Sir, are you being insane without a license? Joker: *Begins to sweat*

[@callmev3531]

A RandomPerson, more like *starts to laugh*

[@jamescrone1588]

Here I have a card 🃏 hahahahaha

[@Ingolenuru]

Begins to sweat and then pulls an identification sized card from somewhere and hands it over. The non-glove wearing hand of the recipient of the card heats it to the point where Joker's special mix of chemical causes the card to explode with copious amounts of smoke. The Joker knows how long to wait for the card to blow up and uses the distraction to escape.

[@katyushamarikov8819]

I didn't know he visited Britain.

[@noasnobody8929]

@@katyushamarikov8819 you got a license for that comment?

[@wipplewopple1876]

Oh great, now he's making a defense for himself in case he gets caught.

[@91plm]

upvote this so he can see it!!! XD

[@felixsubakti6907]

Joker defended himself in the white knight storyline

[@ottomanblitzkrieg4922]

@THE VOID fuck you

[@theprotagonist6057]

Kyle: "Now become aware of your thoughts" Me: *Has no thoughts for the first time in 15 years*

[@Siberius-]

That's some decent mindful meditationing my dood.

[@havewissmart9602]

Same!!!

[@brushzaid2484]

That's actually the first thing they teach when learning mindfulness.

[@dylankeel2823]

I actually had to make myself think about a cheeseburger at that part

[@bilbotook1810]

When your told to think, you can't think.

[@thegamingglitch2.062]

“When did you choose to be you” In the character creation menu of course

[@hoodedgenius3249]

i just got given a choice of three premade characters

[@MrBigBoy403]

I pressed random

[@evilovesperry]

@@hoodedgenius3249 you missed the customize button. It's small

[@fatemehsoniaimantalab6608]

I am actually multiple characters ;)

[@high_as_icarus5057]

@@fatemehsoniaimantalab6608 #schizophrenia

[@markschoenhals7344]

“Super sane” means he knows he’s a comic book character. And that’s the joke

[@stonebehemoth2331]

*Joker is Super Sane* Me: DEADPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! WE NEED TO GET JOKER!

[@nyankers]

@OriginalTharios and thats the joke

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

@@nyankers The joke is more along the lines of him knowing his victims are just strokes of ink on paper, so when this serious brooding man in a bat costume just tries to bring him to justice, you can see how comical it is.

[@monroerobbins7551]

So.... Deadpool.

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

@@monroerobbins7551 Sort of but in a much more dark and serious manner. Deadpool uses it to poke fun and be cooky, joker sees it as a reason to kill and maim and laugh about it.

[@Frostwolf223]

I was not expecting a "Because Philosophy" episode.

[@GenJuhru]

Science is applied philosophy... PHILO 101

[@Gooberpatrol66]

Because Law

[@c-hd.8644]

What would happen if free will was an illusion ? In such a case, what could be the upside of believing, at an individual scale, that we are indeed free ? Despite all the evidence of determinism’s considerable influence upon us ? Start to ponder about it and you will realize that, if you think with the same brain with which you think, then ANY bias affecting your reasoning on yourself will provoke the failure of said reasoning - since the medium through which you think is affected by the very same bias you are trying to identify. In other words, in a positive sense, it is impossible to think about oneself properly, just as a division by zero is meaningless : you can only be tending toward it, but never totally reach it. Unless you are ‘’perfect’’ - meaning, here, fully aware of everything about yourself, from the events that lead to your existence to the causes of who you became -, you can’t be fully un-biased. As an ad absurdo thought experiment, let’s imagine someone who has a perfectly unbiased view of themselves, and who would be able to retrace and understand the cause of each event leading to their current existence, and to who they are at this moment. What would actually happen if this person tried to think about why they are themselves ? Well, not only would they retrace a causal chain of events growing bigger and bigger by the second ; but ultimately, and whatever the complexity of the taken path might be, their introspection would only lead to a simple choice : ‘’what would I want to be, since I am really free to choose ?’’ And that’s where lies the hard limit of thought : a person capable of such a deep level of introspection would also be able to know the cause of their own choices. In that scenario, would it be their choice, or their acceptance of any given determinism ? Then the quest of becoming someone you choose to become would loop on itself indefinitely, since any attempt at ending it can only result in its failure. Nonetheless, there is another path : refusing to choose. Refusing any determinism. … Which means remaining trapped into your own introspection. Just as a Larsen of pure thought, the perfect consciousness of the very process with which thinking is being formed will eventually paralyze the mind. So, if this whole ‘’perfectly unbiased and reasoning human’’ story isn’t achievable, then maybe it is to protect our minds from such a fate ; much like the safety fuses for electronical devices, our incapacity of staring at ourselves without any bias could be a defense mecanism from the mind… against itself.

[@Johncornwell103]

@@c-hd.8644 Free will is real. The only problem is that happens when a person can't act on them or won't remember doing it. A newborn has no bias of self A drunk man has no filter to say no intentional or NOT. Meaning his bias doesn't matter

[@c-hd.8644]

@@Johncornwell103 I think we do not speak of the same thing : bias are no social restraints, but limitations to what we are able to think to. I agree, newborns have no prenotions of their own (though they will gain some very early), and drunk people lack those restraints ... Like dement old people, some kind of autists and so on. Doesn't mean they does not lack at least some of the nearly infinite abilities to look at their reality : a baby won't know that he/she is something apart of Mom for some time, a drunk person won't stop to be racist, blind or even born in some country, therefore not anywhere else. Not to mention raised by other people, and so on. What I call a bias isn't a filter but a horizon, a limit to what you can see ... And I don't think anyone could ever tell he/she knows everything. So, his/her free will won't be anything but the perception of being able to choose among its determinisms, lacking any other options avalaible he/she can't be aware of, due to his/her previous experiences. Not to mention that even if he/she was, as I said, ultimately a infinite choice of determinisms is nothing but the negation of free will too, because of the causality that lead to the choice.

[@devon596]

You and LegalEagle should've teamed up on this.

[@thatdamncatboy7963]

Yeeees. I just thought the same, it would be great :D

[@papaSwarls]

I thought about that too, then the free will stuff started coming up lol

[@dubbleyou248]

CrimsonRush117 yes

[@TheOutsider69]

Was about to comment the same.

[@pinkliongaming8769]

Lol

[@czechmate8287]

"Close your eyes for a moment. Are they closed? Take deep breaths..." Me, listening to this while driving:

[@andersenzheng]

but did you close them?

[@davidninan88]

Well clearly, since there's no reply

[@Kittsuera]

@@davidninan88 /sigh *and this has been a PSA about texting/ commenting / following directions at the wrong time while driving. Remember kids, don't do it. if its important find a safe designated parking place to pull over. Otherwise, replying to messages can wait.*

[@biokenetix3291]

I said the same thing lol

[@doomzday66]

This reply section is lit AF

[@tomm3026]

Question: just me or did it seem Kyle is setting up his defense for when his supervilliany catches up to him??

[@jefffontes6486]

I was thinking the same thing! "Don't blame the super villain! It's just who we I mean THEY.... are."

[@qinjikofoxx5580]

I just made the 666th like. Let that sink in.

[@collinblatchford]

@@qinjikofoxx5580 I'm not liking exactly for that reason

[@titantrainer592]

He does say in his nuclear power video that the department of energy removed his supervillain record for making the video

[@Theoq99]

"When did you decide to be you?" What do you mean, I spent forever at the character creation menu only to end up with this spectacular mess.

[@revan0890]

Nine months down the drain.

[@zombiegroan3985]

And now I’m a stealth archer.

[@Russo-Delenda-Est]

Yeah, I figured I'd skip out on the mathematics skill tree and divert those points to physical strength. It has not gone well...

[@LordStarkillerII]

Me: "And done" Game: "you have not assigned all of your skill points, by continuing you forfeit all left over skill points thus making the game harder." Me: "eh screw it what could go wrong." Me (later): "oh that's what could go wrong."

[@jackielinde7568]

In hindsight, dumping everything into INT and using STR, DEX, and CHA as dump stats may have been a mistake. Also, picking Chaotic Good as an alignment didn't go as well. At least I wasn't stupid enough to go for the LG Paladin combo. Sadly, picking NPC as my class wasn't a good idea, either.

