Is the MCU Dead After SECRET INVASION?

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[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Killing off Iron Man was a bad Endgame.

[@matthew-jy5jp]

Get over yourself importance of this channel already will you ? The mcu will survive long after this channel is long gone.

[@boiledpnutz]

I just can’t believe people approved these scripts and shows

[@defresh3339]

Fyi, just heard Ryan on Preston and Steve, again. Love that Ryan chats with them from time to time! Guessing Ryan is from the Philly area? If so, more bonus points for him! I think I like this channel more than New Rockstars now... I mean, I love Erik Voss too, he's cool, but that channel sort of seemed to have sold out a bit. I'll still watch Voss, but, I think I like Ryan more now!! 💯

[@RandomNPC001]

Quantity over quality, hubris over what made the characters and stories great to begin with and virtue signaling will kill any empire!

[@S3P8472]

Werewolf by Night special is an excellent example of what D+ should continue trying

[@khonshugodofthenightsky2159]

And Moon Knight

[@lead6186]

​@@khonshugodofthenightsky2159moonknight isnt that good.

[@Lustratic85]

@@lead6186 Have there been any enjoyable D+ marvel shows? Edit: I forgot about Loki I enjoyed that one.

[@toshtao1]

@@Lustratic85 WandaVision and Loki. Mr. Short Term Memory.

[@CharlesSpadina3030]

Werewolf by Night gets so overlooked and it was awesome imo

[@Aurelyn]

I agree, there's no superhero fatigue, just mid fatigue. If we get more like Guardian3 or Peacemaker we'll all be holding hands singing the disney praises.

[@Watch-0w1]

Disney? But peacemaker is dc.. Praise gunn

[@Purrrple]

Peacemaker isn't Disney or Marvel, keep up.

[@ctkook6477]

In Gunn we trust 🙏

[@ctkook6477]

I totally agree.! Superhero fatigue is a total cop out! I’d love to get a D+ show every month if the writing wasn’t so lame and boring. Cut back on the CGI and bring in some awesome cinematographers like they had on the daredevil show

[@TheKendeHD]

@@Purrrpleobviously he probably knows that

[@Molluskcentral]

Get great writers, get great actors, and give us great films. It's no longer an "if you make it they will watch" genre.

[@kraigpearlman3283]

I think I would be considered a die hard MCU fan, but that Secret Invasion Finale is the first time I actually thought to myself that the MCU is dead... so yeah I think we're there.

[@mopnem]

If you excused Quantimania & secret invasion is what did it for you then….they’ll get you back, no prob

[@kraigpearlman3283]

oh what, you didnt see she-hulk? you didnt watch ms marvel? you didnt watch Dr strange 2 or Thor 4? This is far from the first loss, and I don't need your permission to watch, thanks!@@dylan15243

[@pbb]

how did you survive she-hulk?

[@BrandonWhatTheF]

​@@pbbThe Falcon and the Winter Soldier did it for me. Most tone-deaf ending speech I've ever seen in any fictional property.

[@ca_quixote]

Truly love the camaraderie between all my favorite channels. Even if there aren't collabs or anything, I truly appreciate that this space does not come across with any toxicity. The nods to each other from time to time make me appreciate them individually so much more.

[@aleph1128]

💔 if they didn’t rush projects to fulfill their own roster of shows in competition of other streaming platforms, we’d have lesser shows but greater ones

[@nioxic77]

fewer *

[@alexcastillo8507]

How is that same strategy working out for apple?

[@The_Infamous_Boogyman]

I agree, but, with respect, you may want to edit that to say we get "less" , bc your point is already that we are getting "lesser" which means worse, not less than we are getting. Other than that, I do agree. But I'll take any MCU I can get honestly.

[@amberbanuelos7053]

@@alexcastillo8507not so badly. Ted Lasso, Shrinking, Severance, The Morning Show, and plenty of other really great shows along with a lot of good movies as well.

[@sarcophage]

@@alexcastillo8507huh? AppleTV has had a surprisingly large number of great shows

[@TrafalgarD_Bob]

And let’s be honest you guys are a huge part of this because your theories raise expectations that are never met

[@Sergiblacklist]

I've said the same before, people know too much about the universe now so they can predict where it's going and how it's going to do that. When it doesn't do what's expected or misses people over hate on it.

[@morpork-jj2wi]

​@@Sergiblacklist...and when they hit the expectations it's too obvious. You can't win today, everyone's a critic nowadays.

[@Sergiblacklist]

@@morpork-jj2wi we just have to switch off and enjoy sometimes just like we did with top gun maverick

[@luciusoglesby2469]

A HUGE part of it lolol I HAVE NEVER EVER heard any of the leading “geek/theory/insider/fan” streamer admit to their part of this shit In fact, ALOT of the very obscure and mediocre content based around side kicks and tertiary characters comes from the studios LISTENING to y’all clamor for these “weird” stories lolol

[@Iletyoulive]

​@@morpork-jj2wiexactly you can't win with these people, they'll always complain about something even if it's good,those type of videos get views

[@amadoguzman7328]

I feel like the Russo Brothers were better at making crossovers. I don’t really understand why they haven’t had any real crossovers either in the shows or movies with Sam as Captain America or as you mentioned Shang Chi. It was cool to see Wong in a bunch of projects but I want more. It doesn’t have to be endgame level but I want to see at least winter soldier level.

[@alexism9656]

It's about to start already. We're in the middle of the saga still. The Marvels is going to be the first movie to cross over with a newcomer from D+

[@toshtao1]

@@alexism9656 .

[@BlackShogun]

I’m still mad at the Russos for bungling Hulk.

[@proto245]

@@alexism9656 It should've been in a avengers film, but whatever.

[@alexism9656]

@@proto245 I think it's better if an Avengers film had all the newcomers cross over

[@ctakitimu]

For me it's always about the story first, no matter which studio makes the film. Followed by immersion into that world's rule set. Then the bonus comes if there's a well known character in that movie. I'll enjoy a movie/tv show if it has the first element, then any of the following two. Otherwise I feel let down.

[@gmab8403]

Puss in boots 2 being the perfect example

[@tristenrodrigue1814]

If the big superhero brands want to make GREAT movies again, use Joker as the example, a STANDALONE movie that focuses on the main character and doesn’t try to force cameos or setup other projects. If you want to avoid making bad movies, then look at Ant-Man 3 or Black Adam, 2 movies that focus way too much on trying to set up future projects and don’t care about making their own movie unique and interesting.

[@skeppy8925]

The MCU managed to balance both solo movies with cameos in a great way, but that ended once the Endgame credits rolled.

[@Wishmaster787]

Gotg 3 did a good job of that. It was just about the Guardians and didn't juggle 5 plots at once and didn't feature cameos from half the mcu.

[@GJBedrin]

Even joker had that awkward forced Bruce Wayne cameo

[@billstrohler]

Great take! The fact that it is talked about so much shows it's not dead. I personally enjoy the new content and on top of that I have had family members tell me that they appreciate the new shows after your videos on them. :) Plus anyone that talks through their dog is ok in my book.

[@Mjam7us]

definitely not dead.. not everyone's going to love every project, just like not everyone loves every comic/comic event the same way.

[@CoyoteLovelyLV]

Thank you for your ability to look critically at a story that may not have been told well without ever being a dick about it. I appreciate being able to like something that may not have been the best while still being able to shine a light on why it might not have worked well, and this channel is always super good at that.

[@blaze556922]

I think he's too negative personally. He invites people on to hate on shows instead of praise them.

[@mightybk]

No, some of his negativity regarding this show hasn't been very well-thought out. In other videos, he's gone on diatribes about the hospital scenes. He expected the President of a major country to be taken to a busy hospital where regular citizens would be taken. He also mistakenly claimed that a patient with internal injuries shouldn't be moved in his bed (which he mistakenly called a gurney, which is different from a hospital bed) but rather in a wheelchair, even though moving him in a hospital bed is the EXACT thing that would be done.

[@jamangel]

​@@blaze556922lmfao

[@MarvinMartinez2001]

Marvel is far from dead! They’ve barley scratch the surface of the wider marvel universe with X-Men and Fantastic Four, though they definitely need to give more quality to their work creative freedom with their directors and staff, push out the saga, maybe more special presentations 50 minute stories that focus on main characters and the setting that have no filler and get right to the point!

[@ZenithAngel]

Disney MCU doesn’t take TV shows seriously . They treat it like 5 hour movie rather than a TV show

[@Godsmusikluvr]

I think John Boyega would be great playing as Kang to replace Jonathan Majors if things don't work out in his favor.

[@DeadmanInc336]

There were rumors last year around D23 Expo time last year that John Boyega was in talks to play a younger Kang variant and Denzel Washington an older Kang variant.

[@aaronfaganstarr3942]

I agree he'd be good in the role. I loved Majors' performances so far, but I'd be excited to see John Boyega in the role.

[@ScofieldStudios]

Majors is confirmed to be staying, and he sounds innocent from what I heard.

[@SvElAdKe]

Yes

[@leagleye]

I thought that Jonathan Major's trial hadn't even started, but he says he's convicted? What about innocent until proven guilty?

[@Donsconsin]

This was a fantastic video definitely worth a thumbs up. I was not introduced to Star Wars as a child, and never really "got it" and I would just explain to people that I had no connection. This video helps me to expand on those thoughts and rationalize them in a way that I just haven't given it the thought to do so. Coltons interjections actually made me laugh out loud. I love that bit.

[@andrewmcleod9993]

I think one of their major problems is the lead in times. There will be movies and shows that are so far along that they won't be able to adapt to the lessons of their recent output. So for at least a year, and possibly more because of the strikes, we are going to get more shows and movies that are going to be bad. And if that's the case, there will be more people turning off, and they will be harder to win back

[@somerandomdude8399]

I think their best bet/plan would be to finish struggling through the Multiverse Saga and then (almost) completely reboot the MCU starting in Phase 7. Secret Wars sets up a new universe that has all the characters from the start. If they take their time to tell the stories that *need* the time, make the stories and characters engaging and entertaining with decent writing, and not only plan things out and be able to adapt but also communicate more between projects so that they can avoid mistakes and "weird" choices, they *could* be okay.