[@akanji8285]

He’s trying to make us all more forgiving of him when he finally implements his super villain plan

[@davidt8087]

Hehe not really but but this type of tactic is so often used in KZbin comments. People who will defend or make excuses or arguments for or against the rest who logically decided it's good or bad for the right reasons, and then comes along some KZbinr saying the opposite. Probably because unconsciously they know they're the type who would do something the rest would disagree with, and thus be against him, so sneaky you tubers try to defend their actions in the comments before they even make them

[@TheBlackSerpentBeta]

"close your eyes and become aware of the thoughts your thinking" Me: *Does so* My mind: *Screams in a chorus of voices* Me: "Well that's not a good sign"

[@ArchaeusPerpetuum]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

[@dangingerich2559]

That's abnormal? I always have about a dozen different things running through my head, usually one of them is a music track. Stopping thinking and clearing my mind takes active effort. It's not different "voices" per se, but more many of the various problems I have, most of which I'm paid to solve, being a computer support tech. My mind is much like my desk, cluttered and always changing.

[@TheBlackSerpentBeta]

@@dangingerich2559 Same But in this instance, its the screaming the bothers me

[@mixartjohnson8968]

*Close eyes thinks of Waifu* Thinks of City, Chooses between Utah, Nevada, Washington and Ohio cities, was about to consider California ones when he said to focus on one. Chooses one. Says I don't have free will, my mind: Bullsh!+.

[@TheBlackSerpentBeta]

@@mixartjohnson8968 Indeed

[@TwiStedTentom]

"When did you, decide to be you?" *Vsauce? Is that you?*

[@deathsyth8888]

"Hey Because Science, Kyle here."

[@myMotoring]

He is Michael, disguised in hair.

[@TwiStedTentom]

@@myMotoring Indeed. I love Vsauce, but he releases videos only on blue moon days.... In the meantime, this is a nice fix to get me by!

[@Sam-fq3bt]

Relevant xkcd xkcd.com/220/

[@joshuaburgess4158]

@@TwiStedTentom hes done a shit ton of videos on ding

[@ikaro342]

Kyle: Ladies and Gentlemen. I might just be a simple super villain- Me: YES! Kyle: lawyer Me: :(

[@KaliTakumi]

My same thought lol

[@eddydrouet1888]

Kyle: and while you're doing that I'm going to take over Gotham. Me: I KNEW IT THIS WHOLE TIME. GOTCHA

[@kevinlee6009]

No no no guys, what he meant was he's a Super Villain and he's a Lawyer, Super Villain-Lawyer.

[@bobbobby5158]

It depends on the version of the Joker really, there are some versions of Joker who genuinely cannot help themselves (i swear i remember there's apparently a scene where Batman asks Joker to stop but Joker says "I can't I can't I can't!") and some versions who are in complete control of everything and yet decide to do the bad thing anyways (Injustice Joker)

[@duckygogo10]

He just admitted it! “I’m just a super villain, lawyer..” Case closed.

[@Estarfigam]

Without the comma it's redundant.

[@duckygogo10]

Everette Bradfute 😂😂😂

[@thewerefrog2354]

The quote is, "Now I may be just a super villain, lawyer." The "may" in that sentence creates ambiguity. It implies that he may not be a super villain.

[@GeorgeDolbier]

"I'm Just a ..... Lawyer" the claim is that he is a lawyer, the qualifier is meaningless to the overall claim. (trained contract reviewer here)

[@duckygogo10]

The Werefrog as any super villain would, of course.

[@razinhailsharp]

"is free will just an illusion?" Oh great, Kyle is in the matrix.

[@postmortem4954]

@Agent J Bro, there are many situations where people got no control over what is happening in their lives. You could be educated and prepared and still not get that "dream job" or whatever position you were studying for. There are many problems in society, economy, politics, infrastructure and Laws/governance that could stand in the way of how successful an individual could be. You didn't/can't choose your reality, you make the best with what you got... And what's wrong with hopes and prayers?

[@postmortem4954]

@Agent J I don't know where you stand buddy but you need to come back to reality. You can be "Paralyzed by fear" or "believe bullshit" all you want, but if the economy of your country is bad, no amount of "choosing your reality" will help that or any other global issue. YOU can't "choose" to change problems in the world, especially when they affect your success... yes, YOUR SUCCESS.

[@postmortem4954]

@Agent J I don't know who you are, but even you have things that made you successful. You chose a lot, but not every thing that brought you to where you are today. Good People, educational degrees, political Influences, good healthcare, who knows but all these and many more contributed to your success. Say your country didn't provide enough of these things or not at all, say we take them away from you and have you grow up, what are you in the end of the day... well, a lot less successful than you are now. You can't choose your reality, but you can choose your path in life.

[@Ingolenuru]

@Agent J there are many persons with horrible circumstances in their lives. Some of these persons turn out to be truly admirable persons and some become rich and famous through hard work and dedication. They suffered hardships in their lives that are just as hard as another person who does not succeed but they did through their own efforts. 'Identical' twins often have completely different lives. Why is that? Same lives and influences but different results. Your argument is invalid.

[@duskears8736]

Nah, he's not wearing enough leather and latex, nor is he sporting sunglasses.

[@JackBarlowStudios]

Kyle: Why didn’t you think of Dublin? Me, who thought of Dublin: That’s where you’re wrong, kiddo.

[@z-beeblebrox]

But did you choose to use that meme, or did the meme choose you?

[@amartinez97]

@@z-beeblebrox A boy dont pick the meme, the meme picks the boy.

[@diphyllum8180]

I thought of Dublin, because I scrolled down and saw this comment

[@cutTHRUyou]

I’m just here wondering how the joker never got a death sentence

[@schnoz2372]

Drained_Entity because he probably has their families at gunpoint at all times.

[@tsfbaf303]

ImASpookyAndroid Isn’t it weird how the US is the only western country medieval enough to still kill people as punishment? The law is not for personal revenge, it’s supposed to be objective and yet the US as a whole still practises it.

[@cerdi_99]

bc the point of a legal system is to reform ppl, not erase them from existence. It's unbelievable to me that some states in the USA still use the death sentence

[@andyp23456]

@Vishya Knewdat actually the death penalty for rape is a horrible idea because it has been proven that when there is a death penalty for rape the rapists are much more likely to kill their victims. That is why it is no longer used in rape cases

[@lovellhorrors1586]

It's not legal to execute the insane. And in some places it's illegal all together.

[@jodinsan]

"Now, I might just be a simple super villain lawyer..." Soo..... is that a lawyer _for_ super villains or a lawyer that _is_ a super villain?

[@neomechaleon]

Kyle : Yes

[@owenburt1606]

Why not both ?

[@mewletter]

Ask She-Hulk. She was once a lawyer for supervillains

[@breydonhowieson6821]

Yes

[@souskai]

2 Face, She Hulk, Daredevil.

[@jokedann]

This episode: "How to discuss Determinism without mentioning It"

[@ninjahombrepalito1721]

IKR!? XD

[@pasanmanawadu1137]

Legit my first thought

[@Pwnr145]

I applaud the effort and the factual basis, however I would like to say that a video such as this has a very superficial take on mental illness as a whole. I would like to say that, but then you brought it back around to displaying the sympathy you have for those who have been wrought by circumstance and turning it towards a mindfulness exercise that explains to the popular people that we are not different than those who we part our ways from (and more than that in a biopsychosocial reference!). There needs to be more of an understanding about these contexts of life, and there needs to be more funding to make it so that we all can feel comfortable in our own skin to evolve, to get better, and to better those around us. And if our compassion met no bounds, perhaps thought experiments such as these have a place in commiting all of those objectives to reality. In sum, I applaud you, and I would ask that you would use this as an opportunity to increase awareness to an organization that advocates for and educates the popular opinion on what mental illness is and how it affects every person in society. NAMI is a perfect example, and deserves to be supported as much as possible. Please share this in your further examination of the comments on your videos, I'm sure it will help the cause that I can see you have a great insight upon, and a cause that affects millions of Americans. If you are able to and interested you can donate to NAMI dot org (I didn't know if I'd get flagged for handling an actual URL) and if we all chipped in a couple of dollars (perhaps sacrificing that one PSL you crave before it even reaches midway through October) the lives of so many people would be impacted so greatly. Thank you.