[@jofferybezos292]

Yea it's not that it's over hyped and spoiled by content creators.

[@jaredward6854]

Honestly Ryan & Team: this might be one of your best videos you've done. Brilliant summation and ability to look at both sides. I honestly got emotional listening to the "why" we love these properties so much.

[@DHClapp]

When he got to act III, I started feeling like this might be one of the best video essays ever made.

[@davida12345]

Get a room lolol

[@davida12345]

​@@DHClappyou need to watch more content

[@drewbooo]

Seriously, I watch a lot of video essays and this is up there. Thanks Ryan and team!

[@davida12345]

@@drewbooo wow, now that a no one like you said it, on behalf of the internet, thank you. Thank you for telling us how you, a complete stranger feels. Incredible

[@Retrotoyguysi]

Yep, you just crushed it! Awesome sum up of, not just Marvel, but all modern day franchises, this is why I love your channel, fair, unbiased, non click bait reviews and discussion. I truly believe you are one of the most important channels on KZbin, keep up the great work! (No pressure 😅)

[@colbyrosssmith]

May be your best video yet! Well done.

[@iLLiCiT_XL]

I think the part of the challenge here is that the wheels were already spinning in the wrong direction at such a break neck speed, they haven’t had the chance to actually redirect. So we’re witnessing a car crash in action. But there is another side to this.

Incredibly well thought-out, interesting and profound video, felt more like an essay. I agree with your points, lately I have thought that we would come to this eventually. Similar to the comics, where there is an audience for each title, not everybody reads everything that goes into print each week. I for one, am a super X-Men fan and so I only read the X-related books, simply because I AM NOT INTERESTED in the other Marvel titles. And then, from time to time, I would read one of the crossovers or maybe a critically acclaimed title that becomes a classic. Something like this is bound to happen with the MCU. I mean, it is obvious not everyone is gonna like everything MCU related (even though the suits would love for that to happen, and in their attempt, the movies become more formulaic and basically the same, which gets boring).

[@dadaaxel3189]

I see Phase 4 as Phase 1 on a bigger scale. Marvel is introducing these new characters and worlds, using them as seeds for future stories. It just requires PATIENCE

[@vineetdesai6396]

The problem is that Phase 1 atleast didn't feel cheaply made, have logic and plot holes and had great character development(even In their mid movies) and great quality. Unlike now where most Projects feel Soulless and cheap and shittly written.

[@Iletyoulive]

​@@RogueSquadron80phase 4 made more money than phase 1 and 2 soo people actually care

[@Greek_Loki]

​​@@Iletyouliveyou compare a newly made Universe with mainly unknown to the big public characters,with the biggest already established movie universe of all time that the current state of MCU is.Phase 1 was attracting more and more people, while phase 4 push away more and more people. Right now they may have more viewers than phase 1,but in this rhythm they'll soon have less maybe. Also, Phase 4 has much more projects running than the 5-6 films that Phase 1 had. You compare 6 projects with 15 projects. Obviously the 15 projects will make more money.

[@williamflowers9435]

It also requires decent writers.

[@artieanzaldua9163]

Somebody queue the "MCU is so over; MCU is so back" meme.

[@irishaarbear]

When fans say ______ is dead, they're not saying its not viable as a commercial product, but that it no longer has the heart that it once did. Franchises will never fail to make a profit in the world simply due to peoples nostalgia and hope that they COULD be good again. I agree with you Ryan but also disagree in this way, Disney and other companies having a monopoly on all these franchises is what kills them, they are just fine having a show/movie be bad as long as it makes a profit.

[@violantederojas6188]

Actually, I rather liked Moon Knight. And while it was a bit dragged out - only finding out who was doing the actual bloody killings at the end - I rather enjoyed how it made the Gods involvement, from hearing and seeing Taweret (that is NOT the voice I ever imagined her having!) rather than it all being given it that was Steven/Marc's imagination. Or a form of his psychoses.

[@daviddonachie5333]

I liked it way more than Falcon and Winter Soldier, which was the series I was expecting to love.

[@mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317]

Not to mention,an Oscar worthy performance (no pun intended)by Oscar Isaac himself that manages to give the series more mature tone.

[@skoonimadooner464]

Yeah moon knight was good

[@bennett4789]

moon knight was not good. not only did it fundamentally change moon knight to the point that hes basically an original character, but it had some of the biggest plot holes in the entire mcu, and it really showed its lack of budget at several points. compare it to something with a similar premise but better execution (like legion on fx) and it totally falls apart

[@nathangasti399]

Werewolf by Night, Moonknight, and Loki are proof Disney+ can be done well

[@yuhbtw]

Exclude moonknight

[@Hellaframes]

Loki sucked

[@jimtoujo3996]

​@@Hellaframesmy opinion is it was the best marvel show

[@Hellaframes]

@@jimtoujo3996 you’re allowed to feel that way and I respect it

[@thecaptaindeadpool5098]

Moon knight was ass cheeks. Skipped the final fight scene and whole climax. Didn’t make sense in the final episode. It felt as if it was hold back.

[@AirForcePararescuer]

I also think it's the way they won't admit they made something that wasn't well reviewed or received by fans. Always some director or producer saying somehow it's the fans fault for high expectations, or we just didn't understand the story line. I understand expectations are hard to live up to, but all the rag magazine news sites that make fake wild accusations to drum up attention to them. It hurts it as a whole.

[@davidletarte214]

very good video ryan, you are really honing your informative & compelling style with this kind of video, please keep it up! anyway, i love your jokes too your humor is something that sets you apart on here so maybe add a bit more of that etc into these videos (maybe work them into the information too), i know you could do it well and your videos would be unmatched. They're already unique & i love how you take things too far, its really the primary reason i watch your channel but there are a multitude of channels with a lot of similar topics and i know if you went a bit heavier on the funny there'd never be a reason to go somewhere else, ya know..?

[@Tzuseiji]

All, and I mean ALL great points... until you have to factor in ESG. This is more than just a cycle or phase. It's a shift more important than just making a franchise. It's political.

[@redbarchetta8782]

I loved last years Moon Night and Werewolf by Night so a few duds isn't worrying me.

[@DavidWegley]

Awesome as always! Have a thought on an idea for a video or even a series of videos. What about a status update on all the heroes and villains in the MCU currently. Where is everyone? Who’s around? Who’s retired? Who’s dead? Would not be an easy list but could be interesting to look at. 😊

[@Snow_Piercer]

The MCU was due for a few flops but just like in this video, I think this will help the MCU in the long run. The MCU makes too much money for Disney to give up on so soon, they just need to focus on quality over quantity, pay their actors and writers, and let the actual creatives handle the reigns instead of execs who haven't even seen a comic book.

[@CalicoEvrywerigo]

To be honest, after Burton's Batman, the Roger Corman Fantastic 4 in the 90s was absolutely doomed because it looked like Adam West 30 years too late. Roger literally could have made that film in the 60s and 70s and it would have still been fresh

[@theoldeastern]

Pretty sure it was dead when they decided to keep going after Endgame. Pour a bunch of time and money into new characters but forget entirely about developing said characters in literally any way other than one dimension. Iron man worked because of the development of Tony. The entire saga revolves around his character and his character arc. Which character are we supposed to care about right now? Ikaris? Sersi? Is it the new Hawkeye? Or how about the new new Thor… Just develop any character-literally anyone.

[@sayathedog8171]

Secret Invasion is actually really good. It didn't deserve to flop, And it honestly feels like the old MCU, It's more dark and serious. I wish Secret Invasion had 88% and She-Hulk had 55%

[@spamwise249]

I'm for believing something you like should have a higher rating, but you don't need to do so by attacking something you didn't. Let people enjoy the things they like.

[@sayathedog8171]

@@spamwise249I respect opinions, Don't worry.

[@mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317]

Some people might like the tone but the problem with the series when it comes to storyline and direction. It's really poor considering the massive budget of this series alone

[@stevenecarrier]

All they need to do is put one show between each film- that connects directly into the next feature. It’s called SYNERGY.

[@Xylord79]

I think Marvel Studios' biggest mistake is when phase 4 and 5 started being a less connected MCU. In phase 1-3, each film gave a sense of a linear, connected universe with easter eggs, foreshadowing, cameos, and mid credits scenes that hinted of what was to come. This is more important than people think. It gave us an exciting sense of what possibilities were to come and ignited lots of discussion. Starting in phase 4, this went away. Films and TV shows are more isolated and have many unresolved side stories. Marvel has said they wanted to introduce new characters and stories, which is fine. But it should have been done in a more MCU connected style so fans could continue that discussion and theory-crafting. Also, side point... I totally agree the exec interference (*cough* Bob Chapek *cough), played a huge role in the current issues. Because of the increased workload of Disney+, which Chapek was pushing for, some VPs like Victoria Alonzo, former head of VFX, were pressured into going quicker, which shifted tremendous pressure on third parties that Marvel worked with for VFX, which led to the reported complaints about those workers being overworked and not given enough time.