[@andox8899]

Super villains such as Kyle don't use such words

[@c-hd.8644]

What would happen if free will was an illusion ? In such a case, what could be the upside of believing, at an individual scale, that we are indeed free ? Despite all the evidence of determinism’s considerable influence upon us ? Start to ponder about it and you will realize that, if you think with the same brain with which you think, then ANY bias affecting your reasoning on yourself will provoke the failure of said reasoning - since the medium through which you think is affected by the very same bias you are trying to identify. In other words, in a positive sense, it is impossible to think about oneself properly, just as a division by zero is meaningless : you can only be tending toward it, but never totally reach it. Unless you are ‘’perfect’’ - meaning aware of every single thing about you and why you become who you are, in this case -, you can’t be fully un-biased. As an ab absurdo thought experiment, let’s imagine someone who has a perfectly unbiased view of themselves, and who would be able to retrace and understand the cause of each event leading to their current existence, and to who they are at this moment. What would actually happen if this person tried to think about why they are themselves ? Well, not only would they retrace a causal chain of events growing bigger and bigger by the second ; but ultimately, and whatever the complexity of the taken path might be, their introspection would only lead to a simple choice : ‘’what would I want to be, since I am really free to choose ?’’ And that’s where lies the hard limit of thought : a person capable of such a deep level of introspection would also be able to know the cause of their own choices. In that scenario, would it be their choice, or their acceptance of any given determinism ? Then the quest of becoming someone you choose to become would loop on itself indefinitely, since any attempt at ending it can only result in its failure. Nonetheless, there is another path : refusing to choose. Refusing any determinism. … Which, sadly, means remaining trapped into your own introspection. Just as a Larsen of pure thought, the perfect consciousness of the very process with which thinking is being formed will eventually paralyze the mind. So, if this whole ‘’perfectly unbiased and reasoning human’’ story isn’t achievable, then maybe it is to protect our minds from such a fate ; much like the safety fuses for electronical devices, our incapacity of staring at ourselves without any bias could be a defense mecanism from the mind... against itself.

[@papahan2049]

Kyle: I'm not a supervillain. Also Kyle: IS the Joker truly guilty of his crimes? 😂

[@Taima]

This might be my all time favorite video. It went from the run of the mill Because Science breakdown, to a deep introspective and philosophically-tied series of thought experiments that will affect many people. The music dropping made it so much more powerful, and I love how well you did with treating something seriously. People who never considered this and grasped the concept (or will later due to their interest in learning more) may now have their outlook on things drastically altered. Whether one has free will is an important part of religious understanding too, depending on one's faith and denomination. I've used this in my arsenal in different ways, and I hope others will make use of it too, or just learn more about it. It's so cool and concerning.

[@SalmonColoredSalmon6267]

If you liked this one, check out Shoddycast's Rethinking series video on "Does Good Or Bad Karma Exist" 😎😉

[@Taima]

@@SalmonColoredSalmon6267 lol wow my memory is so bad that I don’t remember a damn thing about this video and it’s kinda nuts seeing my comment expressing how much I loved it. Might have to rewatch this lol. Just added your recommendation to my watch list. Thanks!

[@danielwright9280]

Kyle trying to prove him self insane so that he can use term criminally insane if needed

[@paradox7358]

Judge - "What evidence do you offer to support this plea of insanity?" Me - "Well for one I done hire Kyle to represent me" Judge - "Insanity plea accepted."

[@arminkleinemas128]

Joker ^^ funny www.minds.com/xxxminibierxxx/ supervillian that would be great

[@arminkleinemas128]

@@Jessefancolly climate scam

[@TopRacer2002]

Ouch, burn!!! 😁 😁 😁

[@revan0890]

I love the Futurama.

[@thepinebros.1873]

"When did you choose to be you?" *vsauce music starts playing*

[@LordofSyn]

I chuckled at this one!!

[@thepinebros.1873]

@Teo Gárate yeah thought of this because I just saw the newest one

[@thepinebros.1873]

@@LordofSyn thanks!

[@LordofSyn]

@@thepinebros.1873 You're most welcome and I, too; am glad that VSauce has returned.

[@KnightOfGaea]

...but that's just a theory. A game theory!

[@Laughys_Madh0use]

When he gets real, he actually mentions criminals may be criminals due to abuse Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker was abused as a young lad

[@WarlandWriter]

"Hey there, vscauc- Kyle Hill here"

[@clubtercelquebec]

Which is not a bad thing ! Haha (i also had that thought at some points in the video ;) )

[@loganwilliamsbluecheck]

Totally my thoughts too.

[@myrturbine]

Sounds like Kyle is trying real hard to justify himself being a super villain

[@atomicnectar]

myrturbine one of these days he’s gonna get caught and has all the proof he needs to plead insanity. It’s genius

[@myrturbine]

An_bod_ Y true

[@soren4915]

"...maybe you realize that you are having a feeling of hunger..." Me: Damn this guy is good

[@lyulf0]

I heard that just as I was finishing my sandwich during lunch

[@MrSJPowell]

I mean there was a lot of psychological seeding going on in that segment, which was part of the point.

[@cutebagel3531]

my first thought was simply "cheese"

[@FrozenFeet0]

This video has been viewed thousands of times by, presumably, hundreds if not thousands of people in different situations. Statistically, he had to be right about someone. 😝

[@jannepeltonen2036]

"If consciousness is an illusion, who is it that is being fooled?" -Someone on the feedback column of the New Scientist magazine, sometime around 1999, when the editorial staff seemed to be obsessed with this particular issue that usually leads nowhere :)

[@bobthabuilda1525]

A couple issues with this: A. The argument in this video is that free will is an illusion, not consciousness. There's a pretty big difference there. B. This type of conversation doesn't lead to "nowhere." This can literally change your entire outlook on...well, everything. I know for me, personally, I am now a bigger advocate for more compassionate treatment for prisoners, and more aware of environmental factors involved in any crime or morally abhorrent behavior. This changes the kind of juror I would be, political policies I advocate for, etc. That's some pretty major shit that you're chalking up to nothing.

[@thewildcardperson]

@@bobthabuilda1525 so help people that hurt others but not normal innocent people your pathetic and what's wrong with the world

[@pasindudinusha6507]

@@bobthabuilda1525 I don't really care about compassionate treatments. Maybe minor crimes? But criminals who had committed atrocities deserves no compassion. I think best thing is do the same thing to them that they have done to their victims. I think that's justice.

[@Nishom0926]

One's own self just to release it from pain of being alone and nothingness

[@guyclykos]

When did you, decide to be you?" RNG mostly taken care of it.

[@Nalrus_The_Walrus]

Life hit me with a draw 4 card and I couldn't do anything but respect the play.

[@guyclykos]

@@Nalrus_The_Walrus True that. Hurts but true.

[@jordanpatrick2627]

Kyle: "Think of a city" My Brain: "Got it, here is a beach" Kyle:"When did you choose that city?" My Brain: "I didn't, I picked a beach."

[@remnantryku7112]

Good job, brain... lol

[@joshuasomeones9618]

Actually, I picked a State. The State I am in in the US. I picked a State thoughtlessly because I have lived in many cities in my state that are too close to tell exactly where the lines are.

[@zerocalvin]

well at least your brain give you a reply.. my brain just give silent for the whole experiment...

[@n1elkyfan]

@@zerocalvin I hate when that happens. Have a stream of thoughts. You know I should right that done so I don't forget. Grab paper and pen. Now what was I thinking about "I don't Know" *shrug*

[@MonkeyJedi99]

I got velocity.

[@Jessie_Helms]

This would have been a golden opportunity to collab with Legal Eagle

[@Riggs_The_Roadie]

I came down to the comments looking for this exact comment.

[@Jessie_Helms]

Skeletor7599 I’m wondering if DJ has destroyed his collabablility with that “Game Theory stole my video” fiasco a while back. Because I’ve seen several great opportunities for people to collaborate that have been missed.

[@jacobkobald1753]

@@Riggs_The_Roadie me too lol

[@jacobkobald1753]

@@Jessie_Helms game theory gave him a shout out in it

[@loodlebop]

My thoughts

[@mr.jwashere7549]

“This video is sponsored by Cw’s Batwoman” Hahahaha No.

[@KerbosYT]

Thought the same hahahaa

[@bandawin18]

That show sucks, and I have never seen it

[@DavidTokugi44]

@Vishya Knewdat of course he wouldn't stoop so low with that impropriety. He lives in a society

[@broodhd8106]

No I like that show I also like most CW shows

[@broodhd8106]

Haku infinite I only said that so no one calls me Sexist

[@Crocogator]

"What's the first thing that pops into your head?" Brain: Magic the gathering god dammit

[@michaelpaluch9267]

Same, except it was more like, What is different now that they released MTGA officially? the answer: nothing

[@kyledobbs7771]

@@MonkeyJedi99 Exactly! For something to "pop 'into' your head" it must enter.

[@edschramm6757]

thoughtseize

[@Bodwaizer]

"Gee, superhero movies suck"

[@Ron_Steel]

Dag nammit... I was reading the comments and watching at the same time and now I can think about it bloody magic the gathering

[@RabblesTheBinx]

"Think of a city" Me: Lancaster. "Why that city?" Me: Because I live in Lancaster. "Why not Dublin?" Me: Because I live in Lancaster. "Why not Cairo?' Me: Because I live in Lancaster.

[@Johncornwell103]

Ohio?

[@SGxShadow]

"Think of a city" Me: Chicago. "Why that city?" Me: Because I live in Chicago. "Why not Dublin?" Me: Because I live in Chicago. "Why not Cairo?' Me: Because I live in Chicago.

[@RabblesTheBinx]

@@Johncornwell103 well, I'm not going to say *which* Lancaster, obviously.

[@MHShah17]

Same reasoning (Toronto,)

[@MadCrazeTheBlade708]

I had a similar reasoning. "Think of a city" Baltimore "Why that city?" It's a close city to where I live "Why not Dublin?" I'm nowhere near Dublin and I am a born American why would I randomly choose Dublin? "Why not Cairo?" Same deal my science dude, cept this time it's cuss I'm not from Missouri or Egypt.

[@deadmanrang]

Next video: "Is the Cyclops legally blind?"

[@YTfanatic209]

Lee Gabriel M Banasihan Next video: “Is Superman considered an illegal immigrant?”

[@sweetrumman6496]

I know this video is old, but remember when Kyle said "the universe has no obligation" to get you laid" in response of the argument of your significant other being predetermined? Wouldn't having no free will validate the claim that your significant other IS predetermined since you have no choice and 'this is how things would've turned out anyways'? Checkmate Kyle. Love the show.

[@scarletspidernz]

Kyle: "Close your eyes for a moment. Are they closed?" Me: Oh hell no!! I saw what evil Kyle did, I ain't getting back stabbed

[@mariusbuboi6591]

He's allready making his defence for the time he's getting convicted as a super villain

[@manamongmen3381]

Kyle: Imma make a existential video. Children watching his show: Cries in terror.

[@mr.martinez1603]

Also I can very clearly remember points in my childhood where I was aware that I had a decision that I needed to make that would affect my development as a personality and a person in the future. And many times even given all the previous information about my life it seems to me my choices in these situations were not predictable. Is free will totally dead when we are able to contradict and act against our snap reactions, or when our snap reaction is uncertainty forcing us to make a conscious decision?

[@micahblakeslee]

I agree. We make choices. I've heard this video's argument before and it's weak.

[@ZeeengMicro]

"Just a super villain lawyer" Hmm... so instead of becoming one, you're just helping them. Sound like something super villain would do.

[@ZyphisV]

Except that he didn't help him. He proved that joker is not criminally insane. Instead... It appears he's taken out a rival supervillain...

[@TheKampfmaschine]

@@ZyphisV so he's taking out his competitors, interesting Also does 'super villain lawyer' imply he's a lawyer for super villains or that he's a super villain who is also a lawyer

[@drowsymachinist]

Yes.

[@TheMegaOnyx]

So just a lawyer then?

[@joeyuzwa891]

SwiggitySwooty BOTH!!!!

[@Dragnfly_mynamewastaken]

"Think of a city" Me: Cairo, Egypt. "Why that city?" Me: Because I was just reading a thing about it. "Why not Dublin?" Me: Because Cairo was more immediately on my mind. "Why not Cairo?' Me: ...

[@jaredbangaan2595]

He probably meant, "think of a random city"... and you're missing the point

[@Dragnfly_mynamewastaken]

Woah angry little man! Of course he was pulling a city at random. But with all the cities in the world, he just happened to name the one I thought of. You have trouble standing straight lately or something?

[@Beefyjesus0]

@@Dragnfly_mynamewastaken He didn't even sound that angry but you went on a whole damn tangent...

[@jaredbangaan2595]

@@Beefyjesus0 he probably thinks he is above us because of his 60 likes comment with the way he talks.

[@nephdrummond3168]

You’re all weird, Joel didn’t miss the point, Jared didn’t seem angry, just wrong, and Joel didn’t go on a tangent, they just explained themselves, which wasn’t very superior of them, perfectly normal when being told they’d missed a point they probably hadn’t, and even if they were being superior, it wasn’t likely like related.

[@humblesoldier5474]

When Kyle triggers a Meta event in himself, and his fans by making everyone think about free will.

[@stealingclay]

The Joker has had professional help getting into Arkham. Also he often breaks free or is let loose before the trial. Harley is a great example of how his persona influences others

[@Zachfive]

"Supervillain Lawyer": Lawyer who REPRESENTS Supervillains, or a Lawyer who IS a Supervillain...?

[@rhov-anion]

Yes.

[@evilovesperry]

What lawyer isnt

[@Bigirish-lk4jr]

Good question indeed.

[@DracoMagnius]

Why not both? He defends cilents in court by day and plots the destruction and/or domination of society by night

[@ФедяКрюков-в6ь]

Probably both

[@GasInMyVeins20AE]

Wasn't expecting to delve into Determinism, but here we are.

[@CausticNinja]

Damn video got deep quick

[@TitaniaBird]

Because Philosophy.

[@lovellhorrors1586]

Ya never know what life's gonna throw at you.

[@Shua_Productions]

Kyle: "I AM NOT A SUPERVILLAIN!! I AM NOT" *Video trying to defend a supervillain so they do not face punishment for their crimes* Kyle: "IM NOT"

[@mattdowds8505]

Am I the only one that read this in the voice of Tommy Wiseau?

[@Nick_Slavik]

I didn't read it in his voice until you mentioned it.....then I re-read it in his voice lmao

[@Shua_Productions]

Matt Dowds I didn’t even mean to do that and it makes it SOOOO much better. Thank you.

[@that1nerdyblackgirl736]

"Is free will a illusion" Sigma: *heavy beathing*

[@hoodiewith2os560]

*Humming intensifies*

[@cunnyman]

Is that a motherfucking Overwatch reference?

[@btcool08]

69 likes

[@qinjikofoxx5580]

Hehehe~

[@Death_is_inevitable.]

Despite God being fake, if he did exist free will is an illusion. Anything the Bible says some people blindly believe it without critical thinking.

[@CodingDragon04]

The music stopped, then my heart stopped.

[@jaymarx777]

"Are you as free as you feel?" that question will now haunt me forever.

[@ShadowLynx777]

Nobody: USA: "And I'm proud to be an American Where at least I know I'm free And I won't forget the men who died Who gave that right to me" *F-16's flying in the background while a giant bald eagle carrying an american flag appears*

[@ninjahombrepalito1721]

Look, if you don't have free will, there's nothing you can do about it. So why worry about it? You feel like you have free will, and the world works as if you have free will, so just live life as if you have free will.

[@0ptera]

"When did you choose to be you?" I choose my current persona about 6 years ago. Dealing with live becomes easier when wearing a mask suited to your environment.

[@ThePadwan]

Absolutely spot on.

[@nephdrummond3168]

Current persona, or the actual thoughts you have immediately, the feelings you have on subjects?

[@TheMacmister]

AJ Agler one can always lay down new lines of programming to their personality. Removing old ones is dodgy at best and usually impossible but you can write a work around to avoid old circuits. But they will always be there ready to spring into action, one a smoker always a smoker for instance. So your base program is just what you started with but you get to build the rest from there, only there are no resets are the delete key is broken so it always works out to be an organic mess that often does not know what the heck is different parts are even doing but somehow still works.