[@Zynnix]

I mean they're definitely still foreshadowing stuff, it's just the teases are further down the line. Shan-Chi's ending was clearly connected to whatever is going to happen in the Marvels, Spider-Man setup an MCU symbiote that we'll see god knows when, Eternals teases Black Knight and Blade which is really far out, Dr Strange keeps flirting with the idea of Wiccan and Speed coming but they're still kids, Thor L&T sets up Knull kind of, Black Panther 2 teased Ironheart, Ant-Man gave us a first look at Kang and Guardians 3 sets up the new Guardians team who we'll see god knows when. And that's only the movies. They're not teasing the direct next thing, but they are still teasing exciting things if you've read the comics and know what sort of storyline they are setting up. I think if anything the failing with phase 4 and 5 is the lack of unity between the actors. Putting just two big avengers movies at the end of phase six was a problem. There should have been one at the end of phase 4 where we see some of these new characters connect and meet up. Everyone just exists inside their own streams right now and everything feels so isolated compared to the cohesion of the first three phases. We still theoretically have this Avengers team that exists, but we haven't seen them interact in so long now.

[@Xylord79]

Yes there are tidbit storylines they've planted but the current phases are way less linears. There's too many open stories so far. Shang-Chi did setup something but we still don't know what. Avengers Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars are supposed to close out the multiverse saga. But where's there just hasn't been that much build up to establish, not only Kang as a big bad, but also the Avengers roster and any mid-level or side conflicts. The connected storytelling is definitely not as polished as the Infinity Saga was.@@Zynnix

[@SurlockGnomez]

Supporting the writers strike after pointing out one of the reasons of MCU's success was not having a script seems odd. Unless the writers were so good they were able make things up on the day; in which case sure I'd be with them. However, my pessimistic/realistic self aims towards thinking when they were given the chance to write things ahead of time we ended up with the post end-game failures. I think the only exception to post end-game failures on the writing front was Loki. As such I would not support their strike after they did such a terrible job with what would be an unlimited budget compared to normal TV shows; $212 million for Secret Invasion. The MCU will die unless they either go back to purely films or do whatever they did with Loki. Have the writers be from outside of America and thus away from the brown envelope laced unions that have caused these problems. One benefit Covid had (which has been used as an excuse for a lot of failings) was enabling/training people to remote work on projects. So having writers in different countries and/or time zones wouldn't be the issue it would have been pre-Covid.

[@Lordtrainman]

Crazy how KZbin’s can just sell light pharmaceuticals …. Worrying

[@_TheViewer_]

Nah, AM3: They said it’s dead, GotG3: they said it’s safed, SI: they say it’s dead. It’ll stay as the constant that it is and will continue, shapeshifters will love-hate anyway, depending on the product.

[@vineetdesai6396]

Well, marvel better stop this one good movie then one shit movie mindset and start delivering then.

[@fxsupermaster]

Superhero movies in general have been through that since they were made. Good adaptation, then bad one, then good one, then bad one, over and over again. Like when they went from keatons batman to clooney then bale.

[@_TheViewer_]

@@vineetdesai6396 I see you, but box office wise it would be MoM:Profit, Wakanda:Profit, AM3: 24 Mill from breaking even, not that big of a flop GotG3:Profit SI:disliked So yeah. By now it happened one time like this, looking at it subjectively might seem otherwise

[@_TheViewer_]

@@fxsupermaster I see you too, that’s correct. I mean Phase 1-3 wasn’t always perfect, but I love it the way it is, same with this saga. Even when I watched she-hulk and thor4 (that’s my less good options so far) I had moments were I had fun. Depends on writer/director as well Doh

[@vineetdesai6396]

@@_TheViewer_ Fast and furious, Harry potter, Star Wars and the shitty Disney remakes were all rulers of the box office too and what happened to them? Fast and furious and Harry Potter and star Wars (Fantastic beasts couldnt even make profit) are irrelevant, and with the Little mermaid Flopping it's only a matter of time the others join and as for the current phase and phase 1-3 atleast the earlier phases had good quality, good or competent writing and good character development and had the advantage of being in a time when superhero movies were at their peak.

[@jessmith7324]

There can be franchise killers, but a big factor in the ones that made it that you mentioned was time. Seems like if you let enough time go by the hostility dies down enough that you can then reinvent. But if you keep cramming in 'reminders' that just pushes that back

[@fd502]

I actually agree I want a break and I’m taking one regardless of whether or not Marvel and DC keeps giving shows. See I don’t have to watch and at this point I’m not going to.

[@rjbrando9616]

Great perspectives. I'm holding hope this was the wake-up call era Disney needed to get their hands out of Marvel's way

[@ashkm3726]

You are the best!!! Amazing content said and done perfectly. Exploring everything and keeping everything interesting. That is why watch screen crush people!!!!

[@KeytarArgonian]

The *ONLY* reason Captain Marvel made a bil was because it was sandwiched between Infinity war and Endgame. Way to put a multi failed comic character into the mix, and make the character fail in the MCU too. There is a reason Captain Marvel 2 was renamed.

[@limelightcapital7958]

Hindsight is 20/20, I'm hoping that down the line we can look back at phase 4-6 and everything connects.

[@icedtea5433]

I think a problem that no one talks about is the fact that I can't go see marvel movies with my friends anymore. It's always, " I have not seen any of the shows and none of the new movies, I can't watch this one"

[@marshsundeen]

Encourage them to start watching

[@jeffaltier5582]

I tend to agree. My biggest gripe is the stories are not self-contained. You have to watch movies and shows to understand what's going on in the movie you're watching. I didn't need to see every movie in the MCU to enjoy Black Panther. It stands by itself. But now (for example) I can't properly understand Quantumania without first seeing Loki and even Multiverse of Madness.