[@shardinhand1243]

choice is not mearly thought but action... i chose to click this video, and i chose to write this comment and its contents, of course i did not choose my emotinal state or my views on sentiance however i do chose to follow reason action and consiquence, i dont belive in freewill for humans, just partial freewill, we can ditermine our selves within a limited range, but that does not make that range meaningless as for bears and sharks, they simply are what we are, a combination of their instincts and enviroments mixed with their own sentiance... all to much leaser degress then humans but still the principales which guide a bear are aplicable to humans, did you chose to get angry, no, but did you chose how far to let that anger control you?... well more so then a bear certainly... as for range of thought and degree of control over it, its impossible for limited human minds to have unlimited control over them selves that would imply an imateral are etherial extention of the brain... perhaps a soul... unlikely. we are maliable and versital but only so much the term freewill should be changed to a more realistic spectrum on which we may rank very highly but anything less bound by instinct and enviroment and more intelegant then us, would have greator, but still not complete freewill. Even a strong A.I. covering multipale planets would still have limits to its control over its enviroment, it's self and the depths of its intelegence.

[@shardinhand1243]

try taking the masks off for a little while some time... you may be suprised to see what comes out of your mouth when your head is allowed to run wild without conciance, care, reason, or worry... its not friendly but it is you unfiltured and unrestrained, the closest we as limited humans will ever get to true freewill... and youll only see the chance online free from the opinnions of the friends and family that bind you to humanity... well the social aspect of humanity at least... theres a great rush to be had in cutting loss and unleashing your every thought and impolse without any filter... though to be fair youll not make friends like that so keep that to the places you dont care about... C : its what i do. and im still alive for some reason.

[@matityaloran9157]

8:44, the fact that not everything about us is under our own control doesn’t mean that there aren’t some aspects of ourselves that are under our own control

[@lally168]

Kyle: Are you hungry maybe? Me: nodding my head in agreement as my mouth is stuffed with food

[@theViewer221]

"Men get arrested, dogs get put down." I think of that line every time I think of the Joker.

[@jacobkeary6740]

That's Rorschach though

[@theViewer221]

Jacob Keary I am aware of that. Was making the reference because it fits how I feel about the Joker.

[@jacobkeary6740]

@@theViewer221 gotcha

[@TuckerHagen]

Kyle: Are you as free as you feel? Eren Yeager has entered chat....

[@iskandar7354]

He became a scumbag, all those titans in him are really breaking and remodeling his psyche, maybe it's the first king's persona that took over his body

[@zexks]

Iskandar Ben Mustapha if I remember right. That is basically why everyone was still on the island. Anyone who takes that titan ends up following the same plan whether they want to or not.

[@coryman125]

"Now shift your attention to the thoughts you're having. Where do they go?" .....I'm slightly disappointed in myself, cause I just imagined a semi truck honking loudly

[@kingcalamity4350]

I came here to learn science, ended up having an existential crisis

[@danielsharp2402]

Goes hand in hand especially with space stuff

[@LordofSyn]

Goes hand in hand with science of any kind. Science is humbling in design and still open to creativity and imagination. The more we learn, the more we also learn that there is much more to learn. The goalposts keep moving and nothing is ever set in stone, as it should be. Besides, our species constantly needs a warm slice of humble pie. Constantly.

[@godless1014]

Kyle: We have no free will. Also Kyle: Let's change how we look at criminals.

[@vaszgul736]

You have a point tho. We think about it for five seconds but the second we see a news story about some guy torturing a puppy we're gonna switch back to "someone skin him alive" mode because that's the natural response most people have to those stories (at least judging by comments on said stories)

[@YoshionoKimochi]

No no... its not that we can't make a new decision and change... its that whether or not we will take that step is cooked into our life long cause and effect chain. We will or won't do what we are going to do based on our own life path, leading us to make the choice we are only capable of making in that moment. Change is constant. And or decisions direct that change, we can assess and direct our path but we will only do it because of who we are leading up to that decision. That's why I carry a coin. I like the randomness of the universe to make choices for me sometimes.

[@Okabim]

Yeah this was a pretty interesting argument on why prisons should focus on rehabilitation over punishment. Sure, some criminals will never become functioning members of society and should be kept separate from the rest of us. But that extends to his animal analogy too. We do build infrastructure to prevent wild animals from entering our society.

[@skair9000]

@@YoshionoKimochi Two Face, is that you?

[@YoshionoKimochi]

@@skair9000 *Flips coin* ...No. *Balls up the fist, reaches way back... And asserts myself!*

[@thegodtracker]

I was originally going to make some joke about how "I'm schizoaffective and have fore-brain damage, so when I close my eyes nothing defined pops into my head it's just a bunch of static and the voices of a busy cafe from behind a brick wall" but this video actually went over some things I'd like to talk about a little - no real science (or delusional cross-pollination of science fact and fiction, which I know can happen sometimes when I get excited); in this comment, just a bit about what it's like to be one of the real people who suffer from heavy mental illness. The first thing (you might've noticed already from the first paragraph) is I'm actually completely aware that I can be delusional and even what those delusions are; to explain how I need an example so I'll use the one that's the easiest to put into words, the inability to truly believe that fantasy style Magic is impossible regardless of how versed I am in physics or other physical sciences, to the point it causes anxiety over the lingering paranoia that other people may have the ability to give themselves some form of mindsight, or do other things I know are impossible that might compromise my privacy or safety on a fundamental level. like I mentioned before it can even get in the way of my ability to separate science, science fiction, and straight up fantasy at a base level, causing the real information and the "Hyperjargon" (all the random strings of words and concepts that get thrown together in entertainment media with either no regard for real life, or that are made to specifically fly in the face of reality) to be inseparably mixed together in my memory. I can get around it well as long as I have access to well sourced and trusted research materials (I have gotten treatment and a little training to cope), but that does mean I can't trust ANY of the information in my own head - I even have to mark and schedule when I've eaten sometimes because I can, occasionally, formulate fake memories of eating that can make me go days without food sometimes. You might notice that, after going over the info for this, fixing a delusion seams impossible- and it is. it never goes away, you just find ways to correct your thoughts after they make mistakes. The other big one I want to talk about is choice hyper awareness. because of my fore-brain damage, I lost the ability to have "reflexive desires" (I probably worded that incorrectly, but I'm doing my best) - I can't want something unless I actively debate myself on whether or not I want it. That's not to say "I have more free will!" because it only works that way for desires, not for things like panic responses, fears, aggression, or depressive triggers - but it's more to say that when you lose the ability to have the innate responses of the self, trying to choose instead becomes daunting. It often ends up spiraling to the point that, for a lot of people with this issue, it becomes easier to accept that you just don't want anything - which often shows as Asocial behavior and the inability to understand others, or completely withdrawing. I'm gonna end it here because it feels like I might be starting to rant and generalize, but I still want to say Thanks Kyle, it helps me feel a little more like a person to know that it's not just people who are sick or broken that don't make the choice too be who they are, or the things they want - we just concentrate on it more often than others 'u'

[@bigolbearthejammydodger6527]

fascinating reading. Ive struggled with mental health issues my self and I can very much relate to the concept of false memories you mention. I can recommend learning meditation techniques - what kyle is here is the very basic stuff. look up the Buddhist and Hindu techniques - they have the best knowledge of it.

[@thegodtracker]

@@bigolbearthejammydodger6527 I do use meditation and mindful thinking techniques, and they can be incredibly helpful! Admittedly It's not as useful once even minor hallucinations get involved (there's a lot more to it than just sensory information, there is a mental and thought process shift that comes along with it), but that's why I find it better to have a wide foundation of coping mechanisms, strategies, and plans with friends and/or family about what to do when things get bad or go wrong! Professional help is always best though, and I'm lucky to live somewhere that, even though I don't have the money for a permanent psychologist, I have been able to vist hospital and emergency psyc services for free often enough to get the help I need - just today I got some big steps for that done 'u' Still though, thank you! I alway appreciate advice ^u^

[@AlgaeNymph]

I'm replying here so I can find this comment easier. Here's hoping it gets a lot of upvotes so everyone else can. : )

[@giuseppevgiordano]

Hi, here, have some love ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@garrisonpowell6085]

Personally I would like to read more about your fascinating mind please write more If you're comfortable with that...

[@matityaloran9157]

13:43, it’s not. But even if it were (which it isn’t) it actually wouldn’t affect the judicial system at all because then we would just accept the idea that “if you were predestined to commit a crime then I am predestined to punish you”.

[@dreadangel3752]

"What's the first thing that pops into your head?" My head: Pop Tarts I've never even eaten a pop tart, what the hell

[@richardthompson3871]

It was chicken wings for me

[@gunslinger9171]

Boobs

[@aaronkoning7255]

It was a literal living chicken in a field. I had just finished eating chicken breasts before this video.

[@Angel-ih4wo]

I thought of Pornhub strangely enough..

[@mattthetrucker5585]

Yeah. What the hell. Why have you never eaten a pop tart?

[@DemonicaaD14]

KH: "Why didn't you choose Dublin?" Me: I did tho

[@joshuaclark474]

Me too

[@secludedmisanthrope6388]

As did I, I immediately thought of the state my ex and the majority of her family currently reside in and I think the world would be a better place if Pittsburgh no longer existed.

[@Xbob42]

Ah, but he followed it up with Cairo in case you did choose Dublin! So why didn't you choose Cairo?

[@ErickSoares3]

I choosed São Bernardo do Campo

[@mabogibo525]

Own city in Sims City, anyone? No? Okay.

[@pathfinderGM]

Kyle you bring up gut reaction type thinking. The "now pick a color" or "think of a person" by definition that is a reaction. Just like when a pencil is rolling off the edge of the table you see out the corner of your eye and your body reacts faster than you can actually think "i need to stop that before it falls" many people get surprised in that moment because they feel that whole "wow my body did that on it's own" feeling. We as humans can always improve. And if we think about it we can choose things regularly. We may not know exactly why we choose that exact thing but we do have the choice. If someone walking down the street cut a random large chunk of your hair, you have your initial reaction that you trained and can work on improving throughout your life. You know your strengths and weaknesses and can choose to work on them. Then as you collect yourself you can choose how to take it and how far, when you drop it when do you go to your stylist to retake control, whether or not you choose to post it on social media. Yes there are things in your past that influence it but just as the past influences your current self, your current decisions, goals and tasks forms your future oppurtunities. It isn't safe to promote a "well I didn't have a choice" philosophy. It is much better to promote a "you can always become better and the time to choose to is now" philosophy. I wish you would have brought up how mentalist, advertisers and salesmen all use these reactionary thoughts to their advantage. Maybe then people will be more likely to try to pause themselves and give themselves the choice before going along with another's whim...

[@101Mant]

Even the choice to try and react differently in the future to sometning isn't really a choice. Given who you were at that point, and whatever happened to instigate that decision it was always the only thing you could do. A different scenario might have caused a different reaction, a different person might have reacted differently but that didn't happen. The best description I was given is you don't choose, you excerise judgment. Some things are reactive, but if faced with a decision and time to think it's your knowledge, values, experience and beliefs that drive the descion combined with whatever the situation is (as you understand it). Since those things are what they are at that point there isn't an actual choice, your mind may go through a process of weighing things up but it can only come to one conclusion. It's a bit of a scary idea but if you really think about it the alternative would be some random factor. It wouldn't actually give you choice or free will, just sometimes you would choose things for no reason. I don't see that as better.

[@coopahtroopah1175]

Good to know I’m not the only person here who wasn’t a fan of his determinism

[@jucom756]

I think we have a supernerd nomination on our hands here, ladies and gentlemen

[@Ghostly_Chris]

I just want to say thank you. My brother is currently in jail right now, and has been in and out of the system for a while. My entire family has struggled with mental illness our entire lives. And I deeply appreciate you guys helping people to put themselves in the shoes of those in such a terrible situation with no reasonable way out.

[@pressftopayrespects6325]

I’m very sorry to hear about your story. I hope your brother is currently well.

[@Ghostly_Chris]

@@pressftopayrespects6325 Thank you 💛 He was finally able to get himself free of the system recently thanks to a PO who understood how things go.

[@pressftopayrespects6325]

@@Ghostly_Chris Really glad to hear!

[@8thsheet407]

Don't have children if possible. Don't pass your genes. Or if ur "fine" then adopt

[@thetimecapsule1680]

8:36 well that just got very existential, and now I’m uncomfortable.

[@someonelikeyou6138]

The Time Capsule ah i don't want to live anymore 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@Jirodyne]

@@someonelikeyou6138 Suck it up, you don't got a choice.

[@fendelphi]

Good. Now act on that feeling.

[@4G64SicKShoT]

"It takes one bad day to turn the sanest man alive to lunacy."

[@becausescience]

That can't be true -- kH

[@4G64SicKShoT]

@@becausescience That's how far the world is from where I am. One. Bad. Day.

[@Aosgood94]

That was actually proven false in the same comic it was mentioned it with Gordon. After every evil thing Joker did to him, he was still a good man. It doesn't take one bad day to drive a man insane. It takes a lack of will to just give up. I've had plenty of bad days, each a chance for me to just lose my mind, but I didn't. I'm I jaded, cynical, self loathing? Yes. But I was never driven mad. I never gave up. Close friends of mine never gave up. To turn to evil, or "insanity" as the joker likes to call it, shows he wasn't strong enough to keep going. "We both stared into the adyss. But when it looked back at you, you blinked." That's a much more fitting quote.

[@4G64SicKShoT]

@@Aosgood94 "You Killed the Joke"

[@seamus6625]

Dang...LegalEagle has really let himself go. Can't believe he gave up on hair cuts and sold all his Indochino suits.

[@HyperionaSilverleaf]

*fist bumps*

[@RabblesTheBinx]

I was disappointed that Stone wasn't asked to collab on this.

[@kambolechituwo7216]

"Because Social Science..." (with a touch of biological deterministic philosophy)

[@Siberius-]

And just straight up philosophy as far as Libertarian Free Will being logically impossible. The rules of logic do not allow for it.

[@GroovyLemming]

"Could you ever have chosen otherwise?" So, philosophers who study this sort of question understand that the word 'could' here is what we call a modal operator: it conveys some idea about what is possible or necessary. To actually analyze a modal operator, we need to know its domain, because there are different sorts of possibility and necessity. For instance, something may be *logically* possible but not *physically* possible. (Example: there is no logical contradiction in something being Water but not H2O. However, it may be a physical or metaphysical impossibility given the fact that in the actual world, water is H20. This is a classic way to make this distinction, as names may exist as terms in a logical statement, but the relationship between those names may require further knowledge of the actual composition of the world.) So to answer, "Could you ever have chosen otherwise?" we need to know the domain of the modal operator: what sort of possibility are we talking about? Kyle seems to rely on something like physical or maybe some more nuanced sort of possibility like biological or biochemical possibility here. (Yes, the domains can get that specific) Something like, "Given your brain chemistry and the state you were in, could you have chosen differently?" And, short of a belief in something magical like a causally efficacious immaterial soul or contracausal free will, the answer is pretty clearly "No." But it's worth noting that this is a different sort of possibility than is typically used in legal or moral reasoning. There, the standard is something more like logical possibility or possibly even a sui generis legal possibility. (Note: not an attorney, do not take this as legal advice) A person *can* be let off the hook for a crime if it was "impossible" for them to not commit it, or if the consequences for not committing it were bad enough (which is defined more technically but varies from place to place) but this isn't a sort of physical possibility. The physical question can be reframed as, "Given the physical state of the world, could another event have taken place?" Quantum probability aside (as it does not often factor significantly into macro-scale interactions like criminal acts) this isn't the question that is asked in a legal evaluation. Rather, the possibility question here is better reframed as something like, "Could a reasonable person have acted differently in the same scenario?" So it is not a matter so much of physical states as some standard of reasonableness. For instance: say some criminal super-genius, we'll call him Evil Kyle for the sake of simplicity, threatens to kill your family if you don't steal $1 million from your local bank for him. If you commit the crime, you might still be let off the hook when it goes to trial: no one expects you to let your family be murdered and if a reasonable person in your circumstance would have done the same, you may be let go. (Although Evil Kyle would still be liable for your crime in this scenario) If, however, you shot and killed someone in committing the crime you might *still* be legally liable for the shooting as Evil Kyle did not coerce you to violence, only to robbery. So it seems like Kyle is asking the wrong question, because he is using the wrong modality to answer it. At least from the perspective of the law and legal scholars.

[@Lucky10279]

Kyle better mention your comment in footnotes. If he doesn't, it proves he's a supervillain for ignoring such an awesome comment!