[@JayRome95]

I personally wouldn't recommend my friends to watch most of them tbh 😅

[@helenewilson1382]

It's hard to see the third film of any trilogy and feel connected. But Shang-Chi was the first film, and also The Eternals. They're both good films to see, if your friends want to jump in at the beginning of a franchise.

[@vernfrenzel7824]

Very insightful video Ryan. I appreciate it. I also love Doug. So good with his gimmicks.

[@tattedupluv]

You're not alone Ryan! I dig Quantumania as well. 😊

[@saitothelegend]

Glad someone said it MoM and LnT were GOOD movies, they weren’t as good as NWH but they were definitely worth their entry. Secret Invasion felt like a bit of a waste and She Hulk was really let down by its CGI and finale. They really need to focus on quality instead of just pushing out content. Glad the VFX is unionizing, should help with the CGI quality.

[@madisonwhovian943]

Great video! The MCU is definitely not dead. As you said there's so much story potential they can explore in time. They're slowly starting to pump the brakes too so they can focus on quality over quantity, as Bob Iger recently said. There have been duds recently but each project has good aspects. Like with Star Wars, people will watch what they like and skip out on what they don't.

[@gameboyboyle8303]

This is the best video you’ve ever done (and I love your videos). It’s such an excellent critical analysis not only of the MCU, but all movies, franchises, and things we enjoy. Top tier stuff!

[@wokedragon3211]

Why does it seem whenever the MCU uses a show that could set up so much for the future everyone cries and complains instead of looking at the future as a whole???

[@Dxnz]

The quality of the product matters more than the future. Low quality products make people think the future will be the same. Although I really been liking MCU lately, i see where ppl r coming from

[@vineetdesai6396]

The show is garbage. Just cause it's a commercial don't mean we should love itm

[@hectorfigueroa2294]

The show sucked

[@ansonkwong432]

So the shows are 5 hour commercials for future projects, and we should love them?

[@rainydeestar]

Most issues Ive had with shows like these 1) They suck 2) Setting things up is good, but damn so many things ive been set up its overwhelming 3) It still feels disconnected from the rest

[@franckolivier27]

Finally someone who knows what is talking about, I have been repeating myself there is no such a thing as super hero fatigue, Marvel needs to fire it’s current writers and hire better one cause storyline just been poor. Nice video Screencrush

[@tlk777]

I just hope for it to remain popular enough to keep being made, since I have enjoyed pretty much everything in phase 4 to varying amounts. As long as I get to keep enjoying it that's the most important part for me

[@michaelharris7157]

Essentially, the MCU has 5 projects that they need to not miss on: Deadpool 3, Daredevil season 3, Blade, Fantastic 4, and The X-Men. If they miss on these then they might as well pack it up!

[@dariuschisholm7317]

Disney still in charge so they will😂

[@Chriiiss_8]

They already messed up X-men by changing the title to mutants, you know, because of DIVERSITY.

[@J_I_M_M-Y]

The obsession and expectation of the need to go bigger eveytime breaks franchises, seen in the fast series and older james bond. I do not like the endgame movie because of this and like the individual movies and series better. I do not know the comics, and liked most of secret invasion (except over the top end fight), I loved moonknight wherewolf by knight, ms marvel, arrow and love that they continue the Netflix Dardevil serie . It is the expectations and speculatioms that overhype and kill the mood. It is still 100x better tgan any cw soap.

[@aryan5801]

@@dariuschisholm7317 disney was incharged since 2009

[@kashhusain8154]

This is a great video. Seems like a really insightful look at things with Marvel. And the comparisons with franchise killers in other movie series is novel. As is the way you brought in the change in comics from the 60s to the 70s. Probably your best video so far 🙂

[@greyareavisionaries1316]

You are so spot on with Star Wars prequels and pro wrestling. You’re insight is unparalleled and funny 😂

[@josh27021]

The MCU needed a few flops like Secret Invasion to open their damn eyes, and I love the fact we are about to head into a Multiversal War with Kang because there is real potential for something as BIG AS ENDGAME if not EVEN BIGGER !!!!

[@Goneinsane616]

5:50 I STILL GET CHILLS WATCHING IT!! That was such a freaking epic moment!!!!!!!

[@eldeadkilljohnkennedy3946]

Anyone who remembers resident evil six it almost killed the franchise and go for a rough midlife crisis basically it’s like the MCU was going through right now.

[@RYNOtwitch]

my all time favorite moment in cinema. ive never cheered in a movie before but I did with that scene.

[@gregorydefilippis3377]

Ryan, your erudite adroit commentary and summations of and on, not only the MCU (or the cinema industry as a whole) never fail to impress; as they, most often, are an holistic examination of the art of story telling in and across all mediums.