[@bloodypommelstudios7144]

I'm not convinced that quantum effects don't regularly affect decision making. A quantum interaction might be the difference between a neuron firing or not which could be the tipping point between choosing one course of action over another. This would be an interesting thing to test using neural networks. That being said it's irrelevant to the topic of free will, a choice being determined by a dice throw is no freer than one which is pre-determined. When it comes to morality I agree we should be looking at it from a different framework than the determinism debate though, there clearly are qualitative differences between us and most animals or modern computers, traits which allow us to be moral agents capable of putting ourselves in the shoes of others, consider consequences, learn from experiences etc and since "free will" is so often linked to questions of morality it makes sense to use these factors in the definition IMO.

[@phillip2169]

Sui generis: Law - when a special and unique interpretation of a case or authority is necessary Intellectual property rights, where there is no defining characteristic Philosophy - to indicate an idea, an entity, or a reality that cannot be reduced to a lower concept or included in a higher concept

[@phillip2169]

The M'Naghten rule isn't about whether it was physical or free will or mental illness but rather the ability to recognize what one was doing or the morality/wrongfullness of the act. Thus a person who in the "throes of a psychotic breakdown" murders someone is unable to have "insight" into their actions. i.e. That a stabbing could harm someone or that it is wrong to stab. It doesn't matter if they could have made a different choice. In arguing insanity you must say that you committed the act and could not have acted in a reasonable manner. Being coerced, or rather, duress, isn't really analogous. As it seeks to prove that the "reasonable person in the defendant’s position also would have committed the crime." Think more along the lines of self defense. One is more based on the reasonable actions one could have taken (ie called the cops while driving to bank) versus what other reasonable people would have done. The other acquits the person of the act because they were unable to _behave and/or think_ reasonably, regardless if it was physical or psychological (such as a temporary rage before you regained your mental balance). The gay panic or the trans defense are examples where sane people with no mental health issues, other than bigotry, use temporary insanity. Oh and being excused and acquitted means freedom vs potentially being locked up until you die. Fun fact 30 Minutes or Less is based on a 'true' story of someone being forced to commit a robbery. Except in reality he was a part of it. globalnews.ca/news/5067861/rohinie-bisesar-path-stabbing-review/ www.justia.com/criminal/defenses/duress/

[@ADAJ342]

Interesting

[@TheWretchedOwl]

“When did you choose to be you” also brings up the question of who is the “you” choosing who “you” should be. There has to be a “you” to make the decision for the concept of decision to exist, but how can there be a “you” to make the decision if there must first be a “you” to make the decision but that “you” can’t exist before the decision is made.

[@mattiassjodin8838]

You start to exist when you are born, and that isn't your decision

[@the83rdtrombonist60]

There is a single catch: when the Joker's personality is suppressed in the comics, in main line continuity, it is shown that he is remorseful for the actions that he has committed while being the Joker. HOWEVER, the current definitions do not allow for Joker to be criminally insane. If a form of multiple personality disorder can be considered as part of the case for criminal insanity, then yes.

[@IanKulinka]

well, he was institutionalized in the arkham asylum. So... yes, he was legally insane

[@jakebrown7183]

I chose to be me when I tried to cross the border and ran right into that imperial ambush

[@YaBoiMcLovin]

"You're finally awake!"

[@bigolbearthejammydodger6527]

@@YaBoiMcLovin ARCHERS!

[@kiophoenix]

Same as me, and that Thief over there

[@unlimitedbitsgaming]

Funny. When I was a boy, Imperial walls and towers used to make me feel so safe.

[@YaBoiMcLovin]

You guys win

[@SangoProductions213]

"When was the last time you chose to be you?" About 6 months ago, actually. I just floated along through life, doing whatever I happened to come across. I decided to take the reigns in my life. But regardless, the point of the prison system is not to settle questions of free will - it's to try and prevent crimes by fulfilling 4 methods. 1. Deterrence: "Oh, prison isn't fun, maybe robbing the bank isn't a good idea." 2. Separation: A criminal can't hurt people that they can't reach. 3. Retribution: This actually protects the criminal by making sure that the wronged parties feel that justice had been served, and so there won't be a lynching going on. 4. Rehabilitation: To reshape and reform the criminal in to a functioning member of society. Which is why simply having a mental disease is not enough to make you legally insane. However, if you can't tell right from wrong - if you can't tell that what you were doing was not acceptable, then the prison isn't helping. It's not deterrence, and it won't rehabilitate someone who is so drastically out of the mold. And thus why they need specialized help in an attempt at rehabilitation (which, while perhaps vein, has a better chance than a generalized prison) , while still separating this dangerous person from society. And then there are victim-less crimes like drug use... Sigh. At absolute worst, it should be punished by detention in a specialized facility meant to help the users get clean, just like the criminally insane. But those "crimes" frustrate me. Even more so that they are sent to prison, which doesn't help! (At least by the general model. Some prisons actually have wards dedicated to helping prisoners get clean, but then are still sometimes serving multiple years in prison, which is probably longer than needed to overcome an addiction.)

[@SangoProductions213]

As for the brain tumor thing, it's simple: The problem was solved by surgery, and probably wasn't solvable by the prison system. Viola, he's a productive member of society again, problem solved. That does have more disturbing implications, such as when we are partially/completely cybernetic, and our memories (which lead to our action) themselves can be surgically removed with just a surge of electricity. But let's leave that for when the time comes.

[@lucankeyser2111]

SangoProductions213 sometimes, prisons fail to rehabilitate (for society) the people who are leaving them, and these people who have essentially lost years from their lives and haven’t accumulated knowledge and experiences from those years can’t get a job that will support them. Sometimes the past prisoner will commit a crime to go back to a place where they are fed, the same prison that didn’t help them in the first place.

[@SangoProductions213]

@@lucankeyser2111 I'm talking about the principle about why prisons are used, not about their specific implementations in any given place. That said, prison laborers have a significantly lower recidivism rate than those who don't work and earn skills...despite Democrat claims that it's exploitation or whatever. If that were true, you'd expect to see great recidivism rates in the hardest workers so that they can be put back to work.

[@LiberTea90]

Kyle: "When did you choose to be you?" Me: "When I rolled a 14 for INT and had to take a 5 in CHA"

[@sixela6]

I rolled a 16 in INT and put my 3 in strength

[@hariodinio]

I rolled a 3 in int and 3 in strength

[@sixela6]

@@hariodinio where did the good stats go? I have a 12 dex, 10 wis, my cha can be anywhere between 3 and 18 depending on the day (i know it weird), and my constitution is a solid 13

[@sixela6]

@Greig91 Im talking my real life stats

[@manamongmen3381]

The highest I ever rolled for charisma was a 5. I'm never sexy in these things.

[@joeschmo7983]

He is “illegally” insane.

[@Painfully_Punny]

Kyle: When did you decide to be you? Me: A man chooses, a comic book character obeys. Now would you kindly not read this comment in Andrew Ryans voice.

[@kylelee9019]

Welcome to the Circus of Value!!

[@Sewblon]

You and I both know that everyone who has played Bioshock has no choice but to read that line in Andrew Ryans voice. Everything about it is written to activate those specific neural pathways.

[@Sewblon]

@Greig91 Don't hate your brain for that. Associating words with people and characters who have said them just means that your memory is working.

[@immortaldragon5570]

I imagined it in Morgan Freeman’s voice

[@Zeddikuss]

Impossible

[@biohazard724]

I'd love to see Legal Eagle tackle this since he's, y'know, a lawyer

[@ajd2393]

I feel like it would come to the same conclusion that joker would not be found criminally insane, but it would be gone in legal eagle's style.

[@biohazard724]

@@ajd2393 oh yeah of course but he'd be able to go more in depth

[@ajd2393]

@@biohazard724 true...very true.

[@becausescience]

On Twitter he said he liked the video, but I could have done a better job defending my client -- kH

[@biohazard724]

@@becausescience 😂

[@coldrunhershel604]

Kyle: "What are your thoughts? " My brain: *blank* I think I'm not okay

[@evan08rhys09]

Have you tried turning yourself off then on again?

[@thatdamncatboy7963]

**Wii music plays**

[@Magictrickslol]

"because philosophy."

[@Siberius-]

There's a gooooooood bit of neuroscience. But yea it starts with philosophy and that's also where the fatal bullet is delivered. Since Libertarian Free Will is logically impossible (as in, the rules of logic).

[@SpicyChedderJack]

Joker muttering under his breath that he's guilty, like Goofy, in the distance.

[@uhtredofbebbanburg5748]

I'm Mickey's best lawyer

[@mastermindcow6210]

The demons told me to.

[@EBFilmsMan]

OBJECTION! LegalEagle needs to cross-examine this case.

[@AroAceGamer]

Man of culture, I see

[@masteradvance]

I just search in the comments for this!

[@matthewwhite2155]

Sustained! I like both shows, but I actually clicked on this thinking it was going to be a LegalEagle video based on the new movie, lol.

[@Steelmage99]

Sustained!

[@gir1456]

Kyle: Close your eyes and become aware of the thoughts you're thinking. Me: ok. My mind: you know what's fun to think of? Raven from teen titans. Me: can we not? Kyle: Think of a city. Me: alright. Kyle: why that city? Me: it's where i live. Kyle: why not Dublin? Me: i have no investment there. Kyle: why not Cario? Me: my grandpa is already dead, there's no vampires there to my knowledge and i don't have awesome punchy ghost powers. My mind: But you're still thinking about Raven. Me: I've failed you Kyle.

[@ΒίκτωρΚιρόσκα]

Jotaro, is that you?

[@ligerstripe99]

You can still strut menacingly.

[@matityaloran9157]

11:36, it depends what you mean by that. Since there are some things over which we have no control (for instance we are all destined to die) but there are things over which we actually have control

[@thebaccathatchews]

This would have been a perfect crossover with Legal Eagle.

[@matthewwatson5029]

I know right.

[@DeadMarine1980]

I was just going to type that!

[@flyingfree333]

Studies have shown our brains retroactively write in memories of our choosing a course of action after we unconsciously performed them, for example it's been shown it's not possible to consciously choose to hit a fastball in baseball, our reaction times aren't fast enough, but batters will invent the memory of their choosing to swing and insert that memory before the memory of swinging the bat. It is theorized we do this to preserve our egos, as the knowledge that we aren't actually in control of our actions would be debilitating.

[@harrisonjohnson9792]

Man, I did not sign up for an existential crisis today, but thanks. Also, this is really neat

[@z-beeblebrox]

Even actions that don't require fast reflexes happen before we decide. There have been studies using EKG and a button pressing exercise that shows our brain "decides" what button we're going to push before we consciously pick one. I would argue that this has nothing to do with ego, and is just a blind rationalization for lack of any conscious evidence to the contrary. Literally, we don't know we don't know.

[@shaggy0917]

"When did you choose to have those thought ... are you choosing *any* of this?" I say yes. Like how Descartes said the only thing I know is that *I am*, the only choice I'm making is *to be*. There is no other choice. I can be, or not be. What I have control of is whether or not I am experiencing. Nothing else.

[@agenteldritch6971]

Matt Lapierre that speaks to me

[@DeeFeeCee]

I choose to be y instead of x. I would be x, but I intentionally prevented myself from being that. So, I can do more than just "be".

[@hessanscounty3592]

@@DeeFeeCee but the thought experiment would then prompt you to ask why you choose to be y instead of x. Is it because you are following expectations? Is it because you are acting contrary to expectations because society tells you that being different is positive? Is it because that is what someone who comes from your background is expected to be? Is it because your parents wanted you to do that or because that is who your mentor was? Did you choose y instead of x because x was too hard to achieve because of your socioeconomic background or biology?I will not go so far as to say we have no real choices, but they are much more limited than may appear

[@DeeFeeCee]

Hessan's County Your reasoning makes sense, but my point was that, rather than just be, I intentionally try to be otherwise. I can see myself going one way if I "go with the flow", but I then break those expectations & change. I like to be… "unexpected"-what no one from any perspective expects me to be. I don't see any outside influence promoting this lifestyle, yet I live it.

[@shaggy0917]

@@DeeFeeCee A less esoteric restatement of my point is that no choice is real choices, except the choice to continue living. You choose to resist the flow because of your past reality; your resisting the flow (anyone's anything, to be clear. This is just your personal example) is founded upon that past reality or what has happened TO you (that is, what you've been conditioned to believe about yourself and the world at large has come about through no agency of your own. Dictated but not read: that is, the World[, Universe, God, Happenstance, whatever] tells you what is [because it Is what is], and you become that. Your reality is your reading of the dictation of the universe.)

[@avazquez01]

"Would you punish a shark? Would you punish a bear?" Yes. Some animals that prove to be extraordinarily violent and a threat to their environment often get hunted or put down.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Indeed

[@Savagesaiyan2318]

Joker would say he’s completely sane in his point of view

[@DownHavenEnt]

And then disagree 3 hours later

[@KINGKROSBYSKINGDOM]

Joker is chaotic crazy

[@jorgejuanazpeitiadelpozo533]

"a certain point of view?"

[@leonarddement4058]

He the sanest man he knows. Words from the most insane man in dc comics

[@lovellhorrors1586]

Yeah, he once told Robin "I'm not mad at all. I'm just differently sane."

[@Niac022]

"A simple super villain lawyer" so do you mean a Super Villain that is also a lawyer? Or a lawyer for Super Villains? Cause...it could go either way with you.

[@lucifers.morningstar3805]

He is....... both.

[@valerijzisman5046]

Hi Kyle, love the show! Especially happy to see philosophy getting some love from the science folks (I'm a philosophy PhD student myself, working on the ethics of punishment). A thought on your great discussion of moral responsibility: In the philosophical debate, it's not obvious that the principle of alternate possibilities (PAP) holds. Meaning: Even if you couldn't have acted otherwise (or thought otherwise), you might still be morally responsible for your actions. The philosopher Harry Frankfurt famously tried to refuse the PAP will the help of thought experiments that were supposed to be counter examples to it. But even recent empirical research points in that direction: laypeople seem to still ascribe moral responsibility even in cases where all the actions could have been predicted by a super computer. But people are less confident in ascribing responsibility in cases of manipulation. Imaging that an evil scientist (let's call him Kyle) programmed someone in such a way that this person would murder someone at a certain date - in this case, responsibility tends to not be ascribed. Thus, laypeople appear to be intuitive compatibilists, meaning that they take determinism and free will to be compatible. This doesn't show that free will actually exists, but it might change the perspective on the debate concerning moral responsibility. Keep up the great work!

[@timn.5036]

That sounds quit interesting! I want to hear more about it, can you point me to the research?

[@valerijzisman5046]

@@timn.5036 Sure! The empirical research is by Eddy Nahmias and colleagues: "It's OK if 'my brain made me do it'" published 2014 in Cognition. You can find the relevant work of Harry Frankfurt in his book 'The Importance of What we Care About'

[@timn.5036]

@@valerijzisman5046 Thanks for the information!

[@justjames4]

(8:15) I'm very happy to see that someone else knows that in a cosmic perspective there is no such thing as free will. By the way, the reason the legal systems you're thinking of make sense is because they view "choice" in a mortal perspective.

[@BryanManhollan]

Can you start a "Lets get real" segment. This was a spectacular episode!

[@MrPandiux87]

“Would you punish a shark or a bear?” Well, the Cincinnati Zoo cold blooded killed an inocente gorilla who was actually protecting (more than the real mother protected) a kid that fell into his enclosure

[@sharkwhisperer9493]

Jaime Castelltort HARAMBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[@petrichorsbaby]

Did you not see that kid get fkin DRAGGED?

[@swinglow6580]

@@petrichorsbaby you trying being that freaking jacked and not almost throw a small child through time itself.

[@naufalilhamhw]

"We live in society" - Harambe

[@swinglow6580]

@King Peppy "it was rigged from the start"

[@kapowpenguinpenguin9352]

How does a judge laugh Law-L Ok I tried

[@thegrandmaguss84]

Here is my like, and the door is right there

[@evol-yu4mu]

It's bad. Really bad. I laughed

[@Bradyboy26]

Boooo

[@jacobhinton6178]

Whats a Judge's favorite part of a party? The h-Order-ves

[@matityaloran9157]

13:02, and if we rejected that idea then we’d have no choice but to accept that however our judicial system is run it’s unfair to criticize it because the people in charge of it are simply predestined to run it that way.