[@amanda6212]

Great analysis! Looking forward to the Barbie/Oppenhiemer video essay. I'm very curious to how folks will react to the Marvels movie. I think this will be the first time D+ TV show lead characters will main cast in a movie.

[@libertyprime2013]

18:05 I think that’d normally be true but I see no signs that Disney is self aware enough to learn from its mistakes

[@libertyprime2013]

18:26 disneys suits believe they’re infallible. They’re making mistakes across the board and rather than be punished they’ve been given bonuses while also performing mass lay offs

[@prvdence]

Soooo true! There are myriads of shoes and movies I don’t watch because of the info overload - I just read smth about them and/or watch videos like yours, explaining what was happening and how it is connected to everything else

[@tennisad-in4002]

Sort of enjoyed SheHulk. There is no huge reveal that you're just trying to wade through to the end. There's fun little banters with the characters. Similar to 80s and 90s TV shows. Don't really mind the bad CGI, cause it is not what the show is about. It's good that it is not like LOKI which I like as well. (The only one currently that I watched again) But more like Jessica Jones and Agents of Shield. Also need to have more Sonya

[@thakvnk1]

Thank you for explaining why I remember only scenes from all of the Marvel & Star Wars (sans Mando 1&2) content I have watched post End Game as opposed to an actual flushed out story. Interesting to hear that they write the scenes and then fill in the story later (and in a hurry). Unfortunately I am bored and tired of the story-less junk and I am staying away from Marvel and Star Wars (and DC) until they start telling compelling stories again.

[@ChrisValera]

I think now it’s a hard task to incorporate all the other teams (Fantastic 4, X-Men) and explain where have they been this whole time.

[@toshtao1]

Be more patient and they will explain it.

[@RuebenY]

I love the “Colton, shut the f*** up” 😂😂😂 It’s just great lmao

[@gr8tbigtreehugger]

...and Colton is so chill about it. 😂

[@maxmeyer9777]

MCU can't be dead until we get fckin Mephisto! 😂

[@KingMK31]

Just like the Eternarls i think Secret invasion was really meant to introduce new things!

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

MCU absolutely not dead it has reached the area of diminished returns. Die hards like myself will keep watching ,but growing the band won't happen again until after the soft reboot following secret wars ,and the x- men.

[@gordondouglas2971]

They need to do two 12 episode seasons (Andor-style) set during The Blip. They could do it super cheap (no superheroes) very street-level, following like a family and a few other individuals, covering the reality of what actually happened during that time. The fact that they've just skipped over all that and just referenced it jokingly, "my cat died" guy from Multiverse, is a disservice to a huge and interesting time period and situation they created. Sure, it could have similarities to other things where people disappear or reappear, but most of those don't cover both. How was the world told what happened? Were there people that blamed the superheroes for failing to stop the blip? What happened when people had moved on from those lost, only for them to reappear? So much interesting stuff just hand waved away.

[@strategy0]

Love it. I agree in spirit and the facts back you up: anticipation is a stronger reward system than satisfied hunger. You hit the nail on the head about the evolving audience. Anticipating and criticizing MCU shows and films is an authentic audience experience. The studios can and should build on that. But the suits can’t get out of the way totally. Too many creatives lose focus or cancel themselves in creative self-doubt. That’s a money pit. And there has to be room for new audiences, and that means the MCU cannot feel like homework. Suits can help with that. They have ADHD too. Blending the established fan base with the new audience is the key. That means more focus on fewer central characters, and simpler tie-ins to the range of events and other characters percolating in the multiverse. Your take on blending (1) great writers writing and (2) studios ready to scale consistently amazing action sequences is the way forward. You’re also right that letting the comrades of anti-capitalism take over is a death sentence. But blending them in critically is a deep well of insight and self-awareness. Core characters and the overarching saga-level writing can take the whole middle class culture that the MCU feeds on down some great pathways, and no one else has the tools and earned social capital to do it. Do it, MCU.

[@badam1814]

Like always, Sxreencrush has some great points. I think it's worth noting that fewer people are interested in some of the more fantastical stuff coming out of or left over in the MCU, ever increasing ticket prices, and the ability to have a cinematic experience at home with good content from a plethora of streaming services are also factors in the decline of movies in general, and the appeal of the MCU specifically. Many people are happy waiting to see a movie at home on their 75" for a much lower cost per movie.

[@JayFingers]

Don’t worry, Ryan, you’re not alone. I liked Quantumania, too.

[@hayestoph]

Ryan, nicely done with the parallels to the evolution of Marvel comics themselves. If you are right about the generations, the films in the 2040s are going to be amazing.

[@kagelynx]

1.Johnathan Majors isn't convicted. 2.Disney promotes real-life political agendas more than they promote their characters' story. That's also why people are exhausted.

[@jackdubz4247]

"Disney promotes real-life political agendas" Care to give us a few examples?

[@kagelynx]

@@jackdubz4247 Why don't you give us a few examples?

[@DoubleA012]

Lol, the Colton cut ins and Ryan’s increasing anger at them are great 😂

[@Beingmeasme]

I thought Falcon was not good and Moon Knight was great.

[@omy8443]

Honestly all this nitpicking is what is killing the MCU.

[@Mr.Overhill]

Touche, dude. This is one of your best. Thanks for keeping us sharp.

[@FrankJamesBailey]

QUESTION: If Screen Crush supports the strike why do they still talk about the new movies and TV shows? Isn't that crossing the picket lines?

[@gr8tbigtreehugger]

Talking about is not necessarily promoting - no enticements for struck projects. Can also talk about completed works - just not in production.

[@Makhaviel]

Dude, you just don't get it, Comics are NOT a genre, they are a different media. There are drama, satire, fantasy, horror, comedy, western, mystery, action, war comics... Claiming they are a genre is as dumb as claiming books are a genre.

[@blaineisanerd]

Ryan! You’re effin brilliant, dude! Keep the killer analyses and commentary comin!

[@BAAT4103]

Great analysis... reinvention is never a bad thing... stagnation is... awesome work Ryan

[@Cvmpbell]

This is a really beautifully written video… y’all killed this one

[@LeoChaseTheMythMaster]

MoM and Quantumania were very good in my opinion.

[@senselessbabbledotcom]

I think this may be one of your very best essays. Well done.

[@jimdoe9827]

Hey @ScreenCrush, I've got a theory for where Disney is going. In Loki, the sacred timeline is a loop, a loop essentially are two ends merging together, with one being the past's beginning and the other the future's conclusion meeting in the present. The future's conclusion is the killing of He-Who-Remains in Loki. With his death the "future creation" of the sacred timeline is allowed to unravel. But what actually unravels the timeline? I think the second event is the "death" of Kang the Conqueror in Ant-Man 3 (which are concurrent I suppose, since both events take place outside of the flow of time). Kang is flung within the possibility field where all his time-traveling variants are formed and escape into the multiverse, "fraying" the timeline with concurrent invasions of multiple points in time and acting as the precursor, or, the past's beginning.

[@jamiebanner3000]

The Incredible Hulk with Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno was a changing point of superheroes in my opinion. It was the first superhero live action to be serious, elements of darkness, serious storytelling. Dealing with real life issues. Drugs, alcohol, money, gangs, murder, people with disabilities, government, and more... No other superhero really dealt with this stuff.. People credit Reeve Superman and for cinematic purpose I agree. But Superman was still very light for children. And never really changed the directions. Incredible Hulk was the one that changed the direction. Showing that superheroes can be serious and dark and deal with real life issues and situations. We never saw anything like that from another superhero until keaton's Batman. Where the Joker did murder people. And had some small elements of real life issues. The Incredible Hulk to me was the first real dark superhero, that span later darker superheroes. No one should ever tell me that Batman was the first dark superhero. It was the Hulk.

[@MrGlenbw]

"Let the past die, KILL IT if you HAVE TO." Despite the quote's questionable implications, Kylo Ren's right; the MCU has become incredibly unwieldy and created too many continuity problems, not to mention unsatisfying setups and revelations (Rava is Rhodey all along during Endgame? Urrgh...) The only way to save this struggling universe from itself is to get rid of all the mess since 2008 and start anew, probably with Secret Wars.

[@julianlora_]

The MCU needs to be cohesive again. More properties that don't feel connected by much has been one of its downfall. Also, they started more projects but did not expand their production capacity, or at least not enough to match the projects, so everything don't feel and look as polished anymore. There's no superhero fatigue. People just don't like mediocre products.

[@titozdiaz]

The suits need to step away and they need to bring in passionate people who are very immersed in comics for a long time like you Ryan! Because you guys have so much knowledge and grasp of understanding of not only plot but the character and we need to remember there can be stories told but the character is the heart and it’s what will always translate! Making movies and shows like Iron Man and WandaVision where it’s so creative and not leaning towards parody or self aware but truly cinematic and full of heart! And there’s heart!!! From everyone on set because it’s something they believe in truly all as a team I think that’s really important than to hire people who are great names but have no knowledge or truly compassion to want to learn and love the work! RYAN THEY NEED YOU

[@gameboyn64]

I don't know why corporate always thinks they have the right answers. Seems like every time corporate decides to get involved things always get worse for everyone else.

[@trevorscott3670]

I cannot agree more with the entire take this man had. We want new and creative. Also Oppenheimer was absolutely amazing.

[@BibleAlivePresentations]

Sir, this is my absolute FAVORITE video of yours ever done. Wisdom. Thank you.

[@vinigressana]

People keep saying that there's no superhero fatigue but I'M fatigued. Couldn't care less about Marvels, about GotG returning, about Thor or skrulls... I'm done, man.

[@emmetkennedy1030]

This was an excellent video Ryan, very entertaining 👍🏻

[@petertomshany]

I will always love the OG animated Clone Wars … they were so much fun and told so much story in such quick shots. Thanks for including that C-3PO clip 🥂